Sunday, October 7, 2012

Charlie Weis, KU football get back to work

Kansas running back Tony Pierson is yanked down by the collar by Kansas State defensive end Adam Davis during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 6, 2012 at Bill Snyder Family Stadium in Manhattan.

Kansas running back Tony Pierson is yanked down by the collar by Kansas State defensive end Adam Davis during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 6, 2012 at Bill Snyder Family Stadium in Manhattan.



Kansas running back Tony Pierson is yanked down by the collar by Kansas State defensive end Adam Davis during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 6, 2012 at Bill Snyder Family Stadium in Manhattan.

Kansas University football coach Charlie Weis claims he’s just like everybody else. He feels better after wins than he does after losses.

That’s why, following Saturday’s 56-16 stinker in Manhattan, Weis hunkered down in his office at the Anderson Family Football Complex and did not leave for six hours.

“The worse it is, the harder I work,” Weis said.

KU’s first-year head coach spent the majority of that time between 5 and 11 p.m. Saturday reliving the loss that dropped his Jayhawks to 1-4 overall and 0-2 in Big 12 play. He watched the game film two times through, each time breaking it down into offensive clips, defensive clips and special-teams clips.

“Normally, I wait ’til Sunday morning to do that,” Weis said. “But I didn’t want to wait ’til Sunday morning because I wanted to see, in detail, what happened.”

What he saw was not much different than he expected — too many mistakes on offense, too many breakdowns on defense and too much talent on the other sideline.

During Saturday’s postgame meeting with the media, Weis told reporters that the status quo would not be accepted. Sunday, he proved that was not just lip service by the way he ran practice. Instead of going through the normal load of film and field work, Weis watched the game tape with the entire team and then switched things up.

“I took everyone that’s gonna be on the team next year, and they practiced,” Weis said. “And anyone that’s not gonna be on the team next year, they ran and lifted.”

Weis told his team exactly what he was doing and why he was doing it, and it was development, not punishment, that he sought with the change of pace.

“You have to do two things here,” he said. “You have to develop your current squad, but you also have to develop your future squad. If you practice everyone who played all the reps in the game (Saturday), then you’re never developing anyone else.”

Included in that idea of dual development is the concept of how to handle the players who are eligible to red-shirt this season. Normally, Weis and his coaches have a pretty good handle on how that will play out after a just few games. But with the way things have gone so far, he ruled nothing out.

“We talk on a weekly basis,” Weis said. “It’s Week 5, but if we believe that Player X can help us for seven games, seven games is a lot of games now. So it’s still not too late to go ahead and get that player into the mix.”

Weis said he would make certain a player did not burn a year for what could be deemed “insignificant playing time.”

As for the overall rebuilding race, Weis said the Jayhawks had cleared the first hurdle of being in each game at halftime.

“Now we have to come up with a better way to get through the last 30 minutes,” he said. “It’d be easy for me to just say, ‘The players gotta do this, and the players gotta do that,’ but because the players haven’t done it now for multiple years, we, as a coaching staff, have to guide ’em through that, and that’s what I’ll continue to do until I get this thing figured out.”

Pierson just fine

There was some good news for the Jayhawks this weekend. Weis learned Sunday that sophomore tailback Tony Pierson was not expected to miss any time because of an injured elbow that kept him out of the final three quarters Saturday.

“The X-ray was negative,” Weis said. “Now, he had a sore elbow, but the way they were talking to me, I thought for sure we were talking an extended period of time. He actually went out there and practiced some (Sunday). That was a pleasant surprise.”

Through five games, Pierson leads KU in rushing (319 yards on 59 carries) and ranks second on the team with 198 receiving yards on 15 receptions. He also has scored three touchdowns.


Jayhawk470 1 year, 6 months ago

Meanwhile, one of CBS Sports' hack bloggers has completely misrepresented this story with a totally false take. It's almost like he WANTS to see Weis and the Jayhawks fail. He needs to be held accountable for this gross misrepresentation, and CBS Sports should also be held accountable.


RogersState80 1 year, 6 months ago



squawkhawk 1 year, 6 months ago

Here is why Weis will always be a decent coach but never a great one. "“The worse it is, the harder I work.” Snyder works hard every day, no matter how good or how bad it is, not just when things get bad. His recipe for success is to get better every day (yes he first coined this term that everyone now uses) and he and his players buy into his tireless work ethic and philosophy. I've yet to hear what Weis' philosophy is.


Geekinout 1 year, 6 months ago

I'm not too worried about the recruiting capabilities of Weis and Campo. I am, however, more fearful of their play calling and game management skills. Weis, still hasn't proved he's out from under the shadows of Bill Belichick and the recruitings of Ty Willingham. At Florida he had a boat load of talent and the results were average. I think a lot of Florida fans would be glad that he's our coach now. Sad! I'm hoping Campo can build a deep and stout defense that can keep KU in most games going into the 4th quarter.

