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Sunday, January 15, 2012

Cyclones find positives in close loss


The frustration was evident, but there were no tears in the Iowa State locker room following ISU’s 82-73 loss to No. 10 Kansas University on Saturday at Allen Fieldhouse.

Three days after nearly gutting out a victory at home against No. 9 Missouri, the Cyclones controlled Saturday’s game most of the way, but fell victim to one of those signature KU runs and walked away wondering what happened.

“It’s frustrating, sure, but you try to look at the positives,” said ISU sophomore Royce White, who led the Cyclones with 18 points and 17 rebounds in 28 minutes. “If Missouri’s 9 and Kansas is 10, we might be 11 or 12.”

After trailing 7-6 early on, Iowa State played from ahead until the 10:22 mark of the second half, when a bucket by KU’s Kevin Young put the Jayhawks in front, 63-61. Once Kansas got in front again, the Cyclones never were able to recover, and the final nine minutes looked a lot like the 12 games in the series that preceded this one.

The Jayhawks have won 13 straight games against the Cyclones. ISU’s last victory against KU came in 2005 — in Allen Fieldhouse, no less — and many Cyclones sensed that Saturday would be the day the streak would end.

“There are a lot of variables in a basketball game,” White said. “They’re one of the best teams in the country, and we knew they were gonna make a run. This is one of the hardest places to play, and as soon as they start to make their run, that crowd gets into it, and that was tough for us.”

Added ISU coach Fred Hoiberg: “The big thing we talked about is getting off to a good start. They come out of that locker room, and in the first five minutes it sometimes feels like they have six players on the floor.”

Early, the Cyclones did more than keep the KU crowd quiet. In jumping to a 17-7 lead, the Cyclones hit three three-pointers and played with the kind of swagger rarely seen from a visiting team in Allen Fieldhouse.

ISU built a lead of as many as 11 in the first half and led by nine four times and 10 four times.

“We went to a new offense, and I’m sure they hadn’t scouted it because this was our first game running it,” White said. “We had a five-out, nobody-in motion, and the whole point of it is just to keep the spacing real wide and high and leave lanes, and I think we did a pretty good job with it the whole game. We missed some shots that we normally make (down the stretch), but it’s a big-time venue. You can’t blame people for missing shots.”

After leading by three at halftime, the Cyclones pushed their lead to double digits — 50-40 — with a 7-0 run to start the second 20 minutes. Behind a stellar second half from senior guard Tyshawn Taylor and some serious toughness from center Jeff Withey, Kansas responded with a 30-11 run that put the Cyclones away.

White was more than willing to give Taylor credit for his big night, but also said the Cyclones’ emphasis on KU big man Thomas Robinson may have cost them.

“We knew he was their biggest threat coming in, and we wanted to try to contain him as much as possible,” White said of Robinson. “That’s how somebody like Tyshawn ends up getting 28. You worry so much about (Robinson), and someone else gets loose and has the opportunity to hit some big-time shots.”

Although the loss dropped ISU to 12-5 overall and 2-2 in Big 12 play, White said the team would build from the setback.

“We’re still growing as a team,” he said. “This is still our first (17) games together. We’ll get it.”

Asked if he was looking forward to another shot at the Jayhawks — Jan. 28, in Ames, Iowa — White smiled.

“Oh yeah,” he said. “You gotta look forward to that. When you’re a competitor and you basically had the game in your favor the whole time, you definitely look forward to a chance to get ’em back at your house.”


REHawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Well, the wise old pundits are braying that Big 12 titles will go through Lawrence, as a necessary consideration this season. Obviously, this Baylor contest will go a long way in determining which team will win or tie for the league title. I don't envision either the Bears or the Jayhawks folding and going on a steep demise before March. Though yet early in conference play, this game probably will be very crucial to either squad's hopes for finishing on top for the title.


longtimehawk 2 years, 3 months ago

The conference title is going through Baylor this year.


wildjayhawk 2 years, 3 months ago

Get ready for a real good old KU asswhoppen at Ames Iowa. Self get out and recruit.


