Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Under the lights: Unproven Jayhawks face tough test against Spartans

KU sophomore Naadir Tharpe, left front, gets his team together in the final minutes against Southeast Missouri State on Friday at Allen Fieldhouse. KU defeated SEMO, 74-55.

KU sophomore Naadir Tharpe, left front, gets his team together in the final minutes against Southeast Missouri State on Friday at Allen Fieldhouse. KU defeated SEMO, 74-55.


— The Champions Classic, which is in the second year of a three-year run, calls together powerhouse programs Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and Michigan State to take part in a one-day, early-season, best-of-the-best, made-for-ESPN doubleheader.

“It’s a great deal. The concept is great. The concept is terrific. We’re happy and proud to be part of it, absolutely,” said KU coach Bill Self.

Actually the only problem with the Classic, which today pits No. 7-ranked KU against No. 21 Michigan State at 6 p.m., in the Georgia Dome, and Duke against Kentucky about 8:30 p.m., is two of the four teams must take a loss — a trade-off for the great exposure.

“This is a huge game out of the gate for us, much like the Kentucky game was in the Garden last year. But we weren’t quite ready for that,” Self said of a 75-65 loss to the Wildcats in the 2011 Champions Classic in New York’s Madison Square Garden.

“Now the question is ... how are we going to play in the Georgia Dome?” he added of the 26,000-seat (for basketball) domed stadium, site of the 2012 Champions Classic event as well as the 2013 Final Four.

“Last year we go to the Garden and Thomas (Robinson) struggles his butt off to score 10 points (11 points, 12 boards) and isn’t any good. Our only offense was Tyshawn getting fouled in the second half (Tyshawn Taylor had 22 points courtesy of 15 of 17 foul shooting). It was awful. That team ended up being pretty good but we were awful early. This is just something I hope we are ready and prepared because with our young kids you never know until they get out there. I think we have got a couple that are ready to go.”

The Jayhawks are facing a Michigan State team that fell to UConn, 66-62, Friday, in its season opener in Germany. The game served as the debut of freshman point guard Gary Harris, a 6-4 McDonald’s All-American out of Fishers, Ind.

MSU, which returns four of its top six scorers from a (29-8) Big 10 co-champion/Sweet 16 team, also starts a sophomore in 6-6 Branden Dawson, juniors in 6-10 Adreian Payne and 6-1 Keith Appling and a senior in 6-9 Derrick Nix.

“I think it’s great to play a tough opponent. I really do,” Self said. “I do think all coaches wish you had another week or two to get ready. Look at last year,” Self added. “Four of our first five are Kentucky (loss), Georgetown (win), UCLA (win) and Duke (loss). That would probably be too much for this team. It’ll give us a great gauge of where we are at. Certainly it’ll help Michigan State as well.”

If the Jayhawks are to defeat the Spartans to even their record at 1-1 in the Champions Classic, they likely will have to overcome the size and physicality of 6-10 Payne and 6-9 Nix.

“They keep you off your spot,” Self said. “They are big at the 3 (small forward) with Dawson, who can play the 4 (power forward). I anticipate them being the same as always — running really fast from defense to offense and rebounding as well as anybody in the country. It’ll be a big challenge getting on the glass. How can we slow them down when they come at us? That’ll be the biggest key to the game. How can we eliminate them getting easy baskets?

“Michigan State will expose us if we don’t play well because they’ll make us be an execution team since they don’t give up easy baskets. We’ll try to figure out how tough we are in rebounding, going for loose balls. They are great at that and take pride in that. It will be interesting to see how our young guys react under the lights too. It’s one thing to play at home and be nervous. It’s another thing to go on the road and have to do it somewhere else. It’ll be a great experience for us.”

KU senior Travis Releford thinks the Jayhawks old and young will handle the pressure just fine.

“Coach brought it to their (freshmen) attention. He said, ‘You think you are nervous before 16,300, wait until you get in an arena with 30,000; how you will react to it?’” Releford said. “The only thing I can really tell our young guys is stay focused and do what we’ve been working on. I’m excited. Our young guys are excited. Playing our second game before that many people in that kind of environment against that kind of team, it’s good for us.”

“I think the freshmen will react pretty well,” noted frosh guard Ben McLemore, who will start along with fellow rookie Perry Ellis. Red-shirt frosh Jamari Traylor is one of squad’s key reserves. “I think everybody is ready to play. Everybody is excited. I think this game will help us in the long run.”


Ethan Berger 8 years, 11 months ago

Either this is the coming out party for B Mac or we have to wait for conf play like Withey last year.

