TCU defeats Kansas, 20-6

  • 11 a.m., Sept. 15, 2012
  • Memorial Stadium, Lawrence, KS

Saturday, September 15, 2012

Positive takeaway: Jayhawks fall to TCU, but Weis says they’re ‘turning corner’

Kansas quarterback Dayne Crist fumbles as he is hit by several TCU defenders on the Jayhawks' last drive of the fourth quarter, Saturday, Sept. 15, 2012 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas quarterback Dayne Crist fumbles as he is hit by several TCU defenders on the Jayhawks' last drive of the fourth quarter, Saturday, Sept. 15, 2012 at Memorial Stadium.



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When quarterback Dayne Crist fumbled into the end zone from the three-yard line on Kansas University’s final offensive play of Saturday’s 20-6 loss to TCU, the turnover put an end to KU’s chances, and the game was all but over.

But with 1:14 to play and TCU quarterback Casey Pachall kneeling out the clock, KU coach Charlie Weis called timeout. As officials signaled to stop the clock, every player on the KU sideline hurried to huddle around Weis for one final message.

It had nothing to do with the next play.

“It was a teaching moment about turning the corner,” Weis said. “That was not to prolong the game. That was to let ’em know, ‘Hey, everyone came in here today thinking you were gonna get the crap kicked out you. That didn’t turn out that way, did it?’”

Not by a long shot, as the Kansas defense, in front of a crowd of 43,867, forced four TCU turnovers and played one of its best all-around games in years.

Senior safety Bradley McDougald caused two fumbles, and senior defensive end Toben Opurum forced one and recovered another as the new-look KU defense improved its turnover total to 12 for the season and took points away from the Frogs in the process. Two of KU’s takeaways came on TCU’s first two drives, with one coming off of a bad snap at the KU nine-yard line and the other at the KU 23, where Opurum pounced on a ball that came loose after a McDougald sack.

“A great defense is an offense’s best friend,” Crist said. “Our defense played great today.”

The offense did not. Despite tallying 380 yards, including 303 in the passing game, the Jayhawks managed just three points off of those early turnovers and never really got going. The 3-0 lead did not last long, as TCU intercepted Crist on the first play after its second turnover and marched 52 yards in four plays to take a 7-3 lead on an eight-yard TD pass from Pachall to Brandon Carter.

After cutting the Frogs’ lead to 7-6 with a 10-play drive that reached the TCU eight-yard line but stalled because of a holding penalty, KU watched TCU answer with an eight-play drive of its own to set the halftime margin at 10-6 in favor of the Frogs.

KU (1-2 overall, 0-1 Big 12) received the opening kickoff of the second half but quickly went three-and-out and struggled throughout the rest of the day to convert on third down and in the red zone.

This time, it wasn’t all Crist. His receivers dropped balls and misread coverages, and the running game, which had been great all year and was solid in the first half, finished with 77 yards on 26 attempts.

That inspired Weis to go to the air more often in the second half.

“To have a chance at winning (against TCU), you know you’re gonna have to throw the ball,” Weis said. “And we just have to do it better.”

While the Jayhawks struggled with three-and-outs and missed opportunities, the Frogs continued to move up and down the field. Each time, however, the Kansas defense stiffened the closer the Frogs got to the end zone.

TCU’s second touchdown, which came with 5:12 to play in the third quarter, came on a third-and-six. The Frogs’ final score, a 27-yard field goal on their next possession, came after Opurum (six tackles, one pass break-up, one QB hurry) batted down a third-down screen pass. In addition, TCU’s other fumbles came inside KU’s 10-yard line, first with Pachall heading into the end zone and, later, when tailback Matthew Tucker lost the ball at the KU seven.

“The old bend-but-don’t-break mentality … you can gain a lot of confidence (from that),” Weis said. “Because now, every time a team gets down there, they’re expecting to make a play on defense to turn the ball over.”

Opurum said the defense’s big day was a result of hard work and pride from each player.

“Really, I think it just speaks to the character of our defense,” he said. “We see what everyone says. We see that people don’t respect us, and people pick us to lose 44-21 and everything, but we’ve put in way too much to be losing close games like this. This isn’t the Kansas of last year or the year before. We’ve gotta be able to finish games. We can only finish close (so) many times. We’ve gotta turn the corner at some point.”

The way Weis saw it, that may have happened Saturday. Despite entering its Big 12 opener as a 26-point underdog and on the heels of a stunning home loss to Rice, Weis’ squad competed for 60 minutes with one of the top teams in the league.

