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Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Reports: Big 12, ESPN near $1.3 billion TV deal

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The Big 12 and ESPN are close to a nine-year, $1.3 billion extension of the conference’s current television contract, according to reports by SportsBusiness Daily and CBSSports.com.

The extension, when combined with the Big 12’s existing Fox TV deal, would bring the conference’s total TV revenue to $2.5 billion through 2025. By SportsBusiness Daily’s calculations, each school in the 10-team league would make $5 million more per year under the new deal, with total TV revenue pushing close to $20 million a year.

“We have an existing agreement with the Big 12 that has four years remaining,” ESPN vice president of communications Mike Soltys told SBD. “We are in regular conversations with all our partners about future opportunities. There’s nothing beyond that.”

Comments

jaybate 2 years, 8 months ago

Don't take this deal!

Not unless there is a clause that allows renegotiation based on eastern time zone expansion of the Big 12 footprint.

Otherwise, this is just ESPN locking the B12 into second rate, one time zone revenue status with a little sweetener now, while the Big Ten and SEC expand to become the super conferences the B12 could have become.

This deal may sound good now, but it will amount to nothing, when ESPN then locks the expanding Big Ten and SEC three time zone super conferences into huge deals that will dwarf this Big 12 deal.

This deal will tie KU basketball to a Central Time Zone footprint and revenue structure that will make it compete at a a disadvantage it will increasingly be unable to overcome.

The Big 12 and KU basketball have to have Eastern time zone foot prints and revenue structures, or their days as majors are numbered.

That future revenue assymetry will then be used to tear down the B12 once and for all.

Don't let the media-gaming complex keep the Big 12 from becoming a super conference for a little sweetener now.

Don't do it, Chancellor Bernie.

NJHAWK 2 years, 8 months ago

For once, I completely agree with you Jb8.

HawksWin 2 years, 8 months ago

Nice analysis Jaybate - hit it on the nail! Hopefully Self too sees the new contract $ as peanuts. SEC and Big Ten will be laughing their way to the bank, along with Misery! Don't give away our backyard Chancellor Bernie. Hopefully the greedy Texans will kick and slap ESPN.

lv_jhwk 2 years, 8 months ago

According to the article linked below, "This new deal is based on a 10-team league and sources said it could be worth even more per school if the Big 12 expands to 11 or 12 teams."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/17774745/big-12-negotiating-media-rights-deal-worth-at-least-26-billion

jaybate 2 years, 8 months ago

A Big 12 Super Conference would be more like 16 teams, if two times zones, maybe 20 if three time zones, and maybe 28-32 if 4 time zones.

The reasons to go to a super conference format are:

a) to become a bargaining giant; and

b) to be able to leverage the value of teams in the midwest and mountain time zones by marketing them in the East and Pacific time zones where so many more eye balls are.

The trick is to give a team like KU a higher market profile in the East, say, so that every time KU appears on TV it gets higher ratings that it gets without frequent conference exposure in the east.

This adds value to all these relatively low value teams out in the heartland and mountain states, or would in concept.

Frankly, I like the sound of the Big 20 to start with--half in the eastern time zone and half in the midwestern time zone, but I reckon not much is going to happen on this until after the Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas energy-grain-infrastructure oligarchy knows who will be the next President.

Phoghorn 2 years, 8 months ago

I like the idea of expanding eastward as well. I would like to see Georgia Tech in consideration for Big 12 membership. Good FB, Good BB, and located in the middle of a major metropolitan area.

Not to sound like a troll, but I don't know what the "Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas energy-grain-infrastructure and the next president has to do with anything...

jaybird 2 years, 8 months ago

I totally agree with this statement. They can see realignment happening again and they want the profits on the 10 team not 12 or more.

Hank Cross 2 years, 8 months ago

Great points - except that the destruction of the B12 is what ESPN and UT had in mind all along. Read the blog "Billion Dollar Bevo" or this describing how the Longhorn Network was a bomb placed at the heart of college football. http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/8/15/2363934/texas-a-m-to-the-sec-big-12-conference-realignment

There's no way ESPN pays UT that type of money and all it wants are the Rice and KU FB games. My guess is that UT will strong arm this deal and wait until it gets exposed as being inadequate compared to other conferences. Then it will use the bad deal it forced to be an excuse to leave the conference or exact even more concessions from the likes of KU, KSU, ISU.

