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Kansas head coach Bill Self huddles with his team late in the second half on Saturday, Jan. 21, 2012 at the Frank Erwin Center.
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KU coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 69-66 victory over Texas on Jan. 21, 2012.
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Tyshawn Taylor and Thomas Robinson
Tyshawn Taylor and Thomas Robinson talk to reporters following the Jayhawks' 69-66 victory over Texas on Jan. 21, 2012.
KU vs. Texas
Austin, Texas — Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self wasn’t tempted to foul J’Covan Brown — instead of letting him hoist a possible game-tying three — on Texas’ final possession.
“I’m not one of those coaches who believe you have to foul at three (-point lead),” said Self, who last spoke to his team during a timeout with 8.8 seconds left — just before Thomas Robinson toed the free-throw line for two attempts with KU leading, 68-66.
Robinson made the second of the two charities.
“The only way (Self may have ordered a foul) is if I called a timeout after Thomas made the second one. Then you are set, but Rick (Barnes, UT coach) has a chance then to do some things. I just said, ‘Let’s play.’’’
Self stressed that he didn’t want to inject negative thoughts in the timeout before Robinson’s free throws. He did not want to suggest Robinson might miss one or even both.
“I told our guys, ‘When we are up by four ... but if anything bad happens this is how we’ll guard,’” Self said with a smile.
No moral victory: Texas cut a 15-point deficit to three in the first half. In the second half, UT again trailed by 15, eventually taking a four-point lead down the stretch.
“Obviously, we are about winning. No one could ever say that we are going to accept the fact that we did not win. I think we should win every time we go on to the court, no matter what year it is,” said Texas coach Rick Barnes, whose young team fell to 2-4 in league play. “The frustration would be with the way we start games. There is absolutely no reason for it.
“The one thing you want as a coach is consistency. You want to know what you are going to get. We said from the beginning that we are not going to say anything about ‘young guys.’ I think it is a mind-set you have to come out with. You have to know that the other team is going to come out at you. Our whole game plan was the way we played the last 10 minutes of the game. We wanted to run and get our actions quicker. We did not do that. We played from behind, and then came back.”
Faces in crowd: Former KU player Chase Buford attended with his dad, R.C. Buford, general manager of the San Antonio Spurs, and his mom, former KU golfer Beth Boozer. Texas senior Alexis Wangmene is Chase’s adopted brother. ... Former KU forward Moulaye Niang also was on hand.
Barnes on KU’s poise after the Jayhawks lagged by four (64-60 with 3:22 left): “I think at the end of the game, they executed. There was no doubt that they were going to go through Thomas Robinson, and they were driving the ball and getting it to the glass. There were a couple of costly turnovers earlier in the game. We threw the ball away in transition, and some of our shot selections were not great. I think one of the biggest things is learning to make the extra pass, to make it easier on each other on offense. We do not do that. Basketball is a game of spaces. We have to fight for spaces, and we do not do that enough.
Stats, facts: KU is 6-0 in the Big 12 for the third time in the Self era and for the sixth time in the 16-year history of the Big 12. ... KU has won seven straight road games. ... KU held Texas scoreless for 6:53 while building a 22-7 first-half lead. … KU made 10 of its first 15 shots and went on to finish 25-for-56 (44.6 percent). ... KU hit 60.9 percent the first half. KU has shot 60 percent or better in a half in four of six league games (Oklahoma second half; Texas Tech second half; Baylor second half; Texas first half). ... KU led all the way until the 5:36 mark of the second half. ... UT outrebounded KU, 42-35. KU has been outrebounded in three of 19 games. KU had its second-lowest turnover count of the season with six turnovers (five vs. Towson). ... Tyshawn Taylor had 22 points, his third-straight 20-point game and the eighth of his career. ... Elijah Johnson hit his team-leading 32nd three-pointer of the season in the first 20 seconds of the game and now has at least one three in all but two games this season.
• A previous version of this story has been updated.
