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Baylor defeats Kansas, 81-72

  • 6:30 p.m., March 9, 2012
  • Sprint Center, Kansas City, MO

Saturday, March 10, 2012

Wait and see: KU must sweat out NCAA seed

Kansas center Jeff Withey looks to the bench as Baylor guard Brady Heslip celebrates a big three-pointer to widen the Bears' lead during the second half on Friday, March 9, 2012.

Kansas center Jeff Withey looks to the bench as Baylor guard Brady Heslip celebrates a big three-pointer to widen the Bears' lead during the second half on Friday, March 9, 2012.

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Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 81-72 loss to Baylor on March 9, 2012.

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KU players Tyshawn Taylor and Jeff Withey talk to reporters following the Jayhawks' 81-72 loss to Baylor on March 9, 2012.

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— Senior point guard Tyshawn Taylor spoke up, breaking the silence in a somber Kansas University basketball locker room Friday night in Sprint Center.

“I just told my team once coach walked out that everybody should be disappointed because we shouldn’t have lost,” Taylor said after the Jayhawks’ 81-72 Big 12 tournament semifinal setback to Baylor.

“But our goal is not to win the Big 12 tournament championship. Our goal is to win the Big 12 (regular-season) championship, which we have, and the national championship, which we still can.

“It sucks to lose any game,” Taylor added of his message to his teammates after the Jayhawks’ sixth loss against 27 victories, “but it’s not the end of the season. It’s not. A lot of teams lose their conference tournaments and go home and still have something to play for. We’ve got to get back in the lab and need to be getting better, not dropping. We’re going to be all right.”

The Jayhawks, who will anxiously be awaiting their NCAA Tournament fate on Selection Sunday, believe they know why they are not playing in the Big 12 tourney finals today.

As simplistic as it sounds, the Jayhawks believe Baylor (27-6) merely wanted it more. KU blistered the Bears, 92-74 in Lawrence, and 68-54 in Waco, this season.

“It’s human nature. How would you feel if somebody beat up on you twice?” KU junior guard Elijah Johnson said after scoring 15 points off 6-of-16 shooting (one of six from three).”

After all, it’s not as if the Bears have a bad team. BU is ranked 12th in the country, KU third. And yet the Jayhawks easily handled Scott Drew’s crew twice.

“They were a little more aggressive. You could tell they wanted this bad. They came out like we would if we lost two games,” noted Taylor, who scored 20 points off 8-of-15 shooting. He hit one of four threes on a night KU made just two of 13 to Baylor’s nine of 19.

“I hate that that’s always our excuse, that we came out flat,” Taylor added. “When it’s game time and the ball goes up, you’ve got to be ready. We have to understand that.”

Whatever the reason, KU, which rallied from a 14-point deficit (49-35 with 18:39 to play) to grab a two-point lead (58-56 with 10:21 left), faded down the stretch and will be sitting home today while BU plays Missouri in the 5 p.m. final.

“I don’t know if overconfidence is the right word. I guess it could be,” said KU coach Bill Self, whose Jayhawks won five of the past six Big 12 tourney titles. “We beat them twice. We had Baylor down over 20 both games we won.

“If that is the case, then how immature is that? That’s the thing that bothers me. I’m not buying in to that at all. When you are playing for a championship of any kind, how in the world could that ever be the mind-set? Going into the NCAA Tournament, that can’t be the mind-set. Maybe it’s a good lesson for us.”

Taylor scored seven points and Thomas Robinson (15 points) six in an 18-3 run that turned a 53-40 deficit into a 58-56 lead at 10:21.

BU woke up at that point, embarking on a 19-8 run to build a 75-66 lead at 1:07. Brady Heslip iced three three-pointers (including one that gave the Bears a 59-58 lead) in that stretch. Also, Perry Jones (18 points) contributed eight in that surge.

“I think it was a lot more than that,” Taylor said, asked if Heslip’s bombs beat the Jayhawks, “but it came down to him hitting those threes. He’s a great shooter. The first one, Travis (Releford) had his hand up. We know better than to let him shoot open shots like that.”

Noted Self: “The whole deal on Heslip is, the most we’re ever going to leave him is to bluff at the ball and get back to him. We made two critical mistakes, critical. You can’t just put it on Travis because if we got through the back screen quicker maybe we could have released and got to the shooter quicker. That definitely went against scouting report.”

The Bears, who wore their new, camouflage uniforms for the first time against KU, added another new wrinkle in the third meeting this year: man-to-man defense.

“I would rather them play man, honestly,” Taylor said. “I don’t think that was it (reason for defeat) at all. I think defensively we didn’t play our best. They rebounded the ball well (the teams tied 37-37 on the boards) and made big shots when they needed to.”

KU All-America candidate Robinson sat out the last five minutes of the first half after picking up his second foul. KU trailed, 43-35, at the break, the lead growing from four to eight with Robinson out.

“The reason Thomas came out was because of two fouls,” Self said. “But let’s call it like it is. Withey (Jeff, 11 points, seven boards) and Young (Kevin, five points, five boards) were our best guys the first half. We had so many bad possessions (at the end of the first half). The foul situation was the biggest reason he came out.”

KU is expected to be a No. 1 or No. 2 seed and play first-round games in Omaha, Neb., starting Friday.

“Our season is not over,” Taylor said. “The exciting thing is it’s just getting started for us. We can learn from this and do some great things.”

Comments

jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

"Notes About Fizzou Wasting a Peak Effort and a Rest Day Beating Failor in Order to Get the Same Seed KU Already Has Locked Up"

~Failor shot 26% from trey vs. Fizzou (after shooting 40%+ vs. KU) and got beat by 15. Compare this with KU shooting 15% vs. Failor and only losing to Failor by 8 or 9.

~Failor got out-stripped badly by Fizzou

~Failor barely shot 40% FG.

~Failor failed.

~Fizzou beating Failure means zip.

~Fizzou, regardless of its seed in the Madness has zero chance to win the tournament and here is why: Fizzou depends on being awarded about 30 FTAs per game in order to beat an opponent. Fouls are not called in the tournament, therefore, Fizzou's greatest offensive advantage will nullified by the refs. Therefore Fizzou will exit early.

~Fizzou will go to the SEC and get stuck having to win conference tournaments to try to get into the Madness, just as has always been the case in the Big 12.

~Fizzou will be a .500 team next year and its coach, reputedly involved with recruiting improprieties and his prior school, may be under sanctions his first season in the SEC.

~Failor will fall off sharply also.

~KU will will win the national titled this season, then get better next year..win the conference title, of course and perhaps a second national title in a row.

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Hammertoe 2 years, 1 month ago

Jealousy is terrible envy. Don't hate Mizzou as we move on to a bigger and better conference. Football is King. Basketball is the warm up band for Football. The next TV contract for Football will be huge for Mizzou and the SEC while KU will be sucking up to Texas for many years. Without Texas, Ku is in the Mountain West with K-State. Wake up. Accept reality.... Haith is fine. He will make more money in the next year than the average Ku grad in a lifetime... probably get a new contract after this year. A win and a trophy is the perfect ending for Mizzou in the second tier Big 12 conference. SEC is where the money is at.... Let the Party begin! SEC! SEC! SEC! If Ku had an invitation to join the SEC, they would have taken it in a second!

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Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 1 month ago

Honestly, I'm fine with how things worked out. KU has a ring that says Big XII champions, and Baylor and Mizzou were there tonight fighting over our scraps.

MU has won the tourney before (With a worse team than this year) so this isn't unprecedented.

Live it up Tigers, this is the closest you ever got to winning the conference. Just don't forget to kiss our ring on the way out.