Say what you want about Meth U - they were smart to get while the getting is good.

jayhawker_97 2 years, 8 months ago

wow. at first that looked like a huge deal.

Krohnutz 2 years, 8 months ago

I actually agree with you, and you kept the post under fourteen pages.

Keep the terms short, so you always have the renogiation card coming. I don't understand why we would want to sign a deal that locks us up for over a decade.

Do not size up your own shackles for them.

Norm Jennings 2 years, 8 months ago

Agree with concern Jaybate...although not entire premise.

Why would ESPN want to limit options to air...ever...equals greater expense as the remaining top tier conference(s) can then claim even higher premium revenues??

What makes B1G and SEC (ACC for that matter) so competitive is indeed partially eastern time zone and media market accessibility, but I'm not at all sure that these are the fundamental elements used to keep down the Big12 (my words not yours). Enrollment, dollars, endowments, history, etc. among B1G and SEC conferences all play a role...oh and backwards, tentative, and individually self-serving attitudes within Big12 conference members and leadership.

Hopefully re-alignment has delivered a brutal lesson in the this area-- adapt or die! However, paranoia and assuming that entrenching against any future deal with the 800-lb gorilla (ESPN) is bad may produce the same outcome. Big12 should evaluate merits, push the envelope wherever possible, and yes maybe this deal should be rejected, or worked on to better it, or maybe even accepted depending upon realities that frankly aren't visible to most of us fans.

HawksWin 2 years, 8 months ago

Wasn't the Big 12 Tourney televised on local TV & ESPN3 (KU v Ta&m were on KMCI - are you kidding me?) whereas the ENTIRE Big East/Ten series were covered on ESPN/U/3?

LSHawk 2 years, 8 months ago

I hope we do not do this yet. We need to add several more teams before we do a TV deal. I am still hearing rumors about Flordia St. and Louisville wanting to join the Big 12. If so we need to add them first and then go after an even bigger deal.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

5 million extra a year over 9 years... Sounds like enough money to upgrade Memorial Stadium. LETS DO IT!

HawksWin 2 years, 8 months ago

You are willing to sell KU's next decade for mere $45M??? If KU football gets any attention in the next 2-3 years, $45M for 9 yrs is a pocket change. And Misery will laughing at us on their way to the bank. Don't sign it Chancellor. Don't be myopic. We didn't hire Charlie to get $5M more a year!

Bangkok_Jayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

Completely agree... My comment "lets do it" was intended to just be referring to a stadium upgrade thought I don't think it reads that way easily..

wrwlumpy 2 years, 8 months ago

I don't understand Jaybate, you're saying that if we can't play WVU at 6pm, then we shouldn't take the money. I always thought that our time slot on big mondays and other big 12 starting times gave us the whole country with viewers from both coast. I really think the PAC 12 is dying because no one east of the Rockies stays up to see a game, ergo why would a recruit go to a place where 3/4 ths of the country doesn't watch tem play.

I'm misunderstanding why we should turn this down? It is sad that a sports network decides conference alignments/

NJHAWK 2 years, 8 months ago

If I remember it correctly, our timeslot on Monday was originally given to Big 10. After couple years of playing on Monday, Bobby Knight and other Big 10 coaches complained about the time and it was given to Big 12.

jaybate 2 years, 8 months ago

I understand your puzzlement and will try to clarify.

But remember this is only a hypothesis to explain a realignment phenomenon that so far eludes most explanations I have heard so far.

Its my hypothesis that ESPN, perhaps as an entity acting consistent with the agenda of a broader media-gaming complex, doesn't want a third 2-3 time zone foot print super conference under university/state regimes under the actual, or potential, influence of the Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas energy/grain/infrastructure oligarchy that is frankly, bigger and more powerful than the media-gaming complex itself. I hypothesize they don't want to let any super conference form that could get out of their control.