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Comments
actorman 1 year, 4 months ago
"KU had a season-low six turnovers (five vs. Towson) ..."
It's been a while since I've studied math so I may be wrong on this, but isn't five less than six? If that's the case, then wouldn't five be the season low?
Bangkok_Jayhawk 1 year, 4 months ago
Go get em actorman!!!
dagger108 1 year, 4 months ago
New math?
SuperCorona 1 year, 4 months ago
Six is the new five.
lando30 1 year, 4 months ago
Haha +1
sniper60 1 year, 4 months ago
Towson is 0-20 so they dont count! ;-)
Jesse Newell 1 year, 4 months ago
It's been fixed above.
oldalum 1 year, 4 months ago
Non-con doesn't count?
KU62 1 year, 4 months ago
The correction is up, but ignoring results against 0-20 team below 300 in RPI may be best ... like we do for NAIA or Div II 'exhibitions'. Towson is usually not so bad, but this year (first game in Nov) they are very young and have no size.
fansincewilt 1 year, 4 months ago
I like the confidence Self has in his defense.
drgnslayr 1 year, 4 months ago
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!
I can't think of any D1 coach that sticks up more for his players than Self.
Giving in to the foul here may be the best strategic move sometimes, but CS takes these opportunities to show his faith in his players to go out there and win it with gutsy play.
More than any other great attribute Bill Self has, his constant support (in all areas) for his players has made him tops in my books!
He has shown his faith in players over and over again... to the point of playing Selby all those horrible minutes in the VCU game. Many can view it as what cost us the game and championship, but would we have been in that position without Self being Self? No way!
We live in a fast world, and it is rare to find anyone today who lives by such strong convictions. Self will never be a sell-out and his legacy will show how value is in the intangibles, not the all-mighty tangible buck!
ralster 1 year, 4 months ago
Self had to try Selby vs. VCU, when the other designated shooters were missing all night. Remember Selby hit 2 treys in the same gym 2 nights before vs. Richmond Spiders. Also, Selby does have that swagger to still have the cojones to attempt open-look 3s in crunchtime...like he saved our bacon vs USC at home. All we needed vs VCU was 2 more 3s out of all we missed. Definite pucker factor, as Markieff even airballed a late 3. Nothing to lose by trying Selby. Sometimes raw talent can make a difference (or not). Calipari makes a $4mil/yr living based on "raw" talent...not that we shift our whole philosophy, but nothing to lose in Selby trying his hand vs VCU. If Self never put him in, we would be lamenting why our #1PG recruit sat on the bench while we lost...
ca_hawk06 1 year, 4 months ago
2 impressive stats: 6-0 for only the third time under self and the consecutive road wins. That shows toughness and maturity, especially in a game like this. I believe in these guys
wissoxfan83 1 year, 4 months ago
What impressed me was when we went down by four, the crowd is going nuts, a sense of doom probably came over some of us, I admit, I wasn't sure how we'd finish, and then 8-2 the rest of the way. Not quite a run, but giving up only 2 points the rest of the way was quite the defensive feat.
jhawk7782 1 year, 4 months ago
Agree..this type of win will get you far in the NCAA championship.
carterpatterson 1 year, 4 months ago
What a great rebound that Withey had at the end after TRob got blocked. He gets better each week and he's a key player on our D right now. He is hitting free throws as well. Just thought he needed a mention.
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
"On Self and Barnes"
~Self coaches strategy and tactics and fundamentals up to a point, but when the game hangs in a balance, he believes in tipping it by coaching to achieve positive mental attitude, so his players will perform best, and be most responsive to whatever unforeseen opportunities arise. Its not infallible, but I would rather win this way and lose this way, than by trying to force things that cannot happen based on a false belief in being able to foretell he future. Nothing is written. The future unfolds. Those that see it through a positive lens are most apt to seize on its opportunities and not stall because they focused a moment too long on their failed expectation of what did not happen.
Self is a basketball genius. And he would have been even if Brown had made the last shot. No Tao is perfect. Perfection is not an option. Taking what is given and using it to your and your team's advantage makes the most of what is possible.
