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Wednesday, March 7, 2012

Keegan

Self’s awards well-deserved

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Sporting News got it right in naming Bill Self its National Coach of the Year.

Before crying “homer,” consider the facts of the team Self has directed to a 26-5 record and a No. 3 national ranking against what statistician Jeff Sagarin ranks the third-strongest schedule in America (behind Michigan and Oklahoma State).

Compare Self’s roster, in terms of game experience within the program and hype coming out of high school, to the rosters of the other three leading contenders for No. 1 seeds in the NCAA Tournament: Kentucky, Syracuse and North Carolina.

Kansas ranks last in both areas.

Kentucky’s John Calipari is a magnificent basketball coach and doesn’t always get enough credit for winning with young talent because his personality rubs so many people the wrong way. I’ve never quite understood why, but then again, I’m biased. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to guys who are candid and colorful with their quotes, and Calipari is both.

Syracuse’s Jim Boeheim forever has been under-appreciated for his basketball brilliance as well. He dares to do it differently from most elite coaches in that he uses a 2-3 zone, not the preferred man-to-man. He really knows how to put a roster together and never leaves himself short of size, long-range shooters and pure point guards.

The way the Tar Heels are playing lately, Roy Williams has as good a shot as any coach to win what would be his third national title, all with North Carolina, after taking Kansas to four Final Fours in 15 seasons.

A check of the Associated Press preseason poll shows North Carolina was picked No. 1, Kentucky No. 2 and Syracuse No. 5. It requires a masterful coaching job to meet such high expectations, so kudos to the three coaches.

But what separates Self from the others is that the Kansas success is a stunner. Even a preseason ranking of No. 13 seemed a bit too optimistic given that Tyshawn Taylor was the only returning starter and had played more minutes for Self than the rest of the roster combined. Plus, the ineligibility rulings for the two top freshmen, Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor, meant Self had to head into the season with former walk-ons Conner Teahan and Justin Wesley as his sixth and seventh men.

Career minutes played in the program heading into the season for the four schools: 1. Syracuse 9,467; 2. North Carolina 7,814; 3. Kentucky 5,343; 4. Kansas 5,130.

McDonald’s All-Americans on the roster: 1. North Carolina 7; 2. Kentucky 4; 3. Syracuse 3; 4. Kansas 0.

Plus, Self had to adjust this season because one of his favorite tools — dangling playing time as a carrot to get players to do it his way — wasn’t available. He had to play his starters, and he still got them to follow orders so well that the Jayhawks are ranked third in the country.

It doesn’t take a homer to recognize a grand-slam coaching job.

Comments

Brendan Connolly 6 years, 9 months ago

Imagine how good we would look if McLemore or Traylor or heck Anderson had been cleared. Great job of coaching and should make it clear that no matter what "shortfalls" we have in a given year, that Self can deal with it.

The SOLE issue for me is I would like to have seen Tharpe get some more time. I realize how much he struggled at times, but if he could give us 5-10 minutes a game, I feel like our team would benefit multiples of those minutes.

hawk316 6 years, 9 months ago

I, too, would have liked to have seen more playing time for Tharpe (Coach Self would have probably have liked it, as well) but it didn't seem that the young man could capture Self's confidence. Tharpe's shaky performances are not all that unusual for freshmen, however. He may yet turn out to be an accomplished point guard for us in the future.

Congratulations to Coach Self. I've said it before, and I'll say it again...we are so blessed to have this man as our basketball coach. He may very well be the best college coach in the country when you combine all aspects of the job (recruiting, player motivation, game-planning, in-game adjustments, etc). Then, on top of that, he's such a classy guy, a likeable person who really seems to care about others, great judge of coaching talent (his assistants) and a terrific representative of the university, Count me as a big Self fan.

bdb6188 6 years, 9 months ago

ESPN has a poll for POY

Help T-Rob beat out Davis. I have put in around 1000 votes (I was bored in class).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank/_/listId/1611/versionId/1

There is also one for best conference and somehow the Big 12 is in 4th. Help fix this wrong.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/rank/_/listId/1591/versionId/1

prusso25 6 years, 9 months ago

Do you guys think Selby staying one more year would've been a net positive or net negative this season? I don't think Tyshawn would've had as good a year, and team chemistry might've be worse, but his long range shooting and athleticism could've been helpful. Thoughts?

mattiesdad 6 years, 9 months ago

There is no selby in team. Bill said it the other day...we have no one on the team this year who thinks its all about them.

