Baylor defeats Kansas, 41-14

  • 2:30 p.m., Nov. 3, 2012
  • Floyd Casey Stadium, Waco, TX

Saturday, November 3, 2012

A repeat story’: KU falters in second half of 41-14 loss to Baylor

Kansas quarterback Michael Cummings is pressured by Baylor defensive end Terrance Lloyd during the third quarter, Saturday, Nov. 3, 2012 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco, Texas.

Kansas quarterback Michael Cummings is pressured by Baylor defensive end Terrance Lloyd during the third quarter, Saturday, Nov. 3, 2012 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco, Texas.


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KU coach Charlie Weis talks after 41-14 loss to Baylor

KU coach Charlie Weis talks after his team's 41-14 loss to Baylor on Nov. 3, 2012.

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KU vs. Baylor

— There's a saying in football that if you're playing two quarterbacks, you probably don't have one.

After a nice three-week tease from red-shirt freshman Michael Cummings, that certainly appears to be the case for Kansas University coach Charlie Weis, who used both Cummings and senior Dayne Crist during Saturday's 41-14 loss at Baylor.

Though true, Weis' explanation that KU's problems go much deeper than quarterback is starting to get old. Weis admitted as much in the postgame meeting with the media.

"We're in the same boat that we're in almost every game we go to," he said. "It's 20-14 at halftime, we're down by six. This story's getting too old for me. It's almost like I'm telling a repeat story every week."

But Weis has been through this charade only eight times. KU fans have lived it for years.

Thanks to former quarterback Todd Reesing and the magic he injected into the program from 2006-09, people around Lawrence have seen what a quality quarterback can do for an average team. With a big-time quarterback in the huddle, which almost all Big 12 teams have, points and yards are easier to come by. Baylor has one in Nick Florence, and the Bears rolled to 666 yards of total offense Saturday, including an uncharacteristic total of 299 yards on the ground.

KU has had no such luck of late. During its 18 consecutive Big 12 losses, which dates back two full years, KU (1-8 overall, 0-6 Big 12) has averaged just 14.2 points per game. What's more, the Jayhawks have topped 21 points in a game only three times in that stretch and never scored more than 34.

"It's known you gotta put up points to win in the Big 12," said Cummings, a native of Killeen, Texas, who finished 9-of-19 passing for 81 yards with two interceptions. "And that's something we're struggling to do right now."

Because of that, Weis entered Saturday's game with a different philosophy.

"What we wanted to try to do was be more wide open in the game because we figured Baylor had more firepower and it was gonna take more points to win," he said.

But the early plays he called resulted in three-and-outs, so Weis went back to the tried and true running game, which got another wasted effort from junior tailback James Sims, who ran for 126 yards and a touchdown on 21 carries.

While KU struggled, the Bears (4-4, 1-4) raced out to a 14-0 lead in the game's first five minutes in front of a crowd of 39,039. A never-say-die attitude from the KU defense and touchdown runs from Sims (58) and Cummings (22) kept Baylor from pulling away early, and, once again, the Jayhawks went to the locker room very much in the game.

"We were really pretty fortunate for it to be 20-14 at halftime," Weis said. "The way the game started, it looked like it could've gotten ugly real early."

That came later, after an extended halftime because of a lightning delay and a host of KU miscues.

"I thought the game changed in the third quarter," said Weis of the stretch when Baylor opened up a 34-14 lead and never looked back.

In order to hang with the Bears, KU knew it would have to match them score for score. Cummings and company did for a while, but after a one-yard TD run from Bryce Petty with 10:59 left in the third quarter gave Baylor a 27-14 lead, KU failed to answer on the ensuing drive when a bomb from Cummings hit Chris Omigie in the hands but wound up being intercepted instead.

"Michael's best throw of the day that hits him right on the numbers for a walk-in touchdown," Weis recalled. "And instead of a walk-in touchdown, it's an interception. That little sequence, everything changed in a hurry. ... After that play, it was like you could feel the wind come out of the sail."

The entire offense took a turn for the worse after that, including Cummings, who was pulled from the game early in the fourth quarter, done in by a three-play stretch midway through the third quarter in which he played like the young quarterback he is. The dagger was a soft pass right into the hands of BU nickel back Ahmad Dixon with KU trailing 27-14. Six plays later, Florence — 26 for 42 for 367 yards and four total touchdowns — rumbled in from seven yards out and Baylor led, 34-14.

