Monday, May 14, 2012

High school guard Milton Doyle expected to visit KU on Monday


Kansas University is expected to receive a visitor Monday in 6-foot-4 guard Milton Doyle.

The Chicago Sun-Times indicated the guard, who averaged 19 points, seven rebounds and nearly five assists a game as a senior for Marshall High School in Chicago last season, was interested in KU following his decommitment from Florida International.

Doyle visited Bradley and also is considering Colorado State and Nebraska, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Doyle decided to not honor his commitment to FIU following the firing of coach Isiah Thomas.

Lisa Green, Doyle's mother, told the Tribune her son signed financial papers but not a letter-of-intent with FIU just in case Thomas decided to leave the school to take another position.


Milton Doyle YouTube highlight video


Gavin Fritton 9 years, 6 months ago

I admit that I don't know enough about recruiting to say whether a player is good or bad for KU. And I trust Bill Self to know anyway. But am I the only one who worries when we're looking at kids who are looking at schools like FIU and Bradley? I mean, is it good that we're competing with Nebraska for this young man's services?

I'm not sayin'. I'm just asking. Again, I know nothing.

Steve Corder 9 years, 6 months ago

Reasonable to ask.

There's no shortage of kids on their high school team averaging 19/game. Find a kid averaging 19 on a top tier AAU summer team and you might have something special.

rockchalk_dpu 9 years, 6 months ago

It is a little odd to be checking out a player who decommitted from FIU and doesn't really have any "big name schools" on his list, but part of that might be the fact this is so late in the recruiting process. Another reason that he might not be getting looked at by the big boys is that he is listed as 6' 4" 185, and is very slight for a point guard, especially in some of the more physical conferences. Definitely would be a project for Hudy to work on and get him up to a more manageable weight that retains his quickness, but protects him from the contact inside.

I watched some highlight footage of Doyle, and he can definitely shoot the ball well, but more importantly he can create his own shot breaking down his man if necessary. He looked like a skinnier version of TT being able to attack the rim when he wanted.

I'm like you though Gavin, I don't know enough about the recruiting process and what boxes HCBS looks to check in a player before he pulls the trigger, but I'd have to trust Self that if he thinks this young man is good enough to play for Kansas, then he sees the potential and the growth this guy could have in the next couple years. It'll be interesting to see what happens from here.


Marcia Parsons 9 years, 6 months ago

I notice the article says he is expected to visit Kansas, not that he was invited to come for a visit. Sounds like an unofficial to me. We don't know that our coaching staff is interested in this guy. If someone calls and says they are dropping by to visit, what do you do? I guess we'll find out if there's any mutual interest.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 6 months ago

I saw Tyshawn at the book signing in Overland Park last Friday and he is rail thin; I was very surprised with how thin he is as he did not seem that way on TV. He is 6-3 and 185 and it does not seem to have hurt him too much playing in the Big 12, which is becoming more physical than it used to be.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 6 months ago

TT & EJ are 6-3, 185 and 6-4, 195 and hardly called slightly built. As a HS Sr, his build is fine.

I he really particularly different than Merv Lindsey or QT a couple years ago. I have a sneaky suspicion that Coach Self brings players in late with the comment that he will pay their way to come to KU, learn with a perrenial champions, be practice meat for the big dogs, and maybe earn some time on the court. Some have even stuck around for quite a while, though year 2 is not guarenteed and there quite honestly might not be room for you long term. And I'm fine with this version of rent a player as well.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 6 months ago

Your post ignores reality. Top programs are in on the better players early. This guy ain't one of those FIU, Green Bay, and Bradley?

"He looks pretty good." ??? Based on what? The video?

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 6 months ago

HEM is 100% correct. These kids are identified early in their high school careers, some even before high school.

master16 9 years, 6 months ago

I'm with you on this. The fact that we are recruiting a guy who is unranked with a 0 star rating on Rivals tells me a couple things:

  1. the recruits we wanted to fill that position did not commit to us, including the recent misses on transfers
  2. one of our guys may not qualify academically
  3. HCBS doesn't think we have enough depth at the guard spot, even if everyone qualifies

Maybe the kid is a stud, but then taking a look at his offer list seems to put that to rest.

Either way, he seems like the type of guy that will end up transferring. He's not a walk on, but unless he has more talent than expected, he will probably leave after a season.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 6 months ago

I received my Masters Degree at FIU and I agree. When Galindo left KU for FIU, he became a star and second-team all-conference. I really doubt that it will work out the same in reverse.

