Monday, May 14, 2012

Chicago prep guard pays KU a visit


Kansas University may soon be adding a reinforcement to its backcourt for the 2012-13 men’s basketball season.

Milton Doyle, a 6-foot-4, 185-pound senior combo guard out of Chicago’s Marshall High, arrived on KU’s campus Monday for an official recruiting visit. The first-team Chicago Sun Times All-Public League selection and third-team Chicago Tribune all-stater recently decommitted from Florida International following the firing of coach Isiah Thomas.

Doyle, who averaged 19 points, seven rebounds and just under five assists per game his senior season, also has Nebraska and Colorado State on his list and recently made a recruiting trip to Bradley, which has since filled its allotment of scholarships. His mom, Lisa Green, tells that KU is her son’s “No. 1 dream school” and, while nothing is official yet, he doesn’t plan to make any other campus visits.

“I call him the quiet assassin,” Marshall coach Henry Cotton told the Chicago Sun Times. “He just goes about his job relentlessly. If he had waited (until second semester), he could have gone anywhere he wanted to, but he was loyal to the people who showed him interest (FIU) when no one else did. That’s the way he is.”

Cotton said the lanky Doyle, who is known for his slashing ability, “is a great player. If had played a little bit more and been out on the circuit a little bit more, he definitely could have played in the McDonald’s All-American game. He’s got natural talent. There is nothing that he can’t do on the floor. He can defend, he can pass, he can shoot it, he can drive to the basket and he can create for others, he can make people around him better and he can make himself better.”

Doyle, who last month scored 20 points in the Chicago Public League all-star game, is unranked nationally by He missed his entire junior season after transferring from Chicago Tilden to Chicago Marshall because of a broken wrist. He did not play AAU ball in July last year, instead concentrating on his academic work.

“Doyle is the ultimate sleeper, an underrated talent who fits the cliché ‘his best basketball is ahead of him’ perfectly. It’s true,” wrote Joe Henricksen of the Chicago Sun Times. “Doyle is just scratching the surface. He’s long, wiry, active, extremely athletic and his skill level has improved the more he plays.

“Doyle remained a rather unknown (his senior year). Florida International snuck in and nabbed a commitment from Doyle last fall before the kid’s talent blew the top off and he became a hot commodity. Thomas, however, was fired following the season and Doyle was back on the open market. ... You just don’t typically find a talent this late in the recruiting game like Doyle, who has tremendous upside and untapped potential,” Henricksen added.

Noted “(He is) a stellar athlete who was among top five players in Chicago Public League based on performance this past season.  Excels at slashing and has a tremendous mid-range game.”

His mom figures KU will land a commitment.

“I would say that it’s his choice. Kansas has already offered a scholarship, but he wanted to go see the school and see how things are at Kansas,” she said. “Milton just wants to spend a little time at Kansas and see what it’s all about. Kansas will be his third official visit (besides FIU, Bradley), so he’s got two visits left. My guess is he’s going to be sold on Kansas, so I don’t think he’ll use his final two visits, but I don’t know for sure.”

KU is also awaiting word from University of South Carolina sophomore Damontre Harris, a 6-9 forward who is down to KU and Florida. Anrio Adams, a 6-3 senior combo guard from Seattle’s Rainier Beach High, said again this week he plans to arrive at KU in June for summer school. He’s committed to KU, but has not yet signed a letter-of-intent as he awaits his latest standardized test score.

“I Will Be Wearing #2 For Kansas! This Year,” Adams wrote on Facebook on Monday.

Agents: KU senior guard Tyshawn Taylor, who graduated Sunday, has signed with Excel Sports Management and agent Jeff Schwartz. Excel also represents former KU players Paul Pierce, Mario Chalmers, Nick Collison and Cole Aldrich. Thomas Robinson, who is leaving KU after his junior year, has signed with Dutt Sports Services and agent Tony Dutt. Dutt also represents former KU players Marcus and Markieff Morris.

