Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Weis looks to shore up QB reserves


With quarterbacks Brock Berglund and Jordan Webb off of the roster, and BYU transfer Jake Heaps forced to sit out the 2012 season because of NCAA transfer rules, Kansas University coach Charlie Weis has a pretty big hole to fill at quarterback, despite having landed projected starter Dayne Crist from Notre Dame.

Although the current KU roster includes quarterbacks Michael Cummings and Blake Jablonski, neither has any game experience, and that appears to be reason enough for Weis to continue his search for a backup quarterback.

According to a report from, that search will include City College of San Francisco QB Turner Baty, who is scheduled to meet with Weis and KU recruiting coordinator Rob Ianello sometime today in San Francisco.

In helping lead CCSF to a junior college national championship last season, Baty, 6-foot-2, 225 pounds, tossed 42 touchdowns and ran for 300 yards and seven more TDs.

The self-proclaimed pro-style quarterback visited Michigan and drew interest from Oklahoma, but roadblocks both places prevented the mutual interest from going any further. With time running out on recruiting the Class of 2012, Baty is hoping for a chance at Kansas.

“I know (KU) put me on their recruiting board,” he told Jon Kirby, of “They said they would take another quarterback commitment. We’ll see how it all holds up, and I hope to go out there on a visit.”

Tavai down to two?

Kansas appears to be one of the finalists for El Camino (Calif.) Community College defensive tackle Jordan Tavai, a 6-3, 280-pound junior college All-American, who recently visited KU and hit it off with new defensive coordinator Dave Campo.

It looks as if Texas Tech is the three-star tackle’s other finalist, and Tavai will visit the Red Raiders this weekend.

“My first thought (about KU) was I was just going on a visit,” he told Kirby. “But once I got there and started going through it, I realized I really like it. Now I will go see if I see Texas Tech the same way.”

Already loaded with three junior-college defensive linemen committed in the Class of 2012 (Chaq Reed, Butler County CC; Ty McKinney, Trinity Valley Texas CC, and Keon Stowers, Georgia Military College), the addition of Tavai would add even more depth, talent and experience where KU needs it most.

Dates to remember

Feb. 1 marks the beginning of the 2012 signing period, and that’s the day that most of the prospects who make up KU’s current recruiting class will make their non-binding oral commitments official.

While Weis recently said he expected this year’s class to be in the 20s, sources have said throughout the past several weeks that there could be a surprise or two in store on signing day. In the past, most, if not all, of KU’s commitments had been pretty well known heading into signing day. However, with a couple of targets still on the fence and Weis holding a few spots for future transfers, anything is possible one week from today.

As of Tuesday night, KU had 15 commitments in its current class. Six were junior-college players, six were high school seniors and three were mid-year transfers, who already are on campus.

While most commitments choose to sign on the opening day of the signing period, they are not required to do so. Recruits in the Class of 2012 have until April 1 to sign their letters of intent.

Once signing day passes, a couple of other key dates to remember are: March 27, the opening day of spring football, and April 28, the day of the annual spring game.

KU also is expected to host a pro timing day for graduating seniors preparing for the NFL Draft sometime in early to mid-March.


79ictjhawk 10 years ago

With Crist having had 2 previous knee injuries, I questioned the wisdom of kicking Webb to the curb. While Webb is no longer the style QB we need, he was the best we had for the last 2 years. Hopefully, Weis can sign Baty & we'll have a quality reserve who is a pro-style QB.

phoggydrive 10 years ago

Webb was told that Crist would be the starter next year. It was a mutual decision for Webb to leave after that. I can't blame Webb one bit for his choice to transfer after the academic year. The kid played hard for KU. I wish him the best.

TBiggsRone3 10 years ago

Hey phoggydrive, if you e-mail me I will give you the honest truth. About what went on. Believe me it wasn't a mutual chioce.

Chris Bailey 10 years ago

Webb is terrible at best. He's a good kid I'll give you that but he is no way a D1 QB. I can sugar coat it but he truly isn't. Don't get me wrong he's much closer to a D1 football player than I ever dreamed myself. Some people work at walmart some people work on wallstreet and there are reasons for that just as there are reasons he isn't a D1 QB. We have Cummings and I think he was much better than Webb as well as Jablonski. We will be fine at QB going forward. Weis will make sure of that and I don't question him getting rid of Webb he was not our future. I like Webb he's a tough kid and he will get college paid for which in this day is a great thing.

Ethan Berger 10 years ago

I don't think that is a fare assessment of Webb. Webb lost patterson who was are only college ready wide out. DJ is a good 3rd or 4th receiver on most rosters. Gill was a run first guy. Sheppard and Jackson needed to red shirt but because of lack of talent, they had to play.

