Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Whirlwind week earns Jeff Withey national award

Kansas center Jeff Withey dunks off an alley-oop from teammate Tyshawn Taylor against Kansas State during the first half on Monday, Feb. 13, 2012 at Bramlage Coliseum.

Kansas center Jeff Withey dunks off an alley-oop from teammate Tyshawn Taylor against Kansas State during the first half on Monday, Feb. 13, 2012 at Bramlage Coliseum.


Kansas University junior center Jeff Withey on Tuesday was named the Oscar Robertson national player of the week as awarded by the U.S. Basketball Writers Association.

The honor came a day after Withey earned Big 12 player of the week honors.

“I guess ‘Withey-mania’ or whatever is sweeping the Midwest,” KU assistant coach Kurtis Townsend said Tuesday on the weekly Hawk Talk radio show.

Withey, who scored 18 points, grabbed 11 rebounds and blocked nine shots in Monday’s 59-53 victory at Kansas State, scored a career-high 25 points against Baylor and secured a career-best 20 rebounds against Oklahoma State last week.

“It helps us to have another offensive threat in there,” Townsend said. “People know that it’s a good gig playing next to Thomas (Robinson), who gets so much attention (of the defense).

“Jeff has done what he’s supposed to. I think he felt awful how he played at Missouri (zero points). His attitude changed. He found his game. I think his confidence is sky-high now,” Townsend added.

Withey, who hit six of seven free throws at K-State, has made 80 of 94 free throws for a team-leading 85.1 percent. KU coach Bill Self chose Withey to shoot a pair of technical foul shots Monday. The 7-footer converted both attempts.

“Four weeks ago, somebody got a ‘T’ and coach Self said, ‘Who shoots ‘em?’” Townsend said of technical foul shots. “I said, ‘Tyshawn (Taylor).’ Coach said, ‘Withey’s our best free-throw shooter.’ I said, ‘We can’t put a 7-footer on the line.’ Tyshawn actually made those two,” Townsend added with a laugh. “Jeff knocked down those two yesterday. He’s very good from the free-throw line. His ability to shoot free throws will make him more dangerous down the line. They’ll foul you when you grab a rebound late in games.”

Withey said it was an honor to be chosen to shoot the technical shots at KSU.

“I felt really comfortable,” he said. “Coach has enough confidence to put me there. I’ve been working on it all year, trying to get better every single day by shooting free throws. They are easy points, free points.”

Of his excellent play since the Feb. 4 game at Missouri, Withey said: “It’s been fun the last couple games. With these games back to back, I feel I’ve not had time to stop and breathe. I had to pick it up after Missouri. I never want something like that to happen again.

“It just kind of happened,” he added of his emergence. “My teammates lift me up all the time. It’s all in slow motion.”

Withey credited strength coach Andrea Hudy for improving his body over the summer as well as big man coach Danny Manning for work on technique.

“Thomas is very unselfish (with passes to Withey). That’s what’s helping make Jeff look so good,” Townsend said. “Coach Manning does an unbelievable job developing those guys. They are starting to click. I’m really happy for Jeff. He’s paid his dues. I just hope he continues this and finishes the season strong.”

Withey — he averages 9.5 points, 6.5 rebounds and 4.5 blocks per game — is the second KU player to be named the Oscar Robertson player of the week this season. Robinson earned the honor during the week of Dec. 11. Kansas is the only school this season to have more than one player receive the weekly honor.

Vitale lauds Self: ESPN’s Dick Vitale had this to say Tuesday on Twitter: “No one projected Kansas to be this good — my vote today 4 COACH of the Year is coach Bill Self. They lost so much from last year!”

Muhammad to visit: Shabazz Muhammad, a 6-6, 215-pound senior small forward from Las Vegas’ Bishop Gorman High School, will attend the Feb. 25 KU-Missouri game as part of his official KU campus visit, reports. Muhammad is the top-rated prospect in the Class of 2012. He has visited Kentucky and Texas A&M; with a visit to Duke planned in early March.

Heights sets mark: Future KU forward Perry Ellis scored 19 points and grabbed 13 rebounds to pace Wichita Heights to a 54-42 win over Bishop Carroll on Tuesday. Heights has now won a state-record 60 consecutive games. Moundridge won 59 in a row from 1990-93.


Priest Fontaine 8 years ago

Great timing on the visit Shabazz. Don't forget it's always sold out and wild at the Fieldhouse - not just against Mizzou. During your one year playing college ball you may as well come to the place you have the best chance of winning a championship. I know Coach Self won't tell you this but the 2 spot is yours if you claim it.

1-Johnson - senior 2-Muhammad - freshman 3-Releford - senior 4-Ellis - freshman 5-Withey - senior

This starting lineup has a nice balance of experience and young energy. And to have a deep bench again has me very excited for next year.

Cmill1221 8 years ago

I would love to lamd this guy!! But I'm living in Vegas and I really don't think Muhammad is coming here. Don't mean to pee in your corn flakes but it's not lookin real promising. That being said the KU MU game could be a real game changer for this kid!

Michael Pannacciulli 8 years ago

What's your reasoning for saying he is not going to pick KU?

Tony Bandle 8 years ago

Calipari, World Wide Wes and $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Tony Bandle 8 years ago

Please delete the previous was my evil twin who typed it . I think we have a shot if we emphasize playing time, national exposure and outstanding team chemistry

Cmill1221 8 years ago

Obviously he is a 1 and done. But he wants to be showcased as a primary scorer and get touches every possession. Most of the people who know him are talking that he is leaning towards UK b/c of the rep cal has w/ guards. But who knows the MU game could sway him. Would love to get him but I'm not getting my hopes up.

jaybate 8 years ago


I think Bill Self has made a pretty clear statement starting last recruiting season and this. He's done being played by 17 year olds, their families, AAU coaches and other "advisors."

He is going to sign guys early and often. And most of the slots go to the guys that want to be at KU first.

Self is signing two kinds of guys. He is signing the best that want to commit the soonest. And he is signing multi-transcript guys, too. The best that commit the soonest form the core of each recruiting class. The second group, the multi-transcript guys, are intended to sit for a year getting approved, practice and weight train half that year, and be ready to go the following season with a year more maturity than the usual freshman. These two kinds of recruiting will keep the pipeline full.

Self will keep recruiting a Shabazz, as he always has in the past, but there will be no scholarship left open for him.

This does two things. First, it keeps KU brimming with the kind of talent we can win with, as Self is doing this year, with a thin bunch.

