Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Jayhawks offer scholarship to 2013 point guard Demetrius Jackson


Demetrius Jackson, a 6-foot-1, 180-pound senior basketball point guard from Marian High in Mishawaka, Ind., has received a scholarship offer from Kansas University.

Jackson,’s No. 70-rated player in the Class of 2013, told he has received offers from KU, Louisville, Notre Dame, Butler, Florida State, Illinois, Memphis, Michigan State and Xavier. Jackson said he would take some campus visits, then choose a college before the start of his senior season.

“I love everything about the school, especially the Jayhawk nation,” Jackson told after leading MBA Select AAU to a 17-and-under championship Sunday at the Adidas Invitational in Indianapolis.

“Also, just talking to coach (Bill) Self and coach (Norm) Roberts, they’re not only great coaches, but great guys. That really interests me, when I can sit down and have a conversation with two great people and not just have it be about basketball.”

Like Self and Roberts, Brian Flinn of attended the Adidas tourney.

“Jackson would have been the best point guard in the 17-under field had it not been for the absurd play of Hill,” Flinn said of Florida Elite’s Kasey Hill, a 6-1 guard who has committed to Florida. “He got to the rim whenever he wanted and showed how explosive he can be. He finished the final day with two 20-plus point outings.”

Possible KU recruits: Here’s a list of some other top senior prospects being recruited by KU. Of course, there could be others, as well. KU coaches do not comment on recruiting in accordance with NCAA rules.

  • Anthony Barber, 6-2, 165, PG, Hampton (Va.) High: The country’s No. 9-ranked player has said he will visit KU and Alabama.
  • Julius Randle, 6-9, 240, PF, Prestonwood Christian Academy, Plano, Texas: No. 2-ranked player, who was a high school teammate of KU’s Zach Peters, lists KU, Kentucky, Duke, Baylor, Texas, North Carolina, Missouri and others.
  • Jermaine Lawrence, 6-9, 200, PF, Pope John XXIII High, Sparta, N.J.: No. 19-ranked player lists KU, St. John’s, Syracuse, Cincinnati, Rutgers, Florida and UNLV.
  • Chris Walker, 6-9, 220, PF, Holmes County High, Bonifay, Fla.: No. 6-rated player lists KU, Florida, Kentucky, Louisville, Ohio State, UCLA and Baylor.
  • Jabari Parker, 6-8, 220, SF, Chicago Simeon High: No. 1-rated player lists KU, Duke, Florida, Kentucky, North Carolina, DePaul, BYU, Georgetown, Michigan State and Stanford.
  • Detrick Mostella, 6-3, 170, SG, New Hope Academy, Landover Hills, Md.: No. 69-rated player, who is originally from Alabama, tells he has a top three of KU, Georgetown and Texas A&M.;

- Jarell Martin, 6-9, 220, PF, Madison Prep, Baton Rouge, La. No. 13-rated player lists KU, Arizona, Alabama, Baylor, Louisville, LSU, Mississippi State, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M; and UCLA.

  • Karviar Shepherd, 6-10, 225, C, Grace Prep, Arlington, Texas: No. 34-rated player lists KU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU, Texas and UCLA.
  • Allerik Freeman, 6-4, 210, SG, Findlay Prep, Henderson, Nev.: No. 39-rated player originally from Charlotte N.C., lists KU, Ohio State, Duke, Villanova, and UCLA.
  • Jordan Mickey, 6-7, 210, PF, Grace Prep, Arlington, Texas: No. 51-rated player lists KU, Kentucky, Ohio State, Louisville, Alabama, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, SMU, Texas A&M; and others.
  • Semi Ojeleye, 6-6, 215, SF, Ottawa High. No. 36-rated player lists KU, Arizona, Duke, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas State, Missouri, UCLA and others.
  • Isaiah Lewis, 6-3, 160, SG, Christ the King, Brooklyn, N.Y.: No. 126-rated player has received offers from Oklahoma State, Seton Hall, South Florida, Memphis, Louisville, and Villanova. He also lists KU, Miami (Fla.), Washington, West Virginia, and Rhode Island.
  • Marcus Lee, 6-8, 200, PF, Deer Valley High, Antioch, Calif. No. 33-rated player says KU, Arizona, Duke, Texas A&M; and UCLA have all offered scholarships.