Hawk_Star 8 years, 11 months ago

Don't settle for the 3 point shot, Hawks! Guards need to attack the basket and get to the line!

Bobby Burch 8 years, 11 months ago

Agreed! BMac, Johnson, Tharpe and Relly all have the ability to attack the basket with high percentage chances of finishing with a bucket or foul. I really hope our offensive aggressiveness takes the form of shots in the paint.

Rock Chalk!

Alohahawk 8 years, 11 months ago

IMHO, the key will be how well our guards protect the ball and keep MSU's fast breaks to a minimum. Also, will KU penetrate the paint and not get lazy, just jacking up 3's like they did against SEMO. If KU attempts over a dozen 3's, they could be in trouble. Over the last few seasons, that seems to be a key on how KU loses games - really poor 3 point percentage. They get a few points behind, and KU gets lazy or in a hurry and forgets where their bread and butter is - in the paint. (With an exception being the lose to UCLA in the NCAA tourney a few years ago.)

I really think our bigs will hold their own against the more experienced Spartans. But KU must keep JW out of foul trouble. That will probably be Izzo's plan of attack, forcing him to play defense without fouling. His teammates will have to move their feet and keep MSU from getting to the lane too much.

This is KY's chance to show that last season's game vs The Ohio State wasn't a fluke. With his quickness and eye for the loose balls, maybe he can grab some early rebounds and rattle MSU.


jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

"jaybate's MSU Intel Estimate:"

Executive Summary:

Overall: Smash mouth cometh. MSU scores mostly through its perimeter players, and defends with muscle and seeks a big edge the offensive glass. As usual, MSU is not a particularly efficient scoring team, so their offensive rebounding is crucial. Stop their offensive rebounding, and you take a big step to beating them. Not much big man scoring shown in their first game with only 7 FGAs between their two starting bigs. That changes when Dawson swings from 3 to 4, however. Interestingly, Ratso starts long and strong inside, and subs short and strong, despite having some longs he could sub with. KU's initial problem with MSU starters will be staying on spots at both ends of the floor, and keeping MSU off the offensive glass. Controlling MSU's 1 and 2 scoring outside, if EJ is not up to snuff against their frosh start PG comes next. And Dawson is very active scoring off the bounce, whether he is playing 3,or 4 (though Dawson lacks a trey gun). If Ratso subs short and strong inside, KU's back ups and starters could have a lot of trouble. If Ratso subs long and strong, KU's long and athletic depth could hold an advantage, depending on how fouls are called. Strangle their perimeter scoring efficiency by Harris, Appling and Dawson, plus keep them off the offensive glass, and KU wins same as UConn did. Let them be efficient in scoring, with second shots, too, and its curtains.

Inside--match our height and outweigh us 20-50 pounds per man inside with starting bigs that only play 15-27mpg. Ratso can sub short and strong, or long and strong, which puts real pressure on an opponent's depth. Against UConn, Ratso chose to substitute short and strong (swinging Dawson 3 to 4), but Ratso has some longs and strong that he might go to vs KU, also, though they appear to be mostly thuggers. MSU does not try to score much out of its bigs. But staying on a spot inside on either end of the floor will be tough for our long and thins, when their long and strongs are in, or when their short and strongs are in. Edge in muscle to MSU when starters are in. Edge in skill to KU with either starters, or subs. They don't swat shots, they body. Withey will have lots of swat opps on MSU perimeter penetrations, maybe too many.

Outside--If EJ were healthy, we would contain them at the 1 and 3 and overwhelm them with Ben at the 2 over the shorter Appling. If EJ were gimpy, they would very shortly crack us wide open. More detailed analysis would not reveal a solution to EJ being sick/gimpy.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Part 2

Roster MUA Analysis:

1 Garry Harris, FR, 6-4, 205--A healthy EJ could easily control this highly regarded frosh, who started cold inside and out. Note that Ratso gave Harris 13 FGAs including 7 trey attempts. A sick, knee injured EJ would get eaten alive. Naadir would be destroyed by Harris. Anrio might see some minutes because of length/speed, but Anrio rhymes with TO. Shifting Ben Mac onto Harris, if EJ is a no go makes most sense and Ben Mac could really give Harris fits, but Ben might get in foul trouble early and Ben's offense is a must.

