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Originally published June 7, 2012 at 05:22p.m., updated June 7, 2012 at 05:45p.m.

Merv Lindsay transferring to University of New Mexico

Former KU basketball player decides while on campus visit

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Former Kansas University basketball player Merv Lindsay on Thursday orally committed to the University of New Mexico at the conclusion of his recruiting trip to the Albuquerque, N.M., school.

Lindsay, a 6-7, 195-pound small forward from Moreno Valley, Calif., will practice but not play in games next season and be eligible during the 2013-14 campaign.

He averaged 2.2 minutes a game in 12 games this past season, scoring 11 points.

He reported his commitment via text message, then later was reached by phone for comment by the Journal-World.

“I felt really good there, very comfortable,” Lindsay said. “I liked everything about the place — the coaches, players. I didn’t have any complaints, none at all. It’s a family atmosphere.

“I’m going to use the year off to work on everything that is wrong with my game, get in the weight room and improve so I’ll be ready to contribute to the team the following season.”

For more on the story, see Friday's Journal-World and kusports.com.

Comments

Martin Rosenblum 2 years, 5 months ago

Don't worry Merv, Tyler Self will send you anything you might have left in your locker.

Good luck in New Mexico. Hope you have good experiences there. We'll be following you like we have others who left the program.

RJ King 2 years, 5 months ago

Tyler, or any of the other walk-ons, has nothing to do with Merv's transfer.

texashawk10 2 years, 5 months ago

This is a very good fit for Merv. He seemed to have pretty solid fundamentals when he got to play, but just didn't have the talent to play many minutes at a place KU. The Mountain West has always seemed like a better fit for someone with size and skill set and New Mexico has been one of the best teams in that conference for quite a while. Good luck in the Pit Merv and hope you have a good career for the Lobos.

Michael Thorp 2 years, 5 months ago

Best of luck at New Mexico Merv! texashawk- nice avatar.

REHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Merv, the last Jayhawk to transfer to the Lobos did quite well for himself and that program. His last year under Steve Alford, he ended up as a first round draft pick. He did possess some extraordinary hoops skills from the getgo, but faced some derailments which you have not ventured into. Anyway, best of luck in New Mexico. Lots of the Jayhawk Nation will keep an eye on your progress and cheer for your success. This transfer offers a second year for you to grow and polish skills. I hope to see you earning substantial minutes in the fall of 1913.

chicagojayhawk87 2 years, 5 months ago

Is J.R. Giddens the new "he who must not be named". I didn't hate the guy, he made some bad mistakes and paid for them.

But seriously Alford is a good guy to play for. Good luck Merv!

Cantkeepagooddudedown 2 years, 5 months ago

I hated the guy. Just as much for how he acted on the court.

Act like you made a trey before... at least once in your life.

RJ King 2 years, 5 months ago

Isn't Alford the "he who must not be named" guy for Bob Knight? (Him and Kentucky.) Ya, Cantkeepa. I wanted to fall for Giddens too, but he just seemed defiant. Bill would've had an aneurysm if he'd stayed.

KGphoto 2 years, 5 months ago

"...the fall of 1913." Lol.

I bet he'd be kickin' @ and taking names for W.O. Hamilton about then. Him and Lefty Sproull.

Curtis Stutz 2 years, 5 months ago

Good deal Merv, Alford is a sound coach with a lot of experience and the Pit is a great place for basketball. Just stay out of trouble, eat lots of green chili and enjoy the ABQ, it's a very cool place.

conlawgrad 2 years, 5 months ago

Isn't New Mexico where J.R. Giddens went? Interesting choice.

cool_beans 2 years, 5 months ago

good luck man. it's a good school. i bet all the hottie new mexico girls go to school there.

chicagojayhawk87 2 years, 5 months ago

Jayhawk fans who want too see good things happen for people who tried to make them happen at KU. Are you mad at him for leaving? If so you should be more mad at Self for recruiting him (which is ridiculous). Merv was never going to be an impact player, especially with the recruits we have coming in.

akl6593 2 years, 5 months ago

I care...Merv seemed to be a good kid and very supportive of his team. I hope he lands on his feet. I've never heard him say (or tweet) anything negative about KU. Good Luck Mr. Lindsay!

mgonzo182 2 years, 5 months ago

You cared to read the article. So maybe you did a little. Good luck Merv!

