Dallas prep Karviar Shepherd has KU on final list

Table_Rock_Jayhawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I've heard this guy is a stud !!!

RCJ 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Also comes from same school of Darrell Arthur, yes, a stud who has work to do on his offensive skills but is a defensive stud who protects the rim well. I have a real good feeling about this one.....

Wat. Darrell Arthur averaged almost 10 points at 53%+ FG percentage his freshman year including a 19pt/9reb game vs defending/eventual champion Florida in November. He was one of the most polished players offensively Bill Self has had come out of high school. He was from finished but defensively, but he was already super on the other end.

HighEliteMajor 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Kahno1: I have a hunch he was referring to Shepherd when he mentioned "work to do on his offensive skills .."

Kahno1 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"same school of Darrell Arthur" He was drawing a comparison between the two, as they certainly do not come from the same high school.

JayDogger 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I know he's from Texas but why would he go to A&M or TCU? Or Oklahoma for that matter? I understand why he likes Texas but they recruited a 5-star and a 4-star Center last year. I was glad when he eliminated Baylor a while back.

Gotta like our chances!

I think this is the guy we need the most. And it seems like it would make a great fit for him and for KU. We'd give him the highest profile and the best shot at the NBA and I bet he'd make an immediate impact and stick around for 3-4 years.

Come on, Karviar, Rock Chalk!

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

JayShagsHimself,

When are you going to stop mastering the obvious and asking questions with obvious answers? It makes you incredibly tedious.

I do scroll past things, but I try to give each poster the benefit of the doubt, and wade in a bit, before I hit the scroll key.

When are you going to man-up and add substance to discussions? Or alternatively try to be entertaining? I have been waiting a heckuva long time now for one or the other.

When you agree with a story, or a post, but have nothing insightful to add, for the love of Yahweh, Allah, and God, just enter one of the following:

-I agree. -Copy and paste. -Ditto. -Yes, well said. -I second that.

If you think its particularly good, its okay to use PHOF, as you did with a bash about me recently. At least that didn't make you seem tedious.

Let's examine your post, so you know what I mean.

"I know he's from Texas but why would he go to A&M or TCU? Or Oklahoma for that matter?"

Surely can think up some plausible answers to these questions without asking us. Maybe he has a girl he likes at one of these schools. Maybe one of his pals goes to these schools. Maybe his parents raised him to be a fan of one of these schools. Maybe he likes the coaches at these schools as much as Self so far. Maybe those advising him have said, "Have a list, because things can change fast at any of these programs." And so on. There are lots of reasons why. Think a little before you write empty questions.

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"I understand why he likes Texas but they recruited a 5-star and a 4-star Center last year."

Well, if you understand, and you know he recruited these 4 and 5 star players, try to answer your question yourself, first, before posing it to the rest of us. This is not a hard question, at all. Maybe Barnes wants as much depth as Self and plans to use three bigs the way Self does, and Karviar wants to be a part of that. Maybe one of the Texas recruits did not pan out. Maybe one had an injury. This is not rocket science here, JayShagsHimself. You can answer some of your own questions here and then post the answers, so we can debate them. Its okay, if your answers are stupid. But please don't give us questions with obvious answers just to see your words on the screen.

"I was glad when he eliminated Baylor a while back."

Question: how many of us here do you think wish he would have kept considering Baylor?

"Gotta like our chances!"

What if Erwin Shroedinger, or Niels Bohr, had said, "Gotta like our probability waves," and left quantum mechanics at that? Assertions of probability become interesting when they are supported by some kind of evidence we cannot think of immediately on our own. A readers mind is thirsty for logic and facts, or he would not be reading. Give us something, once in awhile, would you?

"I think this is the guy we need the most."

Here again, why?

"And it seems like it would make a great fit for him and for KU. We'd give him the highest profile and the best shot at the NBA and I bet he'd make an immediate impact and stick around for 3-4 years."

Why?

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

A reader yearns to know why you think what you think, not just whatever happens into your head.

A reader also longs to be freed from questions that everyone already knows the answers to.

Let me give you some examples of what I am increasingly calling the JayShagsHimself Syndrome.

~I like dogs better than cats. (Why?)

~I like Monday better than Tuesday. (Why?)

~I am glad that a nuclear bomb did not fall on McPherson. (Mastery of obvious)

~I am glad that hampsters are not big enough to eat people. (mastery of the obvious)

~Kangaroos can jump. (mastery of the obvious)

~Grasshoppers sure can hop. (mastery of the obvious)

~Nudity frightens me. (why?)