SDSurferFan 6 years, 9 months ago

Nba guard? Positive. He would have done exponentially better in yr 2.

KGphoto 6 years, 9 months ago

How do we know he's a good coach if he cheats? All he's ever coached is blue chip talent that he cheated to attain. I'm sure it's happening right now in Kentucky but it's probably being covered up by big time Kentucky booster money. No way in hell anybody can consistently recruit every top player like that. No way. He shouldn't even be allowed to coach in the NCAA. He's a terrible cancer to basketball. Don't let him off the hook because he hasn't been busted at Kentucky yet. He's cheating somehow.

Mallory Rempp 6 years, 9 months ago

I was glad to see Selby go. He was SO arrogant even though he had a pretty craptastic season. Consider me unimpressed. Our guys are doing just fine without him, clearly, so in my opinion, I think him staying another year would have done us no good.

RJ King 6 years, 9 months ago

A large part of the team's success came from flying under the radar with a chip on their shoulders. Had Selby stayed, our preseason ranking would have been much higher - undermining a scrappy underdog mentality and sense of urgency that was frequently on display.

I'm neutral on Selby as a person, and as a hypothetical player on this year's team. But it's likely his presence would've resulted in much greater expectations, yet a similar win-loss record and final ranking. I'll take a bunch of close-knit underachievers any day.

Orangedog87 6 years, 9 months ago

Check out what T Reed had to say about Selby in his book. That is pretty interesting expecially since it comes from a team member.

SoCalAlum 6 years, 9 months ago

First of all, I believe we will all agree with TK that Coach Self deserves Coach of the Year (no need to apologize for being a "homer" here) and that this season will rank among his finest when its all done.

But to characterize Calipari as a "magnificent coach"? It's early here on the west coast but I know this comment is going to draw massive incoming fire and IMO, rightfully so. The dribble-drive offense he runs was not his invention (it was Vance Walberg's) - I guess Coach Cal deserves credit for recognizing that it is the perfect offense to pander to the one-and-dones he collects annually. Oh yes, there are those two vacated Final Fours...that's distinctive, not magnificent.

As for Boeheim's "brilliance" - he's been unaware of: (1) a sexual predator - allegedly - on his staff and among his closest friends for 30 years; and (2) a ten year period of - allegedly - rampant drug violations among his players, including periods - allegedly - when ineligible players played. It's possible that the 2003 NC could be vacated because of their play.

Kansas is fortunate to have a legacy of great coaches from inception to present. Congratulations to Coach Self - as an alum, I'm proud to have him at the helm of the most storied program in history.

actorman 6 years, 9 months ago

If we were talking about character flaws or lack of class, you would be spot on, SoCalAlum. But what on earth do vacated Final Fours, not recognizing a sexual predator, and not knowing players are on drugs have to do with how good a coach is??? In fact, one could argue that someone who could coach a team to consistent success while his players were using drugs had done a good job to overcome that.

Whether or not Calipari is a jerk, or corrupt, or classless, it's hard to logically argue against him being a magnificent coach. And the same goes for Boeheim, who has done a tremendous job at Syracuse.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 9 months ago

Interesting that a team as young as UK is still more experienced than KU.

Alohahawk 6 years, 9 months ago

Precisely my thought as well. Just proves how inexperienced KU is/was. And even more, how players who stay the distance learn so much under Coach Self's tutelage. Adds that much more credence/validity to the remarkable job he, and his assistants, have done with this year's team.