- Wayne Selden, 6-5, 225, SF, Tilton School, Tilton, N.H.: No. 21-rated player lists KU, UCLA, Virginia, Duke, UConn, Boston College, Florida and others.

  • James Young, 6-6, 200, SG, Troy (Mich.) High: No. 8-rated player lists Kentucky, Arizona, KU, Missouri, Michigan State and Ohio State.
  • Keith Frazier, 6-5, 185, SG, Kimball High, Dallas: No. 14-rated player lists KU, SMU, Texas, Texas A&M;, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and others.
  • Tyler Roberson, 6-8, 210, SF, Roselle Catholic, Roselle, N.J.: No. 53-rated player lists KU, Pitt, Cincinnati, UConn, Florida and many others.
  • Rysheed Jordan, 6-4, 185, PG, Vaux Roberts High, Philadelphia: No. 16-rated player lists KU, Maryland, Syracuse, Rutgers, Temple, Xavier, and Villanova.
  • Austin Nichols, 6-8, 193, PF, Briarcrest Christian, Eads, Tenn.: No. 43-rated player lists KU, Duke, Florida, Louisville, Ohio State, North Carolina, and others.

KU has received oral commitments from No. 28 Conner Frankamp, a 6-1 combo guard from Wichita North and No. 31 Brannen Greene, a 6-7 small forward from Tift County High, Forsyth, Ga. The Jayhawks will have at least four scholarships available, more if any non-seniors leave the program.

This, that: Former KU guard Josh Selby scored 35 points in Memphis’ 83-77 loss to Washington on Tuesday in NBA summer league play in Las Vegas. The Grizzlies’ combo guard hit 7 of 8 threes and had seven steals, one assist and two turnovers in 32 minutes. ... Former KU forward Markieff Morris had 24 points, 17 rebounds and six blocks in Phoenix’s 89-74 loss to Cleveland. ... Future KU guard Frankamp will have his injured foot in a boot four weeks, Wichita North coach Gary Squires told the Wichita Eagle. Frankamp has a hairline fracture in his left foot. Frankamp said on Sunday he’s ticketed to miss between four to eight weeks of basketball.


Frankenhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

If I'm not mistaken, Frankamp was recently moved up to #28 or thereabouts.

Bobby Burch 9 years, 6 months ago

Yep, he did move to 28. And I think Jabari Parker was a former teammate of or attended the same school as Milton Doyle.

RJ King 9 years, 6 months ago

Parker was Frankamp's teammate in the under 17 summer league

AverageCitizen 9 years, 6 months ago

Parker and Frankamp were also teammates together on the FIBA under 16 team the summer of 2011 too. They have a pretty long relationship with one another. Can't hurt.

Jory Collins 9 years, 6 months ago

Both from Chicago but different schools.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, looking at the Rivals 150 list right now, and Frankamp is #28.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 6 months ago

Between what Self has said about BMac, what Withey's said about Wesley/Ellis/Lucas/Peters/Traylor, how well Frankamp played for the US team before the injury and all the other talented players playing for or considering KU, so little for fans to worry about. Plenty of work for the staff to do in keeping up with recruits and developing players, but for the fans just a lot of enjoying quality KU basketball.

tyty1984 9 years, 6 months ago

Im really excited about this squad! Hopefully our connection through Peters/Randle Doyle and Frankamp with Parker, we can convince one or both of them to KU!

KUFan90 9 years, 6 months ago

Wow...some big numbers by Selby and Kieff! Let's hope some of this carries over into their NBA seasons next year.

Andy Rieger 9 years, 6 months ago

Where can I find the girl in your picture?

