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Monday, February 6, 2012

KU’s Bill Self: ‘We’ve been here before’

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson lets out a yell of frustration after a missed bucket and an offensive foul by the Jayhawks during the first half against Missouri on Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012 at Mizzou Arena.

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson lets out a yell of frustration after a missed bucket and an offensive foul by the Jayhawks during the first half against Missouri on Saturday, Feb. 4, 2012 at Mizzou Arena.

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Losses on successive Saturdays — combined with winning streaks of Baylor (four games) and Missouri (three) — have dropped Kansas University’s basketball team into a three-way tie for first place in the Big 12 Conference.

“It’s not good with the conference situation — the race. Still, we’ve been here before,” said KU coach Bill Self, whose Jayhawks have scratched and clawed their way to seven consecutive league crowns.

The Jayhawks, who fell to Iowa State, 72-64, on Jan. 28 in Ames, and Missouri, 74-71, on Saturday in Columbia, travel to Baylor on Wednesday for a 6 p.m. tipoff in Ferrell Center. The Bears, like the Jayhawks, take an 8-2 league mark into that showdown.

Baylor (21-2, 8-2) has games remaining at Missouri, Texas and Iowa State and at home versus KU, ISU, Kansas State, Oklahoma and Texas Tech.

KU (18-5, 8-2) still must play at BU, Kansas State, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State and at home against OSU, Texas Tech, Missouri and Texas.

MU (21-2, 8-2) travels to Oklahoma, Texas A&M, KU and Texas Tech, with home games against Baylor, Oklahoma State, K-State and Iowa State.

Surprising Iowa State (17-6, 7-3) plays at Oklahoma State, Baylor, K-State and Missouri and has home games left versus A&M, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Baylor.

Kansas State currently sits alone in fifth place at 5-5, followed by Texas and OSU (4-6), OU and A&M (3-7) and Tech (0-10).

“One thing that should give us confidence,” Self said, “is we know when we play a certain way, inside/out, we are pretty good, because Missouri has a terrific team. They are well-coached, can score from all spots. This was our game to win. We leave here (Columbia) disappointed, but also knowing we’ve got a good team.”

KU, which has gone a nation’s-best 227 games without consecutive losses, will face an ultra-talented Baylor team that was blitzed by KU, 92-74, on Jan. 16 in Allen Fieldhouse.

“We’ve got to bounce back Wednesday,” KU senior guard Tyshawn Taylor said. “We’ve lost two tough road games. We get another opportunity to play another good team on the road.”

The date of the Missouri rematch will be Saturday, Feb. 25, in Allen Fieldhouse. That game will be a 3 p.m. start on CBS.

“You can’t dwell on this too long. We’re going to Baylor Wednesday,” KU junior center Jeff Withey said. “We know we’ll play them (Tigers) again, maybe twice — our place and the Big 12 Tournament.”

Ellis closing in on mark: Kansas University signee Perry Ellis, a 6-foot-8 senior forward from Wichita Heights, is now just 38 points from becoming the No. 1 scorer in Wichita City League history. Former KU center Greg Dreiling of Wichita Kapaun scored 1,963 points.

Ellis’ next game is Tuesday at Wichita West. Heights has won 57 consecutive games.

Ellis, who is averaging 25 points a game off just 13 shots per outing, is expected to be invited to the McDonald’s All-America game in coming weeks. A recent Wichita Eagle article listed Ellis as possibly the greatest player in City League history, joining the conversation with Dreiling, Darnell Valentine, Antoine Carr, Ricky Ross and Aubrey Sherrod. Other City League standouts include Taj Gray, Korleone Young and Adrian Griffin.

Frankamp hits for 47: Future KU guard Conner Frankamp scored 47 points in Wichita North’s 69-66 victory over Wichita East on Friday in North’s gym. Frankamp hit 13 of 21 shots. At one point, he iced seven straight three-pointers. Frankamp, a junior, moved into fifth place on the Wichita City League career scoring list with 1,476 points. Frankamp has topped the 40-point mark in four games this season.

Sampson to visit: Jakarr Sampson, a 6-8, 220-pound senior forward from Brewster Academy in New Hampshire, will attend the KU-Missouri game as part of an official recruiting visit, according to Rivals.com. He has a list of KU, Baylor, Pitt, Louisville and St. John’s.