Cmill1221 9 years, 6 months ago

We will have 6 freshmen next season. They all can't be 5 star guys....

Jerry Martin 9 years, 6 months ago

i have often had the same ques. but i have a couple answers on that, i think. one, in a country our size with so many good players all over, for some kid to be in the top 200-300 in the nation is still very impressive. two, robinson, the morris's and even elijah were not real high on the top recruiting lists. look at tyrel reed. i think that athlete a bit lower on the list is gonna stay longer, at least through his junior year. and keep in mind bill self and his staff are as good as anyone in the country at developing players. robinson blasted on to the nba radar after an uneventful soph. season. the morris twins are the same story. they flew up the nba boards after their soph. season.

keep on rockin and chalkin!!!!

Swamphawk 9 years, 6 months ago

No offense to the kid, but it's a pretty strong statement to put him in the same recruit category as those guys you mentioned. According to Rivals TRob was ranked 31, EJ was ranked 24, Marcus ranked 29, Markeiff ranked 49 and Reed was 109. Doyle is a zero star. Pretty much everyone that has a shot at contributing is at least a 3 star. Merv, Quintrell Thomas and Royce Woolridge were our last three 3 stars, and none of them stayed.

Maybe this kid is a diamond in the rough, but if he chooses KU the path is steeply uphill I'd think. If he chooses us, the coaching staff must see something and I'll cheer for him like every other Jayhawk.

RJ King 9 years, 6 months ago

The players you mention were all highly ranked and heavily recruited.

Robinson - 4 stars, ranked #28-40 Twins = 4 stars, ranked 40's-50's Elijah = 5 stars, ranked #25=28

Reed was a 3 star player ranked #59-77. Other 3-star players over the past 10 years include Moulaye Niang, Jeff Graves, Jeremy Case, Brady Morningstar, Quintrell Thomas, Royce Woolridge, and Merv Lindsay. All, except Graves and Morningstar, rarely saw game time, and struggled to keep pace with the lofty expectations of our fans. Yes, they stay longer, unless they transfer out first.

Jerry Martin 9 years, 6 months ago

top 100's maybe, i dont remeber any being top 50. i like it when they get kids a little lower on the scale cause we do such a good job developing them and they usually stay longer. i dont want ku getting to the kentucky system of a bunch of 1 or 2 year kids that leave. again if youre top 300 in this country youre pretty darn good and coach self's staff can make you a lot better.

wrwlumpy 9 years, 6 months ago

You mean like Ray McCallum from Detroit. Self does know what he's doing.

Michael Pannacciulli 9 years, 6 months ago

IMO...we should not be competing ever against those schools for bball talent. Period. Yes that is elitist and we should consider ourselves elite because dammit we are.

9 years, 6 months ago

"The ratio of people to cake is too big."

"Now Milton, don't be greedy, let's pass it along and make sure everyone gets a piece."

Displayhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

Wait! ...... Doesn't Milton Bradley (Games) own Doyle (Cards)??? I'm so confused! ....... Ha!

ClydeTurnbuckle 9 years, 6 months ago

Translation: We desperately need a third guard. No Josiah Turner, no Mark Lyons, and maybe not even Anrio Adams. What if Naadir doesn't come around this season? What if EJ goes down to injury (sorry to even bring that up)? Niko Roberts could be looking at some serious minutes. I don't like that prospect.

KU_Dude 9 years, 6 months ago

Will he be the Merv Lindsay of 2012-2013?

Nutflush21 9 years, 6 months ago

He went to a little known high school and then transferred to Marshall only to have his entire junior year wiped out by a broken wrist. Senior year he tore up the Chicago Public League...

But, Doyle didnt play the AAU circuit last summer therefore never really got his name out there. He is ranked in the top ten for the state of Illinois and considered to be kid with tremendous upside.

As the first poster said, Im pretty sure the KU coaching staff knows what they are doing...

Jack Wilson 9 years, 6 months ago

Please do not say this guy will work hard, must be great because Self is having him for a visit, could be productive, etc. Perhaps many are past that.

Purely depth, if anything, if Adams doesn't pan out.

Can't even hardly find a player profile.

He is Merv Lindsay.

He should go to a mid-major (or Nebraska .. like I said, a mid-major) and actually get some PT.

Self is looking at this guy only as depth.

I mentioned Green Bay in a post above .. He made his initial decision between Western Michigan, Green Bay, and FIU .. stout competition. And now Bradley, Nebraska, and Colorado St.

