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Originally published June 29, 2012 at 05:16p.m., updated June 29, 2012 at 09:41p.m.

Prosecutor alleges KU basketball players got pot from dealer

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— A Kansas man at the center of a large-scale marijuana case allegedly supplied the drug to multiple players from the 2010-11 Kansas University men’s basketball team, a federal prosecutor said.

The Kansas City Star reported Friday that an assistant U.S. attorney made the claim during a June 18 detention hearing for Samuel Villeareal III.

The 32-year-old from Overland Park was among numerous defendants charged June 11 with a scheme to distribute more than 2,000 pounds of marijuana in Johnson and Douglas counties.

A court transcript obtained by The Star shows the prosecutor, Terra Moorhead, claimed during the hearing that Villeareal supplied pot to multiple members of the Jayhawks’ squad.

Jonathan Bortnick, Villeareal’s defense attorney, told the Journal-World Friday, “I have no comment other than I’m aware that during the detention hearing that was brought up.”

Jim Cross, spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office, said in an email to the AP that he could confirm that the federal prosecutor stated during a hearing “that the defendant sold marijuana to members of the KU basketball team from the 2010 and 2011 season.” Cross said he couldn’t provide additional information and that Moorhead would be unavailable for comment.

The AP’s attempts to reach Kansas coach Bill Self and associate athletic director Jim Marchiony were unsuccessful. Two players from the team contacted by The Star said they’d never heard of Villeareal, while two others refused to comment.

Morehead told a federal magistrate that prosecutors know who Villeareal was selling to because of text messages obtained from an iPhone seized from his home and from surveillance that was done throughout this investigation, The Star reported.

Morehead said the phone “became kind of a key component to this entire investigation.”

She also described what agents watching Villeareal observed.

“At one occasion law enforcement had Mr. Villeareal this basketball season at the Sprint Center sitting behind the KU basketball bench with a number of the players,” she said. “So we know that he had probably not only a personal relationship with them but a professional relationship as well.”

The 44-page complaint and supporting affidavit contain no information about Villeareal’s alleged connection to basketball players. Instead, the documents outline the extensive investigation that began in 2008 and included the use of court-approved interceptions of cell phone conversations between the alleged conspirators.

The detention hearing concluded with Judge James O’Hara ruling that Villeareal could be released on $25,000 bond but would have to reside at a halfway house until trial. His next hearing is July 30.

Villeareal also was ordered to have no contact with any witnesses or co-defendants, including any of his alleged marijuana customers.

Morehead said: “He obviously knows who those are, and so do we because we have a cellphone and have all of that documentation. And again, we will be monitoring that.”

Kansas University’s internal drug-testing policy requires all freshman or new transfer student athletes to take a drug test “within a reasonable amount of time” after arriving on campus. All teams that qualify for post-season play also may be subject to testing.

The university also conducts unannounced, random testing during the year, according to the policy. Athletes who test positive are required to undergo counseling and are subjected to more frequent testing. The policy does not call for suspension from game competition until after a third positive test.

Villeareal was charged June 11 with 24 other people in Douglas County and Johnson County who face conspiracy charges. Federal authorities accuse the defendants of conspiring to distribute and possession with intent to distribute 1,000 kilograms or more of high-grade marijuana in the area. It was part of a four-year investigation that included wire taps authorized by U.S. District Judge Carlos Murguia.

U.S. Attorney Barry Grissom’s office has listed eight charged Lawrence residents in the group as Los Rovell Dahda, 30; Roosevelt Rico Dahda, 30; Sadie Jolynn Brown, 25; David James Essman, 35; Mark Lee Romero, 31; Daniel Mark Sieber, 31; Chad Eugene Bauman, 33; and Carey Lynn Willming, 36. If convicted, the defendants face 10 years to life in federal prison and a fine of up to $10 million. Bauman and Willming were owners of Ultimate Tan, 2449 Iowa, that was raided June 13, the same day officers made several arrests in the case.

Villeareal is listed as an Overland Park resident.

Comments

Maracas 7 years, 4 months ago

Wow, basketball players get high. Stop the presses.

Michael Pannacciulli 7 years, 4 months ago

Uhh...ok? Any insight as to what this will all amount to now?

kujayhawk 7 years, 4 months ago

No, it's supposedly random and pot doesn't stay in your system forever. I played DI ball and about 2/3 of our team my freshman year smoked pot all the time. No one ever tested positive. I never understood it and it was a school in a bcs conference (not KU). Anyway, it might be why EJ and TT were suspended to start the year.

DannyBartlett 7 years, 4 months ago

I work with people that have alcohol and drug addiction and it will stay in your system for four to six weeks. I depends on how much you smoke and how often you smoke it. No less then four weeks and no more then six for the most part. I don't agree with the players smoking it, but with my experience, I don't see at all how it would affect there game. After about six hours or so, you feel normal and there should be no after affects.

beware0fph0g 7 years, 4 months ago

Wrong. THC is fat soluble. The less fatty cells in your body, the shorter amount of time the THC remains. These guys are sitting at <10% body fat, and have super high metabolisms. If they aren't smoking nightly, they could purge their systems of any sign of marijuana in a matter of days.

THC can stay in your system up to six weeks...but that is purely for people that have a higher body fat %, lower metabolism, don't eat well, don't exercise, and smoke often.

Steve Kubler 7 years, 4 months ago

I do not know much, but from past history if HCBS knew of a player using drugs that player would be in a world of hurt. Nor could I see him being lax on testing.

kesmithstl1 7 years, 4 months ago

that's not what concerns me. If they can prove the players were receiving a service in exchange for tickets, that is a problem. See Ohio St. football.

kujayhawk 7 years, 4 months ago

We will have to forfeit our UNI and VCU games.

phoggedin 7 years, 4 months ago

The Star's reporting of this issue seems a bit over the top. The accompanying editorial says it will "cripple" the KU program. Really?

As far as I can tell, no players have been arrested, and no players are targets of the investigation. Or am I wrong about that?

Evan Ridenour 7 years, 4 months ago

The NCAA doesn't even take the issue seriously. Schools are basically allowed to regulate it anyway they wish as long as they handle punishment consistently within the athletic program.