Marcus in D-League again: Houston Rockets first-round draft pick Marcus Morris, who practiced Thursday for the first time since suffering a severely sprained ankle on Jan. 12, is back with the NBA Development League’s Rio Grande Valley Vipers.

“He hasn’t been able to practice for two weeks with a sprained ankle and we go on a two-week road trip and he needs to go down there and play and get some conditioning,” Rockets’coach Kevin McHale told the Houston Chronicle.

A reporter asked McHale if he’d “gotten feedback from Marcus that he’s not happy about it?”

“No. I just assume that if they tell you what to do, you do it. Maybe I’m just stupid,” McHale said. “I forgot to ask him that, but I will next time.

“The D-League is a place for guys to go down and play and get in good shape. That’s where Marcus needs to be right now. We’re going on a long road trip. For him to go on a road trip with hardly any practice time it is going to be very difficult for him to improve and all these young guys do need to improve.”

Comments

longtimehawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Tharpe is worse then Morningstar and he was a joke. Self better start recruiting and stop this ignorance that he is doing. Walkon Teahan, my god, what has KU basketball come too?

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Billy Smith 2 years, 2 months ago

Uhhh Tharpe. He actually has speed and athletic ability. Play him off the ball. His turnover numbers would be a wash with how many times Teahan gets scored on. I'm pretty sure he can handle Teahan's unbelievably tough offensive role of posting in the corner clanking 3's. He makes it a 5 on 4 game because he isn't a threat whatsoever.

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67jayhawk19 2 years, 2 months ago

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Jack Wilson 2 years, 2 months ago

Guys .. easy here. Remember, Missouri is doomed for miserable failure. The bigger the build-up, the bigger the fall. It is their history. It is their destiny.

Something will happen.

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Dan Harris 2 years, 2 months ago

Mizzu is living by the 3 right now but will die by it at some point.

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BillSelf4Prez 2 years, 2 months ago

WHY CAN NO ONE BEAT MISERY!!!!!! ALLL THESE TEAMS LOSING IN THE DA$@ FINAL SECONDS!!!!!!!!!

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Dan Harris 2 years, 2 months ago

OU giving MUCKZOO fits but english just hit a 3 to to probably seal it

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missouricat 2 years, 2 months ago

Well, looks like this puts us in the drivers seat with Baylor not far behind. We played a pretty good game Saturday night but, it could have been better. Boy, Davis, Phillips and Bilas sure like Missouri and the new arena here. Jay says "who couldn't win in a place like this". Nice to see it. The bet worked out pretty good for me, had to go around to some of the KU fans and relieve them of their bet which the $800.00 fit right in my wallet nicely. KU played a good game right up to the last couple minutes then they fell apart and let the game get away from them. Our football and basketball team will fit right in with the SEC and the recruiting class in football will put Missouri in the top mix, which only will help in recruiting in the future. It sure is to bad that KU doesn't want to continue the Bordor War as the announcers made note last Saturday night.

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Billy Smith 2 years, 2 months ago

Bench Teahan ASAP. His defense is piss poor and he doesn't bring enough to the table to warrant his minutes. I'm sure we will be fine without his 2 3's a game.

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Konkis Dongington III 2 years, 2 months ago

What does anybody think the odds are going to be that two of our recruits are chosen as McD AAs? All 5 of our incoming guys have been nominated. That said, Perry Ellis is the only one I would consider a lock. I don't know enough about Anrio Adams on or off the court to comment. Lucas is the #1 guy out of Oregon right now, but I don't know anything about his personal life and/or academics. Same thing with White. I know he plays well, but I don't know much about him other than he appears to be a soft spoken kind of guy. Peters I could see pulling one in, but there's a lot of talent in Texas ahead of him. Thoughts?

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KansasComet 2 years, 2 months ago

After the last game, I said that "Winning is a great deodorant". I am please with how the team is growing. Good things to remember is we have not been blown out of any game or played poorly and entire game. We just have lapses that cost us wins. Loses like this build character. Hopefully we get this whole thing sorted out soon. We must learn how to close out tight games. There will be plenty of them on the road to the Final Four!

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REHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Until late Sat. night, I think it is too early to get a very clear picture of the league race. Even after this week, the likely winner(s) won't probably be inscribed in anything but chalk. This has become one of the most exciting races in Big 12 hoops history.

