Baylor defeats Kansas, 41-14

  • 2:30 p.m., Nov. 3, 2012
  • Floyd Casey Stadium, Waco, TX

Saturday, November 3, 2012

A repeat story’: KU falters in second half of 41-14 loss to Baylor

Kansas quarterback Michael Cummings is pressured by Baylor defensive end Terrance Lloyd during the third quarter, Saturday, Nov. 3, 2012 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco, Texas.

Kansas quarterback Michael Cummings is pressured by Baylor defensive end Terrance Lloyd during the third quarter, Saturday, Nov. 3, 2012 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco, Texas.


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KU coach Charlie Weis talks after 41-14 loss to Baylor

KU coach Charlie Weis talks after his team's 41-14 loss to Baylor on Nov. 3, 2012.

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KU vs. Baylor

— There's a saying in football that if you're playing two quarterbacks, you probably don't have one.

After a nice three-week tease from red-shirt freshman Michael Cummings, that certainly appears to be the case for Kansas University coach Charlie Weis, who used both Cummings and senior Dayne Crist during Saturday's 41-14 loss at Baylor.

Though true, Weis' explanation that KU's problems go much deeper than quarterback is starting to get old. Weis admitted as much in the postgame meeting with the media.

"We're in the same boat that we're in almost every game we go to," he said. "It's 20-14 at halftime, we're down by six. This story's getting too old for me. It's almost like I'm telling a repeat story every week."

But Weis has been through this charade only eight times. KU fans have lived it for years.

Thanks to former quarterback Todd Reesing and the magic he injected into the program from 2006-09, people around Lawrence have seen what a quality quarterback can do for an average team. With a big-time quarterback in the huddle, which almost all Big 12 teams have, points and yards are easier to come by. Baylor has one in Nick Florence, and the Bears rolled to 666 yards of total offense Saturday, including an uncharacteristic total of 299 yards on the ground.

KU has had no such luck of late. During its 18 consecutive Big 12 losses, which dates back two full years, KU (1-8 overall, 0-6 Big 12) has averaged just 14.2 points per game. What's more, the Jayhawks have topped 21 points in a game only three times in that stretch and never scored more than 34.

"It's known you gotta put up points to win in the Big 12," said Cummings, a native of Killeen, Texas, who finished 9-of-19 passing for 81 yards with two interceptions. "And that's something we're struggling to do right now."

Because of that, Weis entered Saturday's game with a different philosophy.

"What we wanted to try to do was be more wide open in the game because we figured Baylor had more firepower and it was gonna take more points to win," he said.

But the early plays he called resulted in three-and-outs, so Weis went back to the tried and true running game, which got another wasted effort from junior tailback James Sims, who ran for 126 yards and a touchdown on 21 carries.

While KU struggled, the Bears (4-4, 1-4) raced out to a 14-0 lead in the game's first five minutes in front of a crowd of 39,039. A never-say-die attitude from the KU defense and touchdown runs from Sims (58) and Cummings (22) kept Baylor from pulling away early, and, once again, the Jayhawks went to the locker room very much in the game.

"We were really pretty fortunate for it to be 20-14 at halftime," Weis said. "The way the game started, it looked like it could've gotten ugly real early."

That came later, after an extended halftime because of a lightning delay and a host of KU miscues.

"I thought the game changed in the third quarter," said Weis of the stretch when Baylor opened up a 34-14 lead and never looked back.

In order to hang with the Bears, KU knew it would have to match them score for score. Cummings and company did for a while, but after a one-yard TD run from Bryce Petty with 10:59 left in the third quarter gave Baylor a 27-14 lead, KU failed to answer on the ensuing drive when a bomb from Cummings hit Chris Omigie in the hands but wound up being intercepted instead.

"Michael's best throw of the day that hits him right on the numbers for a walk-in touchdown," Weis recalled. "And instead of a walk-in touchdown, it's an interception. That little sequence, everything changed in a hurry. ... After that play, it was like you could feel the wind come out of the sail."

The entire offense took a turn for the worse after that, including Cummings, who was pulled from the game early in the fourth quarter, done in by a three-play stretch midway through the third quarter in which he played like the young quarterback he is. The dagger was a soft pass right into the hands of BU nickel back Ahmad Dixon with KU trailing 27-14. Six plays later, Florence — 26 for 42 for 367 yards and four total touchdowns — rumbled in from seven yards out and Baylor led, 34-14.

"When he came off that field, he had that look in his face like, 'It's time to go to the bullpen,'" Weis said of Cummings. "Michael would never ask to be taken out, but he definitely had that (look)."

What happened from that point on only mattered to the game's official scorers, as Baylor continued to rack up yards, and KU continued to miss the mark.