Also agree with SoCalAlum's Cal Lie Pari "not magnificent" comment. What makes having to vacate games so "Magnificent" about him?

As for his ability to win so many games, imagine what most coaches, especially Coach Self, would accomplish with the same players UK had this season. If UK had started the year with KU's players, and had still been playing in the much easier SEC, I'd bet Cal Lie Pari would have found a way to lose half or more of his games.

To add my own two cents, regarding Cal Lie Pari's so called ability to get players to the next level. If a player enters college with 5 star abilities, wouldn't he be expected to end up in the NBA? It would be a surprise if those same players didn't do so. In Hawaii taking credit for something you don't deserve is called "Shibai". IMHO, Cal Lie Pari is full of shibai! He deserves very little of what he is credited with, yet takes credit for everything.

actorman 6 years, 9 months ago

I usually agree with you, Aloha, but I disagree with you on this one. I think it takes a lot of talent to take a bunch of star players and meld them into a team -- especially as quickly as he consistently does it. And he hasn't always had the level of talent that he has now. Regardless of how he got his players and whether the Final Four was vacated later, he did a tremendous job of coaching the UMass team to the Final Four.

I can understand why people don't like him as a person and think he's corrupt, but as I said above, I don't understand why people equate that with how good a coach he is.

FoCoCoHawk 6 years, 9 months ago

Surely we can muster up some sort of award for Angel Morris.

I know TRob probably could. It's all in her name.

Ted Toulouse 6 years, 9 months ago

Calipari "doesn't get the credit he deserves" because he's a cheater. Period.

Yes, he has proven that he can put together successful runs with full line-up changes every year. But his shady methods and track record are egregious and I feel sorry for the schools that have had to endure the punishment for HIS mistakes while he moves on scot-free. It’s only a matter of time before we hear these things come from UK.

Kudos to Self and to the team. To the winners go the spoils - let's make some noise!!!

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 9 months ago

The media likes to invent and spin incidents that serve their need to increase interest in their articles/publications. Sometimes, the original incident just gets imbelished but there was some basis for controversy,In Calipari's case, facts are facts and perception is close to reality. Boeheim does have some questionable scenarios that may be addressed in the public forums someday. Plenty of other coaches in several sports have become victims and in some cases are totally guilty. Other coaches will prove the whole bad karma theory.

Bill Self is a Division 1 men's basketball coach who is scrutinized on many levels and is responsible for his actions on and off the court. I'm not naive enough to think that this man is a saint. He knows right from wrong and makes us proud as Jayhawk fans to believe in him and his integrity. I'm sure most all of us agree that someone would have to contrive some outrageous scenario of wrongdoing in order for him to lose this status among his peers. I have confidence that we will never have to witness any attempt to slur his name and reputation.

The worst offenses that I think he is guilty of is operating a motor vehicle inside a public building and slapping Tyshawn on the cheek during Senior Night. I'll settle for those misdeamenors, won't you?

Jim Johnson 6 years, 9 months ago

The schedule they played this year helped this team as much as anything. It shows that, unlike football, a loss at the beginning of a season playing a good team does not hurt and would probably have helped in the past.

reber5000 6 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. Those losses at the Beginning of the season REALLY helped us.. Especially the one against Davidson after an emotional Win over #2...

reber5000 6 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. Those losses at the Beginning of the season REALLY helped us.. Especially the one against Davidson after an emotional Win over #2...

reber5000 6 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. Those losses at the Beginning of the season REALLY helped us.. Especially the one against Davidson after an emotional Win over #2...

reber5000 6 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. Those losses at the Beginning of the season REALLY helped us.. Especially the one against Davidson after an emotional Win over #2...

reber5000 6 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. Those losses at the Beginning of the season REALLY helped us.. Especially the one against Davidson after an emotional Win over #2...

reber5000 6 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. Those losses at the Beginning of the season REALLY helped us.. Especially the one against Davidson after an emotional Win over #2...

reber5000 6 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. Those losses at the Beginning of the season REALLY helped us.. Especially the one against Davidson after an emotional Win over #2...

