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Saturday, September 22, 2012

Keegan

Keegan: Dayne Crist’s miss costly

A pass to Kale Pick falls just out of reach on a fourth-and-17 attempt in the second half of KU's 30-23 loss to the Northern Illinois Huskies on Saturday, Sept. 22, 2012, at Huskie Stadium in DeKalb, Ill.

A pass to Kale Pick falls just out of reach on a fourth-and-17 attempt in the second half of KU's 30-23 loss to the Northern Illinois Huskies on Saturday, Sept. 22, 2012, at Huskie Stadium in DeKalb, Ill.

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Another week, another loss, another day Kansas University senior quarterback Dayne Crist found himself answering questions about his role from the wrong end of the game’s pivotal fourth-quarter play.

This time, it wasn’t a Crist turnover, like either the late interception against Rice on an ill-advised 50-50 pass or the fumble late in the TCU game with his team threatening to cut the lead to a touchdown. Instead, it was a play Crist didn’t make, a play that looked so easy, a would-be touchdown pass he didn’t come close to completing in Saturday’s 30-23 loss to Northern Illinois at Huskie Stadium.

On a fourth-and-17 play from the 29 with KU leading by three points with 10 minutes left, senior receiver Kale Pick somehow broke wide-open, too open to miss. Crist missed him by a country mile. It almost looked as if he appeared so startled to see Pick alone that he rushed a panicked throw.

“I don’t know if it caught me off-guard too much,” Crist said after the game. “I mean, it was a little surprising coming up and seeing it because it shouldn’t have been there.”

That response might have revealed a little bit about the fifth-year senior quarterback who transferred to KU for one season after graduating from Notre Dame. Some athletes are better at sticking to the plan. Others perform well on the fly. Statistically one of the nation’s lowest-rated starting quarterbacks, Crist does not do his best work improvising.

On an afternoon when the right side of the offensive line broke down late in the game, Crist was sacked four times. He completed just 10 of 26 passes for 147 yards. On the season, he has a low completion percentage of 50.5, has thrown two touchdown passes and four interceptions.

With one-third of the season in the books, I figured the time was ripe to ask the question that had to hang in other heads as Kansas lost a two-possession lead for the second time in three weeks: Is Crist this team’s quarterback throughout the rest of the season, regardless of his performance?

Head coach Charlie Weis answered my question with one of his own: “Is this the quarterback controversy question?”

“Yes,” I answered.

And he answered in such a way as to take the air out of the controversy. He didn’t grow defensive. He didn’t try to blame Crist’s bad plays on others. He gave his honest assessment of the situation.

“I think that when we go back and watch (the game film), if there’s reason to replace the first guy with the second guy, you go ahead and do it,” Weis said. “It doesn’t make any difference what position they play. I think if the second guy were close enough to the first guy, sometimes that decision would be a lot easier, but there is a big separation between the first guy and the second guy.”

The second guy, according to the depth chart, is strong-armed red-shirt freshman Michael Cummings, the third guy sophomore dual-threat Turner Baty, a junior-college transfer.

If either one of them were to get a serious look, the two-week break in the schedule would be the time to make it happen, but Weis doesn’t sound like a coach ready to make a change.

Senior linebacker Anthony McDonald teamed with Crist in high school in Southern California and at Notre Dame.

“I’ve been around him for 10 years,” McDonald said. “I know how he responds. He’s the best quarterback I’ve ever been around.”

One-third of the way into his entire Kansas career, Crist hasn’t resembled someone who would inspire those words, but he hasn’t run out of chances.

In the second half, when the protection broke down, particularly on the right side of the line, Crist completed four of 15 passes for 39 yards and was sacked three times. Nobody would have remembered those misfires had Crist hit Pick on a play that would have given Kansas a 10-point lead with 10 minutes remaining.

One less Crist throw against Rice and one better Crist throw in the Northern Illinois game and Kansas might be 3-1 instead of 1-3.

Comments

Doug Cramer 2 years ago

Tom - excellent job with asking that question. It needed to be asked.

Crist is big and has a great physical body to be a QB. But he just doesn't get it done...and he won't get it done.