Second, it eliminates Shabazz' (or any other player's) ability to use KU's interest to leverage up the check book recruiting of other programs.

Self and KU are not even a little committed to Shabazz in the sense of need until Shabazz commits to them.

We are winning without guys like Shabazz. OADs like Shabazz can help us win more, but they can't do for us what they can do for other programs--they can't take over and own an entire season. And Self has now made that clear to the other recruiters recruiting against KU.

If we get Shabazz, it will be because he really wants to come to KU and play for the best coach and a great program at a fine school with the greatest basketball tradition and a ton of pros making mega bucks. It will be because he wants to be the best he can be.

If we don't get Shabazz, he won't get a penny more out of other schools doing check book recruiting because of dangling KU in their faces. Those days are over, pal.

There are apparently more and more coaches lining up with this, too: Coach Consonants at Duke, Billy Donavan at Florida, etc.

Self's got a lot to offer to those that want to play for KU and earn a spot. So do a lot of other coaches.

But the days of these guys using KU in a bidding war that KU is not even writing checks in are done.

If Shabazz wants an education, a professional career, and a connection to a program and a coach with continuity and a lack of a cloud of corruption, with a minimum of risks that could jeopardize a player's successful transition to pro ball, KU, or Duke, or Florida, or other coaches operating with the same policy are great choices.

But if he just wants a quick year gunning on the run, while he waits for his number to be called by Stern, I would recommend UK.

Either way, KU is OK.

Cmill1221 8 years ago

Dude. I'm not going to read that.....

jaybate 8 years ago

What you mean is: "Dude, I can't read."

Right? :-)

rockchalker5 8 years ago

That would be a nice lineup. But if we get Muhammad (which is a big IF) I would say it will look like this:

1- Johnson 2- McLemore 3- Muhammad 4- Ellis 5- Withey

With a deep bench to go along with it...

Robert Brock 8 years ago

1-Johnson 2-Shabazz 3-Releford (someone has to play D) 4-Ellis 5-Withey

HawkKlaw 8 years ago

You got McLemore and Shabazz mixed up.

Priest Fontaine 8 years ago

no way Releford doesn't start next year.

HawkKlaw 8 years ago

Stranger things have happened. Don't get me wrong, with the tenacity Releford has on D, I'd love to see him start. But McLemore is NBA-bound, and as we saw when Xavier and Selby were at KU, the NBA-bound players get favored a little more than the others. It is what it is. Not saying Releford won't make it to the NBA, but I think McLemore is clearly headed there after one or two seasons at most.

Maybe we'll get lucky and see them start alongside each other.

Rocky Darger 8 years ago

"During your one year playing college ball" ................................ So true, but so sad.

Scott MacWilliams 8 years ago


A well-deserved week and fabulous effort and focus on your part. I've always known that you were going to have this kind of showing, given what I saw on your earlier HS film. A great soft touch and excellent court vision, all you needed was some more strength via Hudy and the finesse skills via the big-man Zen master Danny Manning.

Rock CHALK, Withey Hawks!!!

Off the subject, a hilarious, and kind of sick, quote from ESPN tweet of the day site:

"Two years got vacated, so I'm 51." -- Kentucky coach John Calipari talking about his 53rd birthday Friday.

I'm wondering if the folks at UMass and Memphis are laughing? Way to go, Calimari!!

actorman 8 years ago

I've always thought people have been a little hard on Calipari, but after seeing that quote I don't feel that way any more. What a dou***bag.

Alohahawk 8 years ago

How about a double whammy, Shabazz? When KU whups Mizzery on the 25th, you commit to KU the same night. That would make for a sensational recruiting headline, and give you that much more press since the basketball world's eyes will all be centered on the final Border War game between KU and Mizzery.

As far as the Cal Lie Pari statement, I would imagine he steers clear of Memphis and UMass as much as possible. It's probably open season if any basketball fans see hide or greasy hair of him within a hundred mile radius.

Jonathan Andrews 8 years ago

Congrats, Jeff! I hereby retire the nickname, Cheno-Withey! :p

As for Shabazz, all I have to say is I would LOVE to have him. Obviously, creme-de-la-creme recruits are always a big "get", but his ability to score in bunches and especially to get to the rack will be sorely needed on next year's team.

It's hard to get a read on his final list, but among the schools to which he's scheduled an official visit, I think we offer the largest platform. We will have a bevy of complementary perimeter players (EJ, BMac, TRel, Naadir), who all work better off the ball, leaving the door wide open for Muhammed to shine. Is Teague leaving UK for the NBA after this season? I don't think he's ready. Regardless, NC State transfer Ryan Harrow will garner alot of the ball-handling duties. Dook will probably lose Rivers, but Curry, Thornton and Cook still work better with the ball in their hands. I'm sorry, I just can't take TAMU and UNLV seriously, since with or without him they aren't title contenders; although obviously either would offer the opportunity to star from day one.

We've missed on a few recruiting targets that have almost felt "in the bag"; maybe we're due to strike it lucky!

jaybate 8 years ago

Jeff is a great story.

But the real story is the team.

Look at the first five.

These guys have become a good fit on both ends.

Each player brings a load of defense and their defensive strengths mesh.

Each player has become both a good on ball man and a great help defender.

Self has had stronger, deeper defensive teams, but never five this long and mobile.

Tyshawn, Travis and Elijah are simply sucking up the opposing team's oxygen on the perimeter. Tyshawn and Thomas and Jeff are so strong in their particular long suits that many are overlooking that Travis and EJ are playing '08 grade defense. Travis and EJ are just hounding opponents relentlessly. Travis and EJ are guarding like Russell and Chalmers, but they are 2-4 inches longer!!! And Tyshawn has been a consummate Self defender for years.

But the most important defensive advance of late is they are starting to understand when to gamble, because another guy can cover, and when the other guy cannot. Until recently, we have had great perimeter defense, and great interior defense, but no synergy between them. The last few games they are finally leveraging off each other. The perimeter guys are learning to pressure even more, but to also how to channel their men to the bigs for backup. The bigs are learning when and wher the penetrators will be channelled. It is a beautiful step to see a defensive team take.

The jobs Travis and EJ are doing just cannot be given enough credit. Glue is understanding exactly what the team needs and giving it. This defense would just be five individuals with out their glue. For folks that doubt the concept of glue, watch these guys defensively. Withey, too. All three are giving Tyshawn and Thomas the defensive support they need. You can see them not just guarding their men, but positioning to give help, to get out of the way, to get in the way, to "help."

This is defense right now.