Transfer talk: Former Texas Tech forward Terran Petteway has decided to transfer to Nebraska. Petteway played 13.1 minutes per game for the Red Raiders last season. ... Julius Mays, a point guard from Wright State, has transferred to Kentucky, where he’s immediately eligible following his graduation.


wildjayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

He had offers from Nebraska and Colorado, come on, has the Self's recruiting hit that low.


Jim Jackson 1 year, 11 months ago

Bill goes after the best players possible. Recruiting is too unpredictable and too competitive to pursue kids that "fit a system".

It's a sales job; you have to after as many prospects as you can, and hope to land a few while missing out on most.

If the Chi town press is giving him that much positive feedback, I would say it is safe to pursue this kid. The writers emphatic about him being a big time talent.

Still,I really hope Anrio is eligible.

Anyone know, if he doesn't sign the NLI by todays deadline, is he ineligible for the year? He can't sign after he gets his ACT score back?


michael anway 1 year, 11 months ago

If Self need another scholarship, Tharpe looks ripe for a readshirt year. He needs to get bigger and stronger if he's going to contribute.


jhawkln 1 year, 11 months ago

It's hard to believe JR Giddens was drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1st round and Chalmers was taken in the 2nd round in that draft. Just a random thought.


REHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Off subject, but did anyone see Cole nail down those 7 points in the Thunder victory over the Lakers last night? Collison played a terrific game. Sometimes difficult for me to remember Durant as a Longhorn OAD. Seems as tho his skill and demeanor represent the very best in the way of Jayhawk Hoops. I have always thought that he and D. Manning might have worked extremely well together. What a legacy that might have made, both for Danny and our program. I hope KD never gets arrested for dropping his pants in public. He would appear to be the super posterplayer for whatever is best in the current NBA. Certainly does cast a good face on Big 12 Basketball. Rick Barnes hit a humongous home run, signing Kevin to play in Austin.


Steve Kubler 1 year, 11 months ago

If he can keep that sweet 3-ball in a dome sign him today!

Recruiting comes and goes, but our expectations always stay the same. Not real fair perhaps but for the past 30 years(or so) I have come to expect at least an elite 8 appearance. We got that this year, plus more. It was one of the most exciting seasons from start to finish in the last decade. To blazes with worrying about OADs and ratings in general. Just give me more great team players playing as a team with a great coach to direct them.

I could stand to see a few more teams like the one we had this year, just not sure my heart can. Although I would like to see a couple of guys that can shoot threes in a dome!!


milehighhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Had my doubts about him, but after seeing the comment that he's one of the top 5 players in Chicago, I thought:

"Oh...Doyle Rules!"


jaybate 1 year, 11 months ago

Doesn't Self stripping a recruit away from Dr. Albino and Doc Sadler replacement Tim Miles at Lincoln Logs College of the Unicameral Husks count for anything with you people?

Can't we take even a little joy in kicking the Cornshuckers, when they are down?

Wasn't Doc a member in good standing with the Okie Baller Mafia and doesn't Self owe it to Doc to stick Dr. Albino his Colorado State "find?"

And don't we all owe the Cornhusker's Self-Lotioners a poke in the eye for leaving the B12 just to keep Buffet on the side of the anti-Super Corridor and anti-bitumen plumbing folks?

Is nothing sweet to you people?


Seriously, he sounds like sleeper to me. A long shot. But still a sleeper. A guy Isaiah used some influence to land, when few were looking--a kind of influence we probably don't want to know about either.

Perhaps if the kid were as terrific of a sleeper as his coach claims, then some schools would be afraid of Isaiah radiation.

So:why not Self?

How do you spell: c-l-e-a-n?

Self took in Josh Selby, when a lot of folks were nervous about his Bruce Perl radiation. And, in fact, apparently Josh did get a fine tooth comb treatment from the NCAA that eventually lead to him sitting out awhile, because of inappropriate assistance in his past.

My guess signing a player like Josh, or perhaps Milton in the case at hand, causes a lot of programs with skeletons to hide to shy away.

Maybe Milton really is as good as his high school coach indicates.

Maybe Milton has Isaiah radiation.

Maybe that radiation will trigger some fine tooth combing of Milton and the school he signs with.

Maybe Self knows KU is clean and can stand the fine tooth combing.


