Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Big battle, part 2: Baylor, Kansas frontcourts prep for rematch, revenge

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson wrestles for position with Baylor forward Perry Jones III during the first half on Monday, Jan. 16, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson wrestles for position with Baylor forward Perry Jones III during the first half on Monday, Jan. 16, 2012 at Allen Fieldhouse.


— A certain top-five pick in the 2011 NBA Draft, Perry Jones III elected to return to Baylor University for his sophomore season.

His main reason? The desire to remain a carefree, 19-year-old kid at a place he loves.

“It’s a good Christian school. The people on campus ... everybody is always speaking to you, saying hi. It’s just a nice atmosphere,” the 6-foot-11, 235-pound Duncanville, Texas native told the Journal-World during the preseason.

“I’m striving to be one of the best big men in the country.”

Jones — he scored 18 points and grabbed five rebounds in the sixth-ranked Bears’ 92-74 loss to No. 7 Kansas on Jan. 16 in Allen Fieldhouse — takes a 14.8 scoring, 7.9 rebound average into today’s 6 p.m. showdown against KU in Ferrell Center. He averaged 13.9 points and 7.2 rebounds per contest his freshman campaign.

“I wasn’t ready to be on my own,” Jones told “I’m not ready to move onto that next level yet and to have that lifestyle. I’m 19. I know I could be a top-five pick. I know I could make a lot of money.

“There were a lot of people that were pressuring me, saying that I was making a mistake because I was going to go in the top five,” Jones added. “A lot of it was on Twitter, a lot of people I didn’t know. If people didn’t go to Baylor, they weren’t happy for me.”

Jones, who is eighth in the Big 12 in scoring during conference play (15.9 ppg) has had a double-double in three of his past four contests (versus Oklahoma State, Texas A&M;, Texas, Oklahoma). He has 74 points and 42 rebounds during that span and has shot 50 percent or better in eight of his last nine games.

He leads a star-studded Baylor team (21-2, 8-2) that is tied for second place in the Big 12 with KU (18-5, 8-2), right behind Missouri (22-2, 9-2).

Guard Pierre Jackson (12.7 ppg) and forwards Quincy Acy (12.4 ppg) and Quincy Miller (12.4 ppg) are double-digit scorers with guard Brady Heslip right behind at 9.6 ppg.

“I think everybody talks about their athletic ability and length and rightfully so,” said KU coach Bill Self. “They are unselfish and share the ball. Their team is so hard to guard because there’s balance.

“The key to me will be rebounding. We rebounded the ball so well against them the first time,” added Self. The Jayhawks, paced by Thomas Robinson’s 14 boards and Jeff Withey’s 10, won the board battle, 39-24. “They are playing better, fast on the perimeter and of course they’ve got so much length inside. It should be another great atmosphere, one we’ve got to let Saturday (loss at Missouri) go and focus in on Wednesday. We can’t let one (loss) become two. Now it’s time to become mad and try to take it out on a very good team Wednesday.”

The thing is ... Baylor also figures to enter today’s game “mad” at the Jayhawks.

KU handed BU its first loss of the season.

“The last time we played, they really took it to us. They definitely played well, and we’d have liked to play better,” said Baylor coach Scott Drew. He is 1-9 versus KU; Self 9-1 at KU (9-2 overall) versus BU.

“That’s the great thing. The home court in the Big 12 does give you a big advantage,” Drew added “We’ve got to do a better job of trying to minimize their runs. We didn’t answer the bell in that one as we did in 17 games previous to that.”

Tyshawn Taylor had 28 points off 10-of-14 shooting (4-6 threes), while Thomas Robinson had 27 points off 11-18 shooting with 14 rebounds in the first meeting. Jones had 18, Miller 17, Acy 14 and Pierre Jackson 11.

“I think at the end of the day, everybody faces the same thing. No matter what you do, he’ll get his. He’s probably been player of the year thus far,” Drew said of Robinson. “The question is ... can you limit him to where he does not have a career night and other guys do not have career nights as well?”

Robinson says he’s motivated to avoid the agony of defeat for a second straight game. KU has gone 227 games without consecutive losses, which is the longest active streak in NCAA Division I. KU’s last two straight losses were Jan. 14 vs. Kansas State (59-57 in Allen Fieldhouse) and Jan. 16 at Missouri (89-86 overtime in Mizzou Arena) during the 2005-06 season.

“It’s just a feeling of not wanting to lose again. You still have that bad taste from the last game, so going into the game after that you want to get that taste out of your mouth,” Robinson said. “You do not want to have a longer feeling of revenge.”

Noted Taylor: “I don’t think we like the feeling of losing. We always come in with a good attitude and we try to get better and learn from our mistakes that we made in the previous game.”

Withey a key: KU center Jeff Withey had 10 points, 10 rebounds, three blocks and three steals in the first meeting vs. Baylor. Playing against much smaller players, he didn’t score and had four boards versus Mizzou.

“When I was trying to post them up they were quicker to get in front of me, and they were always attacking my knees. It is definitely harder for a big man to guard a little guy,” Withey said, referring to the Missouri game. “You can usually use a swim move on a forward but when boxing out a guard they are at your knees, and you don’t expect it and it kind of takes your legs out from under you.”

He’ll try to be assertive against Jones and Baylor’s other big men.

“I think that I can help out offensively. Not scoring any points and being out on the floor for 20 minutes is not very good for me,” he said. “If I can be more of a threat, that helps out everybody on the floor. I definitely want to be able to score, that way it relieves pressure on the other guys. I like playing against guys my size a lot more than playing against a bunch of guards. But it is still going to be a tough game, and we are getting ready for that.”

Retro jerseys Saturday: The Jayhawks will be wearing 1952 retro jerseys during Saturday’s game against Oklahoma State (3 p.m., Allen Fieldhouse) in celebration of the 60th anniversary of the 1952 NCAA title season. The jerseys will soon be available for purchase at


KU_Alumn_2000 9 years, 2 months ago

KU Basketball team: Remember that feeling of losing in Columbia the other night. Don't let go of that until we destroy the rest of our Big 12 schedule.

Stay pissed, focused, determined, and have the mind set of no mercy. No high fives, no body jumps with your teammates, no celebrating after a dunk...just focus on performing the task at hand with passion !

We have a mission to complete and thats to win the Big 12 out right. If Mizcrap wins the conference or shares's going to suck.

They need kicked out of this conference with no Big 12 championships in any major sports.

