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Kansas University newcomer Milton Doyle works out with the Jayhawks for the first time during Bill Self's basketball camp on Monday, June 18, 2012, at the Horejsi Center.
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The city of Chicago has been kind to Kansas University’s basketball program during the Bill Self era.
“I know Sherron (Collins) from being back home and Mario (Little) from here and some other guys (Julian Wright, Jamari Traylor),” said Milton Doyle, a 6-foot-4, 175-pound guard from Marshall High — the latest Windy City native to play for Self’s Jayhawks.
He spoke to the media on Tuesday in Allen Fieldhouse on his second full day on campus.
“I’ll try to follow in their footsteps and play like they do,” Doyle said.
Doyle — he’s never played against KU red-shirt freshman Traylor of Chicago’s Julian High — initially was committed to Florida International, a team coached by Chicago native Isiah Thomas.
Doyle decommitted after Thomas’ firing in April.
“Basically I was sold before I came, knowing the history of Kansas,” said Doyle, who visited KU in mid-May. “Finally being here, I was able to put it together. It was a hard decision ... but it’s Kansas.”
Doyle, who still needs to have a couple of online courses approved by the NCAA Clearinghouse before he’s free to play at KU, also had Marquette on his revised list, but never visited the Milwaukee school.
“It feels good to be here, to finally work out and be around the team, be around the guys,” said Doyle, who will wear his high school jersey number — 25 — at KU. “They welcomed me in like I was already part of the team from the beginning.”
KU coach Bill Self said Tuesday that Doyle, who averaged 19.0 points, 7.0 rebounds, 5.0 assists and 5.0 steals per game his senior season at Marshall, figures to play both point and shooting guard.
“I think there’s a difference in being a point guard and being able to play some point,” Self said. “He’s a guy who definitely can play some point, no question. The way we play, whoever gets it brings it. Tyshawn (Taylor) wasn’t a true point at least the way we played. Elijah (Johnson) is not a true point. We’ve got a lot of combo guards. He’ll be one of those combo guards.
“He’s a good athlete, has great length. He has to get stronger, which is natural for all freshmen. He probably has to get where his stroke is a little more consistent. We have minutes to be earned back there from a depth standpoint. He should provide us extra depth, no question.”
Of his role, Doyle said: “Combo guard that can play any spot, who is able to go out there and play whatever the coach tells me to play ... a good defender, all around player.”
Doyle — who once was a Duke fan, but switched allegiances to KU about the time the Jayhawks won the national title with Collins playing a major role in 2008 — has played point guard pretty much all his life. He credited his mom, Lisa, a former Mississippi Valley State player, for “putting me in the gym ... it was out of her job because she works for the park district, so I was always in the gym.”
Kansas University senior forward Kevin Young is back on campus after trying out for the Puerto Rico Senior National Team earlier this month.
Young happy to be home: KU senior forward Kevin Young said he enjoyed competing with the likes of J.J. Barea (Minnesota, NBA), Shabazz Napier (UConn), Mike Rosario (Florida) and Renaldo Balkman (South Carolina) at the recent Puerto Rico national team tryouts.
“It was fun. I learned a lot. I think I grew a lot as a player, too,” said Young, who was one of 12 players asked to play in a tournament this week in Puerto Rico, but was told he would be bumped from the Olympic team once several Puerto Rican pro players reported to camp.
“I worked on my shot, my handles a bit. Hopefully I’ll show a little bit of improvement when I get back in the gym, today,” Young added.
Young said he will try to make the Olympic team in 2016. “I’ll go back next year for the world championships,” he said. “I really didn’t get an answer what I need to improve on, the reason I was cut, what I didn’t do right. Hopefully I can change it next time I go down there.”
KU coach Self said he heard Young played well at tryouts. “The last game he plays five minutes, gets eight points, four rebounds, is 2-2 from three which I was kind of excited to hear about. Kevin will have a good year this year because he’s going to be a lot more comfortable,” Self said.
Frankamp on U17 team: Future KU guard Conner Frankamp of Wichita North survived final cuts and is a member of the 12-man, USA Basketball Under-17 men’s world championship team. He will compete in the 2012 FIBA U17 World Championships June 29-July 8 in Kaunas, Lithuania.