John Randall 2 years, 5 months ago

Who? Well, true Jayhawk fans for a start. Are you trying to disqualify yourself?

If your "I'm to cool to care" attitude keeps spreading and 'swagg' is more important than support, Snob Hill may have to relocate to Durham.

When players recruited to KU move on, for whatever reason, it serves to improve KU image among future recruits if they are successful. Doesn't do a lot for fans who want to flaunt themselves, but does help keep up the reputation of the program as one that doesn't just dump guys we don't need.

KEITHMILES05 2 years, 5 months ago

You were a great cheerleader for your team and always there giving encouragement.

You are a quality young man and hope you can continue developing to reach your goals.

squawkhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Just what every college basketball player wants to hear, "you were a great cheerleader".

DDDHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Good luck, Merv! KU Fans will always have you in our hearts!

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Subract Merv Lindsey.

Add Milton Doyle.

What an odd trade.

It vexes me.

Merv is good enough for Alford to want not only to use up a scholie on him, but also to let him burn up a year sitting out.

But on the other hand, Merv is not good enough to be preferable to Milton Doyle at KU.

KU only has two credible 3's on this year's team: Travis and Andrew White. And only Andrew is supposed to be a natural trey shooter and defense stretcher from the the three. And the year after, KU has Frankamp, a two, and Greene, a 2-3 type, coming, so KU will still only be two deep at the 3.

So: Self looks at this coming year and the following one and says, "I want Milton Doyle, a point guard. I don't want a third 6-7 three, even though Andrew White views himself as a two.

Unless: Perry Ellis really is going to play 3, or swing 3 to 4.

Hmmm, I wonder.

Maybe Merv had to go to make room for Perry to split time with Travis maybe two thirds Travis and one third Perry at the 3.

And maybe when Perry is at the three, Trav may fill for BenMac, so that Trav gets his 30-35mpg, while BenMac is going through his fitful growth phase.

And maybe New Mexico gets a guy who might have been good enough to play some at KU, and maybe that's why Alford is taking Merv in.

Maybe?

Merv, we hardly knew ye.

Dirk Medema 2 years, 5 months ago

35 mpg? Sherron (08-09) is the only one that has averaged 35 mpg during the time that Self has been here. 4 guys were playing 30+ mpg last year because we had no depth, but only 04-05 even comes even close (3 guys w/ 30+). More likely is that there will be one (13 in 8 yrs) guy (EJ) that gets 32 mpg (avg), maybe Travis in the low 30's also, then lots in the 20's and teens.

Ooops, now seeing that "30-" on the previous line. Personnaly, I still think Travis will have too much competition on the wing to have his D carry him to 30-35 mpg.

dylans 2 years, 5 months ago

Good luck Merv! I hope to see you crack the starting line up soon.

COHawk10 2 years, 5 months ago

@Jaybate What about Benny Mac? Isn't he the starting 3?

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

COHawk10 may be referring to a post I made a month or so ago. I proposed that if Travis were to get his trey gun accuracy goosed up, our strongest team might have him at the 2, and Perry at the 3, with BenMac coming in as the sixth man at the 2 and 3. My reasoning was that Travis could hold greater MUA at the 2 that at the 3, in most cases, Perry could be a monster MUA at the 3, and BenMac could be instant offense filling for both. I tried to make clear that while I thought my speculation might produce the strongest team, I doubted that Self would consider it.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

"A Summertime Perimeter Analysis"

I agree with ralster that BenMac and Trav will be starters at 2 and 3, i.e., on the wings.

But it is not yet clear to me which role each player will play as a wingman.

Self's tendency has been to start games with one wing a defense stretcher with a trey gun, and the other wing more of a get-to-the-rim guy.

What seems to make a guy a 2 vs. a 3 in Bill Self's combo universe is which one will tend to be asked to go rebound when extra board help is needed, and which one will tend to release in transition first.

Either of these players has the athleticism to release first along with a point guard.

