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Friday, July 27, 2012

Kansas basketball rookies getting workout

Summer practices give newcomers crash course

Wichita Heights basketball player Perry Ellis stands after announcing his decision to attend Kansas on Wednesday, Sept. 21, in Wichita.

Wichita Heights basketball player Perry Ellis stands after announcing his decision to attend Kansas on Wednesday, Sept. 21, in Wichita.

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Kansas University’s basketball players have completed half of their NCAA-allocated 10 practices preceding an Aug. 6-14 tour of Switzerland and France.

The five workouts — which have run about two hours apiece — have definitely tested the squad’s six true freshmen and two freshman walk-ons.

“It’s a lot more physical than high school,” said Perry Ellis, a 6-foot-8, 225-pound freshman forward out of Wichita Heights. “We’ve got a great group of guys.

“I mean, it’s always fun going and competing with them,” Ellis added Thursday — the final day of KU’s second and final session of summer school.

Landen Lucas, a 6-10, 230-pound center out of Portland’s Westview High, reported that his first college workouts, “have been great. The competition on the floor is all you could ask for. It gets you better as a player.”

It should come as no surprise which KU upperclassmen have been leading the way.

“There are a lot of players that are around the same. I think the three main guys for us this year are going to be Trav (Travis Releford), Elijah (Johnson) and (Jeff) Withey, but I’m sure a lot of people already expect that,” Lucas said of the three KU seniors. Also on board is senior forward Kevin Young, who is beginning just his second year with the program after playing two years at Loyola Marymount.

“Elijah is very vocal,” Lucas said of the 6-4, 195-pound point guard from Las Vegas. “I think it (Johnson’s leadership) will be good to help this team because we’ve got a young team. Someone like that coming in and running point guard and being vocal is good.

“We’re going to shock a lot of people,” Lucas continued, referring to the newcomers. “A lot of us have a lot to prove. Each one of us does. I think we are all excited for the trip to France and excited to get the season started.”

Fifth-year senior Releford said he has been pleasantly surprised by the play of the large group of newcomers.

“Practice is going good so far. These young guys are catching on a lot faster than I thought they would coming in. I think that’s good progress for the team,” said the 6-6, 210-pounder from Kansas City, Mo. “This overseas trip can help out a lot as well. We will actually be able to play and put everything together.”

Releford was asked which new players are better than he expected.

“Most of them,” he said. “Andrew (White, 6-6, Miller School, Charlottesville, Va.) and Perry really stand out a lot. Andrew’s a real good shooter.”

Of inside players Ellis, Lucas and Zach Peters (6-9, 240, Plano, Texas), Releford said: “They are all good. They are coming along working with coach (assistant Norm) Roberts. I feel all the new guys coming in can help us a lot.”

Releford said offense has been a point of emphasis during the first five practices. The Jayhawks, like all teams, also are allowed an additional two hours a week practice time in accordance with new NCAA summer rules.

“It’s not near like the regular season,” Releford said. “It’s offense, offense, offense. Everything is offense. We haven’t broken down what we need to do on defense. He (coach Bill Self) is basically trying to get the young guys a good feel on how we want to do things.”

Releford grinned when asked if Self was intense at workouts.

“Of course he’s screaming. He’s a coach. He’s going to push us to get better and stay on us,” Releford said. “He’s not going to back off just because it’s not the real season.”

Johnson scrimmaging: Johnson, who had arthroscopic left knee surgery in mid-April, has been able to take part in scrimmage situations.

“He’s slowly getting stronger. He’s practiced and had reps,” Releford said. “He’s looking all right. You can tell he’s not 100 percent yet.”

Of 7-foot, 235-pound center Withey, Releford said: “He’s looked good. He’s been working on his game all summer, working a few camps (Amar’e Stoudemire and LeBron James). He’s continuing to get better.”

Just OK: Self was asked if there have been any obvious highlights in the five practices. “Nope. It’s just been OK,” he said, rating the workouts.

What a summer: It’s been at or near 100 degrees almost every day Oregonian Lucas has been on campus.

“It is hard, but you are learning how to stay hydrated,” Lucas said. “I spent that one year in Vegas (Findlay Prep his junior year) when it was 110 degrees every day. You learn little tips and different ways to stay hydrated and make sure you are not cramping when practice rolls around.”