“A lot of people, me included, wanted to see what Kansas was gonna do in a game like this,” Weis said. “And I think you saw how hard we played for the whole game. I actually feel worse about this loss than I do about last week’s loss because you could see it meant so much. They want to take that step forward, they don’t want to take a step back. They lost the game. I wouldn’t say they took a step back.”

Added defensive end Josh Williams: “We didn’t fold. We didn’t quit. We’re making steps forward. I wouldn’t say it’s satisfaction, because we didn’t win the game.”

Call it progress. Call it a step in the right direction. Call it impressive, even. But don’t call it a moral victory.

“That doesn’t exist,” Weis said. “There’s no such thing. There’s nothing ever good about a loss.”


martyks 1 year, 6 months ago

4th Quarter problems will never go away while CW coaches the Jayhawks. The biggest problem is conditioning. He just doesn't get the team in shape for four quarters. He never has. He never will.


Micky Baker 1 year, 7 months ago

I see a lot of negative comments from a lot of people that don't seem to get it. Yes Dayne Crist made some mistakes, but he is playing as freshman from the experience point of view.

He made some real good passes our guys dropped. Omigie dropped one, Turzelli dropped one, Breshears couldn't get open at all. Patterson gave an all out individual effort, but he lacks size. He'd be best used in the slot and be the short guy, running crossing routes that always come wide open. But Crist made some bad decisions. He made some bad passes, and he didn't get rid of the ball a couple of times when he should have.

Crist was not the reason we lost the game though.


Mike Bratisax 1 year, 7 months ago

A weis man is superior to any insults which can be put upon him, and the best reply to unseemly behavior is patience and moderation.


Ralster Jayhawk 1 year, 7 months ago

Focusing on the positive: I see Dayne Crist standing tall in the pocket and NOT bailing out on the play too early. Obviously this puts him at bigger risk of someone falling in on his knees, but he is trying. Some of the secondary reads have been open--easily shown on gamefilm. I will say also that Dayne Crist, 5th yr senior, is about as motivated to succeed as any college QB possibly could be (would anyone argue otherwise?). Look at how close we got to 2 touchdowns: Crist's fumble (no different than Pachall's or Jackson's from TCU)...and that deep pass to Turzilli that went thru both his open hands--that would have set up 1st & goal at the 5. We also saw Dayne make 3 attempts to run with the ball. Gotta be versatile as a QB. Even Peyton Manning at his age bolted the pocket vs Pittsburg, when he absolutely had to for a footrace to the 1st down marker, if anyone saw that performance...Keep working with your new team, Dayne! They are all motivated. Excellent job overall by the O-line--receivers gotta get open. Zlatnik is a 1st class pancake chef so the pro-style formations. But pro-style offenses need well-oiled execution...keep sawin' wood. RCJH


martyks 1 year, 7 months ago

I have watched Crist since he started at Notre Dame, and I have to say, the fumble into the endzone was his basic M.O. There was a reason Kelly gave up on him and went to someone with much lesser skills in Tommy Rees. Crist is an accident waiting to happen from the 10 yard line in... and it looks like he always will be.


texashawk10 1 year, 7 months ago

Crist did play a better game yesterday than he has in the other games this year. He finally made an accurate throw into the endzone, hit DJ Beshears in the hands, and Beshears dropped it. He hit a couple of home run balls yesterday which he had yet to do this year. Not saying Crist played a great game because he still threw a really bad pick and overthrew way too many deep passes (at least he's overthrowing everyone on those instead of underthrowing and having them picked off), and he does hold on longer than he should when Pierson or Cox are available as dump offs. Crist has been getting better each week and TCU is one of the best defenses KU will face all year. As long as he keeps getting better each week and the defense keeps up creating turnovers (3 more as the bad snap was all on TCU), KU will upset someone significantly better than they are at this point. I can definitely see 3-4 more wins in this team as NIU hasn't been very impressive so far, Baylor struggled against Sam Houston St. until depth entered the picture and KU was competitive with ISU under Gill in Ames the last two years. Throw in an upset against a good team and this team will have a ton of confidence when Heaps takes the reigns next year.


Jim Jackson 1 year, 7 months ago

Crist looked better.

Students need to show up.

D looked great.

Steady improvement; we;re seeing it.

Rock Chalk!


Steve Corder 1 year, 7 months ago

Last year I watched and wondered just how bad can they get. Thirds year I am watching and wondering how much better can they get.

This IS an upgraded team!


