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Kansas defeats Kansas State, 59-53

  • 8 p.m., Feb. 13, 2012
  • Bramlage Coliseum, Manhattan, KS

Tuesday, February 14, 2012

A clean sweep: Tyshawn Taylor talks it up after KU victory

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pops his jersey as he leaves the court following the Jayhawks' 59-53 win over Kansas State on Monday, Feb. 13, 2012 at Bramlage Coliseum.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pops his jersey as he leaves the court following the Jayhawks' 59-53 win over Kansas State on Monday, Feb. 13, 2012 at Bramlage Coliseum.

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— Tyshawn Taylor stared into the boisterous Kansas State student section late Monday night in Bramlage Coliseum, pulling out his jersey and the word “Kansas” in the direction of those who tried to make his life oh-so-miserable the previous two hours.

“They had their time to talk to me while I was warming up and during the game, so I figured I had my time to talk to them a little bit after the game. After we get a win, it’s my time to talk a little bit,” Taylor, Kansas University’s senior guard, said with a smile — after collecting 20 points and five assists against three turnovers in 37 minutes of the Jayhawks’ 59-53 victory over the Wildcats.

He hit a pair of crucial threes to open an 11-0 run that erased a 37-36 second-half deficit with 11:49 left and gave the Jayhawks the lead for good.

Taylor — who missed the front end of a pair of 1-on-1 free-throw situations in the final 1:03 as KSU cut KU’s lead to 55-51 before Thomas Robinson cashed two big charities at :21.3 — was “terrific,” coach Bill Self said after his Jayhawks improved to 21-5 overall and 11-2 in the Big 12. KSU dropped to 17-8, 6-7.

“Tyshawn has been unbelievable in conference play, arguably as good a player in the league,” Self said. “The guy played 37 minutes. His body is dead tired. He told me yesterday, ‘I’m as tired as I have ever been,’ and we play him 37. Unfortunately, he didn’t finish the game. Free throws. He’ll work on that. I’d rather have a guy hit threes than free throws. It’s more points.”

Taylor said there were no excuses for missing free throws in crunch time, as he did in a 74-71 loss on Feb. 4 at Missouri.

“I just (stink) at free throws right now,” Taylor said. “I don’t know what it is. I’ve got to get back in the lab and work on them.”

Taylor, who dislocated a finger in the second half and had it popped right back in, hit a three just before the shot clock expired after chasing down a deflected pass into the backcourt.

That three gave KU a 39-37 lead.

“It’s one of the biggest ones (shots of his career),” Taylor said. “We didn’t have anything going at the time. Then I was able to hit another one right after that, and we had a lead.”

His second three, which came right after he had a shot rejected, gave KU a 42-37 advantage at 10:10.

Taylor ripped home a baseline slam dunk with 4:49 left, giving KU a 49-39 lead. It was similar to the baseline jam he had at Missouri that proved to be KU’s final points of that 74-71 loss in Columbia, in which KU blew an eight-point lead down the stretch.

“It crossed my mind a few times,” Taylor said of KU seeing an opponent cut into a late lead. “Two minutes left, they hit a shot, I thought, ‘Here we go.’”

But Robinson’s two free throws at :21.3 gave KU the breathing room it needed at 57-51, though Rodney McGruder (he and Will Spradling were chased by KU’s triangle-and-two defense the second half) cut it to four by hitting a deep two-pointer at 8.1 seconds. Conner Teahan cashed two free throws at 6.8 to conclude the scoring.

Robinson had 10 points and Teahan two on a night Jeff Withey went for 18 with 11 rebounds and nine blocks.

“It’s always good to win here,” said Taylor, who lost once in Manhattan — last year — during his four-year KU career.

For Taylor, it was sweet redemption to leave the arena with a sign that his sister, Tatianya, found in the KSU student section.

“Hey Tyshawn, Pass Me the Ball,” the sign read.

“She’s been running around looking for signs,” Tyshawn said with a smile. “I think she’ll keep that one.”

KU will meet Texas Tech at 7 p.m. Saturday in Allen Fieldhouse.

Comments

REHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Good post, Comet. I hope Naadir reads it.

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IrishCharlie 2 years, 2 months ago

You can't teach CLASS, it's there or not....

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KansasComet 2 years, 2 months ago

Tharpe can play and play well. He just needs a chance to prove it. Give him 20 minutes in a game, and you will see how good this kid is. I laugh every time, I hear someone say how fast he turns the ball over. Yes, he has been stripped of the ball before and yes he has been snatched out of the game before he can make up for it. If Jeff Withey had been given the chance to play last year as he has done this year, everyone could see that this young man could ball. He always could. Bill Self does not recruit rejects. He does a masterful job of breaking them down and putting them back together. Cole Aldrich in 2007-2008 season, everyone in the tourney was saying "where did this kid from"? He was a McDonalds All-American, he could ball. Tharpe is a 4-star recruit, he can ball. Given a chance, you will see what a lot of posters can already see. This kid can flat-out play. To those who don't agree and think we can get by without this young man, let's just agree to disagree.