But assuming BenMac has the trey gun claimed, and Trav has the boarding strength he showed last season, then BenMac plays 2 and Trav plays 3.

But about Travis' trey gun there is some uncertainty. Travis played injured last season, just as EJ did, even though Trav did not have to be scoped. Different kinds of injuries, but both involved wheels, and both saw their trey guns turn into misfiring saturday night specials, not the howitzer I expected from EJ and not the respectable mortar I expected from Travis.

Who does what and who gets how many minutes depends a lot on how Travis' trey gun shapes up this year.

Why?

Because Travis is seasoned wood. He was the stabilizing, settling influence on a 30+ win team that finished second to a pro team and might have beaten them on a good night.

Travis, if he gets his trey gun sighted in even to 38% accuracy could well be the go-get-a-basket guy on this perimeter. If he works on his dribble a bit over the summer, he could become one the most explosive offensive threat on the perimeter KU has ever had under Self.

And BenMac becomes the defense stretcher on the other side of the floor that keeps the middle open for Travis to tear apart an opponent.

Further, if Trav can trifcetate at 38%+, then it will make sense to rotate him to replace BenMac for stretches, while bringing Perry Ellis at the 3 to create a serious matchup problem for the opposing 3, and a serious matchup problem at the 2, also.

All I know is that if I were Trav, I would be squeezing off 500 treys a day this off season and dribbling everywhere I go including to the grocery store and on dates.

With a trey and a dribble, Travis is NBA bound.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Part Two

On the other palm, if Travis cannot shoot better than he showed last season, i.e., if a bad wheel were not the root of his problem, then Travis role would be glue again. And in a glue role, subbing Perry Ellis for Travis, would still make sense, because of the match-up problem it would cause opposing 3s, and BenMac's trey would keep stretching the defense for Perry to work.

Travis is a potentially great offensive basketball player that has been doing an extended apprenticeship in how to do become a total player. Travis performance last season was nothing short of spectacular in his glue role. Except for the trey shooting, he grew to the equal of Brady in every way (all of the intangibles, as well as all the fundamentals, plus exceeding him in athleticism) and he approached Brandon Rush's go anywhere, shut anyone down capacity on defense (though he could not match it because he is a long-necked 6-6 playing 6-4 and Brandon was a short necked 6-6 playing 6-8.

As you can tell, I am a big fan of Travis, since he became the settling influence on the team last season. He has athleticism out the kazoo in amounts we have not yet seen him unleash on a regular basis. But he now is a real basketball player in every respect. And a man among quite a few boys this season.

EJ will be the team leader in the sense of running the team, but Travis will be the bedrock foundation of this team. It will go something like Tyshawn and Thomas last season. EJ will do what Tyshawn did. But Travis will become the gunny, which he practically was at times last season, whenever Thomas was really out of sync. EJ will lead, but Travis will likely become the guy that people look to when its coming down so hard you need a hat.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Part Three

BenMac is for me a wild card kind of the way Xavier and Josh were. I haven't seen him play. Everyone thinks he is extraordinary. He probably is. But Self rarely turns the twin roles of leadership guy and foundation guy to newbies. He turned the team over to Rush his first season, but he had second year RR to run it, and newbie Mario pick up some slack. Other than that, Self has opted for experience and crafting narrow roles for the super talents their first seasons.

Xavier mostly stretched defenses at the three. Josh might have been a wing point had injuries not shut him down so much. In neither case, was Self willing to turn things over to a short timer.

What do Xavier and Josh tell us about BenMac?

If BenMac were as good as X and Josh, they would start in narrowly crafted roles that make the most of their strengths, but don't make them be leaders, or foundations. And he might see 20-30mpg depending on need, but Self would be working longer term players in to keep developing them for sure.

If BenMac were not as good as those two, then we are apt to see Self use him as either a 20 minute starter, or a 20-30 minute sixth man off the bench.

Still, for me, the two big issues looming are:

a) can Trav get up to 38% from trey; and

b) will EJ's knee really recover.

Trav I have already covered.

EJ needs some 'splainin' Lucy.

Everyone is confident EJ will heal completely.

But to what baseline?