Ben Kliewer 1 year, 7 months ago

Kansas is tied with Alabama to lead the NCAA in Turnovers Gained and tied for third place for Turnover Margin. Not bad, considering we set the records for futility on D the last two years. This crazy scheme of hiring HCCW might actually work.


Sparko 1 year, 7 months ago

Big XII officiating still allows other teams to pretty much hold and interfere at will. HCCW needs to scream about some of the call and non-calls in this game. The crowd rightly booed those idiots early and often. There were several critical lapses by the refs and this needs to be corrected or punished. They seem to call preemptive holds and leg whips any time KU threatens to score a TD. Keegan mentions the fumble at the end--but the refs called a phantom leg whip "just in case." On a drop by DJ in the 1st Half, they did the same thing. Meaning even if Kansas scored those TDs they would have been called back. And then there was the most blatant hold ever on the 34-yard back-breaker in the second half. TCU did not even pretend to look for the ball on many pass defense plays. This kind of official disrespect hurts the team's chances going forward. The Baylor game last year was pretty similar. . .


1timbob 1 year, 7 months ago

BTW-Crist looks like he's in control of the offense, especially coming out of the huddle, he has the presence of a true leader and demands it back there and that my friends is an awesome sign.


1timbob 1 year, 7 months ago

No way, all you guys are expecting way too much. Crist played great, Weis coached great, the defense played bend but don't break. I don't get it every one of you is saying the defense played great and Crist is the problem but in reality the final score should have been 50-6. The whole team played with heart because of good coaching. You guys expect Crist to go 40-40 and 500 yards and 5 TD's. I'm tired of all these kids acting like they know football and they don't know a thing, you guys are band wagoners. You guys probably think the Chiefs are going to the Super bowl. Just like you guys thought KU was going undefeated. Ku is going in the right direction and has two leaders to start it. I love the pro style offense it will work in this conference!


Layne Pierce 1 year, 7 months ago

The thing that amazes me the most every year on this board is how people lose track of the big picture. We have at best .500 level talent, except for 3 or 4 players. We have a group of people who are used to being losers. That's right. In life you are a winner or a loser, and once you become part of the culture of losing, it is damn hard to get out of it. Mangino did it by being the meanest SOB. And he was informed that was not politically correct. Gill simply did not really address it, and there was absolutely no sign that he was going to. Charlie Weis comes to us from cultures of winning. Now I am willing to give him a chance to develop that culture. I am not after one Orange bowl every fifty years. I want a respectable team with a chance for a bowl every year. Fans should think about this when they leave early. And board pundits should not equate this game or that with a culture. Crist is not Christ, he is a decent QB who will probably have 2 or 3 really great games before the season is over. Receivers must step up, get open and catch the damn ball. Linemen must continue to get better. I predict that unlike Gill's squad, this team will actually improve as the season goes on. One thing to watch for is team development. Mangino was lucky enough to have a few good players. He did not develop many.

As the saying goes, act like your winner, hang around with winners, expect to win, and guess what, you just might be a winner.



troutsee 1 year, 7 months ago

I think there was slight improvement. However, our QB is toooo slow and not accurate enough for us to move the ball consistently. With an immobile college QB, who is high or long on many of his passes, we are going to have trouble scoring all year. Make no mistake. TCU is a good team. Still, our offensive play in the second half was offensive. Also our special teams on KO coverage and returns stink. Very bad decisions made by a veteren player on KO returns in the 3rd Qtr that really hurt us in field position.


Michael Leiker 1 year, 7 months ago

Could have sworn on the Crist fumble that the ball was recovered barely outside of the end zone, then taken back into the end zone, then tried to advance out of the end zone and tackled...I saw a safety.


stanleys 1 year, 7 months ago

so we were supposed to have a strong offense this year with a 5 star QB, we score 6 pts (that's 2 fg's) people and "we're turning the corner"?? OMG. Weis is trying to show-off Crist at the expense of his rb's and his back-up qb's. For what? another loss. Putting Crist on the bench would make Weis look like an a-- but so will 1 win this year especially after all his hype of how much this team improved from spring drills to fall practice. Gill lasted 2 years and I hope Weis makes it 4 but I wouldn't bet the farm on it just sayin' . Being a ku fan for 55 years I'm never gonna give up but that don't mean I won't get fed up. I expected to be 2-1 or with a little luck 3-0 going in to next week's game. My bad


Lynn Stuart 1 year, 7 months ago

I would just like to say, the team did look better and the rest of the big 12 may now know that we dont just lay down any longer, they will have to really fight to beat us. As for crist, the time ittakes him to go through his reads shows him being very rusty, all game I heard how this reciever was open and that one, the o line cant protect forever, alot of really good things came out of this game yes we lost, but we all expected comming into this season it would not be pretty, but we all agreed as longas we could compete, and we are truely beginning to do that, suprises await us for the good.