He’s a big right now: Ellis has been working out with the bigs at practice. The McDonald’s All-American figures to play inside and out during his KU career.

“It’s good,” Ellis said of his role. “I want to do whatever I can to make the team better.”

Russell Robinson signs in Italy: Former KU point guard Russell Robinson has signed to play professional basketball next season with Angelico Pallacanestro Biella, the Italian club announced Thursday. Robinson averaged 13 points and three assists last season for Trabzonspor in Turkey.

Comments

Alohahawk 7 years, 1 month ago

The newbies schedule will change dramatically after they finish up the Euro trip and when the regular season finally arrives. If offense is being stressed now by HCBS, it will be the flip side of the coin in October. Plus, the freshmen will have boot camp to look forward to as well.

RCJHGKU in Europe, guys.

UmbertoConforti 7 years, 1 month ago

Cari appassionati di Angelico Pallacanestro Biella. Hai una buona tra Mr. Robinson. Lui è veloce, può guidare, è un grande giocatore difensivo e un buon tiratore. Vittoria a Angelico Pallacanestro Biella! Vittoria a Mr. Robinson. Viva Italia.

Steve Kubler 7 years, 1 month ago

Thanks to Google Translate

Dear fans of Basketball Angelico Biella. How good of Mr. Robinson. He is quick, can drive, it's a great defensive player and a good shooter. Basketball Victoria to Angelico Biella! Victory to Mr. Robinson. Viva Italy.

DDDHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Congratulations, Russell, and Good Luck!

Robert Brock 7 years, 1 month ago

Ha. Ellis thinks he is a 3. Most of the Big 12 3s are 6-4 and quick; Ellis can't guard 'em. Get comfortable playing the 4, Perry.

longhawk 7 years, 1 month ago

It's ALWAYS been this way in Self's time here. Lots of "tweeners," Bill touts them as a "3/4," and they always end up nearly exclusively as a 4. Few examples: Galindo, Wright, Marcus, perhaps Young, etc. He's the master salesman. "Sure, you'll play out on the wing!" And then, out of "necessity," they always play power forward.

Alex Resnik 7 years, 1 month ago

He did? I honestly don't remember him playing the 3 other than once or twice when T-Rob was the 4 and Keiff was the 5. Did he play it more than that and i am just forgetting?

Robert Brock 7 years, 1 month ago

Morris didn't play one minute at the 3.

texashawk10 7 years, 1 month ago

He played a few minutes at the 3. There were a few times, generally right before garbage time, when Self would go with a really big lineup with Marcus at the 3. 99% of the minutes Marcus played at KU were at the 4 though.

KUbsee69 7 years, 1 month ago

Does anybody know the date for Late Night this year? (Oct. 12th?).

Curtis Stutz 7 years, 1 month ago

Nobody is jumping on Lucas being listed at 6'10"? Hopefully he's been growing, sounds like maybe he's getting a little leaner at 230lbs too? Wonder if this is a little different approach than Self normally takes, focusing on offense with a lot of young guys on the team? I'm glad the freshmen are hyped for this season, should be a great experience for them with the seniors leading the way.

waywardJay 7 years, 1 month ago

I think Elijah's going to eat up some of TY's scoring, he appears to be our 20 point man... McElmore appears to be our 15 point man, at least all early commentaries have told us he will be, and I think Jamari Traylor becomes ou 5th starter and our 12 point man.

The key is this year it won't be just 4-8 points from the bench.... It will be alot more like 20-30

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

"4 Hours of Kayaking Later, or I Should Have Been Posting instead"

• My father always said outboard motors were invented for a reason.

• If muscles have memory, mine now have painful ones.

•If some one had told me to sit in a drain tile liftng weights for four solid hours, I would have told him to go F himself, but I willingly paid money to do essentially this yakking on a slow moving stream. I will be checking into Menningers shortly.

• Ellis working with bigs, sports new nickname: Marcus Ellis.

• WARNING: EJ 3 months out of surgery, scrimmaging, STILL not 100%.

• WARNING: No mention of Naadir, Rio, or Milton; this is concerning, since EJ is not 100%.

