Kansas defeats San Jose State, 70-57

  • 8 p.m., Nov. 26, 2012
  • Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS

Tuesday, November 27, 2012

A ‘special’ feat: Jeff Withey records triple-double, helps KU top San Jose State

Kansas center Jeff Withey gets a long arm over a shot by San Jose State guard Xavier Jones during the first half on Monday, Nov. 26, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas center Jeff Withey gets a long arm over a shot by San Jose State guard Xavier Jones during the first half on Monday, Nov. 26, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.


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KU coach Bill Self talks after 70-57 win over SJSU

Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 70-57 victory over San Jose State on Nov. 26, 2012.

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Jeff Withey, Elijah Johnson and Travis Releford

Jeff Withey, Elijah Johnson and Travis Releford talk to reporters following the Jayhawks' 70-57 victory over San Jose State on Nov. 26, 2012.

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Jeff Withey set Kansas University’s single-game blocks record on the same night as he recorded his first collegiate triple-double — the second official triple-double in storied Jayhawk basketball history.

So which is more impressive and meaningful, the 7-foot senior from San Diego was asked, following KU’s 70-57 victory over San Jose State on Monday in Allen Fieldhouse?

“The triple-double,” Withey said without hesitation, “just because I’ve been wanting it awhile now. There’s only me and (former KU center) Cole (Aldrich) to have it. It’s pretty special to me,” he added after his 12-block, 12-rebound, 16-point effort in 35 minutes.

Withey joins Aldrich as the only member of KU’s official triple-double club. Aldrich had 20 rebounds, 13 points and 10 blocks against Dayton in an NCAA Tournament game on March 22, 2009, in Minneapolis.

Blocks, assists and steals were not recorded at KU until the 1970s and the NCAA until the 1980s. Research has shown Wilt Chamberlain had at least two unofficial triple-doubles and B.H. Born one.

Withey’s block total of 12 surpasses the old record of 10 blocks set by both Withey and Aldrich. Withey had 10 versus North Carolina State in last year’s NCAA Tournament Sweet 16 in St. Louis. Aldrich had 10 in that aforementioned game against Dayton.

“I had no idea,” Withey said of his block total, which hit the 10 mark when he batted a Xavier Jones shot with about eight minutes left. “I knew I was getting up there. I didn’t know I had 12, that’s for sure. After the game, C.T., our media guy told me. I was pretty stoked,” Withey added of the news being delivered by Chris Theisen, in charge of basketball media relations.

Withey had six points, six blocks and four rebounds the first half as KU led, 40-32, at halftime. His second half totals of 10 points, eight rebounds and six blocks (in 20 minutes) helped save the day as KU saw a 24-point lead (60-36) dip to seven thanks (64-57) in part to a 10 1/2-minute stretch without scoring a bucket.

“I thought Jeff was great. He won the game for us almost single-handedly,” coach Bill Self said. “He was the only one who played worth a flip. I thought Jeff was terrific. He’s getting where he’s scoring a little better. He was active. He was good at covering up for a lot of mistakes because we made a ton of them tonight.”

Teammate Elijah Johnson (13 points, five assists, four turnovers) marveled at the triple double.

“I am guilty of it, too. We get caught standing around watching Jeff like a fan,” Johnson said. “That’s when we have to snap back into it. He can’t do everything on his own. He saved us a lot of times. There were a lot of times I caught myself looking at him like I wasn’t part of the game, and it’s something that shouldn’t be happening with seniors, with nobody on the court. We’ve got to help Jeff. It’s a heavy load. We have to help him up. It’s a big help for us. We know if our man beats us off the dribble, he’s completed only half the task,” Johnson added.

Ben McLemore and Travis Releford added 13 points apiece for the Jayhawks, who did not impress Self.

“We sucked, OK?” he said. “We couldn’t pass it, dribble it or shoot it, screen it or rebound it. We didn’t do anything.”