Steven Mathew 9 years, 2 months ago

If only one of our players had the mindset of Tebow in his college days...

Mick Allen 9 years, 2 months ago

Get real. Do we need to play Onward Christian Soldiers before the game?

Steve Gantz 9 years, 2 months ago

Why are you assuming he's talking about his Christianity? I don't think he was at all. He's just hoping for people to show that drive to win that Tebow had. That being said, I think we've got guys with that same competitive desire.

bad_dog 9 years, 2 months ago

Not too much to assume there, IMHO. Christianity is at the very least, the most displayed aspect of Tebow's "mindset". Tebow himself attributes everything to his Christianity. That's why all you see of him is anti-abortion Super Bowl ads, John 3:16 written on his eye black, "Tebowing" after big plays or games, singing hyms or kneeling/praying on the sidelines, statements that he'll remain a virgin until his wedding night, etc., etc., ad nauseaum. I don't want to know any more about the Christianity aspects of Tebow's life than what he had for dinner or whether he has an ingrown toenail.

One can have the greatest competitve desire in the world without feeling compelled to foist the perceived basis for it off on the rest of the public. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with Tebow, per se. He is a great competitor and I wish him all the success he can achieve in life. I just wish we could avoid the incessant inundation of this aspect of his life. It's not all Tebow's fault-the media certainly took the story and ran with it. In my experience though, some of the greatest self-proclaimed Christians are often the biggest hypocrites. Not all, but too many to ignore the possibility.

Aaron Rosenthal 9 years, 2 months ago

I love this KU team. But this comment, and others like it, seems so biased and unrealistic that it bothers me. This is not 2008, 2010 or 2011 where KU's talent level and depth are such that a mentally focused effort almost guarantees a win.

Baylor is full of future NBA players, playing at home and seeking revenge. KU could play very well tonight and lose. I certainly don't want to see that, but it's a fact.

I just want to advocate for people looking at things from another team's point-of-view at times. Even when KU has had objectively superior talent, they don't get to dictate everything. And this year that talent superiority is simply not there. Again, I love how this KU team plays. But to act like they determine outcomes with their mindset is delusional and disrespectful of the opponents.

KU_Alumn_2000 9 years, 2 months ago

Rosentag - get real. This team HAS the talent to beat anyone in the country.

We don't have very good depth...I'll give you that. But our starting five is extremely talented. The problem is...Relaford and EJ have failed to break out of the bench playing shell. Those two dudes are wicked athletic and can ball...but for some reason it hasn't come to fruition on the court.

This team is fully capable of running the table from here on out if they would get their mind set right on being 100% focused.

hotrodm 9 years, 2 months ago

KU is in great shape to win the conference outright starting tonight. Knock off Baylor tonight, and MIZZOO on the 25th. Win the rest of your games and Kansas is Big 12 champs outright. The championship stretch starts tonight. Go Jayhawks.

Chris Bruning 9 years, 2 months ago

We still have to go to Manhattan next week also, that's not always a gimme, simply because its their championship of the year game..

Eric Williams 9 years, 2 months ago

@ISU was a trap game. @OkieSt could be a trap game.

KSU, Baylor (this year), Texas, and MU are never trap games. Anytime you play a rival you're going to bring the energy and effort.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 2 months ago

Most important game of the season.

Let's do this.

They're '19 year old boys.'

You are men.

Dominate them.

Punch 'em in da mouf.

Pity no fool.

Rockem Chalkem Sockem

9 years, 2 months ago

Not to look back as we look forward to tonight's game at Baylor, but based on Withey's comments it doesn't seem that the coaches had a small guarding and boxing out Withey in practice leading up to the Mizzou game. If so, that one oversight was a significant one.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 2 months ago

You caught that, too. I have to admit, it was a bit out of the box, but credit to Frank Haith for that strategy. It worked, and caused us to adjust to MU for a good portion of the game, and not the other way around.

However, I would expect Mr. Withey to understand the basics of controlling a smaller defender in the post.

One strategy is backing the defender (that's the term I have used/heard), or making sure your back is to the defender's back. So as the defender fronts, you rotate 180 ... height advantage permits easier entry over the top; puts in excellent position on ball reversal. If the defender is on your hip, you can set to his hip. It just seemed that Withey would come many times and hold up his hand. Not rocket science stuff.

Of course, one of Withey's weak points has been establishing post position. He had been doing a much better job until the MU game. I sure hope Self insists on his involvement the next go around.

Sam Constance 9 years, 2 months ago

It didn't help that Withey was being blanketed by English. If a player closer to Jeff's height had been doing that, it would have been a foul every time down the court.

That being said, Withey should be able to take advantage of a smaller defender no matter how much help he's getting from the refs.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 2 months ago

ESPN Insider has Baylor by a point.

I'm going....

80-76 Kansas

LAJayhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Vegas has Baylor favored by 1.5. The general line of thinking is that a home court advantage usually adds about 3 points-ish, so, neutrally, KU would be favored.... if that makes any sense...

Timmay97 9 years, 2 months ago

This article might be old for some of you, but I really like Seth Davis' comments here. Between him and Jay Bilas, they make the most sense in their critique of college basketball.

Personally, I hate payback games (which is exactly what we will have against MIssouri). Baylor is going to come out like gangbusters tonight. If we can hang with them for the first 10 minutes, I think we will prevail. After last game, we DEFINITELY need to learn how to close out games.

Good luck tonight fellas!

nb4ku 9 years, 2 months ago

“When I was trying to post them up they were quicker to get in front of me, and they were always attacking my knees."

Did this make anyone else laugh?

justinryman 9 years, 2 months ago

I laugh at all this talk about how god Baylor's bigs are. They are good, they are not great. They are soft, they want to make highlights on Sportscenter, but they don't want to work hard for it.

Baylor is an older poor mans version of Kentucky this year. They both run an AAU style offense. Their coaches have questionable morals and recruiting strategies.

rick cowley 9 years, 2 months ago

ACY is not soft. But the rest shy away from contact.

rick cowley 9 years, 2 months ago

ACY is not soft. But the rest shy away from contact.

Steve Stucky 9 years, 2 months ago

We'll be fine if we, and here it comes, Defend the Three - Make Freethrows.

9 years, 2 months ago

Here’s a link to another write-up for tonight’s game. Some good pics from the Jan. 16 game against Baylor at our place, particularly pic #4 showing one of TRob’s vicious dunks.

bhol 9 years, 2 months ago

"striving to be one of the best big men in the country"? Shoulda come to Kansas. Manning would've made that happen.

