Friday, June 15, 2012

Bill Self a fan of new recruiting rule


A new NCAA rule that will allow unlimited phone calls and texts to recruits who have finished their sophomore year in high school begins today. The old rule allowed just one call a month and no texts.

“I think it’s good,” KU coach Bill Self said Thursday on the Big 12 summer coaches teleconference. “Anytime you can put yourself in a situation where there’s more communication, where you get a chance to know families and recruits better ... that is nothing but positive. It should help a ton in the long run over the course of a recruitment of any player. I think it’s going to be more work for coaches, but I think the good far outweighs the bad.”

Coaches this summer are allowed to work two hours a week with their players in a group practice setting.

“I think it will be beneficial from not just a playing standpoint but academic standpoint,” he said. “You get to have a chance to have more contact with your guys. Whenever you have more contact, kids do better in school. It’s a proven fact. Why do kids do better first semester than second? When the season is over, there’s not as much contact.”

KU will be allowed to hold 10 practices in July leading up to the foreign trip to Switzerland and Paris. Self said he’s looking forward to the practice time more than the games against pro teams in Europe.

“We can get a feel for some things our guys can do in our schemes and maybe adjust some things,” Self said. “I think it’ll be beneficial for us and hopefully give us an opportunity to be better early in the season because we will have four seniors and after that basically one sophomore and the rest freshmen. It’s kind of a weird dynamic. The extra practices can help us quite a bit.”

Schedule update: Kansas University’s basketball team will play Richmond on Dec. 18 in Allen Fieldhouse and Oregon State on Nov. 30 in Kansas City’s Sprint Center, KU schedule-maker Larry Keating said Thursday. The Jayhawks will play Temple and Colorado at home to begin a home-and-home series. Also, KU will travel to Ohio State and play Michigan State in Atlanta. The entire nonconference schedule should be announced in the near future.

No news on Adams, Doyle: Self was asked if Seattle Rainier Beach High combo guard Anrio Adams would be joining the team soon. “Nothing’s been official yet. He is finishing up schoolwork, so without saying too much, I’ll just leave it at that. Obviously he has to finish a couple things before anything can really happen,” Self said.

Adams and Milton Doyle, a guard from Chicago, are expected to receive KU scholarships only if they qualify academically through the NCAA Clearinghouse.


Michael Sillman 1 year, 10 months ago

I don't agree with Jaybate regarding Kevin Young. At the end of last year, Young displayed a special talent that coaches will kill for: offensive rebounding. And he did it against high quality teams in the post season. His passing wasn't bad either.

Good offensive rebounders are a rare breed. You need the quickness to get around the box outs, desire, and that innate ability to predict where the rebound is going while the shot is still in the air.

If Young can continue to hit the offensive boards, adds a bit more muscle and avoids last year's silly fouls, he will be a 30+ minute per game guy. Certainly if Ellis can pull down rebounds on the offensive end plus be a scorer in the half court set, he'll take minutes from Young but that's a tall order for any freshman.


jaybate 1 year, 10 months ago

Post script:

Justin is a dark horse in this bunch, but he needs to put on 15 more pounds if he wants to play. I am not at all down on him as some are. I think he will become a factor the minute anyone in the first four gets slowed by an injury. Justin is 6-8, or 6-9 and he has guarded the post adequately at times; that counts for a lot given this vertically challenged bunch of incomings. The newbies will get the early work against the cupcakes, but then I look for Justin to slowly grind his way back into being a 15 minute man--a third 5 that gets used during the Saturday Monday stretch.

Jamari is a wild card. Self said he might have started him last season had Jamari not had to sit. If he is a real Dennis Rodman, TRob kind of boarding machine, then I could see him becoming a starter along side Jeff. But I've always doubted that Jamari was that good. IMHO, 6-7, 215 pound 4s are a waste of time, except when you need to go small, say against Travis Ford's runts.

Bottom line: Self has to get a rebounder into the 4 at all costs, an enforcer. Jamari could be that guy, but its a long, long shot with what the recruiting cat dragged in.


jaybate 1 year, 10 months ago

The short take on how the bigs unfold is:

a) a tough rebounder and scorer has to play with Jeff on the first string; and

b) a tough rebounder and defender has to play play the second string 5, when KY is the second string 4.

The rest sit.

The longer version goes like this.

It seems improbable that KU can play Withey, 235, and KY, 185, in the paint more than symbolically for a few minutes at a time, so as to let the freshman know they can't just walk in and take a spot.

Withey could not take and sustain an offensive position on the blocks against anyone on UK, nor even against Kim English.

KY could run and jump around, but he also could not sustain a position on the blocks.

Self can't start two guys that can't even sustain on the blocks in a high-low offense. It won't hunt against any teams but cupcakes.

Inference, Jeff starts and has a tough rebounder in tandem with him.

Kevin is second string 4, and needs a heavy duty rebounder playing the 5.

