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Thursday, February 9, 2012

Perry Ellis selected as McDonald’s All-American

Pray and Play's Perry Ellis (left) tries to get around Dreamvision's Winston Shepard in the Jayhawk Invitational Tournament Friday, April 29, 2011 at Haskell University.

Pray and Play's Perry Ellis (left) tries to get around Dreamvision's Winston Shepard in the Jayhawk Invitational Tournament Friday, April 29, 2011 at Haskell University.

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Kansas signee Perry Ellis has been selected as one of 24 players on the final rosters of the McDonald's All-American teams.

Ellis, a 6-foot-8, 220-pound forward from Wichita Heights High School, will play on the East Team.

The 35th annual McDonald's All-American game will be played on March 28 at Chicago’s United Center.

Ellis is KU's first McDonald's All-American since Josh Selby was named to the roster in 2010.

Comments

Andy Tweedy 2 years, 9 months ago

Pretty nice looking group of first year players next year!!! Ellis, McLemore, White, Traylor and Peters to start. Don't know much about Lucas, but I've read some nice things about Adams, too. And we'll need it, most of our points will be going bye bye!

jhawk613 2 years, 9 months ago

i'm still excited about this year, but it is pretty obvious most of our points are leaving with T-Rob and Taylor.

That just means next year we'll have new primary scorers.

Rob Wempe 2 years, 9 months ago

We will be fine. C- Withey F- Ellis F- Releford G -Mclemore G- Johnson

Bench

Bigs

Wesley Young Traylor Peters Lucas

Guards White Adams Tharpe

This is 12 players there will probably be 9 in the rotation. I would imagine Adams Peters and Lucas will play sparingly.

lionhawkward 2 years, 9 months ago

Keep the big macs and stay with the right pieces in the puzzle. Some call it junk food for a reason, lots of me and my. I love the guys that put something before themself and become part of the Jayhawk Family. Proud of this team for bouncing back last night RCJH

Ben Kliewer 2 years, 9 months ago

Are you suggesting that we don't recruit McDonald's All-Americans?

LAJayhawk 2 years, 9 months ago

I'm not sure what to make of this post. Perry Ellis is a phenomenal basketball player, but he's also a really good kid. He's very bright and is one of those rare athletes that actually puts school first.... if you can believe that. He will be a major piece to our puzzle going forward (hopefully for 3 to 4 years), and I guarantee he will put the team before himself.

Don't know if your point was necessarily pointed at Ellis, but, regardless, it is WAY out of place.

Mike Bratisax 2 years, 9 months ago

Proud also but the rest of your post is a little confusing.

Kent Richardson 2 years, 9 months ago

I read this as a reminder that some of our more heardled teams were beaten by lesser talented teams in the NCAA's that meshed better and alot of super recruits are one and done, That being said, you gotta have the horses and super talent doesn't always means more baggage, unless they are super tuff ladies.

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

I agree, but that is not to say we shouldn't recruit this kind of talent. I think Self has shown his ability to pick the big names that will work for his system, Perry is going to be a perfect example of that. He also know show to find guys that his system will work for, T-Rob is a perfect example of that.

He is a system coach and he always will be. I think thats why some less than informed KU fans harp on him for not bringing in four 5-star recruits every year like Calipari does over at UK. That's just not the way his system is designed to work. He isn't running a Ponzi scheme to funnel guys to the NBA, he recruits the guys who will give him the talent to be impact players as well as the foundation of solid role players that will hold the team together for 3-4 years and carry it if need be (Tyshawn Taylor). I think his win percentage speaks for itself. The system works.

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

I agree, but that is not to say we shouldn't recruit this kind of talent. I think Self has shown his ability to pick the big names that will work for his system, Perry is going to be a perfect example of that. He also know show to find guys that his system will work for, T-Rob is a perfect example of that.

He is a system coach and he always will be. I think thats why some less than informed KU fans harp on him for not bringing in four 5-star recruits every year like Calipari does over at UK. That's just not the way his system is designed to work. He isn't running a Ponzi scheme to funnel guys to the NBA, he recruits the guys who will give him the talent to be impact players as well as the foundation of solid role players that will hold the team together for 3-4 years and carry it if need be (Tyshawn Taylor). I think his win percentage speaks for itself. The system works.

petey55 2 years, 9 months ago

I disagree. If you follow recruiting Self offers many of the same players that Coach Cal does, we've just been losing the recruiting battles lately.

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

If you look at guys that UK is interested in then you will see all of the other big time schools on his list as well. KU, Duke, UNC, OSU, etc.

There is a difference between offering a kid a scholarship and REALLY recruiting the heck out of him. Really making sure he ends up in Lawrence. KU would be foolish not to start relationships with all of those guys, but it is just as foolish to base your entire recruiting hierarchy on the # next to the kids name.

It only seems that KU loses a bunch of recruiting battles because all fans seem to care about sometimes is the average star count for the class. Self does not care about that one tiny bit. It is about the right guys at the right time for his system. Sure you can go out and throw the KU name around and pull in 3-4 lottery picks each year, but that is certainly NOT how you build a sustainable winning culture for KU.

Like I have said time and time again. Bill Self is the winningest coach in America since the has been at KU recruiting the right guys for his system at the right time. That just wouldn't happen if the recruiting situation was as doom and gloom as you say. How many national championships has coach cal won doing it his way? What is his winning percentage over the last decade? How many consecutive conference titles? Exactly.

admansam 2 years, 9 months ago

Let's see - Calipari has been kicked in the butt for how many recruiting violations? Pay to play maybe????

justanotherfan 2 years, 9 months ago

konkey,

I'm a huge KU fan, but calling guys like Rose and Wall ballhogs just isn't paying attention to basketball. Rose and Wall were, respectively, the best players on their teams. Rose took the second most shots on his team (behind CDR) and averaged a shade under 5 assists. Wall took the most shots, but still got both Patrick Patterson and DeMarcus Cousins over 350 shots during the season and averaged 6.5 assists. For reference, during the 07-08 season the national leader in assists had 8.1 and in 09-10 the leader had 7.7. That's not ball hogging. That's understanding your talent and the talent around you.