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REHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Too harsh on Tharpe. Just wait....

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Ethan Berger 2 years, 2 months ago

We had a Tharpe Sighting, and I think he did well even though it was like 15 seconds. Good drive and pass, very very good play considering K State might have lost on not passing the ball. Tharpe has alot of upside, hopefully he sees that Self is doing what he thinks is best for him.

And WITHEY. I love how he got into everyones face in the time out, then blocks the shot, and then out runs everyone and starts a fast break and finished it.

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Mike Barnhart 2 years, 2 months ago

The old Tyshawn used to drive me nuts. More charges than Mastercard! More turnovers than a french bakery! Less intelligence than a Kardshian! Last night we saw the old Tyshawn ...his name was Angel Rodriguez!!!

Thank heavens Naadir Tharp is firmly planted deep on the bench this year! He and Rodriguez have similar game at this point. The good thing about freshmen ...after a year they become sophomores!

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Redlandsjhawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Before the KU game did you see Pitino on the Louisville sideline? I swear for the first half I thought that was Donny Brasco.

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justinryman 2 years, 2 months ago

It's a good thing that Coach Self didn't bench Tyshawn after the Duke game like so so many posters wanted him to do and start EJ at point. I'd hate to see where this season would have went had it taken that road.

Coach Self had a plan for TT to follow and it took some time, but it happened and it is working!!!!

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machinegun 2 years, 2 months ago

Tyshawn played a great game last night! Coach Self said as much. Ty really took it to the Cats at crunch time. He deserved to give it back to their fans afterward. It's great to be in 1st place again.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 2 months ago

Happy Valentines Day everyone:

1] Did you know St.Valentine was the patron saint of lovers, engaged couples and epileptics?

Kind of an odd mix.

2] It was established by the Romans in 496 AD.

I didn't know Hallmark cards was around that long.

3] The red color and heart symbols came from the fact that many Christian matyrs were named valentines because most were executed by being shot through the heart with an arrow, thus causing a large amount of blood from the victims.

It sounds so romantic.

4] In 1969, Saint Valentine was deleted from the Roman Catholic Calender of saints.

Now he goes by just plain Kevin V.

5] Chocolate is the traditional Valentine candy because of the sensory excitement that can be caused in the female human.

Thank God for chocolate!!

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jhawkr 2 years, 2 months ago

Thoughts going forward ............

  1. TT could have the largest increase from haters to lovers in a one year period. It would be off of the charts if he would take more pride in his FT shooting or at least act miffed when he misses. That and why can't you finish left-handed layups with your left hand ? Have coaches given up on youngsters learning the proper way to help avoid the shot being blocked so easily ??

  2. We could be the only team in Div. 1 who has their CENTER shooting technical FT's !

  3. I still say we are over-ranked. Once the J-Hawks learn to play a full 40 minute game instead of only 20 to 30 minutes then I will be happy. Otherwise we are and will be ripe for a trip-up in the NCAA tourney. The Hawks know they can't play only a half against Kentucky and there is always a ripe mid-major waiting for us. For sure the NCAA committee will make sure one lands in our bracket !

  4. The bench only scores -2- pts. in a total of 30 minutes. 18 of those minutes were from Teahan and he didn't score until there were six seconds left on FT's. Our bench has to produce more. There is going to be a game that we need their output. At least Young is seeming to get more minutes.

  5. T-Rob has to learn to play his man outside of the paint better. When your man is HOT from 3-pt. land stick to his ass like glue.

  6. Withey - Wow ! If he had more strength then a 5'10" guard, he would probably average 8 to 10 more points a game. Just on simple contested layups or putbacks. Then he would probably be considered with T-Rob for player of the year .........

  7. Withey's GARGANTUAN amount of blocks ! While they are impressive on the surface (way to go Jeff), all Jayhawk fans should be alarmed. Probably 90% of Withey's blocks are because our man to man defense is so weak that Jeff is forced to help clean up after we repeatedly are beat on dribble drives !

I'll take the win at K-Suck's court. But damn the Jayhawks are hard on my nerves and heart condition !!!!!!

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1jhawk2 2 years, 2 months ago

Free throws. He’ll work on that. I’d rather have a guy hit threes than free throws. It’s more points.”

WTH? Every point matters Bill, especially in clutch time. I understand no one makes every FREE throw, but players should make them in clutch time or at least a greater percentage of them in the clutch. That would be part of closing out the game. KSUcks still had a shot at taking that game from us. I can't believe you said that. What was the result of the MU game, missed FREE throws at the end of the game left the door open and they took advantage. Look how missed FREE throws hurt OU and their chance to knock off FUMU. Those are Free points while the clock is stopped and they matter big time in all games. I would hate to see us lose in the big tourney because of missed FREE throws (not that I am referencing 2003 National Championship game or anything).