Once conference starts Perry has to be starting at the 4, Zach's got to be the first big off the bench for Jeff, and KY comes into fill for Perry.

KY and Jamari will fight it out to back up Perry. One of the two is going to wind up sitting quit a bit.

Landon is a red shirt.


Ralster Jayhawk 1 year, 10 months ago

HEM, I liked your take. But I have to ask the kusports poster community at-large here: this "height discrepancy" thing is driving me crazy! I understand rosters 'hedge' on true heights for obvious reasons, but I gotta say 2 things: 1) Why dont schools under-represent all heights by 2 inches, or maybe only a few key player heights. For example, list Ben McLemore as 6'2" instead of his actual 6'5"? Instead of listing TRob as 6'9", list him at 6'7". Why not 'lie' the other direction. This would give us the matchup advantage. Who wouldnt want 2 extra inches in their hip pocket? This way it is a nasty surprise to the opponent at gametime, as no one is really going out to tape measure the players. Current convention to list them 'longer' than they are turns out to be a negative from every aspect--and especially at NBA combine events. Its like we got 'exposed'--for the worst. Why not get exposed for the better? (Obviously, I'll leave out the 3rd option--> the truth! List the exact player height within 1/2").
2) This whole discrepancy makes it hard for me to analyze different matchups. If, for example, Traylor isnt the 6'8, 240# beast we think he is, but actually 6'6...then whats the difference between him and 6'6 White (who may have greater range, rebounding, and offensive skills). So where do we pencil in Traylor??? (see what I mean).


Jack Wilson 1 year, 10 months ago

Leonard pointed out the quote above:

“I think it’ll be beneficial for us and hopefully give us an opportunity to be better early in the season because we will have four seniors and after that basically one sophomore and the rest freshmen. It’s kind of a weird dynamic. The extra practices can help us quite a bit."

Wesley is a junior .. hmmm.

Conclusion: Wesley won't play. He was a body last season and Self sees better bodies. When he played last season, there were only flashes that he should be out there. But those flashes were very limited and he has no real upside. But he was crucial last season as a body. This season we have more bodies that are options. And they need to develop.

Ok. 1) Withey 2) EJ 3) Releford 4) KY. My opinion, and Oakville's (that cite is to lend credibility to my opinion), is that all seniors are starters to begin the season. McLemore gets the 5th spot. Ellis and Tharpe next. Likely Traylor (who I'm guessing is really a Richard Scott-esq 6-6 in shoes). That's 8. Ellis will start over KY at some point .. whether it's game one, or beginning game 7. If he doesn't displace KY .. unless KY grows the 'fro a little bit and does his best Iceman routine .. that will be a big blow.

But the most interesting battle will be for the 9th rotation spot. Peters vs. Lucas. Lucas is no 6'10". He and Peters both seem to be in the 6'8" range.

Who's betting that defense will decide that one?

But I don't think one will get a redshirt. Self has to see which one is more effective, and that won't be determined until a number of games in. Heck, maybe not until mid-season.


LAJayhawk 1 year, 10 months ago

I posted this link above, but for anyone who actually wants to understand more about the rule change, this gives some decent information. Would have been nice if LJWorld would have given us more background on it all:

I think Bob Huggins actually summed up the rule change quite well:

"You know, honestly, I think it's just too hard to keep track of," West Virginia coach Bob Huggins said. "If you can't legislate it, if you can't enforce it then you probably ought to just go ahead and make it legal. I think that's kind of what happened with Prohibition."


jaybate 1 year, 10 months ago


~Cell phone rule change:

Good--Awesome opportunity for sale of a lot of automated calling software to athletic departments.

Bad--legalizing cheating means either the NCAA made a stupid rule, or the NCAA no longer cares about what is best for the student athletes and their families.

~Adding summer practice time:

Good--summer school grades will improve.

Bad--subtle first step in laying foundation for expanding summer exhibition basketball season to generate more revenue to cover the cost of having the kids come to school in summer rather than fall. Got to get them practiced up to play these pre-season exhibitions over seas that will one day generate some gate and broadcast revenue, and promote the players to the European pro scouts, and underwrite some recruiting over seas. Why pay for anything, when you can work the kids a little harder and get them to generate the money?

~Adding the Richmond Spiders:

Good--team needs early exposure to the Princeton.

Bad--team can be upset by early exposure to the Princeton.

~Adding Oregon State

Good--Raises KU's recruiting profile in Portland.

Bad--If Romney loses, beating the first lady's brother may make Obama pick against KU again.

~No news on Doyle and Adams:

Good--No news is sometimes good news.

Bad--No news is sometimes bad news.

~Sadler hiring:

Good News--likely economic stimulus when Doc is forced to retool his wardrobe for KU game days.

Bad News--Doc may waste too much time throwing darts at picture of Dr. Tom to direct basketball opps.