An NBA caliber PG in college has to recognize that he is probably one of the two or three most talented players on his team and needs to play as such (i.e. take more shots than less talented players) while still getting other guys involved (i.e. don't be a ball stopper).

If you want to look at a Calipari PG that is a ball stopper, point to Tyreke Evans. At Memphis he took nearly 200 more shots than anyone else on the team, and averaged under 4 assists.

dtdjayhawk 2 years, 9 months ago

Perry Ellis is a great player and will be a fantastic Jayhawk

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

Good thing they selected when they did, he is dropping quick. My guess is he won't make the Jordan game.

AaronHawk19 2 years, 9 months ago

Dropping? Perry Ellis is having the best season of his high school career.

Scott Oswalt 2 years, 9 months ago

Exactly. He has scored the most points in Wichita City League history. Dropping from what rankings? This dude is gonna be BIG TIME!

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

Not saying he won't be good. Just looking at the latest rankings that came out a few weeks ago.

Scott Oswalt 2 years, 9 months ago

What rankings are you doing by? ESPNU? High School rankings are pretty much pointless.

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

They are subjective. But for instance in the latest Scout rankings he is a 4 star now behind Cauley.

Scott Oswalt 2 years, 9 months ago

They are actually both 4 stars. Cauley is a center. Ellis is a forward. Huge mistake by HCBS on not recruiting Cauley. He put all his eggs in one basket with Kaleb Tarc. We need all the best instate prospects to come to KU!

http://hskansas.scout.com/a.z?s=390&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2012

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

As I just got thru telling DRsmith, there was an espn.com recruiting page blurb on how overrated Cauley is. Having seen them both in person, I was saying exactly that weeks before the espn piece. Cauley plays soft.

Also, rumor is that Cauley's camp didn't want anything to do with KU. It wasn't a case of Self ignoring him because of Tarczewski.

jhawk34 2 years, 9 months ago

Have you seen Cauley play? I doubt you have

jhawk34 2 years, 9 months ago

sorry icthawkfan meant that for soswalt4. I have seen him to and agree.

jhawk34 2 years, 9 months ago

Have you seen Cauley play? I doubt you have

Ben Kliewer 2 years, 9 months ago

Sorry, that was supposed to be sarcastic and in response to the post about Self making a mistake on Cauley...

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

He moved past Cauley on ESPN's list a couple weeks ago, he's always been ahead of Cauley on rivals, and there was a piece not long ago on espn's recruiting page about Cauley being the most over-rated recruit in the country.

He didn't make the Jordan game. Those rosters were selected last week. Cauley didn't make it either.

p>Scout.com is a joke, as is foxsports.

bennybob 2 years, 9 months ago

Ha!

ranking the rankings sites

  1. Rivals
  2. ESPN
  3. Scout
  4. Foxsports
  5. CBS sports

jhawk34 2 years, 9 months ago

He won't make the Jordan game because Perry has attended the Addidas camps and not Nike.It has nothing to do with rankings.

addlime 2 years, 9 months ago

Plain and simple, you're an idiot! Perry Ellis is a dream student athlete and any school would be lucky to get him. So excited to see him at KU. And nobody cares about the Jordan game, idiot!

Mike Bratisax 2 years, 9 months ago

ict..Usually I agree w/you but letting Cal come in and grab Cauley was a big mistake. Still at a loss on why Self didn't sign this kid.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

Well as I said before, apparently he and/or his camp didn't want anything to do with KU. Can't sign the kid if he wasn't interested.

And we don't need him. We've got plenty of bodies in the post next year (and for the next several years assuming most stick around 3-4 years), and from what I've seen...Cal can have him. He was worthless in a 3-day, 3-game tournament I covered. Less than 30 points and maybe 15 rebounds for the whole tournament.

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

I had heard to same thing. You can't force a kid to play for you if he doesn't want anything to do with the University. Anyway, I don't care how talented he is, if he isn't stoked to come in and make an impact at KU we are better off finding another Jeff Withey :-)

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

Yep, first year. If you knew a lick about bball you would know that McD may be the most known, it is also known to be highly biased towards Duke and UNC. Guys not even in the top 50 getting picked. Also, they don't put the limits on whether you are a 5th year senior etc.

Sam Constance 2 years, 9 months ago

I am skeptical that there have EVER been any McD's AAs selected that weren't in the top 50...

It would have no credibility if that was the case.

kranny 2 years, 9 months ago

He didn't make the rosters for the Jordan brand: http://www.jordanbrandclassic.com/featured-news/2012-jordan-brand-classic-team-announced.html But I've seen him play and he's going to be a good one.

Benjamin Simon 2 years, 9 months ago

anyone else surprised tarczewski isn't listed??

Joe Satterwhite 2 years, 9 months ago

Anybody know why he's on the East team and not the west...just thinking geographically???

Scott Oswalt 2 years, 9 months ago

Geographically Kansas is in the middle of the USA. Flip a coin.

kupride4u 2 years, 9 months ago

A kid from Indianapolis is on the west squad....go figure

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

benjman25...Tarc was not eligible to be picked.