Or maybe Milton is just a marginal player with some size at PG that Self views as a potential One And Flush, OAF as I now like to call them.

OAFs are the the guys you bring in to fill out a scout squad with more athleticism than you can expect from walk-ons, but not enough to pencil them in for a 4-5 year commitment. They come for a year and move on.

When will the NCAA ever, ever, ever, ever clean rescind this cruel rule and make schools commit for four years plus a red shirt?

We will know, as many (but not me) recognized with Merv Lindsey, for sure by December, whether, or not, Milton is a sleeper, or a Merv, a great find, or an OAF.


Tony Bandle 1 year, 11 months ago

mgphill...of course no one can assure you what goes through the mind of an elite 18 year old athlete, but if this video influences them, what chance did we have anyway?

How about two National Championship games in the span of five years with a NC included. How about the fact that despite what happened in the Big Show, Bill helped them get there. How about the fact that Bill will send up two more Hawks to the NBA this draft?

Someone went to a lot of trouble to make Bill look bad. Why???? Because Bill is very, very good and that's bad for the rest of Division One!!!


mgphill 1 year, 11 months ago

Can anyone reassure me that videos like the following are not to blame?


Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

HawkKlaw: Seems like someone loves his rivals rankings .. using them to identify the top recruits, it appears. How can that be?

Self, though, has missed on some top guys. No doubt. But so has everyone else this side of Kentucky. It ebbs and flows. Lots of factors go into recruiting. Immediate playing time seems to be one that costs us on a few guys. That's fine with me. I love the guys in the 20 - 70 range. I agree with posters that suggest this is Self's best range for recruits, for his system, for player development.

What I personally don't care for are really guys outside of the top 100 being relied upon to provide significant contributions. History shows the odds aren't in your favor.

But what I always say when folks criticize rankings is to trust Coach Self. Somehow folks seem to think that if Coach Self signs a low or unranked player that he loves the kid. That's not true. It is what he is left with (Peters the exception .. but I recall him higher at the time of his commitment. Maybe 80ish?). He always recruits the higher guys, and then if/when they don't pan out, he moves lower. That's how we get Jamari Traylor, Braeden Anderson, Landen Lucas. Or now Milton Bradley .. or Doyle .. or whatever.

This past season, he was "all in" on Kaleb Tarczewski. Well documented. And he missed. Sometimes trying to hit the home run (meaning showing the kid that he is your only target, that you love the kid, etc, in hopes of that helping you convince him), leads to a dramatic strike out. He then was stuck with Landen Lucas. Not his preference. If he gets Tarc, Lucas isn't here. If he gets Nash/Chol, Traylor isn't here and Anderson never happened. Trust Coach Self. See who he's offering. Check their rankings. How many non-top 100 guys does he offer? The answer ... None ... until he is told no by other top 100.

If 2011-12 proved anything, it is that we will win so long as Coach Self is the coach. He'll find the right mix. It's just that the chances of a national title do go up, when you have top guys (see 2008). But we do have a coach that can get us there even if we don't have multiple top guys (see 2012).

It's good to be a Jayhawk.


Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

Rio? Harris? Milt? (we did okay with another Kansas Milt) I like Rio spirit! ('I will be wearing #2 for Kansas. This year") I like anyone who said that Kansas is his 'Dream Number One' school. How can we go wrong? Rock Chalk the Cupboards are Stocked!


Miguel Colón 1 year, 11 months ago

Ok, say we get both Harris and Doyle, how does this affect the recruitment of Freeman and Chris Walker? I mean these are two kids we have a real shot at, but with Doyle and Rio and McClemore stays more than one year, where is the PT? Same for Walker with all these bigs? Not to mention we got Greene coming.


jaymar74 1 year, 11 months ago

Just a wild thought, but I say we let Bill Self coach our team and manage it's makeup.


Alex Resnik 1 year, 11 months ago

"He did not play AAU ball in July last year, instead concentrating on his academic work." This is my favorite part of the article. This kid gave up a season of AAU so that he could get his academics in order. Love where his head is at and I LOVE 6-4 point gaurds that slash. If I had to choose between AA and MD.. I think I'm taking MD just because he made sure his academics were in order before he focused on basketball. Good luck Milton Doyle! Hope to see you in a KU uni VERY soon!!