~Keith Langford's 40+ points:

Good--KLang is exactly what this team needs.

Bad--he is no longer eligible.

~Having Jayhawks on both NBA finalists:

Good--a Jayhawk wins another ring.

Bad--a Jayhawk loses another ring and probably gets traded.

~Joe Dooley getting passed over for a head job again:

Good--he's back on our side.

Bad--he won't be for much longer.

~Having jlost1972, who never graduated from KU, apparently off his meds:

Good--he's posting again

Bad--reactionary dementia isn't pretty.


vhgawith 1 year, 10 months ago

these recruits are not promised playing time under coach self...they have to earn it, many are not looking for that, they want playing time now.


oldalum 1 year, 10 months ago

It has been stated many times on this board that it's easier for Calipari simply because he needs a new team every year, so the one-and-dones can feel pretty sure they are going to get plenty of playing time immediately. From Bill they hear that they will need to work hard and beat someone else for a position.


Michael Maris 1 year, 10 months ago

In regards to Anrio Adams and Milton Doyle, it sure seems mystifying that KU's staff continues to go after these kids that are academically questionable. Shouldn't last year have taught the KU Staff to lay off of these academically suspisous kids? Sure, the roster will be fuller this year (than last year). But, the past issues with this situation seems to be getting no better. If you are going to fill holes with roll-playing individuals, then why not scour the Juco Ranks in Kansas, Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, etc.... Darius Johnson-Odom (former Marquette player) was in Hutchinson, Kansas (when KU needed a guard). DJO was already academically qualified. But, he wasn't recruited very highly out of Highschool. So, he went to the Juco route. KU needed guards then (when DJO signed with Marquette). Sometimes, Self's style of recruiting baffles me. I do not question his coaching abilities (at all). But, why does he have such a hard time in getting the elite recruits to come to KU. Looking at Kentucky's roster, there were 3 players (Terrence Jones, Kyle Wiltjers and Doron Lamb) on the Kentucky roster that Self and staff were recruiting. Yet, KU get's none of them. In the past 2 Kentucky Rosters, there have been 4 players (with Brandon Knight). Instead, KU got Josh Selby (instead of Doron Lamb or Brandon Knight). Baffling.


jgkojak 1 year, 10 months ago

How about this rule-

you are allowed one phone contact or text a month. You are allowed one in home visit per year. And NO CONTACT prior to Junior Year of HS. You are allowed one official on-campus recruiting visit ever. Period.

These prima donna HS players don't need all this attention lavished on them.

Oh, and violating these rules... automatic suspension from coaching your team for 1 game for every violation. Done.


jgkojak 1 year, 10 months ago

Kelvin Sampson is kicking himself.


bennybob 1 year, 10 months ago

Of course Self likes the new recruiting rule. Now he'll be on even playing ground with the Kelvin Sampsons of the world who never adhered to the old rule in the first place.

Whats the NCAA's policy on a coach following a recruit on twitter and friending them on facebook, assuming no communication is made?

Can a coach retweet? can he "like" a post?

Look up John Callipari's twitter and compare it to Self's, Callipari is much more active in the modern forms of communication, its probably part of the reason he's so good at recruiting.


William Blake 1 year, 10 months ago

Yes... great rule change. I'd write more but have to get back to texting recruits for the rest of the day.


kerbyd 1 year, 10 months ago

To quote nuleaf, "Your avatar is something real special and lethal".


KUFan90 1 year, 10 months ago

Or maybe he is thinking of changing his name from "Kevin" to "Kelvin".


ttoulouse 1 year, 10 months ago

Somewhere Kevin Sampson is going, "Really? Now you change that friggin' rule?"


leonard 1 year, 10 months ago

"...we will have four seniors and after that basically one sophomore and the rest freshmen. It’s kind of a weird dynamic." - Coach Self

Here's hoping that Junior-Justin Wesley can change that dynamic.


up4par2000 1 year, 10 months ago

This Jayhawk Team is sculpting into something real special and lethal. ROCK CHALK CHAMPIONSHIP!!!


chi_town24 1 year, 10 months ago

Milton will be at ku next year. I'm starting to understand people on here have NO idea what there're talking about. So from now on I will sit back and read all the speculation with no credible sources, but my brother will be a jayhawk people.


KULA 1 year, 10 months ago

Unlimited texts to 16 yr olds? That's kinda creepy. Is this what recruiting has come to? I guess I'm just old school.


ukanjhox 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm confused as to why LJW keep saying Doyle's "expected" to be a Jayhawk. Back before the Doyle family stopped talking to the media, they said they were not offered a scholarship on the trip. I've yet to hear anyone say otherwise, other than the LJW.


KUfanInFlorida 1 year, 10 months ago

Richmond, Temple and Oregon State....sound like cream puffs. I was hoping they would make a tougher schedule.


KEITHMILES05 1 year, 10 months ago

Doyle will not be at KU next year.


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