Slayr pointed out that EJ had a bum shoulder two seasons ago that might have accounted for his sub 40% trey shooting last season that was horrible for an extended stretch, just as Brady's was the season before. But Brady recovered to 40% and EJ did not.

So EJ has a bum shoulder from two seasons back that might restrict his trey gun, and/or he has a scoped knee that might restrict his trey gun.

Even one restriction is worrisome for a shooter. Look what happened to dead eye Tyrell Reed's phenomenal 40%+ gun, when he had to play with a foot injury his senior year. Two restrictions could well have done to EJ's trey gun what we saw last season.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Erratum:

"If BenMac were as good as X and Josh, they would start in narrowly crafted roles that make the most of their strengths, but don't make them be leaders, or foundations."

It should read: If BenMac were as good as X and Josh, he would start in a narrowly crafted role that make the most of his scoring strengths, but not be made the leader, or the foundation guy.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Part Four

EJ shows all signs of being a great three point shooter, when healthy, not just a streaky one. His stroke shows signs of potentially becoming Self's best trey gun at KU. Think about it. He shot mid 30s with perhaps two injuries hampering him. God only knows how much he would improve were he healthy.

But will he be healthy?

Will his knee heal, but his shoulder restrict him?

Or will his knee not restore to full function, but his shoulder restore to full function?

Or will he be restricted in both regards?

It is clear to me after last season that EJ will play point even if he can't operate with a fully restored knee and shoulder.

EJ was faster than most even when injured last season, so he is almost certain to be our starter even if he can't play at his very best. He is that good. But he could be prone to further injury with this, and so whoever backs him up better be ready to see some stretches of extensive duty.

But a healthy EJ could become KU's version of Oscar Robertson. Not saying he can equal Oscar, because Oscar was as rare as Wilt, Russell, West, Kareem, Walton and Jordan.

But EJ is an inch taller, as good of a defender, a better trey shooter (when well), a better ball handler, and (after the first step) faster than Tyshawn. Tyshawn destroyed most everyone he faced last season. EJ probably will, too. He maybe come even tougher to stop than Tyshawn.

But that depends on just how tough EJ really is deep inside. Tyshawn had an inner toughness that was masked for many seasons by his outer softness and near artistic temperament. But when Self finally put the team on his back, Tyshawn took this team into the greatest adversities and never broke ever.

Does EJ have that kind of toughness?

We are about to find out.

I know too little about Andrew White and Anrio Adams to comment about them. I know too little about Naadir's off season progress to comment about him.

And of course all of this pertains to the perimeter, not to the bigs, which are another can of worms for Self to manage...and post about, why learning to coach his son.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Erratum: Jeez, I'm rusty.

"which are another can of worms for Self to manage, while learning to coach his son.

And to post about."

Lance Hobson 2 years, 5 months ago

Ellis is a little on the soft side. Great kid, but he'll need to get a lot tougher to live up to Self's defensive teams.

chicagojayhawk87 2 years, 5 months ago

You know cuz you've seen him play so many college games? Give the kid a summer at KU and I guarantee he will be a hard player. Dunking on people like Lester Earl. Don't trip.

yovoy 2 years, 5 months ago

I really do think that ML could play, but he never really got a chance. I don't blame him for shooting it seemingly every time he touched it. I think he could've been groomed into a pretty decent sub. Could've been taught to defend, and could've been used to steal minutes for other guys. I liked his game, he was aggressive, even if not that over-the-top-talented like we are used to around here. I'm thinking that he'll get a chance to showcase some of his skillset that we never got to see here. At least I hope he gets to. Good luck, Merv.

I'm really thinking that Young is going to be more consistent next year. It's my hope that he MAKES someone take his minutes away, because that would mean that he's doing well in coaches' eyes, and it would mean that we will be able to depend on depth at the position that he'd be losing. His body language says that he LOVES to play, and he does lots of things that don't show up in the scorebook. I think it's pretty telling that he seemed to be in during crunch time to play some D. When we beat MU (I think), and he checked in for that last possession, the look and smile on his face was priceless.

