Wednesday, October 10, 2012

KU-Mizzou match-up in NCAA tournament wouldn’t shock Self


— Kansas and Missouri might be meeting again in men’s basketball sooner than anybody expected.

“The NCAA Selection committee has a strange sense of humor,” KU coach Bill Self said at Tuesday’s Coaches vs. Cancer fundraiser at the College Basketball Experience next to Sprint Center.

He was referring to the possibility of the longtime rivals being placed in the same bracket in the NCAA Tournament.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if it does happen because they are going to be really good in basketball and hopefully we’ll continue to be OK,” Self added.

The powers-that-be at KU, who are adamant about not scheduling former Big 12 partner/current SEC member Missouri, obviously could not prevent such a meeting during March Madness.

As far as regular-season contests ... they won’t be happening anytime soon.

“My feelings haven’t changed at all. I’ll miss playing them. I love the game. It’s my favorite game,” Self said of KU-MU.

“This is above my head, too. I’ve got a chancellor and athletic director and I actually feel strongly about it myself. We are not part of their future and they are not part of ours. ... I don’t see our stance changing. I don’t think Texas is going to play Texas A&M (which also left Big 12 for SEC this season). If they are not going to play A&M, why should we play Missouri or vice versa? Nobody from Missouri has contacted me about playing, not one person. I would think they would want to (play). They know it’s nothing personal. It’s just business. They make business decisions and certainly we can make business decisions.”

Missouri has made it clear the Tigers do want to schedule KU in hoops and football, too.

“This year I experienced people talking that it was the last time Kansas and Missouri would play,” second-year MU coach Frank Haith said of last year’s Feb. 25 meeting in Allen Fieldhouse. “That was an eerie feeling because we had such great games. I’m hopeful that in time, that won’t be the case. Usually all you need is just some time.”

Self and Haith had a funny exchange about the cancellation of the KU-MU series Tuesday on the dais before 1,000 or so fundraiser attendees. Self and Haith sat on the same stage with UMKC’s Matt Brown, K-State’s Bruce Weber and former MU coach Norm Stewart.

“I do think we can have rivalries and not be in the same league. We played Illinois when you were there, didn’t we?” Haith said, addressing KSU’s Weber, who indeed coached against Missouri the past nine seasons as the Illini coach.

“Memphis needs an opponent,” KU coach Self said, breaking up the conversation between the two and eliciting a roar of laughter from the fans.

There is another way KU and MU might be forced to play in the future. There are reports that the SEC and Big 12 are in preliminary discussions about a possible preseason challenge between league members.

“I know there has been some talk of that,” said KSU’s Weber. “I’m not sure exactly what will happen.”

“I don’t know how soon it’ll happen, if it’ll happen. I think our league would be very open to it,” Self said of an SEC-Big 12 challenge.

Juenemann on UMKC staff: UMKC coach Brown reported Tuesday that former KU walk-on guard Jordan Juenemann has joined his staff as a graduate assistant. “He’s a great person, very impressive,” Brown said of Juenemann, who is taking classes in business at UMKC toward an advanced degree.

Big man impresses: Self praised the preseason work of senior center Jeff Withey: “I really think he’s pretty good. I watched him today,” Self said. “He can block and alter about as well as anybody but he has to be a presence offensively. Last year he played off of Thomas (Robinson). This year, defenses will be designed to stop him.”


jaybate 1 year, 6 months ago

Of course, times are quite different now. Now southern red states and midwestern red states are united by net-federal subsidization (i.e., red states for the most part receive more Federal monies than they pay in taxes). And these red states achieve this net Federal subsidy by joining the Republican party which acquires these subsidies for the red state through the agri-energy oligarchy pursuing its agenda largely through the red states. Today the potential wedge issue that could threaten the red state alliance of the SEC states and Big 12 states is not race, but rather energy and infrastructure. The Big 12 states are thriving on energy production and energy distribution. The south is not. Next, the Big 12 states are bound together by the Super Corridor, and the SEC states are bound to the Mississippi River System, The TVA, the Tennessee Tom Bigby. Both SEC and B12 state rely on the Interstates and rails, so that's a wash. But the Super Corridor is a significant threat to the cargo business on the other Southern distribution infrastructures mentioned.