~A good point guard is essential to winning a ring. (a mastery of the obvious, that also triggers a why? because a reader thinks you must have discovered something new, or you wouldn't master the obvious.)

Next.

wildjayhawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

You are the big know nothing on this site, moron.

JayDogger 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I very much think he and Lucas could make a great 1-2 punch at the Center position. And Ellis and Peters could be a great 1-2 punch at the 4. That would make a pretty formidable front court (along with Traylor as quality depth) for a few years. Probably not our best, but combined with the back court we're building we should have a Championship team in the works. Certainly we would have a shot at continuing to dominate the Big 12.

And if we can get Barber...WOW! What a class we would have.

I really hope we can get Karviar.

REHawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I'd like to see Karviar's stats, wingspan, and floor speed. His current ranking falls within a slot which KU has been known to develop successfully, at least with Dan Man on the staff.

Blown 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Speaking of DMan. I wonder how he is doing on the recruiting trail. I would think he could attract a few bigs.

jhox 8 months, 3 weeks ago

You have to love that name...

jross1972 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Karviar Shepherd is not very active in the post. A better pick up would be Jordan McKinney, who is a forward and is 3 inches shorter, but plays much higher above the rim than Shepherd and is unquestionably more active. Shepherd does a lot of watching the ball move around him and doesn't play a lot of the paint area given his size. I think he's kind of lazy, actually. Shepherd would be getting a longer straw than the University if Kansas picks him up. There is better talent out there, just sayin...

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"Shepherd does a lot of watching the ball move around him and doesn't actually play a lot of the paint area given his size."--jloss

OMG, not you too!!!!

All the particle brains have come up for air at once.

He watches the ball move around too much?

ROTFL!!!!!!!

Penetrating, insightful, mind-quaking commentary.

He doesn't "actually" play a lot of the paint area for his size.

Hmmmmm, lemme see here. Ummm. I have this image of a bluish, semi transparent figure of Karviar, kind of like Princess Leia being projected up in thin air by R2D2. He is projected in the lane at about half scale, say 3 feet tall. The ball moves around. This little tiny image of Karviar tries to catch up to its movement, but its just too fast for him. The lane is just too big. His itty bitty legs just won't permit him to "play a lot of the paint area," not "actually."

I blink. No, that can't be what jloss meant in his dementia.

Blink again.

Then the image of Karviar gets kind of Jabba-like huge but still kind of transparent. Another projection from R2D2. Karviar talks in this slowwwwwwed down, deep, slurred speech like The Hutt himself. He moves at 1/3 the speed of everyone else and leaves a slime trail.

Thanks, jloss, thanks a lot for triggering images of a young high school student like these. You're a real peach pit of a guy.

And thanks for calling Karviar "lazy."

Maybe you could hurl your signature "idiot" at him, too.

Honestly, some nuns ought to take a ruler to you!

How did a guy with so flipping little to offer, ever become so judgmental? And about things he appears to know less and less about. Its sad.

You bashed a kid, who's done nothing to you. Called his character into question, when you don't know him personally.

Are you writing a book callled "Basketball and Magical Thinking Expressed through a Lens of Dementia"?

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Hey, try this one: Shepherd tends to focus just slightly too low, or slightly too high above lint specks floating in the air in front of him during day games when the sun light comes in at near horizontal angles and excites anti-gravitation effects in his arches...that make him not "actually" play enough of the paint area given his size.

Pathetic. Just pathetic, what you said about this young man. I can't even get down low enough to do a fitting caricature of you. And I'm trying, jloss, I'm trying hard.

No, wait, maybe this would fit: Shepherd steps too lightly on the floor and does not quite lace his shoes as tightly as he might, when the humidity gets between 66-67% on the second Wednesday of each month when he "actually" does not play up to his size and gets a "longer straw than the University of Kansas."

No, no, no, no, this is better: Shepherd presses his lips together just a little to much as he slides too close to the base line, when men with black sun glasses and nebulizers say you won't remember a thing, and sing "Baby You're a Rich Man" as he does not play as much of the lane as jloss hallucinates about and so accuses the kid of being "lazy."

I was feeling great today, kind of optimistic and upbeat about human nature, and then I read your petty, cruel, small minded post and "that's all folks."

So the least I can do is give you some feedback.