ClydeTurnbuckle 1 year, 11 months ago

How is no one getting that KU has a serious problem with our lack of guards! Lots of teams start three or even four guards. We have a grand total of two on our roster and one of them had trouble getting the ball across half court last year.

Yes, we are going to make B Mac play a two guard. But that is not his natural position. He played in the post until his junior year of high school and then they moved him to a wing.

Fatigue, injuries, foul trouble, breaking the press, waiting for Naadir to find the game that everyone knows he has......This backcourt has some issues man.


HawkKlaw 1 year, 11 months ago

Why does everyone keep posting about Bill Self missing out on recruits? From what I can tell he's landed quite a few great prospects recently:

Perry Ellis (McD's All-American, Ranked #24) Andrew White (Ranked #56) Zach Peters (Ranked #144)

And from last season, even despite the late recruiting dash: Ben McLemore (Ranked #17) Naadir Tharpe (Ranked #91) Jamari Traylor (Ranked #141)

Out of those six players, at least three are going to be big-time contributors and possibly starters at KU. Combine that with returning studs in Elijah Johnson (Ranked #24), Jeff Withey (Ranked #36) and Travis Releford (Ranked #70) and I think you've got yourself a heck of a team. Not worth complaining about IMO.

So I don't think Self is missing out on a whole lot. Sure, there are the big name players that go to places like UK and UNC, but like others have said, Self recruits players that fit his system. If a player doesn't want to focus on defense, passing the ball around to the open man, or working hard in general to earn playing time, he will probably think twice about playing at KU (not to mention that Kansas is not exactly a destination of choice for guys that will only be playing college ball for a year or two). Not to say that anyone who doesn't choose to come to KU is lazy and egotistical, but it's obvious that Self does not cater to these types of players. If you don't work hard on defense, you don't play at Kansas.


bhol 1 year, 11 months ago

I like this guy. Real quick and looks like a good shooter, but probably not an immediate contributor.


Ralster Jayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Freddy has the post I most agree with. Self can recruit Chicago (Julian, Sherron, Traylor, Mario Litte, and his recruiting while at Illinois). Self's success with Chicago kids & at Illinois may still reverberate with area highschool+AAU coaches, so if those voices in a youngster's ears suggest they will do well under Self at KU, they will be more likely to consider KU. Self's 1 remorse in leaving Illini for the KU job was that he had his Chicago-pipeline-recruiting up-and-running (he says so in his book), as that was/is still a midwestern city, and apparently Bill Self found a way to relate to those kids.

I personally see a 6'4 185lb Tyshawn-esque "package". It is pure speculation to know if the kid can contribute as a frosh or not. I do NOT buy the notion that we will play him a ton of minutes, as people forget a frosh "running" a Self offense is never pretty (see Chalmers, RussRob, Tharpe, Tyshawn, Elijah...). Tyshawn started as the 2guard, and basically learned on the fly--and learned from Sherron. Tyshawn I think very consciously pushed his game from what it was in highschool, to a much more aggressive one. In the end, Tyshawn will be sorely (!!!!) missed.

Self also does way more with the talent in-hand than any other coach Ive seen. You could argue for that Butler coach, but whoa, where was Butler this last season??? I was nervous at the start of this no-Mickey-D season, purely from a pressure standpoint, since Self's own benchmark with a no-Mickey-D team was his last Tulsa squad that went 32-5, Elite8 in 1999. Well, he surpassed that. His system works. Maybe the only critique of Self is that his undertalented teams outperform his overtalented teams. It seems to be counterintuitive to have all that "bench" talent like we did in 2009-10, and 2010-11, see it not see much floor time...then to lose early (UNI, VCU)...then have almost no bench...and go all the way to the final game...Again, this is a low-numbers argument, since people can similarly argue that 08Champs were a fluke, and 1 Davidson trey from being another Elite8 bounce.