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HawkfromHays 2 years, 2 months ago

The reality is that we may very well have to win out to win the conference. Looking back, the ISU loss is going to be one that hurts bad.

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Konkis Dongington III 2 years, 2 months ago

I don't think there's any question about the Don Daily call being awful. It wasn't even a good flop on Moore's part. If there was any contact, it was shoulder to shoulder. The correct call was no call. I would understand Mizzeryans being upset if it had been called a block. Still, it was up to the guys on the floor to make plays and it didn't happen. That, to me, hurts worse than the bad calls. As I've said before, you can't control the refs so you have to put yourself in a position where those types of things don't hurt you. We didn't. That's why we lost.It's interesting that we're #7 in the AP (the one that actually counts) and #10 in ESPN/USA Today. You don't often get that much disparity in the top 10. Alberg's correct. AP voters know the score.

Looking forward, we're in about the same situation we were on Saturday. Going into Waco and walking away with a win pretty much ensures the conf. title as long was we don't lose anywhere stupid (Stillwater). I think Saturday's game demonstrated that we do in fact match up well against MU. They had no answer for TRob once we started getting him the ball. Personally, I like our odds in Waco. Baylor, for all its length, does a poor job with interior D. They've got a lot of speed and bounce,but like MU, they displayed no answer to TRob. Let's get it done and move on to the tourney.

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bluebill 2 years, 2 months ago

Go back and watch the game again and watch where Don Daily made the call from on Thomas Robinson. He made it in front of the KU bench and had to look around 2 players. Then he steps around the 2 players to make his showboat charging gesture. Totally out of position to make that call. Baseline official had the entire play right in front of him and did not make any call. Is Daily really from Misery? Totally ridiculous and should be repremanded and ban from working anymore Big 12 games.

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jazzhawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Not a big deal, really. I just wondered if anyone else noticed Thomas having to yell out direction to Connor about his defensive assignment late in the second half. I think they were chipping at each other on the ensuing timeout. You could see just before they cut to commercial that Danny went out past the scorer's table and pulled them both together by their jerseys. I am glad to see Danny not putting up with that stuff but also wonder if there is more than just one game frustration starting to show. That's not a good thing. Any thoughts?

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Clarence Haynes 2 years, 2 months ago

Can't wait to get pay back against the secessionists toward the end of the month.

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Alex Berger 2 years, 2 months ago

Hahaha KU went UP one in the rankings (from #8 to #7) after the loss the week.

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JayHok 2 years, 2 months ago

ESPN still going on about Don Daily's decisions. MU fans may want this to be forgotten but it's hard to overlook a six point swing that changes the outcome of the game.

"Of course, it's not quite that simple. Kansas was not helped by an iffy late charge call on Tyshawn Taylor that just as easily could have been a blocking foul on Michael Dixon. It resulted in two Missouri free throws and a three-point lead for KU to overcome. Even worse, that call wasn't nearly as egregious as the one against Robinson with 1:43 remaining; that easily could have been a block on Mizzou forward Steve Moore, an and-1 bucket for Robinson and a potential six-point swing, given Marcus Denmon's huge go-ahead 3 a few seconds later. Kansas fans are not at all happy about this turn of events, and they have every right to their anger."

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5DecadeHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Why is there no by-line for this article?

It appears to have much better writing than Keegan's.

No reason to try to hide who it is.

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REHawk 2 years, 2 months ago

Jamari and Ben, by now you both must realize that the Jayhawk Nation yearns for your talents. Please keep your heads together, commit yourselves to improvement in the dedicated manner of Thomas and the Morris twins, and show up next November as two of the most talented first year players in the land. This year's squad appears to be making steady upward strides, perhaps more than somewhat because the two of you have been involved in practice sessions since the Christmas break. You've had the opportunity to see and participate firsthand in the marvels which can be worked by the Kansas coaching/training staff, elevating bench players into bigtime Division I top ten competitors in their first years of starting action. A tremendous opportunity lies in wait for you in November. Watch, listen, practice diligently, make the most of Andrea Hudy's training facilities, maintain a clean social record and good grades. Be Prepared!