John Randall 10 years ago

I doubt if many D1 quarterbacks would have been much better at running 100% predictable plays or waiting through the play clock to get the next call.

Dirk Medema 10 years ago

If Baty comes, the one spot we really need to recruit is DB's. We've lost a bunch between the early exits and decommits, and it wasn't the biggest strength to begin with. It should help to get some hosses up front, and at this rate we may even have depth.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 10 years ago

Agreed! We have a safety in McDougald, a corner in Brown, and a decent nickel guy in Patmon. The rest looks a little scary! I was sad to see Terry leave.

Matt Tait 10 years ago

Don't forget about Victor Simmons... Should step in as a starter at safety and should be very solid. Love this kid's potential.

Dirk Medema 10 years ago

Dreiling is a LB not DB

and it's a long way from DII to D1.

Chris Bailey 10 years ago

Dreiling is LB and he would START at KU with out question! He is a stud! You lead the nation is tackles two yrs in a row I don't care what D level and you are a stud! I watched him play in high school and he is drawing interest from the NFL already I think that sums up his potential for D1 football!

Devin Martinez 10 years ago

I have seen him play several times and he is an absolute stud. the kid is always around the ball and it seems like you hear his name over the P.A. on every play. But with that being said....its not gonna happen.

Eric Williams 10 years ago

Greg Allen is coming in as well...

KGphoto 10 years ago

With Campo specializing in secondary, I can definitely envision improvement in all secondary positions. Last year we had talent that probably wasn't getting properly coached because Vic was more than a little distracted with the unexpected promotion into his first ever D.C. task.

I also think we have some potential with guys like Victor Simmons and the Dexters, McDonald and Linton at corner, Then, if you ask me, the undersized LB Prinz Kande should slide back into his natural safety spot, especially if we revert back to the 4-3 where he would have virtually no value as an outside LB. If you remember, he was a 4 star safety with huge upside. He has a rare combination of physicality, speed and ball skills. I think he could be better than Terry at safety. Senior Lubbock Smith has a lot of experience there too.

Jayhawk2016 10 years ago

Dexter McDonald is no longer on the team

KGphoto 10 years ago

Oops. I can't keep track. I still like the talent level of the secondary, unless there are other losses I don't know about.

texashawk10 10 years ago

Lubbock Smith is still on the team and he's a competent safety to play with McDougald. KU's secondary isn't bad, but when they're having to cover for 6-7the seconds because the DLine can't get pressure, the secondary is going to give up a lot of yards and get burned regularly.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 10 years ago

I would love to see Baty here but why is Michael Cummings continually counted out?

Star rankings don't mean everything, but they are not a bad indicator either. Cummings had the same star ranking as Webb, Pick, and Berglund. He is kind of an unknown because he was a red shirt last year. Lets not forget that Webb was a spread guy and Berglund was only popular for making headlines for his off the field behavior. No reason to believe Berglund and Cummings were not equal QBs. I wouldn't be surprised if we had a decent back up option emerge between Cummings, Jablonski, or Pick if they have him pull double duty like Meier did.

Mark Lindrud 10 years ago

Cummings is being overlooked because he has no game experience and for the near future we need a backup with starting experience. Down the road Cummings will probably be more of a factor, but either way I am okay with recruiting JUCO players this year to fill out our squad while we sprinkle in hs kids to be given time to mature.

KGphoto 10 years ago

Mecham had plenty of JUCO game experience and couldn't beat out Webb with it. Cummings has a gun and the ability to make plays with his feet. Plus, the guy just seems to have a fire about him. He's a tough kid and I think if he were 6'2" or 6'3" he would be compared more closely to Berglund, and the game experience wouldn't be as much of a factor. In fact if Weis buries him on the depth chart I could see a transfer coming. He's too talented to be 3rd string.

Ethan Berger 10 years ago

Hit it on the head with his height. He has some wheels and from I've heard could launch it. Maybe he can be the Black Brees!

Matt Tait 10 years ago

I love Cummings' skill set and think he's incredibly talented, but to answer your question, he's a little undersized and not exactly the prototypical pro-style QB.

I'd never count him out, but he was recruited as a dual-threat guy and the transition could be tough.

Time will tell.

Bangkok_Jayhawk 10 years ago

Our 2 biggest immediate needs...

***QB- Check! Crist-YEA! Heaps-YEA! (He is the best 12 year old QB I have ever seen!)

***DLine- Not bad! Seems to be in a better state than people are giving it credit. College players usually get better every year.

Williams- Lets see what he can do as a senior. They guy has the strength to be effective. Young- Maybe year 2 as a DT will be better? McKinny... JUCO guy with size and hopefully some talent. JUCO guys are wild cards. Reed... JUCO guy with size and hopefully some talent. JUCO guys are wild cards. Stowers... JUCO guy with size and hopefully some talent. JUCO guys are wild cards.