If the Democrats and Obama figure out how to drive the wedge issues mentioned through the red states, they can break the alliance.

If the Republicans and Romney figure out how to integrate the infrastructures of the red state coalition of the SEC states and the Big 12 states, they can cement the alliance for the rest of the century.

And the SEC and Big 12 can either merge, or just have really festive pre conference tournaments. :-)

Remember, schools like Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, and Missouri have made realignement choices NOT on optimizing football TV revenues.

Football TV revenues are a driver distinctly subordinate to political economic issues.

And political economic issues require election results to clarify and let participants choose what is best for their states and their vast nfrastructure and their tiny little athletic departments.

Rock Chalk!


jaybate 1 year, 6 months ago

A B12/SEC Challenge tourney, as a trial cooperative venture between the conferences, will also have to wait for the dust to settle after the election.

A trial cooperative venture makes a lot of political economic sense, if the Romney were elected, but not necessarily if Obama were elected.

Romney would help enable extention of the Northeast Spur of the Super Corridor because of his energy backers, if elected.

In a Romney era, enough pork could be spread around the SEC to make the SEC states support not only the Super Corridor spur up the Ohio Valley, but also a Super Corridor lateral from old Kelly AFB in Texas to Florida, which would link up with the pipeline to the LNG terminal in Grand Bahamas.

In such a climate, an alliance, or a merger of the SEC and the B12 could become very feasible.

If on the other hand Obama were re-elected, then the Obama Administration would spread pork in the SEC states in exchange for not participating in the Super Corridor. Obama's base is in Big Ten country. Obama's alternative to the Super Corridor expansion will probably be a dry canal from Chicago to the Mississippi River on the one hand, and possibly a dry canal from Lake Erie to NYC.

The fight for 21st Century control of distribution of import/export is shaping up as a stunning, polarizing battle, that might only be transformed to unity by a big, menacing war, in which the Federal gubmint trumps both axes of private oligarchy now struggling for control, by overlaying a massive national logistics infrastructure to fight the war.

The B12-SEC Challenge tourney is a little bubble on this sea change in infrastructure control. It is the kind of event that gets green lighted if the SEC states and B12 states become infrastructure allies, not if not.

An interesting historical footnote to all of this is that the southern/midwestern strategy that has been built in the red state regime of the modern Republican Party, and which would form the backbone of building a political alliance among the SEC states and Big 12 states, basically recycles a similar political spatial strategy pioneered by farmer reform movements of the late 19th century that then gave birth to the Populist Party. The Populist Party was largely a fusion of the southern farmers alliance that stretched from Georgia to Texas and the Oklahoma-Kansas small town shop keepers and farmers alliance folks. The Populist Party was effectively destroyed by driving the wedge issue of race through the heart of this southern and midwestern Populist fusion party.


Jack Wilson 1 year, 6 months ago

Had read James Young's comments .. here's a cut and paste:

Coveted 6-foot-6 swingman James Young (Rochester, Mich./Rochester High) will announce his college decision on Thursday, according to a tweet this morning by Paul Biancardi of ESPN's Recruiting Nation.

Young, ESPN's No. 5 overall recruit and No. 2 shooting guard in the class of 2013, will choose between Kentucky, Kansas, Michigan State and Syracuse and the decision will be aired live on on ESPNU.

"I'm just looking for my best college, the one that's going to get me one-and-done and give me the best opportunity to get out there," Young told recently.

One school appears to be the clear front-runner here, and it's probably not a shock which school that it. Evan Daniels of tweets: "... As of today, if it's not Kentucky, I'll be shocked."


notjustbread 1 year, 6 months ago

Bring on MIzzou...winner takes all the TV money...the losing school gets ZERO. Ticket sale money is ditributed by a proportion of the final score. KU gets 70% of the points on the scoreboard..we get 70% of the money. now that would be a fun game to watch us run the score up in. KU 90 - MU 45


