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Monday, May 14, 2012

High school guard Milton Doyle expected to visit KU on Monday

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Kansas University is expected to receive a visitor Monday in 6-foot-4 guard Milton Doyle.

The Chicago Sun-Times indicated the guard, who averaged 19 points, seven rebounds and nearly five assists a game as a senior for Marshall High School in Chicago last season, was interested in KU following his decommitment from Florida International.

Doyle visited Bradley and also is considering Colorado State and Nebraska, according to the Chicago Tribune.

Doyle decided to not honor his commitment to FIU following the firing of coach Isiah Thomas.

Lisa Green, Doyle's mother, told the Tribune her son signed financial papers but not a letter-of-intent with FIU just in case Thomas decided to leave the school to take another position.

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Milton Doyle YouTube highlight video

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wildjayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

This prerry well tells the story about Self's recruiting and how bad it has gone down hill in the past few years. Too bad we don't have John Calipari, he knows how to recruit.

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Tony Bandle 1 year, 11 months ago

1] I want another 70 game home winning streak. 2] I want the next five Big 12 titles. 3] I want NCAA invitations for the next century. 4] I want a National Championship every four years or so. 5] I want Mizzou to suffer an endless SEC torture of football and basketball defeats.

Is that so much to ask??????

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William Blake 1 year, 11 months ago

3 of our seniors walked last weekend and picked up their diplomas.

We were first in the nation last year in the category of finishing at the top with real student-athletes. (obviously, you can't count Kentucky)

I'm glad we don't have a team full of OADS. Those guys couldn't give a shnip about KU and the Jayhawk Nation. I'd take a thousand players like Milton before going after another Selby. But then, I'm in this supporting a team that is competitive with real student-athletes. I could care less about OADs and if we lose to the Kentuckys of the world. Kentucky isn't playing college basketball. Their entire existence is based on a couple of rules with the NBA. We exist through the history of basketball and we should not become a gimmick team, like Kentucky.

Some people in here need to figure out what they want from KU and college basketball.

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DCLawHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Ordinarily I might understand the skepticism, but this kid is from Illinois. Does anyone on this board really think HCBS doesn't have the inside track (knowledge wise) on kids from Illinois? Show a little faith people!

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elan71 1 year, 11 months ago

Isn't this what everyone kept saying about Merv...maybe this guy is next years Merv?!?!

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Wisconsin2Kansas 1 year, 11 months ago

Does anyone remember the name Gordon Hayward? I believe he took Butler to the National Championship and nearly won on a half court shot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6Bi7l...

My point being is that you don't have to be a five star recruit to be successful at the college level, yet alone the NBA level. Obviously HCBS and his staff saw something in this kid that made them want to offer him a chance to play for KU. We don't need #1 recruits like Josh Selby. We need players that are going to want to put time and effort into their game and into their program to make them successful.

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jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

All I know from all of the posts above is if he puts a Jayhawk Jersey on, everyone will be rooting for his success.

I still think there is very little risk in getting him. Worse case scenario he doesn't pan out and is gone in a year. Best case scenario he is starting over Anrio or Elijah.

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chrismb01 1 year, 11 months ago

Anrio Adams just posted on his twitter a couple hours ago that he will be wearing the #2 for Kansas this year! He must have gotten a high enough score!

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Jay Dogger 1 year, 11 months ago

This guy made First Team All-Public High School (along with Jabari Parker) in Chicago. That's pretty good, right?

I'll be the first to admit that when I looked him up on ESPN and saw him listed as NR with no evaluation...I was skeptical. Even Merv got a write-up!

I watched the video twice and he looks good, but they always do in a highlight reel. Anybody with a discerning eye care to weigh in? (I didn't see much defense going on but maybe I wasn't looking close enough.)

If Adams doesn't qualify Doyle might be the best available and we should be glad for the visit. I wish we could find out something definitive regarding Adams. And Harris.