2 years, 9 months ago

Anyone else notice NC State cleaning up with McD All Americans??

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

Yeah that was the lead title on espn.com's front page, that they had 3. That Tyler Lewis is pretty far down on both the recruiting website I go to...kinda weird.

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, usually it is Duke and UNC with players that have no business playing in this game

kranny 2 years, 9 months ago

Remember Wally Judge? He was a McDAA. Where's he at these days?

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

I noticed that. A lot of the usual suspects are listed and then "boom" NC State. They were all in-state kids, so that part makes sense, but I wonder what the deal was with them not being split among Duke and North Carolina. Anybody have an idea what took place? Were they AAU buddies and went for a package deal? Is NC State paying more now? Do they just hate Roy and Kryshsheiahswski that much?

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

No idea why, but another theory could be one that has hurt KU in the past: playing time. Maybe these guys wouldn't be starting at Duke and UNC, but could come in and start right away at NC State.

I don't follow any of their programs closely enough to know that, but it's something to consider.

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

So I looked up their current roster, just to see how it looked, you might check them out, as they might be a sleeper team. A couple things stood out:

  1. They are quietly making noise in the ACC (not saying much this season). They are half a game out of first place, and had they not lost by one point the other night to Virginia (ESPN's darling atm) they would be tied for first.

  2. Only one of their top five scorers is a senior. And the points are pretty evenly distributed among those five players. So how these new guys mix in will be interesting to see.

Look them over, see what you think. I still think Florida State is the best team in a weak year for the ACC, but this team might shock some people.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

Well first of all, when you say that you think Florida St is the best team in a weak year for the ACC, I assume you mean aside from Duke & UNC? If so I think you're right, although they have some bad losses on their resume (Princeton AND Harvard, Boston College).

Now to NC State - just looking at the stats and years of the guys contributing (playing major minutes), yeah they're mostly juniors, a couple sophomores, and a couple seniors. I really can't deduce any more from that than you could. Never seen them play this year. And was really too lazy to look before. Was just shooting it out there as a possibility.

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

Man, I am just not sold on UNC or Duke this year. I am particularly skeptical of UNC, as I swear they look worse now than they did last year.

Maybe it is my knee jerk reaction, but when you blow out UNC at home, and potentially sweep Duke in the same season, I have a hard time buying you are not a legitimate conference leader.

I still think Duke wins on the unbalanced schedule, but I'm not 100% sure that their best game is better than Florida State's best game. Particularly if the Seminoles beat them twice.

Defensively and rebounding, who in the ACC is better than FSU (considering possessions, because we all know Roy runs stats to the moon)?

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

If UK thinks they are long this year, wait till next year when Self will actually have to ask Sheahon to raise the roof on AFH to fit next year's starting line up in the joint.

1 6-4 Elijah Johnson 2 6-6 Travis Releford 3 6-8 Perry Ellis 4 6-8 KY/Justin/Jamari 5 7-0 Jeff Withey

These are some lonnnnnng birds.

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

Ben is the sixth man and Top Gun until he proves he can guard like Travis.

And Travis is going to be just like Tyshawn regarding Trey shooting.

Last year TT had a bad hand and shot only 36% or something, which was pretty good for shooting with a bad hand.

This year, with a healed hand, TT is shooting 45% from trey.

This year, Travis is shooting 36% on a bad wheel.

Next year, with good wheels, he will shoot 40%.

And he will be lock down the opposing team's best perimeter defender.

Ben Mac has to defend his way into the starting line-up, when he does that, if his trey gun is as accurate as some say, then he will get his starts. Not before.

Lock down perimeter defenders don't grow on trees.

There are more 40% trey shooters running around than lock-down perimeter defenders.

Lock down perimeter defense is the coin of the realm in Self Ball.

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

LOL, takes more than length. That team is no where near as talented as UKs is this year.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

Why are you trolling here? Beat it freak show. Go cry about Cauley not getting picked on your own boards. Jeez...number 1 team in the land and nothing to talk about with your own fan base? What a sad pathetic existence being a Kensucky fan must be

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

Who is trolling? I am a fan of college bball. My apologies if you don't agree with what I say. If you like to discuss it feel free to ignore my posts. And FYI, there is no way Cauley should have been picked,. I never stated that. He will be a good 4 year player, nothing more.

Ben Kliewer 2 years, 9 months ago

I've said it before. What kind of weirdos take the time to go post on other team's message boards? Especially teams they only play once in a blue moon (no pun intended). If I had the time to go around posting on Duke, UNC, UK, KSU, Mizzou, Nebraska, etc. etc. etc. message boards I'd look at my life and cry at how empty and meaningless it is...then I might slit my wrists just to see color...

Mike Bratisax 2 years, 9 months ago

Maybe DRsmith has a point. Kentucky has amazing talent. But a team is a lot more then a group of talented players..And Cal ain't got sh** on Self when it comes to building a team.

And yes..Kentucky beat us early at MSG but that KU team is a long way from the team playing now.

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

Well, unfortunately Kentucky is a different team now as well.

Not saying we cannot play with them, as I think our starting five can. But they are pretty solid this year. But to be frank about their record, from top to bottom the SEC is not what ESPN thought it would be this year. The Big 10 and Big 12 have the best overall leagues. The Pac 10 should fold up shop and quit. The Big East should have a few good teams, they field forty-two in their league, somebody has to be good. While the SEC is Kentucky, and then a couple other good teams, and then the "stat padding crew."

As far as coaches go, Coach Cal ain't got $hit on Coach Self except World Wide Wes in his hip pocket.

RCJH!

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

And KU is no where NEAR as talented at Baylor this year, yet they mopped the floor with them twice. Takes more than length and talent to make a team go....

