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Saturday, September 1, 2012

Dallas prep Karviar Shepherd has KU on final list

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Karviar Shepherd, a 6-foot-10, 225-pound senior basketball center from Prime Prep Academy in Dallas, has cut his list of prospective colleges to five, Rivals.com reports.

The finalists: Kansas University, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian and Oklahoma.

Shepherd, who is ranked No. 43 nationally by Rivals.com, said he would be visiting all five schools in coming weeks.

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Doug Cramer 1 year, 11 months ago

I've heard this guy is a stud !!!

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Chris Bruning 1 year, 11 months ago

Also comes from same school of Darrell Arthur, yes, a stud who has work to do on his offensive skills but is a defensive stud who protects the rim well. I have a real good feeling about this one.....

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Kahno1 1 year, 11 months ago

Wat. Darrell Arthur averaged almost 10 points at 53%+ FG percentage his freshman year including a 19pt/9reb game vs defending/eventual champion Florida in November. He was one of the most polished players offensively Bill Self has had come out of high school. He was from finished but defensively, but he was already super on the other end.

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

Kahno1: I have a hunch he was referring to Shepherd when he mentioned "work to do on his offensive skills .."

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Kahno1 1 year, 11 months ago

"same school of Darrell Arthur" He was drawing a comparison between the two, as they certainly do not come from the same high school.

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wildjayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

You are the big know nothing on this site, moron.

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REHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd like to see Karviar's stats, wingspan, and floor speed. His current ranking falls within a slot which KU has been known to develop successfully, at least with Dan Man on the staff.

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Ron Franklin 1 year, 11 months ago

Speaking of DMan. I wonder how he is doing on the recruiting trail. I would think he could attract a few bigs.

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jhox 1 year, 11 months ago

You have to love that name...

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Joe Ross 1 year, 11 months ago

Karviar Shepherd is not very active in the post. A better pick up would be Jordan McKinney, who is a forward and is 3 inches shorter, but plays much higher above the rim than Shepherd and is unquestionably more active. Shepherd does a lot of watching the ball move around him and doesn't play a lot of the paint area given his size. I think he's kind of lazy, actually. Shepherd would be getting a longer straw than the University if Kansas picks him up. There is better talent out there, just sayin...

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

What is that moisture kind of stuff coming from the sky? I am puzzled. Anyway ..

Three scholarships available: Scholarship #1: Frankamp Scholarship #2: Greene Scholarship #3: Post Player - pick one: Randle, Parker, Shepherd, Lawrence Scholarship #4: Point Guard - pick one: Barber, Jackson, Jones Scholarship #5: Best Available - pick one: Jaydogger, jaybate, bennybob, REHawk

Get one out of each of these three categories, and we have the #1 recruiting class (that 5th scholarship, if we can fill the first two from the guys listed, becomes a bit irrelevant .. or like a cherry on top .. whichever you choose).

One interesting thing to follow is how long coach Self will wait. It seems like the point guard thing may play itself out rather quickly. But it doesn't seem that way with the post players, given that Randle and/or Parker seem intent on waiting until the spring.

I can't imagine Shepherd or Lawrence committing without an assurance that they will be the top big man in the class -- meaning if Randle or Parker come, plus we have Ellis -- those are roadblocks. I doubt Shepherd or Lawrence would be scared off by the big men that may return for 2013-14, but for Ellis.

Nightmare scenario: We get none of the above targets for scholarships 3 and 4. We then get unranked point guard Frank Mason and a low ranked big man.

In any other year, that might not be a big deal. But the 2013 class needs to be "the class." McLemore, Ellis, and White are a terrific core. Add that to the best player between Peters/Lucas/Traylor (we only need one to be really good). Just assume Tharpe to be adequate. A major recruiting class home run -- say Barber and Shepherd added to the class -- sets us up for multiple title contending teams.

We got lucky last season -- meaning, that Robinson emerged, that Withey stepped up, that Teahan was up to his role, that Taylor turned the corner -- we were dangerously thin. Everything came together nicely, thanks to the best coach in the nation. And we survived without major injury.