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Comments
1stnamemistermiddlenameperiod 12 months ago
I love it that Doyle WANTS to be here. Story has it that Julian Wright also made up his mind before he visted campus as well. Self dropped in for an in-home and JuJu made up his mind on the spot.
ahpersecoachingexperience 12 months ago
Any one else cringe when they read "...approved by NCAA clearinghouse..."?
oldalum 12 months ago
Probably after they have finished with all the football players.
JayDogger 12 months ago
I think it's cool that Doyle's (and Chi_town's) mom played hoops at Mississippi Valley St. -- Jerry Rice played football there, for what it's worth.
Well done, Kevin Young. I guess the conciliation prize is going to Europe and playing in/against Switzerland and France. I think this will help this year's team and the eight rookies immensely.
RCJH
dagger108 12 months ago
"approved by NCAA clearinghouse" made me think he gets to become buddies wit Hudy.
The picture seems to indicate he has the frame to build on.
ralster 12 months ago
Doyle: Happy he is a Jayhawk. Man, I always want the athletes who want us. They are already sold. Combo guard. Self's Chicago connections paying off, as the Chicago area coaches have known him & liked him since 2000 when at Illini. It also helps the way he looked after Mario Little. See, Milt, even past his own merits, is now a connection to the next Chicago kid (whoever that may be, whenever that is).
KYoung: Gro da fro, bro! The smile & the fro, plus the hard hustle will make KYoung the slickest, coolest college player next season.
Alohahawk 12 months ago
KY is currently listed at 6' 8". If he "gro's the fro", does that mean he'll measure out at 7' tall next season? That way KU could have two 7 footers in at one time. Scare the daylights out of the competition!! ;>)
And congrats to Conner Frankamp for making the 'final cut to 12' for the USA U17 team. Help win the gold, like you did in the U16 tournament.
As for Doyle, glad to have you aboard. Like some others have already said on here, I've got a feeling you will surprise/surpass expectations. And I, too, like it when a recruit states they're excited about being a Jayhawk. Good luck, persevere on the defensive end, and you'll do fine.
mojayhawk 12 months ago
Google some youtube of Milton. He's got game. Welcome, Milton!
mpann1818 12 months ago
Frankamp also has game...he just is a scoring beast.
Doyle is the steal of the recruiting season. Remember Isahiah was a poor executive, decent coach, great talent scout.
april28 12 months ago
There's no way Frankencamp makes Team USA with his Rivals ranking. Must be a mistake, right?
I forgot for a moment how much I like Kevin. The guy just exudes positivity.
This is going to be a fun team to watch and an easy team to cheer for. I may need a program for a few weeks to keep track of who's who but it should be a really exciting season.
memhawk 12 months ago
"He will compete in the 2012 FIBA U17 World Championships June 29-July 8 in Kaunas, Lithuania" . Frankamp.
Kaunas...similarities in spelling to Kansas. Maybe in Lithuanian it is the same as Kansas. You never know!
OakvilleJHawk 12 months ago
Literal translation......"The Land of OZ."
jhox 12 months ago
No surprise at all on Frankamp. He's been tearing it up on the AAU circuit already this year, and turning a lot of heads. I'm glad our coaching staff spotted him and got his committment early. I hope we're going all out to get Semi, as well. We were a little late to the game on that one, so it may be an up hill battle.
I heard junior to be, Tyrone Taylor, a point guard out of Grandview scored in the upper 30's in a game last weekend. I've seen him play three or four times, and he's not even a score first kind of point guard. He's a kid who takes what comes to him, and he's also a kid who has a solid outside shot. I hope our coaches get out and watch him next month. He's long and quick, and looks like a kid who could grow to 6'4" or 6'5", and he's a natural point guard, not just a guy who can play the point.
Brock 12 months ago
Since the staff is trying to land a couple of bigs from the pack such as Randle, Lawrence, Gordon, Mickey, Shepherd, and a super-quick, ball-handling point guard such as Anthony Barber, it looks like Semi is not a high priority.
jhox 12 months ago
I hear you, but just don't know how we could overlook a guy as talented as Semi who lives 15 or 20 miles from campus...a bird in the hand...
I think he's likely to end up at a place like Duke, given that his family apparently puts such a high priority on education. I hear he's not a big fan of KSU and not likely to end up there. I think if our coaches worked him hard enough, we'd stand a chance. I'm just not sure how hard we're working him.