2 Keith Appling, JR, 6-1 190--short, but 17 FGAs and leading scorer first game will keep Ben busy defensively, which might distract Ben on offense. Still, Ben can seal and deal on Appling, if he can avoid getting fouled up. This is our biggest MUA both ends, if Ben can avoid fouls and EJ can handle Harris, but a nightmare, if Ben gets fouled up, or has to switch to Harris. Naadir, AW3 would seem to be toast, if asked to guard Appling. Anrio might be best to back up defend Appling.

3 Branden Dawson, SO, 6-6 230--a strong 3 who swings 4 to spell their 35mpg 4 and 5, plus a 17 FGA scorer. Travis will have to be at his best defensively on Dawson, and he may have to be prepared to guard the Dawson at the 4. Dawson is a crucial link in the MSU chain. Control him outside as a 3 and control him when he swings 4 and Ratso is in real trouble. Let him beat you bad either place, and you're in trouble. Travis can guard him at the 3, but when Dawson swings, 4, Travis being a long neck 6-6, will put him at a distinct disadvantage versus the short neck 6-6 of Dawson. Spelling Perry, Jamari, Kevin and Justin giving fouls could all make life very tough on Dawson inside.

4 Derrick Nix, SR, 6-9 270. Nix is the wide load KU has no answer for and would not even with Zach Peters. He got 11 reebs in only 27 minutes vs. UConn and importantly 7 were offensive reebs. He's not much of a post scorer, but keeping him off the offensive glass is going to be a huge challenge for our skinnies. Whoever Nix guards on KU is going to have to take him chase outside and then drive on him, or shoot over him. Getting muddy with this guy with any of our bigs, at either end of the floor, is a no win.

5 Adreian Payne, JR, 6-10 240. Payne got fouled up against UConn, or he would have been more of a scoring force. He's an okay rebounder. KU's needs to attack Payne. If he plays big minutes, then KU is in a lot of trouble.

FP Denzel Valentine, FR 6-5 220 keep him off the glass. SP Russell Byrd, SO, 6-7 205 a ball mover that guards. TP Travis Trice, SO 6-0 170. Guard him at the trey stripe and attack him mercilously on offense.

FP = first perimeter player off bench SP= second perimeter player off bench TP= third perimeter player off bench

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Erratum: Their bigs are NOT 35mpg bigs. Nix played 27, which is probably his envelope edge, and Payne played only 15 due to fouls. Payne should go 25-30 if not fouled up.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Part 3

Sun Tzu Recommendation:

Defend Where They Are Strong: Guard the trey stripe against Harris and Appling. Keep Nix off the offensive glass by making him come out high to guard. Keep Dawson off the offensive glass.

Attack Where They Are Weak: Ben holds a huge edge over Appling, despite Appling being a seasoned, savvy player. Attack Payne with anyone, because they get small when he is fouled up. Attack Trice the moment he enters.

Mission Expectation:

If EJ were healthy, KU would probably win. If EJ were not healthy, KU would probably lose. Since EJ looks not to be healthy, a loss seems probable. EJ not healthy causes a cascade of offensive and defensive problems that Self would appear not to have answers for yet.

Jonathan Allison 8 years, 11 months ago

"Keep Nix off the offensive glass by making him come out high to guard."

If we can get this guy trying to guard the perimeter he will sag off and hang low and force us to hit the outside shots. If he's guarding Perry and Perry can knock down some jump shots they likely will have to take Nix out of the game, or else he will get torched like Withey did trying to guard Kimmy English. I agree that if we can actually get him trying to guard on the perimeter then he will tire from attacking the offensive glass, or we can get him in foul trouble, but unless we can make him pay for sagging off the perimeter then it's not going to happen.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago


I'm with you on BMac being decisive, but if EJ is under the weather or leg-challenged, it may force Self to switch Ben from Appling to Harris on defense, which then forces Self to select among Naadir, AW3 and Anrio to guard Appling, who is a short, but very good guard. So: a lot depends on The Prophet. Gosh, I hope he's okay.

Carter Patterson 8 years, 11 months ago

Welcome to Atlanta! Super excited to see our Jayhawks in the Georgia Dome.

Martin Rosenblum 8 years, 11 months ago

I believe McLemore and Ellis will be the dominant guys in this game. Withey will struggle with fouls and should get a fair number of blocks. Nix and Traylor would be an interesting matchup to isolate.

CerealAlias 8 years, 11 months ago

Does anybody realize that this is the only place that is postulating that EJ is hurt, or slanderously describing him as diseased? Which is more likely, that EJ is simply having another slow start to the season as he has had almost each year at KU or he has a disease or injury that Coach Self is callously making him plod through in secret?