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Alohahawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Maybe we should consider a possible scenario: Coach Self completely ignores the lesser recruits and only recruits the cream of the crop (Mickey D's), offering scholarships to every recruit ranked in the top 25, regardless of their filling the Jayhawk's needs, or if they fit into the overall chemistry of the team. But he strikes out on nine out of ten. Then, Coach Self has to revert to plan "B", and there lies the problem - He has no prior rapport with any of the medium ranked recruits and strikes out with all but one of them. But the Jayhawk legacy helps in that sale. So Self now has two recruits (one top 25, and one between 26 and 80). While the method is different, one could say this illustrates Self's recent reruiting results. Now lets say the top 25 guy is a OAD, leaving the 26 - 80 recruit for the next season. Project that out over a 5 year period, but let's say a couple more of the 26 - 80's progress leaving early for the next level. And there is one season ending injury (KU has been lucky, but look at N. Carolina). >Meanwhile, Self has refused to recruit lower than the 80 level, but he's short in a couple of positions (sound familiar?) And even though he has some open scholarships, he says I'll go with what I've got, praying that The Phog will watch over the team. Tadaa! Very similar to the 2012 season. The players were pretty much happy, because most everyone had their chance to play. But Coach Self was biting his nails, trying to stay ahead in the coaching headgames. He had very little to fall back on, very little reserve left in the tank as the season progressed. Admit it. KU had an exceptional season, but they got lucky, and the players never gave up on themselves. They believed! The 2012 team was an exception to the rule. >To stay ahead of the field Self can't rely on recruiting just OAD's (As Cal Lie Pari does), and I doubt whether the KU fans would want their teams made up in that fashion. If Self gets that occasional top five recruiting class, and stays close to the top ten in recruiting, that, and Coach Self's abilities should see the Jayhawks' post season rankings remain high. And who knows, KU might just uncover a few hidden gems.

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SCHNBALL 1 year, 11 months ago

I will go out on a limb here and say sign this kid now, looks like a young Chalmers with long arms and a smooth J. Go ahead and start the beatdown. He has a pretty good handle too!

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Alohahawk 1 year, 11 months ago

After reading all the above posts, I agree with what most everyone has said. Low ranking, unknown commodity, no big name offers (ie. BCS schools, unless one considers Nebraska's basketball team as one.). Self scrambling? Yes. Covering a deficiency on next season's roster. Most definitely. As pointed out by a number of posters: What happens if Tharpe doesn't produce at a high enough level and needs another year to improve? What happens if Adams doesn't qualify? What happens if (heaven forbide) Johnson sustains a debilitating injury? So, everyone is wondering if Doyle is up to the task. But if Adams doesn't qualify (which Doyle's visit might forecast), to whom does Coach Self turn? Yes, KU has some great wings, but are they proficient enough at handling the guard duties? And does Self want to remove them from their most capable position? It isn't enough to just dribble the ball, the position also entails manuevering the team and setting up the offense. And just as importantly (in Self's offense), driving the lane and/or being able to score, both inside or out. In other words, someone who has already developed some guard abilities. >This problem has been hashed over since the past season ended. How many posters have stressed that Self needs another capable point guard, before he brings in another forward/center? But what guards are still available that have any chance of filling a point guard's shoes? I'd say give the young man a chance to prove himself. While it might seem unfair to Doyle (or any late recruiting pick up), I'm sure Coach Self will have given him the message up front that like other recruits who haven't been up to snuff, KU will help them find another school where they can, like Galindo did, become a star. If KU has a scholarship available, and currently there are two, I'd say KU shouldn't pass on a possible diamond in the rough.

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Mel Clare 1 year, 11 months ago

????????????? Really? I dont think any of us have the knowledge that the coaching staff has on ANY player! This kid may be a great sleeper that will be a cog in the wheel for 4 years! Morons!

You all think we will get top 10 kids every year? Geez......just came off a championship game and your **&%^$^ complaining because this kid may want to play at KU?