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JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

Sorry to read about Frank Haith in the Miami Herald today. More trouble. Bad timing for the Big 12 conference. Makes the whole Big 12 look bad. Between Pinkel, Haith and Alden going off about his love of the Big 10, the SEC must have a few mixed feelings also.

Didn't the guy in jail admit that Haith knew about payments to star players?

I'm still curious how in the world Mizzou let this hiring go through, especially considering the MU fan reaction when Haith showed up on campus. Protests, online petitions.

Now today the Miami Herald won't even let Haith or the MU fans enjoy a moment of success.

Tough day to be a Tiger---will Haith be fired after the NCAA investigation. That could be the most interesting sports storyline of summer considering Haith will lose all of Mike Anderson's all stars.

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Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

Must suck to be a troll! I'm proud to say I've never once trolled another team's message boards. Why would I? Congrats on the tournament championship that nobody cares about. Finally! We are rid of them! No more Mizery in the Big XII. As much as I would have liked for us to have been in the finals to beat them, this is still a day of celebration! The Big XII just got 100% more classy with their departure.

To get the discussion a little more back on track after the string of troll posts, here's a few other items of note from Saturday:

  • Congrats to Captain Tad on a remarkable job with the Buffs. Loved seeing him kick Sean Miller's teeth in. Good win for the Jayhawk family. (Maybe Boyle is moving his way up the list in the hypothetical debate of "who would you want to replace Self if he retired tomorrow?").

  • Dook lost. Always a good thing.

  • I kind of liked seeing Pat Knight get Lamar into the tournament. He endeared himself to me with his press conference where he called out his seniors, in true Knight-family fashion!

  • Joe Lunardi still has us as a #1 seed, just moved us out West. That actually doesn't bother me too much. Still should get the first two rounds played in Omaha. And playing out west is only a problem when you're the higher seed but the committee has basically arranged it as a home game for west coast teams (i.e. 2007 against #2 seed UCLA). As there are no really great teams to fear out west (although SDSU and New Mexico are potentially dangerous), it's not a big deal. Not sure what else could really change the seedings at this point. MSU & Ohio St. playing in the Big Ten finals tomorrow, but I still think they're both #2 seeds. If we are a #2 seed, that doesn't bother me either.

Anyway, like I said earlier I hope the guys are taking full advantage of an extra day's worth of rest. Rock Chalk!

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Bill Shaw 2 years, 1 month ago

Can we make sure that the Big 12 Championship is never held in Missouri again?

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cajayfan 2 years, 1 month ago

Good luck trolls, no plans tonight losers?! Read the Miami Herald article about your coach and his three players that have been suspended for illegal benefits. The comments called your coach an oily car salesman who skipped town before the "stuff" hit the fan. Total class. Speaking of class, do you think Syracuse will be chanting ACC? MU needs to get a life and leave with their mouth shut. Usually the biggest mouths denotes insecurity about the decision.

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Vic Janeway 2 years, 1 month ago

Withey did not shine, you could tell he is no match for anybody with talent. He is too clumsy and takes too much time on his shots. Achilles heel for tourney....dang.

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losthawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Hey Bill, explain your plan for recruiting next year if you have one. Doc Sadler from Nebraska has a plan, maybe a change might be in order.

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missouricat 2 years, 1 month ago

Missouri, big 12 tournment championship as we leave for the SEC which puts us in the top of the SEC. As the experts said earlier that Missouri is the best team in the big 12 with Baylor second. Looks like the KU fans can't leave it alone as a few wanted to beat on this game and like always I had to take their money, $ 700.00 they just like to give it up. HAHA. Davis and Phelps just said that that Missour should be #1 seed and KU #2 or #3. Looks like this is going to stick in the KU fans craw for a long time and it is hard to deal with. Football and basketball, looks like we put it to the Jayhawks. Too bad that the wrong coach got big 12 coach of the year award is what Bob Knight just said.

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BillSelf4Prez 2 years, 1 month ago

Hahahahaha what a bunch of losers chanting SEC at the Big 12 championship game! LOL the big 12 shouldn't give them the trophey.

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Orangedog87 2 years, 1 month ago

Rooten Hawken KU .....enjoy your individual awards and do no more....

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Orangedog87 2 years, 1 month ago

Way to go Baylor and Kansas ...you let Missouri walk away with Big12 tourney hardware and possibly a # 1 seed...sad sacks

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wildjayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

We can't be surprised at the final out come of this team as the experts said before the season started that KU has not be recruiting good players and that KU is completely out of the ball park when recruiting. They said that KU wasn't even in the top percentage of the teams and it showed as we have seen. It looks like it isn't going to get any better in the coming years which we have seen by Tharpe as a point guard. Many people have said that what is Self doing? Dick Vitale said it best when he said, this is the worst Ku team I have ever seen, at the start of the year. Tharpe looks l ike to be another Morningstar, total flop. Ku better hope for a 2 seed, as they will not win in the first round if they are a #1. It has been said that if KU gets a #1 seed that Bucknell, Bradley and Northern Iowa wants to be in the same bracket at a #16 against KU. The selection committee will study their request. This is on Self's head, poor recruiting. Poor coaching for a big 12 coach of the year.

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longtimehawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Ku sucks it a sad thing to say but its true.

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Orangedog87 2 years, 1 month ago

Baylor letting Missouri walk free with Big12 tourney hardware...but then so did KU

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texashawk10 2 years, 1 month ago

I posted my thoughts about this team on another article, but I'll post here too.

This is a team with major flaws with the most notable being the lack of a consistent 3rd scorer and will only go as far as EJ and Withey take them. Releford has been non existent on offense for the last month and I'm pretty sure his legs are bothering him more than he or Self are letting on. We know Taylor and Robinson are going to get theirs just about every night and that'll be enough to beat a 15 or 16 seed, but not necessarily after that.

I feel pretty sure KU is going to be out west in Phoenix with Michigan St. as the 1 and 2 seeds. I believe KU is tentatively sitting on the 1 line out there for now, but I believe if Michigan St. beats Ohio St. tomorrow that they will get the 1 seed and KU will be the 2 seed out west. Normally I prefer being the 2 seed out west because of the weakness of the teams out west, but there is one team that should be out west that I think is more than capable of knocking KU out early and that is St. Mary's. Dellevadova is a great PG and St. Mary's is playing great basketball right now. I hope St. Mary's somehow gets shipped out of the west, but I honestly think they are the best team west of the Rockies this year and will be kept out west and if they get a 7 seed, KU is going to have a very difficult time getting past the weekend. I hope they get a 6 seed so that KU can at least make the Sweet 16. I'll be fine with wherever KU is seeded as long as St. Mary's is in the other half of the region because I think they are more than capable of beating KU on a neutral court.

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Jason Keller 2 years, 1 month ago

Missouri is going to destroy Baylor, there's no doubt about that.

Let's look at KU's number 1 seed resume anyway:

Fact #1 - KU won one of the toughest conferences in the nation by 2 games. Fact #2 - KU lost in the semi-finals to a #11 ranked Baylor who they have beaten twice. Fact #3 - KU won 4 of 7 matchups against top 10 opponents.

Go find 4 teams who can say that.

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Jayhawklegacy 2 years, 1 month ago

Duke is on the verge of a semifinal exit! They had 14 turnovers in the first half it will be a shame if FSU lets this one slip

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cajayfan 2 years, 1 month ago

Miami Herald reporting yet another Frank Haith recruit suspended. The comments are priceless about Haith.

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Jayhawklegacy 2 years, 1 month ago

A number 1 or 2 seed really makes no difference. It depends on how tough our bracket is. I'm excited to see who will be in our bracket I think this year the B12 is very well represented! Anyone else not wanting to see Wichita State in our bracket?