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

"What Happened to Jeff vs. MU, or Sherbate Holmes and the Mystery of the Missing Footer"

Jeff Withey says it was tough to play MU's short guys. Statements like his always make me go to ground and recall when I used to play. What did playing against kids a foot, or 6 inches shorter than me feel like?

Whether on a playground or in organized ball, I loved it. I loved being way taller than my defender. I took everyone of them to the rim and scored. I shot over them effortlessly. I backed into them. I broke to the rim for passes over them. I felt ten feet tall. I got most rebounds against such players. On defense, I blocked, or altered half their shots. It was much less work and a lot more fun.

Of course the guys I was playing against could not drain treys from 28 feet 38% of the time. :-)

Still: Jeff's statement does not ring true with my experience. He describes them attacking his knees. What I recall about defending a guy a foot shorter than me was that I could knee him. Conversely, guys a foot taller than me often had their way with me, unless we got in transition and I could run away with them and soar up against them on the dead run. When I defended tall guys, they were backing into me, taking me to the rim, and feathering short jumpers again and again. And trying to score on someone a foot taller often felt demoralizing, even hopeless, unless I ran waaaaay outside and shot quick.

What gives here?

From the point of view of my increasingly sepia-toned experience, what was really going on with Jeff Withey against MU?

I saw him have serious cotton mouth early in the game.

I saw him look pale through out.

I saw him look slightly skinnier than he had 3 days previously in Ames.

I saw him get not one glassvac against dwarves.

I saw him get not one lob, or alley oop jam, even lay-up against dwarves.

No blocks.

I saw him not get one stick back against dwarves.

I saw him shoot not one sky hook against dwarves.

And I saw a ton of smoke in the building early on.

Let me play Dr. Watson and Sherbate Holmes here.

dylans 9 years, 2 months ago

You are talking about the difference between guard skills and post skills not height. That is what is wrong with your comparison. I'd always go with the taller guard.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 2 months ago

Unfortunately, I will be at the All American Rejects concert in Wichita. I am crossing my fingers when KU hopefully wins tonight. Speaking of Rejects, I hope Withey and Robinson has a bunch of Rejects. As far as the highlights are concerned, it will be "a dirty little secret" until I get home and see them. And as the other song goes, I hope the Jayhawks "gives 'em hell" tonight! Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

jacqueshock 9 years, 2 months ago

KU should try to make a video to show during pre-game that use clips from this movie. Import images from KU past.

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

Part 2

Watson: Well, you see, Holmes, an allergic reaction to the smoke could trigger the other phenomena in Master Withey's lackluster performance. He gets the same signs of allergic reaction he had a season ago reportedly to paint that night against MU, when the smoke was released during introductions. Oh, the colonists make such a big to-do out of introductions. (clears throat) Any, Master Withey soon reacts to the smoke breathed in by him. He tells his coach, Mr. William Self, and his tall man coach, Mr. Daniel Manning, what is going on. Mr. Self makes an on the spot decision to play mostly through the Kansas player the fans call TRob, and around the perimeter for the first half of competition, and to get what little can be gotten out of Master Withey by having him decoy and screen a ton for this TRob fellow. Master Withey, his friends call him Jeff, is told to defend till he runs out of petrol, so to speak, and then William Self starts using the players the fans call KY and Justin the rest of the half. The team trainer gets him some medicine somehow to relieve the inflammation, maybe just some anti-inflams the team keelson hand for tendon and ligament problems, before the first half ends. In the mean time, Holmes, what they call a graduate assistant is sent pall mall to the nearest hypothecary to get the actual allergy medicine young Jeff took for his paint allergy.

Sherbate: Interesting, Watson, but how did the hypothecary get a prescription for young Jeff? It is my understanding, my dear Watson, that American physicians tend to close their clinics and primary care offices at around 5pm on weekdays and do not work weekends, except on call, during which time a patient with any kind of serious pathology is directed to go immediately to the nearest emergency room in a hospital. I was just reading about this recently in the New England Journal of Medicine, just some casual reading, Watson.

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

Part 3

Watson: Elementary, as you would say, Holmes. The man they call Coach Self an assistant coach call the team physician on vacation in Barbados by cell phone, explains the dire circumstances, the team physician googles the nearest hypothecary in this backwoods burg of Columbia, MO and phones it in. It is therefore ready to be picked up by the graduate assistant ASAP, who then races it back to the locker room. Most likely a taxi cab was used for transportation. By half time they get young Jeff some real medicine. It takes awhile to work, but he never really comes back strong--too dehydrated, you know. Coach Self tries young Jeff and young Jeff simply hasn't got it. So Coach Self goes small with Conner. They break out into transition and melt the lead, as some American basketball fans say it. Coach Self finally figures out what is called in American basketball, an isolation play for the player they call TRob down low and he does enough scoring, that MU has to adjust defensively; this in turn shakes the player they call Tyshawn loose for a few quick baskets and boom! KU is up by 8. I believe that fairly well explains it all, Holmes, don't you?

Sherbate: Ah, my dear Watson, a very, very, very perspicacious effort on your part...but for one crucial bit of evidence that you seem to have overlooked.

Watson: (indignantly) Such as, Holmes. I can't think of a thing I have overlooked.

Sherbate: Master Withey weight loss noticeable from tip off. I can assure you, Watson, I have studied the game replays available on the American's sports equivalent of the BBC.

Watson: That would be ESPN, correct?

Sherbate: None other, Watson. Biased thought they reputedly are by fans of the University of Kansas Jayhawks, and notice that I have called the university by its legally correct name, out of respect for that fine institution attempting to civilize at least a thimble of the barbarism from the colonists. But back to the point. Master Withey could not possibly have lost a substantial amount of weight and muscle mass from his upper body between the time the smoke was released by the gutter trash that runs MU and the time of tip off, as the colonists call the start of a basketball game, based on child's game called "toad on a rock."

Watson: (shaking his head) It seems, Holmes, that you have once again dunked in my grille as American basketball fans some times say.

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

Part 4

Holmes: (smiling arrogantly) Be that as it may, Watson, the point is the evidence points to Master Withey perhaps battling a significant medical pathology once again.

Watson: Oh, my, goodness. I suppose it does make sense, Holmes. Coach Self does reputedly have a history of concealing certain physical maladies of his players, so as to keep his opponents in the dark about exactly what players they will need to prepare for and focus on defending and offending upon.