RJ King 9 years, 6 months ago

This is a great aggregate list. I'm confident KU will land two more quality players from this group. And I will easily fall in love with ANY of these possible future Jayhawks. It's like the excitement that comes with a new puppy - full of energy and promise. I look at pups and say, "I want that one, I want that one!" (And especially the pup who seems to want you too!)

Then I remember and reflect on the older dogs, who've been trained, mellowed, and been with me every step of the way. I'm really looking forward to 2012-13 - for EJ, Travis, and Jeff to be the "old dogs." They have arrived and their time is now.

Eric Dawson 9 years, 6 months ago

Here's a composite listing (KUSports, Scout, Rivals, ESPN) of everybody who has a 2013 offer in hand from KU as of yesterday. Twenty three people for at least 2 more scholarships for next year (the listing starts with who will be leaving for certain and projected returnees, barring early entries and transfers).,14318,14318#msg-14318

AsadZ 9 years, 6 months ago

ESPN had one of Kieff blocks on Top Ten this morning. It is awesome. Hope he and Marcus make some noise in NBA this year.

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

• Four players, maybe more needed...ya gotta love recruiting to coach.

• Norm's and Bill's old dog and poney show still plays with the kids, if Demetrious is any indication.

• Please basketball god, let Bill rediscover Wooden's old high post offence he ran with Wicks, Rowe and Patterson. We will go 40-0 and win the ring if he does.

• This year's Tour de France is the first dull one in my 15 year addiction. :'(. NBC may be the culprit, or the Brit Twit Bradley Wiggins.

• EJ's he going to be okay?

• As I said, all realignment moves have to wait till after the Presidential election.

• Will KU get new look uniforms. Last year's were not special.

• Insecure Bruce Webber is going to perform a mock burial of Frank Martin. He is going to put the feet of a paper machette statue of Frankie in concrete tennis shoes and drop it off the back of a boat at Tuttle Creek reservoir.

• Bruce Webber's job description actually includes, "once each week employee will take a turn shovelling manure at the large animal experimentation barns."

• Bill Snyder has reported been tasked with teaching Webber not to whine.

• Bruce Webber's official title is "interim head coach" until he beats KU.

• Bruce has been already asked Scott Drew about the best way to run past Bill Self after losses.

(Note: all fiction. No malice.)

championhawks 9 years, 6 months ago

Ummm... What?! 2 points that are relevant to the story and then a bunch that have nothing to do with the article or another post. How exactly did Weber get 5 bullet points to himself in this post?!

John Boyle 9 years, 6 months ago

Because he's Bruce "not so almighty" Webber!! DUH??

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

Regarding the stray bullets: I'm really struggling with my cell phone keyboard and the hunt and peck style it mandates. But I'm trying to get better. :-)

Regarding unrelated content: first, your post had nothing to do with the story. :-)

Second, are you new, or what?

Listen up, Ex-PFC champion hawks; this is a direct quote from the User Agreement:

"Users are allowed to post anything and everything in the threads, whether related to the story above, or simply flights of fancy." (Article IX, Section 1, Subsection A, Paragraph 1):

And this quote comes from farther down in the User Agreement:

"Users that chastise other users for making posts unrelated to story content usually are going through an online phase called 'the phlipping phallus phase.' Be gentle with them and cut and paste this from the User Agreement, so they catch on." (Article X, Section 3, Subsection P, Paragraph 4):

(Note: this post has nothing to do with the story either. Deal with it.) :-)

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

Oh, no, not another one of those serial alias generators!!!!

CWGOKU, tell us all about your virtual existence.

We need diversion from KU basketball.

Its too uninteresting.

We have to have serial alias generators to distract us.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago


Yeeeee hawwwww, ralster.

You've broken through here!!!!

Hey, why not name KStupid's arena the....


Because all their coaches are either fired, or flee!

They're gone.

Heck, they lose most of their good recruits too.