Oh and seconded that Ben will/should be in the starting 5. 1 6-4 Elijah Johnson 2 6-6 Travis Releford 3 6-5 Ben Mc 3/4 6-8 Perry Ellis 5 7-0 Jeff Withey

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

Oh, my, what a surprise, another serial alias smear-opping today. :-)

Duh, you're too smart for us. ;-)

Why don't you just really get subtle and use the same name and use one larger integer at the end each time?

For example,

Manginoid1, Manginoid2, Manginoid3...Manginoidn

Humanoid is a like a human. Manginoid is like a manginorh00lzs.

Rock Chalk!

jayhawks0034 2 years, 9 months ago

Also forgetting Andrew White 6-6, Landen Lucas 6-8, and Zach Peters 6-9

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

They all have to get here and defend like men, before they get to be the main courses. Until then, they are just tappas that want to be the whole enchiladas.

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

I would say Ellis will find his home on the block and in the short corner, but the dude is talented all the way to the perimeter and I fully expect to see him step out like a Brandon Rush type guy and guard guys out there as well as to pull the defenses away from Jeff and the other bigs.

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

trojanhawk,

There may be no way in your opinion, but in Bill Self's opinion in a comment made to one of the LJW sportswriters Perry will play the 3, if I recall correctly.

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

I think he will play the three a lot, I just don't think he will start the three. I wasn't clear on that. He is the classic 3/4 combo that Self loves. He will be a matchup nightmare for teams. But, at 6-8 and with the guys we have, I just think he will be the 4 in strong lineups and a 3 in the weaker ones.

John Sheehan 2 years, 9 months ago

I think our starting 5 next year are: Elijah Ben Mc Releford Ellis Withey

Why do you think Releford is a 2 guard next year? Love to speculate on this stuff and always like to read your take.

HawkKlaw 2 years, 9 months ago

I think you've got it right. I believe jaybate put Releford at the 2 because he thinks Ellis will end up playing the 3 spot. I don't think that will be the case. From what I've heard, Ellis can play the 3, but he's more of a 4 spot guy.

The only issue is BMac and Releford are both 3 spot types of players. I think Self will probably start them both, but someone else could end up being a starter at the 2 spot.

billhawk 2 years, 9 months ago

JaKarr Sampson is visiting this weekend from what I've read. He doesn't seem to be listed in the top 150 players... Anyone know anything about him?

We got a couple good players coming in next year in Ellis and White (maybe Peters), but it concerns me we're recruiting players that don't crack national rankings.

We're so thin already this year and we lose our only two consistent players. Hopefully we'll be in on a few more McDonald's All-Americans next year!

jc1306 2 years, 9 months ago

Sampson was the #51recruit in the 2011 class. He committed to Steve Lavin in that great class St. John's was supposed to bring in. Sampson didn't qualify and went to prep school. He was a 4 star recruit in the 11 class. He can play.

billhawk 2 years, 9 months ago

Thanks!! Might be a nice pick-up then!

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

Well BMac will be eligible next year, so that's another ranked kid in the mix. Should give us 5 in the starting line-up:

1 - EJ 2 - BMac 3 - Releford 4 - Ellis 5 - Withey

All ranked coming out of high school. White is ranked either 49 or 56 depending on what recruiting site you go to. Peters is said to be a top 20 talent but skipped AAU ball to play football his last year. Jamari Traylor was ranked low on rivals last year (#141 on rivals), but he will have had a half-year head start working out & practicing at the college level. Laden Lucas is a 4 star talent ranked the #1 player in Oregon by espn. Anrio Adams is ranked the #1 player in the state of Washington by espn.

The McDonald's All-American is a nice honor, but TRob wasn't one, and here he is leading the race for Player of the Year. Don't worry too much about it and enjoy the fine players we have.

refugee 2 years, 9 months ago

I think that by midseason Releford is coming off the bench. Ellis is more of a 3, especially if he wants to play in the NBA. The flexibility HCBS will have if they all progress will be reminiscent of the 08 team..

Alex Berger 2 years, 9 months ago

Marcus Morris is a 3 in the NBA but played 4 for Self. College ball is a little smaller than pro ball.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

No way, unless he's hurt, is Releford coming off the bench. Self values defense above all else, and Travis is the best he has now. There would be no way that Perry could come in his freshman year and be able to guard anywhere close to the level Travis can, especially since he (Perry) has been more of a post player throughout high school.

Also, Perry is hardly the first hybrid 3/4 to come through Self's program. Julian Wright was in that mold, barely ever played the 3. Marcus Morris was in that mold, barely every played the 3. Especially their freshman years. The ballhandling skills for guys that tall generally take a little more time to develop and work their way up to the college level, as well as the foot speed required to guard experienced college 3 men.

Another point is Self rewards his seniors with playing time, especially those that are studs on defense. Releford played the good soldier, red-shirted when Self landed X, waited his turn. Self remembers that.

And lastly, we have a pleuthora of talent behind Travis that can spell minutes at the 3. BMac can play there. Andrew White is a 3. Self is in need of post players. He'll have Withey, a bunch of newbies, Wesley who will probably be left out of the rotation and without a scholarship, and KY who was a stop-gap this year and on a team with so little depth still goes games barely sniffing the court.

I understand Perry will be a 3 in the NBA should he progress that far, but Self's first responsibility is to win games, not develop guys so they can jump to the league. He'll get his chance to work there, but expecting him to supplant Travis next year is a bit far-fetched.

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

Agree, there is no chance in hell of any player short of Kevin Durant unseating Releford from his starting spot.