Sherbate: Precisely, Watson. Precisely. This Coach Self is a most wily and cunning human being, despite his fractured syntax and his orthodox middle class, middle western appearance. The man wins an astonishing 84% of his games and is highly ranked in this year, and in hunt for a conference title, during a season in which many thought he would be lucky to come in third in the conference.

Watson: All well and good, Holmes, but what is your point?

Sherbate: My point is, Watson, that after all is said, and done, the man is somewhat the virtuous obverse of our most infamous and devious opponent.

Watson: You don't mean Moriarity, Holmes?

Sherbate: None other, Watson. The world is most fortunate that Coach Self chose a virtuous profession and to help young men matriculate school and a game, rather than use his double edged skills to do evil. Or we might be facing...well, perish the thought for it is a counter factual imagining.

Watson: Chilling, Holmes, just chilling to even think about Coach Self in a dark pursuit. The world would so miss his sterling qualities.

Sherbate: Watson, we can speculate until the Hound of the Baskervilles barks, which by definition it never will, of course, for to do so would utterly spoil our author's greatest novel about our exploits, but until we see Master Withey take the floor against this Johnny Come Lately basketball team called the Baylor Bears tonight, well, we just cannot close the file on this case.

Watson: I concur, Holmes, it is even possible that Master Withey truly does have a mental block about playing players that even you or I could...

Sherbate: Dunk on, my dear Watson?

Watson: Oh, good show, Holmes, good show. I knew that you would catch on with this American basketball slang. Though the colonists are struggling a bit with their ill-advised venture into empire management since 1898, they still have the sap running up their trunks in many things.

Watson: Truer words ne'er spoke, my dear and kind friend. Truer words ne'er spoke.

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

We can hope it was the flu and he recovers quickly.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 2 months ago

I love the iconic Jayhawk mascot. He's cute, funny and clever but, come on. If team mascots came alive, he would be eaten by a tiger, clawed by a wildcat, shot by a cowboy, planted by an aggie, gored by a longhorn, burned by a raider, blown away by a cyclone, mangled by a bear, run over by a sooner and, next year, covered with warts by a horned frog and climbed by a mountaineer.

Therefore, I propose the addition of a Tyrannosaurus Rex named JayRex. Since the dinosaur is truly the ancestor of present day birds, it would be a natural fit. We could put two set of ferociously sharp teeth on the football helmet, similar to the Flying Tigers of World War II. Allen would become Classic Jurassic. We could stomp the yard...literally!!

I can just picture the Jayhawk defiantly standing in front of an opponent with a full size TRex standing behind him roaring at about 130 decibals. All Jayhawk sports teams would take on the personna of this mascot

We could send the Blue Devils back to hell, squeeze the Orangemen, tame every Widcat in the land, destripe the Tigers and, generally, dominate every sport for the next century!!!!!!

The collegiate sports world would be ours!!! AAHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Need to add about 55 million more years, just sayin'.... ;)

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

The Kansas Basketball season is now over. KU will suffer a minimum of six more losses prior to March Madness. Kansas will NOT receive an at large bid to the tournement and will play in the NIT.

With the end of the season.....Kansas will lose Tyshawn Taylor,Thmoas Robinson and Jeff Withey. The program will be average at best for years to come.

The season is over.

9 years, 2 months ago

MethseweryWorst ~ what changed in the last three days? You seemed so upbeat about our team in your second to last post Monday night:

“It was a great game between two great teams.....all you could ask for. I will probably be back in a few weeks.....but I think KU wins in Lawrence.

Hopefully.....KU and MU will play in the Big12 final......or maybe even the national title? Wouldn't that be something?”

Bipolar much?

9 years, 2 months ago

Sunday night, not Monday night :^)

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

I still think KU beats MU......Ku will lose today at A& KSU and home vs TX.....KU will lose first game of Big 12. It's over.

nb4ku 9 years, 2 months ago

Thanks for providing this info. I don't have to waste my time watching these games. My remote also thanks you, as it took a beating after the last loss.

Sam Constance 9 years, 2 months ago

In spite of the prevailing opinion in Columbia, the basketball season does NOT, in fact, end after the KU/MU game.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Just FYI, Withey is a junior, so unless William Quantrill rides into town and burns him down, he will be playing for KU next season.

Dave Cook 9 years, 2 months ago

Doesn't MU lose like 4 or 5 seniors this year? haha Haith will be exposed big time next year...

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

"On the Baylor Game Tonight"

Part 1

While good teams tend to bounce back and play well, this will be a very tough outing for the Hawks.

KU got a career performance out of Tyshawn and a big time performance out of TRob, and a very well rounded game out of Jeff.

Jeff seems to be battling some health problems.

TRob, while he seems better that Baylor's big, cannot win this game by himself.

Tyshawn is playing so well that he could very well have a 20 point night, but it is unlikely that he is going to go 10-14 overall and 4-6 from trey again so soon.

So who can help pick up the slack, if TT has a merely good game, TRob has a merely good game, and Jeff is battling some pathogen that limits him again?

The choices are Elijah and Travis.

Since Travis still has a wheel at least out of alignment, and has to be Top Gun, Elijah seems likely to get the call.

I look for a very ugly, grind it out game tonight, but my crystal ball has been less clear about what would happen than about (at least IMHO) what should happen of late.

Self signaled that he was very pleased with how Justin Wesley played vs. MU, so I suspect that Justin, given Jeff's apparent weakened health, is apt to see about as many minutes as his fouling permits.

This in turn means Self is going to play through TRob inside a lot.

It is also about time for KY to have another decent game. He seems to struggle two and play well one.

Naadir seeing minutes against a point guard that Self calls one of the best in the league seems unlikely.

jaybate 9 years, 2 months ago

"On the Baylor Game Tonight"

Part 2

Bottom line, Elijah almost has to break out in this game, or Jeff has to feel a lot better in a hurry, or this is going to be a very tough game to win, because of lack of scoring, lack of preparation time, and so probably lack of any surprise wrinkles against a very long team on the road.

Can't bring myself to predict a loss, because I still think KU is the better team, but the player that I believe holds the key to a road win, Elijah, is still sputtering badly on offense.

We must say our prayers for the basketball gods to end Elijah's slump tonight.

Self said it was going to get hard, and it is surely going to get harder tonight, win, or lose.