Your point about the problem faced by the Pac 12 is worth exploring.

First, remember that we are not just talking about TV eyeballs be attracted, but betters bets. In fact, the betting is a vastly bigger business than the the TV revenues. Think of ESPN/CBS simply as public relations firms in the business of stimulating betting for the gaming industry, because that is really what is happening. ESPN/CBS are in the business of using basketball content to stimulate, not only advertising, but betting. Don't ask me why they do this, or how they profit from it, because I have never examined the connections between the industries. I can only say that whenever ESPN/CBS pump up interest in a basketball game betting on that game probably increases and the amount of the increase generates a lot more gaming revenue than TV revenue, and a whole lot of TV revenue is generated.

jaybate 2 years, 8 months ago

Next, the time zone differences cause a problem, because people going to sleep in a later time zone don't watch games, commercials, or are they stimulated to place bets on games in earlier time zones, or there is a dramatic fall of in all of the above the more time zone changes occur.

Time zone changes causes a similar problem for teams in the Midwest time zone. But what the media-gaming complex has understand is that there is a way to keep people up later. Put teams from different time zones in the same conference and a territoriality effect is triggered.

A lot more persons in Camden New Jersey, will stay up and watch KU, if KU is part of the Big East conference and playing Rutgers, than if KU is playing Iowa State and neither are part of the Big East. And a lot more persons will bet on KU vs. Rutgers if KU is in the Big East conference than if KU is not. Why? Because there are a lot more people on the eastern seaboard with an interest in the Big East conference than there are in the midwest.

We would find the same effect between KU and BYU. If BYU is in the Mountain West, or Pac 12, and playing Wyoming, no one in Kansas stays up for the game. But if BYU is in the Big 12, then people in Kansas stay up for the BYU vs. Kansas game.

This is the gist of why super conferences are an inevitability. They will create value that does not exist when teams are in separate conferences that don't span the time lines.

Robert Brown 2 years, 8 months ago

How does this compare to the deal signed by the Pac12 last year? I will have to look it up. It would seem that if the Big 12 has 3-4 tears left on its current deal, there is no hurry to sgn a extension.

The conference has been its own worst enemy when it comes to money matters. They let A&M and MU leave with low exit fees and used a portion of that money to pay off the Big East to bring n WV. We need to bring in the guy who negotiated the Longhorn Network for UT. UT gets $15m per year and no one can watch the network. In this deal each school gets about $20m for first tier rights.

The conference needs visionary leadership.

Robert Brown 2 years, 8 months ago

How does this compare to the deal signed by the Pac12 last year? I will have to look it up. It would seem that if the Big 12 has 3-4 tears left on its current deal, there is no hurry to sgn a extension.

The conference has been its own worst enemy when it comes to money matters. They let A&M and MU leave with low exit fees and used a portion of that money to pay off the Big East to bring n WV. We need to bring in the guy who negotiated the Longhorn Network for UT. UT gets $15m per year and no one can watch the network. In this deal each school gets about $20m for first tier rights.

The conference needs visionary leadership.

baldwinjhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

I like that... 3-4 TEARS.. I know it was a typo, but a little freudian..lol

STL_Jayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

Is this the same ESPN that listed the KU-Baylor game on my U-verse guide in St. Louis last weekend and aired the Ole Miss-Tennessee game instead?

Our conference leaders are a joke. I could actually watch the Big 12 womens games on Friday night but could not watch the mens games.

HawksWin 2 years, 8 months ago

I hear you St Louie! I was flabbergasted to find KU on local station! This is why Chancellor should not sign and hand over our backyard to ESPN for $5M more a year.

jgkojak 2 years, 8 months ago

THANK YOU - that happened to me too- I had a mtng and DVRd the game, and taped the wrong game (despite the listing) and ended up only catching (not that it matters) the 2nd half of the Baylor game. Arghhhhh! I was pissed.

eastcoasthawk 2 years, 8 months ago

Agree with JayB8 plus who knows what they will be offering in another 4 years? Look at how these payouts have ballooned over the last 2-3 years and do the math. Smart move to make the offer now by ESPN. Bad move to accept it now by the conference.