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monkeehawkSL8 2 years, 1 month ago

WELL THIS IS A TOUGH CROWD. 1) I WAS BORN IN LAWRENCE, I HAVE FAMILY BURIED IN LAWRENCE. I HAVE LIVED ALL OVER THE U.S., YES INCLUDING MO., I RECENTLY STARTED PARTICIPATING IN THIS COMMENT PAGE BECAUSE I'M ATTEMPTING TO LEARN HOW TO TYPE AND USE A COMPUTER. THAT CONNECTED WITH SOME A.D.H.D. MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO PUT MY THOUGHTS DOWN USING A KEYBOARD. AS A RESULT WHAT COMES OUT IS OFTEN POORLY WRITTEN, FILLED WITH A MYRIAD OF MISTAKES AND PROBABLY CAUSES MORE CONFUSION THAN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. 2)PLEASE HELP ME, I HAVE BEEN TOLD I'M NOT A REAL JAYHAWK FAN. SO IF YOU HAVE THE TIME COULD YOU POST THE RULES & REGULATIONS. DO YOU HAVE A SECRET HANDSHAKE ? THE COMMENT I MADE EARLIER ABOUT TRADITION ETC. WAS ABOUT FANS PULLING THEM LIKE A PISTOL TO DEFEND A JAYHAWK "LOSS". YES, MY SPELLING ABILITIES ARE DREADFUL.3) ALTHOUGH I HAVE WORN ANTLERS, ALUMINEM FOIL, RABBIT EARS, SOME REALLY FINE HATS I'M NOT AN ANTLER. JUST ANOTHER A.H. THAT HAPPENS TO BE OBSESSED WITH JAYHAWK B-BALL. 4) ITS ALWAYS SOMEWHAT SHAMEFUL TO LEARN IN PUBLIC, ITS TAKEN ME ABOUT A HALF HOUR TO WRITE THIS. FRANKLY, IT SUCKS, BUT I'LL BE BACK. TO THE REAL FAN THAT TOLD ME TO GET OFF THE COMMENT SITE, "NO". IF MIZZOU WINS TONIGHT IT MAY MOTIVATE THE HAWKS, IS THAT OK FOR ME TO SAY?

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Ethan Berger 2 years, 1 month ago

Why is Anthony Davis running away with the poy? SEC is only better then pac 12 because of UK. We should have the number 1 if Duke doesnt win the acc tourney. This east coast bias is at its worst this year

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Tom Wilson 2 years, 1 month ago

It is tough to beat a good team 3 times in the same season. When KU won the NCAA championship in 1988, we beat a team (Oklahoma University) that had beaten us twice during the regular season. If the 1988 Sooners and the 2012 Jayhawks could compare notes as to how they felt before, during and after their losses (i.e., to teams that they had handled twice during conference play), I would bet the similarities would be abundant. Sounds like Baylor played its best game of the year. The only downside, to me, is not being able to give the Tigers one final whipping before leaving for the SEC, where their expectations, with the graduation of all their seniors, have to be below sea level. Hopefully, we'll see the Tigers again in about 20 years in the NCAAs.

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KansasComet 2 years, 1 month ago

What I learned from the game last night is we do not play well on zero days rest. Kansas players will get called lazy, unfocused, injured, soft, losers, etc....and that's just from the Jayhawk Fans! I am not proud of some of the things that I have said in frustration, so, I apologize. This team needs our support and the time is now!!! Let's go T-Rob, let's go Tyshawn, let's go Elijah, let's go Jeff, let's go Travis, and let's go Jayhawk Bench! Know your role, embrace your role and give your all. We are all cheering for you, no matter how upset we are!! Next week will be cheers instead of jeers. Go Jayhawks!!

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Sam Constance 2 years, 1 month ago

(...conclusion)

Lastly, as much as I would've loved to beat MU again and keep them from getting the B12 tournament trophy before leaving for the SEC, I can't say I'm terribly miffed about not getting to play them. I liked the way the rivalry ended in basketball, with Good sending Evil off with the sour taste of the most crushing kind of defeat one can experience. Combined with the mirror-image game in Columbia, that has to be the only way this could have ended, right? Speaking of history, jow many times have KU/MU even played each other in the Sprint Center? That would be a stupid way to end it, and if MU happened to win, MU fans would ignorantly talk about having "eternal" bragging rights, somehow believing that a single win makes up for the tragically lopsided disparity towards KU in the on-court results and accolades.

No MU, we'll see you later. When someday we decide that there is a large pile of money involved in creating a rivalry game--maybe once every 7-10 years when you have a nationally-acclaimed team. Enjoy 1st or 2nd place in the B12 tournament. I guess you aren't "knocking on the door" any longer, though I don't know if you could qualify this as "bustin' i-iiiiiin"...

Who knows, maybe Baylor will continue this whole "playing up to their talent level" thing and actually dominate MU with their size and athleticism, like we all thought they would at least once during the regular season.

I, for one will be glad for the players' extra day of rest and bruise to the ego, to make for a solid first weekend performance out of them. Hoping for a dual-championship in the Big 12 out of this team, especially in a year with two other top-10/15 teams, always seemed a little lofty to begin with, so let's see what they can do in the Big Dance. Hopefully it will involve lots of fat ladies. And a chorus of singing.

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!

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Sam Constance 2 years, 1 month ago

While a frustrating loss, given that we looked flat in the first half, then couldn't finish out after showing life in the second half, I have to admit I can't get that upset about it. Really, only two things bother me:

1) I don't ever like to watch KU lose. If it was my choice, KU would have won every single game I've watched.

2) The team looked a flat to start the game, and it's never a good thing when that happens in a matchup of (almost) top 10 teams in a tournament setting. Also, I think it may have contributed to KU's poor night shooting the three, which as icthawkfan316 noted, was essentially the difference in the game.

The only real concern here is whether or not KU's lack of energy was due to fatigue, or due to the game being essentially bragging rights only (against a team we had blasted twice). In the context of Self's stated goals for the season (B12 reg. season title, NCAA title), it's plausible that lack of urgency had an effect. However, if it's fatigue, then there is room for concern that this team is vulnerable to the same thing we've seen in recent years--losing to a team we should be when we shoot well below our average from deep.

As far as how this loss will affect the NCAA tourney seed... I'm unconvinced it really matters. Sure, KU will possibly (and likely) drop off the 1-line, after UNC/Duke or OSU/MSU take the 3rd and 4th slots. However, I think that the committee is too erratic to make any solid assumptions on what to expect seeding/location-wise for teams like KU--solidly in the 1/2-seed conversation, regardless of how they finish. We've seen 1-seeds be shipped off to play in their region's 2-seed home market. KU (1) had to play UCLA (2) in California in 2007, and Oklahoma (1) had to go up to Albany, NY to play Syracuse (2) in 2003.

It should also be noted that losing a 1-seed, if it happens, might end up making the team feel slighted, which is always a good way to instill the kind of "we'll show them" attitude that can lead to great basketball. Certainly less flat basketball at the least.

(to be concluded...)

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hawkmaster 2 years, 1 month ago

jay master bate, you really are one of the most uninformed buffoons on here, and apparently you have no life given your superfluous rebuttal to my points...my intent was not to analyze 100% of the game because I do have a life!

Let me just point out one obvious oversight on your behalf which indicates your knowledge of basketball can be put in a thimble.

You state - - Fourth, it would have been a desirable accomplishment to have won this tournament, because it would have nearly guarantied a 1 seed, which can be an easier path to glory than a lesser seed, though such was not the case for the '88, or '08 ring teams, was it?

(and guarantied...really!)