But getting a win tonight, would put KU in a fabulous position to win the conference.

It has more tough road games after this one, but against teams it could afford to lose a game or two, to if it were to beat Baylor tonight. KU could then can take MU in AFH and make it 8 titles, or a tie for 8.

But this is still The Canal. It is still getting harder, not easier. The reserves are thinning. The battle hardened vets are nicked up. Our footer is not strong right now.

A loss to Baylor would put this team with its back to a sand bar and a river on a remote part of The Canal, where hand to hand combat against an opponent or two that has slogged a long way through a jungle of previous competition is the only way to save the campaign.

Now is when it really gets gripping.

Rock Chalk!

KansasComet 9 years, 2 months ago

Not expecting much from Teahan, our sixth man?

REHawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Naw, Oakville, the power is in the beak! The elusive speed and beak.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Kansas will get blown out tonight.......huge letdown after losing to MU. Baylor is jacked for this game and will expose KU.....The season is over.

justinryman 9 years, 2 months ago

So strait up or are you giving me blown out points? 20 or more?

I know you know what that feels like on a regular basis. Having one good season in the past, oh I don't know how many doesn't give you the credit that programs that do it year in and year out deserve.

So what are we betting on this game?

justinryman 9 years, 2 months ago

Sorry won't bet meth or moonshine as I don't have a need for either. And I like my teeth, oh teeth, it's the plural form of tooth. More than one.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 2 months ago

By the way, MizzouBest---

Did U shake hands with one of the officials after the game, too---I think his name was Daily?

JayHok 9 years, 2 months ago

Can't believe MU fans. Someone posted a link to that Jason King ESPN article yesterday. MU is all over the comment section talking sh!t on KU. At least we know they feel guilty-happy in a Don Daily kind of way.

REHawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Midmorning betting line is Baylor by 1.5 to 2 pts. Do we yet know who will ref this game? I didn't yet read a clear explanation as to the assignment of refs for Big 12 games. Do opponents have a say, or is the assignment cut and dried by the league office?

Tony Bandle 9 years, 2 months ago


1] It's Thomas not Thmoas 2] Jeff Withey is only a junior and, obviously, will be back. 3] Just a small hint on posting with sarcasm..always leave a little room for the truth to validate the possibility that your statement is true. 4] Always finish your sentences..." ..lost the first game of the Big 12 "Tournanment".

Of course, since you are moving to the SEC, your postings listed above will qualify you for a Doctorate Thesis in Literature. Congratulations!!

Brak 9 years, 2 months ago

Great post Oakville, but using facts and logic will just confuse any Mizzou fan. It's a good thing for the slavers that the only requirement for joining the SEC was being able to spell "SEC" and they were able to get it right on the 3rd try.

9 years, 2 months ago

Nice accomplishment for The Truth, especially given the long history and rich tradition of the Celtics! He is certainly one of the most successful Jayhawks ever in the NBA.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 2 months ago

Nice hetero... Of all the players of the Williams Era, if you'd ask me to rate the chances of becoming a pro hall of famer, I'm not sure Pierce's name would have topped the list. He's had a terrific career, bounced back from the stabbing, been a steady force, won a championship, been a remarkable run for Paul.

Andrew Washington 9 years, 2 months ago

Anyone know a good place in Wichita to watch the game?

Kye Clark 9 years, 2 months ago

I like Larry Buds. Side Pockets is good too.

justinryman 9 years, 2 months ago

Yeah the only thing that mu has been consistent at over the past 7 years is mediocrity.

justinryman 9 years, 2 months ago

Why am I loser?

Figured all us KU fans were on the same side.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Look! KU fans fighting!!! My diabolical plan is working!!!! Actually 'LongtimeHawk'.....justinryman is pretty much right. Hate to say it.

Sam Constance 9 years, 2 months ago

Sorry to burst your bubble, but "longtimehawk" is merely the owner of the most ironic handle on the entire message board.

Translation: he's not a KU fan

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

'Longtimehawk' is a a loyal KU fan. He has been on this board longer than marchphog88.

Sam Constance 9 years, 2 months ago

Yes, because nothing says "loyal KU fan" quite like being vouched for by a troll who styles himself a Missouri fan.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 2 months ago

LOL! He/She is a troll justin! Roll with it and have fun with it!

justinryman 9 years, 2 months ago

Yeah I saw that after I posted, went and read their past post. Must be a rough life to hang out here all day and bash KU.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

If true then 'longtimehawk' should just sayb he is an MU fan. We have nothing to hide!

9 years, 2 months ago

A cursory inspection of longtimehawk’s prior postings would lead one to believe he/she is an MU fan trapped in a bitter KU fan’s body. Tragic indeed.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

What a hideous creature!! Something like one of those creatures our of the 'Odyssey'....half man/half beast!!!

Phoghorn 9 years, 2 months ago

The biggest difference between MizzouBest and longtimehawk is MB has the cajones to admit that he is a MU fan.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

I agree. If 'longtimehawk' really is an MU fan....I reject him and disavow any allegiance to him. I do not endorse his actions.

joshar 9 years, 2 months ago

What do you mean KU's recruiting has fallen off the map? They are number 12 in the nation for next season according to multiple sites:

Number 10 here:

Plus Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor, who are getting experience with practices and watching the games with the team.

A little premature but they are number 2 on this list for 2013:

Also, on Bleacher Report, the Top 20 Schools Kids Just Want to Play for:

Where is Missouri on these lists?

HawkKlaw 9 years, 2 months ago

I know what you mean. It's sad, the program has slipped all the way down to National Champion status with Self as coach. The shame!

JayHok 9 years, 2 months ago

Come on Tiger. Let's be truthful and mention Haith inherited 9 of Anderson's seniors. Yea he has them running a few sets, isolation drop offs mainly. Mostly those MU seniors are running Haith's team themselves. And shoot the 3's. This is a team that reminds me of a shorter, less good, slightly less athletic version of Bruce Weber' first Illinois team, precisely because they are given a type of offensive freedom only because they weren't his the first three years. But what will happen next year when Haith has to actually coach? Or later in the year when teams learn to keep Ratliffe pushed out of the key.

Any news lately on Haith's connections to the Miami pay for play scheme. Did that story just go away because Haith changed schools.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 2 months ago

As a KU guy, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I love this dude miserycat! After carefully imagining punctuation and diligently overlooking the misrepresentation of facts, I love the good natured ribbing. I'd go so far as to say this miserycat is actually playing nicer than many of my KU witnessed by the name calling above!!! Keep it coming.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 2 months ago

The one thing that has struck me about Baylor is how poor they are on defensive. I mean really bad. Flashes. But as a team, bad.