"When he came off that field, he had that look in his face like, 'It's time to go to the bullpen,'" Weis said of Cummings. "Michael would never ask to be taken out, but he definitely had that (look)."

What happened from that point on only mattered to the game's official scorers, as Baylor continued to rack up yards, and KU continued to miss the mark.

"Chunks," Weis said when asked what disappointed him most about his defense. "I can say it in one word: chunks. There were way too many chunks in the game."

With three games to play in a season that has been pretty much the exact opposite of what most expected — improved defense and a struggling offense — the Jayhawks continue to preach things like hard work and small victories.

"It definitely gets old to live that story," Cummings admitted. "We're striding, trying to make an effort to put up more points in the second half, and we just gotta keep working toward that goal."

Added defensive end Josh Williams, who finished with six tackles: "Every week, we're preparing and putting in the work to win the game. To come so close in a lot of games and end up falling short is pretty tough."

KU may not have a standout quarterback, but it doesn't have a quarterback controversy, either. Weis made sure of that before he left the stadium Saturday.

"I'm not looking to have rambling quarterbacks right now," he said. "When I went to Mike, it was to go to Mike. Our production in the pass game has been bad. That's why we've been running the ball so much. That's really the foundation of what we end up doing. But as long as Mike's OK, Mike will be the quarterback."


TenaciousD 8 years, 11 months ago

Liberty has won 4 of their last five games.

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 11 months ago

*With kids Gill didn't recruit in a terrible league

TenaciousD 8 years, 11 months ago

He would be doing much better than Weis this year.... guaranteed.

Boouk 8 years, 11 months ago

Last year's team would've lost this game by at least 49. If Omigie makes that catch its a one score game through at least 2 1/2 quarters.

justinryman 8 years, 11 months ago

Actually last years team lost to a much better Baylor team with more talent on it than this years Baylor team, 30-31.

justinryman 8 years, 11 months ago

HOme field is not worth 20 points, not even at VT at night. Or LSU any time, The Swamp.

So no KU's Memorial Stadium is not worth 20 points.

Larry Smith 8 years, 11 months ago

How can you say that when they took Baylor to overtime last year?

Boouk 8 years, 11 months ago

That game was in Lawrence (the location of the game always has a major effect on how KU plays) and last years defense wouldn't be able to keep Baylor out of the endzone just like the OSU, TA&M, Georgia Tech, and Texas games last year.

vd 8 years, 11 months ago

Last years team, barely got beat by Baylor. Oh wait, now you will tell us that Baylor's 2011 team is not as good as their 2012 team.

Boouk 8 years, 11 months ago

When did I say that? Their defense is better though, and RG3 isn't a lot better than Florence when he takes care of the ball (which he did against KU, unlike RG3 last year).

MoralVictory 8 years, 11 months ago

Worst loss of the year.

Baylor is not an elite team and you can't get blown out by teams that are struggling to become bowl eligible.

After watching our wideouts this year, it's hard to believe that Jacori wasn't good enough to crack the lineup. There were actually two touchdown drops today. Though our quarterback play is terrible, our wideout play may be worse.

Now that 1-11 is probable, serious work needs to be done on getting a heavy influx of talent for next year. This thing is on the verge of spinning out of control if we don't make major improvement next year.

Cmill1221 8 years, 11 months ago

One of the dropped touchdowns actually ended up as an interception. Cummings didnt get much help. I think the 2nd half woes show how little depth we have on defense. The turn over margin hurt as well, they put the ball in the ground a lot today and we couldn't jump on it. If you run the offense we are running right now you better have a good D (Marty Ball) unfortunately we don't have the depth on defense and we have no other options for offensive but running the game plan we saw today. It's rough to watch but I have faith it will be over sooner than later. It is just amazing to me how bad we are but at the same time how much better we have been VS last year.

yates33333 8 years, 11 months ago

The announcers said it, and I think everyone knows it, KU needs a handful of (11) major college players to go with what we have. The announcers suggested doing it like Snyder did it with Junior College transfers. I think Weis has been doing that to some degree. He just needs time. I really think things are different from previous years except when Mangino was here. KU needs to build a football tradition since it has not had one for many years. If Weis can do it in five years, great. I think it may take a bit longer. He has some pretty good coaches and several very good players.