I hope we don't lose out on Randle, he's got out of this world talent. I don't know what his relationship is like with Peters, but let's hope he's hearing great things about KU from his former teammate. UK seems to win every guy like him who comes along though. They're obviously paying pretty well over in Lexington.
konkeyDong 12 months ago
I've said it before and I'll say it again, although I'd love to have Semi, I don't know what we'd have to offer him at this point vs KState, his legacy school, or Duke, another school interested in him. As Brock points out, our biggest need is someone who can come in and fill Withey's enormous shoes, and another true PG, especially if Adams doesn't work out. Barber would be a great get for us right now. For the bigs, Walker and Shepherd look like the best targets. Randle is out of the picture. I guarantee you that he's going to Duke, UNC, or UK (presently in that order).
Brock 12 months ago
Walker - how could I have overlooked that dude? He is probably a Florida lean but we are still in it for now.
lonestar_jayhawk 12 months ago
IF Adams doesn't work out, then we have one more scholarship to give.
However, if the scholarships stay the same at four, two are committed to Frankamp and Greene. One should go to a Big (Walker or Shepaherd maybe Randle). The fourth may be a point (Barber or the kid from Self's old HS) or roll the dice with best available.
Jayhawker28 12 months ago
Glad to have Milton on the team. I'm from Chicago and anyone who was first team all public league and 2nd team all state in IL can flat out play.
Do we know anything concrete about Anrio Adams? I read that he will be on campus in a couple weeks but do we have anything concrete?
OakvilleJHawk 12 months ago
Nope...so far only wood and bricks!!
nuleafjhawk 12 months ago
“Basically I was sold before I came, knowing the history of Kansas,” said Doyle, who visited KU in mid-May. “Finally being here, I was able to put it together. It was a hard decision ... but it’s Kansas.”
I've not seen M.D. (Doc ??) play, but I like the way he thinks!
REHawk 12 months ago
Ooooh, nice! Doc Doyle.
plasticJHawk 12 months ago
The Doctor is in!
tis4tim 12 months ago
Taking jersey #25 is a bold choice if you're lacing it up at KU, regardless if it was your high school number or not.
OakvilleJHawk 12 months ago
I posted this thought yesterday, but take a look at this kid. Look at his expression and check out the videos.
Does he look like an end of the bench "garbage time" player? I think hardly...in fact I think we may have uncovered a gem.
Milt...you do need a nickname and this site is the place to come.
My first shot, Milt "The Coil" Doyle. Fellow posters...work your magic!!
REHawk 12 months ago
Nuleafjhawk hit it on the head: M.D.>Doc Doyle.
drgnslayr 12 months ago
I like "Doc."
Based first on the KISS principle.
konkeyDong 12 months ago
Personally, I like 'Milt the Stilt'. I know it doesn't really fit, but how often to you get the opportunity to use 'the Stilt'? Doc seems the obvious route, though.
nuleafjhawk 12 months ago
You know Oakville, I thought the same thing. Can you get a clue about someone by looking at a picture? Maybe KGphoto can answer that!
I don't know, but one look at that pic above and I thought " This dude looks like he means business. Like he could really contribute."
I think I like him already.
drgnslayr 12 months ago
One of my Chi-town buds told me "Doc" has outrageous potential but he will need to gain lots of strength in order to pull it off on a D1 level.
I'm thinking he will see some PT this year and we will see some brilliant moments showing off his potential (like TRob did as a freshman)... but we will also see his lack of strength play out and it will be another year or two before he develops into something special. Let's not forget that he will need to develop his confidence along with his body...
He's a mini example of a TRob.
When are we going to fly a banner in AFH for Hudy? We could "retire" her name with the immortals because she deserves it!
nuleafjhawk 12 months ago
Thanks for your input drgnslayr, and you are right about Hudy. She has been vital to our success for a while now!
ku_foaf 12 months ago
Just seeing the picture posted here in the article makes me think he will be good. Intangible, but he looks the part.
RockChalk26 12 months ago
Milton "The Stapler" Doyle
justinryman 12 months ago
Can't be "Doc" that nick name is already taken by the new addition to Coach Self's staff, i.e. Doc Stadler.