Except for Withey, who, by the way, had one KU triple-double in an exhibition game — 18 points, 12 rebounds, 10 blocks in an 84-55 victory on Nov. 1, 2011.

That one didn’t count. Monday’s did.

Next up for KU is a 7 p.m. contest against Oregon State on Friday in Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.


Ethan Berger 8 years, 10 months ago

My issue with B mac is he is getting the Selby/Henry condition. He is settling for the three point shot. to be a great 2 guard at the next level is to be able to create your own shot. Pump fake, dribble, drive, just limit your 3 point attempts.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 10 months ago

this is more of an observation from all the games. He is behind the 3 point line shooting a lot. He is a good 3 point shooter, I just don't want that to become his game. What I noticed is when he drives, they double him. So if he can learn to hit the fade-way or to dish it, we could be more efficient on the offensive side. Three pointers where almost half his shots. While I do agree they were mostly good shots, sometimes a nice pump fake and closer shot is the way to go. That's how he will be able to close games for us. Withey was our closer yesterday, but it was from a defensive end, still don't have a guy who can put up those points.

dylans 8 years, 10 months ago

Did you not see the two athletic layups Ben made? There is no one else on the team that could have made those baskets.

Ethan Berger 8 years, 10 months ago

I saw them and that's what I want more of.

Scott MacWilliams 8 years, 10 months ago

Hey JW: Great game! I didn't get to see, but it sounds like you were on fire out there. It just shows what you can do when you crank it up!!! Keep on rockin' and keep on sockin' for the beeg treble el doble!!!

Rock Chalk, Jeff Hawk!!

KUFan90 8 years, 10 months ago

Did Withey make the "Stank Face" during the game??

KULA 8 years, 10 months ago

Great game by Jeff! Congratulations on the triple double--I'm sure there'll be more to come this year. And that sweeping hook across the lane was SWEET! I still don't think Jeff gets credit for every shot he blocks. Jeffey the Jefe, anyone, lol?

On another note, glad to see Bill actually instructing Naadir after one of his cross court pass/turnovers instead of just banishing him to the bench. I think Bill knows he's gonna need extended minutes from Naadir this season.

Also glad to see Jeff NOT hedging a guard above the 3pt line. Hopefully that "beat me to the hole" strategy has been retired for this season.

REHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

On a Monday night trek for a highly ranked team to bite the dust, the difference between UCLA and Kansas? Ben Howland is not coaching the Jayhawks.

RJ King 8 years, 10 months ago

Not the same. Those teams make regular appearances in the NCAA tournament. San Jose State and Cal Poly do not even make the NIT.

John Randall 8 years, 10 months ago

What you call a "history" hardly amounts to one game a year. Do you also keep track of the games when Pierce, LeBron, Kobe, Durant finish with single-digit points?

Can you be a little realistic in your comments?

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago


Every coach in the history of college basketball has been upset multiple times in regular season and in the NCAA. Therefore your assertion lacks meaning.

Now lets compare the two coaches.

Self wins 84% of the time at KU.

Ben wins 68% of the time at UCLA.

Self has won 10 straight conference titles at KU.

Ben has won 3 conference titles at UCLA.

Self has been to 2 Final Fours and won one.

Ben has been to 3 Final fours and won none.

Self has never won less than 23 games in a season at KU.

Ben has failed to win 20 four times and has been below .500 two of those times.

Self's employers have given him two contract extensions and have praised him extensively for doing it the right way.

Ben's AD said Ben lost control of his team last season and had not been recruiting the right kind of athletes to UCLA.

UCLA might make a change.

Here is a discussion of what is wrong with Ben right now from a UCLA fan's blog.

It isn't pretty.