Earth to jloss, heads up, jloss.

Self recruits all the guys he thinks his staff could develop into well rounded bigs, then he hopes he can sign the one, or two, the team needs.

The world is slightly more complex than you analyze it, but a lot less fantastical and agenda driven than you would have it.

Jordan McKinney, Cristo Rey Jesuit, brother maybe played for Benedictine High in 2007-2008?

Karviar Shepherd: Prime Prep Academy, "lazy," you say?

Do I have the right Jordan McKinney? Surely not. I looked. That was the closest I could find in a hurry.

How about you start a web site called: AlltheThingsjlossWouldPreferandthatAp...

You could write things like: I would prefer jaybate would not point out the magical (or the biased) things I say, when I just want to be able to say whatever empty headed thoughts I have about him (and other things) and chase them with the word "idiot." :-)

No, better yet call it: XTRemeOnanismJLossStyle.org.

No, wait, I've got it: TheUndisciplinedInnerWorldofJLoss.net

Thank heavens October 15th is coming soon.

Hey, you've called Karviar "lazy," how about you call some other recruit "stupid"; that would really help Self out.

And now, this is just for you for old times sake.

Idiot! :-)

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Double idiot. :-)

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Triple idiot. :-)

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

P.S.: Don't listen to jloss, Karviar.

I swear, KU fans are not all demented.

If Coach Self thinks you can play for Kansas, and you want to play at Kansas, trust that most of the fans here will have your back.

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

What are you doing, jaybate?

HighEliteMajor 8 months, 3 weeks ago

What is that moisture kind of stuff coming from the sky? I am puzzled. Anyway ..

Three scholarships available: Scholarship #1: Frankamp Scholarship #2: Greene Scholarship #3: Post Player - pick one: Randle, Parker, Shepherd, Lawrence Scholarship #4: Point Guard - pick one: Barber, Jackson, Jones Scholarship #5: Best Available - pick one: Jaydogger, jaybate, bennybob, REHawk

Get one out of each of these three categories, and we have the #1 recruiting class (that 5th scholarship, if we can fill the first two from the guys listed, becomes a bit irrelevant .. or like a cherry on top .. whichever you choose).

One interesting thing to follow is how long coach Self will wait. It seems like the point guard thing may play itself out rather quickly. But it doesn't seem that way with the post players, given that Randle and/or Parker seem intent on waiting until the spring.

I can't imagine Shepherd or Lawrence committing without an assurance that they will be the top big man in the class -- meaning if Randle or Parker come, plus we have Ellis -- those are roadblocks. I doubt Shepherd or Lawrence would be scared off by the big men that may return for 2013-14, but for Ellis.

Nightmare scenario: We get none of the above targets for scholarships 3 and 4. We then get unranked point guard Frank Mason and a low ranked big man.

In any other year, that might not be a big deal. But the 2013 class needs to be "the class." McLemore, Ellis, and White are a terrific core. Add that to the best player between Peters/Lucas/Traylor (we only need one to be really good). Just assume Tharpe to be adequate. A major recruiting class home run -- say Barber and Shepherd added to the class -- sets us up for multiple title contending teams.

We got lucky last season -- meaning, that Robinson emerged, that Withey stepped up, that Teahan was up to his role, that Taylor turned the corner -- we were dangerously thin. Everything came together nicely, thanks to the best coach in the nation. And we survived without major injury.

We have to expect an ACL sometime. A home run class every so often, quality depth, etc., means you can survive injury. I go back to 2003 -- Simien does his shoulder and perhaps the best unsung player to have the greatest impact in KU's history, steps up -- Jeff Graves. Top players around a Jeff Graves can provide for minor drop off.

(cont)

HighEliteMajor 8 months, 3 weeks ago

(cont)

The thing I really like about what could be here -- the diversity in our offense attack. White, Frankamp, and Greene, great shooters and scorers; McLemore and Barber, slashers and scorers; Ellis and Peters, guys that can post up, or step out; Shepherd, long, defense first, top rebounder.

I'd rather have Shepherd on board for 3 seasons, than either Parker or Randle for one. But I won't complain either way. I just like the idea of an enforcer like Shepherd in the middle and I doubt we get him if we get Parker or Randle.

Not to be too dramatic here, but I think this class is one of the most important classes we've had in a long time. Add Tharpe to the eight guys I mentioned. That, my friends, is the best team in the nation. And that doesn't even account for the development of Anrio Adams or another big guy.