"Chunks," Weis said when asked what disappointed him most about his defense. "I can say it in one word: chunks. There were way too many chunks in the game."

With three games to play in a season that has been pretty much the exact opposite of what most expected — improved defense and a struggling offense — the Jayhawks continue to preach things like hard work and small victories.

"It definitely gets old to live that story," Cummings admitted. "We're striding, trying to make an effort to put up more points in the second half, and we just gotta keep working toward that goal."

Added defensive end Josh Williams, who finished with six tackles: "Every week, we're preparing and putting in the work to win the game. To come so close in a lot of games and end up falling short is pretty tough."

KU may not have a standout quarterback, but it doesn't have a quarterback controversy, either. Weis made sure of that before he left the stadium Saturday.

"I'm not looking to have rambling quarterbacks right now," he said. "When I went to Mike, it was to go to Mike. Our production in the pass game has been bad. That's why we've been running the ball so much. That's really the foundation of what we end up doing. But as long as Mike's OK, Mike will be the quarterback."


Geekinout 1 year, 5 months ago

Weis should hand over the offensive play calling to someone else. Just really questionable game management and play calling - he's a great coach, but when it comes to the X's and O's it's apparent that his previous success was off the backs and creativity of others.


JayHok 1 year, 5 months ago

If you mean "doomed" by 4 different D coordinators in 4 years. OK.

Anyone looking for facts or tired of Mizzou fans attacking KU football on KC star, the facts are pretty important. TG, keep in mind, was hired with a high recommendation of Tom Osbourne. Perkins liked him but wouldn't have hired him without Osbourne recommending. Anyone who thinks KU scoring 76 points on the Huskers didn't rub Osbourne the wrong way doesn't understand how painful that was for Tom. Tom's suggestion to hire TG was not to build KU into a winner. It was quite the opposite as we found out later. The fact that TG's defensive coordinator came down with prostate cancer a month before last season was Osbourne's grandpa's spirit laughing at the situation.

We'll get back on track. Next year, we'll finally have an actual D coordinator for the second year in a row. The Tom Osbourne curse is already on the way to being undone.


Geekinout 1 year, 5 months ago

Just a doomed football program!!!


Jayhawks1985 1 year, 5 months ago

Well Kentucky football is 1 - 9. I wonder if they are complaining about their football team as much as we are. I guess they are having similar problems. They must have that same infamous line "I'm glad basketball season has started".

We're not the only ones having trouble. I don't think any coach takes a job and not care whether they win or not. Charlie will get things going again. Give him a chance. Sometimes miracles don't happen overnight.


Robert Brown 1 year, 5 months ago

I have reserved judgment on whether this team has improved until I see how we perform on the road. Baylor is probably the 9th best team in the conference and we get torched just like we did the last two years. I really though the defense had improved but, again, their strong performances were at home. The offense has been most disappointing and this is where I question whether Weis is really the guy. The offense has some talent and Gill did recruit some good offensive personnel.. Weis should be a good enough coach to set up an offense that can score against some of the pathetic defenses we have played against. Look at some of the Baylor scores. Look at the Rice scores and OSU. Teams score at will against these teams but we struggle to put up points. The last three games will be interesting.


JayHok 1 year, 5 months ago

People wondering why KSU's receivers etc look so strong. From a drunk KSU manager (towel boy?) I talked to during Snyder's first run, they run a lot of one good on three 2nd stringers in drills. In game situation it becomes 1 good on 1 good so their receivers eyes light up. Plus gameday, it's the first time they see anything resembling game situation in 7 days so the 1st string is drooling to even be in a uniform much less play 11 on 11.

Everything Snyder does is a science through drills. Builds tremendous confidence. It's just repetitive high intensity drills all the time. Apparently it's pretty quiet on the practice field all the focus is on the work itself.


neworleans 1 year, 5 months ago

No quarterback; no receiver; no team..........KU


Jacob Zutterman 1 year, 5 months ago

I'm still stuck on Weis' coaching decision to run a fake field goal and try to get 13 yards. If you're going to go for it, don't run a fake with 13 yards to go that close to the goal line. You have to spread it out. I question the play calling at times but I do think that Weis has this program in the right direction. The defense is WAAYYY better than last year. It's just time to recruit, recruit, recruit....

Patience, patience, patience...


JayHok 1 year, 5 months ago

As we continue to watch things unfold, I think we all should keep something in mind. This is the 4th new defensive coordinator in 4 years. I believe it might even be the 5th new one in 6 years. Losing Young to OSU was not good for this program in any way shape or form. And TG's 2nd year, as decent as the offense could be at times, he had a linebacker coach running the defense! I'm so very glad TG is gone like I'm sure we all are, but let's be realistic when discussing how "terrible" that defense was last year, lol!