What would you all think if you chose KU JUST for your education and alot of people on some board who did not even know your character, your heart and soul, your drive and determination...............said NO.......we dont want you! You would feel like *&$%!

This tells me alot about the idiots and naysayers on here...........you have no clue what your talking about!

We have a top 10 incoming class right now.............BMac and Traylor will be eligible AND with a semester of training, practice and weight room,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

And you are all complaining..............wholly **&%!

Give this kid a chance...........anybody playing in the Chicago leagues are tough kids too! If he comes in and pans out to a good player......not great just good...........I hope you will all remember bashing him. I hope he comes in, works hard, gets experience, shows he can play and has a roll where he can play 12-18 minutes a game as a sophhmore to give rest to someone and be productive. You have to have these guys on the team you can trust......if its an official visit I think Self KNOWS alot more than any of us on this board............

Morons..............

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Konkis Dongington III 1 year, 11 months ago

Point is, take this kid for what he is. No reason to by hyperbolic. No reason for hysterics on either side. If you think he's a hidden treasure, good for you. If you think he's a waste of time, too bad. Fact of the matter is, only time will tell. Self does make errors, but he has as of yet to lead us massively astray. Save complaints for when we're not a consistently ranked, top tier program.

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Konkis Dongington III 1 year, 11 months ago

Ah, I love how heated recruiting debates get. Right now anything said about this kid one way or another is speculative other than what we know from the story and the recruiting websites. He's not on any one's radar except for hoops report. That doesn't make him bad or not worth while, but it should be enough to let you know that you're not looking at the next Tyshawn Taylor, let alone Mario Chalmers. Yes, things like missing a season and skipping AAU ball are going to hurt in raising your profile, but even Zach Peters was still able to stay in the top 150 while focusing on football. Could he be a steal? Sure. Stephen Curry wasn't on anyone's recruiting radar and would have remained unknown if he didn't come within a shot of reaching the FF against the eventual 2008 champs. Scottie Pippin and Dennis Rodman were both DII players before becoming multiple time NBA champs. Linsanity anyone? But it's unlikely to be the case.

Still, I've got no problem recruiting this kid. I don't think it's desperate. We've got two pgs for next season, 3 if AA qualifies. If we're looking for an Adams backup, then I'd look for him to transfer out after a season. I know there are plenty of folks that don't think lowbie/unranked recruits are worth our time, but by and large, they don't hurt us in the long run, so why all the hand wringing? I think it's way worse for our brand when the Alex Galindos and Micah Downs of the world are transferring away than when it's the Merv Lindsays.

The oft repeated mantra of those who would pass on such players is that they are beneath us and that other blue blood programs always recruit at a super high level, and that KU is lagging somehow. Fact of the matter is, only UK and UNC have been dragging in AAs by the classful consistently in the past 5 years or so, and looking at where we've been compared to where they've been, I'd say we're doing just fine.

I mean, for all of the highly touted recruits UK has year in, year out, they've hurt their long term competitiveness by not having a strong core of 3 and 4 year players. They wouldn't have been the team they were this year if not for the NBA lockout convincing Lamb and Jones to stick around, and having kids like Miller, a hold over from the Gillespie years. Despite what UK fans will tell you, they aren't going to be back-to-back title threats despite having a very impressive class. They just don't have the kids to back fill what years of OAD classes have done to the roster. With all of Gillespie's talent gone, there are none of the veterans that were essential to their past 2 FF runs. UNC on the other hand, has taken loads of talent to the NIT finals and lost. That's not a place I'd want to be either.

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Andy Hess 1 year, 11 months ago

So these are the recruits we garner serious interest from after making the national championship game? Decommits from freaking FIU? Depressing.