Seth Nesmith 8 years, 11 months ago

The coaching is there, the talent is there, the mentality is not there. We've got to get tough and then tougher. We've got to learn how to take punches and get back up.

Bville Hawk 8 years, 11 months ago

The talent is NOT there. Our receivers have a hard time getting open and when they do our quarterbacks are not very accurate.

Patience. Patience. Patience.

Steve Reigle 8 years, 11 months ago

The receivers not getting open makes the quarterbacks seem just that much worse on the pass plays.

TenaciousD 8 years, 11 months ago

There is nothing wrong with the talent. The only big difference between KU and KSU is that K-State's players are coached much better and consequently appear to be more talented. KU's struggles are a combination of coaching and not getting the players to believe that they can win (which comes from good coaching).

Cmill1221 8 years, 11 months ago

Are you kidding? Do you really believe Ben Heeney and Arthur Brown are equal talents? The problem is 100% talent! To say say we have equal talent is outrageous. If you need proof just look at our Kicker!!!!! I'm sure that our kicking problem is just because he doesn't "believe he can win". Give me a break.

kranny 8 years, 11 months ago

The talent is not there. The defense has actually improved from a statistical standpoint on the national level so coaching is not the problem. The coaching staff is doing the best they can with what they've got.

squawkhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

The talent is not there because it is not coached up like Snyder and crew do at KSU. The talent at KU is on par with the talent at KSU. Their players only look like they are better because they bought into Snyder's philosophy of getting better every day and taking it one game at a time. With that they are also better coached. KU has something like 30 or more players from football rich, Texas, and only a handful from Kansas. For KSU the numbers are almost reversed. This right there should tell you that the talent that KU has is "at least" on par, if not better than what KSU has. PEOPLE, QUIT MAKING EXCUSES. IT IS NOT ABOUT THE JIMMY AND JOE'S...BUT IT IS ABOUT THE X'S AND O'S, AND THAT IS COACHING!

Cmill1221 8 years, 11 months ago

Is this a joke? It's 100% talent!! Are you saying that Ben Heeney and Arthur Brown are equal talent? If you need proof just look at our kicker!! Maybe if he just believed more he would kick better!

Jack Jones 8 years, 11 months ago

You must not be watching the same Kansas State, or KU team I've watched. In my opinion, there is a huge difference in the athletic level of the players on each team. And, by no means, am I being critical of our players. In fact, I believe strongly that they are working as hard, and are giving every ounce of effort they can on game day. I would suggest that the more important factors are (1) The effect of having a successful, winning program for the past 20 years, v/s ours. It''s amazing how winning perpetrates winning, as well as fan support; and (2) The tenure of Coach Snyder v/s the tenure of our recent football coaches. In addition, I think we have to keep in mind the fact that Coach Snyder did not turn around that really terrible program over night. Let's try to give the current coaching staff an opportunity to accomplish a similar result for us.

Jack Jones 8 years, 11 months ago

I actually see a big difference in the athletic quality between Kansas State v/s Kansas players - overall 1-2 depth charts. And, by no means is this intended as a criticism of our players. It is simply, one of those 'it is what it is' situations. In fact, given all the givens, I believe our players are working as hard, and giving their very best (and at times, beyond what they, and we, expect.) I would suggest that perhaps even more importantly, the difference that does exist may be related to a couple of factors; (1) a 'winning' tradition that goes back to Coach Snyder's first term, v/s ours. It's amazing how winning perpetrates winning - not to mention fan support and enthusiasm. and (2) the coaching tenure for Coach Snyder v/s that of our recent coaching staffs. As I recall Snyder did not turn an absolutely DOA program around over night. Hopefully, we will give our current coaching staff the opportunity to accomplish the same type of success. Oh, one more thing - just how hard can that be - after all, "Farm Boy(and Girls) University, just down the road pulled it off!! :-)

Boouk 8 years, 11 months ago

Mangino won 2 games his first season, and the Big 12 is way better now than it was then. Give Weis time.