The Goneagon.

waywardJay 9 years, 6 months ago

Goneagon, is actually in play for the name of Mizzou's yet to be named stadium floor.... it's supposedly in connection with a Viral outbreak of a certain disease from over over exposure to Methamphetamine and middle child syndrome.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 6 months ago

May be fiction, but still quite amusing copy.

waywardJay 9 years, 6 months ago

In fairness to Bruce, He knows the challenge ahead of him, and I doubt he has any second thoughts about taking the target head on. It's hard to be Iceman, when every one loves Maverick.

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

But we don't have to be fair to Bruce, till he's fired, do we? :-)

waywardJay 9 years, 6 months ago

We were pretty fair of Huggins and Martin... We should extend the olive Branch, as long as Bruce Promises not to hypothetically kill our Head coach....again.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 6 months ago

HMMMM...a very unique class ....we could have a Walker for our dogs, a Barber for our hair, a Parker for our cars and a Shepard for our flock!!

All kidding aside, this is an impressive list of fine young men who could be potential Jayhawks.

Sam Constance 9 years, 6 months ago

The distance between the ground and the top of a basketball player's head is one of the most overrated metrics in basketball. Especially in college basketball.

kellerman411 9 years, 6 months ago

Oh no, you mean someone else is worried about the lack of a typical KU seven footer!? Watch out these people on here will jump all over you for a comment like that.

The fact is, your concerns are warranted. Some KU fans think that we win games because we are KU. No, we win games because we field superior basketball players. A big part of that has been a dominant seven foot Center.

Sam Constance 9 years, 6 months ago

The terms "superior basketball player" and "dominant seven foot center" synonyms.

KU has had PLENTY of good, even great, teams that didn't have a dominant 7-footer. In fact, of all the teams KU has sent to the Final Four since the tournament expanded in the mid-80s, I can only think of one that had a "dominant seven foot center", and even that one is a stretch:

1993 - Greg Ostertag

Unless you'd like to list out the "dominant seven foot centers" we had on the 1986, 1988, 1991, 2002, 2003, and 2008 Final Four teams...

Ben Berglund 9 years, 6 months ago

Cole was the only "dominant" footer that we've had in the last decade. But I do think having one is extremely important. Don't forget that Sasha Kaun was also 6'11. So the 08 team had 2x 6'11 guys.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

I don't necessarily disagree with you, as I would like to see a classic 7-footish center mixed in there, but you can definitely get away with smaller height in college basketball depending on the player. TRob was measured at just under 6-8 by the NBA, but his 7-3 wingspan, strength and instinct is what made him arguably the best rebounder in college basketball last year. He wasn't a shot blocker, which I believe is your major point, but that isn't necessarily achieved by a 7-footer (Aldrich was measured by the NBA at, I believe 6-10). Shot blocking is a LOT about positioning and instinct, and, of course, wingspan.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 6 months ago

Man, our guys sure can light up summer league!!!

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

I think I read through all the comments.

Was there even ONE remark about Demetrius Jackson ?

Ron Prichard 9 years, 6 months ago

Not until now, but props for bringing us back to the article. I'm curious about other's thoughts on this offer. It sounds like Jackson tore it up at the Adidas camp, but that 'o so reliable indicator of talent,' his Rivals number is 70. There seem to be several higher rated point guards that list Kansas, not the least of which is Anthony Barber, the 9th ranked recruit, who has said he will visit KU and Alabama. I am wondering why the offer to Jackson now as opposed to waiting a little while. If Jackson chooses KU, would Barber look elsewhere? I realize these are only offers and a commit would only be a verbal commit, but I sense there is quite a bit of strategy that goes on behind the scenes. I was wondering what everyone else thought about this.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 6 months ago

Just emailed the raticle to my son who lives in Elkhart to get some scoop on young Victor Matures' suggested alter ego. We'll see if he knows something about the kid besides offers from Butler & ND. IMO if we can snag him for late night, he's on the hook.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

While I'm guessing it was a typo, I think you just coined a perfect new term: "raticle"

An article that skateboarders circa 1989 would totally dig. :-)

Ben Kane 9 years, 6 months ago

KU recruiting is falling off the map. At this rate our program will be in the toilet within 2 years. Bill Self has proved he can't do anything unless he has the top 5 recruits in the nation. It's been almost 4 months since we were in a national championship game, time to get a new coach.