Seriously, you're a pretty darn good coach who believes in defense, but we have to value all of our possessions and that includes the freebies at the line.

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Robert Murphy 2 years, 2 months ago

If you can't play basketball you play rough. I think Frank Martin is a lousy coach and I don't enjoy watching him or his teams. This hot head is a credit to nothing.

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eastcoasthawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Anybody else wondering why the mack truck running over TRob in the paint in the 2nd half wasn't called an intentional foul? Was it too obvious??

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rockchalk80 2 years, 2 months ago

I'm really going to miss Taylor... I could go on about his athletic moves...just as much as I could whine about his TOs and questionable plays...

In the end - he is a good kid, and a Jayhawk---it has been a ride watching him grow.

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CWGOKU 2 years, 2 months ago

All the tv announcers are lousy, so I listen to Bob and Chris. I thought the officiating was inconsistent and atrocious, at best. Thoughts?

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hail2olku 2 years, 2 months ago

Football schedule has been released. We open at home, Sept 15 vs tcu

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jaybate 2 years, 2 months ago

This team is a bunch of war weary, battle hardened jungle fighters now with a sense that there may actually be a way off this godforsaken island jungle of a season...a way to get that title...a way to get to the NCAA tournament...a way to "be a condenduh, a somebody, not just bum."

And you want to risk this team's chance at a title now?

No way pal.

There's a war on and a campaign hanging in the balance, just a few more fire fights from being won, in this remote backwater of the media market crazy world.

Brave young men who have played through hell to get here are going to bear down, reach down, claw and scratch and bite, and they are going to get that title, or leave it all on the floor trying.

And then when everyone says, "They are too tired, too exhausted, too war weary from 35-40 minute games," when everyone says, "They haven't got a chance in the Madness," these guys are going to strap it on, lace 'em up, and then they are going to into the next campaign knowing they already saved KU from ignominy not of their own making, that they kept the string of titles intact even when leadership had made all the mistakes it could make.

And when the NCAA tournament starts, these guys are going to look at each other and say, "Now, we are playing for ourselves. And we are dangerous. And we are mean. And we know how to beat teams better than us. And we lo though we walk through the valley of the shadow of single elimination sudden death, we fear no evil."

Give up now?

You have to be mad!

Last night was Edson's Ridge.

The Tenaru looms.

It could come against A&M, or MU, or Texas.

But it will come.

Rock Chalk 2011-2012 KU Jayhawk basketballers.

You have saved this university from its leaders.

You are saving us all from ourselves.

And you have a rendezvous with destiny.

There is only one way off The Canal.

Get the title.

Do whatever it takes.

The future is now.

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jaybate 2 years, 2 months ago

They are learning every trick in the book and using it.

They are being forced to to survive.

And they've got a coach who won't back down from anything.

Al McGuire and Bill Self couldn't be farther apart in surface appearance and neighborhoods they come from.

But both men trace their roots back to styles of basketball played by people who never had the advantage, never had the most players and talent, always had to scramble to survive on any court the walked on, had to take punches and learn to trip and scratch and spit to win. Al McGuire came from New York street ball. Bill Self came from the Oklahoma hard scrabble game. His father played and coached it. Bill Self played it for Paul Hansen, who played if for Henry Iba. Iba never had the best players. Iba was always in the shadow of Phog Allen. Iba and Doyle Parrack created Oklahoma hard scrabble basketball as surely as Naismith and Allen created basketball.

Bill Self is no dummy. He wants more talent than any one. He wants more depth than any one. He wants all the advantages, because he knows how much more margin for error they create.

But Bill Self was born to coach this team. He was destined to coach this team, just as surely as John Wooden was born to and destined to coach his 1964 team.

This team, thin though it may be, unpredictable in its TOs though it is, this thin, dogged, pugnacious, sly, deceptive, scrappy, hungry, pack of cast-offs and less thans, and potentially greats, and guys with lots to prove, because they were abandoned by Tom Crean, or nauseated by UA dysfunction, or stuck behind too much talent on previous KU teams, or desperation adds, this team has faced a university student body that in the end didn't even believe in it enough to stay with it when one student was selected as a walk on in its time of dire need!

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jaybate 2 years, 2 months ago

And one--Naadir--who is just too young to play at this speed, but who has had to play, and who will have to play again--who has had to walk into this rendezvous with a destiny he cannot possibly even comprehend yet, and he despite all the negative feedback from coaches, and fans, and all the blow bys and mistakes, the kid keeps coming, keeps trying to rein himself in, to hide all of his weaknesses, and give Self just the bare minimum of a point guard's game. I'm even amazed at what Naadir has discovered about the team and about himself. Naadir now realizes that if he can just go in for 5 minutes, for even three minutes and produce a goose egg box score line, then he is helping this team more than all the assists and driving lay-ups he used to do in high school, and that he will do one day again in a year, or two. Naadir gets no credit for what he is doing, for going against a blindingly fast guard like Tyshawn day in and day out in practice, and for finally quitting trying to play at a level he wanted to play at, and playing at whatever level he can play at. For this thin team, even a minute every other game matters. For this thin team rendezvous-ing with destiny, every minute by a sub matters, even every 30 seconds matter.