Mike Hart 8 years, 11 months ago

Couldn't disagree more, TenaciousD. I don't think you are watching any of the games. Nothing wrong with the talent? When QBs run through and run over your defense... something is lacking. Klein being the leading candidate for Heisman... I'm sure that's all coaching and not talent. K-State currently has 16 former Wildcats on current NFL rosters.. including RB from each of the last 3 years (Daniel Thomas, William Powell, Bryce Brown). KU? KU has 6 former players on NFL rosters... and most of those played on the KU Orange Bowl team under Mangino.

squawkhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

And most of the players that KSU has in the NFL today were 2 and 3 three star athletes when they arrived at KSU (including one or two walk ons...Jordy Nelson for one). These are the same quality of kids that KU is getting. From what I can tell, KSU rarely gets a 4 star athlete and almost never a 5 star athlete. So how can you says that there is a huge talent difference and that the coaching is fine at KU? Please explain.

kranny 8 years, 11 months ago

Precisely. We're slow and not strong. Our d line doesn't seem to be even a factor yet. Our receivers are incredibly slow with no breakaway speed. I think Cummings is a decent qb but not fast enough.

Mike Hart 8 years, 11 months ago

Absolutely right, Bville_hawk,. The talent is certainly not there yet. It is getting better and I think it will continue to improve with Weis and Campo recruiting. I'm glad that people are finally starting to talk about the WIDE RECEIVER play (or lack thereof). I've been harping on them the last several weeks and they showcased it on Saturday. Brutal. No TD's from a WR all year... even when you drop it right in their hands (Omigie). I did not care for Cumming's disposition on the field. I know he's quiet and supposedly calm... but he doesn't exhibit much fire or leadership. 46% completion percentage... 1 TD, 4 INT.. and 308 yards passing in 4 starts. Anemic. I think this shows that whichever QB we have in there... receivers can't get open and make plays. Although Cummings looks like a rusty Michael Vick out there when he passes (not a compliment),.

jayhawkintexas 8 years, 11 months ago

We just suck. Last week I thought we had gotten much better but after the Baylor game it looks like we regressed to last year.

Sayers44 8 years, 11 months ago

Wies made a ton of coaching mistakes against Baylor.

  1. He came out throwing instead of sticking to the running game that is proven. Those 3 and outs cost us and put us behind early.

  2. Down only 10 points he tries a fake field goal that backfires and that cost KU momentum.

  3. With KU down only down 13 points Wies goes for it from midfield instead of punting. KU does not make it and Baylor scores --game over.

  4. Wies needed to call plays where Cummings is rolling out with a pass - run option. The pocket passing does not work for Cummings - he is too short for a pocket passer, needs to roll him out.

  5. Wies will never learn that Crist does not have it Crist should no longer be on the field. He is not the future of KU football, as he had his chance and did not perform. Either give all the snaps to Cummings or let us see how Jablonsky performs. The next guy in line can do no worse than Cummings or Crist. Stats yesterday (11 for 26, 2 interceptions, 3.7 yards a pass).

I thought the defense got fooled on a pass to the halfback early in the game, but after that played decent. The defense is constantly being put in positions with their back against the wall because of the lack of a K offense.

Bottom line: If guys are not performing at quarterback or receiver then move on to the next players and give them a chance. Example: Douglas got a chance yesterday at linebacker and made plays.

ozzzy 8 years, 11 months ago

Agree, let's see what Jablonski can do. I mean the kid threw for like a zillion yards his senior year, lead his team to an undefeated season, and won the state title in convincing fashion.

Micky Baker 8 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, because ya know, he brought in Crist with 10 minutes left to try to come back from 20 points down, right?

Crist and Cummings are the only two choices the rest of this season. Deal with it.

squawkhawk 8 years, 11 months ago

Bottom line, Weis is PROVING that he is not the offensive coaching genius that he was billed up to be. I think he was lucky to be in the right places at the right time with excellent talent (New England, KC). He has not demonstrated that he can coach diddly at the college level. He failed at ND and he failed at Florida. Now he is failing at KU with even lesser talent that he at at the other colleges he coached at.

Gregor Southard 8 years, 11 months ago

Agreed. Gill left Weiss with virtually nothing.

John Thomas 8 years, 11 months ago

Weiss's best players are Gill recruits (Pierson, Love, Heeney, Shepherd)...its more like Mangino didn't leave anything. Gill only had 1 true recruiting class. Weiss is still playing with Mangino's players.

Mike Hart 8 years, 11 months ago

Yeah... lousy Mangino recruits.. like Zlatnick, Hawkinson... anchoring our O-Line. Let's not forget Toben Operum... who has played RB, LB and DE.