BayHawkaholic 12 months ago
Drillinois.
jkilgore 12 months ago
Which can be read two ways: Dr. or Drill inois, which is even funnier.
BayHawkaholic 12 months ago
It was a rapper's nickname for Chicago, I think. Heard it awhile back.
Always thought it would be a good nickname for a b-ball player from Chicago who could drill it from outside.
JayDocMD 12 months ago
It's all Doyle all the time here at the LJW.
Not sure Xavier and Selby got this much play when they arrived. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to have the good doctor on board (M.D.) And I know its a slow news time, but lets get some fresh subject matter. How about another one of those Keegan statistics articles that are so popular?
vd 12 months ago
With 5 times as many FB players as BB players, you would think they could pull an interview with a FB player. Of course the readers would rather have 4 articles on a single BB player then 1 article on any FB player. Makes FB recruiting tougher, BB recruiting easier.
JayhawkJohn 12 months ago
the sucky football tradition makes the football recruiting harder not the number of articles in LJW.
REHawk 12 months ago
Bill Self is doing a marvelous job without annual stables full of 4 and 5 star horses. I really like the way he fills slots on his teams and on his staff. Thank the hoops gods that he bit the bullet to take Lew's advice on Andrea Hudy. We really have something great going with Jayhawk Basketball.
drgnslayr 12 months ago
The big question is:
KY: You going to "tow the fro" this year?
I like KY with a fro....
Let's get a vote -
VOTE HERE:
Pro Fro or No Fro
AtlJaybird 12 months ago
Either is fine with me as long as Withey keeps his hair short. Perhaps it was my imagination, but it seemed like he played a lot better last season after he got rid of the surfer-dude hair.
RockChalk26 12 months ago
Nope, you are right, he played a ton better. I noticed too.
konkeyDong 12 months ago
Whithey is like a reverse Sampson. Maybe he should go full on Cole Aldrich for the season.
HighEliteMajor 12 months ago
Me pro 'fro .. skinny black dudes with the big 'fro is the essence of basketball .. ABA, finger rolls, Dr. J. Pro hoops was never better.
http://www.remembertheaba.com/onlyintheabamaterial/bighairmaterial/gilmore/gilmore.html
ralster 12 months ago
Exactly. Totally 70s throwback look.
lonestar_jayhawk 12 months ago
Rock the Fro!
RockChalk26 12 months ago
Pro Fro
OakvilleJHawk 12 months ago
My favorite player from the "Fro Days" was the "Fro King", himself, Artis Gilmore!! AG gained 6" with that 'do.
I vote EVERYBODY including Bill Self and Joe Dooley grow "Fros".
dynamitehawk 12 months ago
Fro
FoCoCoHawk 12 months ago
For the greater good:
fro bono
Viking76 12 months ago
very nice.
nuleafjhawk 12 months ago
Artis Gilmore was a bad Mo-Fro.....
BayHawkaholic 12 months ago
Pro Fro, high socks, and short shorts.
justinryman 12 months ago
NO on the short shorts
tical523 12 months ago
Pro Fro For Sure! The Fro definately fits him but don't know what Bill would say.
plasticJHawk 12 months ago
Pro Fro, for KYoung
Quid pro fro, Withey needs to keep it short.
Phoghorn 12 months ago
Chicago Jayhawks? Is that the Windy City's new Soccer Team? How cool!
KemDooKU 12 months ago
Young, Doyle, Withey, Travis, B-Mac, Wesley, Peters, Lucas, Ellis,Johnson, White, Traylor, and possible Adams - how long has it been since these young guys road the bench during basketball season..... Ugh Never. Let's see how mentally tough these young guys are because the bench will always be warm with the amont of depth we have. But look on the bright side younglings - you get to sit court side and watch big boy basketball for free and throw in a full ride which saves your parents hundreds of thousands- livin the dream!!!
drgnslayr 12 months ago
Well.... we know Young, Mr. W, TRele, Wesley, and EJ have already seen plenty of pine as Hawks... but your point is well taken.
The key is to get these guys to gel with the emphasis on "team ball." When that is accomplished you have the guys on the court who slide for loose balls sacrificing their bodies for the team and the players on the bench who are riding it as their sacrifice for the team. All are happy.
When everyone learns that they have to make sacrifices for the team things tend to work themselves out rather easily.