Thus you state the 2008 KU championship team was NOT a No. 1 seed, how do you miss the obvious for which even the most remedial KU fan is aware. THE 2008 KU TEAM WAS A NO. 1 SEED IN THE MW REGION, DUH! In fact, the 2008 NCAA tourney was the first time that all No. 1 seeds advanced to the Final Four, and KU beat NC (the overall No. 1 seed in the semis), and then advanced to beat Memphis in the final (Memphis and UCLA were the other No. 1 seeds).

You really lost all credibility with that fatally flawed oversight, please go back to Jayhawk 101 and come better prepared next time if you want to debate with the big boys here instead of just vomiting your blog!

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FarSideHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Not too bummed about this loss at all. I think it is good that they did against Baylor and not Mizzou.

It will give the short rotation an extra day of much needed rest.

I would gladly take being the strongest #2 seed (against weakest #1); that will fuel the motivation of this squad.

Geography plays a role, but I remember losing several times in our preferred regions too, so not a big deal in the end.

This has been a fun year and a pleasant surprise.

Let's see how it goes from here on out.
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

PS I'm hoping Kentucky doesn't lose in the SEC tournament and I hope their freshmen really believe that they can show up and win. If they do lose now I think they are going all the way.

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jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

"Some Possible Explanations for the High Number of Despairing Posts After the Lost to Failor"

~In an utterly random universe, KU players suddenly lost all knowledge of how to play the game well.

~In a non random universe, DARPA project erased KU players memories and they suddenly lost all knowledge of how to play the game well.

~In a conspiratorial universe, Mossad, MI-6, phony Rebels of Arab Spring, and corporate security for Krinklebein's Fish and Chips conspired to slip KU players brain decay tablets and caused KU players to suddenly lose all knowledge of how to play the game well.

~In a hopelessly polluted universe, reputed neuro-carcinogins in top secret Coca Cola recipe interacting with aging-keg-mold- residue in Canadian Mist consumed by players at recent barn party caused KU players to suddenly lose all knowledge of how to play the game well.

~In a rock-will-be-the-undoing-of-civilization universe, KU players attended a rock concert with a sound system that blew memory function out of their brains and KU players all suddenly lost all knowledge of how to play the game well.

~Antlers getting serial aliases again.

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monkeehawkSL8 2 years, 1 month ago

THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A POPULAR POST. I HOPE THE TIGERS KICK BAYLOR OUT OF THE BUILDING TODAY. IF YOU PAID ATTENTION TO THE PHOTO THAT HEADED THIS STORY, COMMENTS ETC, IT SHOWED A BAYLOR PLAYER WITH THE BIRDMAN, THREE FINGER SALUTE. A DOUBLE I MIGHT ADD THAT FOR MOST OF THE YEAR WAS TRADEMARK GESTURE BY KU PLAYERS AFTER THEY HIT A 3. I LOATH ARROGANT BASKETBALL, NO CLASS. I'M ASHAMED TO BE A JAYHAWK FAN WHEN I READ A POST WITH SOMEONE CALLING THE UNIVERSITY OF MO. METH U. THAT SOMEONE HATES THE TIGERS. THE TYPICAL KU LOSE FOLLOWED BY A COMPLETE LIST OF JAYHAWK ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT OUR LOSES ARE BETTER THAN YOURS BECAUSE WE HAVE RICH TRADITION 47,001 CONF. CHAMPIONSHIPS BARF BLAH ETC. IN 2003 A HEAD COACH OF ANOTHER TEAM WALKED DOWN TO THE KU BENCH TO CONGRATULATE 2 SENIORS IN THIER FINAL HOME GAME TO LET THEM KNOW HOW MUCH HE APPRECIATED THEM AND THIER PLAY IN THE LEAGUE. THAT TEAM HAD SOME GREAT RUNS IN THE TOURNEY. 2 FINAL 4'S BUT SEEING EDDIE SUTTON DO THAT WAS FOR ME A GREAT JAYHAWK MEMORY. CLASS SPORTSMANSHIP, ITS MISSING CURRENTLY. WE HAVE SOME VERY TALENTED PLAYERS THAT STILL HAVE NOT GROWN UP. SUPERMAN DOES NOTPLAY ON THE JAYHAWKS. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY B-BALL PROGRAM IN THE NATION THAT WANTS TO WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. WITHOUT THE TIGERS, CYCLONES, LONGHORNS, SOONERS, WILDCATS, UNI, VCU ETC, WE ARE NOTHING. I READ SOME POSTS LAST NIGHT THAT THE TEAM MAY NEED SOME HUMILITY. THEY DON,T NEED EXCUSES. LAST NIGHT THEY LOST. I HOPE THEY PLAY WELL IN THE BIG DANCE. I DON'T MAKE PREDICTIONS, ALTHOUGH I HAVE FOUND THAT THE TEAM THAT SCORES THE MOST POINTS WINS. NO MATTER WHAT THEY HAVE DONE BEFORE.

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kittygrom 2 years, 1 month ago

Bummed about the loss, it happens. Baylor was so quick...I thought we looked great for the first 5 minutes, then everybody seemed exhausted. Most surprised by Withey, he really just seemed out of it, poor kid! Wanted to say I was so impressed by Kevin Young, and really looking forward to seeing what he does next year! :)

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 1 month ago

A few points: The Championship week has always and always will be focused on in/out and not seeding. Only if there is a question beforehand will there be an adjustment.

KU was a #1 seed before the tournament, they leave as a #1 seed. Texas was out before the tournament, Texas is in after the tournament. BYU was in before the tournament, BYU is out after the tournament.

KU is a #1 seed in the West. SU in the North, UNC in the South. UK in the Midwest. I think there will be a story of MU and UK because they will be facing each other in their midwest as future SEC opponents. UK will prevent MU from making its first final four.

KU will get favorable matchups in the West, because there aren't any good teams out west and they will send teams that just didn't do enough out west. I'm guessing that a scary Marquette will sneak in as a #2 seed.

I've said that Missouri will be a #4 seed and it still wouldn't surprise me, but a #1 or a #2 seed would definitely surprise me. Dan Beebe will trade KU as a #1 seed and UT in the dance for Missouri not getting a #2 seed (basically a #3 or #4 seed).

In addition, I said it before that I would have been surprised if KU and MU faced off in the championship, to beat the same Top Team Team in one season is a tough feat. Baylor has had its slip up, but Scott came to win the tournament. I think the tournaments are more exciting for the non-BCS schools (gets them into the dance).

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KULA 2 years, 1 month ago

These guys look tired. Missed threes and getting beat to rebounds is a sure indication of tired legs. It's just as well they'll get an extra day of rest. They have nothing to gain from another knock-down drag-out grind with Mizzou. They should have a 1 seed sewn up on the basis of winning the Big 12 by 2 games. At least over Mizzou, anyway. Wouldn't be surprised to see the committee try to sneak Duke in there along with Carolina. But another game with Mizzou only further drains their already depleted batteries, emotionally and physically. Best to go home, get a day or two's rest, and recharge for the real tournament. Who needs another emotionally charged game with Mizzou?

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sekjayhawkfan 2 years, 1 month ago

This post is directed to ESPN spokesman Mike Humes, who was quoted in a 2/21/2012 news article reporting how screwed up ESPN and Time Warner Cable were with the airing of Big 12 Big Monday games earlier this season. (BTW - If I could find an email address for Mr. Humes and the email addresses of Big 12 leadership then I wouldn't be posting this here!!)

