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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Bill Self

Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 87-86 overtime victory over Missouri on Feb. 25, 2012.

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU players Tyshawn Taylor, Thomas Robinson and Conner Teahan

KU players Tyshawn Taylor, Thomas Robinson and Conner Teahan talk about the Jayhawks' 87-86 overtime victory over Missouri on Feb. 25, 2012.

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Missouri coach Frank Haith made it clear once again after Kansas University’s 87-86 victory over MU on Saturday: He isn’t convinced the KU-MU Border War rivalry should end after this season.

“If you saw the atmosphere out here today and the atmosphere at our place, it’d be sad if we don’t play,” Haith said. “I just don’t understand it, and hopefully we can get to it and continue to play. This is too good of a game and too good of a rivalry to not play.”

The contest had many similarities to the teams’ first game on Feb. 4, with the roles reversed this time.

This time, Missouri was the road team that wasn’t getting the benefit of a home whistle. That included the final seconds of regulation when a potential game-winning layup by Phil Pressey was blocked by KU’s Thomas Robinson.

“It was a lot of contact,” Haith said. “Hey, some of the bounces don’t go your way.”

MU guard Marcus Denmon said he thought Pressey might have been bumped going into the lane.

“We are on the road, so we knew we probably wouldn’t get a call,” Denmon said. “We were just trying to get a good look at the basket.”

Haith had a few words with the officials about the no-call before overtime began.

“I was just hopeful that we could get the same contact calls on both ends,” Haith said. “If there’s going to be no-call, then there should be no-call on the other end. That’s the only thing I had a conversation with the officials about.”

Haith’s main beef appeared to be a whistle a few seconds earlier. With KU trailing, 75-72, Robinson put in a layup while drawing a foul on MU guard Michael Dixon.

Robinson completed the three-point play to tie it with 16 seconds left.

“I want to see what happened on that foul,” Haith said, before pointing at a media member and winking, indicating he wanted to say more but couldn’t.

MU led, 67-53, with 10:40 left in the second half before being held without a field goal for six minutes, 50 seconds.

During that time, KU went on a 13-2 run to close the deficit to 69-66.

“We had the game in our hands, just like they apparently had the game in their hands in Columbia,” MU senior guard Kim English said. “We had the game in our hands. We gave them a gift.”

KU’s victory secured at least a share of its eighth straight Big 12 regular-season championship under coach Bill Self.

“Bill’s done a helluva job, boy, because that’s hard to do,” Haith said. “What’s he’s done is pretty amazing, and I have a lot of respect for what he’s done here, no question about it.”

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JayHawkFanToo 2 years, 1 month ago

MU started the ball rolling by openly courting the Big 10. Didn't the Governor and Chancellor publicly announced their desire to join a league with "higher" academic standing, only to end up with egg on their faces when the Big 10 asked Nebraska? Isn't it ironic that after all the hoopla about "higher" academic standards; they jump to the SEC - a conference with much lower academic standing than the Big 12- as soon as they are asked?

KU playing MU is the equivalent of your homely girlfriend (whom you have only kept because you fell sorry for her) tells you she is moving to a single wide with the guy with the pick up truck and the gun rack, and yet she still wants you to take her out to dinner to a place with actual silverware and table clothes in exchange for a booty call...the answer is and should always be: good bye and good riddance.

As far as HC Haith comments, a good reporter should have asked: Coach Haith, in view of the fact that most everybody agrees that the refs gave you the game in Columbia with 3 outrageously bad calls at the end of the game, are you sure you want to talk about bad calls? I wonder what the answer would have been.

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MoJayhawk49 2 years, 1 month ago

Could Coach Haith want to keep the border war going so he could have a sellout for a non conference game in Columbia. It would be a big boost to get to a 13,000 average attendance. That would net him a cool $100,000 bonus at end of year. It looks like their average this year will be about 11,800.

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jayhawkliz 2 years, 1 month ago

Congrats Coach Self and Our Team. What a game. Thanks!

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Steve Brown 2 years, 1 month ago

Jeff.W. reported at Columbia English and others were kneeing him behind the legs getting his knees to buckle, and at this game, did they step on his ankle to get it to roll over? Can't tell by the tape, if that is so, then glad we tore Denman's shoulder apart late./...