We are on the cusp of something pretty special here. We just need Coach Self to seal the deal.

JayDogger 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I just don't think we will get Randle, and probably not Parker or Lawrence. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I'm just being what I think is realistic based on the competition for those players, and recent history. I do think we have a great shot at Barber or another elite guard.

If we can get Shepherd to commit I think Self will take him as the bird in the hand. Then I think that will be the last Big this year. If we get an elite PG then I think that's the last guard of the year, unless Troy Williams comes as a package deal.

I think if we get those four recruits we should stop and bank the fifth schollie for the next couple of years when there will be few schollies to offer. However, Self seems willing to offer to some lower ranked guy like Merv or Milton for insurance or whatever.

Nobody ever seems to mention Lucas but I think he will be important as a back-up Big, not just for "depth." It will be interesting to see if he gets many minutes behind Withey this year.

I agree that that team would be the (among) the top team(s) in the country, certainly in the Big 12.

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

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Alohahawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Agree with most everything you mention HighEliteMajor. However, if Self got long-shot lucky and did, somehow, persuade Jabari Parker to sign with KU, I think Parker would stipulate beforehand that he'd be working from the outside in, as a small forward. He has too many ball handling skills. He'd want the freedom to create from the outside. Parker may be 6' 7" tall (?), but I don't see him as a power forward and working the trenches down low, at least not as his basic position on the team.

Which means, Self would still want/need a "big", like Shepherd, as an inside defender, shot blocker.

HighEliteMajor 8 months, 3 weeks ago

That's a good point .. he's listed at 6'8" and is noted as a small forward. You're right on his skills, too. I had seen some AAU clips on ESPNU and he was posting guys up left and right. Seems like with his quickness and skills he would be a load down low and a difficult matchup (at the college level) with the opposing 4 trying to guard him. But you're probably right on what Parker wants .. he's an NBA 3 without a doubt.

I guess, do we want the OAD drama? The Henry, Selby drama? Will he, won't he? The universe revolves around Jabari Parker. I hate that crap. But I do like national titles. I guess I don't mind the former, if we can get the latter...

Can't pass on a top player like that, but I sure like our 3 situation now with White and Greene.

Except for the little raincloud up there .. jross1972 .. can we all agree that we want Shepherd?

JayDogger 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I can agree that we want Shepherd. jross, how many times have you seen him play? For me it's zero. I judge mostly on hype.

Alohahawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Regarding Parker's OAD status, one must remember he is a Mormon. And he hasn't ruled out the possibilty that he would leave for his one year religious obligation. Be that as it may, he'd be a OAD, whether he left for the NBA or for religious reasons.

jross1972 - Rain clouds? I'm not familiar with Jordan McKinney. He'd have to be a very good, quick leaper/shot blocker if he is 3" shorter (6' 7"?) than Shepherd.

As for the available scholarships situation, discussed by others: If McLemore is as good as Self has indicated, he could be gone after this season, or the next. I don't see him being around for his Jr. or Sr. seasons, much as I'd enjoy his continued services. I hope he proves to be as good as advertised. If so, that would create another open scholarship for those following season(s).

Redshirts this year: Probably not. Self needs to evaluate, under game conditions, whether a player will contribute in the long haul. And thus, use up a scholarship over a 5 year period. He has to see something he can help them improve at, to warrant keeping them around. There are advantages and disadvantages to both players and to the team's overall situation when shelling out redshirts to borderline players.

texashawk10 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Jabari Parker did make a visit to BYU this weekend so the Mormon factor is still in play for his recruitment. Parker also seems like a very grounded kid and does not have the ego of Xavier Henry or Josh Selby. If KU could land Jabari Parker, that would be huge get for KU for however long he chooses to play college basketball. He's of the few OAD caliber players who I can realistically see staying around for 3 years and getting a degree.

HighEliteMajor 8 months, 3 weeks ago

JayDogger: I think Randle is in play, but marginally. But I agree with you .. take Shepherd the minute he says he wants to commit, and guarantee him that he's the top big man of the class. I also agree that I'd bank the scholarship as opposed to a marginal, transfer-likely, depth guy. I'd hold it for some late gift that might fall into our laps (see Brandon Rush). If none comes, then just give the 5th one to Wesley for 2013-14 and it's free for 2014-15. We don't have any other scholarships for that season if we give out 5 for 2013, right?