(laying it on pretty thick if you didn't notice)

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

jaybate News Service (ins):

Dateline: Delusionville

Slug: Tomorrow's Absurd Headlines Today:

Self fired for gross incompetence and dereliction of duty.

Self found incompetent to stand trial, because he lacked sufficient charisma.

Self arrested by hair police for impersonating a rug.

Self lacking in commitment to get better: AD says pack your bags, Bill.

Self without doubt KU's worst coach ever--CBernie

Self quits, says too afraid of Bruce Weber.

Self indicted for impersonating greatest basketball coach of his generation.

George Clooney to star in "The Tragedy of Bill Self" an HBO bio pic about the coach that could not recruit.

Self admits: I'm a fake, Drew is better.

Self a bad lover--Cin

Self a bad friend--Barry

Self has bad breath--CEO of leading mouth wash company

Self can't develop big man coaches--DMan

Self confesses: offense all I ever cared about

Self reveals long illicit love triangle with John Calipari and Ellen DeGeneres.

Self says: trying to do it the right way for birds

Self admits taking 20 percent off the top of LB's salary for helping LB get back into coaching

Self responsible for 9-11 and Pearl Harbor

Self admits: manning-down preferable to manning-up

(Note: all outrageously absurd fiction. No malice. And board rats that don't get this guy yet, may need plutonium suppositories for a wake up call. He ain't perfect. No one is. But he's trying to do it the right way. The guy insists they play defense and go to school and that gets him a free pass into basketball heaven right there. He can't get some of the very best. Given the level of reputed corruption in the game, this perhaps should be considered one of his virtues. He could falter. He is human. Surely he can't keep this up for an entire career. But he can recruit enough talent to win 84% of the time, so far. Next.)

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

plutonium...damn...I can't even blame that one on a cell phone key board. :-)

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

Hey, wait, I just realized you made the typo. :-)

selfhimbill 9 years, 6 months ago

I wasn't even alive during the Pearl Harbot incident of '45.

REHawk 9 years, 6 months ago

Self offers the camera a smarmy grin and declares, "I refuse to reveal my past 4 years of tax filings." Adding, "If you folks out there can't live with the likes of McLemore, Greene, Ellis and Frankamp, then please switch allegiances to Jim Calhoun's UConn Huskies, an outfit which really knows how to recruit and reap ink in the national limelight."

Ben Simonett 9 years, 6 months ago

^ above 3 posts


you guys have never made so much sense before!

Tony Bandle 9 years, 6 months ago

In reponse to your good question, rapichard, I have come to the opinion that to offer a scholarship is now merely the first step in the prolonged dance of the recruitment waltz.

To modify a phrase from the movie, Jerry Maguire, "show me the interest".

{Of course, in Kentucky's case, "Show me the money", is totally accurate!!}

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

Let me distill this a bit, Oak.

A scholarship offer is foreplay.

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

Thanks. And not to worry, Jaydogger.

You're crimson and blue and even your short posts are verifiably the ravings of a lunatic. :-)

Ron Prichard 9 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for the legit response, Oakville. As for the other comments, I'm not questioning Self's recruiting. Far from it, I think he has done a great job. My question simply was, if Anthony Barber, who has been one of our primary targets, is down to Alabama and KU, which this article implies, why offer another point guard now? In this case, Jackson had previously indicated his interest in Kansas but did not have an offer. Now he has an offer, so I would guess we are his leader. We would probably still have been his leader if we offered three months from now. So, my question was whether or not anyone thought this would affect the recruitment of Barber. Does Self know something about Barber's interest in KU waning? Does Self think this will put the pressure on Barber to give a verbal to KU? Is Self cooling on Barber and going another direction? I have a little time today and was hoping for some insight from my fellow posters.

