Friday, February 3, 2012

Columbia contests stand out for Self, KU

Kansas University guard Travis Releford and the Jayhawks make their way from the court following a 62-60 loss to Missouri in this file photo from Feb. 9, 2009, at Mizzou Arena in Columbia, Mo. The Jayhawks have not lost in Columbia since 2009 and hope to build on the streak Saturday.

Kansas University guard Travis Releford and the Jayhawks make their way from the court following a 62-60 loss to Missouri in this file photo from Feb. 9, 2009, at Mizzou Arena in Columbia, Mo. The Jayhawks have not lost in Columbia since 2009 and hope to build on the streak Saturday.


Bill Self, who on Saturday night might coach his final game in Columbia, Mo., was asked Thursday to identify his favorite of the eight Border War battles contested in Mizzou Arena and/or Hearnes Center.

“Let’s see ... we’re 5-3 against Missouri? I have five favorite games and three that are very, very unpopular in my historical memory,” Self, KU’s ninth-year coach said with a smile. “There’s nothing more fun in my opinion than beating Missouri, and I’m sure they would say there’s nothing more fun than beating Kansas,” he added.

As far as a few specific recollections?

“I remember David Padgett made an off-balance shot. He throws one in at the buzzer,” Self said of an 8-footer by the 6-foot-11 freshman that busted an 82-82 tie with two seconds to play in the final game ever played in Hearnes Center (March 7, 2004).

“Two of the games we lost there ... one of them we had a seven-point lead with 39 seconds left and missed two free throws. Another one we had a 10-point lead with four-minutes left. Their guard made a shot at the buzzer to win by one or two. We’ve had some great games over there,” Self added.

Christian Moody missed a pair of charities with four-tenths of a second left, necessitating overtime in an 89-86 setback to MU on Jan. 16, 2006. KU did indeed lead by nine with under two minutes left. Thomas Gardner scored 40 points for the Tigers.

The other game Self referred to was a 62-60 Tiger victory on Feb. 9, 2009. Zaire Taylor hit a shot in the lane with 1.3 seconds left as the Tigers successfully battled back from a 14-point halftime deficit.

Self on Thursday commented again on the fact the series will be discontinued after this season. KU will not schedule the Tigers now that Mizzou has become a member of the Southeastern Conference.

“To me it’s disappointing and sad you have a great rivalry like this that could basically be ended,” Self said. “It’s no one’s fault. We are not blaming Missouri. They chose to be somewhere else. They felt it was best for their school to be in another league. Nebraska did the same thing last year. Colorado did the same thing. Texas A&M; did the same thing.

“What is a little unfortunate, those schools (MU, A&M;) made moves this year when our league is on the most solid footing it’s ever been on. They chose to think the grass is greener somewhere else and it may be. That’s their prerogative. When you make certain decisions like that, there are certain things that happen behind those decisions that’s affected. This (fact it likely is last game in Columbia) certainly adds adrenaline to an already very competitive situation because kids on both teams are prideful. Fans are prideful. There’s more talk about it that translates and falls down to the players’ level as well.”

Self, by the way, is 17-3 all-time against Missouri — 14-3 as KU coach. Frank Haith has yet to coach a game versus the Jayhawks.

“I think it’s definitely more important than other games. Kansas-Missouri ... that alone makes it more important,” said KU senior Tyshawn Taylor. “It’s probably the last time we’re going to play against them (at MU). They are going in a different conference.”

Taylor cut a joke when asked what the Jayhawks think when the team bus crosses the border and sees the “Welcome to Missouri” sign.

“We do the thumbs-down sign,” he said.. “No ... it’s not that serious. This rivalry goes back before we even know. We take on that role of not really liking those guys. In a competitive sport we play in it’s going to be like that. We’re going to take this ride to Missouri and enjoy every minute of it. We are going to embrace their crowd, embrace the fans. We are going to go there and just play.”

Taylor said the Jayhawks actually expected a rowdy crowd.