Tony Bandle 2 years, 8 months ago

Just say no!!!!! Never, never, never, never take the first offer when you have the product of interest.

Be patient, be casual, give the impression that it's "a beginning negotiation price", a basis for discussion, if you will.

I wonder if our league leaders have ever had to sell a car, a home or even traded baseball cards.

Michael Maris 2 years, 8 months ago

I'm all for expansion (back to 12 teams), but the Big XII Conference needs to work a TV deal that will allow the conference to expand back to 12 teams (if not more) and allow re-negotiations for an expanding conference. If the TV Networks are allowed to negate TV contracts when the conference looses members. Then, the conference needs to be allowed to renegotiate if and when expansion takes place.

I would love to see the Big XII gain Florida State and other disgruntled ACC football schools. This move would truly expand the conference footprint. But, if those schools are unhappy with UNC, Duke, etc..... due to basketball powerschools ruling the roost. What makes them think that they will be happy with Texas and OU, etc.........?

Perhaps, Florida State will be able to bring equal power to the table against Texas and Oklahoma. But, I'm skeptical this kind of conference addition will ever happen.

Adding Louisville and Cincinnati will help WVU (in giving them conference opponents to have as rivals). It will place 2 more schools in the eastern time zone. But, what actual TV revenue do Cincy & Louisville bring to the conference table? Cincy is in Ohio, where Ohio State rules the roost. Louisville in the state of Kentucky, where U of Kentucky rules the roost. Perhaps, Louisville can gain more fans by being in the Big XII conference. But, Kentucky is in the powerful SEC.

I wish I could find the realignment chart that I seen a few years ago, where the conferences were regionally aligned. The power conferences were aligned in a regional manner that made a hell of alot more sense than what is currently going on these past few years.

ejlumus 2 years, 8 months ago

Neinas probably was a key negotiator of contract. Don't fret there are probably agreements for renegotiation if B12 has expansion.

B12 needs to add two teams ND & BYU, B12 will then be covered coast to coast. Key ... ...No ripple effect with other conferences.

Robert Brown 2 years, 8 months ago

The Pac-12 deal was worth $2.7B over 12 years which is $225M/yr or $18.75M per team per year. The numbers quoted in this article are over approximately the same timeframe, provides $2.5B for 12 or 13 years and would pay about $20M per team per year. On paper, these would be comparable deals.

I do not trust the leadership in the Big 12 to make good decisions. I think they need to get back to 12 or more teams, but they need to make a dramatic move. I think they made a bif mistake adding TCU. It was a deperate move. If WV provides a foothold on the east coast that could bring in some of the football powers of the SEC, that would have been a good move.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6471380

Robert Brown 2 years, 8 months ago

Beware of internet rumors and comments. HOWEVER, I found this posted on a Florida State message board after a blog post about the extended Big 12 TV contract. If true, maybe this isn't so bad. By the way, there is alot of discussion about some of the ACC schools moving to the Big 12.

This was posted by a self proclaimed insider on a UCONN board (so he’s got no clear pro-Big 12 interest). It’s only for the purpose of throwing some information out there when there is precious little.

The guy claims to work in the media, specifically in valuation of teams/conferences. Take it for what it’s worth. They guy comes off as credible, but who knows?

"Everyone likes the 10-team format they have now. However, as I stated in the ACC thread, they will expand if the right teams are receptive to their inquiries. There is no doubt they will reach out to Florida State, Miami, GA Tech, Clemson, NC State, VA Tech, and Arkansas, and possibly Pitt & Maryland (along w/ Louisville, whom they’ve already had discussions with). If the right combination of teams are interested, they’ll make a move. If not, they’ll stand pat with 10.

The Big XII made a number of strategically brilliant moves w/ this latest contract. If they sign at least 2 additional teams (there are restrictions on whom), there is an automatic escalator in the contract that will raise the total payout by $2.05M per team (this based on the added conference championship game). And, they negotiated an opt out clause that will allow them out of the deal to take it to market if they expand to 12 or further, with ESPN/ABC having the right of first refusal on the contract. Once the language of the contract makes its way back to the ACC, I think there will be some nervous presidents & a nervous commissioner, b/c the Big XII essentially just got a license to hunt, with guaranteed ammo.