Brandon Pope 2 years, 9 months ago

Agree here as well. Releford has put his time in, he is a lockdown defender and thats what Self cares about more than anything else. Perry is 6-8, he is going to be a 4 (that on occasion will leak out to the short corner or elbow to knock down a J).

Neom 2 years, 9 months ago

One school with 3 - NC State; Two schools with 2 - Kentucky, Arizona; All other schools with 1 or 0; Some could change though with 5 undecided.

jayherk 2 years, 9 months ago

Calipari can recruit but he hasn't done sh*t when it comes to winning championships. He should win the sec, it is the second weakest conference besides the pac 12. I love it when Kentucky fans talk sh%t about Ku, at the beginning of the year they were saying Ku is nit bound, I think they forgot they were there 4 years ago.

Jeeveshawk 2 years, 9 months ago

Ellis should make a nice edition to a great bench next year. Our starting lineup will be:

1- Johnson 2- McLemore 3- Releford 4- Young 5- Withey

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

I think Perry will start over Young. Otherwise I agree.

Mike Bratisax 2 years, 9 months ago

By the end of the year, I agree. Young could be the starter when the season starts.

Sam Constance 2 years, 9 months ago

Good lord...

That either means that Young has made amazing strides in his game by the time next year starts or KU is going to be terrible next year.

Vernon Riggs 2 years, 9 months ago

I think that we will go back to a 8- or 9-man rotation with:

Johnson, McLemore, Releford, Traylor (who is getting great pratice time going against TRob this year), Withey, Ellis, White, Young, Tharpe

Peters may take over Young's spot later in season. Young is great on the offensive side. Great passer with vision. His defense must drive HCBS batty.

Average 20-24 minutes of playing time for each. Box Score will be hard to tell who starters were at the end of the game.

Brianna Zaleski 2 years, 9 months ago

jayherk,

I hate to say it but I think this could be their year.

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

Nope, KU will meet them in the finals and upset them.

KU has not had a really great upset win in the finals in awhile.

This is the year.

This is the team.

The team everyone doubted and disrespected for not having the talent.

This is the time.

These are the men.

If they can just get off The Canal of the conference season without further injuries.

You only need a few good men.

And these are them.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

I agree. I just take issue with Kensucky trolls coming on a message board on an article where we should all be congratulating Perry on his accomplishments, and instead turning the conversation to how great UK is this year. Sad that he/she was able to accomplish that with so little effort.

That, and the insinuation that Perry isn't deserving of the award because he's "dropping quick" is pretty classless.

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

Cal will not win the ring.

Cal will be undone by the unexpected that comes with his team's youth.

Jason Keller 2 years, 9 months ago

Let me tell you all why Bill Self is THE greatest recruiter in the entire nation. He goes after a perfect kind of talent. A kid who is head and shoulders above the rest but still has enough to learn to avoid being a 1 and done. That way Bill can get at least 2 years if not 3 out of all of his best players.

2 or 3 yrs. from a player rated 90 > 1 yr. from a player rated 98

Please do not be fooled by the big time splashes being made in Texas and Baylor. A portion of those kids are turn-key NBA boys and will be gone after a year. They will be at an incredible disadvantage playing our older players like Releford, EJ and Withey.

This year, KU's class is typical Bill Self genius. Perry is the only kid who will be leaning toward the league after 1 year, that's if he has a very productive year. We will get 2 or 3 out of the other 4 stars.

Keep your eye on Lucas, I think this kid is a sleeper. He could be the next T-Rob.

Jack Wilson 2 years, 9 months ago

I have made a note on Lucas. Possibly the next TRob.

By the way, I've got this hedge fund I can get you in, if interested; great deal; guaranteed 20% each year. Everyone is getting in. The fund manager is a genius.

Jason Keller 2 years, 9 months ago

Quality sarcasm should be sharp and specific but also comprehensible by the masses. #GetItTogether

didjabuti 2 years, 9 months ago

I could explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

I got it. Thought it was high-quality sarcasm

Kit Duncan 2 years, 9 months ago

Lucas will have a year to learn from D Manning and practice against Withey, and that will almost certainly make him a MONSTER under the basket! He's already got Manning like moves and a baby hook shot ala Danny. If he grows another couple inches watch out!

Folks wonder why Cauley wasn't recruited by KU. Two reasons:

  1. He's probably a one-and-done and he wouldn't be starting ahead of Jeff next year, so it would be a waisted scholarship.

  2. See above i.e. Landen Lucas. He's more likely to buy into the Bill Self system.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

There's no way Cauley is a OAD. Have you watched him play? And I don't mean some highlight reel somebody put together. Tallest kid on the floor most of the time, and yet you'd barely know he was out there.

The two reasons he wasn't recruited by KU are one (or possibly both) of the following reasons:

  1. Self saw what I saw, and figured he didn't want to waste his time coaching a kid that was that disinterested.

  2. As I've stated elsewhere, there are rumors that Cauley's camp wanted nothing to do with KU.

BrockIII 2 years, 9 months ago

Self is a great recruiter, but there is not just one set profile he recruits. He's had great success with the 2 and 3 year kids, but is still recruiting the elite, one and done caliber kids each year as well.

P.s. Let's not compare Lucas to Robinson quite yet. Sheeeeesh.

JhawkalumJB 2 years, 9 months ago

I think landing Ellis was a HUGE get for KU. He seems like a mature young man that will be very coachable and thrive under Self and Manning. We will have some youth next year and I'm sure Ellis will play a big part in the line-up.