Sam Constance 9 years, 6 months ago

I think this very genuine post illustrates exactly why I think the whole recruitment second-guessing game is mostly a waste of time.

Your logic, especially as it relates to Anthony Barber, is sound. Because upon a cursory glance, it doesn't seem to make sense to be making such an early offer to a lower-ranked player when we are one of two reported finalists for a much higher-ranked player.

Of course, that also assumes that we, as fans, have the whole picture, or something even close to the whole picture. Any number of the questions you posed could be a rational explanation for the decision to offer Jackson, and even when this class is signed, sealed and delivered, we probably won't know the inner-workings of why.

Maybe Self is nervous about Barber's level of interest.

Maybe Self thinks Barber is still a good possibility to come to KU, but is stagnant right now and Self wants to help force his hand.

Maybe Self saw something he didn't like about Barber and this is the most subtle way he can send the "thanks, but no thanks" message.

Maybe Barber and/or his handlers/family made comments implying that they expected some quid pro quo.

Maybe Self has decided that he sees something in Jackson that he feels the recruiting services have missed and thinks he can get a player that he feels is comparable to Barber for half the stress and effort, leaving his effort available to be spent on other, higher-priority recruits.

It could be anything. I've just never understood how people can get so nervous/worried about recruits. The level of information necessary to really make fully-informed judgements on the outcomes of college recruiting is just not available, so why spend the effort and mental capacity?

At the very least, wouldn't it be prudent, as fans, to wait until there's smoke (a waning of on-court success) before we start yelling "FIRE!"?

Ron Prichard 9 years, 6 months ago

Thanks, marchphog, I appreciate the well thought out response. I don't typically get hung up on recruiting or how high a player is rated, but I just thought it was interesting that we made this offer when we did. I think there was another article that mentioned Jackson the other day and that we had not offered yet and he still indicated interest in KU. So, I was somewhat surprised that we offered now instead of waiting to see what else shakes out. It looks like the only two other point guards we are after are Anthony Barber and Rysheed Jordan, so maybe something is going on with one or both of them we aren't aware of. I am sure Self knows so much more about each of these kids and their recruitment than we will ever know, even after the fact, that it isn't worth worrying about. Still, it makes for interesting talk during a slow sports month.

Along those lines, has anyone heard any inside scoop on what way Julius Randle or Chris Walker may be leaning? Landing either one of those guys would be fantastic and would vault KU's '13 recruiting class into the top two or three.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 6 months ago

All points true.....but it sure is a heck of a lot of fun to speculate!!!

Alohahawk 9 years, 6 months ago

Offering Jackson is interesting in two ways: #1 - He showcased very well at his most recent AAU competition, and KU's coaching staff would/should want to keep their options with Jackson open since he has shown above average interest towards KU. He could be a good fall back in case Barber decides to go elsewhere and join with his buddy, T. Williams, which has been spotlighted in the news as of late. That brings up item #2, which Self would/should be reluctant to pursue. Instead of Jackson, he could have offered to Williams (6' 6" SF), thus creating a possible Barber/Williams tandem signing. (Williams has been hot lately, and has been good enough all along to keep N. Carolina and Kenstinky hot on his tail.) Problem with that is, KU doesn't really need any more SF's what with McLemore, Greene, White and Ellis already in the fold.

As for those who mentioned KU's shortage (no pun intended) of a 7 footer after Withey graduates, take a look at the recruits listed at the center position in the upcoming classes - 2013 and 2014. There aren't any "highly ranked" recruits over 6' 10". So, does Self go after some unknown 7 footer from Timbukto, or a lowly or unranked 7 footer, and hear the wrath of those on this board who will not accept a recruit ranked below #40? I'd rather he went for the best available at the PF position (Walker, Randle, Shepherd, Anja, Lawrence or Nichols). They're all highly ranked and would make a great addition down low.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 6 months ago

Reading the above, remember, Self can make conditional offers .. he can offer a 3rd or 4th point guard target, but that doesn't mean he's doing so because he is writing off targets 1 or 2.