KU is still working on that. But it has taken a big step simply by realizing and accepting that the unfair bodying and triple teaming and nonstop fouling are an admission by opponents that KU is too good to beat fair and square. The team is beginning to play through it all, instead of complaining about it, or trying to avoid it. They are dishing it back some, but mostly they are accepting it in a workman like way and playing through it. This makes them so much tougher. It takes away the advantage of teams pulling all this crap!

Go Hawks!

Brianna Zaleski 8 years ago

Great post.

3:48am. Do you ever sleep?

Another similarity to the'08 squad is their ability to use the alley-oop as a legitimate weapon. That play can work two fold. It is almost impossible to defend and, from a momentum standpoint, it can be a real killer for the other team. Its good to see us using that again as a real part of our offense (transition), rather than just an anomaly. I always felt last years squad had the ability to use the oop, but weren't confident enough. But used effectively, it can be a real weapon.

yates33333 8 years ago

Does he ever sleep? Or is he two or three people?

Your post ain't bad!

jaybate 8 years ago

Yes, I sleep. Yes, I am one person. I just awake for about an hour each night sometime between 2 and 4 am and read, or post, that's all. Its been my sleep routine for a long time.

And thx.

Mike Kendall 8 years ago

Nice post, Jaybate. And for those that don't want Jaybate to post------

They can kiss my big fat ----that's right---- water cooler I stand by!

Rock Chalk!

SDSurferFan 8 years ago

Yep. SD in the hizzi! :)

Quick comment. The guards are longer but it seemed like Chalmers forced a ton of turnovers. Didn't compare the stats but I know he was a master. I do love how well they are guarding.

Mr. Bate.....back to KY. How much you see him playing next year with the recruits coming in?

jaybate 8 years ago


Quite a lot actually. He's not the first guy to come to Kansas and the Big 12 and struggle the first year.

Thomas Robinson could literally not walk and chew gum his first season, despite having been a fairly highly ranked recruit that guys like Calipari wanted.

Jeff Withey who showed decently at UA briefly, and who was a fairly highly ranked recruit, before transferring to KU, got completely overwhelmed by Self Ball and Big 12 ball for a few years.

Kevin has a lot of basketball talent that needs more muscle, more weight, and more experience with all the different ways Self makes KU play from one opponent to the next.

Self has a 1000 page play book.

Self expects his teams to play it anyway the opponent wants.

Therefore his players have to learn many styles of play, not just one, as at most schools; this is the great difference between Self and other top coaches right now.

Self expects his players to muscle with Tom Izzo's MSU muscle ballers, to thug it with Martin/Huggins ballers, to play transition with anyone that wants to run, to play Princeton with anyone that wants that, to play 4 guard offense with say MU, to play other Okie Ballers like Billy Gillispie at TTech, and so on.

KU players literally have to be able to play all these styles of ball to be effective. Self asked 7-0 Jeff Withey with a bum thigh to go chase 6'6" Kim English with a 49% trey all over the floor. Our perimeter guys have to be able to run like greyhounds and muscle like thug ballers.

It is unrealistic to expect any but the very best to be able to come in off the street and play all these styles of play straight up the way Self insists KU teams do, least of all big men.

Bottom line on Kevin Young is that he thought he was a 3 man and a perimeter player, and he can barely keep up with the foot speed of the bigs. He had never been asked to hedge and chase bigs that were bigger and smaller than he was. And he was lucky that that was what Self asked him to do, because he would have been road kill guarding real perimeter players in the Big 12.

But the thing is, Kevin is a player. He's a guy who understands the game, who has some size, and who, when he adjusts to the spooky combination of speed and violence in the Big 12, will be able to help Self at either the 3, or the 4 next season. Kevin is going to look radically better next season. And Self is going to need him inside again, because all the recruits are going to be as baffled playing all these varied styles of play as Kevin was this year, as Thomas was his first year, and as Cole Aldrich was his first year, and so on.

Self is the toughest coach to play for, because he asks players to play so many ways and to play out of position often.

jaybate 8 years ago

The Big 12 is the toughest conference to see for the first time, because all the teams play so differently.

Even Bill Self himself had not seen anything like Fred Hoiberg threw at him, and it was different in both games. Self told his players to play them straight up.

I haven't seen a four guard offense in the Big 12 in a decade. Self told his players to play them straight up.

Frank Martin of K-State runs KU sets the first game, then switches to running Bob Huggins' Dad's get down and slug it out offense the second game. Both times Self tells them to play them straight up.

Rick Barnes runs old east coast muscle ball at Texas. Self tells his players to play them straight up.

Travis Ford at OSU runs Pitino's old Providence and UK sets and defenses. Self tells his players to play them straight up.

The guy at Texas A&M runs a bunch of weird junk. Self plays them straight up.

Gillispie at TTech was Self's assistant and runs exactly what Self runs. Self plays them straight up and there is nothing weirder than watching Self's players playing a team mirroring them.

And on and on.

I like Kevin. I think Self likes Kevin. But I think Kevin tries to mask how overwhelmed he really is with a good natured smile and self confidence and a good basketball IQ. Players like that inevitably get broken down and introduced to a higher level of competitive intensity by Self.

Kevin has come into a nearly impossible situation and while he has not produced as much as Self would have liked, Self had to know he was asking for miracles from the kid that he probably could not deliver.

jaybate 8 years ago

But Self never forgets a guy who comes and helps him in his time of need and who tries to give him what he wants, whether he succeeds, or not. Mario Little never played up to expectations, but he gave Self what he wanted and he never complained. Self looked after him. I suspect Kevin will come off the bench next season. I suspect he will not play as much as he would like to, because of the numbers that will be on hand. But Self knows that Kevin has been through the wars now. Kevin knows what it takes. The new guys coming in, no matter how good they are, don't. The new guys will get all the breaks on early minutes, because they have more ability than Kevin. But if Kevin masters the basics of Self-Defense with hard work and weight training, he has the versatility to play it anyway they want, something the newbies won't know how to do yet.

The newbies always look good for a few games until opposing coaches have some film on them and find their weaknesses. Then the stress of learning to strengthen those weakness plus of learning to play a new style two or three times a week, and then the dramatic escalation in violence that occurs in conference play, they all converge to make bumbling fools out of a lot of major hot shots.

KU is a place to come to for the light to come on the second or third year, not the first.

Kevin only has a second year.

But I think we will see some good ball out of him.

Unlike quite a few others, I don't forget that most of the newbies come along very slowly, and the old reliables keep getting more and more looks as the season progresses and the newbies get more and more confused.