Hot shooting can overcome bad defense.

But against a good team, it is certainly a more difficult task.

History says we win.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Wishful thinking.....I thave a feeling you are not going to like the game tonight.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

What's that sound??????? Wait for it!!!! Wait for it!!!!!!!


The Kansas Basketball program crashing!!!!!!!

kansas will never be good again. All the elite players are going to east coast teams.

It's over!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Really....what's the point of discussing either KU,MU or anyone else? Kentucky is in a league of their own and could probably even play in the NBA.

UK has already won the NC this year.

Over . Done.

sleepy33 9 years, 2 months ago

You're right, we should all just sit around and watch Kentucky play with themselves. Nobody else is worthy.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 2 months ago

MizzouBest wants the truth so he/she shall receive "The Truth"! Kansas City, Kansas City here we come!

dynamitehawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Missouri Trolls: Is it uncomfortable when your mother turns tricks in your kid's bed? Does she tell stories of the glory days, when she financed production of farm animal porn for midgets? Is it a normal Saturday, when you shake and bake 8 grams of meth, fornicate with a prostitute without arms, eat some pig testicles, and spend the evening making arguments somehow Missouri is a southern state?

KU loses players to the lottery every year. Our roster has been decimated every year, and we reload. Let's just see how the 2nd best Frank in the Big 12 brings on talent, then we can discuss.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

February 4, 2012

Kansas 71 Missouri 74

bad_dog 9 years, 2 months ago

"Kansas 71 Missouri 74"

Interesting MizzouBust placed Kansas first on her "scoreboard". Must be an inadvertent Freudian acknowledgment kind of thing. "Yeah we one this one, but Kansas is still first."

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Possibly.....but isn't the home team score usually placed 2nd regardless of the outcome?

bad_dog 9 years, 2 months ago

s/b "won this one". Sheesh, sounds like a mizzou English major.

Sam Constance 9 years, 2 months ago

I'm not sure we can even call "MizzouBest" a Missouri troll.

Seems more like an equal opportunity troll who was clever enough to recognize that creating a profile with anything about Missouri in the handle would be most likely to get a response out of Jayhawk fans.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Interesting hypothesis indeed! But what could possibly be the motivation for one to act in that way? Attention? A need to instigate? But why? What need is fullfilled in this act?

I'm not saying your theory is wrong......but I just don't understand the motivation of doing that. Still.....this life seems full of the unkown....the nonsensical if you will.

Sam Constance 9 years, 2 months ago

I don't care whether the theory is right or wrong, nor do I care what the motivation might be.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Can we at least all agree that Kentucky is by far the best team in the country? They could beat some NBA teams. This March will not be exciting. Kentucky will have a cake-walk regardless of who they paly......cake-walk.

nb4ku 9 years, 2 months ago

Go to a Kensucky message board if you want to discuss the Wildcats.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

No....I dont want to discuss them. But they are by far the best and will have no trouble in March winning the NC. We're all just JV compared to them.....they are varsity. Maybe Duke could beat them??? Doubtful though

Sam Constance 9 years, 2 months ago

I suppose it's good to start showing fealty towards your new basketball overlords.

I sure am going to miss the MU/KU basketball rivalry. All the vitriol and intensity of a super-competitive rivalry with none of the ACTUAL competitiveness. Best of both worlds.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

All-time? Yes....I would agree that KU has the obvious advantage. But right now it is competitive rivalry. An honest assessment? I would say MU is the slightly better team due only to our shooting and free-throw shooting. But I predict MU loses at KU. The true test will come in Big 12 tourney if they play.

Spencer Goff 9 years, 2 months ago

Define "beat." No college team in the history of college athletics would ever place above last place in the NBA. Maybe an isolated game if played 100 times? Sure, it is basketball, after all. But a series, or on the average? Not now, not ever.

I know we like to joke about it, but come on, seriously. Charlotte and New Orleans are terrible teams, and they are both full of guys that owned the collegiate ranks. The NBA is just that damn loaded, plus you mix in the euro-talent, they would Rick-roll college teams.

The NBA makes Kemba Walker look slightly-over-average. Emeka Okafor is "another big guy on the floor."

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 2 months ago

Jayhawk fans, the two MU trolls on here are like the little brother who sticks his finger an inch from your face and says, "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!"

There's two ways to deal with this little brother. One, turn him over and spank him (which we can't do as fans--but wait until Feb. 25th) or two, ignore them. I say we ignore them. When this whole thing shakes out, they will either be vindicated, or they will avoid this site like the plague because they won't have a leg to stand on. My money is on the latter.

Let them yap if they want. Give them their fifteen minutes. This isn't a position they find themselves in very often and they must be awefully proud.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Agree and disagree with you......I don't really consider myself a troll.....more just an obnoxious fan of another team. I think of a troll as being someone pretending to be something they are not and then making provacative statements. for your theory of ignoring me regardless of my being a troll or not.....I would say yes....that is the best way to deal with me. If I dont get responses I will be less inclined to be bothersome.

Kye Clark 9 years, 2 months ago

Best cure for a case of the trolls? Win. KU gets by Baylor tonight, my guess is by 8 points.

How about our own version of the cram session: who is everybody's Hawk to Rock tonight? And if you pick TRob, you gotta give an alternate. For me it's TRob, then Releford.

nb4ku 9 years, 2 months ago

Withey. I think HCBS and Manning have been in his ear since Saturday. He comes out rocking with a jam to start the game. Finish with 16 pts, 12 boards and 4 blocks.

Kye Clark 9 years, 2 months ago

Withey got loose against them last time, could happen again! The block (which was erroneously called a foul) on PJ3 was poster-worthy!

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

icthawkfan316!! My dear fellow......always a loyal fan and supporter of your team!!

I think Baylor wins tonight.....being at home.One thing that could possibly be to KU's advantage is anger over letting Sat game get away from them. But if so.....they must be careful with that anger not be overly aggressive. If they can bottle it and use it.....KU wins.

Robinson will be bothered by Baylor's length. So I would say Taylor then Johnson.

In case you forgot.....MU beat Baylor in Waco.