The guys that never play matter, because even though they never play, this team is so thin that sooner or later even one of them may get the call.

This team has found out how it has to play to win. It has to play with five guys. It has to mask with 3. It has to pray with one.

This team has to jump out fast and sand bag the middle 20 some games.

This team has to sand bag the first 30 and charge like hell the last ten minutes some games.

This team knows that it will be mugged every game, because it only has five bonafide players and its center, Jeff Withey is vulnerable to being bodied in back and kneed in the knees, and head butted and shoved by everyone that comes near him.

This team knows that every game, TRob will be butchered and triple and quadrupled teamed every time he gets a touch within ten feet. This team knows the player of the year will often time be treated like club fighter and bludgeoned by palookas large and small with rolls of dimes wrapped inside their Everlasts.

This team is like Al McGuire's great Marquette teams. 4-5 guys who can really play, three that barely can, and one you have to pray for.

They are learning to play the game like street fighters, like light heavies training for a shot at a heavy weight.

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jaybate 2 years, 2 months ago

When all the grown men and women leading KU failed in their oversight duties, and in their organizational management skills, and failed to keep schools honor protected, it was this bunch of disrespected young Jayhawks that said, "Nuts!" to failure, and "Nuts" to being surrounded, and "Nuts!" to the Chancellor, to ADs, and thieving trash stealing the university blind, and players jumping ridiculously ahead of time, and too targeted recruits declining the greatest basketball program in history like the lilly livered cowards they were, it was this bunch of young men that redeemed this university from its own disgrace.

Play subs now?

You must be mad!!!!

Rob these players of their rendezvous with destiny?

Again and again youth save us all from all the worst in age.

Young men who decide that something must be done no matter what the cost save civilizations from the ash heap of cynicism and decay.

They save countries from venal leaders that would compromise everything including their own children's futures to keep themselves in big houses with servants.

And now we know they can save at least one university's reputation from the corruption and humiliation brought on by College Sports Inc. and the bureaucratic caution and CYA of its adult leaders.

15 young men.

Only 5 of whom are really good enough to play at this level.

And three more who are taking endless abuse for not being good enough, but who lace them up, when every one else just wants to talk about next year's recruits when things go wrong, and about what we haven't got this year--these three--Conner, Kevin and Justin--go out and find a way to plug holes in the dike of each game, for whatever time their considerable limits permit. How do you think these guys feel? Players know their limitations more than anyone. These guys know they are getting burned. They feel Self's tongue lashings as the walk off the court a thousand times more than any of the rest of us. But they keep coming, keep trying, keep finding little ways to get it done, if only for a few minutes.

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Mick Allen 2 years, 2 months ago

I know the many concerns and criticisms voiced here in come from caring, loyal Jayhawk fans who want nothing but the best for our team, however , in reading the comments today one would think our record is 5 and 21, instead of 21 and 5. Try to relax and enjoy the ride, as I think most would agree that this group has far exceeded our wildest collective expectations. There is no one more familiar with our team's strengths and weaknesses than HCBS.Take comfort and confidence from that.

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jaybate 2 years, 2 months ago

When everyone was saying before the season that KU's run of titles was done, this team believed; this team said the island can be taken without reserves, without hope of resupply. This team has been abandoned by the media and the fans so many times that it is used to it now. Hell, if Self told the truth, he would admit that he threw in the sponge a few times. But this team would not let him off the hook. They could not do it his way, because his way requires more talent than he has. This team decided to do it the Marine Corp way--to get it done anyway they could--to do whatever it took.

This is already the most heroic KU team I have ever seen.

And some talk about rolling over, playing lesser players, resting? About playing guys that everyone knows are not yet ready for big minutes in the meat grinder? About giving up a title in our grasp to save a little gas for a tournament that we might not even get on a roll for?

Screw that!

When these guys have fought through everything and gutted it out playing wounded and injured?

Risk not winning a title?

Not on your life!

Not on my life!

Not on their lives!

Not on Self's life!

Not on Allen's life!

Not on Naismith's life!

Everything happens now!

Not every outfit got to walk into Tokyo on VJ day.

A lot of them were left in the Solomons, New Guinea, and the Marianas. The lucky were shipped home, often missing parts. Many still lay under small white crosses.

It is the nature of campaigns. Some times those that strike the decisive blows, that win the decisive battles do not finally get to experience total victory.

Some do.