Jack Wilson 2 years, 9 months ago

Starters same as most mentioned above: 1. EJ 2. BMac 3. Releford 4. Ellis 5. Withey


Rest of rotation -

  1. Sampson/Parker (wishful thinking, I know)
  2. Tharpe
  3. Traylor
  4. White

If Sampson or Parker don't pan out, which is the most likely scenario, then move Traylor up, and the battle for the last spot in the rotation is between Lucas/Peters/Young/Wesley. Possibility that Adams could get in the rotation mix, depending upon Tharpe. Buried in the doghouse is an understatement for Tharpe right now. Hard to imagine a pure escape by next season.

One obvious result of the dip in recruiting is the complete inexperience off the bench next season. But at least there is hope for depth.

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

That starting five will struggle early on, but once the new guys get some in-season experience that starting five is solid.

Again, I am suspect at that bench. Tharpe, will he even be here by next year and if he is will he play? The other guys we know absolutely nothing about. Where is KY in that mix? I see him getting better. He already transferred once, he is pretty much here to stay. Where does he end up?

By the way, two years from today we are loaded again with depth, talent, and experience. Book it.

Later HEM.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

Not HEM, but couldn't help but jump in.

As to Tharpe - he'll be the back-up PG next year I imagine. 10-15 mpg, depending on how much better he gets between now and then. Anrio Adams is coming in and he's supposedly a combo guard, but we all know how much Bill hates freshman PGs. Adams is someone who might be better off red-shirting. And of course, there are questions as to whether he will even qualify. Self is getting by without a back-up PG this year by sliding EJ there when Tyshawn gets a rare break, and just plugging Connor in at the other guard spot. Next year there isn't another suitable player to run the point, so Tharpe will be it. If he transfers, it might be another year of Bill having to get a ton of minutes out of his starter at that spot.

As to KY - I suspect, as I think HEM does, that he'll be in a dog-fight for minutes as the 3rd big, the first post player off the bench (which is usually the only one that gets consistent minutes as the year goes along). But he'll be battling Wesley - who despite his penchant for fouling is a better low-post defender, Traylor - who might have been playing in front of him this year had he been eligible, Peters - who Self was so high on he offered him a scholarship his sophomore year of high school, and who Self says is a top 20 talent but he took off the AAU circuit last year to play football his senior year, and Lucas - who I think is a solid sign but might be better off red-shirting next year as well given the guys who appear to be in front of him. Could KY win the spot? Even maybe the starting spot to start the year? It's possible. But only if he improves to be a serviceable defender. If not, Self will look at him and realize he has only one year of eligibility left, and instead focus on developing Traylor, Peters, or Lucas.

As to the bench, and next year in general - there's reason to be suspect everywhere - bench & starting line-up. Three seniors who have never been asked to carry the scoring load, and a bunch of newbies. We will most likely be worse off next year than this year, in terms of W-L record, post season expectations, etc. But next year is the true "reloading/rebuilding" year. Lots of young talent coming in next year and in '13. To me that's fun. Watching the new guys come in and develop. Kind of like the '06 team. Bunch of freshman & sophomores, which laid the groundwork for the championship season.

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

Yeah man, I remember the 2006 and 2007 seasons, watching thsoe guys go from getting beat up in the early non-conference, to being solid players on their way to another conference title.

Good times, good times.

yates33333 2 years, 9 months ago

It will difficult to keep Peters out. He plays like a college sophomore already. He can score, bang and rebound, and has great court awareness. Of course, Traylor and McLemmore are already sophomores and probably ready to go. Also, I suspect EJ and Releford will see fewer minutes than we imagine. Most of these new players coming in remind me of Cal's recruits, mostly ready to go. I cannot judge their defensive play considering the opposition so maybe defense will help Releford and EJ. Can teams ever have too much talent to mesh as a team? I hope not.

Ryan Michael 2 years, 9 months ago

I see no way that EJ isn't our starting point guard playing 35+ minutes next year...

He's bought into Selfs defense gameplan, and he's become out best defender. His shot is pretty, it's going to start dropping especially when he gains the confidence he needs in his senior season...

kufankam 2 years, 9 months ago

From someone that has seen Perry play - Will he play the 3 or 4? I always assumed the 4, but didn't realize that he is listed at 220... He is supposedly able to shoot to 22 ft... I was just curious if he was strong enough to battle inside with bigs? I am not hating/questioning the kid's toughness. He just looks so beastly in his photos, I assumed he was around 240. I was surprised to see he was listed at 220... Maybe, after a summer with Hudy, that will be a 6'8", 235 frame???

Mike Kendall 2 years, 9 months ago

Anyway Perry could be ready for KU this year? I am being sarcastic! Can't wait for the big fella to be in a KU uni. Rock Chalk, and congrats, Perry!

Andrew Washington 2 years, 9 months ago

I wonder how many 5 star recruits KU has had in the past 10 years vs the other blue-blood programs? I looked at rivals and here's what I found:

UCONN: 10 DUKE: 13 Kansas: 13 UNC: 12 UK: 17 ( ..14 have been since 2009!)

hmm.. KU seems to be right up there with the best of them. We beat everyone except UK and tie with Duke.

Krohnutz 2 years, 9 months ago

The Coach Cal One-and-done machine has the five star program up and churning.

And it never hurt to have World Wide Wes on speed dial.

Good info though, thanks for adding that up.

Kye Clark 2 years, 9 months ago

Thank Gawd Murray St lost. Now everyone (poll voters) can get off their junk and stop moving them up just because of the unwritten rule that "Team A is ranked one spot above Team B. Team A lost, Team B did not. Team B should move ahead of Team A"

Mike Kendall 2 years, 9 months ago

Yep, I am right with you on this one, 316. In fact, I have a feeling, the Jayhawks will be moving up in the poll next week----just in time for the Wildkittie fight in Manhattan.