Ends- Opurum... Decent pass rusher... Improving overall. Agostinho... Should solid against the run. Lewandowski... Should be solid against the run. Goodman, Reynolds, Daniel... Lets see how they are with a year under their belts. Hopefully there is a good pass rusher between the 3.

utahjayhawk 10 years ago

How about LB? Weren't we really weak there last year?

Dirk Medema 10 years ago

There are lots of options at LB. My guess is there has been some evaluation of the current stock, and a determination made regarding whether they have the ability to contribute with proper leadership just as the coaches have.

LB's also fall into the same situation as DB's to some extent - if the DL isn't active enough (occupying OL vs. getting to the QB's) then the LB's aren't able to do their job.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years ago

Lubbock, TX or Lawrence, KS????.... Is that even a question?

I went to Lubbock to visit a friend and that town is like Manhattan, KS...

No guy on their main street/ bar area (like our very own Mass St.) holding up a sign that says legalize it, no law saying you can carry up to an O and have it count as a ticket as our mauor didnt want a "lil experimentation in college to ruin a students life"...I haven't smoked for years but, that just gives you an idea of the real culture of Lawrence, a great town where you will be treated like a king, and close enough to Kansas City, (unlike kstate in Manhattan KS) where you can't go to a bar without seeing cowboy hats( and I don't mean Dallas Cowboy hats)...

KU is the best college town (growing up in Chicago and seeing the Sears tower everyday out my window) and now living in California, I cannot express to recruits how great college is in Lawrence. People who hadn't been to Kansas asked me why I would leave Chicago to go to school in Kansas, and after hearing a fellow Chitowner say, It's not "Kansas", its Lawrence I began using that same quote myself. To this day I thank god that I didn't go to school at iniversoty of illinois in Chicago (UIC) and still have a friend who regrets not transferring to Kansas (he left Southern Illinois- a party school in its own right that had the national guard out on Halloween every year until recently) after he visited KU and to this day he says he wishes he had finished at KU instead of UIC...

Come to Lawrence, you will never regret it.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years ago

University of Illinois Chicago, not to be confused w Iniversoty... Gotta check my posts before I hit post...

So really... Lubbock, TX or Lawrence, KS???

Not even a decision. Trust that. Come to Lawrence, Jordan! You will not be happier in your college choice (this shoukd not even be a decision)!

Clarence Haynes 10 years ago

Lawrence is a classy college town close to an urban center (KCMO) with much to do! Lawrence is not just about going to the games at AFH or Memorial Stadium, but it is a town that has an interesting history and many things to expeience including a variety of bars and restaurants, good shopping, and recreational activities. Judging from their quotes, I believe that when recruits first visit Lawrence, they often times see the antithesis of what they envisage and that leads me to sense that the University and its recruiters could probably play up better, the favorable living experience in Lawrence.

Randy Bombardier 10 years ago

That is a T-shirt waiting to be produced, "It's not Kansas, it's Lawrence."

It is a great college town.

Chris Bailey 10 years ago

Yeah I say we get that shirt printed!

Ethan Berger 10 years ago

The one argument I can make for Tech is that their girls will do anything. Kind of nasty but 18-20 year old kids love that.

cobweb 10 years ago

Lubbock looks like the surface of the moon. Bobby Knight went into exile there.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years ago

We need to get some help at Defensive Back as well... I cannot wait for some of these "singing day surprises" as Charlie puts it. Go KU!!! Get the DB situation figured out and we will be set!! Never been so excited for KU Football, I look at the football part of this sire more than I do basketball for the first time ever. Thank you coach Weis! Can't wait to field a competitve football team and not shut the tv off after 30 mins for the first time since our one fluke (Orange Bowl year).

Jeffery Barrett 10 years ago

singing day.....? LOL! You really do need to preview your posts!

JayDocMD 10 years ago

I hear Coach Weis will sign some WR's with excellent "Jazz Hands"

vd 10 years ago

Charlie's twin Chaz can dance, so why do you think charlie can't sign?

Michael Pannacciulli 10 years ago

What are the "roadblocks" preventing Beaty from Michigan and OU...academic?

jhox 10 years ago

Roadblocks must mean lack of an offer. If OU is involved, academics is not likely the reason he would be blocked.

april28 10 years ago

Interesting stuff. Two sides to every story. I always feel for kids who have parents in two places.

He's obviously successful at Juco - might be an ideal candidate to fill the back-up role.

JHawk74 10 years ago

Hopefully Michael Cummings and/or Blake Jablonski will be allowed to get some early season playing time in case we would lose QB1 and QB2 during the season to injury. Or would Kale Pick have to move back to QB? Kale at least has game experience at the position. It would seem Kale could be used in an emergency if needed. It would seem there would be 1 or 2 Juco QB available to recruit other than Baty, if Baty doesn't sign.