Kye Clark 8 years ago

Right on about our transition game. I said yesterday that it has been like an automatic deuce when we get out on the break, which is especially pleasing since the past couple years, for whatever reason, we really seemed to struggle in this regard.

I agree that we will miss Taylor. I know since I am not afraid to criticize him on occasion certain board rats take issue and feel the need to vehemently defend him as if I'm jayhawkinnebr throwing Brady Morningstar under the bus, but between his trey gun this year and his unparalleled ability to slash through a defense, it's going to be almost impossible to replace.

Ben Simonett 8 years ago

Its not just the transition game that reminds me of '08.

whats really giving me flashbacks are the guards just laying the ball up near the rim and watching the big guys go get it 4-5 times a night.

jaybate 8 years ago

We have a great transition game, but opponents don't want to give it to us. They know they are toast if they give us transition, because our bigs can board so well. So they slow us down, and slug it out. MU's Haith proved to me that he's a smart guy. Why? Because the minute KU got into transition he called a time out to put a stop to that. Haith was amazed that Self played take what they give us. He could not believe that Self was stubborn enough to play MU's four guards straight up with a bunch of giants. Haith knew if Self wanted to play him straight up, then all MU had to do was keep drawing fouls and making sure that KU did not run, and they would win, or have a very good chance of winning.

Our transition game is deadly, but we don't have the depth to do it for 40 minutes yet, if ever, not with 2-3 games a week.

UK will run with us.

I believe Self will run with them again, just as he dared to the first time...for awhile.

Next time he will run most of the game against UK.

Next time we will beat them at their own game.

Next time we will beat them, if we can find a way to contain Kidd Gilchrist.

Pray for Travis foot to heal. Trav was a little to green to handle the monstrously talented Gidd-Gilchrist. Trav is not quite his equal physically, but Trav is a great defensive player now and KU's help defense is better. With a good wheel, and some help, Trav could stay with him this time.

But it would be a challenge like no other Travis has overcome.

Ludwig Supraphonic 8 years ago

Outstanding post. Occasionally I get lost in the length, symbolism and military references but jaybate's posts are always relevant. Love the 08 comparison. Admire Tyshawn's heart, defensive speed, and tenacity. Withey's defensive positioning and court vision was superb in the K-State game. I have really enjoyed watching this team coalesce

jaybate 8 years ago


I try to bake them differently all the time.

Glad one worked for you.

jhox 8 years ago

Shabazz is the kind of one and done'r we've never had at KU (unless you consider Wilt a one and done'r since he sat his Freshman year.) Shabazz is a guy who can come in and be the best player on the floor as a freshman. From what I hear from friends who have seen him frequently at AAU tournaments, he is truly a man among boys and a guy with Hall of Fame written all over him. A guy who is the lock overall number one pick after a year in college.

In other words,he's the kind of kid that Kentucky will break the bank for. I'll be shocked if he ends up anywhere other than Kentucky, unless some big donor in Vegas opens the check book to keep him at home. I doubt KU or Duke would risk doing what it is likely to take to win him from Kentucky.

Sure hope I'm wrong about that but, let's be honest, Slick Cal will pay what he has to pay to get a talent like Shabazz.

jhox 8 years ago

Let's hope so. If he ends up at Kentucky, we'll have a pretty good idea of how much integrity he has, won't we?

jhox 8 years ago

Selby was the number 1 rated point guard in some rankings, I'm told Shabazz is more like that rare guy who comes along every 5 or so years. He obviously still has to prove it, but this level of player rarely if ever turns into a "miss".

HawkKlaw 8 years ago

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Shabazz is a rare talent. But, as has been discussed, it's not like KU hasn't had incredibly highly ranked recruits before (see Selby and Xavier).

I, personally, would rather just go after guys that will be at KU for at least a couple of years. I do not want to see a repeat of Selby's Freshman year. Xavier wasn't terrible, but he wasn't nearly as good as the hype let on.

I just try not to get too excited about one-and-dones after the whole Selby fiasco. A guy like Perry Ellis excites me a little more than Shabazz does, but that's just me.

addlime 8 years ago

Selby was not the number one rated point guard by the end of his senior year, he fell to 3rd behind barnes and knight. Ku media continued to propagate this ranking but it was incorrect. He certainly never was considered a clear number one h.s. Player like lebron. Shabazz appears to be a different level entirely. Time will tell.

Joseph Kuebel 8 years ago

Shabazz... Coming to visit for MU game!! And its his last visit. COME, Shabazz: KU.

Ben Simonett 8 years ago

Shabazz is not a once every 5-6 years type of star, the '12 recruiting class a whole isnt very strong. Noel moved from '13 to '12 and instantly became the top prospect of the class because '12 is not nearly as deep as '13 is.

Shabazz is a great player and as close to a sure thing lottery pick next year as you can get, but he isn't a lebron james /dwight howard/ kevin durant/ derek rose type of prospect

Martin Rosenblum 8 years ago

Until now, I wasn't aware that there was a National Player of the Week, named after Oscar Robertson. It's not anything a player would consciously have at the top of their "bucket list" (no pun intended!) Now, I'm going to have to put things into perspective and search for others who have been awarded this honor. Surely, there have been Jayhawks who should have received this honor over the years. Curious to see how the US Basketball Writers arrive at their nominees. Proud of JW's recognition. Hopefully, there will be others who will be recognized from this team for similar contributions and performances by this and other associations. .

Timmay97 8 years ago

I don't always read Jaybate's posts......but today.....his post made a LOT of sense. Spot on!!

jaybate 8 years ago

Glad I landed one you could stand. :-)

SDSurferFan 8 years ago

best part...all the mid-range jumpers.

Chris Shaw 8 years ago

Always good to read your stuff trueblue (Resor).

Joe Baker 8 years ago

I want the big mouth forward from fizzou to open and stick his foot in his mouth when they play in the Phog. I want him to spew the crap he spewed after the game in Columbia. I want to hear him talk after KU takes them to the cleaners. The big mouth of fizzou is Steve Moore. They barely win at home, with a few questionable calls and he doesn't do much of anything against TRob and he opens his big mouth after the game like they just won a championship?

Ok big boy, see you in the Phog and you have fun in Mr Robinson's neighborhood. Oh and enjoy Withey-mania while you're at it.

Alohahawk 8 years ago

Bulletin board material. No more Moore.


actorman 8 years ago

"They barely win at home, with a few questionable calls and he doesn't do much of anything against TRob and he opens his big mouth after the game like they just won a championship?"