At this point though, I'm glad we have both of these coaches trying to rebuild the program over someone like Turner Gill. Heard he struggled to win his first game at Liberty to a team that's 0-4. Good hire on that one though KUAD!! I honestly think we should have had Campo as the head coach and Weis as the offensive coordinator. I think the defense is going progress better in 2-4 years than the offense will after a few more recruiting classes.


Robert Brown 1 year, 6 months ago

Never understood brining in fifth seniors if you are trying to build something for the long term. The defense has been bad since 2007. These issues go back to Mangino. In 2008 and 2009, we had offensive talent that kept us competitive. We lost the skills offensive players when Mangino was let go and have not had a decent offense since. That is my biggest disappointment with Weis. He is viewed to be an offensive 'genius' and I expected the offense to be better. Of course, it is not his fault for the turnovers, but many people blamed Gill for turnovers last year. A bad hire can set a program back. I hope Weis is not a second consecutive bad hire.

The Big 12 is loaded and it is sad that we are orders of magnitude behind the worst teams. ESPN bowl projection this weak has all nine of the other teams in the conference going to a bowl.


danno1313 1 year, 6 months ago

How can this defense be this bad EVERY YEAR????????????????????????????????????? Pitiful!


vd 1 year, 6 months ago

Building a football program with 5th year seniors, is like building a house from the roof down.


Tony Bandle 1 year, 6 months ago

When you start a building from the ground up, the first thing you do is test the soil for bearing capacity, even before you pour one ounce of concrete or lay one brick.

That is what Charlie is doing this season. He is testing capacities. He is not so much evaluating was he has...he is evaluating what he DOESN"T HAVE. Thus he can put together a recruiting strategy that will be best for the team in the future.


hellohawks 1 year, 6 months ago

I think most of you are impatient like I would be. But, the reality is that you have to give any head coach, especially one at ku or ksu a minimum of 4yrs. to get things started to turn around in the right direction. Let coach weis get his recruits in from freshmen through seniors until any of you start jumping off a cliff. I graduated from ksu in 1995, am a die-hard fan, etc. But I root for ku in all of their games except when they play each other, cause it is a rival game. I would love to have this sunflower showdown be like it was in 1995 with both teams being ranked. That is what the state of kansas needs. My uncle, john stucky was an all-american nose guard for ksu from 1966-1970, and my step-dad, gary davenport was a stud linebacker for ku from 1966-1970. So, i root for both teams when they play other conf. opponents. I am sick of the entire football nation, especially the sec where i live bag on the big 12 and make fun of ksu and kus. It pisses me off to know end! Ku will turn it around, but the fans and administration have to give it time. Just like when snyder steps down, ksu fans and administration have to give the new coach time (unless its ron prince).


Robert Brown 1 year, 6 months ago

i'm guessing the current coaching staff will be able to recruit. The question is can they coach them up. Bringing in fifth year mercenaries has seriously backfired. By bringing in Crist and some other transfers Weis implied he would win this year meaning win the non conference games and a couple of conference games. Everything I read before the season made me believe this would happen but the performance and play calling on the field has been a disappointment.


Keith Hummel 1 year, 6 months ago

The final score of this game made it look just like the previous two blowouts, but in reality it was a very different game. We went toe-to-toe with the 7th ranked team in the nation for the first half, and with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter were very much still in it. That's very different from many of the games last year where it looked like we didn't even belong on the same field. I saw enough Saturday to be encouraged, but we obviously still have a long way to go.

The first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter was a microcosm of what's wrong with this team. After receiving the kickoff for the 2nd half, KU went 3 and out for virtually no gain with some very conservative and non-creative play-calling. Then Doherty kicks a below-average punt and KSU gets a better than average return (for a net punt of 4 yards). To make matters worse Doherty gets hurt on the play and struggles even more than usual for the remainder of the game. Then the KU Defense forces K-State to a 3rd and goal situation, has Klein trapped in the backfield, but Heeney forgets to cover the tight-end and Klein finds him. Hard to get on Heeney's case with the way he played, but his lack of experience cost us a touchdown on that play. Then we take the kickoff and start moving the ball again, only to have Crist make a lousy throw at the goal line to turn the ball over again. Nevertheless, after a huge play by the defense we are still only down by 12 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Then Parmalee fumbles the ball at our own 30. Our defense blows the next play, and K-tate runs the ball into the end-zone. The game was over right then and there. No way we were going to score 3 touchdowns and hold them scoreless on their field, especially with the inconsistency of our passing game.

Mistakes and turnovers (we committed 5 turnovers, they committed zero) were the difference in this game. We held our own with K-State, driving the ball on the 3rd best Big-12 rushing defense all game long, but we made too many offensive mistakes. Likewise, take away the big mistakes and blown assignments on defense, and we played pretty well against a very good team. And of course, no aspect of this team hurt us more on Saturday than special teams. With the notable exception of our kicking game, I think the pieces are there for KU to be good, but experience and consistency are sorely lacking. I don't how you correct those problems in the short-term. We just have to keep sawing wood, working on improving all the little things (in a Snyderesque way), and working on minimizing mistakes. If we do that, and the fans are patient, I feel confident we will be able to compete with K-State for 4 quarters in a year or two.


hammerhawk 1 year, 6 months ago

Obviously, from looking at KU's own recent past, it only takes a few really good players to make really big difference in the Win-Loss ratio. I'm fairly confident CW can get us those players. I'm looking forward to being in the stands on Saturday because I think Charlie is going to make some significant changes. Go Hawks!