Lucas is interesting. I've mentioned that I think it's likely that the loser in the Lucas, Peters, Traylor competition won't be here for 2013-14 if we land a top big in the 2013 class. Just numbers and playing time. I think that becomes even more likely simply because we have no scholarships (right now) that would come open for the 2014 class (assuming we don't bank the 5th one mentioned above).

If Traylor is the on short end of the stick, then maybe not since he would lose a year of eligibility by sitting since he's already sat one. But would you rather sit three years, or play two? I just don't see how all three guys stay if get a top guy (which none of the three are .. yet). After Europe, it seems that Peters is in the lead, Lucas next, then Traylor.

But do you think that makes Lucas the most likely to redshirt? If Peters is ahead of him, and Traylor can't? Or, possibly no redshirts this season and Lucas gets one in 2013-14 if all stay around? Lots of options.

Also I wouldn't think 4 and 5 spots -- meaning Lucas backing up Withey at the 5. I'd think 4 and 4a -- Jackson and Arthur. Meaning, we don't necessarily need a true center type. When Kaun came in, sure, that's a 5. Or Aldrich. Or Withey. Seems to me that Lucas is a 4a type that can play in space a bit, but I can't say for sure yet.

I just like the battle Self has created here. Survival of the fittest and great competition. Hopefully it will bring out the best in them. We already saw Adams prevail over Doyle in a TKO for a 2013 roster spot .. and the fight had hardly started. Who knows how that would have worked out over the season? I tend to think that only one of the three will be a big contributor this season, with the top two in Self's mind then being potential four year, Darnell Jackson-type players.

JayDogger 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Ha! A TKO for Adams indeed. HEM, you crack me up.

I don't think anyone will redshirt this year and I don't think Lucas will next year unless we land two bigs this year or maybe if Peters definitively takes a lot of minutes.

I see what you mean about 4 & 4a.

I know that we usually have a rotation of 3 post players but I think we may utilize 4 since we may lack any that are dominating like the lottery picks we've had for the last several years. Of course, maybe Self plays small and at times only have one Big on the court and take advantage of all the great perimeter players we have coming in.

All of what we are talking about assumes Ellis is pretty much a pure 4, which is what I've assumed all along. I know he's more of an NBA 3...but he's not in the NBA and I think those skills are a ways off from being honed.

As for Traylor... I don't see a transfer situation where he has to sit out. What I could see happening is that he plays limited minutes for three years at KU and is still buried on the depth chart. If on track academically, he could have his Senior Night, graduate and then transfer to a more perfect situation for one final year of eligibility. He could find a good/great program that needs his skills and experience of 4 years at KU. I think he could have a ton of options and end up playing lots of minutes somewhere respectable and finally be showcased. I also would not think less of him as a Jayhawk like I think most of us do of other transfer players. Of course, the jury is still out on all of these players as this season hasn't even started and the others are a long way off, but KU vs. SDSU is still hours away...

bennybob 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I would caution that two much of a dog-eat-dog culture amoungst a team can negatively impact team chemistry.

Often times its nice to know that these 5-7 guys are your A team and these 5-7 guys are you A team in training.

bennybob 8 months, 3 weeks ago

With Frankamp already locked up i think the PG scholie is ear marked for one player only: Barber.

The only way a 2 PG class makes sense is if one of those PGs is a OAD. the only OAD on our current list of targets in Barber.

I don;' buy into the talk that Frankamp can consistently play the 2 a 6'0" he'll be giving up 4-6" a night to whoever he's guarding which instantly makes him a defensive liability. there's no way self tolerates that mismatch.

Having that PG schollie go to anyone else but Barber would be a huge signal to the coaching staffs lack of trust in Tharpe.

Shephard is a great recruit, but he's not a guy that can step in next year and make an immediate impact. He's going to need some time(Think Jeff Withey). So if Shepard commits theres still a need for another big that can contribute solid minutes immediately next season, thats where Randle/Parker/Lawrence become a crucial get.

With that said I have two ideal end results here:

Frankamp Greene Barber Shephard Lawrence

or

Frankamp Greene Shephard Lawrence Glue Guy

I'd take Randle or Parker no doubt, but 2 OADs in a single class is too much turnover with everyone else that's graduating next year.

bennybob 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I too am excited about the offense possibilities the next few seasons. Bill Self could potentially be putting the best 3 pt shooting team in America on the court every night.