Come on in, Mr. Doyle. Sit the bench for a season, be there in case we have devasting injuries or other events (plural), and then transfer somewhere elso after the season because you decide that you want better opportunities to actually play. Solely your decision. We have no problem with that. You then can always say you played at KU.

Ben Simonett 9 years, 6 months ago

Correct on all counts.

how come when you say it, people leave you alone. but when i say it, i get hounded?

Jim Jackson 9 years, 6 months ago

I'm thinking this is because the staff is unsure of the status of Anrio Adams.

I really hope Anrio qualifies.

kugrad93 9 years, 6 months ago

I think many of you missed the part where he missed his entire junior season and then commited to FIU in the fall BEFORE his senior season and before he scored 20 in the Chicago all-star game.

He could be a diamond in the rough for all we know. If Anrio isn't eligible, Self is going to need someone else. So you can trust Self, or you can take recruitig advice from knee-jerk posters.

This Chicago Sun Times writer, who has actually seen him play, has good things to say.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 6 months ago

Jay, you just beat me. From the article, "Doyle is the ultimate sleeper, an underrated talent who fits the cliché "his best basketball is ahead of him" perfectly. It's true. Doyle is just scratching the surface. He's long, wiry, active, extremely athletic and his skill level has improved the more he plays. The slashing guard averaged 19 points, 7 rebounds and nearly 5 assists a game for Marshall coach Henry Cotton this past season. Doyle was terrific in the Chicago Public League All-Star game in April, scoring 20 points in every way imaginable."

Hoops mag, whatever, called him a top 6 prospect in the class of 2012--I assume from the Chicagoland area.

". . . scoring points in every way imagineable." So, that's a problem?

Self still has detractors. Amazing.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 6 months ago

Jay & JK - You missed this part: "he's among the top eight prospects in the Hoops Report's Class of 2012 player rankings and an ideal prospect for a mid-major or mid-major plus program."

That sounds like Bradley, FIU, and Nebraska to me - not KU, but he'll be welcome practice meat for a year. Interestingly, the coach also says he doesn't want to think about transferring mid-career.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 6 months ago

Whether this kid is good or not, I want to know how Isiah Thomas keeps getting jobs...

ccarp 9 years, 6 months ago

Actually, I remember Isiah was fired at FIU. I don't think he is coaching anywhere at the moment.

jakejayhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

First, I know this venue is a vehicle for our opinions but come on. How do you know recruits don't read this? Remember the Henrys?

I believe our coaches have earned the right for us to trust their ability to scout talent. Remember the complaints about Tyshawn? Too bad all he did was lead us to within a hair's breadth of a national title.

And there were a lot of negative comments about last year's recruiting. We still ran the tournament to the end and won the conference. What is it going to take to please some of you? Do you realize the magnitude of this year's group of frosh? And then to add our two!

Milton, if Bill Self has confidence in you I would take you time and time again. Enjoy your visit and realize that there are few basketball opportunities that even come close to Jayhawk Nation. Imagine running out the tunnel and onto the court at Allen Field House. Goosebumps!

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 6 months ago

I don't march in lockstep for anybody. If you don't think Coach Self hasn't made recruiting errors, you're deluding yourself.

And about those negative comments..maybe with BMac or Traylor being eligible, it might have made the difference and put us over the top..or not. We'll never know.

How many of these players have made an impact at KU in the last two seasons: Jamari Traylor, Naadir Tharpe, Ben McLemore, Mervyn Lindsay, Braeden Anderson, Royce Woolridge, Josh Selby

There has not been any significant contribution from any recruit in the past two years..other then transfers. I think the criticism was warranted.

I also think that the next two incoming classes have us back on track but adding this kid sounds desperate and with only 2 days left in the spring signing period, it probably is.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 6 months ago

So getting the #1 recruit in the country wasn't a good recruit by KU? i think you ruined your own argument.

Naadir Tharpe didn't play much, but he did get playing time. There was one game that TT was out and NT played a lot of minutes (solid minutes).

If you have a scholarship to give, why not. If he doesn't work out...he transfers.

Ben McLemore should be solid next year and Jamari will get some PT. If you ask Bill Self, I bet he would take a red-shirt freshmen every single year if possible (let alone 2 of them).

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 6 months ago

Tharpe is your choice of discounting my comment? God knows we never would have made the final four without

Every coach makes mistakes... it comes with the job. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid if it makes you feel better.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 6 months ago

When a kid averages 19 a game and 7 boards in Chicago Public League's Red-West division that means he is playing against some top teams . Although I wondered too why he wasn't recruited more widely, a read of the article linked shows he missed his Junior year with a broken wrist. There may be something to this kid.