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Sally Presson 2 years, 2 months ago

No one had better blame Tyshawn, that boy played his heart out as did Thomas. I was at the game and that place was wild. Allen Field house is wild, but I'd have to say the difference is they pipe in music to make it loud, then the fans added to it made it pretty darn loud. I was pleasantly surprised how much they had their fans in control, there were KU fans around us wearing KU attire and no one game us a fit. I was very proud of our team and how hard they played. MU has a good team, but sure not better than us, the last 2 fouls were definately questionable and that's sad. I know we will get them in Lawrence, but it would have been great to get them there. It was not for the lack of trying on the hawks part. GO GETUM AT BAYLOR GUYS!!!

So proud to be a Jayhawk!!! Rock Chalk

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Mike Kendall 2 years, 2 months ago

Super Bowl Observation----ditto!

Favorite Commercial----ditto!

The Game----ditto!

Dang, Oakville-----great minds think alike!

Rock Chalk!

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 2 months ago

Just watch the rankings today;

1] Kansas loses by 3 to #4 Missouri there on ESPN Gameday, maybe the biggest stage Missouri basketball has been on in a decade!! 2] Duke....ranked #7.... loses at home.....to Miami...an unranked team!!

Guess which school drops out of the Top Ten..and the first two guesses don't count!!!

I hate Puke and whoever is playing Puke is my second favorite team for that night!!!

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 2 months ago

Please, please, please someone tell me Frankamp is for real because 2 years from now with BenMac and Conner II on the floor at the same time, it will be raining threes on our opponents heads.

Super Bowl Observation;

I thought that Madonna, for a gal approaching Wilt's personal encounter record if not having already broken it [ No fair, however, 'cause she plays both sides of the street.], looked pretty good.

Favorite Commercial:

The Audi commercial with the Sandman accidently dumping a whole bucket of dream dust on this guy. How can you beat a grandstand full of Victoria Secret models in string bikinis!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Game:

Who cares except that the Evil Empire gets beat again!! Hooray!!

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67jayhawk19 2 years, 2 months ago

make requirement of all future games with mu be played in allen fieldhouse; should satisfy haith's request for more games.

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Ted Hume 2 years, 2 months ago

Looks like Frankamp will shatter Ellis' soon-to-be scoring record just next year. Sorry Perry! At least they'll be able to joke about it two years from now-

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lv_jhwk 2 years, 2 months ago

In the Super Bowl, did anyone else notice that Wes Welker had a Tyshawn Taylor game? Makes numerous plays to keep the team in it and in position to win, but fails to make the biggest play that could have impacted the outcome.

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Ron Franklin 2 years, 2 months ago

I'm hoping Withey & Robinson can learn to truly complement each other down low. The day that happens; this team will be nearly unstoppable. They are not playing together down low. It's crucial that they do.

On a similar note, I think if our Guards would have continued feeding the beasts the entire 40 minutes, that game Saturday would have been a blow out.

I'm praying for a let down game tonight when Mizzou goes to OU.

I think KU can afford one more loss (and not to Baylor) and still come away with the title outright.

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Steve Brown 2 years, 2 months ago

Maybe change of pace we wear our road 'reds' to Waco or Manhattan, just a thought, change the shoes too. On a serious note, no more haircuts for Teehan, Whithey, Sampson. Really, what are you thinking....

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Steve Brown 2 years, 2 months ago

Well said Oak, very well said. Four trophies remain: 1. Conf. Title, 2. Post Season Tourney, 3. Final Four and 4. NCAA Champs. Long odds sure, yet we aren't out of these goals yet. Games to play and enjoy. . Celebrate the journey. Take the Tommy Lasorda advice, have a bad 5th inning yet win the game, then you had a good day. One tough loss in Columbia doesn't define our season while it might make theirs, they don't define who we are. We are Kansas.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 2 months ago

We are who we are...and that's a top 25 team, tied for first place in our league playing with essentially only five, true Division One players on our roster.

The bench is filled with guys who have potential and try their best, but, in reality, would be much further down the rotation if BenMac and Jamari were available.

To assume we would get any refereeing breaks in Columbia would not be facing reality.

I am afraid that it will be very difficult to go to Baylor, A&M, Okie State and KState and not lose more than one game. But remember, this season is a journey with the true goal in March. Anything is possible...but 67 of 68 teams fall short. Not great odds.

Still, keep the faith and keep sending positive energy towards Lawrence!!! Rock Chalk!!!