John Mueller 1 year, 7 months ago

Hold on.

Nobody is happy or impressed.

But, this was our best game this season.

The team is making progress and it is ok to be positive about that development.

I am not a huge fan of the "bend but don't break", but a key component of success in any good defense is creating turnovers. This defense did that yesterday's and deserves some recognition!

Unfortunately, that near sack / 6 yard wounded duck pass turned into a 33 yard gain on a 3rd and 6. Ouch, biggest play of the game. Coulda woulda shoulda, but we were a few plays away from being in this game.

Turzelli looks good! He did some nice things and looks like he can get open. He also dropped a big ball that hit him right in the hands, but, again, some positive developments.

Crist threw some nice balls! He holds onto the ball way too long and has to get comfortable dumping the ball or throwing away, but, we don't have 5 guys who can get open. It ain't easy.

Next week, we should be at worst even from a talent standpoint. The rest of the season, we will be at a talent deficit. Remember what it was like playing in the driveway with your big brother? You didn't win very often, did you? But you either fight or quit.

I thought these guys played hard yesterday and I was glad to cheer by rear off, especially on third down (defense).

We are getting better, that deserves some praise.


Danny Hernandez 1 year, 7 months ago

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Mike Barnhart 1 year, 7 months ago

Despite the fact that our receivers are slow and can't get any separation, this team IS turning the corner. Crist has shaken of some rust, Charlie is adjusting his game plan to back to the college game and Grunnie's guys are playing at a very high level!

Is there a kicker or punter ANYWHERE on campus????

C'mon' Clint Bowen, sound tackling was the pride of the Orange Bowl team. Whatever you were doing in 2008, do it again!!!


RogersState80 1 year, 7 months ago

Im glad everyone is happy and impressed by another loss. Fans that accept losing will never win championships. A start like this at Oklahoma would be a disgrace.


Kevin Kelly 1 year, 7 months ago

Our head coach seems to have things going in the right direction. I'm very hopeful for his future at KU. Our Offensive Co-Ordinator, on the other hand, has a lot to learn. Hopefully the offensive co-ordinator won't take the head coach down by being stubborn. :)

You run for 5 on 1st. You run for 4 on 2nd.


.....this IS the dolphins against the buccaneers....right?


1timbob 1 year, 7 months ago

I don't know what game you guys saw but Crist looked great to me. Threw for 300 yards controlled most of the game and doing it against a traditionally great defense.


Ashwin Rao 1 year, 7 months ago

You know I hear a lot of whining about a lot of things, but that's all Armchair Quaterbacking. I agree that the Gill experiment didn't work out, but we gave him 2 (long) years to prove himself. Let us give Mr. Weis some room to do what he feels will turn around the program. He has brought in toughness in the defense already... He seems to have sold his soul to the QB to bring us some respectability here... So, if it doesn't work out, we may need to wait until next year (after Crist graduates) to recovering in the offense... but I do see a positive movement everywhere... and am relishing it!


RogersState80 1 year, 7 months ago

Thank you again administrators! Another loss. I'm glad we ran Mark Mangino off. Who needs the Orange Bowl anyway?


hawkmaster 1 year, 7 months ago

Quit piling on Crist, after all he is the 114th rated QB in the nation (ESPN only shows 118 QB ratings).

Although some day Crist might be as good as KU's starting QB last year, Jordan Webb now with Colorado, who is rated 101st.

Jordan Lynch, NIU's QB, KU's next stop, is rated 89th.


thehawk 1 year, 7 months ago

I'm sorry everyone, but.......Yes, we did not get blown out,Charlie. But TCU turned it over 4 TIMES in the red zone and missed a field goal, and we still lost by 14 at HOME. This game was right for the picking, and still I never felt like we were going to win at any time. I do think we are better than last year, but come on! Northern Illinois beat Army by 1 point, today, It is time for the Charlie hire and Crist start, to show us SOMETHING!! I am still hanging in there, but it is starting to get old. Sorry, no sugar coating here....


danmoore 1 year, 7 months ago

I am encouraged. The effort is there and the coaching is better but the level of talent is going to let us down. Patience.


nuleafjhawk 1 year, 7 months ago

“To have a chance at winning (against TCU), you know you’re gonna have to throw the ball,” Weis said. “And we just have to do it better.”