Ralster Jayhawk 1 year, 6 months ago

Adidas contract was done by Lew Perkins because it put 25mil in the Athletic budget, AND it outfitted every KU team, while the 6mil Nike contract only outfitted basketball (mens+womens)+football. In business terms the Nike contract got ridiculously out-competed. The Adidas CONTRACT EXPIRES JUNE 2013. Im sure Adidas will sweeten the deal for one of its flagship contracts, and its up to Nike execs to see if they "can afford" to be competetive. Regarding Self's opinion: He said back in 2005 or 2006 that he wished we stayed with Nike because "they had better basketball shoes" (definitely true in 2005). I remember that statement well, and thought it odd since the Adidas deal was already done. So at that point in the pecking order, perhaps Bucknell/Bradley-Billy was left out of the loop. Obviously not the same situation now, and I'm sure with the recent face-off vs the nation's best recruiter (Calipari), with KU losing both, maybe Zenger approaches Bill and Charlie about whether or not shoe-affiliation makes a recruiting difference or not for the top kids. I think personally that it is a very marginal factor at best: when you are bustin your ass and upchucking toenails in the middle of bootcamp, and you are #2 on the depth chart, yet came in as a 4 or 5star recruit, you just might have second thoughts...or knowing that grind before you commit may make a "soft" 18yr old shy about "manning up" to the challenge. Think Selby vs. Tarc. One of them took the gauntlet and made a man's choice to take on Self's challenge. One of them did not. Tarc didnt stay remotely close to his home, in fact going twice as far from Massachusetts, so toss that reason. Cant be the co-eds, as not much difference between KU slendertenders and the AZ slenderbenders (both widely considered A-rated). Cant be the playing time, as Tarc would have battled Withey for starting, and been 1st off the bench even if he was 6th man (at least 20mpg). My guess is lazy, or just didnt want to get brow-beat. Even to the point of ignoring Self's ku-bigman-to-NBA success, so that reason is out. I infer, therefore, that Kaleb Tarczewski was too mentally soft for Bill Self's toughening box, and he knew it, so credit him for that recognition. Next.


yates33333 1 year, 6 months ago

Talk about understatements.

Inre. Withey. "I really think he’s pretty good. I watched him today,” Self said. “He can block and alter about as well as anybody."

Withey is more than really good, as a shot blocker he's great. This year he will be a scorer as well.


bradynsdad 1 year, 6 months ago

Seriously if there were no ESPN 100 or Rivals ranking system what would be said about Self and his recruiting? Nothing. Time and time again there have been I ranked kids dominate ranked kids, as well as OAD's who have failed miserably in the NBA while undrafted guys have became great. In my opinion Self doesn't get paid enough for the job he does.


ltownatrain 1 year, 6 months ago

The only way I see KU vs Misery in the tourney is either if misery really stinks one year or if it is in the Final Four....which means that misery has to make at least 1 final four first.

As for the SEC possibility I would have a hard time believing that the conference powers that be would rather see KU vs. Misery (with it's skewed all time record) over traditional powers KU vs. UK. I mean lets be honest here KU vs. UK would make far more money for both the Big 12 and SEC than KU vs. Misery. It has usually been the case that when conferences have crossover partnerships that the powerhouses play each other ala North Carolina vs. Mich St. etc....


Scott Smetana 1 year, 6 months ago

I just looked, they made the NCAA tourney just 5 times in the past 15 years! hahahaha!


Scott Smetana 1 year, 6 months ago

We never need to play those classless losers if it's our choice. That would only bring $ and attention to their pathetic, 0 final four program. Let Paige arena sit half empty. Let them be the cellar dwellers in football.

How many times have they even made the tourney in the past 20 years? I'm betting less than 10.


Tony Bandle 1 year, 6 months ago

Gee...and I thought it was for the best education...snicker, snicker!!


ku1otaku 1 year, 6 months ago

I don't know if they are necessarily picking based on the affliation...but they are definitely being funneled that way.


Benjamin Piehler 1 year, 6 months ago

Off topic, but are kids really picking schools based on their Nike/Adidas affiliation?


Tony Bandle 1 year, 6 months ago

Question of the Day:

Would you rather have a head coach that cheats, will always get away with it and is in the Final Four every year knowing that all other coaches cheat or a head coach who plays it straight despite knowing all other coaches cheating, runs a clean program and get to the Final Four every five or six years?

{Any similarity to real persons, places or things is purely coincidental]

Maybe not such a clear cut answer for some....just curious.


Alex Peekeaton 1 year, 6 months ago

James Young to announce college choice on ESPNU tomorrow at 5pm eastern...