~Rick Barnes, though I started out detesting him and his butcher ball, is recently starting to turn into a heckuva coach. He is trying to get better. He is having a down season, because he is trying to get better and because he lacks some pieces he has not lacked in the past. But he got a tremendous amount out of a team with just two guards and a lot of role players. I doubt he could never have done this 4-5 seasons ago.
Barnes has always been extremely guarded about how he coaches his team to play, as if he were guarding a secret gold mine and didn't want to share it. It has always made him seem a less than generous coach and person, though I am sure he was just a ferocious competitor and a good person doing it the way the though was necessary to win a conference title and a ring. But something happened to Rick Barnes the last couple years. He seems finally to recognize that he is a very good coach, who was not getting the most out of some of the amazing talent that he was recruiting. It took a series of beatings by Self and some others. It took a series of great seasons and very good teams not quite achieving their potential (and I'm not talking about failing to win rings, or titles, but not reaching their performance potential).
jhawkrulz 1 year, 4 months ago
Stopped reading into the second paragraph of Rick Barnes, when nothing you wrote made sense. I didn't realize there were four more posts (or so) that I was able to skip past.
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
Cool.
I can never make hide nor hair of what you write either.
What's great about the net is there is plenty of bandwidth for mutual disrespect. :-)
What I do appreciate about you is that you are willing to be a punching bag.
Thx. :-)
jhawkrulz 1 year, 4 months ago
My point is that the article is about half as long as your ummm I don't know...ramblings. Please just bring in your thoughts in a concise orderly fashion.
It seems like you are getting longer and longer, just for the sake of talking rather than actually sharing insight.
I don't care if people share...just don't make your comments more important than the article itself.
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
Last night's Texas team despite the flaws Barnes surgically pointed out early on, and despite revealing his intolerance for excuses and mistakes and his near hatred of losing, also revealed a side of himself that will make him a success one day soon, and make him contribute something lasting and important to basketball.
"Basketball is a game of spaces. We have to fight for spaces, and we do not do that enough." --Rick Barnes
This is the kind of deceptively simple, distilled and brilliant insight about basketball that I have grown accustomed to from Self.
This is not is not the ordinary and long understood statement about "getting our spacing right" on offense. This statement goes much deeper (and more originally) into the nature of the game than "getting your spacing right" even begins to contemplate.
Rick Barnes views the court as an array of key pieces of real estate that have to be taken and occupied, at least briefly, so that either an offense, or a defense, can effectively do what needs to be done.
Barnes views the court like Nimitz viewed an ocean--as a series of wet, or dry, stepping stones one had to take and hold in order to get to the goal. The corollary is that there are a lot of spaces on the court that don't matter; that one ought to ignore entirely; that winning hinges on taking, holding the key real estate and then executing on that real estate the next move to the goal.
Barnes expression penetrated to the heart of the game in a way I had never heard or seen before. And it explains so much about why Barnes' teams play the way they do.
Its not just that a post man needs to take the space on the block and hold it, so he can be in a position to score; that is an age old heuristic of the game. Barnes has expanded the heuristic into a rule of play all over the floor. It explains why Barnes teams play so rough, on the one hand, yet do not engage in flagrant cheap shotting on the other (as I now believe I wrongly used to think they did).
Barnes coaches his players to "take" a space on the court that the offensive, or the defensive scheme, requires to be effective. Barnes coaches them to take it at any cost. And that is why KU players often get badly mauled by Texas players in many games. Just as Bill Self coaches take what they give us on offense, and Rick Barnes coaches take the real estate we need to do what we need to do. It is a sharply different way to play the game and this clash of approaches has over the years led to some of the most memorable games in college basketball, and almost always leads to exciting games that take surprising twists and turns and.
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
While Self's and Barne's approaches differ sharply on offense, they are in fact quite similar on defense. Self's vaunted and tenacious m2m defense is hugely about controlling the real estate around the ball. So is Barnes's defense. There are places and spaces on the court that both coaches say an offense is not allowed to operate.