TCU has been in the top 10 pass defenses in the nation for the past several years. Our running game has been very good so far. We run for 200+ yards today and we win this game.

Charlie wants to pass because he's been so overtly vocal about how great DC is and he wants to prove he was right.


John Randall 1 year, 7 months ago

The best full 60 minute game since Lew Perkins started his witch hunt.

There is heart and guts on this team, and some talent as well – just not enough to fill all the two-deep positions. Pick and Smith were missed badly, proving the point beyond a doubt.

The progress is continuing, and I still think there are a few more wins (two? three?) in store for this season. Red zone turnovers (one of ours, two of theirs) kept the scoring low and those kind of games can turn on one or two plays - - - with the effort and preparedness shown today, it's going to happen.

It is especially disheartening to see our "skill" players brought down by finger tackles on a regular basis (Pierson included). Really need Sims back, not only to break a few tackles, but to rescue Pierson from the twenty touches a game pace that no one his size can survive for a whole season, however gutsy.

Keep on sawin' wood, Rock Chalk! Go 'Hawks!


offline 1 year, 7 months ago

Thanks, I just hope we're on the right track with Charlie and staff.


wildjayhawk 1 year, 7 months ago

You do have it correct, offline.


offline 1 year, 7 months ago

Well, the team looks a lot better then they did the last two years under spook Gill, thats a plus.


Doug Cramer 1 year, 7 months ago

I'm actually surprised that the defense was able to play as well as they did. Keep it up D !

Crist has got to go. He doesn't have a big play mentality. He lacks confidence...and doesn't have the mental make up to compete at this level. Yep he's big and physically talented...but no mentality to make a big play when it's needed.

Hope Weis starts to consider Cummings or Baty.


Jayhawk470 1 year, 7 months ago

I watched this game from start to finish, and I gotta say, I was impressed by the aggressiveness of the Kansas defense in forcing so many turnovers. They still have a long way to go, however, on the fundamentals of good tackling. I guess bad habits from bygone years can't be broken so quickly.

But there is nothing good to be said about the Kansas offense, especially Dayne Crist. They were just plain bad. How did we not cross the goal line even once? Even when we did, we still screwed it up with the Dayne Crist fumble. Bad showing from the offense. Needs to change quickly, because there are only three home games in the last nine contests of the season.

Still, I think we sent a message to the rest of the Big 12. You may beat us, and you probably will beat us, but we are going to make you fight for a victory over us. We are going to drag you down to our level and take the delight out of beating us. We will not roll over at the first sign of adversity, because we are not the softies we were under Turner Gill.

Try again next week, I guess. Let's go beat Northern Illinois!


Kevin Crook 1 year, 7 months ago

I don't know if it is Crist's decisions or HCW's, but our offense needs to look for success in the short passing game. We need to complete some curls, slants, skinny crosses, etc, and let our receivers make a difference with yards after the catch. It seemed like we either ran it right at them or tried to throw it 30 yards over them. The great quarterbacks are patient and relentless taking what the defense gives. Reesing made a living dumping the ball off to his receivers within 5-8 yards of the line of scrimmage and letting them break tackles. That kept the linebackers honest and opened the run game up even more. Our play calling needs to be re-evaluated.


Cmill1221 1 year, 7 months ago

Why did it feel like we were only looking for the home run ball in the second half? The run game was working, why abandon it? I did like the screan plays and getting Pierson out in space but why did we not run the ball in the 2nd half?


mikehawk 1 year, 7 months ago

So much in sports is mental. All good coaches are psychologists. It is a long season but you can see the mentality changing, and despite not having the depth or the overall talent, they are starting to build it. What you heard from the The Old Ball Coach and the players is truly the foundation of what it takes to build a sustainable program. It won't happen fast enough for those that don't understand what it takes to build a real football program. Let's keep showing up and cheering, staying to the end, and we may eventually have something that rivals the program at TCU that was a losing program for years until they made the right hire and stayed the course.


minnhawk84 1 year, 7 months ago

The defensive reads were there -- the Jayhawks were in the right position much of the game, but they just couldn't get the job done. I think the effort is definitely there, but the pure athletic ability is lower than TCU's, and it showed many times when the tackle was missed or broken. These kids will improve.

   Crist showed us a glimpse of his passing abilities, and I think the receivers are starting to get it figured out as well.  Too many dropped passes, too many times they were tripped up by a hand tackle.

20-13 would have been even better, but at least it wasn't a blowout, and at least there were times on defense when we looked very capable of playing TCU at their level.

   It only gets better from here on out.

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