Mike Kendall 6 years, 9 months ago

Wow! Why don't you say that one more time!!!!!!!!!!!

KGphoto 6 years, 9 months ago

7! Wow! Just shy of Bill Self and KU's remarkable achievement of 8 str8. Quite an accomplishment. Congratulations.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 9 months ago

reber5000 was addressing all seven time zones that span the collective USA :)

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 9 months ago

Hey - one more and he can cover all the planets! Two more if you're still calling Pluto a planet.

Vernon Riggs 6 years, 9 months ago

Except there are only six time zones in the USA

Steve Gantz 6 years, 9 months ago

There's help for stutterers you know :)

Ron Prichard 6 years, 9 months ago

...and we have a new record!!! Way to stay consistent, reber!! :)

Steve Gantz 6 years, 9 months ago

I always wondered what the St stood for!

actorman 6 years, 9 months ago

Don't you just hate that short-term memory loss?

Ben Simonett 6 years, 9 months ago

"Compare Self’s roster, in terms of game experience within the program and hype coming out of high school"

Did Keegan just stealthily admit that recruiting rankings actually mean something?

Didn't he try to make the exact opposite argument about a year ago?

Kevin Studer 6 years, 9 months ago

Seriously? A year ago? Have you never made contradictory statements or changed your position on something over the course of a year?

Kevin Studer 6 years, 9 months ago

Seriously? A year ago? Have you never made contradictory statements or changed your position on something over the course of a year?

KGphoto 6 years, 9 months ago

Please Keeg Party, don't go letting Calipari off the hook like that. People hate him because he cheats, not because he's colorful and candid. Nobody knows if he can really coach because the court is always tilted in his favor.

JayHok 6 years, 9 months ago

Googled a few of JC's fave things. Can't list all for Keegan---there's tons on this---- but heres a briefer. No mention by Keegan of Wes Anderson. No mention of UMass overload with agents. No mention of Memphis being told by the NCAA to not play Rose. No mention of an ineligible Eric Bledsoe--who is he?---playing a season at UK in John's first year at UK. A lot of chatter also about Demarcus Cousins being recruited by a so called 'non-contact' assistant at Memphis who follwowed John to Kentucky. The story says once John found out it would become a possible news story, he let the assistant go and he can't be contacted by the press for some reason. Bilal Batley (?) is this mystery JC infraction they can't get ahold of. A lot of buzz over the Anthony Davis recruitment. Two separate college coaches saying Davis asked for 150,000. Another article has high school sources saying Davis dad took 200,000 from a UK employee. There's tons of stuff on JC Keegan---it's all over the web---it has nothing to do with his colorful personality! Here's another article about Leon Rose (?). Says he was being recruited illegally by Bilal Batley at Kentucky but no more after John got rid of Batley. Here's another article about John paying Lebron James cash to visit Lexington to make sure JC's image had a $ stamp to it in his first year. It talks about the JCness of JC's players having access to a shoe contract businessman like Lebron. Another article talks about John constantly telling his players to call NBA stars like Derrick Rose for advice and the implicit problem with that considering Rose has an agent with no ties to Kentucky as well as the fact that Rose cheated on his SAT---why would John have the kids call someone who did that to Memphis' dream season and John's staff? So many articles on this, here's two more. One talks about Rose cheating on his SAT and when John knew about it. Another talks about another star on that 2008 team, Dozier, and his academic record to get into school--his home state school wouldn't take him apparently because of a improbable increase in his SAT score. Here's one more discussing UK's initial GPA when JC arrived. 1.83. He told the press, give his staff time to get it up. In the article the premise is, what are the UK players really taking in their first semester since a lot will be gone in March. Sure the GPA has gone up when the major is NBA. Here's an article about Gilchrist being recruited by John during a no-contact time, sneaking into an early morning practice set up by the high school coach by John. This John visit according to the article made Gilchrist's team ineligible for state his JR season but it allowed JC first contact with Gilchrist. No mention of JC predicting NCAA wont exist in 4 years. No mention of JC paying Memphis fans cash for vacated season. Keegan, there's so much to this JC story, I haven't even touched 10% of this. This paragraph is only 10% of why college fans hate him!