Jason Keller 1 year, 6 months ago

Someone said in a previous article that there is something out there attached to Kansas that is turning kids off. Let's start with this video.....

It was made by K-state fans.


Tony Bandle 1 year, 6 months ago



Jayhawk470 1 year, 6 months ago

Of course, Mizzoodle would have to get past Norfolk State before a meeting would be possible.


jayhawks1009 1 year, 6 months ago

Wait, When did MU get a 16-seed?


William Blake 1 year, 6 months ago

KU - MU match-up?

Felt like I woke up with the stomach flu...

Our only gain from this match-up is financial so why not just license/sell Jayhawk bottle openers to make up the difference?!


juke4jay 1 year, 6 months ago

Ha - meet Mizzou in the NCAA tourney? To do that, they'd have to advance at least 2 to 3 games, and given past performance that is VERY unlikely! Like HCBS, I'll miss the games with the slavers during season, but they are the ones who sh** in their nest, and they now need to sleep in it!


bennybob 1 year, 6 months ago

I think Jeff Withey's improvement over last year will be the gauge by which the impact of Danny Manning's departure can be measured.

With Manning, everyone would be right in assuming a huge step forward in Withey's offensive ability. Let's see if we get that same improvement without him.


Ron Franklin 1 year, 6 months ago

I hope WIthey comes out confident and a man on fire from day one this year. He has the tendency to be too laid back and that takes away from his game. Last year we saw him shine when Tyshawn took him under his wing and helped him feel like the big part of the team that he was. For the first month, Jeff didn't act like he fit in with the team--on or off the court--then I noticed the change instigated by Ty. I'm nervous a little bit that Releford doesn't have the leadership or fire to get Jeff motivated like Ty could. Releford is just so laid back and cool. I think EJ has the ability--but in my opinion, he has proven to only be aggressive in spurts. EJ and Releford need to know they are captains of this ship and accept those responsibilities and duties right now. Ty was a natural at it because he has been the man of his house since childhood, and he already knew how to be a man and a leader. He already understood what it meant to have a family counting on him. Last year he lead his Jayhawk family to the doorstep of greatness.

What will our emerging leaders EJ and Releford do?


Lindsey Buscher 1 year, 6 months ago

“I wouldn’t be surprised if it does happen because they are going to be really good in basketball and hopefully we’ll continue to be OK,” Self added.

Ah Self-depricating humor at its best.


Lindsey Buscher 1 year, 6 months ago

It would have to be this year though because I don't see fizzou consistently making the tourney from here on out and we certainly aren't going to meet up in the NIT or the CBI.

I imagine the next matchup will come in the CBE Classic at the Sprint Center maybe like 10 years from now.


bradynsdad 1 year, 6 months ago

If the SEC and Big 12 schedule together than I guarantee KU would be playing Kentucky first and Florida second. Maybe Mizzou will win a game in SEC basketball because I don't think their football team will accomplish that task. Bruce Weber should know to keep his mouth shut, he will be the recipient of spankings for at least two years to come before be is fired.


hotrodm 1 year, 6 months ago

KU doesn't need to put Miz-Who on National TV. Unless they are playing in the NCAA tourney. Let MU basketball just fade away in a football conference.


Alohahawk 1 year, 6 months ago

Missery vs KU in the NCAA? Yeah. That's sounds about like what the tourney big wigs would do to create mega-bucks. But first, MU would have to make it past the first round, second round, third round ....... before they'd get to play KU. Unless they were unable to get a higher seed and ended up an 8 seed, or lower. You know. KU a 1 or 2 seed while MU is a 15 or 16 seed. Just rare any BCS team is given that low of a seed. Be nicer still to see them end up perennial NIT fodder.

As for the SEC vs Big 12 in BB? I'd go for an annual matchup between the two conferences, with one caveat: That KU would never be matched up against Missery, and rarely, if ever, against ATM.

And finally: "Memphis needs an opponent." The usual from Coach Self. Priceless! PHOF!


s6u6r6f 1 year, 6 months ago

Not likely. I mean, seriously, what are the odds of Kansas coming into the tourney as a 15 seed? And we know that historically missouli never gets out of that first weekend alive. Thus, it'll never happen. Rock chalk


minipman 1 year, 6 months ago

no one wants mu around anymore.. and of couse it would be KU luck to end up having to play them in the tourny


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