BainDread 8 years, 10 months ago

What I find so impressive about Jeff's shot blocking is that his blocks often result in KU gaining possession of the ball. Many shot-blockers seem to be unable to resist the urge to swat the ball into the fifth row of the bleachers which usually results in the opponent retaining possession. Too bad Jeff doesn't get credited with a block and a turnover when KU gets possession, as he might get a quad-double this season.

chriz 8 years, 10 months ago

I hope Elijah becomes an analyst after his playing days. I always forward to his postgame comments. Dude's got some smarts.

chriz 8 years, 10 months ago

That's what I was thinking. Ideally (for him) sitting next to Chuck Bark and Kenny Smith on TNT.

actorman 8 years, 10 months ago

On a related note, can someone explain what happened with Chris Piper? I thought he was going to be the regular KU analyst alongside Bob Davis, but now he's back doing games on TV again. I've always liked him so I'm glad to see him again, but I'm curious about what happened.

Chris Shaw 8 years, 10 months ago

This team is completely opposite of last year's team. I stressed all last year that the Jayhawks shouldn't shoot more than 15 3 point attempts a game because of how poorly they were from behind the arc. Outside of the Purdue game (6-24 and almost lost) in the NCAA Tournament the Jayhawks were stubborn about working the paint and attacking the rim and that is what made them successful.

Despite last night's performance by B-Mac (0-7) from behind the arc, I actually believe this team has a shot to be a really good 3 point shooting. Take away KY's 2 desperate attempts and this Jayhawk team still managed only 16 attempts. I would say 15-18 attempts per game for this team is about right.

With that said, and I agree with the announcer from early in the game that this team goes where EJ takes them. The only problem with that statement is that I don't know if that is a good thing. From the day EJ arrived, he has always had an issue of not getting to the paint and attacking the rim. He has always settled for the jump shot. That's not a bad thing when you have someone on the squad (Tyshawn Taylor) that compliments you and is able to do all the dirty work for you.

The problem with this squad and IMO, it's going to be an issue all year (Just like last year's 3 point shooting leading up to the NCAA Tournament) is trying to find guys that can attack paint, get to the rim, and create for others in the crease. The only problem with that theory is that you can't just turn guys into attackers/slashers over night. Sometimes it never happens. You have to have the will, the desire, the skill, talent, and creativity to get in there and get your arms dirty, but I don't know if KU has a guy like that on their squad at the moment. Going to be interesting to watch. It really is amazing from year to year how different teams play and look. I love it!

Chris Shaw 8 years, 10 months ago

EJ is a smart kid and says all the right things, but he's thinking way too much out there. It's okay to have a turnover every now and then now that he's a senior. He needs to take his own advice and put pressure on the "D" and create something outside of the normal flow of the offense. That's what drove us so crazy about TT, but he did make things happen.

Joe Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

It wasn't fun to watch the misses, but if you're going to shoot treys, this is a good game to shoot. He actually came to KU as a fair shooter from the arc. We need to develop his long range. It would be nice to have a big that can step out and drain 2-3 treys per game. KY is the only "big" that can even attempt those arc shots. KY and Mario Little are somwhat similar role players. Self had MLil' in the 4 slot and his true position was the 3 in juco. I never thought Mario was complete in the 4 at KU.

Funny, most were saying the same about Rel too. You don't tell a shooter to stop shooting. Why not tell BMac to stop shooting? Now, if it were Withey or JTray, your point would be perfectly made. I say Shots Away for KY and develop that weapon. If we can get EJ, BMac, Rel, Tharpe, and KY fairly consistent on any given night, KU will be dangerous.

Chris Shaw 8 years, 10 months ago

BTW, Does Joel Embiid play volleyball? I think we need to get Ray Bechard on the Embiid volleyball tour very very soon. Withey's volleyball history seems to have really helped his timing and defense prowess over the years.

Joe Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

BigMan- I believe JoJo played some farily serious volleyball. I remember thinking about how it helped Withey's shot blocking skills. I loved Withey's block that purposefully directed the ball toward half-court and a score. It's one thing to block, but a totally other to place your blocks in areas for your team to score on breaks. It's an art. I just wished JoJo could've played with Withey for a season. This would've kept the big man line of Manning's influence alive.