Charles Shirley 2 years, 5 months ago

It is way too easy to assume that Merv Lindsay is leaving because Milton Doyle is coming. That equation is illogical. They are different types of players. Believe it or not, recruiting is not an exact science and every move is not tied to the others. Bill Self can only control so much. Also, believe it or not, the players themselves have some say in their own futures. It has seemed for a long time that Lindsay wanted more playing time and he did not see that in his future if he stayed at KU. It is as simple as that. He's not transferring to UNM under a cloud like Giddens, who carried his issues with him to UNM. Creating false melodrama to justify why a certain player arrives at KU or leaves KU is fun entertainment, but most of the time it is not based upon facts. Doyle's arrival and Lindsay's departure had nothing to do with each other. If Lindsay can find more playing time in New Mexico for Alford then that is great opportunity for Lindsay. It does not reflect poorly on Self or Doyle--that is a false premise. I look forward to following Lindsay's progress at UNM. I'm also looking forward to watching Doyle play for KU. Chill out and don't read so much into these changes. These young men are just trying to decide what is right for them.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

I am going to take a moment to argue with an apparent idiot in hopes of illustrating a few flaws of reasoning to others, and knowingly risk others not being able to tell the difference. :-)

To begin, you have concocted quite an elaborate (and silly) straw argument for yourself to punch holes in. A straw man argument is an informal fallacy in which one inaccurately portrays the argument of another, so that one can then poke holes in the validity of it and so discredit an opponent.

Stop yourself. :-)

Next, the degree of ease in assumptions and reasoning is irrelevant to an argument's validity. If assumptions were sound and reasoning were valid, greater ease in assumptions and/or reasoning (or lesser) would not invalidate it, would it? I don't recall a fallacy in argument called the "argument ad facilitas" fallacy. Do you? :-)

Next, I didn't posit an equation, so for you to say I did posit an equation is patently false and kind of crazy. It seems to betray either disingenuousness, or some fatuousness (and perhaps some of both.)

Next, I want to take a moment and parse one your sentences that is one of the most confused (and confusing) sentences I have ever read.

And that is saying something, because I am old and have read a lot.

"Believe it or not, recruiting is not an exact science and every move is not tied to the others." --HousJHawk

First, what does it mean to "believe...recruiting is not an exact science and every move is not tied to the others?"

Let's marvel at the confusion of this assertion for a moment.

Everything not science is a pretty big set, isn't it? This set would include "recruiting is very very imprecise," but it would also include "recruiting is very, very nearly science, but not a science." Which is it? Heck, this set could also include "recruiting is masturbation with barbed wire in November with Brahms playing." Did you mean to include that, too?

Next, you also sought further to conflate things by including a set of "not believing," when you said "believe it, or not."

So let's examine this set a moment.

You asserted essentially: "I do not believe recruiting is not a science."

Hmmmm.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Note: as I reread my post, I think it might more accurate to say: on the condition that that someone does not believe recruiting is not a science. But this perhaps makes things even more confusing, so I will not go there. :-)

John Randall 2 years, 5 months ago

When has the level of confusion deterred you before?

This pretending that your posts serve some purpose beyond hubris rings quite false. According to my dictionary, that is disingenuous posturing in extremis.

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

Aw, c'mon, KU62, you promised to get your hemis trimmed before posting this off season. What's the idea of delaying the surgery? :-)

jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

What exactly does that mean?

I guess it means: I believe recruiting is a science.

But I thought you meant recruiting was not a science.

Which did you mean? Did you really mean both?

Or did you mean: I believe recruiting is very, very close to a science, but not a science?

Or did you mean: I very weakly believe recruiting is very, very near, or very very far from a science, but not a science?

My, my, but you do leave the set of what you mean rather wide open and in contradiction.

Or is it what you mean I mean? :-)

And I have not even begun to deal with the last part of this ridiculous sentence of yours, where you say "believe it or not...every move is not tied to every other move." :-)

Do you believe every move is not tied to every other move?

And do you simultaneously not believe ever move is not tied to every other move?

Good lord, is there anything you rule out, except that I reason with too much ease? :-)

I could go on and on like this with HousJHawk's post.

What I want readers to recognize is the ineffectually tendency HousJHawk has of arguing via negative assertions.

Not this.

Not that.

Not this and not that.