Dear Mr. Humes:

So we're KU fans living in Southeast Kansas and we --- along with everyone else in our community who doesn't have satellite reception (with the Altitude Network !!!!!) --- are trying to figure out WHY you didn't broadcast the KU vs.Baylor game last night on ESPNU as listed/promised on the espn.com online schedule --- and as listed/promised on our cable television screen listing?!!

Geez! It was a #3 vs. #11 game, we live in the Big 12 footprint, and we got SEC basketball instead????!!!! Wondering why? Seriously!!??

If we had wanted to watch the game on ESPN3 --- with grainy video and halting audio --- then we would have turned off our 52-inch HD unit, popped some popcorn and had our dozen guests squeeze into our 8x8 foot home office to watch it on our 18-inch computer screen!

At the very least, please don't list games on your broadcast schedule when you can't follow thru with televising them! That way we'll know IN ADVANCE that we need to find someone/some place that has satellite before tip-off!

Oh --- and by the way --- feel free to air your SEC Tournament in Columbia, MO, and College Station, TX, next year! Those people might be interested --- BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE NOT!!

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BPSkelly 2 years, 1 month ago

Look, if before the season had started folks had told you we'd win the Big 12 by a couple of games you'd be thrilled. And we should be considering the drop from TRob/Taylor to the #3 guy (whomever it is - we still dont know really).

And considering we dont know who that 3 guy is - presumably EJ, but who knows... isnt this team getting to say... the Sweet 16 something that would be worthy? Id say yes, but Im likely more realistic than the Final Four or bust folks.

All this in an "off" year for KU. Gawd I love being a Jayhawk.

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ferrari4eva 2 years, 1 month ago

KU is nearly a lock for #1 in the West. People are getting way too wrapped up in the one or two games of the year. Its about the entire body of work. Look at Kus wins shading top 50 teams and strength of schedule. I will be shocked if the one seeds are not UK, syracuse,unc, and KU. Rock chalk its already been a year to remember muck Fizzou!

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Steve Brown 2 years, 1 month ago

NC State long shot to upset UNC today, may send UNC west and put KY into Atlanta. Good for us, increases our chances to get Saint Louis as #2.

First we have to get out of Omaha, keep focus on the imediate goal.

If you are able get yourself and pals to Omaha buy up all the sidewalk scalper tickets, keep the arena Crimson and Blue and out of hands of Black & Gold. Bring the Rock Chalk chant to the house.

Go Baylor- send Tigers to SEC with a good whuppin' not a trophy.

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akgjenkintown 2 years, 1 month ago

This team has to play lock down defense to be successful. As coach Self has said in the past, the first to 70 should win. They can win playing ugly, but it has to start at the defensive end since this team lacks consistent scorers. A long season, a lack of a productive bench is clearly taking a toll. It is fortunate that the players are relatively healthy this late into the season. Although you are only as good as your last game, losing last night will unfortunately drop KU to a second seed if MU wins today. Nevertheless, the extra day off may actually help this team if they decide to come out motivated day one of the tournament and get back to the basics of playing great defense.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

1] 27-6 2] Potential POY and sure All-American 3] Discovered a 7'-0" beast for next season 4] Coach of the Year 5] In Top Ten most of the year 6] Potential Cousy Award winner 7] Beat Misery in maybe the last game with them ever in spectacular fashion. 8] Poised to do some damage in the Big Dance 9] Oh yeah, almost forgot....Eighth Straight Conference Title.

What's not to like about 2011-2012???!!!!!

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flyingfinn 2 years, 1 month ago

I like most KU fans do not like to lose and are disappointed with our play yesterday, but really believe this team will come out with a chip on their sholders and make a run in the tourney. Don't know if they can win it all but they will still surprise us as they have done this season. Don't forget Syracuse also lost yesterday and I agree with what Coach Knight said on TV, I don't like post season conference tournaments they only take away from what teams have earned during a long conference championship battles.

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Redlandsjhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

The only "downer" thing I will say (or have ever said if you're keeping score) is that I agree with Tyshawn that I hate that that's always our excuse too. (coming out flat).

But as far as I'm concerned we are totally playing with house money this year for a change and it's gonna be even sweeter when we hoist the NC trophy!

Rock Chalk All!!

Enjoy what's left of this great ride!

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jayhawkintx1973 2 years, 1 month ago

It is very difficult to beat a talented team 3 out of 3. That won't happen in the NCAA Tourney.

I still think KU gets a number 1 seed, Syracuse lost yesterday too. KU's strength of schedule, Regular season champs. Only thing that would keep it from happening is a Duke ACC Championship, in my opinion, but if UNC and Duke both lose in the ACC Tourney before the Championship game...

A number 1 or a number 2 seed isn't going to matter in the big picture though. You have to play eventually a team near a top seed, most likely to advance to the Final 4. Does it matter if KU is a number 2? Not really. They have to go out and beat the other top seeded teams which will be the same if they're a number 1 or number 2.

Number 2 though, makes them less of a target. Can't wait to get the bracket tomorrow though. I see at least an Elite 8 in Kansas' future, and this was supposed to be a rebuilding year.

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William Blake 2 years, 1 month ago

"“But our goal is not to win the Big 12 tournament championship. Our goal is to win the Big 12 (regular-season) championship, which we have, and the national championship, which we still can."

Really? I've never heard this before. I thought our goal is to win the regular season first. Then... win the Big 12 tournament. Then... win the national championship.

Does this philosophy go so far as to intentionally lose in the Big 12 tournament?

I dislike conference tournaments. There is no purpose in them. The playing of these tournaments take away from the importance of regular season play... There are too many games played now in college basketball. It's starting to become like pro ball, where a game here and there doesn't mean that much because of the quantity.

And I guess I am not the only one who thinks this way, as college basketball attendance numbers have been dropping for years now because games are more accessible on various forms of media... and because the average played game just doesn't have the importance it once held.

And while dingdongs like Kim English believe Kansas fans have some kind of identity crisis... Kansas game attendance bucks the trends with continual sell-out crowds. We don't waiver in our following... while other schools' fans may prefer the comforts of staying home to watching games live.

Long live AFH!

Read about attendance drops:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/story/2012-03-08/college-basketball-concerns-attendance-drop/53424996/1

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kennethst 2 years, 1 month ago

I agree with above......I have long been terrified of KU being the first #1 to lose to a #16. It's going to happen.....and I fear it will be KU to be the first. Especially given past chokes in recent years. If they play like last night.....I agree they will absolutely be the the first.

I would have no problem being a #2....it may be better for them anyway.

How did they go from the A&M game to the Baylor game????? Wow. Looked like two different teams.

And from what I could hear on TV......the fans at the arena were not a factor. I know it's nothing like AFH.....but still.....come on!!!

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Colin Fernandes 2 years, 1 month ago

Perry Jones 111 MVP Big 12 Championship as Baylor crushes Misery - The end

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Oread420 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm not disappointed at all about the loss. Actually, I predicted it and am glad because it breaks any idea that the real Tourney will be a cake walk to the semifinals. I hate the Conference Tourney and aways have hated. It's a waste of energy, risks injury, and usually means nothing.

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theend 2 years, 1 month ago

Interesting how TRob plays like crap when he thinks NBA scouts are watching.

And don't tell me about his 15 points and whatever rebounds......he was terrible last night.

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Choctaw 2 years, 1 month ago

Take a long, deep breath and let it out...... There. Now that we all feel better remember why we play this game. MARCH MADNESS is here! And we are in great shape to have some fun. Just like we spoiled Jayhawk fans are every year. It's good to be a Jayhawk!

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theend 2 years, 1 month ago

I don't care too much about last night.....but I will say this: If KU plays like this next week......they will be the first #1 seed to be beat by a #16. That's not a prediction.....that's fact.