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jdhawk1988 1 year, 11 months ago

You guys take Rival and Scout way too seriously... a Recruiting drought?? Just because we don't have all top 10 recruits or a couple every year. That is probably also what you guys said while complaining about our recruiting class in 1999, as all we had was 3 top 100 recruits #21, #22, and #61. It was Collison, Gooden, and Hinrich. Schools above us were Duke #3 Jason Williams, #8 Carlos Boozer. #16 Casey Sanders (Who??), #26 Mike Dunleavy Jr. Michigan #6 LaVell Blanchard (Who?), #24 Kevin Gaines (who?),#46 Jamal Crawford, #54 Josh Moore (Who?) Florida #1 Donnell Harvey, #7 Brett Nelson, #38 Matt Bonner UVA #23 Majestic Mapp. #28 Travis Watson, #37 Roger Mason Jr. Kentucky #2 Keith Bogans, #5 Marvin Stone, #92 Marquis Estill

If we went by rankings we and not scouting by are coaches we wouldn't have had our best recruiting class ever that was ranked 7th in the country that year overall.

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Sam Constance 1 year, 11 months ago

I wonder if some of the Mark Lyons naysayers are still as convinced that Lyons was not the right answer for a one-year solution at KU, given that, whatever you want to say about this kid (Milton Doyle), he will be a step back, in terms of basketball ability and experience, from Lyons.

Sometimes I think there is a contingent of posters who look at these recruiting articles in without any respect for context. There is an attitude I sense at times that it is our birthright as the Kansas basketball program to land whatever top-tier recruit that we set out sights on, and that any failure to do so can directly be traced back to a recruiting failure on the part of the coaches.

The simple truth is that there are no guarantees when trying to convince a 17/18-year old (with all sorts of family members with their own motivations) to do something. They aren't mature enough to see things for long-term consequences, and many times, the parents aren't bright enough to see it on behalf of their kid. That being said, there are two tactics that seem to be as close to a "guarantee" as you can get in recruiting, but neither are things that I want to see Self doing:

1) Offer money or compensation of some sort in exchange for play.

2) Offer PT and free reign in terms of playing style, discipline, etc..

Those are the only two things that will capture a teenager's attention--especially a top-ten recruit, NBA-bound teenager--with any degree of consistency. Money and guaranteed attention/showcase.

Unless those of you who believe we have suffered from "bad" recruiting the past 3-5 seasons are willing to have Self start either of those two approaches, we have to accept that getting the ultimate cream of the crop on recruiting talent is going to have to be fleeting. Anytime you have a great coach like Self, and a great program tradition like Kansas, and the great results of the past several years, you will be in the mix for top talent. But unless you take one of those "extra steps", you will often find yourself beholden to the whims of fickle teenagers and their slightly-less-fickle-but-envisioning-dollar-signs parents.

Just look at this fact: John Calipari pulled more top-tier recruits to Kentucky for the 2009 season, after Kentucky had spent half of the last decade being largely irrelevant, than Self did for the 2009 season, having just won a national title.

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Steve Gantz 1 year, 11 months ago

When a kid averages 19 a game and 7 boards in Chicago Public League's Red-West division that means he is playing against some top teams . Although I wondered too why he wasn't recruited more widely, a read of the article linked shows he missed his Junior year with a broken wrist. There may be something to this kid.

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Jay Dogger 1 year, 11 months ago

Now I want him to sign just to see ahperse's head explode! Remember when Merv signed last June? There must have been 500 posts about that.

Regarding Adams, this reminds me of early last fall...right before we found out about McLemore, Traylor and Anderson could not play. The Chicago paper says it's an official trip to KU, and HCBS obviously knows more about the Adams situation than we do. Is he hedging his bets or is he scrambling to find the best available replacement?

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jakejayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

First, I know this venue is a vehicle for our opinions but come on. How do you know recruits don't read this? Remember the Henrys?

I believe our coaches have earned the right for us to trust their ability to scout talent. Remember the complaints about Tyshawn? Too bad all he did was lead us to within a hair's breadth of a national title.