Believe it, or not, not this or not that.

Then after HousJHawk has thoroughly conflated every thing with negative assertions that enable confusing lack of specificity and outright contradiction, HousJHawk finally gets around to asserting something essentially without any credible, valid supporting reasoning.

And then HousJHawk chases it with a fatuously condescending "chill out and don't read so much into these changes..."

What is it about buck naked emperors being drawn to post boldly in summer? :-)

Get better at argument, HousJHawk. And no also that no one appointed you hall monitor here. The user agreement does not read: HousJHawk shall be the unitary decider about who needs to chill and about how much one is allowed to read into posts. I just ran a search of the user agreement. Your alias is not even mentioned. :-)

What I did say was subtracting Lindsey and adding Doyle vexes me. It still does. :-)

Post Script One: I would like to revise a small portion of my statement in the first paragraph of this two part post. I essentially called HousJHawk an apparent idiot. Let me be civil and substitute "an unpersuasive poster" for "apparent idiot." HousJHawk maybe brilliant in some ways that I have not yet experienced.

But even if HousJHawk were a pure idiot, I would defend his right to say his stupidities, while encouraging him to improve as I have.

Post Script Two: One or twice above I may have written "Stop yourself" to HousJHawk. I was wrong to tell HousJHawk to stop himself/herself. I meant to say get better at arguing. I am eager to be persuaded with reason and facts, because it means I get better.

Vernon Riggs 2 years, 5 months ago

"....Let me be civil and substitute 'an unpersuasive poster" for "apparent idiot.'..."

I think everyone understood that subtle unspoken consideration.

Charles Shirley 2 years, 5 months ago

Wow, you really need to get out of the house every now and again, jaybate! But your rambling discourse was fun to read. It just wasn't very intelligent--regardless of how many times you keep telling yourself and everyone that will listen that it is. Have a good day!

ohjayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Or, perhaps this is something that has been in the works for a while now. Maybe Merv told Coach that he was considering transferring, and that is why a scholarship was offered to Milton? The fact is we don't know, and, most likely, will never know for sure what happened. The point is that it appears it was a mutually-agreeable parting and we should wish Merv all the best and welcome Milton into the fold.

master16 2 years, 5 months ago

I think it's pretty simple... Lindsey wants more playing time, and sees a bunch of talented big men coming in so he wants to transfer. Doyle likes KU because of the coaching staff, the campus, the tradition (or whatever his reasons are).

I don't know why it matters if one leaving is causing the other to commit, or the other way around. Why try to complicate things that don't really matter? The kids know what they want and I'm positive HCBS and their parents will help them make the right decisions.

Bottom line, best of luck to both kids and the choices they make.

REHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Among all positions 1 thru 5, Travis will play the most minutes, if his body holds up, IMHO. He arrived in Lawrence with B+/A- talent, played well for USA summer bball, accepted the redshirt season, played an essential role in our 2011-12 spectacular winning season, and now enters his fifth season in a Jayhawk singlet. Bill Self knows to depend upon Trav's leadership and assumption of whatever role is necessary, game to game. Early on, Coach predicted that Travis would be a 1000 pt. scorer before he left KU. I have become a huge Travis Releford fan, and have enjoyed his long commitment to improving his total game under the guidance of outstanding coaching. He represents the type of player who will always keep Bill Self's program in the running for league titles and shots at Final Four opportunities. In a financial sense, Travis Releford is a rock solid sound dollar in a world of leaping and plunging equities. Here's hoping he finishes his Jayhawk career with a flourish and moves on to earn a fine income as a professional player.

Vernon Riggs 2 years, 5 months ago

While I am not advocating one way over the other. I am not sure that Doyle is a lock for a Kansas scholarship. I agree with Jaybate, the Merv for Doyle is an odd trade. When you look at the possible players that HCBS could have in 2013 with the fifth scholarship {after (1) Frankamp (lock), (2) Greene (lock), (3) Randle (long-shot) or Shepherd, (4) Barber} like:

Walker, Freeman, Parker (long-shot), Jordan, Rathan-Mayes, Lee, Lawrence

Is anyone sure that Doyle is even Kansas-bound?

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