Last night......we saw the team that everyone was saying before the season.....KU would be average and finish 4th in Big 12.

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KansasComet 2 years, 1 month ago

Not one negative comment about our sixth man - incredible!!!

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KCKJayhawkSS913 2 years, 1 month ago

This is a good loss. Better to lose now than in the ncaa's.

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eway12 2 years, 1 month ago

  1. Least concerned I've ever been about a KU loss in March.
  2. Like EJ going to the rim.

Saturday - day off to rest Sunday - watch some tape, get a few shots up, more rest Monday - watch some tape on first round opponent, more rest Tuesday - hard, intense practice Wednesday - shoot, rest Thursday/Friday - put on your shoes

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nuleafjhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I don't know if the Baylor uniforms were a distraction for us - but ours DEFINITELY were not a distraction to them. They really didn't give a crap that ours said KANSAS, even though we were thoroughly impressed with that.

No fire. No hustle. No desire. Big surprise that we lost.

"We spanked them twice already, we'll spank them again today." Great March mindset.

I had a bad feeling when they announced the whole Tyshawn Cousy award thing. I'm not blaming this on TT either - just saying that it seems to me that the whole team has this attitude of " We've got Cousy finalists, POY finalists, Defensive Player of the Year, Coach of the Year, blah blah blah - we're so awesome nobody would dare think of ruining our party by beating us".

I've seen that many posters are OK with this loss. I'm happy that it's OK with them. It's not with me. I don't like to lose.

Unless we win the National Championship (highly unlikely at this time) we're going to have 7 losses this year. That is awesome !! If you're K-State. Or Iowa State or about 250 other schools. That's more losses than our last two seasons combined. I'm not OK with it.

This is Kansas! We win - it's what we do. I hope we lose the "we're so great" attitude and get the damn "chip on the shoulder" attitude back soon. I want to spent the next few weeks in front of my TV, not out working in the yard.

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bennybob 2 years, 1 month ago

The reason find this loss concerning is because we lost this game for the same reasons we lost to UNI and VCU: perimeter defense.

I guess its best to get this skunk game out of the way now, i just hope its not a foreshadow of how Self's going to trip up in the tournament again this year.

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Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

This was my favorite comment from the post-game discussion, from the poster JayhawkFanToo:

"It never ceases to amaze me all the band wagon fans coming out of the woodwork to criticize KU. People that have rarely seen post suddenly become the board oracles."

To you scrubs who almost never post on here except after a loss to brilliantly tell the rest of us how bad this team is - just save it. It makes you look like trolls. I know, I know. You never post but that game made you so angry because it was "embarrassing" and so bad you just had to come on here and enlighten the rest of us with your expert insight. It's a shame Tyshawn didn't have one of his poorer games, because I'm sure you have one of those "it's all Tyshawn's fault" posts locked & loaded for just such an occasion.

Look, I get it. After a loss it hurts, you're disappointed, and need to lash out. Even I generally have a little more to say after a loss. However, go have a juice or something if your only urge to ever post comes after a loss so you can tear down Coach Self or the guys on this team just to make yourself feel better. That is what is really embarrassing. When you post your drivel the collective group of die hard fans on here take step away from you, as if to say "he's not with us," because you're making us look bad. Get over it and try to enjoy the last few games with this group, as opposed to writing your next "scathing" criticism in your head while waiting for them to lose again.

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IrishCharlie 2 years, 1 month ago

“But our goal is not to win the Big 12 tournament championship. Our goal is to win the Big 12 (regular-season) championship, which we have,

Spin Away, March is in the air, Choke is in the throat.

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rockchalkxii 2 years, 1 month ago

"We got our 15% trey game out of the way BEFORE the Madness."

I really hope you're right.

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Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

BlownThoughts from an optimist trapped inside of of a pessimist.

I'm okay with losing for 3 reasons:

Glad we lost to Baylor, and not to Mizzou. Mizzou would have rung our clocks tonight. You think the Jayhawks looked tired against Baylor..ha...Mizzou would run circles around them, and likely turn it into a blowout. Mizzou has four Brady Heslips.

The boys get one more day of rest, and one less game on their treads.

And I'm kind of sick of hearing that '22 year old's don't get tired.'. Seriously? Do people really believe that? I'm still in my 20's and play in a league with guys from 18-25. Kids get tired. And with the Hawks--it's not just Basketball games. There's continued weight conditioning, classes, & social life these guys are dealing with. 22 year old's don't get tired my @$$.

And the last reason I'm okay with the loss: it looks like KU went ahead and threw out there 3 pt aberration of a game....2 fo13. Sounds like UNI or VCU to me. Glad to get that statistical outlier out of the way with only 6 games left on the schedule.

These guys need to rest and refocus, especially Thomas. His play has declined over the last three weeks. Coincidentally, with the news that AD will be receiving the NPOY award. I know that bothers TRob. He's competitive, and I understand that--but he is letting it negatively affect his play, IMHO. Refocus and play within the team. Let the game come to him, because he has been forcing the action lately.

I think this team is worthy of a #1 seed, but I also think that there are 5-6 other teams worthy of it. A 2 seed is realistically where this team is, and where I believe they will excel in the tourney.

I'm predicting a sweet 16 run. I said before the season, I thought this team would end up with 8-9 losses before even getting to the Big 12 tournament. I picked them to go 14-4 and lose the conference to Baylor 15-3. These guys have already exceeded my expectations. Now it's time to just enjoy it.

The hardest part about losing the last game wont be about losing,to me. It's the fact that ball season is over and I have to wait 6 months for it to return.

Rock Chalk!

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actorman 2 years, 1 month ago

One thing to keep in mind for all the people who are panicking over a conference-tournament loss: Since 1985, there have been 23 national champions who also played in conference tournaments. Of those 23 champions, only 12 of them had also won their conference tournaments. That should help to confirm what most people already know: that there's no connection between how a team does in its conference tournament and how it does in the Madness.

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area51 2 years, 1 month ago

Just what I wanted. To heck with the big 12 tourney we allready won the regular season title. Get rest and get focused for the tourney that counts!!

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BPSkelly 2 years, 1 month ago

My one fear all year has simply been that after Robinson and Taylor this team has no consistent scoring threat. It's come and gone all year. Sometimes its Johnson -- whom it should be all the time -- but he's far to inconsistent to assume he can do it all the time. Sometimes its Withey... who had that great little 3-4 game stretch where he looked like a world beater. But beyond that stretch he's be totally unreliable offensively. That guy needs to hit the weight room in the worst way. Releford has certainly had his moments, but he's not asked to be a bigger score... his job is to lock down the opponents best swing guy... which he's maddeningly inconsistent at.

The rest of the guys on the roster is essentially role players. Which makes the fact we've won the conference 8 straight seasons even more impressive. Self deserves the credit and the accolades for getting this team to accomplish this. But personally just have trouble seeing us getting much farther than the 1st weekend -- which we will, but beyond that I mean.

Of course ALL of this also assumes Taylor and Robinson are firing on all cylinders, or close to it. If that goes out the window... so do the Jayhawks.

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chipmunk1956 2 years, 1 month ago

Count me as one who's really not that concerned about this loss. If for no other reason, I didn't want to give Missery braggin rights over us on their way out the door. All things considered, at this point in the season, this loss is relatively "harmless." Just my $0.02... In the words of Lyle Lovett...

Given that true intellectual and emotional compatibility Are at the very least difficult If not impossible to come by... We could always opt for the more temporal gratification Of sheer physical attraction. That wouldn't make you a shallow person... Would it?

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catfiche 2 years, 1 month ago

It was Baylor's camouflage uniforms. KU couldn't find the Baylor players to defend. (Of course, it would have helped if they'd have been looking for them.)