We have to expect an ACL sometime. A home run class every so often, quality depth, etc., means you can survive injury. I go back to 2003 -- Simien does his shoulder and perhaps the best unsung player to have the greatest impact in KU's history, steps up -- Jeff Graves. Top players around a Jeff Graves can provide for minor drop off.

(cont)

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

(cont)

The thing I really like about what could be here -- the diversity in our offense attack. White, Frankamp, and Greene, great shooters and scorers; McLemore and Barber, slashers and scorers; Ellis and Peters, guys that can post up, or step out; Shepherd, long, defense first, top rebounder.

I'd rather have Shepherd on board for 3 seasons, than either Parker or Randle for one. But I won't complain either way. I just like the idea of an enforcer like Shepherd in the middle and I doubt we get him if we get Parker or Randle.

Not to be too dramatic here, but I think this class is one of the most important classes we've had in a long time. Add Tharpe to the eight guys I mentioned. That, my friends, is the best team in the nation. And that doesn't even account for the development of Anrio Adams or another big guy.

We are on the cusp of something pretty special here. We just need Coach Self to seal the deal.

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jaybate 1 year, 11 months ago

"I just don't think we will get Randle, and probably not Parker or Lawrence. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm just being what I think is realistic based on the competition for those players, and recent history. I do think we have a great shot at Barber or another elite guard."--JayShagsHimself

Aren't multiple schools recruiting Randle, Parker, Lawrence and Barber?

Why do we have a better shot at Barber?

Competition?

Why does the competition make us at a disadvantage with the other players, but not with Barber?

Why? Why? Why? Why?

"Nobody ever seems to mention Lucas but I think he will be important as a back-up Big, not just for "depth."

Why? Why? Why?

For gods sakes, why?

JayShagsHimself Syndrome is acute today.

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Alohahawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Agree with most everything you mention HighEliteMajor. However, if Self got long-shot lucky and did, somehow, persuade Jabari Parker to sign with KU, I think Parker would stipulate beforehand that he'd be working from the outside in, as a small forward. He has too many ball handling skills. He'd want the freedom to create from the outside. Parker may be 6' 7" tall (?), but I don't see him as a power forward and working the trenches down low, at least not as his basic position on the team.

Which means, Self would still want/need a "big", like Shepherd, as an inside defender, shot blocker.

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

That's a good point .. he's listed at 6'8" and is noted as a small forward. You're right on his skills, too. I had seen some AAU clips on ESPNU and he was posting guys up left and right. Seems like with his quickness and skills he would be a load down low and a difficult matchup (at the college level) with the opposing 4 trying to guard him. But you're probably right on what Parker wants .. he's an NBA 3 without a doubt.

I guess, do we want the OAD drama? The Henry, Selby drama? Will he, won't he? The universe revolves around Jabari Parker. I hate that crap. But I do like national titles. I guess I don't mind the former, if we can get the latter...

Can't pass on a top player like that, but I sure like our 3 situation now with White and Greene.

Except for the little raincloud up there .. jross1972 .. can we all agree that we want Shepherd?

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Alohahawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Regarding Parker's OAD status, one must remember he is a Mormon. And he hasn't ruled out the possibilty that he would leave for his one year religious obligation. Be that as it may, he'd be a OAD, whether he left for the NBA or for religious reasons.

jross1972 - Rain clouds? I'm not familiar with Jordan McKinney. He'd have to be a very good, quick leaper/shot blocker if he is 3" shorter (6' 7"?) than Shepherd.

As for the available scholarships situation, discussed by others: If McLemore is as good as Self has indicated, he could be gone after this season, or the next. I don't see him being around for his Jr. or Sr. seasons, much as I'd enjoy his continued services. I hope he proves to be as good as advertised. If so, that would create another open scholarship for those following season(s).

Redshirts this year: Probably not. Self needs to evaluate, under game conditions, whether a player will contribute in the long haul. And thus, use up a scholarship over a 5 year period. He has to see something he can help them improve at, to warrant keeping them around. There are advantages and disadvantages to both players and to the team's overall situation when shelling out redshirts to borderline players.