But to fail to turn the tide, when it can be turned is to doom those that follow you to either to have to pay for the same real estate twice, or to fail entirely.

This team is fighting for its Legacy--and for The Legacy!

Outs in the NCAA tournament, whether in the Final Four, or sooner, are not something to hang up in the Booth Hall of Fame, or in the rafters.

Conference titles are.

NCAA titles are.

If this team wins a conference title, it will have given its all to keep The Legacy progressing, to make this team a crucial team at a crucial turning point in the modern history of KU basketball. It will go down as the team that kept KU excellent even in the face of Self's own bad luck recruiting into the winds of Scalpinggate, Lewgate, Mangiongate, and Realignmentgate.

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jaybate 2 years, 2 months ago

"When Young Men Decide to Save Us from Ourselves, Old Men Need to Support Them, or Stand Aside"

To all those that say, "The boys are too tired, take the foot off the gas pedal, Coach Self, now hear this: Shaka Smart's guys could go 35-40 minutes every game.

UCLA players were conditioned to go 35-40 minutes every game before their run of rings and during their run of rings.

It can be done.

It has to be done.

The difficult comes easy.

The impossible takes a little longer.

If the team has to rest, then it can rest once a share of the conference title is iced, but not before. Otherwise, everything they have struggled so heroically for is lost. And last nights struggle was the basketball equivalent of Edson's Ridge on The Canal of this pre-conderence and conference season.

This team CAN win this title.

Winning a ring is out in the mist of getting on a roll.

Until a share of the title is iced, they have to rest on their knees during games. They have to sand bag for extended stretches. They have to hang on without hope of resupply, or replacements. Tyshawn has to be sent to the corner for 5-10 second rests, while EJ delays out front. Thomas has to continue carrying 3-4 defenders on his back. Jeff has to carry on despite the assault and battery. Travis has to continue the incomparable fete of locking down with a blown tread. Elijah has to shake off the collapse of his offensive game and take away the offensive oxygen from everyone opponent around him. He has to help everyone everywhere on the floor as he has been doing, while Tyshawn is taking over the game offensively between blows in the corner.

Self and the team can take a powder on the conference tournament, if depleted energy reserves require it. From here on out it is not about any code but one. Keep your buddies alive and win the necessary battles.

But...the title is necessary. They have to leave everything on the floor to get this title. Without it, they will not have left their mark.

The future is now for this team.

Rest during conference tournament week, or after the season.

But get this title.

People have been playing seriously injured all season.

Thomas has been playing with both elbows hyper extended and in sleeves. His knee has never fully recovered from the injury before the two DII exhibition games.

Tyshawn has been playing on a blown knee and now he has a dislocated finger.

Travis has the ankle of a 50 year old now.

Elijah's rotator cuff seems barely able to fake working from three, and he seems hopelessly confused at times.

Jeff Withey's had his teeth driven through his lip, his nose broken maybe twice, and has one thigh that barely functions.

God only knows what may be wrong with the guys on the bench.

This is this team's Guadalcanal.

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HawkKlaw 2 years, 2 months ago

The good that Tyshawn brings to the table is finally offsetting the bad that sometimes follows him around. Withey and TRob are the focal points of the offense, but without Tyshawn we would be incredibly stagnant. He steps up when KU needs him. Sometimes he tries to do too much, but he is clearly our best guard. Self asks a lot of him, and as HCBS alluded to, TT is one of the best guards in the country right now. I'm proud of how Tyshawn has been silencing the critics lately. Keep it up TT!

As a side note, did anyone hear Bob Knight say last night that KU is has a deep 9 man rotation that can play with anyone in the country? Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a KU homer as anyone, but let's be realistic...we've got 5 great starters and a couple very shaky (at best) bench players. KU is more like 6 or 7 deep this year. I respect Knight, but I really think he's a terrible announcer sometimes.

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REHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

I have mixed feelings about Tyshawn's possibly being added to the Cousy Award list. I have no doubts whatsoever that, since the Christmas break, he has played well enough to be included among the top 10 point guards in the country. But his complete season of work is still ragged. As a senior team leader, he started the season with a two-game suspension, produced 11 turnovers in a huge nationally televised contest vs. Duke, and often seemed to lose focus in key situations. Since the start of league play his concentration has improved magnificently, he has been on a scoring tear, has patched up his assist to turnover ratio, scores superbly from beyond the arc, and has become a solid leader and team player. Major letdowns, for the most part, can be traced to his near exhaustion at ends of games. From a situation where, in December, he had almost dropped completely off the NBA projected draft boards, now he has moved into a solid Round 2 selection, and might ascend to the first round, depending on how he finishes the season. I would much rather see him play with a chip on his shoulder, striving to prove his worth to the world of basketball than to see him become a late provisional addition to the Cousy list, after which he might relax the intensity of his current focus. TT is a rare talent, among the best to commit four years of play to Kansas hoops. However, he still has a way to go to establish his dominance as one of the nation's 2 or 3 best and most dependable point guards. If he can receive enough rest to keep himself energized and focused, his team is in for a splendid run down the final stretch.