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MinnesotaJay 2 years, 1 month ago

Regarding this loss, my concerns are expressed as follows:

Phew. Okay, glad I got that off my chest.

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kusayzone 2 years, 1 month ago

This team needs to remember only one thing now....one more loss, and this team will never play again together. That being said, I dont want to see the bashers of individual players rise their ugly head. One more loss, and your head will blow up because you have nothing else to blow about!

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hawkmaster 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm a season ticket holder & huge fan, but please don't lump me in with these posters that are typical KU rationalizers, these same fans thought it was so important to win the Big 12 tourney & beat Mizzou again, & now with the loss they rationalize the tourney is bad, both Mizzou & Baylor suck, KU should get some rest, Bobby Knight had some hand in the loss..blah, blah.

The sky is not falling, KU played bad & Baylor probably played their best game of the year, right now at this snapshot in time give Baylor credit, they are better than KU - - that doesn't mean they will be better than KU their next game or two weeks from now.

However, I agree with HCBS that a loss is never good & he puts a big emphasis on winning the Big 12 tourney, so I trust his judgement that a win was very important and a loss is not good now or for the NCAA tourney. Although, I don't think there are any meaningful stats to show teams have a better or worst shot in the NCAA tourney based on winning or losing their conf. tourney.

Still, it is not a good think this late in the season to have a team revert to bad habits, those should be corrected by now. Maybe the worst thing was to have EJ score career high 26 points against A&M, now he thinks he is the go to guy, jacking up 16 bad shots, many coming early in the possession clock without more than a pass or two, very selfish. EJ and TT shot it 31 times, and I am fine with TT getting his 15 shots. But for TRob and Withey to only get off 14 and 8 shots, that is the problem.

EJ was not the only guilty party, much like the KU loss at Mizzou, the team got selfish, EJ, TT, and TRob all took a lot of quick bad shots, KU never required Baylor to play much defense with a lot of shots coming early in the shot clock. So of course Baylor had more energy on offense & was better rested.

On the other hand, Baylor's game plan was spot on, they wore KU out by making them play defense for most of the shot clock, & then they made a large % of shots with little time left on the shot clock. I know there are a lot of Drew haters, but KU got outplayed and outcoached this game, yes, that happens sometimes!

One other issue of concern, KU's rebounding has really suffered this last part of the season. KU was very good the middle of the season & has clearly fallen off. Teams are getting a lot of offensive rebounds & 2nd chance points, that is Self's biggest pet peeve & KU can't seem to correct that. Although KU & Baylor were tied on total rebounds and offensive rebounds (14), Baylor converted more of their offensive rebounds into points.

And for those rationalizing this lost was best to allow KU to rest, pleeeeeze, KU rested last night... one more day of rest going into the NCAA tourney will have absolutely no impact on a win or loss.

Bottom line, the sky is not falling, but I'm not going to totally discount this loss, a lot of bad habits re-appeared and if they do so one more game, KU is done.

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jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

We are in great shape.

We averaged 42% from trey the last two games. :-)

We got our 15% trey game out of the way BEFORE the Madness.

Self will send them out flat the first game, but we will shoot well enough to win.

He will half amp the second game.

Third and fourth games will be half and full amps.

Then we scramble into the Finals against UK.

Then we win.

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Jayhawklegacy 2 years, 1 month ago

I really would like to see any other team besides mizz holding a trophy!!!! Go Baylor!

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Jayhawklegacy 2 years, 1 month ago

I really wanted to see another game with missouri, I hope Baylor plays as hard against them as they did us! I would not mind Baylor beating the breaks off of them. I do feel that losing this game is the only game I could stomach losing in the B12 tourney this year

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YuCoJayHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Also there was something eerily disturbing about that guy hitting a three and then another three to destroy comeback hopes. But THIS time the season continues.... Yahoo's bracket prediction has KU has the first #2 seed with Ohio St being the last #1 seed. That's fine with me, put us in their bracket, we beat em once, would probably do it even more handily the second time (even with Sullinger). But most likely Ohio St. would lose before the elite 8 matchup anyway....

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ameraidi 2 years, 1 month ago

We're winning the national championship this year and that's a promise.

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YuCoJayHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I also have noticed TRob's game being a bit "off" these past several weeks. He just doesn't seem to have the same jumping energy, and makes ALOT of careless mistakes, misses alot of really close shots. Maybe we just expect too much from him, but when the game is on the line this year, it seems he has delivered about 2 out of 8 times. Regardless, he still can carry this team the next three weeks, even when he doesn't have to. My second point is the wild amount of misses by EJ from three pt land....I count 15 of the 33 games this year that Elijah has missed at least four 3ptrs. With a career 3pt shooting avg of 34% and this year at 32%, it seems to really hurt the team on the nights he is missing and keeps jacking em up.... Let's hope he is hittin em every other game for the next 6. :)

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gardenjay 2 years, 1 month ago

Basketball is all about confidence. If you don't have confidence, you have to find a way to get it back.

I guess part of it can be 'wanting it more'; that's a different issue. If these were the only issues, broadly, then I would give confidence 60% and 'wanting it more' 40% as the factors in the BU defeat.

I also feel that 'wanting it more' is much easier to get up for than getting confidence back. As far as learning from all this, Tiger Woods already did that for you - maybe just read up on Woods.

Come on team, make an exciting run! RCJH GO KU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ParisHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm all for people adjusting their expectations.

Before the season, if we had been promised an 8th straight title, only 6 pre-Dance losses, Big 12 Player and Defensive Player of the Year, one of two favorites for National POY and a Cousy Award Finalist, we would have been ecstatic.

As the season progressed and despite efforts by some to "enjoy the ride", we set our expectations higher, thus increasing our chances for disappointment.

Now we've not only lost a game but looked like we should have lost. It happens.

So we adjust our expectations for seed and region, and move on. Fine.

I still don't see the advantage of being Dance defeatists: that seems an overreaction.

Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa: OK, ouch!

VCU: ouch, but we were still the only 1 seed to make the Elite Eight last year.

UCLA: the most evenly matched regional final, played in their backyard with Sherron hurt.

Michigan State: we played to our seed and lost by not much to a team that made the Championship Game.

Instead of expecting to win or expecting to lose, can't we just hope?

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docnchg 2 years, 1 month ago

The posters above must be near idiots. Probably understand LaCrosse but not basketball. Time off to rest the entire team should be helpful in the NCAA. This bitching about any player on a specific game just demonstrates a lack of understanding of how competitive Div I BB is these days. Syracuse lost, Kansas lost, so what?

The real test starts next week. All these guys bitching about KU BB players might spend more time being nice to to their wives and get out some of their aggression in the bedroom!!

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docnchg 2 years, 1 month ago

The posters above must be near idiots. Probably understand LaCrosse but not basketball. Time off to rest the entire team should be helpful in the NCAA. This bitching about any player on a specific game just demonstrates a lack of understanding of how competitive Div I BB is these days. Syracuse lost, Kansas lost, so what?

The real test starts next week. All these guys bitching about KU BB players might spend more time being nice to to their wives and get out some of their aggression in the bedroom!!

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PhoenixHawk49 2 years, 1 month ago

I hope the fellas are as angry about their lack of effort as I was. We got out worked and that just doesn't happen to a Bill Self team. Ku players walking around on offense and defense was a strange sight to see. If this serves as a lesson to the hawks, great but I hope they remember that defense and will are going to be our keys for winning the next six games in a row!!! This has been a remarkable team that has over achieved most of our expectations. I hope we get to watch six more games. Rock chalk!!!!!