Marcia Parsons 8 years, 10 months ago

I suspect Self is hoping to get Naadir to the place where he can play point and EJ can go back to his natural 2 guard position. He keeps complaining how slow we are playing, and that's EJ. He's very deliberate when setting the pace, and so we end up plodding along. Naadir has the speed, but just doesn't have it all together yet. I do like to see them both on the floor at the same time, but Naadir is still making some bonehead passes. Hopefully it's just nerves that will go away as he becomes more confident. He's much better than last year, so he's making progress.

Joe Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Tharpe seems distracted for some reason. He seems a little shaky with most of his shots. He's lost something from his AAU talent.

flyingfinn 8 years, 10 months ago

If Withey continues to become more consistant with his sky hook he will be unstoppable. Great game Jeff continue to be aggressive!!!!

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

"Tuesdays in the Morning with Bill, or Seeing the SJSU Win Half Empty and Half Full"

Part 1

~Half Empty:“We sucked, OK?”--Bill Self

Half Full: We won by double digits shooting 22% from trey with a gimp for a point guard and reacting softly to getting bullied the second half.

~Half Empty: We played like 3rd and 4th grade YMCA teams, no ball reversal.--paraphrase of Bill Self

Half Full: After the second exhibition game, Self said the team "...played like little babies." This means the team has progressed from infanthood to early childhood by late November, which is not bad considering the number of new guys in the rotation.

~Half empty: EJ didn't take control until it was almost too late.

Half full: EJ did took control just before it was too late.

~Half empty: Kinney lit us up for 30.

Half full: Before Travis was switched off Kinney, he locked him down.

~Half empty: Travis was inactive offensively the second half.

Half full: Travis was active offensively the first half.

~Half empty: Ben Mac seemed to create a lot of not very good looks for himself.

Half full: Ben did create some good looks early.

~Half empty: Ben's off ball defense and rebounding quickly recede when he is called on go get some baskets.

~Half full: Ben's off ball defense and rebounding are good, when he does not have to go get some baskets.

~Half empty: EJ's activeness which had been trending up, trended down.

Half full: EJ tweaked his knee, so if it resumes a healing process, we should see his performance trend go positive again.

~Half empty: Damned scary thinking that Naadir could be our starting point guard very, very shortly if EJ's knee deteriorates from here.

~Half full: Naadir keeps getting a little better each game, despite the continuing defensive lapses and his nervous response to defensive pressure and contact when on offense.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

Part 2

~Half empty: AW3, wearing knee quilts and shin quilts, and looking like he had just come from a Virginia quilting bee, instead of the KU bench, got out on a break away.

Half full: AW3 now appears to have been injured (shin splints? knee?) and is maybe on the road to recovery, though it would appear not necessarily an immediate recovery.

~Half empty: Zach Peters, a good prospect, has departed apparently for good, and could create a hole in our team next season.

Half full: This should make our available PT next season even more attractive to certain prospects that might fill the hole created by Zach's departure.

~Half empty: the 4 committee was not very productive for the second game in a row.

Half full: Kevin finally pulled the trigger a few times, missing badly, but he needs to miss a few in order to start getting comfortable shooting from top of key, which this offense requires, in order for him to have some opportunities a lane drives.

Half empty: Perry Ellis is still vascillating between exploding out of his position and staying in his crysallis; i.e., playing too closely within his position.

Half full: Perry has progressed from playing only within his position and by January, after quite a bit more lawn mower exposure, is becoming reasonable to think he will come out of the crysllalis.

~Half empty: San Jose State started roughing KU up in the second half and revealed the team is still not used to D1 contact, much less the XTReme Muscle to come.

Half full: It fought through the roughing up and got it done, and now has a reason to ask the coaches to teach them how to deliver blows D1 style, so they don't get sand kicked in their faces any more.

~Half empty: Jeff was not fighting for offensive position the first half.

