Friday, September 7, 2012

Big 12 reaches $2.6B deal with ESPN, Fox Sports


— The Big 12 has reached an agreement with ESPN and Fox Sports on a 13-year contract reportedly worth $2.6 billion to televise football and men's basketball through 2024-25.

Financial terms of the deal announced Friday weren't released.

The deal will include games on ABC and all of the ESPN platforms, including the Longhorn Network. ESPN said Fox Sports was also part of the agreement.

ESPN said it will televise up to 19 conference-controlled football games through 2015, then that number would increase to 23 starting in 2016.

ESPN will have exclusive rights to the Big 12 basketball tournament and will televise up to 105 games per season.


championhawks 9 years, 3 months ago

Conference stability??

Can these numbers change if the Big XII expands?

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 3 months ago

Exactly what I was thinking.
Also, how does this effect the financial agreement with the Longhorn Network?

clevelandjayhawker 9 years, 3 months ago

What is the increase? Does this mean we can get rid of the track soon?

Larry Smith 9 years, 3 months ago

This means that each team gets $20 million a year from these rights. This does not include the third tier rights (which KU banks an additional 7-10 million from).

Tony Bandle 9 years, 3 months ago

2.600.000,000/13 = 200,000,000/10 teams = 20,000,000 per team per season + keeping all individual 3rd Tier TV revenues = why expand for anybody??...or to put another way, Notre Dame and Florida State...COME ON DOWN!!!!

  • Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame

  • Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, West Virginia, Florida State.

Seth Nesmith 9 years, 3 months ago

I agree, why expand? Unless its Notre Dame, no reason to. I will never understand why the track bothers everyone so much. It's the oldest stadium west of the mississippi, maybe when we sell out games for 3 or 4 seasons in a row, but until then, who really cares? It doesn't hurt us in recruiting, or facilities are nationally ranked and no one is ever saying- 'wow, all they need to do is get rid of the track!'

texashawk10 9 years, 3 months ago

The track itself is an out of date track that doesn't meet current standards for lane width or track length. The track is a 440 yard track and not a 400 meter track which is why KU has never hosted the outdoor Big 12 T&F championships. KU needs new outdoor facilities to bring that program into the 21st century and sustain the success the women's program is having now. I guarantee having out of date outdoor facilities is going to make it very difficult to build and maintain the current level of success KU is seeing right now in the women's T&F program.

KGphoto 9 years, 3 months ago

Let's hope this deal gets the ball rolling.

KGphoto 9 years, 3 months ago

Seems like MOST people are saying "all they need to do is get rid of the track" It's gonna happen.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

This agreement looks like one intended to incentivise the Big 12 into enough stand-pat complacency to stay largely a midwestern-time-zone conference long enough to let the Big Ten and the SEC figure out how to create the two four-time-zone super conferences--one north and one south.

But here's the thing: when the one eastern time zone team is in a Rockefeller state that Senator Rockefeller is already on record as enabling its admission, there is always a chance that more trump could be played before the election to lay ground work from more eastern time zone admissions after.

Regardless, 13 years is an eternity for such a contract, as the last three years make clear.

So the critical clause is: what happens if the Big 12 tries to expand to become a 3, or 4, time zone super conference?

The ESPN version of things, not surprisingly leaves that out.

Regarding expansion, I'm standing pat on my forecast that official declarations about expansion plans (i.e., stand pat, or expand) have to wait for the Presidential election to determine which axis of private oligarchy gets to have its way with America generally the next four years, and with this situation in particular. Without putting too fine of a point on it...

Conference probably stands pat, if Obama elected.

Conference probably expands, if Mitt elected.

Finally, the signing of this contract signals the expectation that the big-players expect Obama will be re-elected.


Jack Wilson 9 years, 3 months ago

Did you say the economy probably expands if Mitt is elected?

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago


If you don't realize that everything at the level of $2.5 billion dollars is political in America, then you are perhaps too naive for me to discuss this with.

Wag the athletic department with donations.

Wag the university with the athletic department.

Wag the state with the university.

Wag regional infrastructure expansion with the state.


Michael Bratisax 9 years, 2 months ago

Sorry j..I can't see how the presidential election effects expansion. Any political considerations would be much more in who gets invited into the conference. 2.5 Billion? Probably spent that much in the time to took to read the article and the comments.

colreader 9 years, 3 months ago

Does anybody know: Does this start next year, or immediately, or...or....or ?

Eric Dawson 9 years, 3 months ago

It starts this year. 13 years through 2024-2025 works out to year 1 = 2012-2013 through year 13 =2024-2025.

Redlandsjhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

I hope it includes an upgrade for the picture on ESPN full court. It looks like they're using Playskool cameras now.

LSHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

WOW, the Big 12 sure is dead, done for,, Missery and A&M sure were wise to leave, Cornhuskers too, man they all knew what they were doing....

actorman 9 years, 3 months ago

But Misuse will more than make up for it by the stellar success they'll no doubt have in pounding the boys from Alabama, LSU, Auburn, et al.

KGphoto 9 years, 3 months ago

Can't wait to see them get pimp slapped by Georgia this weekend.

justinryman 9 years, 3 months ago

And Colorado, the were the first team on record to bolt.

JakeBarnes 9 years, 3 months ago

Actually Colorado has done better in the Pac 10 or 12, whatever, than it has done recently in the Big 12 or 10, whatever.

Not being from western Kansas I didn't care one way or the other, except they were easier to beat than TCU or WVa will be in football. In basketball it makes no difference except their coach is a good guy and a KU man.

Justin Lindsley 9 years, 3 months ago

No reason to expand except for N.D. or a FSU or a very attractive school. There are not many of those that are left to pick from. It seems like the conferences are set for quite some time now. N.D. or FSU should beg to come with us right now!!

Displayhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Choke on that Brady Deaton! Big Miztake!

Displayhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

As a side note, I am glad we don't have to play Colorado in basketball anymore! Tad Boyle is building that program with some really good players. They are going to be a force in the Pac 10 soon. 'Course it took a KU guy to do it!

Lawkan 9 years, 3 months ago

actually I think we just signed a deal to play Colorado every year.

Eric Dawson 9 years, 3 months ago

Deal is a home and home package for 2012-13 (Lawrence) and 2013-14 (Boulder)seasons. Nothing beyond that so far.

Vernon Riggs 9 years, 3 months ago

You are right, 2-Year Home and Away deal starting this season.

SaltLakeHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

I get the healthy respect, that's cool. But let's be honest: Allen Fieldhouse far-west (aka "Coors Event Center") will remain exactly that: Allen Fieldhouse far-west*. Look up KU's win/loss in Boulder. It's insane.

*not to be confused with Allen Fieldhouse west. That's in manhatten.

Phoghorn 9 years, 3 months ago

I hope so, but you have to respect the improvements Colorado has been making lately. Hopefully Coach Boyle is this century's Coach Cox.

Robert Brown 9 years, 3 months ago

I think that TCU and WV do not get a full pay out for a couple of years. Does anyone know if that is true? That should mean an extra windfall for KU during the next few years.

wrwlumpy 9 years, 3 months ago

The deal includes a "grant of rights" agreement, meaning if a Big 12 school leaves for another league in the next 13 years, that school's media rights, including revenue, would remain with the Big 12 and not its new conference.

This is HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same $ as the big 10, $1 mil per school less than pac10, and more money than the SEC, ACC, and all the others.

Kent Wells 9 years, 3 months ago

"Financial terms of the deal announced Friday weren't released."

This just in... It is a 13-year contract worth approximately $2.6B. Which was cleverly disclosed in the paragraph preceding this statement!

bradh 9 years, 3 months ago

I think they were thinking specifically about financial terms if new teams were added. My concern is that 13 years is a long time. What happens if one of the other conferences signs even a bigger tv contract in year 8, can we renegotiate like a pro ball player? As I recall, part of the Big 12's instability came about because other conferences got new tv contracts before us and a couple of teams didn't want to wait 2 years to get the extra couple of million.

KGphoto 9 years, 3 months ago

"ESPN said it will televise up to 19 conference-controlled football games through 2015, then that number would increase to 23 starting in 2016."

Could this have anything to do with Notre Dame's NBC contract extension being up in 2015? Just seems like a big coincidence.

Phoghorn 9 years, 3 months ago

Now, schedule an annual non-con football game with the Cornhuskers and bring in a little extra TV revenue each year.

Phoghorn 9 years, 3 months ago

Make it the opener each year. Yes ladies and gentlemen, a good old BI6 and Big8+X contest - made just for TV.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 3 months ago

As an architect, I try to look outside the box first for a design solution. I have not heard this from anyone but it seems feasible.

Rather than remove the track, lower the field and redo all the drainage substructure, why not simply design an extended grandstand framework that fits over the lower portion of the existing grandstands but at a shallower angle that will bring the front row within say 40' of the bench area.

You would add seating, decrease the steepness of access and "close up" the gap to make the field more of a snake pit. Heck, you could make it demountable so the track could still be used after the football season is over.