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texashawk10 1 year, 11 months ago

Jabari Parker did make a visit to BYU this weekend so the Mormon factor is still in play for his recruitment. Parker also seems like a very grounded kid and does not have the ego of Xavier Henry or Josh Selby. If KU could land Jabari Parker, that would be huge get for KU for however long he chooses to play college basketball. He's of the few OAD caliber players who I can realistically see staying around for 3 years and getting a degree.

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

JayDogger: I think Randle is in play, but marginally. But I agree with you .. take Shepherd the minute he says he wants to commit, and guarantee him that he's the top big man of the class. I also agree that I'd bank the scholarship as opposed to a marginal, transfer-likely, depth guy. I'd hold it for some late gift that might fall into our laps (see Brandon Rush). If none comes, then just give the 5th one to Wesley for 2013-14 and it's free for 2014-15. We don't have any other scholarships for that season if we give out 5 for 2013, right?

Lucas is interesting. I've mentioned that I think it's likely that the loser in the Lucas, Peters, Traylor competition won't be here for 2013-14 if we land a top big in the 2013 class. Just numbers and playing time. I think that becomes even more likely simply because we have no scholarships (right now) that would come open for the 2014 class (assuming we don't bank the 5th one mentioned above).

If Traylor is the on short end of the stick, then maybe not since he would lose a year of eligibility by sitting since he's already sat one. But would you rather sit three years, or play two? I just don't see how all three guys stay if get a top guy (which none of the three are .. yet). After Europe, it seems that Peters is in the lead, Lucas next, then Traylor.

But do you think that makes Lucas the most likely to redshirt? If Peters is ahead of him, and Traylor can't? Or, possibly no redshirts this season and Lucas gets one in 2013-14 if all stay around? Lots of options.

Also I wouldn't think 4 and 5 spots -- meaning Lucas backing up Withey at the 5. I'd think 4 and 4a -- Jackson and Arthur. Meaning, we don't necessarily need a true center type. When Kaun came in, sure, that's a 5. Or Aldrich. Or Withey. Seems to me that Lucas is a 4a type that can play in space a bit, but I can't say for sure yet.

I just like the battle Self has created here. Survival of the fittest and great competition. Hopefully it will bring out the best in them. We already saw Adams prevail over Doyle in a TKO for a 2013 roster spot .. and the fight had hardly started. Who knows how that would have worked out over the season? I tend to think that only one of the three will be a big contributor this season, with the top two in Self's mind then being potential four year, Darnell Jackson-type players.

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bennybob 1 year, 11 months ago

I would caution that two much of a dog-eat-dog culture amoungst a team can negatively impact team chemistry.

Often times its nice to know that these 5-7 guys are your A team and these 5-7 guys are you A team in training.

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bennybob 1 year, 11 months ago

With Frankamp already locked up i think the PG scholie is ear marked for one player only: Barber.

The only way a 2 PG class makes sense is if one of those PGs is a OAD. the only OAD on our current list of targets in Barber.

I don;' buy into the talk that Frankamp can consistently play the 2 a 6'0" he'll be giving up 4-6" a night to whoever he's guarding which instantly makes him a defensive liability. there's no way self tolerates that mismatch.

Having that PG schollie go to anyone else but Barber would be a huge signal to the coaching staffs lack of trust in Tharpe.

Shephard is a great recruit, but he's not a guy that can step in next year and make an immediate impact. He's going to need some time(Think Jeff Withey). So if Shepard commits theres still a need for another big that can contribute solid minutes immediately next season, thats where Randle/Parker/Lawrence become a crucial get.

With that said I have two ideal end results here:

Frankamp Greene Barber Shephard Lawrence

or

Frankamp Greene Shephard Lawrence Glue Guy

I'd take Randle or Parker no doubt, but 2 OADs in a single class is too much turnover with everyone else that's graduating next year.

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bennybob 1 year, 11 months ago

I too am excited about the offense possibilities the next few seasons. Bill Self could potentially be putting the best 3 pt shooting team in America on the court every night.