There was an article regarding this problem recently on ESPN.

Link: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8000546/sec-lenient-discipline-marijuana-investigation-says

Jayhawk_4_Life 7 years, 4 months ago

multiple SEC schools and their football teams got in trouble with the same sort of stuff.....no penalties that I'm aware of.

CardHawkFan 7 years, 4 months ago

So let's see college kids buying pot...hmmm. Not saying its right, but it happens. No players ever tested positive at least on record and my guess is this guy didn't keep detailed receipt records. Unless there is hard evidence other than hearsay, then give me a break. Tait starts covering this story, then I will buy in that its a big deal!

actorman 7 years, 4 months ago

Who says they were buying it? I wouldn't be surprised if KU players were getting supplied with it for free.

That being said, it's ridiculous that pot smoking is still an issue in this country. How many freaking years does it have to remain illegal?

Cameron Cederlind 7 years, 4 months ago

I really doubt they were buying it. Dealer comes in and gets to hang out with the KU Basketball team for a few hours, gives them some weed and smokes them up. Sounds like a fair trade.

On another note, this is just like underage drinking, it happens.

Jayhawk_4_Life 7 years, 4 months ago

the thing is, it's not as bad as underage drinking.

Michael Thorp 7 years, 4 months ago

The feds have the dealer's IPhone which apparently has texts on it to and from his customers.

jayhawkliz 7 years, 4 months ago

Remember player suspensions over the last couple of years. I hate when our school has this type of thing reported. I hope it is not true.

phoggedin 7 years, 4 months ago

We really don't know whether this is bad news at all. It's mildly embarrassing, yes, but no players appear to be targeted in this. Besides, we've had player suspensions, which is the typical punishment for this sort of thing. If multiple players were arrested and accused of distributing the drug, that would be much, much worse.

ahpersecoachingexperience 7 years, 4 months ago

I'm just as shocked as most of you. When I found out some basketball players were smoking weed I almost passed out.

What are we going to find out next? That the African American Studies or Sports Science major most of them choose isn't the toughest curriculum on the hill, they skip class, play a lot of video games, and sometimes have random unprotected sex with nieve girls that only like them because they are on the basketball team. When this starts happening please let me know!

Robert Rauktis 7 years, 4 months ago

If you're going profound in public...learn to spell.

"Naive."

skragglydoo 7 years, 4 months ago

"..." wasn't the correct punctuation. Shut up.

XEPCT 7 years, 4 months ago

I thought it was "naїve;" I guess I'm old-fashioned.

Andrew Ralls 7 years, 4 months ago

This might have been big news sixty years ago.

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

Your assertion is flatly contradicted by the number of responses in this thread. :-)

phoggedin 7 years, 4 months ago

The defendant is not spewing accusations of any kind. The prosecutor said that among the defendant's customers are multiple KU basketball players. But as far as I can tell, the players are not the subject of the investigation. They're going after multiple distributors. I doubt the U.S. attorney is inclined to spend his time prosecuting a few small-time buyers. The only worry might be that he would pursue KU basketball players because of their prominence in the community. But if he had hard evidence of purchases, my guess is that he would have charged them by now. Any lawyers care to weigh in on this?

Purposive 7 years, 4 months ago

"Federal authorities accuse the defendants of conspiring to distribute...high-grade marijuana"

I'm glad to hear our boys only smoke the good ish.

lawdog 7 years, 4 months ago

"Yeah well we're going to believe him because of his credibility".....besides most of us coulld careless.

stm62 7 years, 4 months ago

 Don't know if the players are innocent or guilty of the accusations.  But, the players know the truth and IF they did it, lets thank them for embarrassing KU, again.

actorman 7 years, 4 months ago

Give me a friggin' break!!! There's NOTHING embarrassing about some college students smoking pot, and I would bet you that at least half of all college basketball players smoke it.

waywardJay 7 years, 4 months ago

Half.... Are you figuring in the Ivies in this... because If you are figuring the Ivies in the drops it to about 75 percent... If I recall correctly... Didn't Mario and Brandon get caught with Weed right before the draft ?

Tad Shurtz 7 years, 4 months ago

+1. Simply chum for KSU/MU fans in the KC area to drive readership. Embarrassment of a newspaper.

irvan moore 7 years, 4 months ago

i don't think it's unusual for kids to smoke pot

Budgets_Smudgets 7 years, 4 months ago

Guess that means Clinton - Bush - Obama can't play for us.

Thomas Matlock 7 years, 4 months ago

I would not be surprised if we ended up with 'twin' allegations. :-/

phoggedin 7 years, 4 months ago

Maybe. Look at those who have been suspended in the recent past for other possibilities. But I think the U.S. attorney is much more concerned about drug dealers than small-time customers.

Jayhawk_4_Life 7 years, 4 months ago

why the hell are you calling out our past players? like you know anything about them and their personal lives...you're a joke.

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

Board rats are saying this is not a big issue.

Of course it is.

People keep confusing their values about pot with the strategic impact of scandal on recruiting.

Slumping recruiting in recent years appears to correlate strongly with scandals in recent years. It doesn't matter a damn what one's values are on pot. It doesn't matter a damn whether the issue involved pot, or some other illegal activity. This kind of issue, even if it were to stop here, which it seems unlikely to do, is all the ammo for recruiters from other programs need for negative recruiting for the next couple of months.

The story suggests a possible low life involved with drugs is reputedly naming names that include KU players from 2010-11.

This season will be 2012-13.

Some of the players named from 2010-2011 could still be on this coming season's roster.

We have learned the hard way what scandals do to recruiting.

Self was finally getting out from under the black cloud of KU scandals he had no role in and starting to recruit more like he did up till 4 years ago, or so.

We don't want Self recruiting uphill for another two months, or two years.

There seems little chance this story will stop where it is.

Damage control...report to the bridge at once.

phoggedin 7 years, 4 months ago

It's really only an issue if the goal of the prosecutors is to charge KU players. That's clearly not the purpose of the investigation. It's possible that the U.S. attorney will want to make an example of KU players and will want to get the defendant to testify against KU players. If that happens and KU players are charged or otherwise become the focus of the investigation, then this story becomes a much, much bigger deal. But there's no evidence to that effect yet. In fact, prosecutors typically get defendants to testify against other drug dealers who are higher up the distribution food chain, not go down to the end users.