Sam Constance 9 years, 6 months ago

I wonder if some of the Mark Lyons naysayers are still as convinced that Lyons was not the right answer for a one-year solution at KU, given that, whatever you want to say about this kid (Milton Doyle), he will be a step back, in terms of basketball ability and experience, from Lyons.

Sometimes I think there is a contingent of posters who look at these recruiting articles in without any respect for context. There is an attitude I sense at times that it is our birthright as the Kansas basketball program to land whatever top-tier recruit that we set out sights on, and that any failure to do so can directly be traced back to a recruiting failure on the part of the coaches.

The simple truth is that there are no guarantees when trying to convince a 17/18-year old (with all sorts of family members with their own motivations) to do something. They aren't mature enough to see things for long-term consequences, and many times, the parents aren't bright enough to see it on behalf of their kid. That being said, there are two tactics that seem to be as close to a "guarantee" as you can get in recruiting, but neither are things that I want to see Self doing:

1) Offer money or compensation of some sort in exchange for play.

2) Offer PT and free reign in terms of playing style, discipline, etc..

Those are the only two things that will capture a teenager's attention--especially a top-ten recruit, NBA-bound teenager--with any degree of consistency. Money and guaranteed attention/showcase.

Unless those of you who believe we have suffered from "bad" recruiting the past 3-5 seasons are willing to have Self start either of those two approaches, we have to accept that getting the ultimate cream of the crop on recruiting talent is going to have to be fleeting. Anytime you have a great coach like Self, and a great program tradition like Kansas, and the great results of the past several years, you will be in the mix for top talent. But unless you take one of those "extra steps", you will often find yourself beholden to the whims of fickle teenagers and their slightly-less-fickle-but-envisioning-dollar-signs parents.

Just look at this fact: John Calipari pulled more top-tier recruits to Kentucky for the 2009 season, after Kentucky had spent half of the last decade being largely irrelevant, than Self did for the 2009 season, having just won a national title.

master16 9 years, 6 months ago

Most likely, KU is just suffering from one of those recruiting droughts that every school goes through every now and then. It doesn't help that UK is landing so many elite players.

Also, based purely on location, it may be harder to recruit to a midwest school like Kansas than it is a coast school like UCLA / UNC / Duke etc. That may be my opinion, but I think that it is true.

jdhawk1988 9 years, 6 months ago

You guys take Rival and Scout way too seriously... a Recruiting drought?? Just because we don't have all top 10 recruits or a couple every year. That is probably also what you guys said while complaining about our recruiting class in 1999, as all we had was 3 top 100 recruits #21, #22, and #61. It was Collison, Gooden, and Hinrich. Schools above us were Duke #3 Jason Williams, #8 Carlos Boozer. #16 Casey Sanders (Who??), #26 Mike Dunleavy Jr. Michigan #6 LaVell Blanchard (Who?), #24 Kevin Gaines (who?),#46 Jamal Crawford, #54 Josh Moore (Who?) Florida #1 Donnell Harvey, #7 Brett Nelson, #38 Matt Bonner UVA #23 Majestic Mapp. #28 Travis Watson, #37 Roger Mason Jr. Kentucky #2 Keith Bogans, #5 Marvin Stone, #92 Marquis Estill

If we went by rankings we and not scouting by are coaches we wouldn't have had our best recruiting class ever that was ranked 7th in the country that year overall.

Andy Hess 9 years, 6 months ago

So these are the recruits we garner serious interest from after making the national championship game? Decommits from freaking FIU? Depressing.

Mel Clare 9 years, 6 months ago

????????????? Really? I dont think any of us have the knowledge that the coaching staff has on ANY player! This kid may be a great sleeper that will be a cog in the wheel for 4 years! Morons!

You all think we will get top 10 kids every year? Geez......just came off a championship game and your **&%^$^ complaining because this kid may want to play at KU?

What would you all think if you chose KU JUST for your education and alot of people on some board who did not even know your character, your heart and soul, your drive and determination...............said NO.......we dont want you! You would feel like *&$%!

This tells me alot about the idiots and naysayers on have no clue what your talking about!

We have a top 10 incoming class right now.............BMac and Traylor will be eligible AND with a semester of training, practice and weight room,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

And you are all complaining..............wholly **&%!