David Gisi 9 years, 6 months ago

My take is this: Isaiah Lewis has dropped in the rankings almost as fast as Jackson has risen. There hasn't been much buzz about Tyler Ennis and KU lately either. Those were 2 others that KU had been after. Jackson has been rising fast and is actually at #32 in ESPNs most recent, right behind Ennis. MichSt is after Jackson hard and had probably been the leader. He goes to a Catholic HS and Notre Dame wants him bad. If thats what he wanted I think he'd have just committed there right away. At the least he's a replacement in the Barber backup plan for Ennis/Lewis. At best he's a fast rising star in the making. The local competition isn't good enough to fully gauge his talent, but its a small HS that suddenly became competetive with much larger schools last year, solely because of Jackson.

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

"Bruce Weber by the Numbers, or Ripping on Bruce, Because He Apparently Purposely Came to KSU to Try to Prove Something Against Bill Self"

Numbers don't always tell the tale, but sometimes they come pretty close.

~Bruce Weber's overall record at Illinois with Bill Self's material: 89-16, .848

~Bruce Weber's record at Illinois with Bruce Weber's material: 121-85, .587

~Bruce Weber's conference record at Illinois with Bill Self's material: 39-9, .812

~Bruce Weber's conference record at Illinois with Bruce Weber's material: 50-56, .472

~Bruce Weber's conference titles at Illinois with Bill Self's material: 2

~Bruce Weber's conference titles at Illinois with Bruce Weber's material: 0

~Bruce Weber's lowest conference finish at Illinois: 9th

~Bill Self's lowest conference finish at Illinois: 2rd

~Bruce Weber's Overall winning percentage at Illinois: .675

~Bill Self's Overall winning percentage at Illinois: .765

~Bruce Weber's overall winning percentage at KSU: undefined

~Bill Self's overall winning percentage at KU: .838

Inference: Bruce better get some of Bill Self's material fast.


REHawk 9 years, 6 months ago

I think that Bruce snatched the KState position because his old Southern Illinois job was already locked up, as were the historically prime hoops positions at Mizzou and TX Tech. He might have gotten an offer from Butler County CC, but the greedy forwardlooking powers that be in Manhattan whisked him westward to Norm Stewart's renowned first tree on KS I-70 plains, slipped him in, late at night, to the Bill Snyder Suite, and offered him a million dollars and two dozen purple t-shirts to maintain and try to embellish the sparkling basketball record which the Wildcats have achieved vs. the Jayhawks in the Self and Williams years. Bruce is pumped...claws scratching the hardwood, eager and riproaring ready to defeather the Jayhawk. Pronto.

Ben Simonett 9 years, 6 months ago

I'm interpretting this as a sign that the coaching staff is nervous about there position with Anthony Barber.

We need bigs much more than we need anymore guards. especially if Ellis is really gonna play the 3 like Selfs been saying.

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

"Today's Compressed Basketball Comentary"

Dick Vitale 😱

John Calipari 👿

Andrea Hudy 💪

Bill Self 👍 👏

Bruce Weber 👎

Scott Drew 💤

Jay Bilas 👌


Fizzou 👆

Scott Pollard 👽


Michelle Beadle 👀

Outta here.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 6 months ago

OK..I'm the village idiot who still marvels at the miracle of a pocket calculator...what do all those little boxes behind the names mean and how come Bill has two???

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

I'm with ya Oakville - I'd kinda like to know how to do them little bullet thingy's too. I've pushed every button on my computer and only shut it down about 7 times......

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago


And I thought I was being so clever. After each name I put an emoticon. They show up on my screen. The idea was to make fun of my long posts with a commentary of emoticons. :-)

So: I will have to resort to words after all to describe the emoticons to you.