It's not clear that this will become a big scandal (despite the KC Star's over-the-top efforts), at least with what we know so far.

Andrew Ralls 7 years, 4 months ago

Where's the thumbs down button? A recruit sees us going to the national championship game, but will turn us down because some older players smoked weed? That is asinine.

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

Tell me you are smarter than this. Tell me you are joking here.

Here is how recruiting apparently works. There are two kinds of recruits.

Type A: kids from families that want their kids in a place that tries to do it the right way.

Type B: kids from families that don't care where the kid goes, so long as he gets the most incentives.

We could create a few more classifications for the sake of broader accuracy, but regarding the topic of negative recruiting, these two are sufficient.

If we are to believe CBernie, Sheahon and Bill, KU has very little chance for Type B...ever.

That leaves Type A. Type A players of the 4-5 star type are apparently a small minority and they are choosing among handful of top programs.

When the Type A players talk things over with their families, they are looking for reasons to rule out programs to get down to one to sign with. Scandals, even small ones like this one, become reasons to drop a school from the lists in the minds of the parents, if not in the players' minds.

But it does not stop there.

The players associate with Type A and Type B players in AAU and in the meat market tournaments. The negative recruiting probably goes on as a gossip campaign. Type A programs are certainly not above tooting their own lack of scandals and Type B programs are actively trying to spread gossip. Every influential coach with a program that has a scandal generates many more potential recruiting defections worth having than would occur at lesser programs courting lesser talent. Take down a major program with gossip even for a season, and suddenly there are 3-5 more 4-5 recruits playing the field and searching for a top do-it-the-right-way program. But by definition, there are not necessarily 3-5 more open slots at top do-it-the-right-way programs. So: the top recruits, after trying for those top programs, then settle for next best.

The above is the dynamic that costs KU players.

The driver can be a pot arrest, and rumors of connections to KU players. It can be rumors of a coach jumping. It can be rumors of adverse realignment. It can be rumors of practically anything, so long as there is some kind of tiny empirical hook to hang the rumors on.

D1 basketball at the top level of do-it-the-right-way schools is a very small town. And the small town is surrounded by a lot other sleazy small towns that feel like they are in a zero sum game with it.

I wish things were different. I wish the NCAA put all the Type B programs going after Type B players in the penalty box for five years, and forced their chancellors to go hire "right way" guys, but even Candide would not expect that to happen. Unless KU wants to join "the wrong way" guys, and start slinging the mud and under the table incentives, then scandals matter.

If you don't get this, then you probably wonder why you are often on the outside looking in in life.

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

Note: let me correct something above.

Strike: The above is the dynamic that costs KU players.

Replace with: The above appears to be the dynamic that costs KU some players.

ryanminor 7 years, 4 months ago

Your old and confused with today's society! What if a highly recruited kid is from a state where pot use is not prosecuted and both him and his family self medicate. This will probably help recruiting now kids on the east coast know that we have high grade weedin lawerence! Now only if they knew we don't ride horses every day! As for using it against us in the recruits are type A where there parents might worry, really every college has drug problems every high school has drug problems! This isn't a scandle where one team mate forces another to smoke pot and eat him self to death! Your over analysis of every issue is old and tireing and most likely has a negative effect on recrruiting!

actorman 7 years, 4 months ago

Your arguments aren't necessarily wrong, ryanminor, but apparently you've indulged in the ganja some yourself, as seems fairly evident from your lack of skills in basic English ...

actorman 7 years, 4 months ago

Jaybate, I can't deny that you make some good points, but I think the truth is somewhere between your comments and my initial reaction.

I'll admit that it could hurt with some families, however I think it's not likely to cause major problems. I think most people are pretty realistic about pot-smoking these days.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 4 months ago

JB: Your statement "People keep confusing their values about pot with the strategic impact of scandal on recruiting."

That wipes out 90% of the posts. Folks simply dismiss it because they don't see pot as a big deal. That's short-sighted.

It may be a big deal if you're sending your son somewhere to play hoops, which on the micro level, is how it impacts recruiting. Mom in New Jersey sending her son halfway across the country to smoke pot?

On the big picture level, it is a black eye .. something that is not a positive. As you said .. ammo for our opponents. Not a story you'll see at Duke. But a story you might see many other places. But you just haven't.

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for the assist and fine tuning.

waywardJay 7 years, 4 months ago

And yet, it happens at Duke also. And North Carolina. And Syracuse.

My values on Pot,aside. John Wooden didn't sit Bill Walton because he toked, and of course he knew, and that was in a far less Progressive times. Did it hurt UCLA recruiting... Oh wait they were buying players anyway..... OOPS....

You are right, any news is bad news, but realistically, Do you think that is going to Harm us when the alternatives are clearly so Rotten.... for most it's Bill, John, Mike, JIm, Tom, or Roy.... if your not good enough for any of the above, You just want to go somewhere you can get the max out of your 4 years and hope for an NBA contract, realistically. I believe there has been nasty rumors cycled about ALL of these coaches.... and they are still the tops... no matter the mudslinging, no matter the negativity.

Jeremy Bolinger 7 years, 4 months ago

I get your point, but you are naive to think this doesn't happen at Kentucky, Carolina, Arizona, etc........ I don't think we have much to worry about when it comes to negative recruiting. Our apr, win/loss record, home court, tradition, and countless other things will make up for Coach Jo Shmo saying dont go to KU because they smoke pot there.

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

You are a respected member of this community, so I am glad you weighed in. But I would ask you to at least consider my post above to aralls. It gives some specificity to the problem created.

adamjhwkfan 7 years, 4 months ago

JB, I've been around these boards for a while, and while I may not post much, it doesn't mean I'm not reading what is being said. You have a lot of insight into a lot of different going-on's at KU, but for this you are off-base and showing your age.