Give this kid a chance...........anybody playing in the Chicago leagues are tough kids too! If he comes in and pans out to a good player......not great just good...........I hope you will all remember bashing him. I hope he comes in, works hard, gets experience, shows he can play and has a roll where he can play 12-18 minutes a game as a sophhmore to give rest to someone and be productive. You have to have these guys on the team you can trust......if its an official visit I think Self KNOWS alot more than any of us on this board............


Alohahawk 9 years, 6 months ago

After reading all the above posts, I agree with what most everyone has said. Low ranking, unknown commodity, no big name offers (ie. BCS schools, unless one considers Nebraska's basketball team as one.). Self scrambling? Yes. Covering a deficiency on next season's roster. Most definitely. As pointed out by a number of posters: What happens if Tharpe doesn't produce at a high enough level and needs another year to improve? What happens if Adams doesn't qualify? What happens if (heaven forbide) Johnson sustains a debilitating injury? So, everyone is wondering if Doyle is up to the task. But if Adams doesn't qualify (which Doyle's visit might forecast), to whom does Coach Self turn? Yes, KU has some great wings, but are they proficient enough at handling the guard duties? And does Self want to remove them from their most capable position? It isn't enough to just dribble the ball, the position also entails manuevering the team and setting up the offense. And just as importantly (in Self's offense), driving the lane and/or being able to score, both inside or out. In other words, someone who has already developed some guard abilities. >This problem has been hashed over since the past season ended. How many posters have stressed that Self needs another capable point guard, before he brings in another forward/center? But what guards are still available that have any chance of filling a point guard's shoes? I'd say give the young man a chance to prove himself. While it might seem unfair to Doyle (or any late recruiting pick up), I'm sure Coach Self will have given him the message up front that like other recruits who haven't been up to snuff, KU will help them find another school where they can, like Galindo did, become a star. If KU has a scholarship available, and currently there are two, I'd say KU shouldn't pass on a possible diamond in the rough.

SCHNBALL 9 years, 6 months ago

I will go out on a limb here and say sign this kid now, looks like a young Chalmers with long arms and a smooth J. Go ahead and start the beatdown. He has a pretty good handle too!

Alohahawk 9 years, 6 months ago

Maybe we should consider a possible scenario: Coach Self completely ignores the lesser recruits and only recruits the cream of the crop (Mickey D's), offering scholarships to every recruit ranked in the top 25, regardless of their filling the Jayhawk's needs, or if they fit into the overall chemistry of the team. But he strikes out on nine out of ten. Then, Coach Self has to revert to plan "B", and there lies the problem - He has no prior rapport with any of the medium ranked recruits and strikes out with all but one of them. But the Jayhawk legacy helps in that sale. So Self now has two recruits (one top 25, and one between 26 and 80). While the method is different, one could say this illustrates Self's recent reruiting results. Now lets say the top 25 guy is a OAD, leaving the 26 - 80 recruit for the next season. Project that out over a 5 year period, but let's say a couple more of the 26 - 80's progress leaving early for the next level. And there is one season ending injury (KU has been lucky, but look at N. Carolina). >Meanwhile, Self has refused to recruit lower than the 80 level, but he's short in a couple of positions (sound familiar?) And even though he has some open scholarships, he says I'll go with what I've got, praying that The Phog will watch over the team. Tadaa! Very similar to the 2012 season. The players were pretty much happy, because most everyone had their chance to play. But Coach Self was biting his nails, trying to stay ahead in the coaching headgames. He had very little to fall back on, very little reserve left in the tank as the season progressed. Admit it. KU had an exceptional season, but they got lucky, and the players never gave up on themselves. They believed! The 2012 team was an exception to the rule. >To stay ahead of the field Self can't rely on recruiting just OAD's (As Cal Lie Pari does), and I doubt whether the KU fans would want their teams made up in that fashion. If Self gets that occasional top five recruiting class, and stays close to the top ten in recruiting, that, and Coach Self's abilities should see the Jayhawks' post season rankings remain high. And who knows, KU might just uncover a few hidden gems.

chrismb01 9 years, 6 months ago

Anrio Adams just posted on his twitter a couple hours ago that he will be wearing the #2 for Kansas this year! He must have gotten a high enough score!

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 6 months ago

All I know from all of the posts above is if he puts a Jayhawk Jersey on, everyone will be rooting for his success.

I still think there is very little risk in getting him. Worse case scenario he doesn't pan out and is gone in a year. Best case scenario he is starting over Anrio or Elijah.

Wisconsin2Kansas 9 years, 6 months ago

Does anyone remember the name Gordon Hayward? I believe he took Butler to the National Championship and nearly won on a half court shot.