Sf Boggsz 6 years, 9 months ago

But but but I thought Frank Haith was the front runner for coach of the year? Speak with the Pukes and Haith is a slam dunk for NCOY. Not to be a negative nancy, but we're going to get screwed by the Calipari/Kentucky hype machine ie., ESPN with the NPOY. Robinson already lost out to Davis for the Sporting News player of the year.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 9 months ago

Two of the biggest slimeball coaches this side of Jim Calhoun and you praise them??!!

Keegs, come on, buddy, how can you look yourself in the mirror in the morning just because these two cheating jerks give you easy copy!!??

jayhawkinATL 6 years, 9 months ago

I assume you're talking about Calipari and Boeheim.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 9 months ago

What ever do you mean, Calhoun? Isn't it normal for 5 star recruits to choose a school they have never visited or even been recruited by until the last minute?

Tony Bandle 6 years, 9 months ago

So much for a "rebuilding" year. I guess we were a season too early.

With Perry E. Jammer, BenMac, Cool Hand Lucas, Chuckie, Zach the Knife, Unreal Anrio and, hopefully. Jakkar of All Trades as first time players coupled with little-used The World According to Tharpe and Marvelous Merv, Coach Self will have immense yet untested talent on over half his roster.

The key will be how Jeff, Travis, Elijah and Kevin steady the boat during the growing pains.

My guess for next season...Jeff, Travis, Perry, Elijah, BenMac to start with Kevin, Charles, Jamari/Jakkar, Naadir and Anrio first off the bench

Vernon Riggs 6 years, 9 months ago

Counting scholarships you have one too many players. If you add Jakkar, you lose Marv or someone else...

WilburNether 6 years, 9 months ago

Does the AP identify who voted in its Big 12 Coach of the Year poll, and how they voted? It would be interesting to see who the morons are who voted for Haith over Self.

Steve Gantz 6 years, 9 months ago

Sorry I know others might not like this, but there's some logic for voting for Haith. I'm not saying he deserved it necessarily, but he did some amazing things including coming within a couple of iffy calls of sweeping us. Calling them morons for having a defendable opinion? A little bit of overkill.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 9 months ago

"but he did some amazing things including coming within a couple of iffy calls of sweeping us."

It would be more accurate to say that if not for some really bad calls, KU would have swept MU.

Steve Gantz 6 years, 9 months ago

I don't know if that's "more accurate", but it is a valid point. In reality both teams choked away nice leads and deserved to lose.

REHawk 6 years, 9 months ago

Phenominal. I think that is the word to define this season's success. Speaks clearly to the powers and expertise of the Jayhawk training/coaching staff. Andrea Hudy and her group, Bill Self and his group have worked marvels with this clache of players who have stayed the course, determined and focused to maintain winning ways for Kansas Basketball. Comparison among the top teams in the nation, delineating the distribution of 5-star recruits and previous minutes of experience, presents a vividly defined portrait of the strength of Jayhawk hoops. Let's trust that all future recruits will enter The Phog with similar iron will and championship vision. Bill Self and Co. seem to bear the innate talent and workaholic manner to unearth and plug the proper potential into their winning system. Proof that winning can be done without the constant display of McDonald's AA talent. The Jayhawk Nation is blessed with super people, both on the hardwood and on the sidelines.

actorman 6 years, 9 months ago

All major awards are determined based on the regular season, whether it be the Heisman Trophy, the Naismith Award, MVP awards in professional sports, etc. They have separate awards for MVP of the regionals and MVP of the Final Four (although admittedly no separate coaching award).

Picking a national COY before the tournament might be ridiculous (I can see arguments both ways), but there's no reason it should be different than any other similar type of award.

jgkojak 6 years, 9 months ago

I hope HCBS learns something from this season - that the carrot-dangle is not always the only way to motivate - you do have to let some guys simply play through their mistakes.