I'm not saying it's a permanent solution, but it would buy some time to solve the track replacement and minimize the impact on the existing stadium hardscape. Just a thought.

KGphoto 9 years, 3 months ago

Speaking of thinking outside the box...

Oakville would it be possible to raise the stadium? I know it sounds ridiculous but the more I thought about it, the more it seemed possible. One section at a time put in temporary supports, cut into the existing supports and jack it up however high is necessary to allow bleachers to fill down to the field. Then re-connect a new support on top.

Again, outside the box. WAY outside. But all I really know about architecture is what I think looks cool, a few favorite architects, how to photograph it and that I'm very commonly amazed at where technology has brought us in the field, so...

2nd thing. Do you recognize my avatar?

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

  1. Thoroughly modernize the track and field infrastructure in place.

  2. Use Oak's idea, but design it so that the seating slides back and up during track season to allow the Olympic Sports.

  3. Dome it so that the football team plays its games indoors, KU basketball plays its non conference games in the dome, and KU can become the place for both NCAA and Olympic qualifying events.

From here on out, football and basketball are going to incrementally increase their revenues. They are sports in advanced stages of revenue development from a physical plan point of view.

Olympic sports are the next huge money maker to be developed. KU needs to use this moment to cast the die for KU to reclaim centrality in track.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago


Here is an addendum to my football stadium mods.

I have a hypothesis that we are living through an enlightenment cycle similar to the one that gripped Europe in the late 1500s to mid 1600s. That cycle was characterized by art historian Wylie Sypher, if I may oversimpligy and paraphrase a bit, as follows:

initial phase--genuine confidence in the capacity for an age of reason to improve the world for everyone spawns a formal rationalism in art and architecture characterized by elegance, balance, and natural proportion in forms and compositions.

mannerist phase--doubt and then disillusionment from the enlightenment so far, especially about the two tiered system of the rich above and the poor below and about the tendency for the enlightenment to make the divide greater rather than lesser, while deepening destabilization of institutions due to the accelerated change brought on by the enlightenment. Art forms are suffused with doubt the does not resolve itself.

baroque phase--sensing the decline of committment to the enlightenment, the rich and powerful begin to impose sharply increased top down force and oppression to perpetuate the enlightenment and its benefits for the rich and powerful, while constraining the destabilizing effects of it. The rising coercion of the masses is portrayed as a build-up of huge forces that exert upward pressures and lead to grand, cathartic forms erupting upwards. Grandeur in the upper half of the art and architecture stands on top of subdued lower portions.

exhaustion phase--doubt about the benefits and sustainability of the enlightenment that arose in the middle and lower classes, now spread to the upper classes. This shows up in art and architecture as an exhausted return to rational forms and compositions and a tendency to use composition and lighting to embody eclipse, i.e., the quiet after the storm.

Re-applying these terms to our present enlightenment, we appear to be emerging from mannerism and entering a baroque phase.

So: let's do a neo baroque athletic dome on the neoclassical football stadium.

Rock Chalk!

kubnc 9 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, does any other school in the country have a pick-up truck that drives up and down the field with a camera along the sideline during the game? Support the new track facility in NW Lawrence, take out the memorial stadium track. but... You have to keep the stairs in the bowl for the band pregame.

texashawk10 9 years, 3 months ago

Not necessarily a pick up truck, but all games that are broadcast on TV will have a scissor lift or something with wheels and an engine to broadcast better angles of plays when teams get down near the goal line at each end of the stadium.

Matt Gauntt 9 years, 3 months ago

The SEC's contract signed a couple years ago was $2 billion over 15 years. Losers!!!

Robert Brown 9 years, 3 months ago

What is interesting about the SEC contract with CBS is that CBS said, I get one game a week; I don't plan to add more games; I see no reason to pay more just because MU and A&M joined the conference. That might change, but conference expansion could be dilutive.

Brian Skelly 9 years, 3 months ago

That's true, but in fairness, I think Slive knew that would be their answer. The over the air stuff isnt what he wants to go after.

If they create an SEC network -- and can add carriage fees from Houston, St. Louis, Kansas City -- likely all markets bigger than any in SEC land except for Atlanta they'll rake in the bucks. And they will

The only thing that would give me pause if I were the SEC is the fact that the Big 10 network is sorta stalling out. It's ratings are @#$@ despite the large number of T.V.s getting it. How shocking that people in Non-Big 10 cities have NO INTEREST in watching them... I know.