Regardless of the truth, some folks will continue with their easy come, easy go predictions. What do you gain from it? Some brief Internet persona glory that you obtained by the coin flip randomly going your way?

You know who you are.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Who is it? I want to create a serial alias and try to smear them out of the online community?

I want to "manage this site."

--Forum sliding

--consensus cracking

--topic dilution

--information collection

--anger trolling

--gaining full control

You know the drill, right?


jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

C'mon CerealSurrealAlias (CerealAlias created 11.8.12),

Help us out here. Don't you get it? We are creating a smoke screen here. Surely you know something about signal management, noise and disinformation, right?

We are using psy-ops on Ratso. We are creating an uncertainty point for Ratso. Self signals everything is okay. We counter signal everything is not. MSU trolls pick it up. It goes viral on MSU web sites. A manager mentions it to an assistant coach. An assistant mentions it to Ratso. Ratso has to prepare for both.

Go back to Camp Destabilization, will ya, if that's where ya came from? I'm going to call a counselor there and tell them one of their apparent graduates is being laughed at again.

Are you with us, or agin us, CerealSurrealAlias?

(P.S.: Just kidding around here.)

(P.P.S.: Again, what is it about losses in football that bring out the serial alias macro key strikers on the basketball page?)

(P.P.P.S.: Stick with Weis for Five!)

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

Ooo, 'persona glory' -- is that the disease you refer to? That sounds like some sort of ego-trippin psychological condition that exhibits itself through such simple-yet-arrogant internet-bully flourishes as self-appointing oneself a 'martyr'; or trying to seem sophisticated by insulting fellow posters in Italian; or jingoistic harping and brow-beating with pseudo-patriotic posturing, chest-puffing, and an ironic predilection for attempting to stifle others' free speech through harassment when their opinions are different from one's own.

I know exactly who you mean.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

The only Italian words I know are pasta, chianti, ciao bella, grazie, and capice and those aren't insults. So: who is he/she referring to?

No, never mind. Don't answer. This is game day. Who cares?

I'm just pumped about the game tonight!

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

Well he/she is obviously not referring to you.

Mangino and bastardo are also Italian words that you might have seen before.

But, I agree, let's not waste our time on stupid things.

I am very pumped for 6pm to roll around.

Disclaimerer 8 years, 11 months ago

Get 'em Robin! While you're on the subject of free speech, don't forget about those pussies who get people kicked off and threaten to report them. Even the other guys have never literally stifled anybody.

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

The administrators have a right to enforce their own explicitly stated terms of use. Whose fault is it for violating those terms of use?

It sounds like you, Disclaimerer, are saying that the person who was kicked off (TheDisclaimerer) is the same person as the person whom I asked to cease harassing me lest I should report them (IlBastardo).

You might want to consider either 1) not violating the terms of use or 2) not harassing people to the point of them calling attention to your violating ways. Doing both is just foolish, especially since 2 is in fact an instance of 1.

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

You have a way of confusing things.

The sentence that Disclaimerer wrote makes the implication, grammatically. My response pointed that out.

Why did you begin harassing me in the first place when I had never spoken with you? That's where the suspicion came up on my part.

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

I got the part about Johnson but that wasn't the point of his post.

For some reason you three -- if you are in fact different people -- are obsessed with harassing users and jb in particular.

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

There it is! Your obsession with jb's so-called 9/11 conspiracy. That's the pseudo-patriotism I'm talking about!

See I haven't actually seen his account of what he thinks on the subject, but you guys harp on it soooooo much. You're the reason I even know it exists.

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

also your application of logic to my purely rhetorical post is funny.

I'm honestly puzzled (and a little creeped out) by nearly everything you've ever directed at me

Robin Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

Well, he is rhetorically using 'people' to mean one person and then uses the gender-neutral (and plural-neutral, within the context) pronoun 'them' within the same clause without distinguishing them as separate. Alternate readings are possible, of course.

I don't know anything about the 9/11 issue other than that you keep saying there is one. I'm not making a case here, I was simply writing creatively.

Robert Brock 8 years, 11 months ago

I don't want to see McLemore loitering on the perimeter and settling for just shooting threes. He has to use his quickness and athleticism to beat his man from the wing and take it to the rim for The Big Finish. If he can do it against Izzo's team, he can do it against any team.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago


I don't think you will be disappointed. He is going to have to very active both in wing point initiation, and in going to the offensive and defensive glass. MSU has a 3 that will kill us on the glass, if Trav doesn't block him out and Ben doesn't get after the caroms.