Everyone knows when you play Self your going to get a heavy dose of the Hi-Lo and your going to have to defend the paint if you want to win. With those shooters floating around the perimeter any help from the back court in terms of post defense is out the window.

Our bigs are essentially going to be playing a game of 2 v 2 all day just waiting for a perimeter defender to leave his man. It'll be very similar to the way the Morrii played with Brady and Tyrel.

Of course the key to this is going to be having 2-3 bigs that compliment each other well enough to win that 2 v 2 game and force the defense to start leaving the shooters

741hawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Sweet Dreams, Karviar

ralster 8 months, 3 weeks ago

nice

texashawk10 8 months, 3 weeks ago

If Karviar Shepherd does come to KU, history says he won't contribute immediately for KU. History says he'll play a little bit his freshmen season and then depending on how the roster shakes out, become a big factor in either his sophomore or junior years. I would love to see KU be able to land one of the elite bigs in either Parker or Randle along with Shepherd because Parker and Randle will be in the NBA by the time Shepherd is be a factor in KU's rotation. Also based on history, don't be shocked if Landon Lucas transfers after this season because only 2 players ranked above 100 have stayed until graduation under Bill Self and those two were a pair of kids from Kansas. Traylor will be an exception because he redshirted last year so he really can't transfer and Zach Peters low ranking is due more to him not playing AAU ball between his junior and senior seasons than it is to a lack of skill. Naadir Tharpe's development is moving along at a pace that is pretty much expected for someone of his ranking at a place like KU. He will be ready to take over as the primary PG for KU next season regardless of who KU brings in at PG this class.

JayDogger 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I know what you mean, but the exception is when there is a need. Markief Morris was ranked about the same and he got 15.6 mpg his freshman year as the 1st post player off the bench. Assuming Shepherd was the only 4/5 of this class, would Peters or Lucas or Traylor get more minutes than him? Would they start before him? Maybe, maybe not. I'm curious as to who would do the best on a jump-ball.

I would love to get a 5-star player to go with Shepherd but KU does not seem to be the trendiest place to play right now. And by that I mean we're in the 5-10 range of hottest recruiting. Somehow Arizona passed us for a bit...missing out on Tarc was a real bummer but, alas..

As far as Tharpe as the starter next year, that's what I was assuming but HEM and others have got me believing that Barber (or possibly another) could supplant him. Having Tharpe as the back-up PG or as a second ball-handler to go with Barber would bode well for KU.

I think during the last few years we were a more front-court-oriented team but perhaps we will become a more back-court-oriented team for the next few years. I'm sure HCBS will be able to put the pieces together and put the best team possible out on the court.

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

"I think during the last few years we were a more front-court-oriented team but perhaps we will become a more back-court-oriented team for the next few years."--JayShagsHimSelf

Why? Why? Why?

JayShagsHimself Syndrome strikes again.

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Settle down, kettle. Where's your "Penetrating, insightful, mind-quaking commentary" ?

JayDogger 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Because for the past few years our front court was a bit more dominating than our back court, as indicated by NBA drafts. (We had 4 future PF/C lottery picks on the same team). But for several years now we haven't recruited as many highly-ranked Bigs as perimeter players, and I think it will start to show.

Our guard recruitment is looking very good and we may have better 3-point shooting than in past years. Landing Barber would certainly make it more likely.

Or I could be wrong. Stating the obvious, 'bate?

jhawk613 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I'm starting to think the LJW staff just wants to rile up a few people.

They listed his choices as: Kansas University (not University of Kansas or Kansas or KU) Texas (not Texas University or University of Texas) Texas A&M (not Texas A&M University) Texas Christian (not TCU or Texas Christian University) Oklahoma (not OU or Oklahoma University or University of Oklahoma)

seriously? the other 4 are listed by just their basic name yet LJW feels the need to add "University" to Kansas.

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

This is the standard way of doing it. It's policy and it makes a certain logical sense given the ordering of our acronym, even though it's not the official name of the school as writ in the charter. This discrepancy has been pointed out by every poster in the history of this site. It's, in my opinion, somewhat better than having people call us UK, as Bill Clinton did once when he gave a speech in Allen Fieldhouse.

ZIG 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Jaybate, Boy, you are not having a very good wknd. You got baited into cheap, childish, name calling contest with troll yesterday, which resulted in multiple posts of yours removed. And today, you can't get anyone to fall for your cheap attempts to fight. Where us YOUR substance? Nobody wants to hear you go on and on about, what is and what is not, a proper post.