•Travis on Self: "Of course he's screaming." Inference: All coaches are tough in practice, but Self perhaps has gotten a rep as a screamer, just as Bob Knight got the rep of a yeller. His excellence and charisma may be what makes so many 5stars put him on their list of schools, but also may be a part of why so many choose less challenging oaches without the screamer rep.

• Russell to Italy: Italy meet defense, Russell meet good cooking

John Boyle 7 years, 1 month ago

what is a "oaches"? Is that a coach without:

Class

Clue (as in doesn't have a clue)

Championships

Charisma

Charm

Well you get the point.

Before anyone gets excited this is just in jest, I actually enjoy most of jaybates post.

Jeffery Barrett 7 years, 1 month ago

What are some good kayaking words?

Look, I'm going through the rapids!

..........ok............

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

I've kayaked on fast rivers with good rapids.

This my first time on a river with practically no current where you had to paddle just to stay out of the bugs.

My most used words where: what have I done?!!!! :-)

Jeffery Barrett 7 years, 1 month ago

You obviously haven't seen the hilarious commercial. Google "kayaking commercial".

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

• Self emphasizing offense first? Oh how these freshmen are being set up. Wait till real practice starts 10-15-12. This is just Self installing offense now, so he can work on nothing but defense during real season. Imagine Bill cold sweating about starting and subbing so much green defensive wood.

• Travis is a great team spokesman and pure Self Jayhawk. He is going to be an impact offender this season. Double digits for sure.

• Some one get a faith healer for EJ. We have to pull out all the stops.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 1 month ago

Well, there is Exhibit A the next time i hear someone say Bill Self is honest with the kids he recruits.

Perry Ellis will be spending his time at KU mostly in the front court. Despite Self being on record multiple times stating Ellis would play the wing.

This explains why so many shcolarships have been going out to back court players this year. with Releford and EJ graduating, and Ellis not spotted as a wing player, the back court is going to need a lot of new depth in the near future.

Larry Smith 7 years, 1 month ago

Where in this article does it say that Perry will not play the three. "The McDonald’s All-American figures to play inside and out during his KU career"

You take that sentence and imply Bill Self was dishonest in the recruitment of Ellis.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 1 month ago

Also,

I dont think its coincidence that the two freshman Releford singled out as being the most impressive are the two highly ranked ones.

I wonder why?

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

bennybob,

your two posts cut pretty deep pretty quick, and, though no one likes reading negatives about a great coach, good for you for manning up.

Coaches will always play you where ever is optimal for their team, once they've got you. It is the same as bosses in firms. Once they've got you and can "bad review" you if you don't cooperate, they will work you anywhere they want; this is the reality of the work place and of a basketball team.

This is also why high school recruits that want to play a particular position should go where there is an immediate need for them at the position. Period.

Never, never, never, never, never, never trust any coach, or any boss, about playing a position, or role in a firm. They will say anything to get what they think they will need, and then "bad review" you for not going along.

It is the Real Politik of the work place and sports teams.

If you are 6-8, don't believe the lion that says, "I won't eat you, if you come into my cage."

If you are 6-8, don't believe the coach that says, "I will play you at the 3, if you will come into my program."

No one can control who a coach recruits downstream, but in the season of recruiting you can wait to the last day, if necessary, and be able to see exactly who will be there to play your position, and who will be their to man the positions you don't want to play.

If there is an obvious hole at your desired position, and if the position you don't want is staffed with a guy they have a lot of sunk costs in, then you are safe going there.

Correctly assessing sunk costs are the key to getting to play where you want on a team.

As we learn season after season watching the game, coaches are loathe to write off sunk costs in established players. Self is deeply invested in Travis Releford at the 3. Travis can play it injured at a high level. If fit, Travis is a cornerstone. So Self's sunk costs in him are to great to warrant moving Travis and plugging Perry into that slot ahead of him.

Ben Simonett 7 years, 1 month ago

I agree never trust anything a coach tell you. My comment was simply a jab at the people who like to belive Bill Self is somehow above every other coach that has every coached basketball and he truly does tell recruits 100% truth when recruiting them.

people like to go to that idea when trying to justify why Self doesnt sign a recruit and its just not true

Tuskin 7 years, 1 month ago

I'm a boss. If I say I'm going to hire you as an engineer, you can bet that I'm not going to have you working as a drafter. If I say I'm going to hire you as a drafter, you can bet that I'm not entertaining ideas of having you do engineering work.