The essense is Self Defense is that an offensive player is NOT allowed to move forward. KU defenders declare each game that the space in front of the man they guard is theres. To this end they are coached footwork, reaching, and even how and when to close down to force the ball movement perpendicular to the basket. It is why young players in Self Defense suffer a lot of blow bys. It is why Self strongly favors strong perimeter guys that also have turn and burn speed. To force the ball side ways, you have to be strong enough to block the driving penetration, but also fast enough to recover and chase like hell. On defense, Self's players are taking real estate all over the court, wherever an offender holds the ball. The great hedge defensive play of KU bigs is also driven by this imperative. If the opponent screens a KU guard, to take away his turn and burn, Self insists that a big man not just switch off momentarily, but jump into the offensive guard's space in front of him and defend him like a guard, then turn and burn to cover his post assignment the second the KU defensive guard can regain the space in front of the guard.
Barnes' defense is quite similar in effect, but again, it seems to be driven by a slightly different articulation of the imperative. Barnes' teams seem much more focused on keeping opposing players out of even getting to spaces. Barnes' defense basically says, there are spaces on the floor that you are not allowed to stand on. Barnes seems to study film, decide where opposing teams' preferred shooting locations are and says, "Those are spaces we will stop you from occupying, or even getting to."
And Barnes is so good at this kind of defensive scheme that in a game like yesterday, where KU shot the lights out the first half, because they were getting to spaces on the floor that KU apparently liked (the implication being that Barnes had perhaps misjudged which spaces to take and hold in game preparation, even though Barnes put the blame on his young players for not taking the spaces he told them to take), well, in a half time, you get the feeling Barnes holds up a shot chart of the floor with a grid overlay and says, "See these spots where they took their shots and made 60%? Well, this next half they are not even going to get to the spots, because you are going to do whatever it takes to prevent them from ever taking those spots. And if you don't, then I'll find some players that can and you are going to hate practice next week."
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
All coaches communicate through shot charts from time to time, but I doubt even Self thinks about owning a certain few fixed square feet on the floor, as I suspect Barnes does to his players. Texas players are truly terrific at getting in what you think is your space and making it theres. And when they started doing what their coach tried to get them to do, KU's offense previously smooth and efficient offense suddenly began to look like an ant colony in which all the ferromone trails had been interrupted and the ants began going off course in random and uncoordinated movements.
Granny Barnes so far lacks the kind of global genius for flexibility that Self possesses, but he possesses the kind of global genius for systematic intervention and destabilization of systems that marks a leader on the verge of greatness.
I know his team has a bad record. I know his talent level is down. I know it is a good time to pile on him and hope the leaders of UT get impatient and dump this unusually smart coach, so that UT will hire a moron. But I think Rick Barnes is maturing into a coach who can and will bring a new dimension to the game; that is my highest compliment for a coach. There is deep method to his madness, not butcher ball barbarianism as I had long thought.
And the only way I could discover this about Rick was for Rick Barnes to quit whining about referees, arenas, or player mistakes (which he still does a bit too much), an reveal a something of himself and his coaching style.
I doubt the Rick Barnes of even a few years ago would have been that revealing about what he thinks and understands about the game.
But the Rick Barnes of today could. I believe Self and Barnes have, through the searing fire of repeated competition, developed a profound respect for each other, and a kind of tolerance and trust, also. The way Rick Barnes plays the game has made Self better, just as Self once said playing Tom Izzo's teams while Self coached Illinois made Self a better coach, despite the striking differences in approach.
And it appears to me that Barnes coaching against Self has finally begun to make Barnes get better too. The next time Barnes has a load of talent that has learned to play his game of spaces on the sacred wood for a full 40 minutes, watch out.