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree. Let's leave the pedantic post-critiquing for strictly interior monologues. Especially when they are so ironically misplaced.

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

ZIGGIE,

You don't seriously think I mind having a thousand posts removed to stand up to chumps do you?

You really are weak in the knees, Ziggie.

Man up a little, will ya? :-)

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

ROFL What's your name, big man? :D

I know you don't need me to point out the irony here.

(And yes, I know you weren't replying to my well-worded and completely appropriate characterization of your prior behavior; especially the pedantic part ;)

No need either for you to point out my ironies. I see them, I let them go. I've even waived my general distaste for using the same word so frequently :D This is just too amusing.

I await your replies, sweetheart xoxoxo, yrstruly Robin

baldjedi 8 months, 3 weeks ago

If we can get a quality big and pg personally this class should be done. We are deep at the wings and have a great 1-2 punch at Pf. Would love to see all this happen soon rather than the waiting game we've grown accustomed to, but as we have sometimes seen, good things come to those who wait. Also, hope Msnning does great.

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

ZIGman and Robin bringing it with the IMITATIVE FALLACY.

I FLIPPING LOVE IT!

Critiquing someone for critiquing some one's post!!!!

Holy imitative fallacy!

Logic is a necessary astringent in discourse. Get used to it.

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Look in the mirror. Imitation is right, but I keep it a terse reflection.

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Strike three, Robin.

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Listen. I enjoy your writing, but you've lowered your standards. Don't outsmart yourself, you're being sophomoric - the writing's on the wall. Thanks for caring, though. Maybe you'd like to conduct yourself with some decorum, less pomposity, and perhaps fewer astringents in your own rectal region :D

Oh, and by the way, you can keep your fallacies and, rather, keep rolling in the ironic piddles of my absurdum.

jaybate 8 months, 3 weeks ago

This just in from the Orwell News Service:

"We critique your post for critiquing JShagger's and jloss' posts." --ZIGman and Robin

Other Orwell Basketball News Service Headlines:

War is peace. Love is hate. Nude emperors are clothed emperors. Basketball is football. KU is MU. Fall is spring.

Robin Smith 8 months, 3 weeks ago

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/5-0l-tech/70880d1243631167-got-dumb-question-smartass.jpg

REHawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

HEM, very comprehensive posts today. I liked your tribute to Graves and the TKO alusion to Adams/Doyle. I have given considerable thought to the Doyle departure. Can't over criticize a recruit who craves more immediate minutes on the court. He represented insurance to the Jayhawks; the quick exit would indicate that he did not possess the tenacity demanded of a Bill Self player (such as Russ Rob or Tyrel Reed). Also, that Tharpe and Adams posed as formidable obstacles, which speaks well for backups at the perimeter this season. Doyle looks to possess enough game to do well in the transfer program where he landed. The Cat/Karviar duo would certainly offer the Jayhawks a super 2013 recruiting class, and would appear to set us up well for future pursuits of the big title. And, yeah, if we do recruit a quality big man for 2013, something might eventually give in the way of a transfer for a member of the Peters/Lucas/Traylor trio (though not necessarily). Gotta hope that Lucas can step up to offer Withey some quality relief minutes this season. You were right-on regarding our hopes that several potential starters would turn the corner last year, and that we were blessed to stay free of a major injury such as an ACL. Andrea Hudy probably played a key role in much of the physical good fortune. No surprise that she is right there on the bench, representing the sometimes unsung foundation of a very competitive highly rated national power which, for the most part, kept its top 7 or 8 players in splendid condition throughout a grueling schedule.

REHawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

Gotta hope that all newcomers are making optimal use of Hudy's knowledge and facilities. I wonder if BenMac has invested crucial time with her these past 15 months....

bennybob 8 months, 3 weeks ago

From the limited amount of pictures i've seen during the summer practices it appears BMac has taken Huddy's recomendations to heart.

He appears to have really bulked up in the chest/shoulder area and thats really all he needed. the kid already jumps through the roof i'd leave his legs alone!

REHawk 8 months, 3 weeks ago

One thing for dead certain, Ben must be a mighty hungry aspirant to get on the floor and show his stuff this season. Would love to see him play as a Jayhawk 2 seasons; but the stuff job he received from the league office might have nixed that possibility. A season and a half of fulltime play would have been terrific. Might have changed the outcome of that Championship game last April. If, if, if; if yer aunt had....

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