Everyone knows when you play Self your going to get a heavy dose of the Hi-Lo and your going to have to defend the paint if you want to win. With those shooters floating around the perimeter any help from the back court in terms of post defense is out the window.

Our bigs are essentially going to be playing a game of 2 v 2 all day just waiting for a perimeter defender to leave his man. It'll be very similar to the way the Morrii played with Brady and Tyrel.

Of course the key to this is going to be having 2-3 bigs that compliment each other well enough to win that 2 v 2 game and force the defense to start leaving the shooters

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texashawk10 1 year, 11 months ago

If Karviar Shepherd does come to KU, history says he won't contribute immediately for KU. History says he'll play a little bit his freshmen season and then depending on how the roster shakes out, become a big factor in either his sophomore or junior years. I would love to see KU be able to land one of the elite bigs in either Parker or Randle along with Shepherd because Parker and Randle will be in the NBA by the time Shepherd is be a factor in KU's rotation. Also based on history, don't be shocked if Landon Lucas transfers after this season because only 2 players ranked above 100 have stayed until graduation under Bill Self and those two were a pair of kids from Kansas. Traylor will be an exception because he redshirted last year so he really can't transfer and Zach Peters low ranking is due more to him not playing AAU ball between his junior and senior seasons than it is to a lack of skill. Naadir Tharpe's development is moving along at a pace that is pretty much expected for someone of his ranking at a place like KU. He will be ready to take over as the primary PG for KU next season regardless of who KU brings in at PG this class.

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Robin Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

Settle down, kettle. Where's your "Penetrating, insightful, mind-quaking commentary" ?

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jhawk613 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm starting to think the LJW staff just wants to rile up a few people.

They listed his choices as: Kansas University (not University of Kansas or Kansas or KU) Texas (not Texas University or University of Texas) Texas A&M (not Texas A&M University) Texas Christian (not TCU or Texas Christian University) Oklahoma (not OU or Oklahoma University or University of Oklahoma)

seriously? the other 4 are listed by just their basic name yet LJW feels the need to add "University" to Kansas.

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Robin Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

This is the standard way of doing it. It's policy and it makes a certain logical sense given the ordering of our acronym, even though it's not the official name of the school as writ in the charter. This discrepancy has been pointed out by every poster in the history of this site. It's, in my opinion, somewhat better than having people call us UK, as Bill Clinton did once when he gave a speech in Allen Fieldhouse.

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Brianna Zaleski 1 year, 11 months ago

Jaybate, Boy, you are not having a very good wknd. You got baited into cheap, childish, name calling contest with troll yesterday, which resulted in multiple posts of yours removed. And today, you can't get anyone to fall for your cheap attempts to fight. Where us YOUR substance? Nobody wants to hear you go on and on about, what is and what is not, a proper post.

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Robin Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

I agree. Let's leave the pedantic post-critiquing for strictly interior monologues. Especially when they are so ironically misplaced.

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jaybate 1 year, 10 months ago

ZIGGIE,

You don't seriously think I mind having a thousand posts removed to stand up to chumps do you?

You really are weak in the knees, Ziggie.

Man up a little, will ya? :-)

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Robin Smith 1 year, 10 months ago

ROFL What's your name, big man? :D

I know you don't need me to point out the irony here.

(And yes, I know you weren't replying to my well-worded and completely appropriate characterization of your prior behavior; especially the pedantic part ;)

No need either for you to point out my ironies. I see them, I let them go. I've even waived my general distaste for using the same word so frequently :D This is just too amusing.

I await your replies, sweetheart xoxoxo, yrstruly Robin

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Mark Lindrud 1 year, 11 months ago

If we can get a quality big and pg personally this class should be done. We are deep at the wings and have a great 1-2 punch at Pf. Would love to see all this happen soon rather than the waiting game we've grown accustomed to, but as we have sometimes seen, good things come to those who wait. Also, hope Msnning does great.

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jaybate 1 year, 11 months ago

ZIGman and Robin bringing it with the IMITATIVE FALLACY.