Let's be honest here...we're not going to a bowl game. Lets get either Cummings or Baty some time behind center.

One last item...I don't believe Coach when he says that Crist is that much better than Cummings or Baty. I just don't buy that one bit.

Hey Ralster - you on board with bringing back Mangino yet ? LOL

Jim Erickson 2 years ago

There's a difference between giving up on this season (which realistically should have been done after Rice) and giving up on this Coach. Mangino won 2 games his first year an inherited a mess as well. Weis has shown all the signs that he will do well. It just isn't meant to be this year. We should be 3-1.

dylans 2 years ago

Yeah, but if a receiver other than Pick could catch something other than a cold maybe Crist would look a little better.

Jim Erickson 2 years ago

dylans... I agree but at the same time the receivers are virtually the same (if not a little better with experience and Patterson added) as when Webb was here. Crist is playing pretty bad. He is not the only problem but he is a problem.

hawk316 2 years ago

I agree, table rock, this was a good article by Mr. Keegan. I found the quote by McDonald very interesting...

“I’ve been around him for 10 years,” McDonald said. “I know how he responds. He’s the best quarterback I’ve ever been around.”

We haven't seen this yet from Crist, but maybe there's something there that hasn't come to the surface yet. Let's hope we see it soon.

rockchalkfox 2 years ago

It's likely more probable that McDonald has a lifetime of experience with sub par quarterbacks.

TexasHawk44 2 years ago

Crist has been a complete dud. No point in playing him at this point. We can't beat a drum right now, and he is gone after this year. Let others take the reps. A loss will still be a loss.

Jayhawk1116 2 years ago

In the article about Turzilli, Weis said something to the effect of "As a player, you can't be afraid to take the starting spot from a senior". My question is will Charlie be too afraid to take the starting spot from Crist? I expect he'll keep him until midway through the 4th quarter of the K-State game when we're down 52-6 and Crist has thrown 3 picks and fumbled twice. But then start him the next game. I think you gotta heed your own advice, coach.

Mr_C 2 years ago

I don't know how good he looks at practice, but he's a total dud at game speed. Slow reads, slow AND poor decisions, missed throws, and the only person in the stadium who is slower on his feet than I am. Sorry Charlie, he's gotta go.

We have nothing to gain by continuing to play him, but we do have other players that could use the reps. And, let's face it, he has nothing to gain by continuing to start. His dream of playing in the NFL is just a joke. Let's try to win, or at least try to get a QB ready to win next year. This guy has pretty much killed this season. The competition only gets better as the season progresses... Crist hasn't improved much at all, and shows no signs of turning that around.

Pitthawk34 2 years ago

Lets be honest KU should not be a safe haven for that for a golden dome ex QB. That beimng said it was nit like we were going to be good anyway so hope for the best and maybe pullt out one more win and cross your fingers for the next 2 years. I like Charlie so much better than you who. Im just glad people are pissed because 15 years ago no one would care. That philosophy is what lead to our current day issues...past AD's not giving a you know what.

jhox 2 years ago

Don't fret over the Big 12's future. The new TV deal is for 13 years and includes a grant of rights provision that make it nearly impossible (financially) for a school to leave the conference. The rich programs might be able to walk away from a 5 year grant of rights deal, but even Texas can't afford to walk away from a 13 year grant of rights. The Big 12's future should be solid for at least the next 8 to 10 years.

riverdrifter 2 years ago

Collge version of Matt Cassel. Can't play. We'll see if Charlie can admit his mistake and move on. I have my doubts.

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

Didn't CW get Cassel to the pro-bowl? Not following the reasoning here.

milehighhawk 2 years ago

The Chiefs won despite Matt Cassel, not because of him.

If he could throw a decent ball, Dexter McCluster's elbow would be fine.

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

Two things even more telling than the over throw toward Pick were the 2 balls thrown completely behind the TE on a little cross in front of the LB's - the first time with Ragone and the second time with Mundine. That should be the easiest thrown known to man with no one even close either, and Dayne's not making the throw. Are we really supposed to believe that the other QB's would be completing less than 50% of their passes? Maybe they don't know the playbook as well, but blind squirrels can practically cplete as many passes.