Self is a genius. Barnes may be, too...just a different kind.
dylans 1 year, 4 months ago
Jaybate I enjoy reading your posts, but sometimes I need the cliffs note version. That being said keep up the passion! You are undeniably a jayhawk through and through.
ralster 1 year, 4 months ago
Like your take on Barnes--its possibly because we arent given much insight into how he coaches & analyzes, as we actually got in this story. I actually thought better of him as a coach after reading this article.
Which doesnt mean Im conceding any of Self's superlatives-->his record against just-about-everybody speaks for the hammer of credibility Self has...
Self>coachK (list upon request). Self>Roy (list ready, although Roy was great in his own way). Self>>Barnes. Self>>>Drew. Self>Izzo. Self>Wright. Self>Dixon. Self>Howland. And yes, Self definitely >> Ben Jacobsen, Shaka, and Brad Stevens: (where are UNI, VCU, Butler right about now...?)
Seems like the biggest "homer" list this side of Simpson, but think about each one...and every aspect of KU bball, and the results.
ParisHawk 1 year, 4 months ago
"Self>coachK (list upon request)."
Consider this a request for the list. He Who Must Not Be Spelled has an incredible resumé.
jhawkdan42 1 year, 4 months ago
WOW wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow
jhawk7782 1 year, 4 months ago
Agree about underachievement but unless he decides to leave, Barnes will be back. With twelve consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances and twelve consecutive 20-win seasons, I can't see him getting fired.
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
"Coaching Hires and the Evil Count Doddula"
We have to hope DeLoss buys into what you say. 9 chances out of 10 it would be really good for KU. Most coaches Texas would hire would be easier for Self to beat. A few would not.
Coach Consonants is a tough out, but won't leave Duke.
Izzo is a tough out, but probably won't leave MSU.
Pitino would be and he's got a ring, and he's made himself available, but he's got the alleged adultery baggage.
But how worried would a state like Texas be about a little alleged adultery? I mean, what the hell? They assassinate Presidents down there and run oilcos down there. How sensitive can they really be?
If DeLoss really wants a title and a ring, he should hire Slick Rick, who seems to me to have intentionally sidelined himself to give his black clouds time to dissipate, and so open him up to being hired by some desparate-to-win-a-ring big school like Texas, or some former blue blood program fallen on hard times, like UCLA.
Slick Rick's a little long in the tooth and a little slick for Texas, but Texas has gotten a taste of good basketball money with Barnes and there has to be some serious itch for ex KState and apparent KU hater Deloss to go for a ring at any cost, now when his career is near an end, and Deloss would not likely be around for the possible blow back that sometimes comes with hiring Pitino.
jhawkrulz 1 year, 4 months ago
A classic example again of your failure to be concise. Here a writer wrote a small paragraph, and you right 3 full posts. It isn't necessary.
jhawkdan42 1 year, 4 months ago
He can't help it. There are people on this board that hang on every word(the more the better) that he types. I really think Jaybate is an intelligent ,insightful poster, but some times(more rather then fewer) the ramblings turn into a one upmanship against himself. I really do try to scroll past most of bates posts but sometimes like a carwreck I can't help but to lool.
KU62 1 year, 4 months ago
JB seems to be one of those writers who only discover what they really think by writing it down and seeing where it leads.
Unfortunately, he hasn't the discipline (of himself) or the courtesy (toward readers) to edit away even the smallest iota of dross between his cogent points.
I'm interested learning styles, so I read all five attempts to say one thing and then try to decide which three or four should have been discarded.
Your right ... I have a lot of time to occupy.
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
Crean has done a huge turn around at Indiana and has proven he can be moved by money to a new program, but I am not sure he could give Self more fits than Pitino, or Barnes. And Tom may want to prove himself at Indiana for a few years before trying to cash in again with a motion play.
A great, and probably honorable, hire Deloss could make for Texas would be Buzz Williams at Marquette. Marquette's teams play as well as Self's do. Buzz has been playing against a lot of terrific Big East coaches and teams the last 5 years and he's developed his Okie Ball a long ways. Buzz could give Self trouble in much the same way, but perhaps more so, that Billy Gillispie has given Self. Like styles produce problems.