Half full: Jeff fought harder for offensive position the second half than I have ever seen him fight, did so against increasing double and triple teaming, and it seems like the light may have gone on in him about how hard he has to play on offensively to be an effective center for the team.

John Randall 8 years, 10 months ago

Uh, jaybate, you missed the little squiggle on one of your Half empty:s. ~But, at least you didn't stick one on any of the Half full:s like you did in Part I, so the overall result is within margin of tolerance.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

And, yes, I wrote "upagain" just for you.

Either way, tolerance becomes you. :-)

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

Part 3

End note: Yesterday, before the game, I used a forge as a metaphor to imply the team has only just begun to be forged. The young players are only now getting just barely good enough to hear the awful truth about how much better, tougher, harder, and effective they have to become. The next month is going to be a blast furnace during practices and games and anyone that can't stand the heat, may as well transfer now. Because when the screeching, demanding person in Self is unleashed, it is aimed both at demanding players get better, but also at pushing them to their breaking points. There are so many young guys, some of them may break. But as we witnessed last night, Self dare not send the team at its present level of hardness into the Big 12 conference season for the players' own goods. If SJSU can rough them up as badly as they did without our guys retaliating, our guys are choir boys being sent into Cage Fighting. Self implied as much, when he chastised the big men for not looking out for AW3 getting clipped on the breakaway. And by big men he was saying, I know you guys are a bunch of skinny minnies, but you are the biggest guys we have, so its time to man-up.

In short, lots of growing yet to do, but the team keeps finding ways to win. The Prophet's knee seems to be in god's hands now. Without EJ, this will be the riskiest KU season in a long time, but great risk and necessity are the mothers of invention, not Frank Zappa.

Rock Chalk!!!

HawkKlaw 8 years, 10 months ago

Haha, this was good. Especially the end note. Time to see some ferocity!

HawkKlaw 8 years, 10 months ago

Nicely done, JW! We've had scads of amazing post-players here at KU and he's one of two who have ever recorded an official triple-double. He deserves a pat on the back.

And he deserves an even bigger pat on the back for being the only reason KU got the W last night.

Joe Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Rel is getting his senior groove and confidence.

VancouverHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Well, it looks like Peters is leaving KU because of his injures; I wish him all the best. He would've been a great player at KU, but his health is obviously more important.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 10 months ago

My total sympathy and prayers for you, Zach,

At least it isn't the dire rumor that was being spread around Lawrence that it was a brain tumor.

I, like so many other of you previous posters [ahperse not withstanding] wish you only the best, thanks for your efforts and Jayhawk devotion and please get have a lot of life ahead. .

Tony Bandle 8 years, 10 months ago

Here is a list of last night's GOOD. 1] Held the opponent to 29% shooting. 2] We were two baskets away from all five starters in double figure scoring. 3] Jeff's triple double and fire in his eyes. 4] We won the game.

Here is a list of the BAD. 1] The Hawks were outrebounded in Allen. 2] Kansas blew two huge leads. 3] Watching Elijah try to run. 4] The most inconsistent second half I have ever seen. Held the opponent to no baskets for like 8 minutes then we don;'t score a basket for about the same length of time.

Here is a list of last night's UGLY. 1] Perimeter defense was either on or off. 2] Perry's efforts in the low post as he tried to score. 3] Jeff's face as he reacted after that horrible out of bounds call. 4] The third cheerleader from the right..just kidding..that was a guy!!

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago


Part 1

There are two answers to the question in the title. One is simple and obvious. The other is less simple and less obvious, but at least partly revealed by stats.

The obvious answer is KU has played mostly so-so teams with less talent than KU.

But the obvious answer does not explain how KU hung in against Michigan State, which probably had about the same amount of talent and experience, as KU, and which KU had beat until cracking late. How does a team that doesn't look very good hang in and win, or come close, against all the teams it plays, especially when KU is only shooting 29.6 percent from trey, lost its only muscle man in the paint, Zach Peters to injuries, and is starting a point guard with a bad knee, and its star recruit, Perry Ellis has yet to find the explosiveness button?