Along those lines is point number 2: We were at our best in DeKalb when we were runing the Jayhawk. In our case, it is even like playing a man short, because Dayne isn't a decoy for anything. Are we really supposed to believe that Christian is the only player that can run the Jayhawk package? (No.) Let Cummings or Baty run that package, and maybe throw a pass out of it to the 11th man than really is a threat to catch the pass.

Sorry, I'm not buying the country mile line.

april28 2 years ago

The two misses to the tight ends were just as damaging...did you see the way the receivers looked? Totally frustrated. Plus he didn't throw to a wide open tackle release in the end zone earlier in the game.

Has anyone noticed his release? Funky.

Try and tell me that the second guy isn't even close and I'll start to have some credibility concerns with the head coach.

Dirk Medema 2 years ago

After a 1st and 10 at the NIU 22 with over 10 minutes in the game and a tie score, we ran 11 of 13 pass plays inthe last 4 series to end the game. Last week, we were told it was because we were SO far behind (2 scores with a quarter and a half to play), but that is definitely not the case this week, and the 30% completion rate to end the game is even worse than last week.

BringBackMark 2 years ago

At the risk of being blasted for putting too much on Crist, the bottom line is this guys a 5th year senior transfer. If he was a true freshman, red-shirt freshman, sophomore, or maybe even a juco transfer, I'd say stay with him and work the kinks out. The reality is that we just blew our last chance for a win. Crist is gone after this season. We've got, what was a highly touted duel threat QB. sitting on the bench in Michael Cummings. Even if he's not the future starter, we might as well groom him as a backup.

Weis is going to lose this team after about 3 butt kickings in the next 3 games. That's understandable since the defense, and most of the offense, has played well enough to win at least 3 games if not all 4.

I remember a game in 2006 when an unknown true freshman named Todd Reesing came in late in the Colorado game and led KU to a surprise win in the 4th quarter. He played in several games the rest of that year and was less than impressive. The next year....well you know.

Yes the defense had breakdowns, and yes, the offensive line had breakdowns. Bottom line is our 5th year senior captain had ample opportunity to make the plays necessary to win at least two of the last three, if not all three. I'm tired of it and I think all fans should be. It's time to look to the future and start building not patching.

JakeBarnes 2 years ago

Please refrain from mentioning Reesing or Hadl's names. I started crying. Nostalgia is depressing.

Steve Reigle 2 years ago

Following the Orange Bowl season, Mangino went 8-5 and then 5-7. A downward spiral. An Orange Bowl win triggers the halo syndrome but let's not put on the blinders. Mangino's teams were headed downhill there at the end. Gill took it to a new low. Weis has to rebuild. Remember that Mangino's first season at KU was 2-10. He was rebuilding. Glen Mason's first season was 1-10. Again, rebuilding. It takes time. Weis deserves a few years to put it all together. We have big holes, yet, but the improvement is there to be seen. Just have to take off those blinders to see it.

Philip Garver 2 years ago

No one is saying get rid of Weis. I believe The KU fans have all shown a willingness to be be patient with our coaching staff.

NikeCortez 2 years ago

Please dont ever get rid of Weis.

Displayhawk 2 years ago

I think we can all agree that if Turner Gill were still the head coach, we would have lost by more than 7 points to a very good Northern Illinois team. That being said, their 2-star quarterback outplayed our 5-star quarterback! But not all of this loss is on Crist! With the exception of Kale Pick, why can't the rest of our receivers get separation and get open???

JakeBarnes 2 years ago

To KU coaches and QB. Sometimes you have a problem, sometimes you are the problem. KU needs to burn its playbook and get one geared to a modestly slow football team with a mediocre QB. It also needs a place kicker and special teams discipline. The new playbook needs to develop genuine deception plays. The flea flicker is something Amos Alonzo Stagg invented isn't it??????

If anyone saw any improvement this game from the last game please let me know. I will appreciate it.

nuleafjhawk 2 years ago

Wow. Where to start? This article is just plumb full of kindling ..... we'll just take them in the order that they appear:

"Statistically one of the nation’s lowest-rated starting quarterbacks, Crist does not do his best work improvising."