The best thing for Self in 11-12 was being forced to use low-system-time players like Kevin Young, and some of Tharpe. You saw Wesley not able to shine. Tharpe was so-so. Young had a decent off-the-bench season, about like Teahan. Will this translate into Self going deeper into his bench when he has a 'loaded bench'? Hehe, who knows!


Fred Davis 1 year, 11 months ago

Reading about this Milton Doyle kid, he is not some 'extra body' that is going to take up space and simply be used for depth. This kid can play. You don't end up as one of the top players in Chicago as a scrub - this kid has game. From what I've read, this kid has been an anomaly when it comes to the recruiting process and getting his name out there. He's a victim of switching schools, getting hurt, no AAU exposure and then under a cloak of darkness signs with Isaiah Thomas out of nowhere, and boom, the kid goes unnoticed.

I say props to the KU coaches for finding about this youngster, because he clearly wants to be in Lawrence, and when moms is on board, what's not to like? Add in the fact he's got that Chi-Town grit and grime about him, not to mention I've read he's a lockdown-type defender, so what's not to like? I'm pumped about this young man, provided he ends up in crimson and blue, which it sounds like he will, but you never know. This continues the re-education of Kansas recruiting under Bill Self. The Xavier Henry's and Josh Selby's of the world coming in and disrupting the flow are over. Self has gone back to getting kids who will buy in to what he's coaching, play great defense, yet sprinkle in a few four and five-star kids who feel slighted - sounds funny writing that - but are committed to winning. Props to Self for what he's done. Rock Chalk.

Also, quick football note, talked to a member of the OU coaching staff yesterday and asked his thoughts on Charlie Weis - "there's no doubt the football pedigree is there. But when you look at his track record, it makes you wonder. It'll be interesting." Indeed it will.


pill41 1 year, 11 months ago

We need one of Doyle and Adams but Harris is a key target. Look at the roster breakdown. Harris would be our starting center for 2 years, probably along side Perry Ellis if he doesn't leave early. My guess is if Damontre commits, it comes down to one or the other for the combo guards. We'll have Frankamp and Greene to add to the mix next year anyway.


hawksince51 1 year, 11 months ago

Accepting what the article says at face value, there is a lot to like about this kid. Self obviously agrees since he has offered a scholarship. Hard to say how much he could contribute next season but it would seem he would be around awhile. That certainly has more appeal than an OAD guard who never really contributes anything and is gone the next NBA draft. The recent pattern of losing the 5 star recruits to the likes of UK, NC and Duke, and even UCLA is sometimes disheartening but there is value to getting the players who you can count on for more than a year. As I have said before, I do not feel Self's system is consistent with OAD's particularly on the perimeter.
I really enjoy watching the NBA pay big bucks to get these guys to come out early and then see them end up in the D league. Maybe someday they will get a little more intelligent with their bucks and only go after players who have actually performed in college instead of paying for potential that so often never develops. But that may very well be a false hope. In the meantime, I have no issue with a recruiting class like we are having this year.


Jack Wilson 1 year, 11 months ago

Remember, if we need a scholarship, one will magically appear.

Milton Doyle is depth. Just take it for what it is. Self would not be pursuing this guy if Adams was coming and would be eligible. That would make no sense. It's Coach Self doing his job and making sure that we're covered in the event of an emergency.

And the reality is that Doyle may go the way of Merv Lindsay at the end of next season. Another "diamond in the rough" we brought at nearly the same point last year solely for depth (someone that had "to be a player, or why else would Self bring him in")

Or, if Doyle truly is an unranked, no one recruited (I don't count Green Bay or FIU as "someone"), everyone missed over many season of basketball, diamond in the rough .. he'll get to hang around another season. And that doesn't mean he's good enough to play. But don't bet on the him being here beyond 2012-13.

It is just how the game is played.


Brandon Pope 1 year, 11 months ago

I also think the recruiting has something to do Self's style and philosophy. I know I have said this on here before, but he is more of a system coach. He will gladly take a guy who has fewer "stars" on Rivals if it means gaining a player who fits what he wants to do with the program. And what he wants to do has worked out pretty well so far so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Sure you want to land the ** and * guys when you can and when they fit. Take Ellis. Perfect guy for Self's system plus a local guy, hard worker, probably set to be a great ambassador for the school, AND a * recruit. That is the perfect situation but they don't come around like that all the time.