Self doesn't promise playing time; that has to be earned. But he does tell recruits where he sees them fitting in with the team. Things may change, but I have no doubt he's honest.

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

Things haven't changed since Perry signed that I can see. What do you see that has changed?

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

Further, Self has a clear need at the 4. No one coming back has everything needed to be a certain starter. Kevin Young is a proven sub, with skills, and a motor, but he's light and showed defensive lapses till the end of last season. Justin has the size and athleticism, but not the skills and he did not deliver strongly in a support role when there was a huge need for him to do so last season.

So: Self has modest sunk costs in Kevin, or Justin. Kevin won't be around after this season. Justin is a walk on project. Neither were recruited for years on end.

In terms of sunk costs, Perry read the tea leaves wrong. Self has sunk costs at the 3 he won't write off. Self has no sunk costs at the 4. Self doesn't need a 3. Self needs a 4. Perry will play the 4.

But the problem does not stop there for Perry. It cascades.

By the end of his first season, Self and Perry will have sunk costs in Perry at the 4. The greater the sunk costs at the 4, the harder it is for Perry to move back to the 3. Just ask Marcus Morris.

But there is more.

It is always easier to find good combos than it is to find good bigs. In fact, it is easier to find exceptional combos than it is to find merely good bigs.

So: the chances are that next season, Perry will not only be battling his and Self's sunk costs in Perry at the 4, but they will also be battling the probability that Self will have landed another top combo that Self could put at the 3, but not another big good enough to justify moving Perry to the 3.

I am now ready to concede that every top player, like Perry Ellis, ought to wait till very near the end of the recruiting season in order to prevent what's happened to Perry and Marcus.

I can't blame Self for doing this, if he can get away with it.

But all recruits need to wise up on this from here on out. Judging from recent recruiting experiences, they seem to have done so.

If you want to play a specific position, wait till the end, see which coach has got a slot open at the position you want to play, and sunk costs in a good player at the position you don't want to play.

Had Perry Ellis done this, he and a coach would now be sinking costs at the position he wanted to play.

And in the case of a player like Perry Ellis, this is not just about a petty desire to play a certain position; this is about career money, big money. Its about the same kind of money, maybe even more, that drives Self to use players in the best interest of his team and his career vs. in the best interest of the player.

waywardJay 7 years, 1 month ago

not to mention we need somewhere to play releford and McElmore 30 minutes a game at the same time...

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

As I've written before, Perry Ellis playing the 3 for freshman and sophomore seasons, with the same degree of skill he would develop at the 4 for those same two seasons, would almost certainly produce a Top 5 lottery pick, maybe even a Number 1, rather than a Top 15-20 pick.

The drafts are full of guards, combos, and 6'8" bigs. Unless you are a once in a generation athlete in those categories, you are just one of the many.

But the minute a great athlete is significantly bigger than normal at a position, his NBA draft stock skyrockets, his earning power does too.

Perry Ellis as an accomplished 6'8" 3 would certainly be a once in a decade player. His NBA career would be commensurately longer, barring injury. His earning power would be stunning.

But if he sinks costs into the 4, probably the best Perry can hope for is something like what Thomas, and Marcus got. What they got is pretty wonderful, but it is, frankly, far less than what either would have got coming out as an accomplished 3, given their sizes.

Julian and Marcus have suffered from sinking their costs into the 4 position as collegians. It sent them into the pros having to compete against equals, or betters, at the NBA 4, when they should have been entering the NBA as accomplished 3s that would have had the advantage of size.

I hope Self switches Perry to the 3.

But sunk costs say he won't.

REHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Although he reaped millions for his lottery signing, Marcus has certainly gotten swept up in a battle for playing time, having so little 3 experience. And Julian, well, he departed much too soon to guarantee anything but quick dollars. Those two players are in for rough sailing, trying to adjust to professional careers at a natural NBA position for which they had very little experience while playing Bill Self basketball. jb, I enjoyed your post immensely. Sunk costs! Should BenMac depart along with Travis and Kevin next spring, if I were Perry Ellis I would go to the mattresses over a war to insist on playing time at the 3 position my sophomore outing. Of course, we have not seen him play Div. I ball yet; and he might display limited speed or dexterity to excel at that position. He certainly has the smarts and the h.s. championship credentials to be a key factor for Jayhawk hoops, wherever he is assigned to play. I envision him as a blueblood contributor, sooner than later.