* No need for the word "Statistically". Or " Improvising ".

(Regarding Weis) He didn’t try to blame Crist’s bad plays on others. He gave his honest assessment of the situation. “I think that when we go back and watch (the game film), if there’s reason to replace the first guy with the second guy, you go ahead and do it,” Weis said.

  • If the second guy is worse than the first guy, hand him an armful of towels or a tray full of Gatorade cups because he shouldn't be in uniform.

"I’ve been around him for 10 years,” McDonald said. “I know how he responds. He’s the best quarterback I’ve ever been around.”

  • Dear Lord, THINK before you talk Anthony. Or else hang around better quarterbacks.

okiedave 2 years ago

Nuleadjhawk, I really wish you had not procrastinated in sending your resume in after Gill was fired. As I recall, you were willing to work for a little less annual salary than Weis.

nuleafjhawk 2 years ago

lol - good memory okiedave!

I'm still available for a pretty reasonable fee. I would imagine a lot of other heart-broken Jayhawk fans are available as well.

billhawk 2 years ago

I'm not sure what controversy there is. If you don't have a chance at the playoffs (bowl game) don't you give the quarterback that has the potential to help the team next year a shot?

I remember Mangino finally giving Reesing his shot and look how well that turned out. Wasn't Joe Montana the third string quarterback at Notre Dame?

Mike Barnhart 2 years ago

Great point!

Landing Crist was an excellent OFF SEASON move. It gave the program promise, it gave the team leadership and it gave the fans hope. Now it's time to move on!

Charlie can sleep well at night knowing he gave Crist a chance at redemption but it just didn't work out. EVERYTHING ELSE, besides the kicking game, has improved. Hey, maybe Crist can kick and punt!!!

ShockHawk10 2 years ago

This is a great post! Cut and paste this to your e-mail account and deliver it to HCCW marked HIGH PRIORITY! Crist has served his purpose, and it's time to move forward. There is no reason that Crist cannot be a leader during practice or on the sidelines during games. With no NFL future on the horizon, Crist could consider coaching beginning immediately.

AirCapJay 2 years ago

Great point. Crist could be used like a coach to help Heaps get ready for next year with Weis's playbook. He can be a great help at practice's.

billhawk 2 years ago

Yes, our kicking game is dreadful.

ShockHawk10 2 years ago

To be fair, our current administration had nothing to do with the firing of Mangino and the hiring of Gill. However, your point is well taken. How Lew Perkins is not in federal prison is beyond me. Give ADSZ a chance before you completely write him off. He has done some good things in his short time at KU including the Weis hire. This hire energized our fan base and gave us something to look forward to instead of dread. We are just a few plays from being 3-1 or 4-0. Most of the blame for our 1-3 record falls on Crist and some suspect game planning by HCCW. However, had Crist made the plays, we are easily sitting at 3-1 heading into Manhattan.

jhawkln 2 years ago

NJ I totally agree, the KSU game will be Crist's last stand. What sucks is that we are going to waste a bye week and 2 weeks of practices to prepare Crist for his last game as a starter when they should be getting someone else ready. It is really going to suck in 2 weeks. Dayne's stats before he gets yanked at KSU being down 34-7 in the 3rd quarter- 7-20, 95 yds passing, 2 ints. I like Charlie and the direction of KU football, IF he gives up on Crist. I hope he doesn't ride this pony off the end of the pier this year or he will lose a lot of credibility as a 'good ol football coach' who puts the best players on the field. There is no way our backups are that much worse!

ShockHawk10 2 years ago

I think you're right on with your post, however, moving on with a different QB would not be "giving up on Crist". Crist has played his way out of the starting spot, and HCCW would be lauded for his commitment to success by replacing his most beloved son (and yes, I know that his own flesh-and-blood is on his coaching staff).

hotrodm 2 years ago

Split time at quarterback with Crist and Cummings against K-State. Maybe even give Baty a try. Charlie, you need to find out who performs the best at quarterback, you can't find that out with Cummings and Baty sitting on the bench. Maybe a little in game competiton will get Crist going.

AirCapJay 2 years ago

Yes. And don't forget Matthews who can run the ball too.