But the best hire Deloss could make is the one that worries me most: Bill Self.
Texas has a history of hiring coaches raised in Oklahoma in football.
And Texas has even more money bags than T. Boone Pickens to sweeten the pot for Bill Self.
Texas could easily offer Bill Self $20M signing bonus and $5-6 million per year.
I doubt even Self could say no to that.
So with one bold stroke, Deloss could both give Texas the best coach in the country, and take the best coach in the country away from Texas' primary obstruction to winning Big 12 basketball titles--KU.
I would not hesitate to do it, if I were Deloss and Texas. Why be rich and powerful and corrupt, if you're not going to use its advantages to advance your agenda? :-)
And if I were Bill Self, I would seriously consider an offer from Texas. The Chancellor/AD regime that brought Bill Self to KU is gone. The new KU regime appears to be prioritizing football. As Self gets older, recruiting travel gets harder, not easier. At Texas, Self's travel time for recruiting would be greatly diminished. Most of the talent he would need he could get straight out of Texas with little schmoozing. He would be able to focus what travel he would require almost entirely on OADs and 5-stars, because the Texas high school ranks could provide all the 3-4 year type players he uses without missing a night away from home. Further, a jump to Texas would ensure the media would become his ally instead of his obstacle, in terms of hyping his program. Finally, no matter how much money they paid him, the fan expectations would be lower at Texas than they are at KU.
jaybate 1 year, 4 months ago
Texas has never won a ring. They would be thrilled to be winning 84% of their games and going deep in the tournament. Football is the only sport they have absurd expectations about. And if Self won a ring, then he would be safe there for life. Bottom line: Self could make as much, or more, money at Texas than in the NBA and have a much, much easier life than in the NBA. His bureaucratic position would be stronger than it currently appears to be at KU, because he would be working for persons invested in him. He already has FU money from his years at KU. But a jump to Texas would make Self and his family a formidable transgenerational financial entity; that's not a bad thing--ask Oral Roberts family. :-)
One other nasty thing apparent KU-hater Deloss Dodds could do is hire Danny Manning. Hiring Danny would be a big gamble, however, because Danny has never been a head coach and it would be starting out cold in a charged atmosphere. But it would undermine KU's successful coaching staff, establish Texas as a big man school, and be a great, great PR move.
No, if you really want to stick it to KU, and you're Deloss Dodds, you go to some alumni and line up the $20M signing bonus. It will take from one to five phone calls in Texas, and it will be done. Yes, they'd have to come up with more money for Mac, but the oil bidness has been very, very good for more than a decade now.
Oh, how I hope this does not happen!!!!!!
Stay, Bill, stay!
There's some good things money can't buy.
Alas there are some levels of society that only transgenerational financial power can buy access to.
Does anyone have some garlic, silver bullets, a cross and good, solid post to protect us all from the predations of Count Doddula?
Like any good vampire, he works from dusk to dawn.
Cindy? Cindy Self! Please make sure Bill stops working so late at the office, where a burnt orange bat might come flying in an open window, or door. Try to get Bill home before sundown every night the next year, until Count Doddula decides what to do about Rick Barnes. And close your windows and doors for us. I know. You have to think of what's best for your family and Bill and Texas could set you all for generations to come. But beware. The bite of burnt orange bats is said to be lethal.
(Note: I've been having some fun here. It just occurs to me that I haven't even checked to see if Deloss is still Texas AD. Is he? Regardless, after what Self has done for Kansas basketball, he has earned the right to cash in, if he wants to. And we'll go find some great new coach and he'll see. Just being a genius isn't enough. You've got to have the Phog on your side, too!)
bobbysfissure 1 year, 4 months ago
Bill Self is cashing in now. He is the head basketball coach at the best college basketball school in the country. He is already earning more money than he will ever spend. Some people have character and it is never all about money with them. Bill Self is one of those people.