I just think a light dose of reality/fact checking is good for fan education/discussion. Often I get my facts wrong so I am definintely part of this too! We are so lucky to have Campo. From what I've seen he'll be able to recruit better than Young ever did here.

The key defensive thought is this. Next year will be the first time in 5 or 6 years that KU has come back with the same defensive coordinator/staff for 2 years in a row. This message cannot be understated when trying to figure out what has happened over the last 4 seasons. Also the importance of a high percentage slinging quarterback can't be understated either. Our defense looked great at times for a couple years because Reesing was keeping our D off the field!



troutsee 1 year, 5 months ago

Oh, and yes, I am also a fool and will be at the ISU game.


troutsee 1 year, 5 months ago

Observation one: KUFB never gets a controversial call from the refs. Pass interference call in the endzone was a great D play. Our so called offensive pass interference call had nothing to do with the play that cheated us out of a touchdown. The long pass at the end of the game to Trazelli was not incomplete. Bayor 4th and one in the second quarter...the refs gave him an unbelievalby good spot.

Observation two: During the prolonged half time break, Combo stayed in the booth next to Bob Davies. In the second half Baylor made the defensive adjustments to shut us down while our defense was nonexistent in the second half and totallly embarrassing.

Observation three: We lack speeeeed receiver. Put Pierson at wide out or in the slot.

Observation four: Outside of Pick, I do not see a receiver on our team outbattle the D back for the ball. Why do KSU receivers look so strong and ours look so weak?

Observation five: As a team and as coaches that was a totally pathetic performance. Weis should have kicked the field goal and punted the ball. He better find a passing attack and soon because both Texas and Baylor adjusted to our run game in the second half of each game and totally shut us down.

Observation Six: As a long time KUFB fan, I am super pissed. That was a ragtag, dismal performance and sucked the hope right out of me.


nuleafjhawk 1 year, 5 months ago

Can we play Colorado?

Every week


NCFCHawk 1 year, 5 months ago

I think this is a very frustrating year at times, but is the usual step in turning the tide. We all have to remember that we have been bad in football for awhile. It will take time to turn around. Our record won't show it, but I am much more optimistic that Coach Weis will turn things around than Coach Gill. A couple things to point out. First, we are not having a lot of penalties. To me this means we are getting the appropriate coaching and learning the technique to play correctly. Overall, we are tackling better on defense. I don't see the poor tackling like last year. I did see it some earlier in the year but not recently. The team has been competitive in most games. Yes, only a half in some games, but it is still a learning process. We also have had more takeaways this yr, yes most early but it is still a positive.

When the talent is thin and the tradition is not winning, it is easy for a game to change on one play. The mentality as well as the physicality must change. There is just less room for error. Finally, I have not been crazy about Coach Weis' play calling at times, but he has not called a timeout on the first play of a half like Coach Gill did. To me, Coach Gill just looked lost and way over his head. The credibility of this coaching staff is excellent and I trust things will improve next year. No one is really mentioning it a lot but if we would have had Sims the first three games I am sure we would have had more wins. That really hurt us. Granted, more running plays and less trying to put the team on Crist's shoulders would have also possibly resulted in a few more wins early on but who knows.

Overall, it has been a hard year to watch but this team has continued to give great effort and to me, seems to be improving. I am excited about next year when we have a kicker (which, if we had one this year, would have possibly resulted in a few more wins this year) and a QB that can throw. Yes the recruiting is an issue but I think it is crazy for anyone to expect Coach Weis to land a top 10 class with our recent record. Talent must be developed. Down the road, Coach Synder is a master at this and he is the key in their turnaround, which is remarkable. I will be glad when he retires, but you have to respect what he has done. They don't hurt themselves with turnovers and play sound, fundamental football (KSU has allowed 0 points off turnovers this year, a pretty amazing statistic in my opinion). Our team this year seems to be heading in that direction in my opinion (better tackling, less penalties).

Go 'Hawks!!!


Benjamin Piehler 1 year, 5 months ago

Seems like we hit a wall every game against a decent team after we score 14 or so


flyingfinn 1 year, 5 months ago

Agree with Coach Weis he has no choices but to stick with Cummings, but as I have posted before he is NOT the answer to QB for next year. If he is all that we have then we are doomed next year also, you just can not win in today's football with just a running game unless you have Alabama's defense and that's not going to happen any time soon. Come on Heaps!!!!!


jhyphene 1 year, 5 months ago

Team is getting better. This conference is tough. Wins over losses is obviously the goal, but its gonna take time. I think the team is drastically improved from a year ago, as evidenced by two things: the number of games when they've been in a position to win is increased, and the defense is so much better. I loved seeing the stat during yesterday's game that KU leads the big 12 in red zone defense. Think about that. They are getting better. This season has been tough, but I see improvement. And I expect it to continue next year. A solid QB and reliable receivers to go with the running game would be a huge step. Again, it's been a tough year no question, but I feel like they are on the right path.


justinryman 1 year, 5 months ago

KU has won two conference games since October 9th 2009.