With so many new players coming in I am hopeful they will bond as a unit quickly and the benefits will show immediately.
We have several guys coming in that have great potential as "unifiers" for building team unity.... probably my favorite (right off the bat) is Lucas. I was psyched when we signed him and a big part of that related to his social skills. He is going to bring lots of entertainment (beyond the basketball) to the Jayhawk Nation.
On the negative side, we have to consider if any player (or players) could become "instigators" creating chaos and team separation. I don't see any of these guys being like that, but I have to admit having little info on some of the newbies. It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the pie!
lonestar_jayhawk 12 months ago
It's Kansas. You wait your turn.
OakvilleJHawk 12 months ago
In HCBS's world, there's always PT for the guy that can play shutdown "D".
jmsuther 12 months ago
Im guessing Doyle wont red shirt this year, will avg 3 min per game and transfers next summer.
HighEliteMajor 12 months ago
uh oh ...
Hornhawk 12 months ago
I'm hoping Milton Doyle exceeds your expectations.
wrwlumpy 12 months ago
If Adams isn't on the team and Tharpe hasn't yet learned which color to throw the ball to, then this is EJ's backup.
HAWKS1 12 months ago
Since he is such a mystery to us all, how about "Sir Arthur Conan" Doyle? Or just "Sir Doyle"? Welcome aboard Milton!
REHawk 12 months ago
If the moniker "Doc" fails to catch on, "Conan" might work well. Like the superhero.
Chris1955 12 months ago
I can't believe anyone hasn't come up with "Popeye" Doyle. At least, I think that was the name of the Gene Hackman character in the French Connection. I seem to remember his charater being a serious bad-ass.
konkeyDong 12 months ago
"Popeye" gets my vote. Was Gene Hackman ever not a badass? At 71 he kicked the crap out of some kids in a road rage incident.
http://www.hollywood.com/news/Gene_Hackman_involved_in_road_rage_incident/1097104
You can't do any better than that.
Carnahan 12 months ago
Popeye or Doc? I like them both. How about a vote? Maybe part of the LJW summer series.
And definitely Fro for KY.
jkilgore 12 months ago
I'm guessing you were born in '55. Most kids could not identify Hackman, a fantastic actor. Lex Luther, etc.
tom123kufan 12 months ago
Off the subject, but did anyone else notice Dwayne Wade cussing on live TV last night as he walked into the locker room? He was saying F'ing Mario Chalmers over and over again, of course to pay heed to Chalmers good game. None the less I was surprised it happend and couldn't he see the camera right in front of him? Any one else see this?
ZIG 12 months ago
D Wade is a pompous a-hole. He probably did see the cameras but chose to let fly anyway. I liked him much better when he was a humble young player
KemDooKU 12 months ago
Oops I left out Tharpe - sorry Tharpe I did not mean to leave you out. I count 14 with Tharpe.
REHawk 12 months ago
I'd like to read an update on Tharpe, what he has been doing since April. Quite a bit of Jayhawk success could hinge upon his development, year two. He now will have Anrio (hopefully) and Doyle (hopefully) breathing down his back. If those two recruits do not qualify, Tharpe will really have to step up, from the getgo. Dicey business, EJ returning from surgery.
REHawk 12 months ago
Very understanable, Bill Self's excitement about adding Doyle...whom he views as a possible TT clone.
chi_town24 12 months ago
Lol at the nicknames. I kinda like "doc" bcuz of his initials but his nickname is silk bcuz of his smooth and natural game but don't if u guys would like it
konkeyDong 12 months ago
Hey chi, glad to see you resurface. Looking forward to seeing your bro ball. Hope he's excited for the Euro trip. Hope he's adjusting well to life on campus. Don't be a stranger :)
Iandhi 12 months ago
I like "silk", I could see that catching on with fans as well. Maybe a combo of the two, The Silk Doctor. However, that is kind of long for a nickname. @drsilk
REHawk 12 months ago
Welcome back, chi_town24. Please do not allow any of us to ruin your day. These posts undergo a daily variety of hot/cold and stupid. Plus, we get some irritating outsiders stirring up mayhem. After awhile you will become familiar with the avatars for posts worth reading, even though you might not concur with what you read. Some folks inject lopsided twists just to stir raging debates. All in all, this is one of the most terrific sports sites in Div. I Hoops. p.s. By now, your bro knows that lockdown defense and protecting the ball are two essential ingredients to Bill Self court time. Intense practice effort and focus, plus making use of Andrea Hudy's training facilities are an absolute must, right from the getgo. If Bill Self says he reminds him of Tyshawn Taylor, then I am super enthused for his future in Lawrence. Lawrence is a far cry from Chicago (or from St. Louis, as Ben McLemore soon discovered). A laid back peaceful place where every move a hoops player makes is up for inspection and comment. Milt has landed in the greatest collegiate hoops site in the modern world! If he is patient and industrious, I look to see him play a lot of Jayhawk ball, sooner or later. He will probably never know beforehand when a key injury to someone might cast his number onto the court. I like that "upside" prediction for a recruit whose h.s. senior year stats were loftier than Tyshawn's.