Haven't you been following the tiggers long enough to know that they DID just win a championship? They beat KU!

Joe Baker 8 years ago

Congrats Jeff on your honors. You deserve it and keep up the great work. We need you down the stretch.

Tim Orel 8 years ago

It's moronic to keep flogging what should be a dead issue. It's KU. Kansas University. Or it's the University of Kansas. But it's not UK - that's Kentucky. Stop your clutching at pearls - either are acceptable to the University and to the world, except for a few whiners.

Lifelong Jayhawk here, born and raised in Lawrence, so don't think just because I'm now in Colorado I don't know what I'm talking about.

RockChalk26 8 years ago

For as much money students pumped into the school, they can call it whatever they want.

REHawk 8 years ago

"It's all in slow motion," says Jeff Withey. That pretty well captures precisely where the game has come for him, at this stage of his career. Would that Kevin, Justin and Naadir feel a bit of that slow motion before season's end. The game is still too sped up for those three.

Chris Shaw 8 years ago

Man, I wish I could have posted yesterday because I think that was a record for the number of posts after a "W". There was of course the Davidson "L", but we will try and forget that game.

I read most of the posts yesterday and I was curious what everybody thought about Knight's comments about the tempo and Pace on several different occassions in the game Monday night.

I have been saying this for a while now, especially during that Davidson loss and previous losses in year's past how KU struggles at times to dictate tempo against other sound defensively squads.

It's not obvious, but there are times, as Knight pointed out, that Taylor will walk the ball up the court and IMO it's odd times to be doing that. As Knight noted, it forces the defensive to take a breathe and set up their defense against a designed play coming out of timeout or a small run that Kansas has just made.

Forcing tempo doesn't mean you come down and jack a shot after the first pass, rather it means to keep the pace going in your favor to allow you to be the most efficient on any given offensive possession.

I have noticed quite a few times over the years, when the game gets tight, Taylor tends to slow the ball game down. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but as Knight suggests, I would also like to see TT push it a little more to stay in that offensive "Flow".

Oh, by the way, I was so happy to see KU shoot 4/13 from 3 point range Monday night. Granted it wasn't the best percentage (31 percent), but it was the attempts (13) that made me happy. 3 pointers is not KU's games, but selective 3 Pointers after KU attacks the paint is their game. I love it!

I love the fact that in the last 3 games since the Mizzou loss KU has shot (15, 14, and 13) 3 point attempts in the last 3 games (All "W's). Freaking Awesome! They also are 14 of 42 in that span for 33 percent. Not great, but I'll take that for this team.

As for the Mizzou game, even though it was over 15 attempts, KU did shoot 6 of 16 for that game so even with that "L"..................I think KU has found the recipe for success this season. They have to stay disciplined and focus on their strengths. If they do that.......................................Wow! That would be a Jaybate Wow!

8 years ago

“…there are times, as Knight pointed out, that Taylor will walk the ball up the court and IMO it's odd times to be doing that. As Knight noted, it forces the defensive to take a breathe and set up their defense against a designed play coming out of timeout or a small run that Kansas has just made.”

Have to say I agree with you and Coach Knight on that. Not only does it occur at odd moments, there were several times Monday night and instances earlier this season, where Taylor almost got a 10-second violation while walking the ball up the court. At the very least, if we are going to set our offense up in this manner, we need to be more cognizant of the elapsed time in the possession.

fenix_hawk 8 years ago

My opinion on walking it up the court is that is our chance to rest. We don't have the luxury of going 9-10 deep like Mr. Knight exclaimed during the game. So even if Bob doesn't like it that is the way we have to play. Rest on offense so our defensive pressure stays up. It has been blatantly obvious that we are losing our legs late in games, mainly Tyshawn. So if he need 9 1/2 seconds to rest on offense I say we let him.

Chris Shaw 8 years ago

Fenix: I think that is a great point! It probably is hard to force tempo when you really only go 5 deep. Interesting point indeed. Maybe that's where Self really needs to take advantage of those TV timeouts.

As some poster noted (I honestly can't remember====maybe HEM, Ralster, or ICT) once you get into Postseason play (Big 12 and NCAA Tourny) those TV timeouts really are drawn out.

You do bring up a valid point though.

Chris Shaw 8 years ago

Well, there is video evidence, Slayr. UNI, VCU, Davidson (2008 and This year) Southern Illinois, K-State loss last year. I did see similarities last night to those games I just listed, but the big difference....................was that KU didn't steer away from it's game plan Monday night.

You know what it's interesting, I can handle KU losing to a team as long as KU goes out fighting and playing ball that is designed to fit their style and team.

I just hate it when teams force KU out of their rhythm and then KU loses complete composure and doesn't play their style. It has happened very often over Self's tenure, but it seems to have happened at very important times and I think that is all I am trying to address and prevent. I just don't want it to happen anymore.

Good stuff Slayr

Chris Shaw 8 years ago

Ralster, I agree with you, but I also think there is a happy medium and you can kind of see my point in response to Slayr. In no way could this team handle the pace that UNC demonstrates with virtually 5 players and Teahan coming off the bench. I think it's just impossible.

But I do think there are situations where you don't have to completely walk the ball up the court, especially when you're only up 4 or 6 points. Now, maybe if you're up 10 or 12 points can I see this happening, but not when you just went on a little run to give yourself some breathing room.

The one thing I do know that team will get it's 3 point attempts but only after it attacks the paint first. If the "Paint" is the focus and the team works itself inside/out rather than the other way around.................good things are going to happen.

I'm telling you, as stubborn as TT is.............I think that may be this teams greatest quality. I think TT has realized that if this team relies on him attacking the basket and Withey and T-Rob doing their thing in the paint.................this team is going to be hard to beat.

I truly believe if this team thinks 3 pointers secondary........................the sky is the limit! I really believe this team can illustrate a "Stubborness" like we've never seen before under a Self squad. And...............they may be the recipe like no other team we've seen at KU in quite sometime. Even with the Mizzou loss....................I like this team a lot!

8 years ago

Nice post, ralster. No doubt Roy’s run-n-gun style of offense was fun to watch, however we sometimes gave up toughness on the defensive end of the ball to get that speed. I remember the time we got beat by Illinois when Coach Self was there, how physical his players were. They knew how to turn a game into a half-court fist fight (Xtreme Muscle in the jaybate vernacular). I kept wondering to myself why we couldn’t have tough players like that. Hence, I was elated when Bill filled the spot Roy vacated :^)

jaybate 8 years ago


Self does not dictate tempo in a strategic sense, only in a tactical sense.