Basketball is not rocket science. In a way it is like chess. Those who control the center will usually win. Those who have the best players will usually win. Some have a special ability to direct and inspire. Bill Self is one of those people. Bill also has a wonderful staff who's knowledge of the game is apparent. Here is a spot where coach Self has it all over Rick Barnes as observed in this most recent game if you noticed the lunatic sitting next to Rick during the time outs. Some people never understand that basketball is a game and those who play should be having a lot of fun. The Kansas players are having a ball. Basketball is a team sport and nothing is more fun than working with others and making them better and a success. Synergy is most important in this game. Self's teams show this and when he has completed his mission at the University he will undoubtedly go down as our best coach ever. I for one take my hat to him.
vd 1 year, 4 months ago
There are 2 parts to college sports coaching. The first part is recruiting. Barnes and Drew get A's in this department. They would be idiots to fire these guys.
REHawk 1 year, 4 months ago
Well, one thing seems very apparent . Scott Drew and Rick Barnes can recruit super talented high school players to their programs, but are not so talented at recruiting and fitting meaningful pieces for their winning coaching puzzles, as is Bill Self. Self fits the depiction of the legendary Texas Rangers gunslinger, "Not much can stop a man who knows he's in the right and keeps a'comin'". Barnes appears to possess a design for greatness, but perhaps lacks a bit of Bill Self's force of will to nudge his players into ironclad mindsets. Drew...well, at this stage of his coaching he is a powerplant on a constant redflag trend for meltdowns.
drgnslayr 1 year, 4 months ago
+1!
Big difference between Barnes and Self. You can see the connection Self has with his players. It is clear that he played college ball himself. I'm not sure what experience Barnes has as a player (if any).
I see this as the biggest difference and is the missing piece for Barnes and why he can't get over the hump. Otherwise... he is a class act and represents his school in the right light. Imagine how hard it is to coach in the state of Texas. The personality of the state is quite sensational; everything bigger, everything #1! I'm sure Barnes has left star players behind because it meant some form of cheating.... it may be the main reason for his obvious disdain for Drew. Drew has no boundaries on his actions.
I think Drew has the same disconnect with players plus has some big character flaws.
I enjoyed reading your gunslinger characterization: "Not much can stop a man who knows he's in the right and keeps a'comin'". Perfecto!
I'm going to remember that one for a long time! Well done, REHawk!
gdkadjayhawk 1 year, 4 months ago
Barnes played for Lenoir-Rhyne, 1974-1977. Not kidding.
bobbysfissure 1 year, 4 months ago
Bigger and better in Texas? Look at their moron governor. Mr. I can't remember three things. Texas is the state of stupidity. If there hadn't been oil there they would have all been dirt farmers and illiterates. If we keep burning fossil fuels they will all be living in a desert.
brooksmd 1 year, 4 months ago
Hey, if Barnes gets tossed by Texas maybe Self could hire him as an assistant and let him handle all the recruiting and relieve Self of some of the load. j/k
rwhawk 1 year, 4 months ago
PYSO!
dylans 1 year, 4 months ago
Post Your Socks Off? Pretty Young Single Officer? Pet Your Schlong Off? And here is my two year olds offering: Gggggqqqyyyhyby ggyj.,,,mbaaa
rwhawk 1 year, 4 months ago
"Put Your Shoes On!" -EJ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVq-sB...
dylans 1 year, 4 months ago
Oh yeah
PurePierce 1 year, 4 months ago
All this talk of coaches/coaching brings a wonderment to mind. Bball coaching is made up of two things, offense and defense. There are subsets of each, and inside the subsets are nuances. Basically every coach knows pretty much about these as does every other coach. The thing that gets me is there is a small group of coaches, HCBS, K, and Roy who win a very large majority of the games their teams play. Certainly each one excels in motivation and analysis which maybe sets him apart. But then you see that the spawn of these programs aren't nearly as successful as their mentors. They see it, hear it and live it, but they can't carry it with them.