BayHawkaholic 12 months ago
I'm excited about Doyle. Definite hopeful similarities to Tyshawn - body type, style of play, and the recruiting scenario.
Don't know if HS stat comparison means much. As I recall Tyshawn was something like the 5th or 6th best player (or most coverted recruit) on his team so he was just a spoke in the wheel.
Hmmm. Where are they now? Mike Rosario (Rutgers), Jiovanny Fontan (Fordham), Travon Woodall (Pittsburgh), AJ Rogers (St. Joseph’s), Alberto Estwick (Fordham)???
Here's from an article around the time of the HS "championship" game:
"In Hurley’s eyes, Taylor is the best athlete on his team. Taylor is known for his thunderous slams and great speed. However, he is much more than a great athlete. Taylor showed off his defensive skills when he kept Tyreke Evans, one of the nation’s best players. Many believe that Taylor has the highest ceiling of all of Hurley’s guards. He has improved the most over his four years at St. Anthony."
And, as we know, his improvement continued.
Welcome Mr. Doyle. Let's rewind the tape!
REHawk 12 months ago
That was a heck of a loaded team which Hurley had amassed at St. Anthony when TT was in h.s. As I recall, the team was ranked #1 in the country Tyshawn's senior year. He matriculated to Kansas having practiced daily against some of the best players in the land. Tho Milt's senior stats and Chicago area recognition are super, he probably did not have the competitive advantages of TT before coming to KU. That said, if he has a more stable sophomore Jayhawk year, off the court, he might stand to develop that upside quicker than TT.
REHawk 12 months ago
As I recall, Hurley's St. Anthony team finshed TT's senior season ranked #1 in the land. So, even tho Milt's senior stats were loftier, he probably did not practice daily with the high caliber of athletes of Hurley's group. Tyshawn did not get to play over 60% of the game minutes, so his stat line was hampered.
REHawk 12 months ago
Sorry about the redundancy. For some reason, my first reply to BayHawkaholic was not posted until I sent in the second one. I am not getting the "review post" on my computer screen today.
plasticJHawk 12 months ago
I like Dr. Silk
sallyp 12 months ago
Cringe??!!! Heck yes, I cringed when I read NCAA Clearing House. There's something wrong with the NCAA, could it be they have way too many MU people on the board of ax choppers? It's always good to have one of our recruits excited about coming to KU. They will never regret their decision. Best place on earth to play basketball, we love our Hawks!!!
konkeyDong 12 months ago
You remember that time that mizzou left the big 12 and the conference wound up stronger than ever?
http://kansas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1377426
Looks like the Irish are eyeing the big 12 just like FSU.
ku_foaf 12 months ago
Kevin Young has become a favorite player. I like the way he does things and he got better through the whole season.
RCJ 12 months ago
Milton Doyle- Been on campus two days, out of the several pics ive seen its been nothing but business and game face. Like this kid!!! Rock Chalk MD
konkeyDong 12 months ago
Doyle looked good in the camp game. BMac leads, but Doyle had plenty of highlights.
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2012/jun/20/live-from-bill-self-basketball-camp-seco/?utm_campaign=ljtweet&utm_source=ljtweet&utm_medium=ljtweet
Turns out this Doyle kid might just be that diamond in the rough after all. Maybe not the next MJ, but a solid Jeff Hawkins or Tyrel. I'd take that any day.
ZIG 12 months ago
Jeff Hawkins orTyrel?