And, what’s better, the ABC/ESPN/Fox contracts the Big XII has are only for Tier 1 & Tier 2 broadcasts. So, teams are free to shop their Tier 3 rights. So, just like Texas is netting $10M/season, and KU is netting $8M/season from Tier 3, Florida State, Clemson, etc will have the ability to make $20M + millions more on Tier 3, which would put them above the highest paid SEC teams. "

Craig Lang 2 years, 8 months ago

From a football standpoint, it would make sense that the Big 12 would reach out to Florida State or Miami. Florida traditionally has the best HS football prospects outside of Texas. This would give us a foothold in both states (which is what the SEC has now that it has added Texas A&M).

Chris1955 2 years, 8 months ago

I still have the sense that KU is trying to straddle the fence between staying in the Big 12 and moving to the B1G TEN. I think that KU checked in with the B1G TEN and found a generally receptive response that was based on certain conditions for an invitation form the B1G TEN being met over a fixed time element, say 5-6 years. Here's why I think so.

Since surviving the last round of conference realignment, we fired Turner Gill exceptionally early into a 5 year coaching contract (yes, it was warranted), and brought in Charlie Weis. Many KU fans were surprised by the outside the box aggressive nature of the hire, along with the quality resumes of the assistance coaching personnel. I think many would agree that this move was predicated on a very fast turnaround.

Look at the non-conference BB game scheduling discussions with Nebraska. On the surface, does this look like anything that would really financially benefit KU? Is it possible that this is being done with the intent of finding a supportive member who would be inclined to vote in favor of accepting a KU membership into the B1G TEN?

If we are in the process of tightening student admittance criteria at KU, and I don't know if this is occurring, this might also be a sign of things to come.

It's always nice to have options!

jgkojak 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes, I think we end up with a Big 10 offer and would be stupid not to take it - hoping Brownback/the legislature would not block it somehow.

Here is the scenerio:

When the B10 renegotiates they will be pressured/tempted to expand - namely into the NYC market by grabbing Rutgers. When they do that, they will need a 14th school, and if they stick to their guns about AAU (and why wouldn't they) - here are the candidates- Notre Dame (they won't go until they're forced) Pitt (doubtful they'd move again after agreeing to be in the ACC) Iowa State (no way Iowa allows them in, due to recruiting) Kansas - which brings the Kansas City market (the B10 HATES sharing anything w/the SEC and sees this as a way to gain dominance over them in one area) and an existing history with Nebraska.

STLJHawk86 2 years, 8 months ago

I agree. I posted below before I saw this response to Chris1955

Robert Brown 2 years, 8 months ago

It is in KU's best interest to make the Big 12 as strong as possible. The Big 10 does not need KU. If for whatever reason, they expand, they will probably expand east to pick up Rutgers and maybe a Maryland who an AAU school tied to a market larger than KC.

I have heard the following bizarre scenario. Notre Dame and UT make a pitch to join the Big 10 and KU tags along with another school in the east to get to 16.

Tony Bandle 2 years, 8 months ago

If the Big Ten knocks on our door, not only should we open it as fast as possible but we shouid carry them over the threshold and marry them on the spot!!!!

STLJHawk86 2 years, 8 months ago

Oakville, so this would be an exception to your rule "never take the first offer when you have the product of interest"? Just kidding - I agree with you.

And I also agree with Chris1995 about a KU move to B1G but for other reasons. My reasoning is that when the complete Super Conferences realignment become ineventual then the B1G will have to go to 16 teams to keep pace. And when that happens I find it hard to believe that when all things are considered (geography, academics and sports programs) there are 4 schools that would be more attractive to the B1G than KU (assuming members of the SEC, ACC and PAC are not in play).

I think that Missouri could have utlitmately been invited to the B1G if they had been more patient and willing to proceed on the B1G timetable and not their own. I think KU is willing to be patient and will ultimately be rewarded for that patience. And in the meantime KU will rebuild its football program making itself even more attractive to the B1G.