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FarSideHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Thaarpe seemed disinterested sitting on the bench. I hope it was just a fleeting moment that I noticed and not a sign of his future with the team. I really like him and I think he will be the perfect point guard for the next few years with the talent around him.

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KGphoto 2 years, 2 months ago

I don't know why I let this irritate me so much, but all the nationally listed team records have Kansas with a home loss. Obviously they have not lost in AFH this year. The Davidson loss was in the Sprint Center in KC. I just want to slap somebody!

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REHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Folks, these hardfought Saturday/Monday contests are taking a heavy toll on our 34-38 minute players. Self is not gifted with the luxury of substitution late in games. Gotta hope that starters can get some relief this week, cool their blazing wheels. The Tharpe factor might prove to be the biggest thorn in the heel of this squad's progress. Bill Self gambled on staying true to his sound coaching philosophy and psychological makeup by pulling his freshman guard from games when he didn't cut the mustard in November/December contests. Our pre-conference schedule was so tough this year that all too often the team could not find ways to win with Tharpe's play. On a few occasions, esp. when TT or EJ were on a tear for major early season screwups, Self gave Tharpe a shot, but usually yanked him quickly if he followed in the steps of the starter for whom he was subbing. At this stage, Tharpe appears to have learned fairly well from his harsh lessons...but he has little gametime experience to fall back on in crucial moments when the flow of a slim lead might be on the line. If Tharpe stays for his sophomore season, his frosh learning experiences will most probably pay off bigtime for the future Jayhawks. But for the remainder of this season, esp. in upcoming games vs. Mizzou and the Longhorns (in Austin), he cannot yet be depended upon unless we should surge well beyond the possibility of an opponent's late comeback. Gotta hope that Gillispie doesn't roar into Allen Fieldhouse Saturday to dismantle our hopes for a continuing string of wins prior to the return matchup with the Tigers on the 25th. Maybe Tharpe can hit the court for 10-15 minutes of much needed experience this week, providing some rest for Tyshawn and Elijah.

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Jason Keller 2 years, 2 months ago

Anybody every wonder what Bill Self would be doing if he wasn't a basketball coach? Bill is 6' 4", handsome and sports a booming voice. I think his managerial skills, particularly his ability to recognize vulnerability in himself and his opponents, would have served him very well in corporate america. I'm certainly satisfied with his career choice here at KU.

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FLJHK 2 years, 2 months ago

Amatuer observations:

  1. Ugly game. Terrible offensive execution by both teams. But bottom line: a win in Manhattan = a thing of beauty.

  2. Tremendous defensive effort and intensity by both teams.

  3. I have concerns about TRob. He seems very worn down. He lacks the strength and explosiveness from earlier in the season. To me, (probably wrong) he even looked a bit thinner last night. Also, he's making more mental errors of late. I'm not being critial; he remains a beast and is one of my all-time favorite Jayhawks, but I don't like the current direction. I don't think anyone blocks his dunk attempts early in the season; now it's happening with some regularity.

  4. TT is a true warrior. But I don't like recent over-reliance on him at the offensive end. Yes, he's been our best player in conference play, but the team has started to look too much like '09 with Sherron. I don't like that formula. Need to get more ball distribution and offensive involvement from the likes of EJ and Travis.

  5. Actorman: you are right about Knight. It's almost sad.

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IrishCharlie 2 years, 2 months ago

Guy who chokes at crunch time shouldn't be chest thumping.

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BCRavenJHawkfan 2 years, 2 months ago

A few musings;

What exactly happened with TRob on that charge call (his 4th foul) and the KSU technical? TRob's initial reaction led me to believe he may have thought the technical was going to be on him.

“I just (stink) at free throws right now,” Taylor said. “I don’t know what it is. I’ve got to get back in the lab and work on them.”

Looking at FT improvement as a lab exercise could be the problem. There is a golf improvement book called "Instinct Putting". The premise is to allow your instincts to control your putting. In other words just react to the task at hand, do what comes naturally, don't think about. Taylor would be well served to adopt this approach to his free throw wows. His trey shooting which is pure reaction should be proof enough.