You are one of my favorite posters, Kong, but I'm having a hard time w/ that comparison. Both hard workers who earned court time that way?
konkeyDong 12 months ago
You hit the nail on the head, ZIG.
Strikewso 12 months ago
Frankamp!!!
dtdjayhawk 12 months ago
Doyle to Traylor, the Chicago Connection...I like the sound of that, Tait !
BayHawkaholic 12 months ago
The Elevation
jaybate 12 months ago
Often the closer in a quote betrays the most important point by a speaker.
Self mentioned Kevin's 2 for 2 trifectation last.
Inference: Self plans to scheme this year's offense for more trey shooting out of the four with Withey staying down low.
It makes sense. Self has Perry Ellis with 43% trey gun. If Kevin can make treyz, too, KU is two deep and can sustain pulling one of the other team's two bigs out of the paint and thus prevent doubling Jeff with length.
If Jeff adds weight below the belt to hold position on the low block, as planned, and Kevin and Perry can draw the four outside, Jeff will hold big mua most games.
But this means Self's Perimeter guys, especially his three, have to get on the glass.
Travis has the bounce and strength to do this job as a starter for sure.
But imagine if Kevin could hit the trey reliably from the 4, and Self brought Perry in to give Travis a blow, or brought Kevin in for Trav's blow and had Perry at the 4.
This line up would both open up the lane for Jeff AND allow KU to dominate the offensive glass. It would be awesome for short stretches!
The key this year is going to be crafting an offense that prevents opponents from doubling and telling Jeff, or that makes them pay massively from trey for doing so. Jeff is not as strong as TRob, so Self has to find a way to force opponents to double Jeff with wings.
jaybate 12 months ago
Self says there are backup minutes to be won on the perimeter and says Doyle will compete for them. He adds Doyle isn't a true PG, but can play some point.
If EJ, BenMac and Trav are starters, then Self is looking for two players to give starters at the 1,2 and 3 10 minutes of rest per game.
Assuming Perry and Kevin may often get the backup minutes at the three, the inference is that Milton, and everyone else, are mostly competing for minutes at the 1and 2.
And since Andrew White has a trey gun and decent D, and Milton lacks a trey, the two seems Andrew's to backup. Andrew may also backup the 3, when Self wants to stay small and have a defense stretcher there.
This leaves mainly the point for Milton to compete for backup minutes at.
Milton has played PG his entire career.
So has Naadir.
Milton has to get stronger, as all freshman do, thus sprakt Selfathustra.
Naadir, those backup minutes remain yours if you can guard.
Milton will just be a practice combo in waiting.
Fail to guard, and you will be a practice PG.
wrwlumpy 12 months ago
I agree with all of the above, however, if Milton is better than Naadir in controlling turn overs, he will be the tall back-up at PG. If he can absorb the basics of the defense early, then he will get the kind of minutes that Kevin got last year.
JayDogger 12 months ago
I'm not sure why people think Perry won't play PF this year. We're deeper with experience in the backcourt, and though he is a freshman he is probably a better scorer in the post than Traylor, Young, Wesley and Peters (I assume Lucas will mostly back up Withey).
And as far as his "trey gun," according to MaxPreps Perry only shot 16 three-pointers his senior year and made 7. That may be 43%, but I don't seem him as a perimeter player just yet.
IMO, Ellis will develop into a SF and play that at the next level, but for now his strengths are at PF which is also where this team's need is now and probably next year too.
jaybate 12 months ago
Jaydogger
Self and Perry and Perry's HS coach started the rumor during Perry's recruitment.
Why do you suppose they did that, if Perry were going to just be a 4?
I have been curiouser and curiouser. :-)
Counting KY, Perry, Jamari, Justin, Jeff, Zach, and Landon, Self has 7 bigs!
Self never uses more than 3-4 bigs.
His best recruit and best returning 4 can swing 3 and 4. Why in the world wouldn't he swing them, when he has 7 bigs to play?
Heck, he could play them at the three full time, red shirt another big, and still have 4 bigs!
Work with me on this. :-)
EJ, BenMac, Travis are locks, when healthy. But who would make us stronger subbing at the 3? White, Milton, Naadir, or Perry? :-)
Perry.
And who would make us stronger backing at the 2? White, Milton, or Naadir?
White.
And that leaves Milton and Naadir in a dogfight for backup minutes at the 1.