JHawk06 8 years, 11 months ago

Wish this wasn't early on a Tuesday night, because then I would drive the 2 hrs to go :(

jayhawkeratheart 8 years, 11 months ago

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Score more than they do, Score more than they do, Score more than they do, Rather elementary, but I do have freedom of speech,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, WIN THE GAME..................

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Never apologize for being right and saying it in a fresh way.

clevelandjayhawker 8 years, 11 months ago

I dont know if I am more excited to see Rio or AW3 come off the bench, Tharpe looked great last game and may not be giving up any mins of PT.

EJ needs to stay out of foul trouble, but he still looks like he isnt quite there yet (surgery lag?). Tonight will be BMac's coming out party as others have mentioned. Cant wait to watch it.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

C'mon CerealSurrealAlias (CerealAlias created 11.8.12),

Help us out here. Don't you get it yet? We are creating noise here--an iSmoke Screen here. Noise in the signal. Surely you know something about signal, noise and disinformation, right?

Let's talk full basketball spectrum information dominance.

We are using psy-ops on Ratso. We are creating an uncertainty point for Ratso. Self signals everything is okay. We signal everything is not. Signal and counter signal. Our counter signal gets picked up by their trolls and dispersed back on MSU web sites. It goes viral on their sites. Some one mentions it to a player during class. The player calls an assistant coach's attention to it. The assistant calls Ratso's attention to it. Ratso, being an intense competitor, has to prepare for both eventualities.

Go back to Camp Destabilization, will ya? I'm going to call a counselor there and tell them one of their apparent graduates is being laughed at again.

Are you with us, or against us, CerealSurrealAlias?

Ah, pre-game, its fan-tastic.

P.S.: I like that mascot on the cereal box in your avatar. Is it a Pittsburg State mascot? :-)

(Note: just kidding around on all of the above.)

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Mis-posted the above here. Re-posted this farther up. Sorry about that. This one can be deleted. Thanks in advance.

petey55 8 years, 11 months ago

"If the Jayhawks are to defeat the Spartans to even their record at 1-1 in the Champions Classic, they likely will have to overcome the size and physicality of 6-10 Payne and 6-9 Nix." Confused, who will have an even record if the Jayhawks defeat the Spartans? With a win KU would be 2-0 and Michigan State would be 0-2. Or am I missing something?

jayhawkinATL 8 years, 11 months ago

They are referring to KU's record within the Champions Classic.

HawkKlaw 8 years, 11 months ago

The difficulty of the non-conference schedule last season is the biggest reason why KU made it to the Final Four last year. We were exposed early on and the rest of the season was spent strengthening on our weaknesses. That's why games like this are so important - not from a win/loss perspective, but in terms of gaining meaningful experience against a solid opponent. Our young guys need this. Elijah and our seniors need this. Even the new folks on the coaching staff need this. It's all part of a bigger plan to not get surprised and sent home early in March. Ready the measuring stick and rock chalk!

BCJayhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

JayBate's insightful commentary and speculation about why so many KU players seem to suffer through major, debiliitating injuries later in their colleg career caught my attention. I realize the situation nay be the same with every elite Div-I program. Still, it is a topic worth exploring. My prediction for today is Michigan State 69, KU 55.
By the way, did you see how one of our new Big 12 teams did last night? Gonzaga, playing at home, destroyed West Virginia, 84-50, The Mountaineers never led, were out-rebounded, got outshot in two pointers, hit 3 of 26 treys. and saw Gonzaga hit 9 of 15 threes.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Huggo-Muggo may be sulking about the conference change. He whined about the time zone differences caused by moving to the Big 12. Slick Rick at Louisville seemed able to derail moving Louisville into the B12. Maybe Huggie Bear is jealous about getting less love from above than Slick Rick got. Huggo-Muggo may be getting ready to jump ship for a full on eastern time zone team, since an Obama victory may scuttle B12 expansion into the eastern time zone for another four years. Whatever, Huggie Bear seems most unlike himself lately. And getting pounded like that by Gonzaga? Very surprising.

Eric Hammond 8 years, 11 months ago

Stuck out here on the west coast and will miss the first half. I have it being taped so I will be about an hour behind on catching up on the game. EJ and Mac will be the deciding factors. As jaybate has mentioned, the bigs don't score much or attempt to score much unless they receive put back touches. It will be all on the guard play. TR (you are not a 3-point shooter)! Please slash, and stop jacking up bricks from trey land!

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago


Trav will be asked to slash against an MUA, but I don't know if he holds any MUA on Dawson.