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

JB: Excellent post.

The additional negative for Ellis moving to the 3 is Andrew White. The guy has 3 year starter written all over him .. at the 3.

I touched on this yesterday on another thread -- meaning the impact of Ellis at the 4 vs. the 3 going forward.

Ellis at the 4 creates a logjam at the post spots .. meaning, if history tells us anything, assuming we add a post player in the 2013 class, either 1) Self moves Ellis to the 3 for 2013 or 2) a post player will transfer. Over the last six seasons, Self has never had more than 4 scholarship post players on the roster. He carried 5 for three straight seasons, but walk-on Kleinmann was the fifth guy each of those season .. now he has 6 this season (5 scholarship guys).

This season, the 6 players include Ellis as a post .. so this is a new thing .. meaning hasn't happened. Why is it a new thing? Because Self does not have multiple top recruits at the post .. compare to Morris, Morris, TRob and Withey. Or Arthur, Jackson, Kaun, Aldrich (Kleinmann the 5th).

Numbers now permit one complete whiff, and a partial whiff on Traylor/Peters/Lucas (assuming we snag a top guy for 2013). I think this is pretty significant given Self's prior roster management. He's never done it this way.

I think this is all further evidence that we should have relatively muted expectations for all of post players except for Withey and Ellis (understanding that he is a freshman -- compare to what Marcus did his freshman season). Self was left with numbers over quality in the last two seasons of post recruiting, so he played it the only way he could.

It wouldn't be completely surprising if, in the event our talent level increases in the post through recruiting, Ellis could move to the 3 in 2013. That's tough, though. White (in my opinion) will be an impact guy, and he would have flop. The 3 is White's perfect spot. And who knows if McLemore can handle the ball-handling responsibilities as a 2. But will Ellis have a better path to the NBA as a 4, or a 3 as you suggest? Absolutely better as a 3 ... if he's a good 3. That has to enter the equation at some point, I would think. But I do think Ellis is more suited for the 4 in the college game, and with Self's system on both ends of the court. He may just see spot duty at the 3. Even that might be a stretch, given your point about combo guard recruiting. But that spot duty could be enough to demonstrate that he could play the 3 in the NBA, which satisfies both parties here.

(cont)

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

(cont) When Self shortens his rotation, if one of Traylor/Peters/Lucas/Young is viewed as better on the floor than White, then you could see one of those guys at the 4 and Ellis at the 3 when Releford is out. To that end, Ellis could be the starting 4 in 2013, but the backup 3 when White's out. That's not beyond the realm of reason.

It will be interesting to see how the post battles develop for playing time and future roster spots. As I mentioned in prior posts, I see Ellis as our key player this coming season. We need him to meet our high expectations, and be better than Marcus was his freshman season. A tall order

Ben Simonett 7 years, 1 month ago

if Ellis is the back up 3 in 2013 were does Greene play?

Greene can't handle the ball well enough to be a 2 so hes naturally slotted for a 3 spot as well.

It looks to me like Ellis is playing the 4 for his entire duration in lawrence, if i was him I'd be pissed.

waywardJay 7 years, 1 month ago

It's not really even a logjam at the post either, because none of the Guys aside from WIthey has played the 5... I assume because of his football background we are going to press Peters as the defacto 5 behind Withey, which means our two deeps will look....

Elijah/Naadir Mclemore/ Adams Releford/ White Ellis/ Young ( possible switch ) Withey/ Peters

waywardJay 7 years, 1 month ago

and that's if we get nothing from Traylor either, which I think we will....

Jack Wilson 7 years, 1 month ago

Bennybob: Good point on Greene .. definitely not a 2.

wayward: You're right on the 5 thing .. but it's kind 4 and 4a. I mean no matter how you slice, post is either a 4 and a 5, or two 4s, right? That's really what I'm referring to .. post players. Peters intrigues me most as he can step out and shoot pretty well. I'm excited to see what the post players can do.

If I was betting on a rotation .. 5 perimeter players (EJ/McLemore/Tharpe/Releford/White) and 4 post (Withey/KY/Ellis/Traylor). And Traylor only because he's had more practice. Adams, like you mentioned, might sneak in there if he's eligible.