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William Blake 2 years, 1 month ago

"Missouri coach Frank Haith made it clear once again after Kansas University’s 87-86 victory over MU on Saturday: He isn’t convinced the KU-MU Border War rivalry should end after this season."

You should have taken that up with your bonehead administration before your school sold history out for the potential of a few lousy bucks. I can't wait to see how relevant your program becomes in the SEC. The entire move was an attempt to make your program a "cream of the crop" type program, but putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make a princess in this world. The answer is to take honorable paths, work hard, and stick to your principles. When you do that, the world comes to you... Good luck in trying to buy respect. Maybe try moving your campus out of the #1 meth lab state in the country! That would be a bold move showing honorable intentions...

“It was a lot of contact,” Haith said. “Hey, some of the bounces don’t go your way.”

The contact came long A F T E R the block... at that point the ball is a loose ball and there is no offensive or defensive players, just players going for the ball. The MU player was driving into Thomas... And why not comment on the ridiculous calls going against TRob and Mr. W early on where they didn't touch anyone but were whistled (and had to sit out because of it)? Those calls should go before the B12 commission for investigation.

No... we are done chasing the kitty's tail... it only leads us to is a life journey going in circles, and to do it with Missouri is nothing more than a downward spiral. Missouri chose a new path for themselves and through it an opportunity has come to us to reach out for new rivalries and better competition. Every year we were risking losses to a program that has little basketball status. We would best build new yearly connections to UNC, Duke, UK, Syracuse, UConn... teams that carry some weight and give us a chance to leap forward with our victories over them. MU is about gone from our conference... they can get in line and invite us for future series, but why would we play them? For the money? I bet we can make far more money with an annual hookup with Syracuse, UK, UNC (or others).

Think of it this way... how many recruits have we won over to come to Kansas because we play Missouri every year? Right... none... but how many recruits have gone to Missouri because they know they get to play the likes of Kansas every year? Probably most of their recruits (or all).

This rivalry has never favored our interests and we now have the opportunity to build rivals that make more sense and help us in the long run.

History is behind us... time to look forward and to a better future!

Rock Chalk, Jayhawks! Congrats to the team for hanging tough, and to all the fans who were screaming along side! It was a rightful end to a piece of history that belongs in the past (and in history books) only.

I see great potential in our future!!!

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Bill Shaw 2 years, 1 month ago

We will most likely get the opportunity to beat them one last time this season at the Sprint Center this coming week.

That will settle this season's border war rivalry, 2-1.

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ydoow53 2 years, 1 month ago

Maybe we could continue the rivaly under certain conditions? Since Missouri took their ball, like babies, and bolted to the SEC for more money, maybe we could charge them about a $1,000,000 fee to play us, since they are going to be so flush with cash.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

Bill's record at Stillwater is not great....Not to commit heresy, but it appears Bill gets psyched out at his old stomping grounds.

We cannot afford to lose this game on Monday!!!!!

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Ozarkhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I want to be at the Paige when these SEC schools come rolling in and people are rifling through their programs to see who the coach is and where the school is located. Enjoy those home and home match ups with the Gamecocks and the Commodores.

As for us the games with Silo Tech will take on an even greater significance and easily replace anything we may have lost with you. Texas has been our basketball competitor for B12 championships not you. So watch next Saturday and see if we have lost any juice with you leaving the conference. Finally I was watching the ESPN highlights and saw Corn getting thumped by Michigan State and had to stop and think that it was just a year ago that they and Colorado left and I had hardly thought of either of them until that footage. It will be the same about you.

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brutus 2 years, 1 month ago

The bogus charging call on Robinson with about 4 min. to go in the first half was huge. Instead of T-Rob leaving the game with two fouls it should have been English leaving with two fouls-a big swing there. Also in overtime there was a loose rebound under MU's basket and Teahan got called for a foul. My replay shows him getting shoved by Ratliff. Ratliff hit two free throws. The last play of the game started with Dixson reaching out and shoving Elijah away so he could take the inbounds. They talked all year about how Missouri had made made more free throws than their opponents had even shot. I don't think they bitched about that. Now if Wichita State can knock them out of the NCAA tournament it would end perfectly.

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miajhwk 2 years, 1 month ago

what the hell does this guy know about the rivalry?