AzHawk97 1 year, 6 months ago

Maybe head coach, offensive coordinator, and avid UDK reader Charlie Weis has too much on his plate. The head coaching job at the University of Kansas is challenging enough, but adding the offensive coordinator responsibilities to that makes it even more so. I hope that after this season Weis realizes this and finds someone to take over the offense. He may find it lets him do his head coaching job more efficiently and leave him more time for Twitter. It's not as though Florida has been hurt by not having his offensive genius on the sidelines.


Robert Brown 1 year, 6 months ago

Whether Weis was the right hire is now immaterial. Of course, he is going to give every chance to succeed as he should. The AD made the hire which some said wa risky and he knows that if Weis fails he fails. Weis does not have a good track record in either of his previous college positions and hasn't done anything in the first give games that he is making positive step.

While I agree that empty seats looks horrible on TV why stay if your team is being pounded. I sat though many NU games where we were out of by the beginning of the second quarter back in the 70s and opted to go to the Hawk or Wheel at halftime. I don't think my leaving affect the team's performance or makes me a bad fan.


Lucas Town 1 year, 6 months ago

Here is a novel concept. Give Weis his 5 years to see what he can do. We canned Gill after his second year, and countless other coaches get fired before their contracts run out. If we get rid of Weis before then our program will struggle longer than anyone will want to see. As long as we see improvement then I think we keep some stability in the program. I was excited with the energy our guys came out and played with on Saturday during the first half. I hope Weis in committed to KU and doesn't treat this job like a payroll service.


leonard 1 year, 6 months ago

Over the course of our last 31 games...we've won 5 times. In the conference we've won just twice in the last 3+ years.

To be competitive on a conference or national level it takes a squad with 40-50 quality players...and that's not something that Weis can fix in the 10 months he's been here.

Is Chuck the man to get the job done? Time will tell...but it's way too early to assess a grade on his efforts.


Tony Bandle 1 year, 6 months ago

When I herard the score at halftime, 21-14, I felt like, thank God...guys, get on the bus back to Lawrence before the second half starts!!

What's depressing is we are constantly being televised because Kansas is this year's DRK [designated road kill] for all the ranked BIG 12 teams. One possible positive is that high school and juco players will see our team and figure, "heck, I can play there right away!!"


Jason Keller 1 year, 6 months ago

Its like a bad record that just gets played over and over again. People say KU has the worst recruiting class in the Big 12. Go look at the juco players committed... They aren't given a ranking and aren't included in the class rankings. We have a DE committed who is the type of defensive lineman KU has never seen before, out of the state of Mississippi no less. We also have a committment from a LB who had offers from half the big 12 but says he wants to play for Dave Campo. If you want to talk highschool guys, look at the 2 corners we plucked out of Texas already...


HawkDigestCom 1 year, 6 months ago

Cummins should get a series or two each game from here on out. Not as a vote of non-confidence for Crist, but in the spirit of preparing for next year.


ChiJayhawk 1 year, 6 months ago

Don't forget CC players. They do not count toward your rankings but can be significant pick ups.


Janet Scott 1 year, 6 months ago

Santa Claus signed yesterday to play QB at KU. He will redshirt next year. Oh wait, he's already a redshirt!


BringBackMark 1 year, 6 months ago

Heard an interesting statistic the other day regarding the two starting QB's in last Saturday's game.... Both were in the same recruiting class, one ranked no. 3 in the country and the other ranked 116th in the country. Any idea which was which?

I put no stock in recruiting class rankings. Snyder has always had lower ranked classes than the elite teams. Having the ability to evaluate talent and develop players will ultimately turn the program around. We'll never rank ahead of Texas or Oklahoma schools in recruiting. Where does that leave us in the best recruiting year?


Doug Cramer 1 year, 6 months ago

741hawk - one problem...currently our 2013 recruiting class ranks dead last in the Big 12. So we can wait for Weis to get his recruits in...but I'm starting to wonder if he can really bring in some talent.


741hawk 1 year, 6 months ago

The coaching staff has excellent resumes and significant experience in this game of football. We didn't recruit much following Mangino's firing. Gill was not the recruiter most people thought he would be. This year's opponents have revealed the lack of comparative athleticism on this Jayhawk squad. And, we need a kicking game.

Solution: Believe in the progress we see this staff making and give them time to recruit. As painful as that is, the reality is that it will take alot of time to get to the level of even the middle-of-the conference foes in this tough conference. (Note: One positive is that the kicking game can be solved in one season!)

Hang in there. Support the players' efforts as long as they don't quit. Rock Chalk.


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