I FLIPPING LOVE IT!

Critiquing someone for critiquing some one's post!!!!

Holy imitative fallacy!

Logic is a necessary astringent in discourse. Get used to it.

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Robin Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

Look in the mirror. Imitation is right, but I keep it a terse reflection.

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Robin Smith 1 year, 10 months ago

Listen. I enjoy your writing, but you've lowered your standards. Don't outsmart yourself, you're being sophomoric - the writing's on the wall. Thanks for caring, though. Maybe you'd like to conduct yourself with some decorum, less pomposity, and perhaps fewer astringents in your own rectal region :D

Oh, and by the way, you can keep your fallacies and, rather, keep rolling in the ironic piddles of my absurdum.

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jaybate 1 year, 11 months ago

This just in from the Orwell News Service:

"We critique your post for critiquing JShagger's and jloss' posts." --ZIGman and Robin

Other Orwell Basketball News Service Headlines:

War is peace. Love is hate. Nude emperors are clothed emperors. Basketball is football. KU is MU. Fall is spring.

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REHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

HEM, very comprehensive posts today. I liked your tribute to Graves and the TKO alusion to Adams/Doyle. I have given considerable thought to the Doyle departure. Can't over criticize a recruit who craves more immediate minutes on the court. He represented insurance to the Jayhawks; the quick exit would indicate that he did not possess the tenacity demanded of a Bill Self player (such as Russ Rob or Tyrel Reed). Also, that Tharpe and Adams posed as formidable obstacles, which speaks well for backups at the perimeter this season. Doyle looks to possess enough game to do well in the transfer program where he landed. The Cat/Karviar duo would certainly offer the Jayhawks a super 2013 recruiting class, and would appear to set us up well for future pursuits of the big title. And, yeah, if we do recruit a quality big man for 2013, something might eventually give in the way of a transfer for a member of the Peters/Lucas/Traylor trio (though not necessarily). Gotta hope that Lucas can step up to offer Withey some quality relief minutes this season. You were right-on regarding our hopes that several potential starters would turn the corner last year, and that we were blessed to stay free of a major injury such as an ACL. Andrea Hudy probably played a key role in much of the physical good fortune. No surprise that she is right there on the bench, representing the sometimes unsung foundation of a very competitive highly rated national power which, for the most part, kept its top 7 or 8 players in splendid condition throughout a grueling schedule.

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REHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Gotta hope that all newcomers are making optimal use of Hudy's knowledge and facilities. I wonder if BenMac has invested crucial time with her these past 15 months....

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bennybob 1 year, 11 months ago

From the limited amount of pictures i've seen during the summer practices it appears BMac has taken Huddy's recomendations to heart.

He appears to have really bulked up in the chest/shoulder area and thats really all he needed. the kid already jumps through the roof i'd leave his legs alone!

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REHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

One thing for dead certain, Ben must be a mighty hungry aspirant to get on the floor and show his stuff this season. Would love to see him play as a Jayhawk 2 seasons; but the stuff job he received from the league office might have nixed that possibility. A season and a half of fulltime play would have been terrific. Might have changed the outcome of that Championship game last April. If, if, if; if yer aunt had....

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BewareOfThePhogOnTheWater 1 year, 11 months ago

Why does anyone besides Jaybate post on this site? He knows it all and thinks everyone else is an idiot. It is you against the world, isn't it jerk!

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REHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Well, I post because I usually have fairly positive, fairly rational opinions to express toward the LJW articles...or Jayhawk hoops in general. How about yoursef?

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Jeeveshawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Im sure Shepherd has potential as a great player. But we will need someone who can make an immediate impact at the 5 after Withey leaves. I don't know if he is up to the challenge or not.

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hita3iron 1 year, 10 months ago

" I don't know if he is up to the challenge..."

Coaching staff will be happy to make these heavy decisions for you.

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Matt1958 1 year, 10 months ago

Help me out all. I'm pretty impressed with the Ojeleye kid from down the road. Both as a kid and a player. I hate to see in state talent like him get away. What gives?

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