Self and staff must be up to their old tricks again--finding ways to win noone thinks about much.

When a team is winning, but "looking" bad doing it, it is worth drilling into the statistics to see what it is doing right, certainly before panicing and calling for changes.


Stingy Inside Defense: KU holding opponents to 34% FG overall, means our bigs, though skinny, are making it tough to score inside.

Above Average Perimeter Defense: KU holds opponents to 34% from trey. Our L&As, gimpy though EJ has been, and shaky as Naadir has been, are making 3 point shooting a chore for opponents, too. Credit Travis, Ben and EJ for using their length effectively. Credit Naadir for getting a little better and for the others lending him help.

"Good Enough" Inside Offense: At 44% FG, KU is not as efficient scoring inside as recent teams, but it is "good enough" SO FAR given our defense at the other end. I put good enough in quotes, because all strategy involves trade-offs and so net benefits. I capitalized SO FAR, because competition has been decent but not stellar. Regardless, Self wants more scoring out of the 4, of course. But he's strung the bow to minimize opponent's inside scoring and outside, too. This is creating a substantial net advantage for KU, even if the team is not as efficient as other teams on offense, as a result.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

Part 2

Getting More FTAs than Opponents (KU 130 FTAs, Opponents 80): This is the most interesting strength of all to me. No one seems to be challenging at the rim much. Our perimeter guys seem not to get in the paint much. There aren't a ton of flashy dunks and alley oops. So what is going on here? I believe Self may be finessing something here. Despite having a team full of guys that can dunk till dawn, KU's players are taking a whole lot of "non-dunks" within the arc and getting fouled doing it. Withey, Ben, Travis, Young and Perry seem masters at "shooting and getting fouled" rather than "dunking and not getting fouled. I sense Joe Dooley's quantitative mind behind this tendency. My hunch is he was parsing data every which way in the off season, looking for edges and he discovered something that had been being overlooked. One is more apt statistically to get a foul call on a "shot" rather than on a "dunk." He probably told Bill. The staff probably skulled. They decided that since many on the team were often not strong enough to dunk anyway, they are being coached to dunk only when wide open, and to "shoot" close in, and get a foul. All the players mentioned are rather meticulous about getting their non follow through hand up in "getting fouled" position.

Solid Edge in Defensive Rebounding: Though this team often looks pretty soft on the glass, the truth is they are beating the snot out of opponents on defensive rebounding (KU 229, Opponents 207).

Huge Edge in Protection (KU 73, Opponents 90): This is probably the most surprising strength considering the team is so young, and EJ and Naadir often look so tentative. But EJ is near 2:1 A/TO and Naadir is over 2:1, so these guys deserve some respect, even if they aren't "touching paint." Maybe touching paint is over rated. Maybe protecting counts for more, if you have to triage between the two.

Stunning Advantage in Assists: KU has 88 and opponents have 50. This one just bumfuzzled me. I thought sure we weren't getting many assists. Wrong. Its a strength.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

Part 3

Stunning Advantage in the Disruption Stat: The disruption stat is my stat, so I always have to define it for board rats. It is: (steals + blocks)/TOs. Anything over 1 is good. Anything under 1 is bad. Good means you're disrupting them more than they are disrupting you. Bad means the reverse.

Blocks: KU 60, Opponents 18 Steals: KU 43, Opponents 33 TOs: KU 73, Opponents 90

Disruption Stat: KU 1.41, Opponents 0.56

Self's teams have always tended to hold the edge in the disruption stat, but I don't think any KU team has held this magnitude of an edge before.

The disruption stat is to a great extent compensating for our several weaknesses.