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10point8 2 years, 1 month ago

No one can deny we are dominant in the regular season. And kudos for that! But don't get your hopes up for the Big Dance.

The Self administration has seen some pretty awful NCAA Tourney experiences (save 2008, of course): Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa, VCU. That 2007 team should have mopped the floor with UCLA and got sloppier than a mule eating spaghetti. And Self got flat out-coached by Izzo in 2009. (No one talks about that, but Izzo owned him.)

So, I can appreciate everyone wanting to look forward but, come on, the highlight of our season was securing out 8th straight with a dramatic win over Mizzery at home. And it was fantastic. Bit it's not going to get any better than that.

So, root. Yell. Cheer. But don't let it take over your life. You will only end up opening your eyes the morning after, with a sick feeling in your stomach, saying to yourself, "Did that really happen?" And every year the question itself will get less necessary as the answer becomes more routine.

By the way, Robinson is hurt but no one wants to admit it.

Here's to hoping I'm wrong about everything.

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dstnku34 2 years, 1 month ago

This loss doesn't bother me at all. Because of the weirdness of the regular season, our top seed in the conf tourney set us on a path of having to open play with the preseason conf co-champs, then 2 ranked opponents. Mizzou's path as the 2 seed was OKST, Texas, and one ranked opponent. Not ideal. Because of that draw, and because of Missouri's performance so far, had we beaten Baylor tonight, our legs would be gone and Mizzou would totally throttle us. I'm happy to take the loss to Baylor. Congrats to Mizzou in advance for the tourney championship. Now go the $@#% away. Rock Chalk Jayhawk.

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 1 month ago

KU is #1 in the West. You heard it here.

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phogphan2000 2 years, 1 month ago

great comments from everyone so far, Baylor was given new life after a disappointing conference season, they took advantage Now Kansas is given new life, in the NCAA tournament. A loss hurts, always, never feels good, no doubt, but if makes the Jayhawks hungrier heading into the tourney so be it. Is KU going to lose a 1 seed, almost certainly, one of MSU/OSU is going to win their tourney, one of Duke/UNC is going to win theirs, MU might win the in KC God forbid. Doesn't matter, honestly I never liked the idea of a 1 seed in St. Louis, too many good teams from nearby that could be a 4 or 5 seed in KU's bracket, and also that could be a 2 or 3 seed. I was always kind of hoping for a way for KU to take down MU this year but not get that 1 seed in St. Louis, this isn't that bad of a way to do it as long as Baylor takes care of MU in the final. Out west it's a vacuum, no really good teams in the area. I'd much rather play an Elite8 game with someone like Michigan St in Phoenix than St. Louis. All that being said these guys have to get fired up, they have to get after it in practice and get ready to play the best basketball of their lives if they want to make a Final Four run. We all know they're capable, EJ is being aggressive, TT is flooring it and taking it to defenses, Withey is looking to score, and TRob is still TRob which is more than other player in CBB can say. Time to refocus, time to dance

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Calijhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I remember Roy griping about the Big 12 tournament in the years we won the regular season title. If you have a 1 or 2 seed sewn up, show up, play your bench. Let the starters rest their legs. If you win, great. If you don't, you go away with no worse than a 2, and get to rest your legs.

Other than the location of the venue, I am not sure that there is a huge difference between a 1 and 2 seed. You still have to play the team they put on the floor with you, no matter who it is. I have always wondered if fresh legs were more valuable than the Tournament Championship.

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Calijhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I remember Roy griping about the Big 12 tournament in the years we won the regular season title. If you have a 1 or 2 seed sewn up, show up, play your bench. Let the starters rest their legs. If you win, great. If you don't, you go away with no worse than a 2, and get to rest your legs.

Other than the location of the venue, I am not sure that there is a huge difference between a 1 and 2 seed. You still have to play the team they put on the floor with you, no matter who it is. I have always wondered if fresh legs were more valuable than the Tournament Championship.

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Calijhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I remember Roy griping about the Big 12 tournament in the years we won the regular season title. If you have a 1 or 2 seed sewn up, show up, play your bench. Let the starters rest their legs. If you win, great. If you don't, you go away with no worse than a 2, and get to rest your legs.

Other than the location of the venue, I am not sure that there is a huge difference between a 1 and 2 seed. You still have to play the team they put on the floor with you, no matter who it is. I have always wondered if fresh legs were more valuable than the Tournament Championship.

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thebcman 2 years, 1 month ago

I will be able to take this loss a lot better if Baylor whoops MethZoo's ass tomorrow.

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Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

  1. As Musberger & Knight pointed out during the broadcast, the difference in the game was 3-point shooting. We were out-rebounded by three, not a big discrepancy. One more turnover than Baylor. Big deal. Overall we shot slightly better from the floor. The free throws were about even before we had to start fouling. But they made nine 3s, and we made two. There's your ball game. I have mixed feelings about this. One the one hand, we're not going to be that bad normally. Against aTm we were 10-15. We're not going to be that good normally either, but we're a decent perimeter shooting team. On the other hand, last year's team was a decent shooting perimeter team. The '10 team was a decent shooting perimeter team. What was their undoing? Poor 3-point shooting on short turn-around days in the tournament. Against VCU 2-21, against UNI 6-23. We shoot to our average in those games, or against Baylor, and we win. What is it about that second game that makes us struggle so much in this regard? It's not just a case of "well, our guys' legs are naturally more tired the second day," because the same should be true of our opponents as well. I don't have any answers, but it worries me.

  2. How is it that TRob misses so many bunnies? I'm wondering if he's more than just a little nicked up. Or maybe it's just that his body is not used to playing this many minutes after being only a reserve player previously. Whatever it is, I think he is lacking lift on his jumps, and it's causing the timing of his shots to be off. Hopefully Self fights the urge to practice his guys full tilt this week and gives them lots of rest.

Anyway, just a handful of observations and musings. Here's to hoping a massive stomach virus runs rampant through the Baylor & Mizery team hotels tonight, resulting in the cancellation of the Final and thus no tournament champ this year!

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Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

Random thoughts following the loss:

  1. No the sky is not falling. And on the surface a loss to a talented Baylor team is fairly small potatoes - we're still guaranteed at worst a #2 seed, no injuries were incurred, and really I could care less about the Big XII tournament (I'd posted as much prior to the loss).

HOWEVER...I really wanted this game. Us losing sets up a nightmare scenario in the final - Baylor vs. Mizery. Obviously nobody wants Mizery slinking off to the SEC with any hardware (I can just imagine Kimberly English's comments now...ugh), and Scott Drouche and Faylor are public enemy no. 1 once Mizery is out the door. Just a bad deal.

  1. Brady freakin' Heslip! Really? More than anything, his 3s cemented my worry over Travis and his ability to defend at this point. Both shots he was late getting to Heslip, and it cost us big. This is the same guy EJ locked up a few weeks ago for a donut. Travis has been billed as our lock-down defender. Right now I just don't see it. And I'm not saying this to pile on Travis. He actually did a lot of good things in the game. He rebounded great, and was one of the few players that consistently brought some energy. And he's not horrible on defense, but he's fallen off from where he was at the beginning of the year, and his lock-down ability was one of the things that made us so good - put Travis on someone and forget about it. There's going to be players far better than Brady Heslip that we need to stop. Coach Self & Travis both say the foot isn't the issue. Um, OK, so...
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kusportsdotcom 2 years, 1 month ago

Poor us, we have to wait and see if we're a 1 or a 2!!! At this point, the difference in 1 and 2 is negligible. Time to make a run, let's do this.

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Scott Smetana 2 years, 1 month ago

I really can't remember this Baylor game these guys are talking about. Time to move on. Rock Chalk #2 seed and a chip on our shoulders!

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