"Today's Compressed Basketball Comentary"

Dick Vitale 😱 Shriek .

John Calipari 👿 horned purple devil

Andrea Hudy 💪 a flexed muscular forearm

Bill Self 👍 👏 thumb up, clapping hands

Bruce Weber 👎 thumb down

Scott Drew 💤 zzz's

Jay Bilas 👌 A-ok thumb and index finger circle

ESPN 😡 burning, scowling face

Fizzou 👆 handing flipping the bird

Scott Pollard 👽 alien face

Kentucky💀 skull and cross bones

Michelle Beadle 👀 gawking eyes

I was on an apple. Maybe only other Apples can see them?

Oh, well, so much for ground breaking innovation. :-)

Tony Bandle 9 years, 6 months ago

Next question, JB...what the heck is an emoticon????

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago


This is a vast subject you are asking me to tap into and explain. :-)

When I make my smiling face with a colon, a dash and a parenthesis, I am making an emoticon manually. :-)

Generally, an emoticon is a facial expression made with key strokes used to clarify the emotional content of a preceding sentence.

You probably make some of these faces, too.

That loss to UK sucked. :-(

Emoticons date back to the late 19th century in hand writing and in type writer writing.

Early emailers on the original ARPANET reputedly even used them some back when it was just four nodes: UCSB, UCLA, UCB and Stanford.

Their usage surged in the digital era and were first studied apparently in the early 80s.

Though early emailers used them I first noticed them spike in use in the early chat rooms last century. :-)

Somewhere along the line nerds created single key macros.

Then someone tied graphic images to ASCII code, if I recall correctly.

But I never really recall the word emoticon until the rise of AIM, Yahoo Messenger and Microsoft Messenger, etc, when the functions of chats and messaging were fused and graphic images were placed handily in the window so that you could easily embellish a sentence on the fly with an emoticon.

Things plateaued awhile until social networking sites spiked their usage again.

Then they migrated to cell phones text messaging functions.

This wiki link will give you serious detail and not depend on my memory.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 6 months ago

Thanks JB, Since I am still struggling with the mysteries of the touchtone phone, I will delve into this new tech universe when I am re-incarnated in my next life.

aerohawk 9 years, 6 months ago

FYI, they were visible in Safari, but not Firefox on my Mac.

FLJHK 9 years, 6 months ago

Great to see Jaybate in such fine form during these long Summer days. Warriers can't afford to rest.

Another beautiful season of KU hoops is coming soon. It's amazing just how different this season's team is relative to last. LOTS of pieces awaiting the master to put them together in ways we can't now foresee.

I can't wait!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 6 months ago

**LAJayhawk's Seemingly Insignificant and Random Comment About a Miniscule Part of Today's Basketball Recruiting News Piece:

I'm a little surprised that under Julius Randle, Gary put NC State under the "others" of schools recruiting him. There are several who actually think NC State may be his number 1 choice at this point, although that is mostly just speculation.

**This concludes LAJayhawk's Seemingly Insignificant and Random Comment About a Miniscule Part of Today's Basketball Recruiting News Piece.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 6 months ago

Ah, back from a week of vacation. Tough to stay away from KU hoops, but a real vacation means disconnecting for a bit. Looks like I'll have a bit of reading to do this evening.

Looks like Jackson is one of those conditional offers .. "hey, we want you to play here but if you decide you want to commit, please get with us first" .. so Self can go to Barber or perhaps another target and determine if going with Jackson is the best move.

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

Or it means BenMac, Andrew White, or Rio will be drafted. :-)

jaybate 9 years, 6 months ago

I agree.

(you've got me afraid to write more than that.) :-)

Alohahawk 9 years, 6 months ago

There's a PHOF, if I ever heard one! And one to mark down the time and date of, so as to go back to in the future. Eh, Jaybate, do you remember that time....about 1PM on 07 18 2012? Emoticon, emoticon, emoticon: :>O ;-) ;>P

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