Martin Rosenblum 2 years, 9 months ago

Totally off topic. How does Paul Pierce end up on the reserve list for the All-Star game after just making history by passing up Larry Bird's record? Sure he's not in his prime. But, he is a Legend and deserves to be an All-Star, not a reserve.

treed14ku 2 years, 9 months ago

HUH?!?! He IS on the team, what are you talking about? You say "he is a legend and deserves to be an All-Star, not a reserve". Those two things are the same thing. Unless you are trying to say that he should be a starter, which in that case, you are crazy. I hate LeBron as much as anyone, but there is no way Pierce is selected as a starter over LeBron or Wade.

Martin Rosenblum 2 years, 9 months ago

Of course he is on the team, not as a starter, however. So is Marc Gasol and other "squeakers by" on the reserve list with The Truth. LeBron and Wade represent a different ilk of players than Pierce and therefore receive votes more easily. I wouldn't suggest that Pierce be a starter instead of those two you named. But, he deserves more in general than to be on a reserve roster due to his importance not just to the Celtics, but to the game of basketball. .

justanotherfan 2 years, 9 months ago

Paul Pierce is an All-Star. He's on the All-Star team. There are two groups of All-Stars - the starters (selected by fans) and the reserves (selected by coaches). The Starters for the East are Rose, Wade, James, Anthony and Howard. The West Starters are Paul, Bryant, Durant, Griffin and Bynum. Everyone on that list is a starter.

The backups (reserves) are (East) Bosh, Deng, Hibbert, Iguodala, Pierce, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson (West) Aldridge, Marc Gasol, Love, Nash, Nowitzki, Tony Parker and Westbrook. All of those guys are also ALL STARS.

Sam Constance 2 years, 9 months ago

Just so we're clear...

There are only 10 spots on the "not reserve" list in the entire NBA.

Only 5 when you consider the fact that Pierce can't make the team for the West.

Only 2 when you consider the fact that Pierce isn't going to make it as a PG, PF or C (starters must be in their proper position)

If all of that isn't enough to make you reconsider your indignant outrage, perhaps the fact that the starters are selected by fan vote, and not any actual measure of merit, will ease your mind. Pierce hasn't been selected as an All-Star starter in years since he has played in the same conference and position as Lebron James since 2003.

Martin Rosenblum 2 years, 9 months ago

On topic:

Perry Ellis, you will always have a free pass to the front of the line at McDonalds. Mayor McCheese will personally serve you your Happy Meal from now on!

johnnyphoton 2 years, 9 months ago

What's made this year's team exciting is their dedication to team. Not saying others haven't and this future cast of starts won't, but here's hoping all this long talent will want to be coached. Regardless of what some posters have said, HCBS is a great coach. If the group of players noted here listen, like this year's group, they will win. BIG

REHawk 2 years, 9 months ago

I'm more than a little curious about Bill Self's evolvement regarding the point guard/combo guard situation. Projected to be a pure point guard, somewhat in the cut of Aaron Miles (Roy's recruit, by the way), was Naadir Tharpe merely a fill-in as the best remaining guard recruit last summer, or had Coach waffled somewhat regarding his outlook on floor generalship...perhaps after expeiencing the frustrations in converting TT to a solid leader in whose hands the ball would be brought upcourt? What I really wonder: Has Naadir been cast in the role of converting to combo guard in lieu of focusing primarily on the manner to which he was accustomed before his recruitment? It has appeared that, in no time at all, Naadir was trying to emulate TT while on the court, slashing to the hoop and shooting 3s rather than focusing primarily on ball distribution and high assist numbers. Perhaps his transition stemmed from elevated turnover numbers when he first appeared in games; maybe Bill Self has demanded that he work on elements of his game which go beyond the pass-first mentality. Whatever the case, he has not been a significant contributor to a team which sometimes seems almost desperately in need of guard relief late in games when Tyshawn tires...or earlier, when TT goes through brief periods of lapses in focus. Will Naadir survive to be counted upon as part of the mix next season? If his dependability is highly suspect, at season's end, will Bill Self yet attempt to focus on bringing in a Pierre Jackson-type experienced jr. cllg. backup for our starting guards? Will Naadir's year of practice time experience benefit him, and next year's squad, in anywhere near the manner in which we saw Russ Rob improve by his sophomore campaign...or will Naadir red shirt or go the route of Royce Wooldridge? Perhaps too much was demanded of him, considering that Tyshawn's multiple value lies in being a primary scoring threat, esp. since Elijah has not yet become a dependable scorer, game in and out. A sub for Tyshawn is cast in the role of making much more happen than merely distributing the ball. A heady learning responsibility for a 6 ft. recruit cast in the role of subbing for the most versatile scoring "point guard" in this year's Big 12.

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

Why aren't you using the new logo I posted for you in jaybate's Gallery of College Basketball Paintography?

ict is distracted by your default logo. We need ict fully focused the rest of the way. You have to use your new logo at least until you find another permanent one. :-)

Just kidding. Use whatever you want. ict is solid.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/jaybates-gallery-of-college-basketball-paintograph/2012/feb/9/an-avatar-for-rehawk/#c1955151

jhawk613 2 years, 9 months ago

The McDonald's AA nomination/selection is a such a scam.