WindmillGIANT 2 years ago

If our backup QBs are so mobile, why not let them run the wildcat that way they can get game experience, actually add the threat of a pass to the wildcat, and not necessarily immediately pull Crist without seeing what the other guys look like in an actual game. Is it too much extra practice or things to learn for the backups to be able to run the wildcat?

Layne Pierce 2 years ago

If there is little hope for this season, then splitting the time up, is the way to go. If Crist has a great game against KSt, then will you all change your mind. One factor that may be at play is the complexity of Charlie's offense, which he definitely believes in. I recall when Larry Brown was bringing KU basketball back to life, there were lots of people who thought he should play this person, or that person, and the point was, Larry knew where he was going and he had a plan in mind. He was right, the critics were wrong.

This is probably going to play out in that way. Remember, There is already an annointed qb for next year. Perhaps Charlie truly believes that Cummings and Baty have a long way to go in learning the system.

AirCapJay 2 years ago

Charlie's system is designed for pros. We don't have any pros on our team. Charlie needs to realize this and design basic plays for the players he has. When receivers complain about how they can't memorize the routes, you need to tone them down.

Philip Garver 2 years ago

Or maybe those players should pay for their scholarship by doing what by doing what is asked of them. Like learning the routes. C'mon now, they're pass routes. They are not being asked to split an atom.

Steve Corder 2 years ago

We will find out what kind of coach CW is this year. If CW isn't having some doubts today about his QB then I'd be shocked. He' probably wrestling with that bear more than anyone knows.

CO_Hawk 2 years ago

This season is done. Attention now has to turn to how we improve the program down the road. We need to see who will lead this team after Heaps gets his one year. Start rotating Cummings and Baty in with Crist with the hopes one of them can start towards the end of the season.

troutsee 2 years ago

Crist must be benched. The fans are not behind him and surely his teammates must be choking back any demeaning remarks about their QB. It was clear to me that this guy did not have it in the South Dakota State game. Yet, here we are, 3 games later with the same or worse results.

Also, our defense should be ashamed. They folded in the 4th quarter against Rice and they folded again in the 4th quarter last Sat.

Our kickoff teams continue to suck.

In fact, it is hard to find a lot of positives here. It looks like to me, Charlie should spend the next two weeks getting another QB ready to playing and honing the Wildhawk or whatever you want to call it.

Somewhere, Gill and Webb must be smiling. I feel sorry for Crist. But, he is a good example of the Peter principle, a hell of a good high school QB but did/does not have what it takes to play at the college level. Bench him now, Charlie, or this season is down in flames.

hawkmaster 2 years ago

OK, I think we all agree that KU is a much better team than it was the last 2 years, and Weis/Campo are to be credited for that...but its time to take the next step.

Given Weis' unwillingness to change QBs, maybe he is repeating his mistakes at ND - - big ego, inflexible, plays favorites with "his" recruited players.

A number of concern:

1) KU runs the "Jayhawk" offense with Matthews mostly responsible for marching them down the field, then Weis inserts Crist in the red zone and he eventually misses Pick on the wide open pass in the end zone. Why not give Mathews and the Jayhawk offensive scheme a chance in the red zone?

2) Its 1/3 into the season, the excuse that Crist is still rusty is not valid. Cris is who is, a very limited almost zero dimensional QB because he can't run or throw, or make good decisions, especially for a 5th year senior. KU had 3rd and a mile to go for a 1st down in the last possession in the game and he tries to throw a 6 yard sideline pass!!

3) I'm not buying the Weis argument that Crist is significantly superior to the 2nd string QB, so that is why he sticks with Crist. First, if these QBs are that bad, what are they doing on KU's roster. Second, I think Weis is afraid that one of these other back-up QBs will look better than Crist, and that will cause everyone to question Weis' judgement.

4) My main last concern. Did the defense finally wear out from being on the field too much in the 4th quarter, or did they just get frustrated with no help from Crist/Weis on the offensive side. At some point, I truly believe that players start to feel there is some favoritism shown to Crist that is not shown to other players, he is Weis' boy, he gets more do-overs and is allowed more excuses for failure. When another player is yanked for missing a tackle, and Crist remains in the line-up losing games, I think it begins to wear on team morale. At what point do you lose the remainder of this team or do they begin to feel that Weis' plays favorites with all of his former ND guys despite their obvious shortcomings?