And there were a lot of negative comments about last year's recruiting. We still ran the tournament to the end and won the conference. What is it going to take to please some of you? Do you realize the magnitude of this year's group of frosh? And then to add our two redshirts...wow!

Milton, if Bill Self has confidence in you I would take you time and time again. Enjoy your visit and realize that there are few basketball opportunities that even come close to Jayhawk Nation. Imagine running out the tunnel and onto the court at Allen Field House. Goosebumps!

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Andy Tweedy 1 year, 11 months ago

Whether this kid is good or not, I want to know how Isiah Thomas keeps getting jobs...

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kugrad93 1 year, 11 months ago

I think many of you missed the part where he missed his entire junior season and then commited to FIU in the fall BEFORE his senior season and before he scored 20 in the Chicago all-star game.

He could be a diamond in the rough for all we know. If Anrio isn't eligible, Self is going to need someone else. So you can trust Self, or you can take recruitig advice from knee-jerk posters.

This Chicago Sun Times writer, who has actually seen him play, has good things to say.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2012/05/marshalls_doyle_visiting_kansa.html

http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2012/04/marshalls_milton_doyle_talente.html

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Jim Jackson 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm thinking this is because the staff is unsure of the status of Anrio Adams.

I really hope Anrio qualifies.

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Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

Please do not say this guy will work hard, must be great because Self is having him for a visit, could be productive, etc. Perhaps many are past that.

Purely depth, if anything, if Adams doesn't pan out.

Can't even hardly find a player profile.

He is Merv Lindsay.

He should go to a mid-major (or Nebraska .. like I said, a mid-major) and actually get some PT.

Self is looking at this guy only as depth.

I mentioned Green Bay in a post above .. He made his initial decision between Western Michigan, Green Bay, and FIU .. stout competition. And now Bradley, Nebraska, and Colorado St.

Come on in, Mr. Doyle. Sit the bench for a season, be there in case we have devasting injuries or other events (plural), and then transfer somewhere elso after the season because you decide that you want better opportunities to actually play. Solely your decision. We have no problem with that. You then can always say you played at KU.

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Nutflush21 1 year, 11 months ago

He went to a little known high school and then transferred to Marshall only to have his entire junior year wiped out by a broken wrist. Senior year he tore up the Chicago Public League...

But, Doyle didnt play the AAU circuit last summer therefore never really got his name out there. He is ranked in the top ten for the state of Illinois and considered to be kid with tremendous upside.

As the first poster said, Im pretty sure the KU coaching staff knows what they are doing...

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KU_Dude 1 year, 11 months ago

Will he be the Merv Lindsay of 2012-2013?

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Jay Dogger 1 year, 11 months ago

This does not make me optimistic that Anrio Adams will qualify. Bummer if he doesn't. It also made me flashback to Merv.

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ClydeTurnbuckle 1 year, 11 months ago

Translation: We desperately need a third guard. No Josiah Turner, no Mark Lyons, and maybe not even Anrio Adams. What if Naadir doesn't come around this season? What if EJ goes down to injury (sorry to even bring that up)? Niko Roberts could be looking at some serious minutes. I don't like that prospect.

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Lebowski 1 year, 11 months ago

Who says KU is checking him out? He's coming to visit, I see no mention here of it being an "official" visit or Self offerering him a scholarship. Maybe he is considering walking on.

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Displayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Wait! ...... Doesn't Milton Bradley (Games) own Doyle (Cards)??? I'm so confused! ....... Ha!

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1 year, 11 months ago

"The ratio of people to cake is too big."

"Now Milton, don't be greedy, let's pass it along and make sure everyone gets a piece."

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Gavin Fritton 1 year, 11 months ago

I admit that I don't know enough about recruiting to say whether a player is good or bad for KU. And I trust Bill Self to know anyway. But am I the only one who worries when we're looking at kids who are looking at schools like FIU and Bradley? I mean, is it good that we're competing with Nebraska for this young man's services?

I'm not sayin'. I'm just asking. Again, I know nothing.

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