5-Stars Shabazz, Anderson, Austin, Purvis, Bennett, Dunn, A. Goodwin, Ashley, Smart, Ferrell, Poythress, Ridley, Warren, Ellis, Harris

5-star not selected (rivals rankings)

3 McGary, #4 Adams, #8 Ledo, #9 Pollard, #11 Stokes, #15 House, #16 Perea, #18 Dekker, #20 Tarczewski, #22 Smith-Rivera

mhis is how understand the McD AA system works from my sister's high school coach who went through the McD AA process once and said he'd never do it again. A player can't be on the McD AA team unless he/she is nominated by their high school coaches. Players don't have to meet any criteria to be nominated. Theoretically a coach could nominate his/her entire team.

Also, you run into college coaches that request the high school coach to nominate their recruit for a McD AA. Then, even if that recruit doesn't get selected, they can publicize on their website, in their program, wherever they want that they have a McD AA Nominee signed to play for them.

Most of the players that get selected have talent, but a player could be not selected simply because his coach didn't fill out the paperwork.

DRsmith 2 years, 9 months ago

Ledo, Tarc, and McGary are not eligible. 5th year seniors cannot play in this game. Stokes is already playing for UT that takes him out. Not sure about the others you have listed there.

justanotherfan 2 years, 9 months ago

In addition to what DRsmith said, players are limited in the amount of all star games that they can participate in. I believe it is limited to two games per player between the end of the season and the end of the school year. For some of these guys, that means they can play in the McD game and a local game. Other guys choose the Jordan Classic. Others choose the Nike Hoop Summit. Because of the 2 game limit, some guys have to pass up a national game if they want to play in a local game in front of their friends and family.

Tony Bandle 2 years, 9 months ago

I became a Jayhawk when I started school in 1966. [probably before many of you were even born].

The most interesting aspects of our Kansas basketball culture to me are as follows:

1] There is no middle ground....you are either 100% into the Jayhawks or you don't even belong on the Allen Fieldhouse parking lot.

2] As overwhelming as the total legacy of our program is [the founder of the game as the first coach, more games played than anyone, more years played than anyone, the founder of modern coaching, the Kansas Family Tree, Allen Fieldhouse etc., etc.,], we always have the distinct impression that Kansas is never fully appreciated by the rest of the nation or most of the media.

3] Once a Jayhawk, forever your blood runs Crimson and Blue, and no school in the country has more solid historical background to hate a rival than Kansas hates Missouri.

4] We cherish each team playing in the present but become totally involved with teams that have yet to be. I have worked out almost complete rosters [assuming no early defections] for 2012/13 and 2013/14 and feel like I know the players already.

5] Things that take precedent over a Jayhawk game against Missouri............... [OK, not counting your wedding and the birth of your child - you know, if you time the wedding start correctly and induce labor just right...uh??????]

6] Feel compelled to expect the best from each player and not hesitate to let them have it when they don't produce but if some outsider goes after one of ours, he better be prepared to take on the whole of Kansas Nation.

7] We will always be family..there are relatively few former Jayhawks and coming back to Allen always feels like coming home.

Congratulations and welcome to Kansas, Perry, although you always knew it would be home, didn't you!!!

Andy Tweedy 2 years, 9 months ago

A buddy of mine from high school (here in Omaha) went to KU with me, but still does the "I'm a Husker fan during football season garbage!" At the beginning of the 2007 KU-NU game, he had an NU shirt on. I told him he wasn't riding back to Omaha with me. He actually went to the Union and bought another KU shirt to wear back. I'm with you on #1.

jaybate 2 years, 9 months ago

The Seven Commandments.

What? Have you just gotten back from a mountain top with some scorched rocks.

Rock Chalk!

Mike Kendall 2 years, 9 months ago

Oakville-----

I am totally #1 on your list. Can't stand it when I hear--- "Oh, I am a K-State fan during football season and a KU fan during basketball season."

Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spare me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone else relate?????????????

Masonhawk06 2 years, 9 months ago

Congratulations on this well deserved honor Perry.

I can't wait to see him suit up for the Hawks, and I particularly can't wait to watch him go up against another talented incoming big man in Isaiah Austin.

Of course we know who will get the better coaching of the two players, and Self will once again put Scott Drew in a clown suit.

REHawk 2 years, 9 months ago

I don't know how enthusiastically our coaching staff went after I. Austin, but I do know that the kid chose a program where he could coast on natural talent without undergoing daily improvement and extension of his full hoops package. Parents of most potential NBA athletes, esp. those over 6'8", have cost their supertalented sons millions of future dollars by sending them to programs possessing much weaker big man coaches than the man managing that portion of the show at KU. Andrea Hudy and Dan Manning combine to produce the absolute max for big man development.

REHawk 2 years, 9 months ago

+1 Oakville, on your 7 figure list.

REHawk 2 years, 9 months ago

didjabuti, your post is one of our best ever: " I could explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you." (Sorry to have mangled it a bit in my post of another article today.) Love it!

brooksmd 2 years, 9 months ago

How can this be? According to some doom and gloomers on here HCBS can't recruit anymore, let alone get a Micky-D AA. What I would like to know is, how can a recruit look at what HCBS has done in what is supposed to be a down year and not see the possibilities? And with the bigs that HCBS, DMan and Hudy produce I would think quality big kids would be lined up at the door, down on their knees, pleading for a scholarship. But what do I know?

Congrats Perry and looking forward to watching you next year.

REHawk 2 years, 9 months ago

brooksmd, though we don't have topnotch 6'11"+ recruits entering the program next season, Self and Co. have recruited some mighty solid promising forwards. But, yeah, your point is well made. What a place and situation for big man development, the Jayhawk hoops program. If my tall son or grandson were 4 or 5 star players looking for the best of all possible programs for development, Kansas would be #1 on my list for consideration. Not enough can be said about the triumverate of Self, Manning, Hudy...and the grand tradition which emcompasses Jayhawk basketball.

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