JayDogger 12 months ago
I see your point, I just wonder if any of the other Bigs are good enough to start at the 4. I was assuming White would sub at the 3 with some minutes by Young (and that Ellis starts at the 4). Is Traylor closer to Wesley or T-Rob? I think Peters will good but he's not going to start as a freshman.
So now the question to you is: who starts at the 4? If you say Perry or Young then I doubt that guy will also play the 3, but the other guy probably will. If you say Traylor then you got him starting with senior Young and HUGE recruit Ellis starting games on the bench. I just don't see the latter happening.
I know there are more guys in the rotation early on, but I see five backcourt guys getting most of the minutes by February: EJ, Ben, Releford, Tharpe and White (with Young maybe getting some time at the 3). I think the frontcourt will be split more so than usual: Withey, Ellis, Lucas and Traylor and/or Young.
I'm no expert, but in lieu of actually watching and finding out speculating is all we can do. And I value your thoughts and those of other posters. It's not as much fun as watching and finding out, but it's still fun to have something to read/write about nonetheless.
I wonder if HCBS: a) is pondering and losing sleep over this b) already knows the answers to these questions c) or if he just takes a wait-and-see attitude and realizes it will work itself out in practice and during game time?
HighEliteMajor 12 months ago
I can accept all of this. But why would you even think that White would play in front of Milt at the 2? Or that Ellis would be in front of Milt at the 3? White doesn't look near as tough as Milt. I'm not sure if White looks like a player. And Ellis isn't a shooter, and played in Kansas. Not the vaunted Chicago public league.
I see it this way:
The arguments here have been compelling. Gems like this rarely present themselves like Milt has. He's not here to sit on the bench. I just see it in his eyes (and the video clips). He means business. A kid from the mean streets of Chicago. His high school coach knows talent. And he hit two three pointers in the scrimmage the other day.
I did see where Anrio Adams' coach said that if all goes well, Adams will start at the point this season. He compared Adams to Dwayne Wade.
I do think it's realistic that Adams and Doyle start over EJ and McLemore this season. We'd then have Dwayne Wade and Russell Westbrook (as I recall a poster compared Doyle to).
That could end up being the best backcourt in KU history. Mark it down.
JayDogger 12 months ago
Ha! Funny again, HEM. I enjoy your wit and sarcasm (e.g. #5).
As you know, nobody is actually saying Milt is the next Russell Westbrook, they're just saying he isn't Merv.
As I posted above, I don't think Milt will be a serious rotation player this year, but he will be breathing down Tharpe's neck as best he can. And he may surprise, whether it be this year or his third year.
He's not a scrub, he's not a four-year starter, what he is and will be remains to be seen. You don't know, I don't know, HCBS (probably) doesn't know. Milt and his brother may think they know but they are hardly objective, and at this point neither are you.
It's up to Milt. I for one hope for the best and think he has a legit shot at being a helluva player, but if it doesn't work out then someone else will lace up shoes for our Jayhawks.
79hawker 12 months ago
Young will be starting at the four at the beginning of the year. CS won't let us lose too many early games due to the problems all of these freshman will encounter. Having McLemore starting is probably a given.
Given what I have seen from the guys coming back from last year, and how last year played out with those guys, I am going to predict this as our starting lineup and depth at each position.
1 - Johnson - Tharpe 2 - McLemore - White/Doyle 3 - Releford - White/ Doyle 4 - Young - Ellis 5 - Withey - Lucas
I think Traylor and Peters will see limited playing time but could very well work their way into the rotation but doubtful. Wesley as well but we have seen just about everything he can offer at this point on the court. As the season goes on CS will figure out who plays the best with each other in certain scenarios and such. I would bank on seeing this lineup however with our starters seeing quite a few minutes...hope that knee is feeling strong EJ cause we are gonna need it to hold up.
Jeeveshawk 12 months ago
Of all the Chicago natives Doyle could be compared to, Mario Little is likely his ceiling. He most likely will never be a starter, but he may be a sixth or seventh man later in his career.
JayDogger 12 months ago
Does anyone know what Mario Little is up to these days? I always thought he had some pro potential because he looked like a pretty big guard. I noticed he hasn't been back in Lawrence recently (as far as I know). He never seemed like he had the greatest head on his shoulders but I wish him well.
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