Not setting tempo is the essense of 70-point-take-what-they-give-us.

Self will almost always play it anyway they want, at least he will try to; this is exactly what happened at Columbia. He was determined to play a 4 guard game with his non-four guard team, just as certainly as he is willing to play grind it out with Martin and KSU.

But Self is not just mirroring an opponent.

Self takes what the other team gives; this is crucial.

Self's teams are always taking what is given strategically.

KU's player's knew full well going in that Self was going to force them to play MU's game straight up for at least a half, and more like 30 minutes, before he tactically went for the jugular by playing to KU's strengths.

Why does he do this seemingly counter intuitive and occasionally borderline crazy thing?


If you can beat an opponent with what they give you, then the opponent is self-defeated (no pun intended).

They have selected their best advantage and have given you what they think is your worst advantage, and if you can play them that way, and still find match-up advantages that you can win with, then what else can they do, when they adjust, but adjust to a scheme that offers you even greater MUAs?

I have called Self's approach, which most definitely was developed by Eddie Sutton, tumble weed buddhism. It is turning the opponent's great strengths against them.

It tends to work, too.

And it always leaves you the tactical out of changing gears at key moments and playing full bore to your strengths for a few decisive minutes. That is the tactical dictation of tempo and play.

But often times, Self never resorts to that.

jaybate 8 years ago

Where Self does dictate tempo and play relentlessly is on defense. Self decides what defense KU will play, not the opponent. Self originates the offense with defense, not with offense. The way KU plays defense determines how many chances KU gets and that is the only thing Self cares about determining in a strategic sense.

Self dictated a triangle and two defense the second half. And Self would not back down from it once he adopted it. He adopted the triangle and two as a strategy, not a tactic, as he sometimes does with a zone.

Why was the KSU game in Lawrence not a slugfest, but the game in Manhattan was?

Answer: because in Lawrence, Frank tried to surprise Self with KSU playing a lot of hi-lo and sets almost like what KU runs. And he tried to surprise KU with a defense that guarded more and bodied less, the way KU tends to do. But it didn't work, because KSU didn't have enough talent and Self's take what they give us philosophy just adapted.

But in Manhattan, Martin returned to the old Bob Huggins offense that is run dense pack--the offense that is really just a bunch of blocking schemes more like a football offense than a conventional basketball offense. Martin's selection of his offense turned it into a slug fest, because that is what the offense does, and on defense Martin returned to bodying everyone on every play.

Self responded by playing it the way Frank gave him.

It was the ugliest game I have ever seen. Period.

But from the minute KU faced them down playing the way the wanted, and managed to hang onto a lead, and even separate from time to time, KSU was cooked. What could Martin shift over to that would not give Self and KU more MUA advantages? Nothing.

Men beat boys was the way Martin put it.

By that he meant, KU played KSU's game better than KSU did and beat theme doing it.

Rock Chalk!

Tony Bandle 8 years ago

Living here in Tiger land, I can tell all of you, my fellow Jayhawks, that the Misery fans are already making reservations for the Midwest regional in St. Louis as if it's a done deal.

They feel that even if they lose to Kansas [and most are secretly expecting it], that the #1 seed will still be theirs.

I don't even bother to talk to these "chuckleheads" about basketball reality.

1] Kansas has lost five games and still is only one space behind them in the rankings. 2] When KU pummels them in Allen, Kansas will jump ahead of them in the polls. 3] I may be off base, but, normally, the higher ranked team gets the higher seed. 4] Kansas has a golden NCAA pedigree...Misery does not. 5] Come Selection Sunday, I predict Kansas will be St.Louis bound...and Missouri??? Go West, young over-rated, loud-mouthed, punks...go West.

Joe Baker 8 years ago

  1. Who cares? LOL

They are a freakin' flash in the pan.

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Oakville is a scholar and a gentleman.....but I disagree. Yes.....KU will beat MU in Lawrence, no doubt. But I think MU will win the rest of our games. If we can beat you guys in the Big 12 tourney and win it......we will get the #1.

Yes.....those are big "if's".....but not unrealistic.

We'll see soon enough. MU will at least get a #2 if they dont fall apart . Who knows.

Chris Shaw 8 years ago

I will predict that if KU and Mizzou meet in the Championship of the Big 12 and they have split during the season..................they both get #1 seeds.

The crazy part is how important getting the #1 seed is in the Big 12 tournament. Baylor will be gunning for both KU and MU because of their sweeps over the for that reason alone I would rather potentially meet them in the Championship than the semifinals.

For some reason KU doesn't matchup well with Iowa State, but I would rather play Iowa State than a Baylor squad potentially in the semifinals. Just my two cents.

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Your two cents are worthy, sir......worthy.

actorman 8 years ago

You may be right that if KU and MU meet in the finals after having split during the season, the winner will get the 1 seed in St. Louis (assuming that neither has lost many other games before that game). However, if that's not the scenario and, say, neither one of them wins the Big XII tourney, I would say that KU would get the 1 seed because of a much tougher non-conference schedule than MU. That's why they're so close in the rankings now despite MU having a better record and having beaten KU. I don't think the NCAA will look too favorably on MU's beyond-powder-puff noncon schedule.

Tony Bandle 8 years ago

MizzouBest, 3 games in 3 days..MU has a short bench..we have no bench. Look out for Baylor in this scenario

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Baylor? No.....I'm not too impressed by them. Look how KU and MU pretty chewed them up and spit them out. They are good......yet they seem to wilt under the pressure of other good teams.

I think your bench is ok.....not great. Teahan is a good shooter. Also....I watch ESPN all the time so I see your games.....and I think Kevin Young has talent. He seems very smart with his passes/assists. Sure he has a lot to work on but is getting better.

Without being my usual obnoxious self.....I would honestly say MU is a slightly better team given our seniors' experience,shooting % and Free throw %......but it's very close. I think both are top 5 teams......but KY is a definite #1 and quite a lot better.

Kye Clark 8 years ago

I think Baylor would have to get to that third day to use that scenario and their depth to their advantage, and since they'll almost definitely be the 3 seed (at worst the 4 seed) they'll be playing either KU or MU in the second day of the tournament (the second day for everyone involved anyway).

nb4ku 8 years ago

They will be crying just like when we got the Orange Bowl bid and they didn't.

misfire 8 years ago

I wouldn't bet the farm on Withey being here next year if he keeps playing the way he has the past few games.