Look at the world around you. We are living in a time when people are starting to realize that the prohibition against pot is a backwards-thinking policy. Three states have pretty much decriminalized it, Chicago, NY, and others have decided not to waste taxpayer money going after people with small amounts, and there is medical research that shows it helps people overcome all kinds of issues.

This whole story is for the Kansas "red" conservatives to say "oh my god the sky is falling". There isn't going to be any effect to recruiting. Most of the kids come from poorer backgrounds where drug use is prevalent. You think their parents are going to care about some pot? And for those that in those more "well off" areas, re-read what I posted before about the acceptance happening across America. For the first time ever there are more people in favor of decriminalization than not.

machinegun 7 years, 4 months ago

I laughed at the suggestion that Coach Self has been having trouble recruiting his guys. We are not recruiting choir boys to sing on Sunday. We are not recruiting guys who have an obligation to go on a two-year evangelical mission to Ethiopia.

This particular issue will not affect recruiting. What it has done is intensify the level of hypocrisy that already exists. Just read some of these comments.

Winning attracts the best players. Eight Big 12 championships in a row attracts the best players. But players (and parents) want to talk about playing time. The best players want to get to the NBA as fast as possible. You see playing time and NBA go together. Coach Self's refusal to discuss playing time is the ammo that coaches from other schools use against us.

Redlandsjhawk 7 years, 4 months ago

We may all say "no big deal" but can anyone say their heart didn't sink a little when they first read the headline? Everyone here knows in their heart this is most unwelcome news.

knowsstory 7 years, 4 months ago

You need to get your facts straight before you start spouting off inaccuracies. The reason this was brought up was due to text message conversations that were seen on the defendants iphone which they obtained upon his arrest. He is not putting their names out their, in fact, its the exact opposite. Get your facts straight and quit sitting behind you computer screen calling someone a "low life" when you clearly don't have a clue about him, or the situation.

Brendan Connolly 7 years, 4 months ago

Yes, slumping recruiting. The top rated recruit two classes ago, number 3 class next season so far. Oh woe are we.

Adam Collins 7 years, 4 months ago

From the KC Star article:

"The Star attempted to contact all 16 members of the 2010-11 team and reached four players by phone Friday. Two, Jeff Withey and Royce Woolridge, said they didn’t know Villeareal.

“I’m sorry, I don’t know who that is. I haven’t heard of him,” said Woolridge, who transferred from KU and now plays for Washington State.

“I’ve never heard that name in my life,” Withey said. When asked if Villeareal was friends with others on the team, he said “I have no idea,” then directed further questions to KU’s sports information director.

The third player, Elijah Johnson, did not comment when asked if he knew Villeareal and said interviews must go through KU’s sports information director. A fourth, Jordan Juenemann declined to comment."

Looks like the journalist first asked about the guy, not mentioning the drugs. The fact that Withey and Woolridge said they didn't know him and Johnson and Juenemann declined to comment is interesting...

somebodynew 7 years, 4 months ago

From the other article, this appears related to the numerous arrests a couple weeks ago. I remember seeing this guys name in the indictment. And I think you will find he has been around longer than the 2010-2011 years.

The other thing is - this should not surprise anyone. As several people have said this isn't really news unless they are going to acuse them of dealing it - and that would have already happened and been played up big time in the media if it were going to happen. There is just going to be some embarrassed people.

actorman 7 years, 4 months ago

I think that's just a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Michael Sillman 7 years, 4 months ago

There's an even more shocking "Dog Bites Man" story on page 3 of the Star.

Ben Kane 7 years, 4 months ago

someone smoked pot in Lawrence... ho-hum.

Jace FitzGibbon 7 years, 4 months ago

lol this is no surprise. run into any of them on campus or out anywhere and you can smell it. tyshawn especially. big deal anyway. mario and shady smoked, everyone on the team smokes. who gives a damn really? is this 1950? no one cares that people smoke weed anymore.

Brett Glover 7 years, 4 months ago

Lighten up people it's just weed. With all the stupid non-educated anti-cannibis posts on here you'd think it was the state of kansas...

Oh wait.....

Brett Glover 7 years, 4 months ago

Sherron lit up by the jayhawk towers every night. It is probably why he was such a beast.

Kristen Downing 7 years, 4 months ago

Sherron is an overweight dude who has accomplished nothing after college. You can attribute over eating and lack of ambition directly to pot. Believe me I know, child of the sixties.

skragglydoo 7 years, 4 months ago

I'd take Sherron's 25 years over your 65 any day.

REHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

I'd like to see a comparison of Sherron's salary last season with that of other KU grads in his class. Accomplished nothing?

TheYetiSpeaks 7 years, 4 months ago

  1. No one cares which college students smoke pot....of which there are many.
  2. In a federal case against a pot dealer, no one cares who he supplied pot to....just that he did.
  3. I find it more than a little strange that a US district attorney would specifically out members of KU's basketball team as recipients of pot of what appears to be a ginormous pot distributing operation that surely distributed to a great deal of people. Sounds like a case of a prosecutor trying to make noise and be heard to further his own agenda.

shorttrees 7 years, 4 months ago

Finally someone who read the story--or at least comprehended what they read!

C'mon people, it's an assistant attorney putting this crap out for the media. They're just trying to blow things up as big as they can to make the case as newsworthy as possible. The attorney probably graduated from Mizzou.

kujhawker 7 years, 4 months ago

If I could give you more than 'one thumb up' I would! Right on!

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

TheYetiSpeaks with apparently acute denial.

First, you assert flatly no one cares.

Next, you note a US district attorney cares.

Finally, you explain exactly the dynamic--a US district attorney doing what he is paid to do, and perhaps trying make political hay with those voters that don't like pot--without recognizing you are completing the contradiction of your initial assertion.

I keep telling board rats: this is not about one's values on pot. This is about law breaking, possible scandal and the potential deleterious effects on recruiting of the possible scandal.

This is not rocket science. It is not even bottle rocket science.

Benjamin Piehler 7 years, 4 months ago

Did you read the names of the accused? Chad Eugene Bauman? Probably not a single black guy amongst them. Not sure how you came to the conclusion that African Americans were the suppliers...