I don't know if an infinite number of sports psychologists and analysts could define and explain the trait, or traits these uber-coaches possess, It surely mystifies me...
ralster 1 year, 4 months ago
Its the aura of their own persona: players and other people around Roy and Self have said that when these coaches enter a room, they "take it over" (with their charisma). We've all seen some of this side of Self in newsconferences and even in courtside quotes. Same about Roy, in a different mannerisms. Coach K doesnt strike me as that affable, but he is one who likely commands respect when he speaks as he has the 4 rings to give eternal credibility. He is a notch below Self in recruiting, and some of that is the type of players that Duke would accept. Self has no such assumed restrictions, other than his own internal way of finding us "good" kids--which he does an excellent job of. Coach K is about = to Roy in recruiting, and his biggest rival in coaching/recruiting...
yates33333 1 year, 4 months ago
I can never get my damn computer to let me comment on comments above. The idea that Barnes has underachieved as a basketball coach at U.T. is ludicrous. Check the history of U.T. basketball. They haven't been this good at BB since the 1940s. Basketball in the Southwest Conference was right up there with calf roping in the Ivy League.
okiedave 1 year, 4 months ago
Yates, sometimes after you hit "reply", you have to sign in again. After signing in you have to got back up and hit "reply" again.
yates33333 1 year, 4 months ago
It worked! Thanks. I've done this before and it didn't work. You're telekinetic, or something like that. Anyway, many thanks.
yates33333 1 year, 4 months ago
I tried to add this to my comment but the computer struck back again.
Facts about Barnes.
3 2009 Legends of Coaching Award recipient (Wooden Award) 3 All-time winningest coach in Texas history 3 Three-time Big 12 Conference Coach of the Year (1999, 2003, 2008) 3 Four-time NABC District 9 Coach of the Year (1999, 2001, ‘03, ‘08) 3 Two-time USBWA District 7 Coach of the Year (1999, 2001) 3 First coach in school history to guide Texas to 11 consecutive NCAA Tournaments and 10 straight 20-win seasons 3 First coach in school history to lead Texas to three straight trips to the “Sweet 16” (2002-04) 3 Led Texas to a No. 2 national ranking in 2002-03 and again in 2005-06, the highest ranking in school history 3 First coach in Clemson history to take the Tigers to three straight NCAA Tournaments 3 Led Clemson to a No. 2 national ranking in 1996-97, the highest ranking in school history 3 Led Providence to its first Big East Conference Tournament title in school history (1994)
jhawkdan42 1 year, 4 months ago
man crush? just kidding he is one heel of a recruiter and a good coach just not at the level of Self.
yates33333 1 year, 4 months ago
About ninety-nine percent of the men who have coached basketball should not be compared with Bill Self. It is grossly unfair to them. Barnes is a very good coach, Self is among the top 25 or so coaches in history in ranking and three, maybe four, coached at Kansas. Or to put it bluntly, there aint many Bill Self's around.
ralster 1 year, 4 months ago
...there aint many Bill Selfs around...
KU62 1 year, 4 months ago
You're certain he intended the plural and not the possessive?
JacquesMerde 1 year, 4 months ago
Jaybate may make sense at times with his half-arse comments of BB, but his social comments are to be kind about it offensive and stupid.
vide. "Pitino would be and he's got a ring, and he's made himself available, but he's got the alleged adultery baggage.
But how worried would a state like Texas be about a little alleged adultery? I mean, what the hell? They assassinate Presidents down there and run oilcos down there. How sensitive can they really be?"
Texas has about as much responsibility for Lee Harvey Oswald as Kansas does for the "In Cold Blood" killers. Likewise, you had the Ray Garvey Farms up there, many dripping with erl, er, oil. How sensible can jaybate be?
KU62 1 year, 4 months ago
I'll give you the Oswald comment, but I still assign full responsibility for Jack Ruby (the reason we'll never know if Oswald was even pertinent). At least we don't try to squirm out of the legacy of John Brown.
BTW, Jacques – Merde von ein Pferd oder ein Kuh, sprechen wir? I kind of prefer road apples to pasture patties, myself.
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