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SDSurferFan 2 years, 2 months ago

  • easily my favorite game of the year.  This rivalry matters to these players.
  • Withey block, mid-court dribble, pass to Ty, alleyoop slam----my 'Withey Has officially arrived' moment.
  • love Knight, but Ku is not '9 deep.'  Stop saying it.
  • Releford. Loved his play....limit his TO/great D/energy/productive O.
  • Robinson. Wouldnt trade him for any other player.....but he instigates.  
  • Espn should add another station. ESPNLT. Lin. Tebow.  
  • The best and worst of TT.....still best PG in NCAA.
  • tweet from Andy Glockner:  Kansas also has to be one of the leaders for "Team You Think Could Make Final Four Except You Expect Them to Lose in Rd of 32," right?
  • tweet from Matt Orlander:  Officially driving the Withey Wagon. Kansas is so Kansas when it has Reliable White Center.
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Choctaw 2 years, 2 months ago

I think that Frank Martin has proved himself to be a very classy coach. He looks like a crazy man on the sidelines but he has never ever said unkind things about the other teams or coaches. He takes 100% responsibility for what happens and says if the kids don't perform it's because the coaches didn't prepare them right. HCBS thinks the world of Coach Martin and that is good enough for me. It is great to have that in Manhattan again and while I hate losing to KSU anywhere and anytime it is sure great to have some rivalry back like the old days. We don't have to worry about KSU running away and hiding in another conference like some of our so called rivals.

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Benjamin Jones 2 years, 2 months ago

That's all we need, is Tyshawn taunting opposing crowds after a game in which he picked up his pivot foot & then clanked free throws during crunch time.

Show some class, Tyshawn. KU is better than that behavior. Act like it.

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tis4tim 2 years, 2 months ago

At what point do we consider the possibility that Withey might test the NBA waters after this season? His last three performances have been stellar and, if he maintains his motor through the remainder of the season there is a chance his stock will never get any higher than it is right now. Until this point, we've all just kind of assumed he was staying another year, but there have been a lot of scouts at the games taking a look at Robinson (and, I'm sure, Taylor) who have probably come away salivating at Withey's potential as well. Nimble 7-footers, who can run the floor, block shots and hit 85% of their free throws don't just grow on trees.

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nuleafjhawk 2 years, 2 months ago

This is my opinion - can I get in trouble for that? (My guess is Yes!)

If the Cousy award is based on how important a player is to his team, then by all means, throw Tyshawn's name in the hat.

If it's based on who is the best point guard in the country - he's out.

I just can NOT be the only KU fan who is scared to death when the ball is in his hands in crucial situations. True - he has the athletic ability to make incredible plays at any given time. He also has the ability to throw the ball in the stands, throw up air balls or miss game winning / clinching free throws.

I know that he's important to our team. I know that he makes enough good plays to keep us in any game.

I just don't know from one minute to the next if he's going to make a WOW play or a WTF play.

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ku_tailg8 2 years, 2 months ago

We just won a tough road game. We are still far away from a conference title. I hope that Mizzou game doesn't come back and bite us in the behind. The pressure will be solely on KU for that game and MU will have nothing to lose. If we lose that game, and it cost us the conference, then that will be the worst case scenario. Even though we have owned them, I would hate to think they go off to the SEC with a victory at Allen Fieldhouse. I love how hard these guys are playing but mark my words, the #2 and #3 man will be the downfall of this team. We need production on offense from Elijah, Conner and Travis. They play great D and deserve to be out there for that but they bring nothing to the offensive end. Just being a realist.

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TXChalker 2 years, 2 months ago

This was the first game all season where I have seen Coach Manning up on the sidelines and yelling out at the players along with HCBS. He gets so much praise from all the announcers doing our games. A big Thank You for all your efforts. We are so fortunate to have him. Rock Chalk Great Win.

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agraves 2 years, 2 months ago

I'm sure they are all tired. In 10 days they have played at Mizzou, at Baylor, home against OSU, and now at KSU. Bill Self said last week that today they could take a breath. That's a tough schedule and now with Tech coming to town Saturday my guess is that it just might be an easier week for the team getting some well deserved rest!

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KansasComet 2 years, 2 months ago

Tyshawn, Thomas, Elijah, and Jeff need rest and they need it bad. Missed free throws at the end of games. Tired legs, nothing else. Several dunk attempts blocked by KSU in the second half, tired legs, nothing else. Tharpe makes an excellent pass in the lane to Robinson for a dunk, which gets blocked, and we never see the kid the rest of the game? I for one, believe this kid can flat out play and can shoot the ball. A good player, when he makes up mistake on the court such as a turnover, usually makes up for it with two good plays in return. This team is very good, and has a chance to be special.

Sometimes the real great coaches, do not just look at what they want, but rather what the team needs. This team has enough fresh horses on the bench to get these guys some rest. Maybe a couple of 25-30 minute games for the majority of the starters would be in order?

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KULA 2 years, 2 months ago

‘I’m as tired as I have ever been,’

Did you hear that Bill? (And any of you posters who will never be convinced that 18-22 yr olds can get tired in a game). That's probably got a lot to do with Tyshawn's late game miscues.

And that was the day before a game. After a game that Bill played him 37 min. Bill better start getting Naadir some minutes and Tyshawn under 35 minutes per game and live with a few turnovers or he'll end up with another debacle like UNI, where his leg-weary star guard couldn't throw it in the ocean.