STLJHawk86 2 years, 8 months ago

Over the long term and assuming the rise of Super Conferences, how so?

TulsaJayhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

ESPN is part of ABC who is owned by Disney.

Current ESPN executives: John Skipper: President, ESPN, Inc.attended UNC, and Norby Williamson: Executive Vice President, Programming attended Southern Connecticut State University.

Current Disney executives: Robert Iger – President and CEO, Jay Rasulo – Senior Executive Vice President and CFO, Alan N. Braverman – Senior Executive Vice President, General counsel, all attended east coast universities.

East Coast Bias!

Ryan Mullen 2 years, 8 months ago

From what my sources are telling me ESPN will not be around in 5 years. And I do have good sources. (Andy Katz)

Jonathan Allison 2 years, 8 months ago

"From what my sources are telling me ESPN will not be around in 5 years. And I do have good sources. (Andy Katz)" - Pat Forde

Phoghorn 2 years, 8 months ago

There are a lot of good quotes on the internet, but I am not sure how many of them are accurately attributed to their source.

Abraham Lincoln.

STLJHawk86 2 years, 8 months ago

Hey Obama, thanks for lifting your curse and NOT picking KU in this year's Tournament.

Travis Clementsmith 2 years, 8 months ago

I would be leary of holding out for a B!G offer. If one pays attention to what the conferences and schools actually say, the B!G said if it does expand it has to look towards where the population is moving, the South and the West. The B!g makes their money on expanded TV networks, a model the SEC wants to copy, which is the main reason Missouri got an invite.

The best case scenario for KU, as mentioned earlier, is expansion east, and largely in SEC territory. Florida State, Clemson, Georiga Tech and Louisville should get highest priority. After that, hold out for Notre Dame to see if they want to join the party and then add a regional school for travel considerations. Pitt, then Cincy. If Notre Dame is still stubborn, then one might take a chance on Miami, but they have had so many troubles lately, I don't know if they are worth it. One could consider a school for academics and TV market like Tulane, but that shouldn't be a first option.

Arkansas is not coming, so everyone should just forget about poaching teams from other dominate conferences other than the ACC and Big East. The revenue streams are locked in there and only getting bigger.

Robert Brown 2 years, 8 months ago

CalHawk- With the exception of the Tulane comment, I agree with your assessment.

Travis Clementsmith 2 years, 8 months ago

I only include Tulane because they are the hometown New Orleans team. The SEC is always going to remain dominant in that region state wide. That's why the Big XII, if they expand in that area, should be targeting teams in metro areas, it gives you your best chance to steal a good market share. Could Tulane build something with 20 million a year? Maybe not a perineal power, but something more than they are now.

Alohahawk 2 years, 8 months ago

The headline is misleading, because it leads one to believe that it's a ton of money. However, when you break it down into segments the truth comes out.

Divide $1.3 billion over the nine year contract. Then, break it down further by dividing the pie between 10 schools. And if you really wanted to get technical, divide those amounts by the number of games that are broadcast. Now how much is "each" school being paid by ESPN so it can broadcast "each" of those games?

It's sort of like receiving a keg of beer for a party. It sounds like a lot. But then you find out the whole neighborhood has been invited. And suddenly, you're happy if there's a second cup left for the second go round.

Alohahawk 2 years, 8 months ago

LOL! Eh, Huh.

Never allow the salesman to "sell" you a car. Decide before hand what features you want and need. Do your homework, pre-shopping before you hit the lots. Then, up front, ask the dealership for their best price. If they aren't willing to negotiate, head to their competitor.

And if they won't throw in a keg of beer, ask for twice the $ for your trade-in. After all, if your old buggy is worth more than a keg, you wouldn't be trading in, would you? :>)

Sparko 2 years, 8 months ago

Here is a case where Jaybate is basing his arguments on incomplete data and getting everyone worked up. This deal may be the best one available for the time being, allows for expansion, allows for renegotiation, and is comparable with other power conferences school for school pay-out wise. The Big XII can marginalize the SEC by beating them on the field. We need to ensure an intra-conference "National" championship never happens again.