William Blake 2 years, 3 months ago

White sliced through TRob like a piece of bread. The Whiffer stepped big time as another solid contributor to this team with his post d. I don't mean my comment as a criticism on TRob. He has to prevent himself from getting into foul trouble, especially knowing how teams push on him in hopes of making him lose composure.

It's part of the game that doesn't make it to the stat sheet. Few fans even notice it... TRob contributes often without doing anything but keeping his cool.

Great job, TRob! (and to TT for having the game of his life!) (and Paul Bunyon Whiffer!)


Mike Kendall 2 years, 3 months ago

It will be a tough game on Jan. 28th. You know what, though, not going to worry about that right now. It's one game at a time. We are definitely in the Conference grind and all focus should be on Baylor. I have seen Baylor play twice now, and, the way you beat them is in transition--make it a track meet. K-State did not do that. You play Baylor with a slow-down type tempo and try to beat them with your half-court offense, it could be a long night. Most of the time you will be on the short end of the scoreboard. That's my two-cents worth. We'll see if the Jayhawks speed up the tempo. Rock Chalk!


jhawkrulz 2 years, 3 months ago

I was hoping for a KSU and a vein blowing discussion. I'm also surprised that the LJW didn't include a 3 game losing streak article for KSU (KU fans love those).

Forgot who posted that they were waiting for the player to be benched and than transfer from the team. Just wanted to point out after the game, Martin had benched Angel and that Coach Martin wouldn't play him until he realized what an honor it was to play for K-State (I know a contradiction in terms, with that statement, I'm not sure anyone would play for K-State). What I was really going after, is it appears we will most likely have the first casualty of the season from Coach Martin's coaching style.

I also find it ironic that this is the same coach that was trying fiercely to get the Miami job last year.


jhawkrulz 2 years, 3 months ago

ISU made eight 3-pointers in the first half and only one in the second half.

That was the difference in the game, you can't convince me it was something else.

We scored about the same amount of points in the first half as the second half. The defense adjusted to the way ISU was creating 3 point opportunities and soon those uncontested 3s were being contested and ISU started pressing, which created a bigger gap.


REHawk 2 years, 3 months ago

White is a bright kid. I enjoyed reading his postgame comments, esp. the revelation regarding the Iowa State gameplan. Kudos to the Allen Fieldhouse crowd which created the level of pandemonium needed to stir a sense of love for TT and a sense of smothering confusion for the Cyclones in the last fifteen minutes yesterday. The total Jayhawk surge was exhilarating, even for televiewers. A somewhat disturbing league win, but, hey, we are 4-0. And we know that sometimes we can surge without Thomas on the floor.


hawkster007 2 years, 3 months ago

jaybate, I agree, and I have been making even a stronger point since early in the season. This is not a typical HCBS high-low team (after Withey or TRob goes out, the high-low sort of disappears or is ineffective because KU does not have the depth to run that offense). So I do think Self should diversify the offense and put in some new wrinkles.

KU won't win many games this year with TRob on the bench that long, and the combination of Withey and TT won't save the day that often, especially against better teams.

I love HCBS and would not trade him for anyone, but although he criticizes the 21 shots by TT and notes that TRob did not get any touches the 2nd half - - he is the coach, he should be the one making sure that does not happen. He had an entire 2nd half to correct that situation and apparently did not, so why complain about it, this one was on coach.

I understand it worked this game and KU needs TT and Withey to gain confidence from this experience, but this team has hoisted up a lot of missed 3-pointers in a lot of games this year and have proven they are not a good 3-point shooting team. I don't know why this continues, and why TRob does not touch the ball almost every offensive set (as Self claimed that he should earlier in the year).

It is very unusual for a team this late in the season to still be trying to figure out their identify, but I think HCBS will get this going the right direction...and just maybe this team has no identify (except to win however possible game to game)!!