FreddyinLA 6 years, 9 months ago

Before the internet, The Sporting News was the place to go to get hard to find sport statistics on a weekly basis. Don’t quite know how they are surviving in this day and age.

nwhawk 6 years, 9 months ago

I really don't understand the bashing of Frank Haith and the utter shock at why he would be considered for Big12 and national coach of the year. Here's a guy that most people thought couldn't coach his way out of a box. He loses an impact starter before the season even starts, takes a rag-tag bunch of 3 star players ranked 25th in the preseason polls, and now has them sitting in the top 5. This year's Missouri team is night and day compared to last year. Give the guy some credit. Even Bill Self voted for Haith. Show some class and sportsmanship!

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 9 months ago

Let me ask you the following question: what happens if MU does not lose Bowers? Likely they play a more traditional lineup and do not have nearly the success they did. Haith lucked out into a gimmick system that presents a match up problem for most opponents. It is not that dissimilar to the 40 minutes of hell that had a great success when introduced by Richardson. At the beginning, team did not know how to play against that system, but once they figured it out, the system did not work that well any more. Anderson tried for years to make it work and he won how many titles? That is right, zero. Haith had the “perfect storm” this season; he had a new system and the players to run it. Once teams figure out how to play against this system, it will not work as well as it did this season. Also, the chance of having the players he had this year is pretty slim. Coming to MU, Haith’s record was way below average and this season, in my opinion, is an outlier. I will guess that even in a much weaker conference, MU will not do nearly as well next season. In the end, with an experience team, MU lost the conference by 2 games to KU. KU lost 6 players, all of whom are getting paid to play…how many teams have lost that much talent before and come back to be win the conference and likely get a number 1 seed? Not many. That makes Self and not Haith the Coach of the Year.

KGphoto 6 years, 9 months ago

Maybe it's because he knows some of his Miami players got paid.

Maybe it's because that "rag-tag" bunch of 3 stars aren't rag tag at all. Phil Pressey and Ricardo Ratliffe are both 4 star guys, and the majority of the starting lineup are seniors. Sr., Sr., Sr., Jr., So., Sr. These guys have been steadily improving and are now polished players just in time for Haith to get the credit.

We'll see what happens next year when he has to rebuild. They are going to stink out loud.

Jonathan Allison 6 years, 9 months ago

I always suspected it, but never could quite tell for sure, but I think that you're right. I think that Missouri did start 6 players against us in Allen Fieldhouse.

KGphoto 6 years, 9 months ago

lol. I knew I shouldn't have included Matt Pressey. Look at that roster though. There are only 3 guys who are not seniors. They only suit up 10 guys and 7 are graduating... er.. moving on. And their best recruit next year has the same grade as Zach Peters. They are done.

Jonathan Allison 6 years, 9 months ago

I knew what you meant.

Phil Pressey is the only underclassmen who really played. Matt Pressey is a senior scholarship PG coming off the bench (a great asset for any team).

Ryan Shelton 6 years, 9 months ago

Wasn't Elijah Johnson a McDonalds All-Star? Maybe I'm pulling a Clemens "misremembering" moment, but I have a vivid memory of him flying high and dunking during the game. Somebody help me out please.

Kye Clark 6 years, 9 months ago

Not a McD's All-American. He was a five star recruit, and no doubt participated in some high school All-Star games. If I'm remembering right, he made note for rocking his KU gear in the Derby Classic all-star game in Louisville, and it was there that he had his infamous 360 between the legs dunk.

Steve Gantz 6 years, 9 months ago

Why was it "infamous"? I'm not aware of the play but did it go bad or something?

Rock Chalk 6 years, 9 months ago

I ran across this on my Google homepage. Apologies if you've already discussed it. Thought you may find it interesting.

"If they want to count championships from 1922 and 1923, then that's fine," Missouri senior guard Kim English said. "I respect Kansas basketball to the fullest. I respect their players, respect their coaches big time.