JurisJayhawk 8 years ago

I think it's fair to say he is having a big year THIS year as not much was expected out of us. I hope he doesn't leave, but I've stopped caring if players leave. Honestly, with big men prone to being injured, he should go if he has the opportunity.


Janet Olin 8 years ago

Well deserved honor, Jeff! Keep up the intensity, and keep draining those free throws.

JayDocMD 8 years ago

I would love to have Shabazz. He does not, however, address our biggest need for next year: Ball Handling. We seem to have the SF spot pretty well covered, but I know there are certain talents you make room for.

So far, we haven't really been able to fairly judge how the addition of a OAD player will play out on a Self team. Selby's tenure was marred by suspension and injury. The Xavier experience was a push in my book - he contributed, but not as much as hoped. His stay was a little tainted by his prima donna father (FYI: There were some interesting insights into this relationship by teammates in the Beyond the Phog book.)

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Kansas has played very well indeed the last few games.....especially on the road. I have watched on ESPN. Withey is really something.

I'm sort of looking forward to Feb 25th.....but I fear MU will lose. But at least maybe we will keep it close. I'll say KU wins by 10.

Brett Forreal 8 years ago

I agree and disagree. Yes, KU wins, but wins big. At least, by 20.

Andy Tweedy 8 years ago

I came on here to see if the Shabaz stuff was being mentioned (oh, and congrats Jeff). But I don't get it! First, earlier this week, I see that JaKarr Sampson is coming for a visit (class of 2012) and now Shabaz. If I'm not mistaken, we're already one scholarship commitment over what we have to offer, and that would mean either Self is KNOWS someone is leaving, assuming someone is leaving, or asking someone to leave. Now TWO more guys are coming in for visits. I'm starting to feel like we're recruiting basketball players like Alabama recruits football players and over-recruiting to the max. What am I missing?

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Jaybate......someday I want you to meet "Tigbate"......he loves MU basketball,very knowledgable.....but a bit long-winded.

Maybe you were seperated at birth.....and he lives in Missouri?

nb4ku 8 years ago

Maybe you should ask "Tigbates" Mom/Sister, assuming they are from Missouri.

JayDocMD 8 years ago

... legend has it, his father is the renowned karate instuctor: Master Bate. He is a unique instructor - geared more towards Mental combat.

jaybate 8 years ago

The chances of me being related to anyone in Missouri and not having long since committed suicide are statistically insignificant.

What's your excuse? :-)

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Well....Kansas fans......whatever happens this year.......I will miss this rivalry very much. Maybe it's best that both teams are good this year. A fitting way for the rivalry to end.

But will it end? No.....I say no. They will figure out a way to play at least 1 time per year......and that will keep the rivalry going. That's will alternate between Columbia and Lawrence. I think that's better than playing in KC.....I like seeing the true home crowds.

On a personal note.....I can say that I in no way want MU to go to SEC. I think it's awful.....and every other MU fan I know(without exception) feels the same. So dont believe that BS about MU fans wanting this. It's $$$$.....plain and simple. And I think it's sad.

Redlandsjhawk 8 years ago

Mizzoubest I have a solution for you. Just come over from the dark side and become a KU fan. No SEC? No problem. You can stay with us and enjoy Big XII basketball for years to come. You seem like you fit in quite well on this board.

Seriously though I wish you weren't leaving too. Just when MU was starting to make it a legit rivalry again. I used to tell a MU buddy at work, "look, if we're going to have a rivalry, you're going to have to start holding up your end."

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Oh....I will still be watching Big 12 for sure. You are right the rivalry isn't really a rivalry unless MU is better. I am old enough to recall Norm Stewart days when both teams usually were good. MU will never have the winning tradition of KU but at least now we can compete. Probably just this year though since we lose so many seniors.

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Ralster.....the scum MU fans that acted that way are just that.....scum. You're right it has no place in college sports. Truly disgustiing comments. Most of us MU fans would never do that....but you always have the morons that do.

Self is a great coach. Many predicted 4th or even 5th place for they will probably get 1st. He has done a lot with a team that is not as talented as prior years.

Let us hope that the KU-MU rivalry goes on. One game a year is enough to keep it alive and well. But I prefer alternate games at Ku and MU.....not on neutral ground like KC.

jaybate 8 years ago

Here is the awful truth.

After a decent interval, decided most likely by media consultants using survey research, for the Chancellors and ADs, everything will be determined by money.

If both teams can make more money by scheduling each other on Jupiter, or anywhere else, that is what will happen.

If they can make more money by not playing each other, they won't.

If principles, or legacies, were driving anything, MU would never have left for the SEC.

cobweb 8 years ago

Withey took a lot of heat because most thought he looked like the second coming of Eric Chenoweth, tall and soft. Makes you wonder what Chenoweth would have done with Self instead of nice guy Roy as coach.

Chris Shaw 8 years ago

To be fair, Withey never had the opportunity or minutes to denounce that myth. My theory is always that you give a kid benefit of the doubt.......... because with added responsibility (Being the only Center (5) coming into this season) the dertermination to not fail and the so-called carrrying the that influencial at the University of Kansas because of it's tradition and the "Big Men" that came before Withey.

Seriously, who wants to embarrass themselves with that pressure and responsbility that has to be fullfilled?

Jack Wilson 8 years ago

Holy crap??? How does Chenowith even make the top 50? Did I completely miss something?

Kye Clark 8 years ago

You can't take that list seriously. Not exactly sure how that guy put it together, but Aaron Miles as the third greatest Jayhawk ever? I'm as big a Miles fan as you'll find, but come on!

Brian Powell 8 years ago

I was waiting for this, and kept quiet when all the naysayers were moaning at the end of last season and the start of this season.

I knew he had a big upside; Of course, I don't think anyone expected him to be quite as much of a force as he's been lately! Been fun to watch him and TT both turn the switch on mid-season -- hope they keep it up next month and make a run,

Redlandsjhawk 8 years ago

I agree. We went from a one trick pony to a two trick and now a three trick Stallion. KU is suddenly a much tougher matchup than we were at the beginning of the season.

MizzouBest 8 years ago

If your other two guards improve even a little......KU could be unstopable. Johnson is good but has so much more potential. Raleford(is that his name?) seems ok & steady.....but a little hesitant.

rockchalk_dpu 8 years ago

however, this is a midweek game and your STL/KC crowds won't be there. it will be closer than it should, but i can't see MU losing this game.

manunitedjayhawk 8 years ago

Don't see it happening. OSU will have to play like they did in the 2nd half against us Saturday for 40 minutes to even keep it close. I think the fact that Mizzou lost to OSU will light a fire under Mizzou tonight. They are just shooting the ball too well at the moment for OSU to challenge. LeBryan Nash can be a match up problem for Mizzou as well as most of the teams in the Big 12, still I don't forsee it being close tonight.