My point being is that you don't have to be a five star recruit to be successful at the college level, yet alone the NBA level. Obviously HCBS and his staff saw something in this kid that made them want to offer him a chance to play for KU. We don't need #1 recruits like Josh Selby. We need players that are going to want to put time and effort into their game and into their program to make them successful.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 6 months ago

Hayward was a 2 Scout, 3 Rivals, and at 6-7, 180 redefines slight build.

elan71 9 years, 6 months ago

Isn't this what everyone kept saying about Merv...maybe this guy is next years Merv?!?!

DCLawHawk 9 years, 6 months ago

Ordinarily I might understand the skepticism, but this kid is from Illinois. Does anyone on this board really think HCBS doesn't have the inside track (knowledge wise) on kids from Illinois? Show a little faith people!

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 6 months ago

+1, Honestly if there wasn't so much continuity in Kansas basketball I would probably lose interest. But you go from a year where you were rooting for TRob and TT after cheering on the Morris twins after following Cole and Sherron after watching Chalmers/Rush/Arthur after rooting just never ends. Now next year I get to root for the same EJ, TRel and W that showed more will to win than any group of players I've ever seen during their tourney run last year? Are you kidding me, it just never gets old and there's never a year we don't have returning players I look forward to seeing again. That's what's so crazy when people talk about "rebuilding" at KU, I can think back to at least 94-95 without really "rebuilding". After 04-05 was the closest I can remember because of JR getting kicked off, but KU still brought back Kaun/Jackson/Giles/JHawk to go with lone returning starter, Christian Moody!

Eventually UK will start having more Wiltjers and Cauleys and Harrows that can't make the NBA jump right away and won't get as many OAD players (just like losing Bennett to UNLV this year) that don't want to compete for playing time with those returning players. Right now they're basically managing to be the NBADL, giving guys a spotlight to play under for a year or two before jumping into the NBA. Of course if you comment that you like 4 year players like TT and EJ more than 1 or 2 year players like Teague and Lamb UK fans will call you jealous. I can understand how it would be exciting to watch the athleticism of a John Wall or MKG or AD all season, no doubt, but I'd rather watch Collins or Marcus or TRob in those years, guys I've seen work hard to get where they are and that have really become Kansas Jayhawks. Next year I'd rather have Withey than Noel, EJ and McLemore than Harrow and Goodwin, rather have Ellis than Poythress, and I wouldn't trade TRel for ShabazzM, not a chance.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 6 months ago

1] I want another 70 game home winning streak. 2] I want the next five Big 12 titles. 3] I want NCAA invitations for the next century. 4] I want a National Championship every four years or so. 5] I want Mizzou to suffer an endless SEC torture of football and basketball defeats.

Is that so much to ask??????

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 6 months ago

1) Working on it, up to what 22? Need at least 3 more years to make it happen. 2) Outlook is positive, '13-14 season could be tough due to youth but Self did it under similar circumstances in 05-06 right? I'd say be happy with 4 of the next 5 though. 3) You won't live that long. What are we at 23 in a row and all but 1 yr since the 64 team format in '85. How about another 27 straight to make it 50 and let's just make sure we don't let Duke have more tourney appearances than anyone else since '85. 4) We're behind schedule, 4 years might be too often, how about every 7? '14-15 looks promising. And only national titles, you don't want to add 3-4 FF's every decade to your list? 5) Who cares about Missery, if they whoop up on the SEC maybe SEC fans will zip it. It won't happen in football but with the arrogance spewing out of Lexington the way it is might actually be funny to see MU take the SEC title from UK next year, then watch 2 seed MU lose Norfolk St has been done, but another 15 seed of any name would work.

I know you're being facetious, but my dream list would be: 1) pass UK for all-time wins (preferably not because UK has a season erased but because KU wins so many games) down by 20 games right now 2) pass UK/Duke in all-time FF appearances (trailing them each by 1) 3) pick up 3 more NCAA tourney titles to take the total to 6 and National Titles to 8 and hopefully pass everyone but UK and UCLA in total National Titles while distancing KU from all the 2-3 title teams All in the next 20 years would be fantastic, hopefully with Bill Self at the helm the entire time. That would be awesome and next year could be huge in moving towards those marks as I think KU should be better than Duke and UK next season, has the best chance of those 3 to make the FF.

wildjayhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

This prerry well tells the story about Self's recruiting and how bad it has gone down hill in the past few years. Too bad we don't have John Calipari, he knows how to recruit.

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