Brian Skelly 2 years, 8 months ago

The reality is this TV is more or less a "holding serve" deal. Not bad, not great.

A friend of mine in the TV industry has stated to me many times that the further West you go, the less TV people watch. For paid TV (cable/sat) channels (ESPN to name the biggest one here) the actual numbers who "watch" isnt nearly as big of deal as how many "subscribers" they have. Thats where ESPN really rakes in the cash.

The over the air does rely on big time ad revenue, obviously. So eastern time zone teams likely have more room for error. Not any old eastern time zone team would do though, obviously. Having a big following would help.

Which is also why I dont see any expansion at all anytime soon. Why? Any expansion that DOES happen is going to have to move the needle enough so that all the existing 10 teams cut of the pie either grows or most certainly doesnt shrink. There are teams out there that fits the bill. But im not sure about a whole lot of them. Question is it viable that any of them would move to the Big 12 for "big bucks".

The talk of 'disgruntled' ACC football schools sick of the "Tobacco Road" schools dictating things doesnt seem to have a whole lot of merit. While there is some disconnect between UNC/Duke/Wake/NCSt. and the rest of them, it doesnt sound like any of it is like the BS we've faced with Texas. Could some of these teams jump ship? Maybe, but I dont see it. FSU, Clemson, Miami, Ga Tech as an "Big 16 South" has a nice ring to it though. But im not holding my breath.

I do think if Jack Swarbick becomes Big 12 commish they'll be a lot of play / run / chat / bs about Notre Dame's possible inclusion. This sounds like pie in the sky now, and I dont see that changing. People think UT doesnt like to be told what to do, Notre Dame has never been told what to do. They may not dictate college football like it once did, but I think unless the BCS stuff forces their hand -- and it may -- I cant envision them joining anyone, much less us. Why do you think they want the BIG EAST? Over the air TV on NBC? Yup. Losing eastern viewer isnt something they'll wanna do.

I still think Louisville is the most viable addition. Question is, where is there a "match" to make it work? I dont view Cincinnati that way, nor do others. And most importantly, the TV folks dont at all. I will tell you that Louisville has a cult like following for hoops that rivals ours though. And having that in the conference would only enhance things. But I dont know what it does for football. Probably not much.

Time will tell. But wouldnt be suprised if we're still at 10 in 3-4 years. ' Or... Big 16 "North" - Notre Dame, West Virgina, Louisville, Iowa State. Big 16 "South" - Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Ga. Tech Big 16 "Midwest" - Kansas, Kansas St., Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. Big 16 "Southwest" - Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU

Hey, I can dream, cant I ?

Jayhawk3 2 years, 8 months ago

I don't like the idea of Super conferences, but it looks like they are going to happen. If there is any good that would come from them, it's that Super conferences would likely mean the end of the BCS system. Either that or they would edit the only 2 teams per conference to 3 or more. I can't see 3 or more leagues with 16+ teams and still having the only 2 BCS teams per conference rule. That would mean more mid major teams would get invites, so maybe we could see a playoff system if these Super conferences do happen.

Randy Bombardier 2 years, 8 months ago

With all the expansion stuff and shaky conference I have concluded that we need to align ourselves with the state of Texas and its legislature. If SMU and perhaps Rice and Houston are allowed to join into the Big12, then Billion Dollar Bevo or not the idea of UT sitting at the top begins to crumble. Once the power base of UT starts eroding and it is seen less and less as the big dog of the State of Texas, the power will be diffused throughout the conference.

The Legislature of the state of Texas will get behind getting as many of their universities as possible into the conference for what it will do financially for those schools. Eventually, the facilities of the schools will catch up with the rest of the conference and Texas will have to start sharing a whole lot more with its fellow Texas schools. Their stature and power will be moderated while the status and power of the fellow Texas schools increase.

Meanwhile, we stay regional although it blows my mind that Houston is about as far as Morgantown. Add Colorado State, Air Force, and BYU to get us to 16.

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