MizzouBest 8 years ago

Surprised they lost to Arsenal a few ago.

Tony Bandle 8 years ago

This "monkeys flying out of my butt" scenario can only happen if:

  • Radcliffe gets in immediate foul trouble within the first five minutes.
  • Page has the game of his life and hits 10 tres.
  • Dunman has a horrible night but keeps shooting
  • Team suffers let down after Baylor win
  • Oklahoma State pulls it's head out of its rear and plays real bball.

...and not just any one of these, but all five simultaneously

MizzouBest 8 years ago

I agree. Possible but highly unlikely. As an aside.....I cant believe that kid Keaton Paige......he doesnt look like much but wow he can shoot the ball. You would think he would be blocked more often.

JayHawkFanToo 8 years ago

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Mark Twain The little mutt sure has lot of fight in him...and a whole lot of heart as well.

Martin Rosenblum 8 years ago

Maybe we shouldn't be quoting a Mizzourian!

Sandeep Kalburgie 8 years ago

Why dont we try to recruit Nerlens Noel? He is a beast!!!!

Alohahawk 8 years ago

KU was listed on Noel's list a while back, when he was still considered a 2013 recruit. Somewhere along he seems to have dropped KU. Another one of those Big East / Kenstinky debates. Who's offered what to who?

jaybate 8 years ago

What I would like to have happen in recruiting is for Self to raid a bunch of MU players and recruits, but they are not better than ours, so there would be no point. :-)

Alohahawk 8 years ago

<p> NCAA BB page just released their third installment of the writer's poll for POY. TRob still leads, but Davis has moved up significantly in total voter's points. Basically it's a two man race between TRob and Davis. No one else, of 17 nominees, is even in the picture.

It may depend on what happens against Mizzery on the 25th. TRob definitely needs some high production rebounding games.

BTW, don't know who all saw it, but ESPN Sports Center did replay the TRob interview and story after, if I remember correctly, the recent KU win over Baylor. So, at least they are keeping that fresh in the public's (writers) minds.

REHawk 8 years ago

MizzouBest, I don't look to see a one and one with your Tigers, at least in the next 4 seasons...but preferably never. Maybe by Year 3 or 4 at a mutual KC site, likely the Sprint Center, but not at Allen FieldHouse. The Phog bears too much historical importance and sacred hoops tradition to open its doors to a turncoat deserter whose woeful moneygrabbing decision chipped away at the cornerstone of our league. I, for one, will be very disgruntled if the Tigers should be invited back for a game at Allen FieldHouse, ever in my lifetime. I am a seventy year Missouri resident who wishes there were a way to deflect any of my tax dollars from support of my major state university. Though a serious Jayhawk fan, I have long held a secondary interest and mild fan support of Tiger success, when not in conflict with Jayhawk wins, league standings or bowl selections. But never again. With success, I have encouraged all my offspring to donate any of their Mizzou wearing apparel to local thrift stores. In terms of Tiger campaigns at the Battlefield of The Phog, the war is over. You have turned and fled.

jaybate 8 years ago

"Some Ways You Know KU Is Playing TTech Next"

~Spike in babies being named "Billy Bill."

~KU Neocon Academics for Newt student organization spreading vicious rumors that "Red Raiders" are a crypto communist cell threatening the purity of our bodily fluids.

~Mitt Romney announced plans to attend the game to build up support from the Dole Institute, which Mitt says has done more for Kansas pineapple farmers than anyone other than himself.

~Conservative Red Raider moms have announced that they may boycott the KU game, because the KU cheerleaders' 1952 retro skirts worn against Okie State were scandalously short.

~Lubbock Chamber of Commerce touring Lawrence this week shocked by electric lights and running water.

~Tech's star player reported doubtful after being hit by a weaponized tumble weed launched from one of Techs advanced weapons research labs.

~CT scans of TTech legend Donny Anderson's liver are showing up in email boxes of online editors.

~Grass roots movement reported swelling among KU students to chant "Texas Tech has entered a free speech zone called the United States."

~Texas Tech's "Goin' Band from Raider Land" set to break new musical ground at Allen Field House with a piece called "Tribute to Lawrence Welk."

~Texas Tech fans' cars with bumper stickers reading "Defense Institutes R'Us" found cruising Mass Street.

~Rumors spreading rampantly that the Masked Raider is actually the star of the Wachowski Brothers V.

~Another rumor is spreading that certain KU students attending the game will hold up pictures of the Will Rogers statue on Tech's campus with the words "Will Rogers was from Oklahoma, you idiots."

~Cin knows Billy G is coming to town and has told the kids not to expect dad home until waaaaaaaaaaay late.

(Note: all fiction. No malice.)

Martin Rosenblum 8 years ago

Pretty good for a guy working with no sleep!

Martin Rosenblum 8 years ago

"..Lubbock Chamber of Commerce touring Lawrence this week shocked by electric lights and running water."

Plus those newfangled fancy porcelan stools that seem to be all the rage in Douglass County.

Jeeveshawk 8 years ago

@OSU is my biggest concern as of now. I want to win the league outright so that after the little kitty runs away we will have the final bragging rights after

A) winning the conference ourright

B) beating them at home by a greater margin than they beat us at their home

and C) beating them in their last B12 tourney

ps: A and B will happen. C may not if another team beats Missouri before we do.

Ben Simonett 8 years ago

I think everyone needs to forget about 'Bazz

Between Mclemore and White, the 2 spot is locked up for the next 3 years, minimum.

As talented as Shabazz is, as history shows Self will most likely go with the kid whos got a year in the system(mclemore) over the new guy.

If it comes down to a schollie for 'Bazz or a schollie for Parker/Sampson, the front court needs the upgrade much more than the guards.

I'm very happy with the back court situation as is.

Sally Presson 8 years ago

Jaybate is correct when he said Jeff is a success story, but the team as a whole is a success story. I love a team that plays together and looks out for each other and boy does this team have each other's backs. You guys are awesome!!! the Big 12 championship is knocking at our door, just a few more hurdles to jump over and squash and we'll have it once again. We can get those Tigers right at tip off and run them in the ground when the last second buzzer goes off!! I hope we have a blue out. How can we ask everyone to wear blue?

Rock Chalk Guys, see you at the MU game

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