Lesser coaches (I am thinking of the likes of Scott Drew), cant rely on being able to craft a winning system or to develop players to fit in and success so what do they have to do? Go out and get as many raw talent * guys as they can convince to come to Baylor.

Look at Calipari. Now, he is a far better coach than Drew, but he is certainly no Bill Self when it comes to strategy and formulating a system for success. What he is good at: getting a bunch of * talent to buy in for one season and take a shot at the title. If you throw that much talent at the tournament every year, you are bound to take one home eventually. It's just a totally different coaching philosophy.

I personally prefer the system Self sets up. Get guys that will stick around for 2-4 years, bring in under the radar guys and develop them to fit your style, have a small group of seniors that can lead the team every single year, and sprinkle in a few of the ultra-talented guys to push everything over the top.

Like I said, it has worked out so far.


nuleafjhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

I don't care if he's cross-eyed, drools and dribbles the ball with his nose - I just love the way his name rolls off of your tongue!

Milton Doyle - the dude is gonna be a star.

I think Coach Self probably didn't even need to see tape on this guy. He heard his name and said " Sign him. Now. With a name like that on our team, we could possibly win a conference championship! "


kujh1970 1 year, 11 months ago

So much for the talk. If he is that good, his playing should speak for itself.


phogphan2000 1 year, 11 months ago

Don't have enough for both Harris and Doyle, kind of guessing Harris wasn't sold on KU and the staff is concerned about Adams qualifying. Imagine KU will end up with Doyle on the team next year, sounds like he's got a lot of potential and who would want to play at FIU after that fiasco they've had down there. Would love to have Harris on the team, but it's also exciting to have another guy that is eligible to play next year. Sounds like Doyle can play and he and Adams could be a great tandem down the road. If you google him and watch his highlights you have to love the shot blocking instincts he has as a "point guard." He's definitely long, has a nice looking mid-range game and some court vision. Think I'd be happy with either Harris or Doyle, exciting thing about Doyle is the chance to contribute next year on a team that might need help at the point.


Bangkok_Jayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

To clarify my previous comment...

On the surface it seems as if our recruiting has taken a slight step back the past couple years. gave Jamari Traylor, Landon Lucas, Zack Peters, Merv Lindsay, and Braedon Anderson all a "3 Star" ranking the last 2 years. 5 players total. Compare that to 2004-2009 and only Reed, Morningstar, and Quintrell Thomas got the "3 Star" ranking. Fresh off a a national championship appearance, there shouldn't be too much to be worried about but curiosity might pop up eventually. I know that the star rankings don't mean everything, but they are not worthless either.

Self DEFINITELY deserves the benefit of the doubt after 8 consecutive Big 12 Titles, 2 Final Fours, and a National Championship. He is one heck of a coach. Just a tad curious about why recruiting has changed. Would love to see another monster class.


Bangkok_Jayhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

A little curious why Kansas is going after an "unknown" but the other reality is that Bill Self has made it to two more Final Fours than I have so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.


Jay Dogger 1 year, 11 months ago

We don't have enough scholarships for Adams, Harris and Doyle--only two out of the three (and, yes, that assumes Wesley goes back as a walk-on). Frankly, we don't need both Adams and Doyle, IMO.


lothario64118 1 year, 11 months ago

I believe schollies should be covered. I think the one for Anrio was accounted for already. If he doesn't make the grade then he can still come but will be sitting out this season like the other 2 players did this past season. I just got a funny feeling he won't be eligible.

I like that this kid is a slasher and and has a midrange shot. Creating his own shot and being a good passer is awesome.

Welcome to Lawrence Milton.


Jonathan Andrews 1 year, 11 months ago

If math were my strong suit, I'd say we have a schollie issue. Since it's not, WELCOME MILTON! Come to KU!


brooksmd 1 year, 11 months ago

I can't keep track. Do we have enough scholarships for Doyle and Harris?


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