Rob Zerwekh 7 years, 4 months ago

He played on a few of my baseball teams as a kid. White, yes... and I'm guessing he's one of the warehouse workers involved.

skragglydoo 7 years, 4 months ago

hey srj. enjoy mizzou's season this year?

parrothead8 7 years, 4 months ago

Wow, color me shocked that some college kids smoked weed. The only difference between the Jayhawks and players on every other college basketball team is that the Jayhawks' dealer got caught.

kurules 7 years, 4 months ago

I have hung out with and played bball with numerous KU players (been 20 years ago)....It happened then, it happens now. It's not a KU thing and it's no big deal. At least 50% of D1 players have either tried or smoke pot on a "regular" basis. The fact it's illegal is a bit of a concern and that's it. Don't be a prude and act like it's more than it is. Most of us have used it at some point including the cops and the NCAA hypocrites that act like it's an atrocity that this happens. It happens in every program.

woodscolt 7 years, 4 months ago

More backwards Kansas crap. These over zealous prosecutors are just looking for publicity. Just dropping names to advertise for their personal gain. Get Lost jerks. Some states actually allow people to grow marijuana and even smoke it. Not in Kansas, they still play the "oh my god" Marijuana!!!! Pathetic.

acehodges 7 years, 4 months ago

Who runs a 4 YEAR pot sting anyways..... Really!? Thanks for putting my hard earned tax dollars to work Kansas.

Benjamin Piehler 7 years, 4 months ago

The guys who repave the same road every summer

kujhawker 7 years, 4 months ago

Bottom line: It's the drug dealer's word against theirs. They're just trying to take the attention away from the fact that they had a ton (literally) of weed to sell. Give me a break. Who really cares if some college kids (even KU basketball students) smoked some pot? Really??!!??

Jayhawk1958 7 years, 4 months ago

Should be legalized anyway. People complain about the debt and millions go toward criminalizing weed. Its a waste of money to try and stop it because it can't be totally eradicated.

Freedman Moor 7 years, 4 months ago

Lord knows how well prohibition has worked for us in the past.

Steve Williams 7 years, 4 months ago

not to mention all the negro jazz musicians who smoke mari juwanna, go psychotic and rape people..

Freedman Moor 7 years, 4 months ago

Oh, I get it!! Mizzou gets busted flying around with a notorious drug dealer, but KU's will be "crippled" because some guy allegedly supplied ganja to some of the players. Okay. Thanks.

audit1999 7 years, 4 months ago

It's not their word against his. The prosecutors got their phone numbers/texts from the dealers phone when it was confiscated.

skragglydoo 7 years, 4 months ago

GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION!!!! EXECUTE THEM!

Bob Reinsch 7 years, 4 months ago

Most of Mizzou's Antlers had the players phone numbers, too. That doesn't mean the KU players were doing meth or engaged in intimate relations with their relations.

Sam Constance 7 years, 4 months ago

Um, unless those texts included the phrase "I would like to purchase pot" or something similarly explicit, then yes, it is word v. word.

A drug dealer having your number in their phone, or even a history of text conversations is not proof of guilt.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 4 months ago

POE .. Pot Over Everything.

My first inclination is to suggest a correlation between pot use and the % of skin surface that is occupied by tattoos on one's body, but that might be deemed controversial.

There are exceptions to every rule. But as I've said on other topics, exceptions don't defeat the rule .. but many continue to argue the exceptions as if they defeat the rule.

A high tattoo rate generally means higher likelihood of being a pot smoker. No government sponsored (stimulus) study to tell me that. Don't need it. But I would like to run the study if I can get some stimulus money for it.

That being said, I don't care if anyone on the team smokes pot. Or has a beer. Or if they study. Or if they get a degree. They have a scholarship and what they do with it is their business. But the trade off is winning basketball. That's what I care about.

But I don't like the bad press. It could be worse, right? You never know though, it might get worse.

Anyone think TT's suspension could have been pot related? Hmmmm.

Or that EJ's suspension might have had a bong attached? Hmmmm.

Arthur and Chalmers got caught with the wacky weed at rookie NBA camp? Hmmmm.

Rush got suspended for the stuff? Hmmmm.

Marijuana is an illegal diversion, just as illegal as a 20 year old drinking a beer.

Perhaps .. possibly .. coach Bill has put it in that perspective. And doesn't make a mountain out of a mole hill until it gets to a certain point. But this news may cause him to have to be a bit stricter on the stuff.

Benjamin Piehler 7 years, 4 months ago

Whenever a player at any school gets suspended for "Violating team rules", we all know why...

skragglydoo 7 years, 4 months ago

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texashawk10 7 years, 4 months ago

This would be a big deal if a KU player was implemented as a dealer, but that an athlete (regardless of which sport) smokes weed is a non-story. I know for sure T-Rob and EJ smoked their freshmen seasons and I'm assuming after that as well. Smoking weed as an athlete is a way to relax from the stress of having to perform in the spotlight.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 4 months ago

World's best avatar .. implemented vs. implicated? It just doesn't matter.

Jace FitzGibbon 7 years, 4 months ago

the players arent all perfect how the media would depict them. t rob has done stuff thats not responsible. but who cares really? get it out of your systems early. every one needs to live a little

devobrun 7 years, 4 months ago

Hey scoop, check into one James Michael Soderling. He is about half way down the list here: http://www.justice.gov/usao/ks/PressReleases/2012/June%202012/June13a.html

Fort Bragg, Ca. Previously a swim coach in Mendocino, previously the head swim coach at Topeka Swim Association, previously head coach at Lawrence Aquahawks. About 3 years ago Mike fell off the deep end. Divorce, lost jobs, running to California.......and now indicted in a federal drug bust.

Or maybe I'm mistaken regarding the Mike Soderling that I know so well. KU athletes? Big deal. 12 year old swimmers right here in Lawrence coached by a guy who couldn't make it to practice in the morning because he was still smashed from the night before? Big deal.

Left a nice wife and two fine little girls behind, too. What a shame.

beardwater7 7 years, 4 months ago

It's interesting to see a lot of people so passive-aggressive about people/players that smoke pot. I'm indifferent about it. What I have trouble understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong but when reading the punishment for these dealers, it almost seems equal or more severe than what the guy got for the hit-and-run accident where a girl was killed yrs ago. Just wondering..?