5) Bill Snyder must be salivating to get a shot at KU in 2 weeks, it won't be close to a fair fight if the status quo continues.

Jason Keller 2 years ago

I don't know why no one is mentioning special teams in any of this... Am I the only one who sees our kicker consistently kicking the ball to about the 10 or 15 yard line, allowing their offense to start at the 35 every time? How can anyone with NFL experience tolerate such utter incompetence.

Right now, there are at least 10 young men in the KU student body who can consistently kick the ball further than what we have now. Hold a tryout and make a guy prove he can kick it into the endzone or close to it dozens of times. From there, evaluate who would be our best shot in making a tackle if it came to that but really who gives a crap about that. Then, give him the scholarship and kick this other guy off the team.

I might get blasted for this because anytime you point at special teams it is usually at only a guy or two but come on people. The kicker we had at my high school was better than this guy. Jesus, I just don't understand how there is no one else on this team who can't kick it to the endzone. I'm not saying I could but then again I didn't get a scholarship for it.

Its funny for me because unlike alot of you, I've played this game. You all talk about Crist's missed throws and other things that look bad but what I can promise you is that as bad as that is, its nothing compared to the kicking situation. When coaches watch our film, they laugh their butt off at our kicking team trying to cover a kick that was received on the 12 yard line. It is far and away more embarassing than Crist missing a couple throws with several D-lineman right on top of him.

Steve Jacob 2 years ago

Anyone nervous about Jack Heaps? Like Crist, billed as a 5-star QB out of high school. Granted he has a full year of practice and two years left, but still I worry, especially when it seems Weis is going the the desperation JUCO route next year.

Ryan Gerstner 2 years ago

It sucks that we're going to be at a significant QB disadvantage in 11 of our 12 games. I don't think there were many that expected that. It's really hard to win when our QB play is so bad. If KU has Jordan Lynch at QB, KU wins this one in a blowout. It sucks when you have midmajors that run circles around us at the QB position. Crist just doesn't have the mental makeup of a winner. I like him as a person, but I've never seen someone panic so much when a guy is wide open. Learn to take a little off the throw and just complete it like Klein does. You don't see Klein throwing rockets on every single pass. Crist is making the game harder than it is.

jayhawk47 2 years ago

If Weis wasn't so stuck on Crist and change QB we might have a chance. Don't know how he ever became a 5 star QB.

David Reynolds 2 years ago

I bought the proverbial cool aid, and the after taste is very bitter. There is a reason Dane Crist is not at not at Notre Dame. It is apparent in his play the last 4 games.

The only question is when will Coach Weis admit Dane is not the great quarterback he was hyped to be. He is not the savior of this team.

Coach Weis is going to have to make a gut wrenching decision regarding Dane.

The only question is, are the reserve quarterbacks any better?

I hate to give up on the Jayhawks, but it is time for the administration & coaching staff to put a product on the field that is worthy of both attendance, continued donations & continued seat purchases in the future.

jayhawkinATL 2 years ago

Time to quit dwelling on Crist's high school laurels!!!

okiedave 2 years ago

If KU can keep it close with the Big XII teams, I will be satisfied with this season. I am just fearful that keeping it close with NIU, Rice and TCU does not necessarily translate well against KSU, OU, TX and OSU. We are going to see what kind of heart this team has in the next couple of weeks.

What troubles me is that in 2013 we will field an inexperienced quarterback. That does not translate well for Weis in 2013.

John Mueller 2 years ago

Listen carefully...

Climb down out of your crib, pick up all your toys, get back in your crib and shove your pacifier in your pie hole.

Night night sleep tight

CHEEZIT 2 years ago

Did anyone notice that Jordan Webb scored the winning touchdown for Colorado to beat Mike Leach's Washington State Cougar's?
Just saying!

bville_hawk 2 years ago

Hey, look everybody, you have to crawl before you can walk. We have been competitive in every game and have been in great position to win 3 or the 4 so far. Our goal this year has to be play hard for 4 quarters and hopefully be competitive on the score board. We are achieving those 2 goals so far. Sure, it is frustrating to lose games when we are leading in the 4th quarter, but that is part of the growing process.