Weaknesses So FAR:

Horrible Trey Shooting (KU 29.7%): Its like every game is one of those early round upsets by a Bucknell, as far as trey shooting goes. Elijah with a bad knee is leading our trey shooters with 39% accuracy. EJ deserves a flipping medal for learning to shoot on one leg. Ben Mac is the big, no gigantic letdown. He is shooting 24% from trey. If he keeps this up, I would say it is unlikely that he will jump. :-) Ben's FT shooting is messed up to 61%. But he will probably get it going sometime. Travis is suffering frost bite as well at 30% from trey. Naadir? 29%. AW3? 40% outside on 5 attempts. But only 33% over all. Ugliest trey shooting team in Self's entire tenure bar none. This team makes Mario,, Sherron, Xavier, Brady and Tyrel seem like they were trained marksmen from the SEALS. This team is a horrible trey shooting team. So far. Surely they can't stay this bad. That would be a statistical anomaly of epic proportions. But anything is possible in a probabilistic world. :-)

Up and Down Offensive Rebounding (KU 64, Opponents 67): I thought we were way behind in this category before looking. But we aren't. I hesitated putting this in, because KU is so close to even with opponents, but the opponents haven't been very good, so it needs to be in there. Also, I couldn't find a stat for stick backs, but it is my believe that it is marginally possible this team has not had a single stick back yet. Its like the coaches have not yet introduced the team to the concept of stick backs. :-)


KU is winning the old fashioned being good at the little things, while Jeff runs around swatting everything in sight and juicing up our Disruption Stat.

Frankly, if KU finds the range from trey, Kevin and Perry can start potting a few shots from the top of the key (so as to open up easy lane drives for themselves), and EJ's knee returns to a positive healing trend, and the team keeps doing all of the little things right, the team is by January going to be very tough to beat.

I can hardly believe I am saying this, but this is what the numbers say.

KULA 8 years, 10 months ago

Wow, that's a lot of verbiage for what is actually the most obvious answer to your question. KU is winning despite not looking very good because we have the opposition way overmatched at every position on the floor. We SHOULD be winning these games, even if we don't play our best game. We lost the one game against comparable talent. Jeff's breakout the last three games has come against no opposing big who could be described as a "presence." Still, I hope this builds his confidence when he does go up against more of an inside presence.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago


What ever am I going to do with you, if you only look at the words, but don't read them? :-)

"There are two answers to the question in the title. One is simple and obvious. The other is less simple and less obvious, but at least partly revealed by stats. The obvious answer is KU has played mostly so-so teams with less talent than KU."--jaybate

Now, KULA, repeat after me:

"I, KULA, will stop just looking at the words jaybate writes and I will start reading them, because he truly wants to help me get better."


KULA 8 years, 10 months ago

FINALLY Jaybate, you are right about something. I don't read your posts.

kufaninmo 8 years, 10 months ago

does anybody read his posts? no offense to the guy but the posts are WAY long (twss).

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago


How would you know whether I am right, or wrong, about anything, if you don't read my posts, or as appears more likely, look at the words as a baboon might stare at a television? :-)

Joe Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

With all due respect to Zach we now have 5/5 spots '13. We have three possible bigs still in the hunt. I'd like to get some board insight with this unfortunate change for Self and Co.

Wiggins - UK/FL St ? FSU commit may sway Randle to uk? Randle- ? Johnson - FL/Gtown? A G'town commit may sway Randle to FL?

Ideally, Wiggins to uk, Johnson to G;'town, and Randle to KU. Maybe Wiggins uk, Johnson KU, and Randle FL Unlikely, but possibly remote Wiggins KU, Johnson G'town, and Randle to uk Worse case: Wiggins uk, Johnson G'town, and Randle FL - Life Goes On

FarSideHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I think our best chance is with Randle, then, Johnson, then Wiggins.

I know a lot of people are proclaiming Wiggins to be the best prospect since Lebron, but same people were saying that about Jabari Parker a few months ago as well.

We need someone to play the 5 (or 4a) next year. I like Dakari's size the best and I think he will be the best complement to the skills and finesse that Perry will bring to the paint next to him.