I'll tell you this, though: if Trav could slash and get Dawson fouled up, MSU would be in a very bad way.

Do you think Self will gamble on Trav?


But I look at 6-5 BenMac vs. 6-1 Appling and think that maybe the way to go first, if EJ can guard Harris and so let Ben focus on dismantling Appling.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

"Some Ways We Know MSU Will Be Ready to Play"

~Brass Knuckles R Us box truck showed up on tarmac in East Lansing Michigan just before the team plane took off for Atlanta.

~Jimmy Hoffa, cloned by MSU GenEn students from residual DNA found in a zinc acid bath in Flint, will sit behind the team bench and shout, "Murder dose guys."

~Having just gotten Mike Brown run from the Lakers, Magic Johnson will come to Atlanta to make a pre-game speech to the Spartans, saying, "NBA money: Its Fan-tastic!"

~Ratso just ordered one of the auto glass suppliers to make some flack jackets for the Spartans out of the bullet proof glass used in Presidential limousines.

~Michigan congressman and Speaker of the US House of Representatives John Boehner proposed his first tax increase--to pay for a million bone contract, er, incentive for Ratso to whack, er, beat KU.

~Unmarked trucks seen unloading cases of MSU performance enhancing energy drink called Spartan Up! (supplemented with caffeine, meth and heavy metals) at entrance to MSU locker room at the Georgia Dome.

~Steel reinforced bench chair for 270 lb Nix to rest on left in East Lansing and Ratso overheard shouting, "You play 40 tonight, or I'll put a contract out on you."

~Carhartt steel reinforced supporters in MSU green ordered delivered to Georgia Dome.

~Legendary Bomber breakfast cafe in Ypsilanti delivering brutal four egg, ten pound hashbrown breakfasts with 5-30W gravy to Georgia Dome stenciled with: "Kill, then Eat."

~Mrs. Izzo withholding until Mr. Izzo brings home a W.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

travelhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah sayeth jaybate. Not sure I've ever met someone who is so enamored with the sound of his own voice.

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Actually, I never said, "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

But you did. :-)

C'mon travelandoubledribblehawk.

Coach Self said talk brings energy.

So bring some, ALREADY!

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Seriously, as much as I dislike the smash mouth pioneered by Tom Izzo, I would love it if CBernie and her band of conference realignment JSOPs could entice MSU to join the Big 12. Imagine a conference of man-ups like Izzo, Barnes, Huggins and Self going at it every conference season!!!!

justinryman 8 years, 11 months ago

Get the ball inside early and often.

MSU had a lot of problems with UCONNs bigs, and they are no where close to Jeff.

If it's off the penetration and a dish off that's fine. If its quick ball movement that gets a good pass inside thats good too. Just get it in the paint a lot.

Like everyone else don't settle for the 21 ft shot. No sticky hands, move the ball quick. Take care of it, but move it quick side to side and open up the paint.

Hard to run a fast break when you make baskets in the paint.

Rock Chalk

Hawk_Star 8 years, 11 months ago

you need a bob davis soundbite for this particular text

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Man, do I hope you are right. I felt unmanly and spineless above writing MSU may win. Screw it. KU, I just can't. Not unless EJ is healthy.

But if EJ is healthy, KU by 10.

Brianna Zaleski 8 years, 11 months ago

Bleacher Report is citing multiple sources saying Embiid to KU

jbal32 8 years, 11 months ago

Joel Embiid will be in our Top 100 in January. IMO, he's the equivalent of a Top 20 commitment.

Dave Telep, ESPN

jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Suggested headline if KU and Joel confirm Telep:


jaybate 8 years, 11 months ago

Dang, yours is better.

Stop the presses!

jaycon11 8 years, 11 months ago

i'm hoping the upside is that announcer dickie vee will be saving his voice for game #2, so we'll be spared.

ChicagoJHawk 8 years, 11 months ago

All I have to say is RUN & GUN!

I've seen plenty of UNC - Michigan State games and Carolina always wins, by a lot! Roy is known for the run & gun, up-tempo game, and I think that works best against Izzo. Izzo likes to set up his offense at half court/the perimter, which takes longer to score, and therefore they don't put up enough points.

RUN & GUN, play solid D and we got this. Rock Chalk!!!!

Patrick Bryant 8 years, 11 months ago

As Ellis goes so goes the Hawks. Make this team yours, Perry - tonight!

wrwlumpy 8 years, 11 months ago

KU favored by 3 1/2. Vegas didn't watch the Washburn game.

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