"I just hate their fans. I hate them. Their fans kind of have a false sense of reality about what Kansas basketball is. It's not Kentucky. It's not UCLA."

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2012/03/06/unique-meaning-championship-defined-college-basketball/

Orangedog87 6 years, 9 months ago

Yes and we are darn glad we are not UCLA or Kentucky BB...

JayHok 6 years, 9 months ago

Using all search engines available on this. Lets see here if we were Kentucky then we'd have to thank Kansas for the beginning of 'our' tradition with a native Kansan and Kansas graduate named Adolph Rupp. And thank Larry Brown for having John Calipari on staff for his first ever basketball job in Allen Fieldhouse.

Searched UCLA. 200 or so all-time victories behind Kansas.

Has Kim English been given the key to the meth lab again.

Kye Clark 6 years, 9 months ago

Kim English is rapidly becoming maybe the biggest pretentious douche in college basketball. First, where does any fan, coach, or player from Mizery get off talking about basketball tradition? That's rich. He chose a school that has been to no Final Fours, and presumes to lecture KU fans about our tradition? Get bent Kimmy. You've spent four year's being our B****, get to the conference championship game if you can, and then BOHICA.

And I won't presume to speak for everybody, but this KU fan hates you right back, Kimmy.

Orangedog87 6 years, 9 months ago

"where does any fan, coach or player from Mizery get off talking about BB tradition" ...that is exactly the point ...they can only talk about it .....

I dont hate Kim English but I dont care that he hates me....puts me in a great group - fan of the third most winningest college BB program

Kentucky was 1 and UCLA 8.

Didnt see Missouri on the list of the top 20 most winningest college BB programs

Kim, best wishes to you. I hope you get drafted by an NBA program with a lot of tradition so you can find out how great that is.......

JayHok 6 years, 9 months ago

This is akin to Kim English tweeting that the inventor of basketball is buried in Columbia, Missouri.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 9 months ago

Let's see. When is the last time UK and UCLA won championships? UCLA - 1995, that is 17 years ago. Kentucky - 1998, that is 14 year ago. KU - 2008, that is 4 years ago. UCLA has been irrelevant now for several years and right now in free fall towards oblivion. Kentucky started doing better lately, only after the squid was hired. However, many of those wins will be vacated as soon as the squid jumps ship and Kentucky goes on probation. KU has had continued success in as far back as I can remember. In short, when it comes to basketball traditions, Kimmie does not know his a_s_s from a hole in the ground. There is a saying that goes: "It's better to not say anything and let people think you are a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt." Obviously Kimmie is not smart enough to know better.

hawkcat 6 years, 9 months ago

Calipari is a great coach and recruiter.

Ludwig Supraphonic 6 years, 9 months ago

"Iowa ST. put a real @ss beating on KU and coach Fred out coached Bill right out of the building. Total embarrassment of Self as a coach. Self recruited Tharpe, guess that doesn't surprise us much as he got Morningstar and Reed who were a joke as Tharpe is. Self doesn't know the much when recruiting, must be a brain short."

January 31, 2012

Thought you might want to reminisce. Clearly, you know gud coaching and recruitin'. Kind of reminds me of the witticisms Jayhawkinnebr posted.

Orangedog87 6 years, 9 months ago

Reed and Morningstar won 4 Big 12 Championships ....and one National Championship.

When did ISU win a BIG12 BB Championship? When did ISU win a National BB Championship?....

I like Hoiberg and I think he is a good coach which helps the Big12, but wasnt he on the Timberwolfs staff.....and thus had great access to MN recruits like Royce?

HCBS knows nothing about recruiting ....lets examine TRob...a player not highly recruited by big programs like ISU but who started only one year and is one of two POY candidates in the year that he started .....

HCBS may be brain short according to you but I wil take him because he is a winner year after year.....

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 9 months ago

Morningstar red-shirted the year KU won the National Championship. I am not sure if red-shirts are considered to be officially part of the team

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