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TwistedFish31 2 years, 1 month ago

Having lived in SEC country for several years after college, I can tell you that those schools only care about 2 things when it comes to programs outside of their conference. How many championships have you won, and are you from the south. Mizzou has no championships and they are not considered part of the south (simply being a slave state doesn't count). Mizzou is not going to develop any rivalries in the SEC because they simply do not care about them. The only chance of a rivalry that have is with Arkansas because they stole Anderson. When the Mizzou seniors leave after this season, Mizzou basketball will go straight back to mediocrity and the fans know it. Haith knows it. Keeping the rivalry with KU is the only shot they will have for games like yesterday. No one is going to tune into Mizzou vs Arkansas in basketball. No one is going to tune in to Mizzou vs Bama in football. Their relevance ended when the begged their way into the SEC and terminated the Border War. That's on Mizzou.

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PurePierce 2 years, 1 month ago

I'd like to echo what an earlier poster a few games ago wrote,

mizzery, if you want to play us again...

MAKE IT TO THE FINAL FOUR!!!!

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kufankam 2 years, 1 month ago

i disagree completely that the calls on robinson were "marginal". they were flat wrong!!! the first one clearly showed that he LITERALLY DID NOT TOUCH ANYONE!!!! young kinda collided with the guy "behind" both of them, but neither he nor robinson pushed anyone. robinson most definitely did not push a mizery or KU player. calls go both ways...

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leonard 2 years, 1 month ago

Frank Haith as national coach of the year? Laugh out loud funny.

In his 7 years at Miami he produced exactly one trip to the NCAA's...not one winning conference record (his best finish was 5th)...and an overall record barely above .500 (averaging 14 losses per year).

So now he's 25-4 at Missouri and the idiots inhabiting press row in college arenas across the country are equating his performance with Hannibal crossing the Alps.

The only qualities that Haith has exhibited are...Being able to find his way to Columbia, Mo...inherit a senior laden team full of sharpshooters...and not screw it up.

Hardly an epic performance worthy of any awards denoting coaching genius.

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Andy Tweedy 2 years, 1 month ago

I completely agree with all the comments about the block not being called, and I thought the two calls in the first half that sat Withey and T-Rob were very questionable. But you know what the MU players and coaches sound like? This board and every other Kansas board after the first game. That's why everyone just needs to bite their tongue and not complain about officiating. The officials do NOT have the benefit of replay and they are calling a very fast game. Every team gets bad calls and whining about it is exactly that...whining!

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Joel Hood 2 years, 1 month ago

Where was Haith 3 weeks ago questioning critical calls in the last 2 minutes at the Paige Center?

Also, when a spouse divorces a family, that spouse does NOT get to schedule an ongoing booty call once a year.

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Mel Clare 2 years, 1 month ago

I do agree with most of the sentiments on here about the fouls. It does go both ways. Heck of a game a game either way! What most dont understand is that Haith is only in his first year at Mizzou and this is his FIRST REAL TASTE of a RIVALRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why wouldnt he want it to continue? After 8 years in Miami..............who does Miami have a rivalry with in basketball? They do have a team dont they? He has never had the opportunity to coach in games of this magnitude before..........I feel for him because he does see the importance of rivalries such as these. Most DONT want KU/MU to play anymore..............I acknowledge thier griefs and dislikes...............but for myself, as a KU fan of 50 odd years, I do hope that they can figure something out benificial for both teams and do at least one game a year on a nuetral site! Be sad to lose 107 years of playing and 158 years of history. KU done what it needed for its school, MU done the same thing. Texas is the money hungry school in this whole mess...........

Go Hawks!

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Ozarkhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Frank. It is not just the KU Administration that doesn't want you. It is the fans. 87% of KU fans say they don't want you by the KC Star poll. Yet 87% of your fans don't want to go. In a couple of years when the Big 12 keeps rolling on without you I would not want to be Mike Alden, The Chancellor or the Board of Curators who made the fateful decision to leave the premier midwestern conference for one in the eastern time zone. This is a banner day for all KU fans!

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Shawn Otrimble 2 years, 1 month ago

After getting home from the game That I would rank with some of the "greatest games of all time", I look on my recorded copy of the game and you could clearly see that when Robinson went up for the lay-up he was undercut. He was hit so hard in mid-air, he fell hard on his butt. It was the right call.