It's not a matter of conditioning. It's a matter of six months of intensive exertion taking it's toll on a body. How many races do you think a world class marathon runner be competitive in per year?

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Ferd Magellan 2 years, 2 months ago

“I just (stink) at free throws right now,” Taylor said. “I don’t know what it is. I’ve got to get back in the lab and work on them.”

"Taylor, who dislocated a finger in the second half and had it popped right back in, hit a three just before the shot clock expired after chasing down a deflected pass into the backcourt."

I seriously love this kid. He is playing like a 1st team All-American. How in the hell is he not a Cousy award finalist? The committee members had better issue a public apology at the end of the season for that embarrassing oversight on their part.

I'm so proud of this KU team. The biggest bunch of overachievers in college basketball.

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Kye Clark 2 years, 2 months ago

  1. Sluggish second half. I admit I was one to blow off the second half of the Okie St. game and chalking it up to human nature. But we can't let it become a pattern. And remember how many of us were complaining about the TRob charge call in the Misery game? How even though that one play didn't decide the game it irreversibly changed the flow of the game, and if it had been correctly called the outcome might very well have been different? I think KSU could say the same thing about the Tyshawn push-off 3-pointer, as much as some of the homers might not want to admit it. Coming out in the second half like that is really going to bite us if we don't correct it now.

I'm not all down in the dumps. There were some positives:

  1. Withey! The longer this run of his goes on, the more likely we are seeing the player he has actually progressed into and not an aberration. I was skeptical (remember Travis exploded for a week?), but I'm starting to believe that he has really turned the corner.

  2. Transition offense. For a couple years there we really seemed to be the worst at finishing on the break. Now it's almost an automatic deuce. 1-5 our starters are all doing a great job at this.

  3. Even though it didn't result in any points, I was happy our end of the half play actually was a play and not just "flat" = clear out and let Tyshawn drive. Did they also run something different Saturday against Okie St? If I'm not mistaken I think we did. Good to see.

  4. Hey, a road win is a road win. At the end of the day, I'm happy to keep pace with Misery, and hopefully we can use the next couple of games against some lesser foes to build momentum to the rematch in AFH. My hope is that in these next two games Coach Self finds it in him to rest his starters a little bit. If Tyshawn is tired and fading at the end of games, please play Naadir some against Tech to give him a rest.

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Kye Clark 2 years, 2 months ago

Glad to get out of there with a win, but there were several areas of concern:

  1. TRob. Even POY candidates are allowed to have an off-night or two. But it was his lack of energy that was upsetting. Not getting rebounds. The lazy defense (how many 3s does Jamar Samuels have to hit before you extend your defense beyond the free throw line and get your hand up?). Getting blocked on at least 2 dunk attempts. The dunk/point-blank blocks have happened in a few recent games. It's like at times he has no lift; that he's hit a wall. Perhaps because he's not used to playing this many minutes he was bound to slow down eventually? I hope not, because that doesn't bode well for the remainder of the year.

  2. Rebounding. This obviously ties into TRob somewhat, but we were manhandled on the glass for much of the game. Somehow (maybe due to them getting out of their regular sets the last couple of minutes in an effort to mount a comeback) we almost evened it up late, but it was a very soft effort by the team as a whole. And it isn't just that game. In Big XII play we have been out-rebounded in 6 of 13 games. With our length this is inexcusable.

  3. Tyshawn's late game struggles. Yeah yeah, we wouldn't be in these games without Tyshawn's great performance earlier in the games. His stats don't actually look that bad either, just for those that were scrambling for the box score in an attempt to refute this claim. He plays great for the most part, but basketball games are 40 minutes long and it only takes a few minutes to turn a victory into a loss. He was bad at the end of the Duke game, the Misery game, then a couple days ago against Okie St. he had some late game miscues, then again tonight. Missed the front end of a 1-and-1, turnover, missed the front end of another 1-and-1. (And there seemed to be some disagreement over the over-and-back call. Some posters claimed the line itself doesn't constitute a violation. Some posters, and Bob Knight, claimed it does. Any clarification?). I like Tyshawn. But even to his staunchest supporters, the ones who do nothing but defend and deny any criticism aimed his way, let me ask you this: in a close ball game in the final minutes, can you honestly tell me you don't feel uneasy watching him play? That even after a great performance for 36 or 37 minutes are you not waiting for the other shoe to drop? As much as I do in fact like him and as great as he played early on, he has given me no reason to trust him down the stretch.

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tdscpa 2 years, 2 months ago

Is Tyshawn's sister, Tatianya a KU student? If so, cool!

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siamsam 2 years, 2 months ago

So - can somebody help me out with the stats - is it possible that TT is the winningest four year starter in KU history?

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jayhawker_97 2 years, 2 months ago

Taylor, who dislocated a finger in the second half and had it popped right back in, hit a three just before the shot clock expired after chasing down a deflected pass into the backcourt.

TT = true warrior

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