If we lose BMac to the NBA, then Wiggins would move to the top of my wish list, as he brings that freakish athletic presence and multi-position option to the team.

I don't think we can go wrong with any of the three, but we definitely need to upgrade the talent level at the post.

Tony Bandle 8 years, 10 months ago

truehawk93..let me weigh-in.

With Zach leaving that leaves a "big body" opening this year....don't be surprised if Landon returns to the court.

2013-14 Scenario: Jeff graduates, Zach has left. Landon then redshirts. Jo Jo arrives, but that leaves a huge gaping playing time hole for someone big, someone strong, someone with defense and offense, someone whose initilas are J.R.

I think the recruiting landscape has changed dramatically for Kansas.

Landon can bang on Jeff this whole year and contribute his five fouls. Next year, he can redshirt, bang on Jo Jo and Julius and then turn "monster in 2014-2015.

Maybe I'm way off, but I think our chances of getting Julius just doubled

FarSideHawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Oakville, I agree. I think Bill Self has the best sales pitch to Randle and Dakari now about playing time.

Jonathan Allison 8 years, 10 months ago

Ironic how Zach Peters' unfortunate and untimely departure has openned the door for Randle to commit to KU when it has long been suggested that Peters' commitment to KU was intended to sway Randle to choose KU for the opportunity to join forces with his former HS teammate.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

Good points.

The scary difference is that part of our problems now hinge to significant degree on EJ's knee condition that has already been operated on, whereas Tyshawn's was something that could be operated, cleaned up and recovered from rapidly.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

Self apparently says Zach is leaving because of an accumulation of injuries, in particular 4 concussions during the last two years. Self says that if Zach were his son, he would have him withdraw from sports to avoid another concussion.

Yet Self apparently has been waiting around for Zach's rotator cuff to get better in the hope that he might return to playing, though the more time passed the more Self said he did not see how Zach could catch up this year.

These two positions seem contradictory.

Next, Zach apparently says he is withdrawing to heal and he does not plan on playing sports in the "near future."

This suggests that Zach is leaving the door open to a return to sports sometime beyond the near future.

Does anyone understand why Zach did not take a medical red shirt and reassess his situation at the end of next summer?

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago


Also, I appreciate you taking a stab at it and these seem like reasonable speculations and I agree that it is best let it go from the stand point of it being a done deal.

I am not wanting to pry into Zach's private life, or Self's off-camera professional life.

I just thought there might be a practicality to not taking a medical red shirt that might explain it that I did not grasp.

By practicality I mean does he avoid burning a year of eligibility by not taking a medical redshirt, or can he transfer without loss of eligibility by dropping out now, or something else.

What their personal reasons may be ought to remain personal, especially if there are problems among them.

Regardless, thanks for responding.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago


I don't want to know exact whens and whys.

I wonder if anyone understands why Self, Zach and his family didn't just go the medical red shirt route, which is so obvious a choice, as to marginalize the one they made, assuming all remained happy with each other.

jaybate 8 years, 10 months ago

Some how I got these posts in reverse order, konkey. My apologies.

Marcia Parsons 8 years, 10 months ago

I certainly don't know the answer, but from the statement by Zach that was released, it appears that he will stay to the end of the semester and then go home. He said he had no plans to play sports "in the near future." That probably means when or if he is finally well. Until then he will just continue his education.

bradynsdad 8 years, 10 months ago

Thought I would throw this out there. Reports from some ESPN people are saying B1G looking at UNC,Virginia, Ga. Tech, Notre Dame and Kansas. Wants 2 of those five. Apparently they have been sending out "feelers" to those schools.

RedHedTed 8 years, 10 months ago

I don't know if anyone's brought up this stat already, but its pretty amazing (granted its still very early in the season)...

Withey thus far has amassed 37 blocks, while only committing 5 fouls, which gives him 7.4 blocks per foul committed....that's CRAZY!

ameraidi 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree with coach self that the guards need to step up. I'm 100% confident that they will in the next couple of weeks.

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