Hopefully before this season is over we can still manage to win a game or 2 that we aren't expected to win. We're close. Don't forget yesterday was on the road to a team that hasn't lost at home in at least a couple years.

A football program is a big ship, it won't turn on a dime, but ours is most assuredly coming around and heading in the right direction.

CHEEZIT 2 years ago

They need to have a walk-on try out for a kicker. Everybody seems to be getting it in the end zone but us. Get somebody from the soccer team!!!

Jason Keller 2 years ago

Dude, 11 posts up I just said exactly the same thing. Have a muther effing tryout!!

Sparko 2 years ago

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Chris Bruning 2 years ago

so much seperation from the 1st guy to the 2nd guy huh? well lets prove it in gametime situations and not practice. Lets see that 2nd guy in a game, maybe Dane performs well in practice and not in games, maybe cummings is ready to play live.

BayPark 2 years ago

I wonder how Cummings feels after hearing that one of the worst quarterbacks in college football is a lot better than he is.

yates33333 2 years ago

How damn old is Bill Snyder? He looks ready to embalmed, and he is still the best coach west of the Mississippi? He ought to re-retire. Preferably before two weeks.

Just a thought. Can't we cancel the K-State game this year due to the forthcoming elections?

danmoore 2 years ago

He can't continue coaching much longer. Curious as to who his replacement will be and if KSU will revert to their old ways. Have to think they will be able to attract a pretty good coach after what Snyder has built.

Dan Harris 2 years ago

"One less Crist throw against Rice and one better Crist throw in the Northern Illinois game and Kansas might be 3-1 instead of 1-3"

If,shouda,could've.candy and nuts...

Crist is not the answer. My 10 year old boy could have made that throw to Pick, hell my grandma could have made that throw! I have waited 4 games to give Crist some time but his time SHOULD be up. We might as well give some of the guys that will be here next year some experience. I sure don't think they could do any worse at this point.

danmoore 2 years ago

Bottom line, the players on opposing teams are better than ours. Give Coach Weis a chance. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Loomer 2 years ago

If Weis is too bull headed to recognize what is working on the field and stay with it to win a game, Rome never will be built.

Andy Tweedy 2 years ago

I drank way too much of Tom and Jesse's Kool-Aid! I'll never do that again!!! But man, this Jake Heaps guy sounds like the second coming of Joe Montana.

I really hope I don't get fooled again...

wildjayhawk 2 years ago

Can't wait for the KU-KST. game, KST- 73, KU 3.

Randy Bombardier 2 years ago

With decent qb play KU could be 3-1. So, if Crist is not making the plays, at what point don't we look at Baty of Cummings? Is Coach afraid of starting next year with a quarterback controversy with Heaps having to beat out one of those two? Surely not. But if that is not the issue, what is? It would be real easy to jump all over this as a fan base but let's hold off. What if there are some five-star quarterback prospects out there watching to see how much investment is given to "the man", that quarterback on which so much depends. What if this is about how much patience and training is given to that guy? What if there are a bunch of potential 5th-year guys watching to see how we treat our 5th-year guys? Ultimately, we have to trust this coach and only after a number of years be able to issue judgement. I said it with Gill, so I will certainly say it with Coach Weiss, give him time. We don't see what he sees. We don't know what he knows.

Savion Havon 2 years ago

I think if Baty or Cummings gets in there and shows and prove there shouldnt be a controversy. Im against handing a starting position to someone it should be play the best at every position regardsless of their class. Notre Dame did it BYU did it as well which is why those guys are here

Steve Jacob 2 years ago

It going to get much worse, KU should get some beat downs in October.

Matthew Pyle 2 years ago

No wonder Crist lost his starting job at Notre Dame. The guy is extremely inaccurate passing; even with time. This is so disappointing.

John Percival 2 years ago

This picture and the look on Cale's face sums-up KU football.

Steve Brown 2 years ago

I am not being funny, dead serious, perhaps a current eye exam is in order. depth perception seems off kilter.

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