The next day the beat Iowa St 41-36. Then the waited around a year and beat Colorado on Nov. 6th 2010 52-45.

In that time they have lost 28 conference games. And not only losing them but losing them badly. They have lost those 28 games by an average of 24.4 points per loss. Thier closest game was 2 points thier worst, 56.

Lossing by 3 touchdowns a a fieldgoal every conference game is just unbelievable.

That's 3 different coaches, thats a 2 and 28 conference record since the 2008 miracle season. And it's gonna take miracle to get another conference win.


Sayers44 1 year, 5 months ago

A good coach with a bad team????? Charlie Wies is a lifetime 36 wins and 35 losses and this is at Notre Dame with the best recruits around. Whether Wies is a good coach remains to be seen. A 50% record will not keep a job in college football.

2005 Notre Dame 9–3
2006 Notre Dame 10–3
2007 Notre Dame 3–9
2008 Notre Dame 7–6
2009 Notre Dame 6–6

Notre Dame: 35–27

2012 Kansas 1–8 0–6

Total: 36–35

As far as Turner Gill while at Kansas, in 2011 he had the 34th-best recruiting class in the country, according to Gill has also won 3 of his lat 4 games in his 1st year at Liberty and only lost by 3 point to Wake Forest. Wake Forest pounded Boston College yesterday. The jury is still out on Gill - same for Wies.


Doug Cramer 1 year, 5 months ago

The Writing is on the wall. 1 win and a bad 2013 recruiting class...shaping up to be the worst class in the Big 12.

Zenger you might want to start looking for another coach. Let me give you a idea...BRING BACK MANGINO...before Stoops hires him back as O-Coordinator !


Jayhawk470 1 year, 5 months ago

Let's face it, folks. Weis is like Glen Mason in 1988 and Mark Mangino in 2002 - a good coach with a bad team. I don't think anyone could win more than one game with this team. Mason's first team was 1-10 - worse than the 1-9-1 record put up by Bob Valesente in 1987. Mangino's first team was 2-10 - worse than Terry Allen's 3-8 record in 2001. And we all know how things eventually worked out - Mason got the Jayhawks to two Aloha Bowls and a ten-win season, and Mangino got the Jayhawks to four bowl games in six years, including an Orange Bowl in a 12-win season. Weis will turn things around, but he has one hell of a rebuilding job thanks to Turner Gill.


Sayers44 1 year, 5 months ago

Wies made a ton of coaching mistakes against Baylor.

  1. He came out throwing instead of sticking to the running game that is proven. Those 3 and outs cost us and put us behind early.

  2. Down only 10 points he tries a fake field goal that backfires and that cost KU momentum.

  3. With KU down only down 13 points Wies goes for it from midfield instead of punting. KU does not make it and Baylor scores --game over.

  4. Wies needed to call plays where Cummings is rolling out with a pass - run option. The pocket passing does not work for Cummings - he is too short for a pocket passer, needs to roll him out.

  5. Wies will never learn that Crist does not have it Crist should no longer be on the field. He is not the future of KU football, as he had his chance and did not perform. Either give all the snaps to Cummings or let us see how Jablonsky performs. The next guy in line can do no worse than Cummings or Crist. Stats yesterday (11 for 26, 2 interceptions, 3.7 yards a pass).

I thought the defense got fooled on a pass to the halfback early in the game, but after that played decent. The defense is constantly being put in positions with their back against the wall because of the lack of a K offense.

Bottom line: If guys are not performing at quarterback or receiver then move on to the next players and give them a chance. Example: Douglas got a chance yesterday at linebacker and made plays.


jayhawkintexas 1 year, 5 months ago

We just suck. Last week I thought we had gotten much better but after the Baylor game it looks like we regressed to last year.


jhawkln 1 year, 5 months ago

The coaching is there, the talent is there, the mentality is not there. We've got to get tough and then tougher. We've got to learn how to take punches and get back up.


MoralVictory 1 year, 5 months ago

Worst loss of the year.

Baylor is not an elite team and you can't get blown out by teams that are struggling to become bowl eligible.

After watching our wideouts this year, it's hard to believe that Jacori wasn't good enough to crack the lineup. There were actually two touchdown drops today. Though our quarterback play is terrible, our wideout play may be worse.

Now that 1-11 is probable, serious work needs to be done on getting a heavy influx of talent for next year. This thing is on the verge of spinning out of control if we don't make major improvement next year.


ahpersecoachingexperience 1 year, 5 months ago

Turner must have gave the halftime speech


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