Chris Bailey 10 years ago

Who do you have at QB2 currently? After Crist we don't have anyone. Heaps has to sit out this season. Webb is gone so we have Cummings and Jablonski and Pick (probably an emergency only) on the roster currently.

Kansashawk 10 years ago

Interesting article about Baty and all that controversy. Unfortunately, you could probably say that about a good number of high school kids today.

Buck Bukaty 10 years ago

Hopefully for Mr. Tavai there won't be the not-so-unusual west Texas dust storms in Lubbock during his visit. Nothing like picking sand from your teeth, nose, and eyes!

flyingfinn 10 years ago

Does any one have any more information on Baty. "Roadblocks" at Michigan and Oklahoma throws up a red flag to me meaning academic problems, personal problems or both.

Matt Tait 10 years ago

No, it's nothing bad, just the fact that offers never came. He visited both and OU was very interested but I read that when Landry Jones decided to come back they backed off...

Chris Bailey 10 years ago

If you have a Jayhawk slant subscription the article is on there and tells all about it. One school signed their top guy so the offer didn't come so not a big deal.

JayHok 10 years ago

According to slant, Weis is also going after another Juco All American with some nice D1 schools on his list. Fehoko Fanaika.

TXJAYHAWK7 10 years ago

Im not sold on Crist being the starter if CW opens up the competition I think he may be surprised who emerges as the best qb. Difference in a "prostyle" qb and a dual threat is one can tuck and roll and one can tuck and hobble Height used to be a factor but guys like Drew Brees make that less important every season in the pros. I want to see a open competition and who knows we may have a 5 th year senior beign the back up

TXJAYHAWK7 10 years ago

skill set is there I think this spring will be great hope to see you at the spring game

JayHok 10 years ago

Nice video TXJAYHAWK.

Cummings certainly looks good. I know he had that knee injury but surely he's recovered from it by now. Looking forward to April 28th.

Rock Chalk

John Randall 10 years ago

Who was that guy? I couldn't read the name on the jersey.

Ethan Berger 10 years ago

Crist got the shaft at ND. By the time he was ready, he got injured and then the system change and kelly really never wanted him to start.

ShamrockJayhawk 10 years ago

Short of Dayne sufferring another injury, he is QB1 for EVERY game next year. He and Weis are VERY tight. Dayne is not an 18 year old kid coming out of high school with no college starts. He is a 6' 4" 240 lb transfer from Notre Dame with a cannon of an arm. He has game day experience against some of the best programs in the country. For Dayne to pass on the opportunity at Wisconsin, you have to believe that he and Weis have talked this through.

Mark Lindrud 10 years ago

Sounds like Weis will get another QB and I hope he gets more LB's and DB's and I would say this class is going to be pretty solid.

JayHok 10 years ago

Who knows if Crawley will sign with CU on Feb 1st. Right now it would be a decent bet, but not for certain. Looking at his twitter, there are several concerned CU fans asking ---- is it certain you're coming to CU? Or ----- you're securely signing with CU right? It's time to start preparing for a PAC 12 championship!----

Also in a pretty recent tweet he gives a shout out to the beautiful women on KU's campus.

Whether he signs with CU or not it is interesting to see how close it really was. Looks like we're bringing in solid players all around with or without him.

Also interesting that he keeps tweeting about a sponsor. I probably don't know what that means in this day and age, but perhaps if he signs with CU we can revisit what the term sponsor actually means. Until then, here's holding out hope he will change his avatar one more time to crimson and blue. Can't recall the last time we were even close to getting a 4 star CB. Weis and company are serious about recruiting, fundamentals and the weight room --- that's where this all starts and that's why April 28th will be a great day to be a Jayhawk fan!


TXJAYHAWK7 10 years ago

Just hope this 'sponsor doesnt end up being one like Lache Seastrunk with Oregon kid has talent would love to see him in the blue

Vernon Riggs 10 years ago

Kale Pick can still throw the ball and makes a heck QB if we needed him.

Cecil Connor 10 years ago

Baty has an interesting background. His father, Greg Baty, was a TE at Stanford and with the Miami Dolphins. He led his HS in New Canaan CT to 4 straight state titles. The article above states he also won the Junior College national championship. Sounds like a winner!

gardenjay 10 years ago

Nice to have some classy fans to talk to. I used to enjoy the Nebraska rivalry, but they're gone now, so maybe ND commenting will suffice :)

JayHok 10 years ago

Campo is apparently in contact with Nas Moore out of East LA Community College according to Slant. 8 interceptions last year. It's between KU, BYU and SDSU.

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