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jhox 2 years, 2 months ago

Guys will miss calls here and there. Both charge calls were close. I tend to agree with the one onTRob, though the guy clearly flopped and made it look even worse than the contact was. The one on Tyshawn I disagree with. Still, individual calls can and will be missed. What bothers me is that we've played 3 straight road halves where we didn't even shoot a 1 and 1 free throw. Never have I seen that sort of lopsided road / home officiating. It tells me Big 12 refs are catering to home teams to an extreme, perhaps wanting the adulation of the crowd. We've got guys hammering on TRob every possession, like there's no tomorrow, yet we can't even gather 7 team fouls on the opponents? Self needs to be working the Big 12 director of officials over this issue, to help assure the trend stops.

Anyone blaming Tyshawn for the loss is just plain wrong. If Tyshawn doesn't suit up for that game, we lose by 20.

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Bangkok_Jayhawk 2 years, 2 months ago

I really hope we blow Mizzou out by about 30 in AFH and keep our starters in till the last minute. Better yet, I hope Teahen and Taylor are jacking up 3s until the time expires.

Most rivalries are fun but this one is not... Mizzou is garbage.

Can't wait to eat them at AFH Can't wait to watch their football team crumble in the SEC *Can't wait to watch Mike Anderson's boys beat them in basketball next year.

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Dirk Medema 2 years, 2 months ago

We've been here before - and continued to win games and championships.

It starts by taking care of buisness on the road on Wednesday. Will this be the start of the Baylor Stumble?

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Chad Hallack 2 years, 2 months ago

There are a lot of KU people blaming the refs for costing us the game, especially after this video http://www.twitvid.com/SF3OZ surfaced today of mizzou AD Michael Alden. I still say you can only blame yourself for blowing an 8 point lead with 2 minutes to go.

I had a debate online last night and continuing today with a KU player and a handful of others close to the program as well as many fans. I took the stance that we blew a huge lead. If we had made one stop or converted on 1 possession the last 2 minutes, we win the game and can only blame ourselves.

I said that I thought the officials were pretty poor overall but there were blown calls both ways and pointed to the horrible goal tending call that went against mizzou and you could say we should have lost by 5. I said that crying about the refs under the circumstances we lost under made us look silly and we should quit it... but people persisted. It led me to look into it a little deeper. Here's what I found.

These were the officials from the game. Listed with the highest number of games they have officiated for any conference and the number of Big 12 games they have called in their careers.

Don Daily - 98 Missouri Valley - 38 Big XII

Rod Dixon - 42 Southland Conference - 7 Big XII

Doug Sirmons - 158 SEC - 14 Big XII

Fouls - slavers 10 KU 20 Freethrows - slavers 20 KU 9

Forget about the "fixed" conspiracy for a minute... Who schedules the officials in these games? Is it the Big XII or the home school? Either way... it looks really bad. If you have the biggest game in the country with two top 10 ranked teams for first place in your conference between two hated rivals for possibly the final time in Columbia... wouldn't you schedule the best rated and most experienced Big XII refs that you possibly could? I would.

So who picks the refs? I can't believe they would let either of the schools pick the refs... that's out--of-control idiotic. Yet why on God's green earth wouldn't the Big XII put primarily Big XII officials in this game and wouldn't a prominent SEC official be avoided like the plague? If mizzou AD Michael Alden scheduled those refs it's a huge scandal! If the Big XII scheduled them it's an epic fail beyond measure...

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Ferd Magellan 2 years, 2 months ago

Ellis is in some elite company. He's really going to help fill the huge void left when Robinson and Taylor are gone.

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jayhawker_97 2 years, 2 months ago

this season is a tough one with the rotation & ranks in big12. we played good teams and have a chance to play 2/3 times against them. our team is one of those good ones, have and almost beaten some of them. i'm very confident with our team right now. they are getting better & well prepared for hard-fought battles. especially the starters - look at those minutes of playing time. although i can't say much about the bench, they can be more productive sometimes. let's get some more W's!! r o c k chalk!!

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 2 months ago

I'm starting the Frankamp fan club right now. (assuming he doesn't defend like Teahan)

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 2 months ago

It's ok. KU is only 1/2 game back in the REAL standings.

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Ryan Lee 2 years, 2 months ago

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