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yates33333 2 years, 1 month ago

The MU coach has "a lot of guts" to be complaining about a referee's call. Despite what players are always told, "play defense with your feet not your hands," his team couldn't play defense if they couldn't use their hands to push players, grab players, tug at players jerseys, etc. Rarely are these pushes called. If you have the game on replay note the shove that the MU player puts on Young while driving to the basket during the last play of the game. The MU guard is kept from shooting by Robinson and passes out for another MU player to shoot the last shot which providence kept from going in. The numerous times KU's big men came stumbling out of a rebound skirmish doesn't mean they are light on their feet, it means they are getting pushed big time. So Haith, pi z off. I am tired of playing you losers. BTW take Vern Lunkhead and his partner with you to cover your next game. They ought to be on your payroll if they aren't already.

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tydon27 2 years, 1 month ago

This article sums up Missouri perfectly. I bunch of crying bitches. The coach and the players both. I don't remember anyone on the KU team talking s*** on the refs after the first game, even though we all know about the worst call in the history of the game.( The charge on T-Rob).

If Haith wants to complain about the refs he's wrong. He should thank them for giving T-Rob 2 bs calls and letting them get a 12 point lead. Not to mention the fouls on Whithy or at least his second foul. Secondly no ref in the history of basketball is gonna call a foul on a 6 10 player rejecting a 5 10 players shot with 2 seconds left and the contact coming after another player grabbed the ball.

With Haith's argument about the foul in Robinson at the end if the game it was obvious that he got his legs taken out. It's not like the bs in Columbia where we got shafted. Maybe if he said the foul on Taylor at the end of the game I would have agreed, but this is just Missouri being little bitches.

I'm glad that Coach Self won't bend to playing them anymore. They tried to screw us over by going to the SEC (terrible move BTW) and to win the last game ever (depending on certain things) is awesome.

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK....GO KU!!!!!!!

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gardenjay 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm amazed how late I've stayed up soaking this all in. I'm beat, and heading for bed.

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jayhawker_97 2 years, 1 month ago

“Bill’s done a helluva job, boy, because that’s hard to do,” Haith said. “What’s he’s done is pretty amazing, and I have a lot of respect for what he’s done here, no question about it.”

and i don't think COY should be given to someone who's not even in his program more than a year.

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JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

Gee Frank maybe your school should have considered this before you left the Big 12.

Have fun in the SEC Frank. Can't say Kansas administration didn't warn your Mizzou buddies. Sorry you, Alden and Pinkel are just now finding out the Big 12 shares it's tier 1 and tier 2 equally just like the SEC. By the way, the tier 3 is the same in the Big 12 as it is in the SEC. Why did your school leave again Frank?

Wait for Alabama to form their own network under the SEC's tier 3 then will you leave the SEC for the Big 10? Because guess what---the SEC's tier 3 doesn't stop Alabama from forming their own network. You've been suckered Frank by your employer which apparently was chomping too much Meth to know what it was doing!

Hahahahahahahaha Mizzou!

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Calijhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Haith forgets that T-Rob had 2 really marginal calls on him in the last couple of minutes of the game in Columbia.

MU virtually conceded the KC area to KU when it made the decision to leave the conference in terms of the.market and recruiting base.

Why would we be stupid enough to give it back to them?

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Hail_To_Thee 2 years, 1 month ago

Haiths comments highlight the differences between a GREAT coach like Bill Self, and a par coach like Frank Haith.

I bet I can count on one hand how many times Coach Self has directly blamed the refs. Haith is quick to pull the trigger on the unequal whistles.

Looks like Mizzery got a coach that fits their tradition of always being soar losers.

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rockchalk80 2 years, 1 month ago

why should Frank Haith care so much about this game? MU left... they have been looking to leave for years... why should we legitimize their program by playing them?

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april28 2 years, 1 month ago

Both of T-Rob's first-half fouls were extremely questionable, as was Withey's second....even the national announcers said it. Without those fouls, we don't fall behind by 12 at half in the first place.

I watched the replay of Robinson's block 5 or 6 times....no way an official calls a foul on that block, late in a close game.

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kusportsdotcom 2 years, 1 month ago

“We are on the road, so we knew we probably wouldn’t get a call,” Denmon said. “We were just trying to get a good look at the basket.”

Sour grapes. Ya know what? We won, and that's all that matters. We got some questionable calls against us in Columbia, they may have gotten the same here. Regardless, the refs didn't make Mizzou blow a 19 point lead. We won. Rock Chalk.

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kusportsdotcom 2 years, 1 month ago

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