Kye Clark 9 years, 2 months ago

Nope...I didn't forget. That was a good win for you guys. That road win put you guys in the driver's seat early on.

As for your prediction, I don't think it's playing angry and overly aggressive that we have to worry about. Quite frankly, it's energy. It's hard to get up as high as we were for the MU game two games in a row, especially two road games in a row. If we come out playing with intensity & focus, we got this one.

TRob generally isn't bothered by length. He wasn't in the first match-up. Double teams have given him trouble on occasion this year, but he's gotten better as he's gotten more used to it. Self seems to have no problem solving Drew's zone year after year. Tyshawn seems like a good pick. He certainly torched the Bears last time, maybe he plays with a chip on his shoulder as he isn't a finalist for the Cousy award yet Pierre Jackson is.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Taylor has been quite a surprise for KU it seems to me. When I have watched....I find myself wondering where this guy has been for 4 years. For KU....better late than never I suppose. ....Although I dont know much about him.....Johnson seems a bit of an enigma. Not sure how confident he is.....yet I have seen him play very well. But he seems hesitant. I cringed as he had an open shot at the end Sat night.....why didn't he shoot sooner??? I'm glad....I thought he was wide open at first.

Vernon Riggs 9 years, 2 months ago

I am going with TT. He will be hot tonight. 30 points? I will be there watching!

Kye Clark 9 years, 2 months ago

Now that's just cheating. I mean really, how could you not?

Kye Clark 9 years, 2 months ago

"Ku really hasn't beat anyone of quality this year at all, no one in the top 15."

Ohio State Baylor Georgetown


MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Sure.... I will trash-talk and smack talk KU a little(maybe a lot)......but you are going after Self? good man.....there you are wrong. He is a great coach. MU could have had him and we got Quin Snyder!!

No sir.....I will smack.....but not against this man.

PS-Many think you are actually an MU fan. If so....I reject you. i disavow you.....I renounce you.

Phoghorn 9 years, 2 months ago

Truth be told, if he is a "critical KU fan", I would disavow him. We used to have a poster on here called "jayhawkinnebraska" who was a royal %##^% who talked smack on KU every chance he could. Turns out, he was really just a Wildcat (the KSU variety) in Nebraska.

Then we had "highhawk" who was really a "highwildcat". Trust me, I suspect he was high, if you know what I mean.

Then there was manginorh00ls who can't get over his University of Tulane obsession. It was hard to differentiate him from his imposter manginodrh00ls sometimes though.

Now we have "longtimehawk" and "irish charlie" who are just annoying.

Now guys like yourself and ahpersecoachingexperience are actually pretty funny and entertaining, even when dissing us. You guys keep bringing it! This thread is getting good!

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

An honor to diss and smack-talk with you, sir. for this rogue "longtimehawk".....he is a scoundrel of the first order indeed.

Now....Am I an obnoxious, annoying MU fan with way too much time on my hands? Yes....obviously. But I freely admit I'm an MU fan.

If there are other MU fans here but have chosen to cloak your yourselves!!!!!

9 years, 2 months ago

I wasn’t aware Domino’s allowed their delivery personnel to subcontract their work. Regardless, no need to apologize and we hope your meeting goes well.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

HA! Makes me think of the pizza delivery guy in "Something About Mary".......Great movie.

Timmay97 9 years, 2 months ago

How many seniors starters does Missouri have? I believe 4?

Let's see if Missouri can pull off what KU has done time and time again.....not rebuild.....but reload!

Missouri is going NOWHERE next enjoy what you can this year.

And be lucky in the first you have to come to the Phog.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

I have consistently stated since last week that KU will win in Lawrence. I think the Big 12 will be the true test. But just watch some team like Texas Tech will blow through everyone,win it all and spoil it!!

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 2 months ago

How much more pathetic can MU fans be? MU's best team in a decade barely beats KU's worst team in a decade, at home and with a lot of help from the refs. They are so pumped that they drop the crack spoon long enough to create t-shirts celebrating the occasion and decide to show their ignorance on KU sports boards. I guess the expression -act like you have been there- does not apply, since they have never been there. Being the crack capital of the world is not really something that you can brag about. I actually feel sorry for MU fans; it must be tough to always live in the shadow of your superior neighbor.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

True.....we are a bit like inmates recently freed from their prison after many years. But it hasn't been that long since we had some very good teams and were competitive. I know we cant compare to Kansas in program tradition and winning....I wont try. But MU used to be very competitive......especially in thinking of the Norm Stewart years.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 2 months ago


As a fellow native Missourian, I hope you are as proud as I am of our state's elite status on a national scale of meth labs, puppy farms and our newly acquired dominance in unlicensed day care centers.

The difference is, I found salvation as a Jayhawk...and you have not.

I do however find the quality of your postings ranging from an acne-faced kid living in his mom's basement to a rational, fair-minded knowledgable fan an interesting phenomena.

You're point about UK is right's the best team money can buy and the only way they will lose if they start reading and believing their press clippings.

My main hope is that, despite their amount of ungodly talent, Calipari will come through as he always does and find a way to screw it up!!!

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Interesting! Yes.....each time I start posting on first I seem to like to rub it in a bit......but then I get to know a few of you and enjoy your posts......thus causing me to favor the more rational discussions.

It is a phenomena that even I seem to have created and do not fully comprehend. is a quagmire of my own making..... this I must sew.

As far as Kentucky.....I still say nobody beats them again. Indiana managed to do it. Perhaps a study of that game tape is in order.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 2 months ago

Like recent years the lack of big game experience will catch UK in the tournament. Their length and talent has rarely been tested, and a close game under pressure with overachieving Freshmen will end some one year collegiate careers a game or two early. Calamari will continue to roll up more sanctions and no NCs.

justinryman 9 years, 2 months ago

They were to be untouchable last year too.

Syracuse could cause them lots of problems as long as Fab Melo is still eligible.

UNC has bigs that could cause them some serious issues as well. Not that they will, just saying.

Plus there is always that one game you have in the tournament where your shots aren't falling, you start pressing, the calls aren't going your way and the next thing you know its a close game that shouldn't be and panic sets in.

Also coaching, great coaching will take down great talent in the tournament as well. Case in point Butler the past two years. Now if you have to combination of the two, you can be deadly, too bad for KY they don't have both.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

Some good points. And somehow I forgot about Syracuse. They could possibly take out KY. I dont like KY....and now we have to play them at least twice. I dont like Kansas either of course......but to me it's like two brothers fighting. Kentucky? Strangers I know nothing about.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 2 months ago more point and I will present this in a rational way.