Doug Cramer 8 years, 11 months ago

The Writing is on the wall. 1 win and a bad 2013 recruiting class...shaping up to be the worst class in the Big 12.

Zenger you might want to start looking for another coach. Let me give you a idea...BRING BACK MANGINO...before Stoops hires him back as O-Coordinator !

Mike Hart 8 years, 11 months ago

Table_Rock: My thoughts - You're an idiot....

Sayers44 8 years, 11 months ago

A good coach with a bad team????? Charlie Wies is a lifetime 36 wins and 35 losses and this is at Notre Dame with the best recruits around. Whether Wies is a good coach remains to be seen. A 50% record will not keep a job in college football.

2005 Notre Dame 9–3
2006 Notre Dame 10–3
2007 Notre Dame 3–9
2008 Notre Dame 7–6
2009 Notre Dame 6–6

Notre Dame: 35–27

2012 Kansas 1–8 0–6

Total: 36–35

As far as Turner Gill while at Kansas, in 2011 he had the 34th-best recruiting class in the country, according to Gill has also won 3 of his lat 4 games in his 1st year at Liberty and only lost by 3 point to Wake Forest. Wake Forest pounded Boston College yesterday. The jury is still out on Gill - same for Wies.

Fototherapist 8 years, 11 months ago

Gill coaches a little, podunk college. No comparison. He is where he belongs. Small time.

TenaciousD 8 years, 11 months ago

Winning is winning. It's likely Gill will get another shot at a major college program and we will be regretting another poor decision by our athletic director(s).

Micky Baker 8 years, 11 months ago

Give it up. Get a new nickname while you're at it.

justinryman 8 years, 11 months ago

KU has won two conference games since October 9th 2009.

The next day the beat Iowa St 41-36. Then the waited around a year and beat Colorado on Nov. 6th 2010 52-45.

In that time they have lost 28 conference games. And not only losing them but losing them badly. They have lost those 28 games by an average of 24.4 points per loss. Thier closest game was 2 points thier worst, 56.

Lossing by 3 touchdowns a a fieldgoal every conference game is just unbelievable.

That's 3 different coaches, thats a 2 and 28 conference record since the 2008 miracle season. And it's gonna take miracle to get another conference win.

justinryman 8 years, 11 months ago

Sorry the closest game was a 1 point loss last year to Baylor 30-31.

jhyphene 8 years, 11 months ago

Team is getting better. This conference is tough. Wins over losses is obviously the goal, but its gonna take time. I think the team is drastically improved from a year ago, as evidenced by two things: the number of games when they've been in a position to win is increased, and the defense is so much better. I loved seeing the stat during yesterday's game that KU leads the big 12 in red zone defense. Think about that. They are getting better. This season has been tough, but I see improvement. And I expect it to continue next year. A solid QB and reliable receivers to go with the running game would be a huge step. Again, it's been a tough year no question, but I feel like they are on the right path.

justinryman 8 years, 11 months ago

So whats the stat on how many "Bog play" (20 yards or more) touchdowns that KU has given up this year?

Cause if they have the best redzone D in the big 12 howare they letting teams put up 41 or more points a game?

I agree they have made huge strides on D this year, but honestly the only way was up. Weren't they the second worst D in the nation last year? But aD can't win a game with they are constantly on the field or if the offense isn't putting any points on the board.

flyingfinn 8 years, 11 months ago

Agree with Coach Weis he has no choices but to stick with Cummings, but as I have posted before he is NOT the answer to QB for next year. If he is all that we have then we are doomed next year also, you just can not win in today's football with just a running game unless you have Alabama's defense and that's not going to happen any time soon. Come on Heaps!!!!!

ozzzy 8 years, 11 months ago

1 other choice...Jablonski. I understand why CW doesn't want to burn Baty's red-shirt at this point in the year. However, I was a little frustrated when CW put Crist in late, when we already know what he can do. We don't know what Jablonski can do, except for that he could torch KS high school defenses. Why not see what he can do? You won't know unless you throw him out there. Yes, he might fail, but nothing to lose at this point in the season. And who knows, maybe he can sling it around.

Jayhawker111 8 years, 11 months ago

Crist has failed miserably. Cummings has had two games and is not the answer.