KansasComet 7 years, 1 month ago

I am most excited about Andrew White! We need an assassin from the outside. I have always felt that is what we have been missing come tournament time. Hopefully, we have found one in Andrew White.

clevelandjayhawker 7 years, 1 month ago

Such a difficult lineup to set, I will be interested to see who starts where and how the first guys off the bench are, the way it is in November will prob be what it is in Feb.

Nov Tharpe EJ Rel Young Withey

Feb? EJ BMac Rel Traylor Withey

AsadZ 7 years, 1 month ago

BMac and most likely Perry will start in Nov. Tharpe off the bench

clevelandjayhawker 7 years, 1 month ago

Not sold on Ellis starting yet, and partially because Self takes a player and breaks them down, so he can build them up. This year I think its Perry. last year was tharpe, in the past its been robinson, mario, keif, etc. normally these players respond and are better because of it

REHawk 7 years, 1 month ago

cleveland, I gotta disagree...respectfully. This squad will need Perry's scoring. Is sad that there is little room for him at his desired 3 position.

waywardJay 7 years, 1 month ago

Scoring... I don't know. That honestly doesn't seem to be what I see as a weakness. I think we got plenty of guys who can scorre.. I don't see a defender yet. who wasn't already on last year's team.

mikehawk 7 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone know if the games in Europe can be found to stream live or watched via an outlet?

kellerman411 7 years, 1 month ago

Landen Lucas will quickly become a crowd favorite. He is nasty down low. I mean this guy doesn't just want to block your shot. He wants to send it into the student section and then get in your face. Hes the type of guy you want on the floor when you're playing Mizzou because he will just disgrace his opponent disrespectfully. I love it.

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

"Some Things the Players Need to Remember While in Europe"

♚ Kings are royalty, not an NBA team in Sacramento.

♛ Queens are royalty, not a borough in the Big Apple.

☔ Don't rain on their parades. They were happy before you got there and they will be happy after you leave. Show them what great people Americans are.

♗ A bishop is not necessarily a chess piece over there, though it can mean that too.

♙ Be nice, but don't be a pawn in their game.

⚛ They depend more on atomic power for electricity than we do.

⚖ Their systems of justice and our are not quite the same.

☃ Somethings are the same everywhere.

waywardJay 7 years, 1 month ago

And most of the Sacramento Kings cannot be considered Royalty here. Ahem Cousins,evans.

Martin Rosenblum 7 years, 1 month ago

I'm impressed with your awesome keyboard!

jaybate 7 years, 1 month ago

I like to try to show what this medium can do and be. We often overlook the simplest, most basic keys of communication, simply because they are not on the key board, or the desk top. :-)

Asian languages have long combined the word meaning with a graphic meaning and in the west they are called ideograms.

A number of Western poets over the years, maybe the earliest being Ezra Pound, have tried to introduce ideograms into their poetry.

Emoticons have been being used in handwritten and typed writing at least as far back as the late 1800s.

We have an option in this new age of internet communication to ramp up the integration of graphic information along with the words. Everyone knows photos and feeds and links can be introduced. But ASCII characters and other special characters resident in the browsers can be invoked as a kind of supplementary sign language, too. I just tried to use the keys as simple, foreshadowing symbols. But as with emoticons, these could be sprinkled through out sentences to enrich the communication. And were it to catch on, it could easily transform English from primarily a word language to a language that combined words and ideogramatical expressions too. Language is alive. But it also institutes us. As the poet Octavio Paz recognized so brilliantly, we found reality on words and pictures referring to reality. Though the powers that be do not like to mention it much, we ordinary people get to found ourselves and our reality with our words. We truly do have freedom of expression. We may be punished for practicing it in tyrannical periods. But we get to choose what parts of reality are founded on words and images, and which are not. We say what words and images and symbols and ideograms are founding reality and so defining it. Those working on everything from the OED to the Urban Dictionary have to keep up with us, not the other way around.

Martin Rosenblum 7 years, 1 month ago

So, you're not in favor of the "dumbing down" of society to the point of tweets, texts, chats and the lack of the written word on a piece of paper? Let's re-define the word communication for those who developed Urban Dictionary and others.

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