What might have been?

If Bowers was healthy this year, Missouri might have been a match for Kentucky and a sure fire Final Four candidate. Haith could have gone "big" with both in there at the same time along with Moore or gone "rotation " thus keeping all three fresher and out of foul trouble.

Losing Denmon, English, Moore, Pressy and Ratcliffe after this season will be a real blow, so the time is now.....too bad you won't be at full strength.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

I see you are a true fan of the game.....or are you just performing "reconn"???? Either way.....I see your points. I think MU still could get to Final 4.....maybe.....English is the answer. If he can hit 3's consistently. Bowers is a terrible blow I fear will doom them in the end.

Kansas? Final 4? Possible but I doubt it. Your starting five are very good but there just isn't much on the bench. But I will say many of your fans are far too critical of Teahan. I dont know anything about Wesley and Young.

From what I have seen....someone on your team will have to really improve. I question Johnson's confidence....but he could be the one....or Releford. Johnson is very good bringing up/handling the ball....but he seems hesitant after that. He should stop thinking and start playing.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 2 months ago

One of our MU friends suggested that a KU victory tonight is wishful thinking. Got me thinking .. I wish upon a star ....

  1. I wish Missouri would fix their roads.
  2. I wish MU would change the name of Champions Drive to Mediocre Parkway.
  3. I wish there was a reality pill .. something you could take to accept reality .. other than simply viewing the athletic reality of over a century, that gets ignored.
  4. I wish Mizzou arena would have installed black seats so I wasn't fixated on how empty the building is vs. anyone but KU.
  5. I wish St. Louis wasn't the murder capital of the United States.
  6. I wish Kansas City had a competent school district.
  7. I wish I knew why aligning academically with the Big 10 was so important in 2010, but aligning academically with SEC seemed so right in 2011.
  8. I wish I knew why a journalism school was so important in conversation with MU basketball fans.
  9. I wish I knew why defining one's season by beating a rival -- once -- is satisfactory.
  10. I wish I could actually enjoy March if my team wasn't in the tournament.
  11. I wish I could figure out how MU can name its arena, Paige arena, then Mizzou arena, when Norm Stewart Arena is available.
  12. I wish I could accept my school's greatest player being Doug Smith.
  13. I wish I could have enjoyed the company of a few MU fans when Chalmers' shot went in.
  14. I wish Missouri drivers knew that the inside lane on the highway is the passing lane, not the lane to park your beat up 1992 Ford Festiva going 48 miles per hour, while talking on your prepaid cell phone.
  15. I wish I could enjoy crackers with my ATVs.
  16. I wish I could figure out how someone shoots themselves in the foot.
  17. I wish Columbia wasn't a freaking crime ridden dump.
  18. I wish I could understand how a school hires Quin Snyder over Bill Self.
  19. I wish I could understand why the Gods clearly conspire against MU - fifth down, Edney, kicked TD, etc.
  20. And I really wish I could understand what it's like to support a basketball team that has never really achieved anything .. ever .. 110 some years. Hasn't won a Big 12 title. No final fours. Ever. I might be a bit more empathetic. But I can't.

MizzouBest 9 years, 2 months ago

I wish I could stop laughing.

Touche', sir......well done!

Spencer Goff 9 years, 2 months ago

This is perhaps the greatest post ever. Ever. Ever, ever. There are not enough "+"s to put after the A for this.

I feel like I should print this out by the hundreds of thousands, and fly over towns in Missouri dropping these leaflets out. Similar to how we dropped leaflets on Tokyo before bombing it, except the Japanese were literate, so I guess why waste the paper?

Jack Wilson 9 years, 2 months ago

Thanks .. when you drop the leaflets, print it on the back of a porn shop ad; that way, your chances of it getting picked up off the ground will be at least 50-50.

JayHok 9 years, 2 months ago

MU fans are trying to squelch the publicity of the shirts they had made after the KU game.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 2 months ago

HEM 1] Cheap speed bumps. 2] Named after Gene Autrey's Wonder Horse.. 3] It's called viagra. 4] Then it would look like nightfall. 5] Stay west of the Mississippi and we drop 40 spots. 6] They have school districts??!! 7] $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 8] All Antlers are journalism's required. 9] It worked for David against Goliath. 10] Go to won't care who is playing...including your own team!! 11] Sam's Arena would be more appropriate. 12] Sorry, you got the wrong Smith...try Willie. 13] I was, we all hated was awesome!! 14] Guilty as charged!! 15] Cheezits are a delightful alternative. 16] Politicians do it all the time....go ask them!! 17] Hey, who you calling freaking!! 18] Better hairdo. 19] Penance on earth to gain entrance into heaven. 20] Gluttons for punishment.

Spencer Goff 9 years, 2 months ago

This game tonight is huge. That Mizzou Cheater Game was a guaranteed conference title if Don Daily and the Slaverites didn't cheat.

But, the game tonight can nullify that:

  1. Win out at home. That includes some tough games against Mizzou (hope they all die in a car fire), Texas, Texas Tech, and Olahoma State. Absolutely have to win out at home.

  2. Road games we can only afford to lose one more (assuming we win at home). Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, and Texas A&M still loom. A win tonight dooms Baylor. We have to go 3-1 on that road stretch if Mizzou does not lose another game.

To be honest, I think the Don Daily Slavetrade gang stole our conference title last Saturday, but as a fan, I'll keep my hopes alive for tonight.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 2 months ago

Somebody get these two Misery chumps of of here. They both seem level-headed and even come across as pretty nice dudes! This is ruining my hatred for Misery! If I can't come on to my favorite KU board and hate on them, I have so little left...well, I guess I do have my wife and kids, a good job, etc...but hating Misery is really what I like to do best and they're ruining it. GO AWAY!!!

Jeff Soisson 9 years, 2 months ago

Best coaching job ever by Bill Self, really impressive, the way he does not panic, the way he makes adjustments at half, and the bench scoring could be better but it is coming.

Win out!!!!!!! An send MU to the SEC the way we all want to see it. Can't wait!!!

JManTheChamp 9 years, 2 months ago

I feel like TT has gone from Freshman to Senior in just last 15 games.

Tom Pritchard 9 years, 2 months ago

“I’m striving to be one of the best big men in the country.” Well ya picked the wrong school for that..Even Jeff withey had your number last night..5pts wow..

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