Jeremy Bolinger 7 years, 4 months ago

Lol Wayne Simien admitted to smoking weed in the beyond the phog book. This is laughable. If the players DIDN'T EVEN GET CAUGHT, then why are we even discussing this?

KansasComet 7 years, 4 months ago

To me, someone allegedly got caught committing a crime and is looking at some serious time. So to deflect attention, they bring up a KU Team that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that this person supposedly got caught. Weak explanation to bring up KU players, it has nothing to do with the crime. "See, what had happened was......"

Benjamin Piehler 7 years, 4 months ago

Samuel got too flashy. Shouldn't be anywhere near the limelight or messing around with personal amounts when you're that far up the food chain.

Who he sold to is irrelevant asides from maybe dragging a name or two through the mud... Who he was buying from is more relevant; I would hope.

skragglydoo 7 years, 4 months ago

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Jayhawk_4_Life 7 years, 4 months ago

you have no idea that Ty and Elijah were suspended for those reasons, quit insinuating things...so college kids smoke a little bit of weed, anyone who is surprised by this is 100% naive.

Martin Rosenblum 7 years, 4 months ago

"The 32-year-old from Overland Park was among numerous defendants charged June 11 with a scheme to distribute more than 2,000 pounds of marijuana in Johnson and Douglas counties."

A "scheme" to distribute a ton of MJ? Why is it a "scheme" now? A "scheme" indicates a plan other than the normal "..hey, I know this guy...". If the guy had a "scheme", he wasn't very adept at his trade. Ther were 24 other people who are facing conspiracy charges for the offenses. If you have 24 people involved, one of the pot-heads will certainly screw up and the whole "scheme" falls apart in the end.

I wonder about the four year investigation into the distribution of the 2000 lbs. If it took four years to catch these guys, the buyers who were the last to make their purchases would have bought some real old stuff, right? Seems like their "scheme" took a really long time to accomplish..4 years - 2000 lbs? If they had gone to Wyandotte County, it probably would have only taken a few months and they wouldn't have been caught!

diegohawk 7 years, 4 months ago

Waste of 4 years and tax payer money. Are we going after the glue sniffers next and the schools that don't lock up the elmers?

shotgun 7 years, 4 months ago

HA HA! Not our precious Jayhawks! There is life beyond college basketball...... oh wait, not in Kansas!

Dan Cook 7 years, 4 months ago

Couldn't agree more. This will be yesterday's news in no time. I have no concern about recruiting impact regardless of who claims otherwise. Think about it from the MU comparison. Relatively speaking, their HUGE drug scandal has had no legs at all.

chahawk 7 years, 4 months ago

It really doesn't matter if you think smokin the bud is wrong or right, the job of the media now is to vilify the university and the basketball program.

nuleafjhawk 7 years, 4 months ago

I hope this doesn't cause our team to start eating people's faces, instead of just beating their a$$e$.

Tom Richmond 7 years, 4 months ago

You know who to blame. "It's their fat little girl friends".

REHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

O my! I was just about to compose a very serious diatribe on this issue; then you swept the wind from my sails with this burst of glee! Gotta thank the heavens that Bill Self isn't inclined to tweak the media with such coachspeak.

Mike Tackett 7 years, 4 months ago

I think we can all guess who was involved in this, I think they have all departed with this years exits. There was a core group that was trouble from the day they hit Lawrence....now we will pay the price. You all can howl about it's just pot, but this can and will be used against us. Having a drug dealer sitting behind our bench, make a poster of that. That's not a charge that's a fact, coupled with the phone records. HCBS brought some rough boys to town a few years back, now he's going to pay the price.....and they didn't even bring him a Final Four.

jhawked 7 years, 4 months ago

Missouri court room, Mizzooori prosecutor, Moozouri newspaper...nuff said

JayDocMD 7 years, 4 months ago

Both are KS counties, Grissom is a KS based US attorney, and it's a Federal investigation. Back away from the bong.

Martin Rosenblum 7 years, 4 months ago

The "scheme" probably went to Columbia first and when they were shunned for only selling MJ, they had to return to OP and Lawrence. Had they only been selling the dope-of-choice that Columbians had ascended to, they would have avoided the Kansas investigation. Unless.....the whole "scheme" was to in some way implicate the Jayhawk team in the end! This could mean that this pot company were secretly Mizzou faithful on a mission! Wow man, the depth and breadth of this can be mind blowing! I see a movie or book from this, possibly titled, "A Different Type of Phog at Allen Fieldhouse"

Jack Wilson 7 years, 4 months ago

Actually, the new sign - "Beware of the Phog, dude"

Andy Hess 7 years, 4 months ago

Oooh, weed! Oh no! Call me when it's something serious.

Dyrk Dugan 7 years, 4 months ago

so far much ado about nothing. Yes, using marijuana is a crime, but right now we have no evidence that that has occurred. what we have is an asst. U.S. attorney trying to win a case...and she's bragging about things that are not in court.

there is no paperwork on the KU players. We have no corroborating statements or evidence from any third party, or 2nd party for that matter.

KC TV stations last night ignored this story altogether. Until we have formal charges, or Bill Self issues a statement after their own investigation, there's really nothing to see here.

Richard Payton 7 years, 4 months ago

Watch for President Obama to put KU in his top bracket pick for pot and basketball.

Clarence Haynes 7 years, 4 months ago

I am no lawyer but the players might be called in to testify that they made purchases from the accused. It becomes serious if they commit perjury when testifying.

adamjhwkfan 7 years, 4 months ago

That's why you plead the 5th. It protects you from self-incrimination.

ParisHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

Unless they force immunity on you, then you have to testify.

Chris Corley 7 years, 4 months ago

College kids smoking pot?! I am outraged!

CheneyHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

Reminds of scene from Casablanca accusing Ricks of gambling. LOL.

Shane Garrett 7 years, 4 months ago

I think once the bright lights of the media start to shine on this seedling of a story the facts will come out and the story will start to grow like a weed.

CheneyHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

The NCAA random testing process is a farce - if they truly tested, would there be anybody left? Would their time/money/energy be better spent focused on detecting steroids and HGH? Would the KSHSAA be better served by testing for sterioids & HGH?

Steve Brown 7 years, 4 months ago

Perjury to be avoided as in, "I did not have sex with that woman."

Everyone knows the service provided OJ by Kato Kalin, never touch the transaction. risk v. reward.

Is Villeareal on coach Cal payroll of course not, yet point made, this rumor won't help us with a certain set of recruits with cautious conservative family roots. Think Harrison Barnes, Are all of you equally happy that SC is returning to Larrytown as having Wayne around the boys? Slippery slope of breaking one law, what's to stop point shaving, hanging out with agents and shoe peddlars. Before you know it we've got trouble right here in river city, that starts with T and ryhmes with P and stands for pot!

Maybe it makes sense when coach says we gain some advantage to be sent out to the west region to get away from local distractions.

Beak 7 years, 4 months ago

In an annonymous NCAA survey in 2009, 22% of 20,000 NCAA athletes reported they smoked marijuana the prior year. So, if less than a quarter of KU bball team is smoking (um... Graves), that means we are very very non-noteworthy.

Robert Brown 7 years, 4 months ago

I do find the comments and reaction more interesting than the story itself. I don't care what anyone says, this is an embarrassment to the university and to the basketball program. It is a slow news time and this story is on the front pages of the college basketball sections of the ESPN and Yahoo Sports website. Who knows what will become of this? Maybe a couple of names are released which while embarrassing should not 'cripple' the program.

Most of the people who post on here follow KU athletics very closely and someone made a comment that something 'embarrassing' happens every year. I think if you followed any other big time athletic program closely, you would find there are a similar number of embarrassing stories.

I live in Texas. TCU has a much bigger drug scandal right now. UT football players are constantly getting arrested. OU has had several off field/court embarrassments in both football and basketball.

Unless there are more legs to this story, I think it will be viewed a minor setback which has little or no affect on the progress of the program.

Norm Jennings 7 years, 4 months ago

college bball players smoking weed?????!!!!!

oh my....

in other news

Water is WET and the Pope is CATHOLIC

who knew?

JoseSmith 7 years, 4 months ago

My guess is those involved are EJ , Tyshawn, Marcus, Markieff, Brady.

Those are the givens.

A few others might be involved.

lunacydetector 7 years, 4 months ago

hair follicle drug testing should be used since it can go back as far as one whole year. while they're at it, they should also test the professors and any authority figures. it wouldn't even have to be random. test them all

Michael Sillman 7 years, 4 months ago

Does anyone have a tape of this year's loss in the Sprint Center? If you do, check out which former players are sitting behind the Jayhawk bench next to a 32 year old pot dealer. That should answer the question of the involved players. Personally I can't remember which of the previous season's players were at that game.

kennethst 7 years, 4 months ago

JAYBATE has it right.....again. All should read his responses to this issue. He nailed it.

Benjamin Piehler 7 years, 4 months ago

At least someone has time to sift through his posts...

kennethst 7 years, 4 months ago

No....it's not the end of the world here......but still an embarrassment no doubt. Plus it's horrible for your body-and that's especially bad for athlete's performance. Would really slow you down I would think. Who knows.......even small amount could have made a difference.....in that VCU game? Who knows?

What's done is done.......just make sure it never happens again, Coach.

HawkKlaw 7 years, 4 months ago

I think this will actually end up helping our recruiting situation. If I were a potential DI bball star and I smoked (by all accounts there are so many players that do it), I'd strongly consider Lawrence, KS as a place to play college ball. No joke.

Like others have said, most people in Kansas can't separate their personal views on pot from how this situation will actually impact KU. I don't see this being a huge problem. First, as I mentioned, it's pretty commonplace for college students to smoke marijuana. That's not a real shocker, especially in a hippie town like Lawrence. Second, in the grand scheme of things this is not that bad of a situation for KU. For example, John Calipari has vacated final fours on his resume (the worst thing you can have on your resume as a coach) and he still gets some of the best recruits in the country to play at UK, despite all the bad things that other schools say about him. I don't think there will be that many recruits passing on KU just because of this.

ParisHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

How many recruits do you want to lose?

Families that don't like pot will not like this.

Kids that do like pot will not like this. The point isn't that you can smoke pot at KU, it's that you may get caught. Maybe at the School That Must Not Be Named they've got the fix in and life is good, Dude...

okiedave 7 years, 4 months ago

The story signifies the progress made since the early 70's. Lawrence had a Sheriff that was running for re-election (Johnson) in the early 70's. He was being challenged by a resident "hippie" (shoulder length hair and all). When the LJW staff interviewed the candidates, he asked them if Lawrence had a marijuana problem. Sheriff Johnson responded that there was and pledged to crack down hard on the problem. The challenger stated that Lawrence indeed had a serious problem and pledged to enforce truth-in-packaging laws because a lot of bad s**t was coming in and ripping people off. It looks like, 40 years later, better stuff is coming in.

JoseSmith 7 years, 4 months ago

Ok, My first comment on this board was removed. And justifiably so. Let me try again.

We all know which players were involved.

Most are gone which is the good news.

SB2013 7 years, 4 months ago

Why is anyone surprised at all! Lots of KU students have seen the basketball players out at the clubs -when they are still underage, and treated like Rock Stars. This has been student chatter for years. I heard about it from my children (also KU students at the time- going back to 2006-2008) who witnessed these situations. It was just considered NORMAL because the were KU players. All of their "bad" behavior has been tolerated, condoned and/or covered up for years. Look at the arrest of a drunk KU player (Morningstar) on the turnpike. Oops, the LPD couldn't cover that one up. The Chancellor, AD, Coach, and other staff will eventually have to admit it, accept it, deal with it and move on. Now, will the players involved "fess up" before the are outed in court or will they just "lawyer up". To be continued . . .