Also, apparently the Pac-12s 'network' isnt nearly as glorious as folks initially expected. Why? They're getting little or NO tread at all outside of their footprint -- not entirely surprising considering the issues the Big 10 is having.

While I'd believe an "SEC Channel" would do great in its areas, its tough to see it having much national carry at all. And the population "base" for the SEC area my guess has far fewer cable / satellite subscribers than the other two cases. My guess is they are going to hold a gun to ESPNs head and tell them to build it (or maybe the other way around)

TexasHawk44 9 years, 3 months ago

One thing is for certain, track or no track and no matter who is elected, Jaybate will remain an idiot.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

TexasHawk44 = SexlessHawk.22short :-)

canusayduh 9 years, 3 months ago

Why is it always a KU characteristic to have to put people and organizations down? Something I've never understood with the KU culture. MU is gone...left the conference. KU is the one that severed the tie not allowing non-conference games to continue. Enough already.

kureader 9 years, 3 months ago

KU severed nothing. KU kept its mouth shut (unlike Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, MIssouri, and Texas Tech) and landed on its feet. Great job by Zenger and the other KU officials.

There's no reason to play MU anymore ... On the football side, Perkins moved the games to Arrowhead anyway ... forget about MU ... Kansas fans simply don't care about them.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 2 months ago

Mizzou severed the tie by leaving the conference. They just assumed that KU would continue to play them every year for revenue reasons. KU is proving a point by not scheduling any games with MU at the moment. MU can blame KU for severing ties all it wants, but in the end it was Mizzou who jumped ship and left the rest of the Big 12 in an unstable state. That's been remedied with the additions of WVU and TCU but I applaud KU for keeping the rest of the Big 12 in mind by excluding MU from all of it's activities. You can't have your pie and eat it too, MU.

kureader 9 years, 3 months ago

I'm still wondering, after reading the posts above, how KU and other Big 12 schools fared with this new contract as compared to our previous one ... AND, how this new deal compares to the ones obtained by Nebraska for going to the Big 10, Colorado for going to the Pac 12, and MU going to the SEC.

My sense is that the Big 12 schools landed on their feet, financially ... I'd like to know for sure so I could put some of my friends and family members (MU & Nebraska fans) back in their box.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 3 months ago

Two questions: 1) The longhorn network was wrapped into this, which is UT's Tier 3 rights. UT and the Big XII retain their Tier 3 rights. Does that mean that the $200,000,000 first gets trimmed by $15MM (guarantee for the LHN), so really the big 12 splits $185MM by 10 teams? $18.5MM?

2) What about Tier 2 rights (or was it Tier 1)? This means KU gets $18.5-$20MM for this contract and about $8MM for their Tier 3, which is now at $26.5-$28MM. I was thinking that there was another about $10-$13MM for the other rights (e.g. FX or NBC) ...anyone know?

Brian Skelly 9 years, 3 months ago

First one first... as far as I know the 15 mil for the LHN has nothing to do with the 20mil per year each teams get as divvied up by the conference. So yes, UT gets roughly 35 million per year.

Two... KU gets 20 mil from the T1/T2 (ABC/ESPN/FOX/FX) per year. They signed a Tier 3 deal with ESPN (essentially full court deals, but allows ESPN to broadcast more KU games than the conference package takes) which if im correct was 89 million over 10 years (8.9mil per).

I dont know the specifics of the "Jayhawks All-Access" online deal they have, but that apparently their cut there nets out to about 1-2 million per year. Clearly, if they can 'grow' that they'll be in phenomenal shape. In reality though subscription services that specific arent a large market -- at least not yet.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 3 months ago

The deal says it has wrapped in the Longhorn network, that makes me think that ESPN has wrapped that into this package to reduce its loses with that deal.

I think all of us assume that it is $20MM per team because we can do the math, but it specifically says financial terms haven't been disclosed. I think this is a hedge by ESPN to cut its loses from the LHN. I think it will be $18.5MM per team.

april28 9 years, 3 months ago

All praise Chuck Neinas and the new guy from Stanford. Also a shout out to Dr. Z.

Stability is here. Private bowl game with the dixieland conference in place. Beeping sound of truck backing up to dump the money can now be heard. MU to become a middle-of-the-road nobody in a power conference (oh yeah, that's what they were before).

Life is pretty good.

Now...let's show the Owls what a real friggin' bird looks like.