Wies now needs to give the walk-on (Jablonski) a shot.

Is KU going to flounder around with the same guys who are not getting it done or is Wies going to try and improve the team?

Playing Crist yesterday was a complete waste for KU football. Crist should not play again. Cummings is not going to make KU competitive by just handing off the ball. If Wies is truly interested in winning he has to go to the next quarterback and see what he can do. There are three games left - the coaches need to show KU fans they have some imagination!

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 11 months ago

Seems like we hit a wall every game against a decent team after we score 14 or so

NCFCHawk 8 years, 11 months ago

I think this is a very frustrating year at times, but is the usual step in turning the tide. We all have to remember that we have been bad in football for awhile. It will take time to turn around. Our record won't show it, but I am much more optimistic that Coach Weis will turn things around than Coach Gill. A couple things to point out. First, we are not having a lot of penalties. To me this means we are getting the appropriate coaching and learning the technique to play correctly. Overall, we are tackling better on defense. I don't see the poor tackling like last year. I did see it some earlier in the year but not recently. The team has been competitive in most games. Yes, only a half in some games, but it is still a learning process. We also have had more takeaways this yr, yes most early but it is still a positive.

When the talent is thin and the tradition is not winning, it is easy for a game to change on one play. The mentality as well as the physicality must change. There is just less room for error. Finally, I have not been crazy about Coach Weis' play calling at times, but he has not called a timeout on the first play of a half like Coach Gill did. To me, Coach Gill just looked lost and way over his head. The credibility of this coaching staff is excellent and I trust things will improve next year. No one is really mentioning it a lot but if we would have had Sims the first three games I am sure we would have had more wins. That really hurt us. Granted, more running plays and less trying to put the team on Crist's shoulders would have also possibly resulted in a few more wins early on but who knows.

Overall, it has been a hard year to watch but this team has continued to give great effort and to me, seems to be improving. I am excited about next year when we have a kicker (which, if we had one this year, would have possibly resulted in a few more wins this year) and a QB that can throw. Yes the recruiting is an issue but I think it is crazy for anyone to expect Coach Weis to land a top 10 class with our recent record. Talent must be developed. Down the road, Coach Synder is a master at this and he is the key in their turnaround, which is remarkable. I will be glad when he retires, but you have to respect what he has done. They don't hurt themselves with turnovers and play sound, fundamental football (KSU has allowed 0 points off turnovers this year, a pretty amazing statistic in my opinion). Our team this year seems to be heading in that direction in my opinion (better tackling, less penalties).

Go 'Hawks!!!

VaJay 8 years, 11 months ago

I think Colorado would vote for that too.

yates33333 8 years, 11 months ago

Only those of us hardened by loss after loss would watch this game.

troutsee 8 years, 11 months ago

Observation one: KUFB never gets a controversial call from the refs. Pass interference call in the endzone was a great D play. Our so called offensive pass interference call had nothing to do with the play that cheated us out of a touchdown. The long pass at the end of the game to Trazelli was not incomplete. Bayor 4th and one in the second quarter...the refs gave him an unbelievalby good spot.

Observation two: During the prolonged half time break, Combo stayed in the booth next to Bob Davies. In the second half Baylor made the defensive adjustments to shut us down while our defense was nonexistent in the second half and totallly embarrassing.

Observation three: We lack speeeeed receiver. Put Pierson at wide out or in the slot.

Observation four: Outside of Pick, I do not see a receiver on our team outbattle the D back for the ball. Why do KSU receivers look so strong and ours look so weak?

Observation five: As a team and as coaches that was a totally pathetic performance. Weis should have kicked the field goal and punted the ball. He better find a passing attack and soon because both Texas and Baylor adjusted to our run game in the second half of each game and totally shut us down.

Observation Six: As a long time KUFB fan, I am super pissed. That was a ragtag, dismal performance and sucked the hope right out of me.

Micky Baker 8 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, the offensive PI on Omigie had everything to do with that play. All Omigie had to do was just run right there and stop, but instead he went and threw a block. That isn't how that play was drawn up.

troutsee 8 years, 11 months ago

Oh, and yes, I am also a fool and will be at the ISU game.