Hammertoe 7 years, 4 months ago

This story will only grower bigger in the media as the drug dealers phone conversations were recorded as well as record of his texts messages off his phone..... Those could prove embarassing..

bumblebee 7 years, 4 months ago

How can they say that? we couldn't find any smoke in Lawrence around that time and still find it difficult. If Dude was supplying to Douglas county he wasn't doing a very good job of it. This dude had 2000 pounds someone grab me a grape philly

irvan moore 7 years, 4 months ago

i just worry if it was being given to the players would it be looked at as an improper benefit

jaybate 7 years, 4 months ago

"2000 Pounds of Pot"

2000 pounds of pot.

That's getting up near a ton.

I can see why the Feds are interested in a ton of pot.

That's quite a lot.

I wonder where the pot was stored?

Are there warehouses in KC that specialize in storing illegal pot?

It must have taken a truck to move it, right?

I wonder who the truck belonged to?

I wonder if it came up the Super Corridor, or did it come over the border in a UHaul and the Border Patrol just forgot to check the truck?

I wonder where the pot came from originally?

Was it grown in people's gardens around Kansas City, or did it come from rail road beds around Kansas, or did it come from the Pacific Northwest, or down Mexico way?

I wonder who grew it? who harvested it? who cured it?

2000 pounds of pot.

That's quite a lot,

I say.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 7 years, 4 months ago

College kids smoking POT?!?!?!?

Whoever heard of that!

Eric Schneider 7 years, 4 months ago

This is an embarrassing situation. But fortunately all NCAA drug policies are at the discretion of the individual institutions. So while it's certainly a black eye on the program, there won't be sanctions. At least ones imposed by the NCAA.

FLJHK 7 years, 4 months ago

I admit it is a problem of sorts for the University, but it shouldn't be. I don't want another single dollar of tax money going to the investigation, eradication, prosecution or incarceration of pot users. Legalize the stuff. Tax and regulate it like alcohol. Make it revenue positive.

Among my closest group of friends, all KU grads from the mid-70's, probably 1/2 to 3/4 still smoke pot on a regular basis. These are high achievement people including attorneys, a physician, college professors and business owners. After 40 years, I've yet to see any negative effects. I personally lost my taste for it about a decade ago, but used it almost daily for many years.

ironhead80 7 years, 4 months ago

There have been alot of ku players thru the years who smoked pot, they just never got caught and nether did these guys. Some players would come in to see a movie at night and they would smell like pot, most athletes particularly black players prefer pot. It doesn't do any good to bring this up, no matter what one feels about pot. so, lets move on!

dynamitehawk 7 years, 4 months ago

What infuriates me is two things:

1.) That a prosecutor alleges that call logs and text messages are evidence of a professional relationship between KU B-Ballers have anything to do with A TON OF WEED. Why is this relevant? Promise I've puffed a piece of that ton. Why is Dynamite not on the news????

2.). Dang. Dry in Lawrence. Stoopid.

Ervin O'Neal 7 years, 4 months ago

“At one occasion law enforcement had Mr. Villeareal this basketball season at the Sprint Center sitting behind the KU basketball bench with a number of the players,” she said. “So we know that he had probably not only a personal relationship with them but a professional relationship as well.”

I don't get this comment at all. If he is sitting "behind" the KU bench during a game, how can he be sitting "with" a number of the players? And how would a rationale person conclude that anyone sitting behind the bench has both a personal and professional relationship with the players on the bench? Couldn't it also mean simply that someone with great seats (presumably part of KU's allocation of seats) sold their tickets?

CheneyHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

OK - Now this gives a whole new take on "Beware of the PHOG". Dude...

REHawk 7 years, 4 months ago

All in all, just another negative cross for Bill Self to answer to...and bear. He has to be growing weary of these annual player dips into asininity. If he should ever jump ship, heading off to the NBA before his lasting NCAA legacy is fully established, it will be because of the endless string of such university level headaches and subsequent social pressures and criticisms attached to such. On the professional level, most sports enthusiasts have come to expect turmoil and corruption as a constant sidelight of the show.

HawkKlaw 7 years, 4 months ago

I must disagree. It's college. That's the time in your life when you're supposed to get all the wild times and trouble out of your system. Bill Self knows that he coaches college basketball and that college kids do dumb things from time to time. He's not going to jump ship because he's tired of dealing with off-the-court issues of KU players. NBA players have equally as many issues (if not many more).

Sam Constance 7 years, 4 months ago

For those of you who resort to the old "but it's illegal" rationale, something to consider:

1) The fact that something is illegal is important. Laws are how we regulate our society into an organized cooperative between hundreds/thousands/millions of people that often have not only different motivations and goals, but sometimes diametrically-opposed motivations and goals. What I'm about to say in no way changes this...

2) While the legality of something is important, it is not the end-all. This is because as important as laws are, they are not created/revised in real-time, and they are created by a plurality of people, and the actual legality of something may not match the appropriateness of being illegal.

3) Case in point #1: marijuana. Many people (as evidenced by this forum) believe that cannabis should be legalized for a number of reasons, but there is sea change occurring on this issue. Every subsequent generation buys less into the anti-cannabis propaganda that is disseminated by the War on Drugs--it's only a matter of time until those who don't believe the demonization of the drug (compared to a plethora of legalized drugs that also have harmful consequences/effects) are the ones making the laws. The point here is that the law hasn't caught up to the actual sentiment on the thing it is intended to regulate.

Before those of you who fall on the other side of the fence chime in....

4) Case in point #2: bath salts. Currently, as far as I know, it's not illegal to smoke bath salts. Or at the very least, I think we can all agree that it wasn't illegal when the first moron decided that it would be a good idea to smoke bath salts.

Obviously, any news story that involves KU and illicit activity is embarrassing. But I doubt I'm alone when I say that I'm far more embarrassed by things like our football team the past two years, or when our basketball team has felt the ignominy of a first-round exit, or a loss to a "directional", "mid-major" school in an early round of the tournament.

This just isn't a big deal in today's day and age. The only reason it's a story at all is because--as others have already mentioned--the drug dealer was hoping having a "high profile" client would somehow take some of the heat off of himself, and the prosecutor then decided that any media attention he/she could generate on the story was a positive, even if it meant releasing information to the media that has no real value from a legal standpoint and will likely have NOTHING to do with the actual case. It was just attention-garnering.

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