Brian Skelly 9 years, 3 months ago

Lets face it. These TV deals are mostly football, with some level of mens basketball thrown in. The biggest issue sometimes for the networks is simply having the times slots to offer up. As I mentioned the CBS deal with the SEC earlier... they really only have one time slot available most the season. Which is why they turned them down. And CBS is happy to 'share' them with ESPN. It's why the Big 12 'paring' with ABC/FOX makes total sense (Pac 12 does this too. I'd rather get MULTIPLE games per week on over the air TV (ABC will do 2 games per day many weeks, and FOX will do 1 some of the weeks, but most of its games are going to FX)

NBC has the opposite problem -- which is why they'd quietly love for ND to join a CONFERENCE -- to give them more content to broadcast. ND ratings on NBC are decent, but nothing extra ordinary. And unless they are great (which last happened when?) there just isnt a big enough national following -- no matter what east coast pundits blather about -- to generate the $$$ the want out of it. NBC is now going for scraps with Conference USA on its "NBC Sports Channel (formerly Versus). Good luck with that fellas. That oughta get folks demanding that channel. My guess is NBC would be fine starting an Notre Dame cable network... they probably would have fewer over the air games, and more on that channel.

If the Big 12 could add some of those "big boys" ( I know, dream sequence coming up) -- Notre Dame, Florida State, Clemson, Va. Tech, Ga. Tech, Maryland -- it'd strike me as easier to essentially hold up the networks.

Go to ALL of them -- all 4 need live content to charge premium ad $$$ -- have all 4 'over the air' networks broadcast one game per Saturday (or even get them to rotate that one does 2 games). Then they could split the cost with their Tier 2 partners (part of why the Big 12's new deal is a good deal for the conference AND the networks) -- ABC/ESPN, Fox/FX, CBS/TBS, NBC/USA and have the cable networks... and have them do 4 more. So what if games run concurrently. Flood the airwaves on national television. Screw this ESPN 8 "The ocho" / outdoor life crap. Get cable games on networks that ALL PROVIDERS ALREADY HAVE ON BASIC CABLE ! ! ! Your gonna tell me that Clemson / OU game on USA/FX/TBS/ESPN isnt going to beat out... USA (Law&Order:Jaywalking Unit), FX (some old movie Mudoch has the rights to), TBS (the 342,351,569th running of some Seinfeld or Family guy episode), ESPN... well this you could debate, but it'd at least get on ESPN2.

With that many BIG teams you'd offer networks an @$$load of premium ad dollars content without committing them to to many time slots and offer them flexibility to put it on cable with top tier pay networks.

It cant just be big numbers though... it HAS to be big names too. Which is why the only expansion that makes sense are ones that will really kick up the $$$.

Yikes. Im done rambling.

David Gisi 9 years, 3 months ago

NBC only did the ND contract originally because it had lost NFL. They were desperate to maintain some kind of football presence. NBC renewed prior to getting the NFL Sunday Night game. They get 1 high rated game a year typically. (USC or Michigan) Most games are so-so at best, even in a good year for ND. There's only been 2-3 of those during the entire contract! No other network was beating down the door to try and out-bid NBC to get ND for that contract. ESPN would no doubt love to have ND in a package conference deal and maybe even take on an ND network like the Longhorn deal, but no way would they do a just ND package like the NBC deal. Make no mistake, NBC has not made profit off that deal. It was done because it was the only football presence they could get at the time. I think the powers that be at ND recognize full well that they are going to have to go conference and the Big 12 is primed for a great fit. ND and Fl State would be awesome. I would love to have KU coming to South Bend on a regular basis, as I am sure the Chicago-area KU fan-base would also. Keeping my fingers crossed

TexasHawk44 9 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate: Thank you for continuing to make my point. You are the definition of "ignorant bliss". Enjoy being the head of the mouse. Roar little mouse, roar!

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

SxlessHawk.22Short: Thank ewe fer continuing to make the point that Texas does not yet euthanize all persons with fecal matter for brains.


jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

And, what have ewe got against mice? Mice are some of god's cutest little creatures, if they are not in our houses eating our food and chewing through boxes and surprising us. And think of all the medical discoveries and medicines we owe to mice. Mice are nice. Frankly, if ewe want to insult me, call me TexasHawk44. :-)

TexasHawk44 9 years, 3 months ago

Do you ever shut up, Jaybate? Go be a good boy and put on your VHS tapes of "The People's Court" and count some toothpicks.

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

Funny,, I was about to ask you the same question, but then thought, no, it might not be appropriate to ask a person with such modest social skills such a question. :-)

And thanks for not going off on mice any more. I feel we are making progress here. If I keep working with you, pretty soon you are going to be presentable. :-)

And now that I think about it, you are also proof that Tayhoss does not incarcerate the tedious either. :-)


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