Randy Maxwell 2 years, 3 months ago

The best thing aboutvthe game was it impressed the AA JC RB. Now lets do the same for the huge Olineman coming in next week


ccarp 2 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for the tough competition, ISU. Good to get up for one before Baylor coming to town. Mondays game is big for taking a home game against a conference contender. Let's get it done against Baylor, Hawks! Rock Chalk!


John Strayer 2 years, 3 months ago

not all of TT's shots were from the outside. Shooting just below 50% from the outside isn't that bad. However, how may of TT's misses were lay-ups for God's sake. That is what can't be tolerated. And it wasn't just TT missing lay-ups...the bigs missed plenty of "bunnies" too. ISU's defense must have messed with the Jayhawks minds or something.

Regardless...I see them being more than ready for Monday evening....maybe KU was looking past ISU?


xfitter 2 years, 3 months ago

JayBate sucks, dude you're creepy the way you act like you're in every coaches head. Worst couch coach ever!


AsadZ 2 years, 3 months ago

I had posted couple of time last week that this Iowa State team is dangerous and this could be a trap game for KU. They have several pieces and can score from many places. I would not be surprised if they are in top 25 shortly. They will most likely be 5th Big 12 team in the Big dance this year.


Clarence Haynes 2 years, 3 months ago

To limit the production of Baylor's bigs, our guards are going to have to shut down their guards. We also have to hit free throws tomorrow night and we need to get quality time from Tehan, Young, and Wesley.


Steve Corder 2 years, 3 months ago

Baylor appears to be the class of the league this year. The Jayhawks must hold their home court or this race to the championship may have to wait till next year.

Whithey has the potential to make the difference in the Baylor game.

I like the whipping Baylor put on OSU just before coming to AF. Either they're so talented that they whip us too, or they'll have read too much press about how talented they are and be ripe for a take-down Monday night.

Either way, we will be in the tournament, where anything can happen to a good team that gets hot and has some bracket upsets to match. Remember 1988.


actorman 2 years, 3 months ago

Was anyone else shocked by the fact that KU was a 15 1/2-point favorite in this game? I've never bet against KU, but if I'd been in a casino I would have seriously considered taking ISU with the spread. I couldn't believe it was that high.


jayhawker_97 2 years, 3 months ago

on another note, this ISU team looked so good. almost everybody chipped in shooting, rebounding. they'll get better. i wished they didn't lose to Misery, though. Royce looked like a polished player. big body like that can spin move and finish to the rim - that's impressive. but too bad, he'll have to work harder around the beasty Withey. nice game, guys.


jaybate 2 years, 3 months ago

Fred pulled out all the stops with a new offense.

Bill knows Fred outsmarted him with that new offense.

Bill knows TT won the game, but wishes TT could have found a better way.

Why? Because...

28 points on 21 shots is horribly inefficient scoring.

And other coaches of serious contenders that saw the ISU-KU game now have blue print for how to beat KU.

Deny the post feed to TRob.

Guard the wings tight, funnel baseline, and switch off on the wing penetration over the top, so you deny the wings and you keep lane clogged, when the ball reverses to TT.

Leave TT open for reversal to him at the point.

Force him to beat you driving into a clogged lane.

Self looked grim in the handshake line, because Fred undresses and exposed the Achilles Heel of Self's scheme this season...and its only two weeks into the conference.

Self knows he gambled and won sending his team out flat for ISU, so he can amp them way up for Baylor.

But he also knows Fred exposed him for Scott Drew, would never have figured it out on his own.

Anyone with Top Twenty talent can outscore KU, if they can reduce KU to Tyshawn getting 28 on 21 shots.

Houston, we have a problem.

And Bill Self's got some tough choices about standing pat, or rescheming, in the very short time before taking the floor against Baylor.


Ferd Magellan 2 years, 3 months ago

“If Missouri’s 9 and Kansas is 10, we might be 11 or 12.”

It doesn't work that way, pal. He appears to be a great talent, but I haven't seen a player whine like him since Jason Bennett.


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