JayHok 8 years, 11 months ago

As we continue to watch things unfold, I think we all should keep something in mind. This is the 4th new defensive coordinator in 4 years. I believe it might even be the 5th new one in 6 years. Losing Young to OSU was not good for this program in any way shape or form. And TG's 2nd year, as decent as the offense could be at times, he had a linebacker coach running the defense! I'm so very glad TG is gone like I'm sure we all are, but let's be realistic when discussing how "terrible" that defense was last year, lol!

I just think a light dose of reality/fact checking is good for fan education/discussion. Often I get my facts wrong so I am definintely part of this too! We are so lucky to have Campo. From what I've seen he'll be able to recruit better than Young ever did here.

The key defensive thought is this. Next year will be the first time in 5 or 6 years that KU has come back with the same defensive coordinator/staff for 2 years in a row. This message cannot be understated when trying to figure out what has happened over the last 4 seasons. Also the importance of a high percentage slinging quarterback can't be understated either. Our defense looked great at times for a couple years because Reesing was keeping our D off the field!


Jacob Zutterman 8 years, 11 months ago

I'm still stuck on Weis' coaching decision to run a fake field goal and try to get 13 yards. If you're going to go for it, don't run a fake with 13 yards to go that close to the goal line. You have to spread it out. I question the play calling at times but I do think that Weis has this program in the right direction. The defense is WAAYYY better than last year. It's just time to recruit, recruit, recruit....

Patience, patience, patience...

JayHok 8 years, 11 months ago

People wondering why KSU's receivers etc look so strong. From a drunk KSU manager (towel boy?) I talked to during Snyder's first run, they run a lot of one good on three 2nd stringers in drills. In game situation it becomes 1 good on 1 good so their receivers eyes light up. Plus gameday, it's the first time they see anything resembling game situation in 7 days so the 1st string is drooling to even be in a uniform much less play 11 on 11.

Everything Snyder does is a science through drills. Builds tremendous confidence. It's just repetitive high intensity drills all the time. Apparently it's pretty quiet on the practice field all the focus is on the work itself.

Robert Brown 8 years, 11 months ago

I have reserved judgment on whether this team has improved until I see how we perform on the road. Baylor is probably the 9th best team in the conference and we get torched just like we did the last two years. I really though the defense had improved but, again, their strong performances were at home. The offense has been most disappointing and this is where I question whether Weis is really the guy. The offense has some talent and Gill did recruit some good offensive personnel.. Weis should be a good enough coach to set up an offense that can score against some of the pathetic defenses we have played against. Look at some of the Baylor scores. Look at the Rice scores and OSU. Teams score at will against these teams but we struggle to put up points. The last three games will be interesting.

Jayhawks1985 8 years, 11 months ago

Well Kentucky football is 1 - 9. I wonder if they are complaining about their football team as much as we are. I guess they are having similar problems. They must have that same infamous line "I'm glad basketball season has started".

We're not the only ones having trouble. I don't think any coach takes a job and not care whether they win or not. Charlie will get things going again. Give him a chance. Sometimes miracles don't happen overnight.

JayHok 8 years, 11 months ago

If you mean "doomed" by 4 different D coordinators in 4 years. OK.

Anyone looking for facts or tired of Mizzou fans attacking KU football on KC star, the facts are pretty important. TG, keep in mind, was hired with a high recommendation of Tom Osbourne. Perkins liked him but wouldn't have hired him without Osbourne recommending. Anyone who thinks KU scoring 76 points on the Huskers didn't rub Osbourne the wrong way doesn't understand how painful that was for Tom. Tom's suggestion to hire TG was not to build KU into a winner. It was quite the opposite as we found out later. The fact that TG's defensive coordinator came down with prostate cancer a month before last season was Osbourne's grandpa's spirit laughing at the situation.

We'll get back on track. Next year, we'll finally have an actual D coordinator for the second year in a row. The Tom Osbourne curse is already on the way to being undone.

Geekinout 8 years, 11 months ago

Man, that is one serious conspiracy theory! Don't disagree completely, but in the entirety of everything, results have demonstrated to us that the people running things have zero contingency plans for the future. Coaches move on, retire, get fired, get sick, etc. Not saying you can completely replace those, but you have to be able to adapt.

Geekinout 8 years, 11 months ago

Weis should hand over the offensive play calling to someone else. Just really questionable game management and play calling - he's a great coach, but when it comes to the X's and O's it's apparent that his previous success was off the backs and creativity of others.

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