“I am thinking it’s going to be pretty rough down there. It should be. They are a real good team, a top five team in the country,” he said. “It’s a rival. I’d be disappointed if it wasn’t a good crowd in there. I think it will be a good atmosphere. With an atmosphere like that, it feels a lot better to win when the crowd is into it and going crazy. I’m excited about that. It’s why we came to Kansas, to play in big games like this.”

Noted junior Jeff Withey: “We know it will be loud and crazy. The whole Big 12 is pretty crazy. When it’s a rivalry game like this it goes extra crazy. They (fans) try to get into your head. We will go in there ready to play. A win on the road is something we need. To get one there would be awesome.”

Tipoff for Saturday’s game is 8 p.m., with a live telecast on ESPN. The network’s College GameDay crew will be in town.


Kye Clark 9 years, 10 months ago

“It’s no one’s fault. We are not blaming Missouri."

Wrong. It's their "fault". I say good riddance. It doesn't break my heart one bit to see those slavers slink off to the SEC. So Misery...thanks. Don't let the door hit ya in the @$$

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 10 months ago

Agree big time! Hate mizzoo and hate their fans. Worst part of my (sports) life was when I lived in KCMO and was married to an mu fan! Side note: We were going to go to a KU-mu football game in Lawrence and she actually wanted to wear her mu sweatshirt! Stupid! Married to a kstate fan now, but she is not that big a fan-didn't go school there.

hawk316 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow, sg, there seems to be a pattern here... :-)

KUbsee69 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't we still owe them a town-burning-down?

Vernon Riggs 9 years, 10 months ago

From the old news reports: 'one-town burning and they raped alot of sheep'. I say we burn down Columbia with our shooting percentage and call it even for the sheep.

omng392 9 years, 10 months ago

I hate Mizzou, but they are going to make about 3 million a year more.. That's like being mad at a collegue who's taking a job where he/she is going to make more money. At the end of the day MU has to do what is best for MU... Just like KU has to do what is best for KU. Personally if the ACC came calling for KU. I would drop the Big 12 in a heartbeat. It would be great to play Duke and Carolina twice a year...

Kye Clark 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't blame them for leaving for more money. Although I think with the extended travel they won't be coming out nearly as on top as they think they are. My point here is that it is them who ended the rivalry. Period. It is, in fact, their fault. And I'm happy they're going.

You argued points that I was not making.

mmlaughsatnerds 9 years, 9 months ago

Well, not sure how much of that $3M eventually filters to the fans. It will be hard to get more media coverage than they currently are in the main hubs of St Louis and KC. Travel to events (such as the conference tournament) will be more difficult. And that big surge in income isn't a sure thing...a new SEC contract has to be negotiated as well as exit fees. And, rumblings are that the Big 12 could attract some additional quality schools (ironically, from the ACC) that could eventually bring them a more attractive TV contract. MU was right to worry about the instability of the conference. I don't think anyone begrudges them that. However, instead of doing much about it it seemed they ran at the first offer that was thrown their way. In fact, it seemed they lied about a lot of their intentions to KU and other schools.

John Randall 9 years, 9 months ago

Be grateful for the enemies who keep you strong.

cool_beans 9 years, 10 months ago

if the bench shows up Saturday night then their is no way ku loses to those a-holes. i think withey gets a ton of blocks this game.

Alohahawk 9 years, 10 months ago

KU's height will prevail. The Jayhawks will own the paint on Saturday.

Withey gets a triple double. Wouldn't that put the icing on a win against Mucky U. 12 points, 10 rebounds and 12 blocks. I want to see Ratliffe get stuffed each time he puts up a shot.

And TRob gets his usual double double, only this time it's 20+ points and 20 rebounds.

RCJHGKU!!!! (All caps)

hathead 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope HCBS gives NT more PT. He needs time to develop.

Calijhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

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Scott MacWilliams 9 years, 10 months ago

Last time to go to MizerU? Pardon me for not getting all choked up here, since I don't think the national leader in meth labs needs any sympathy.

Have you ever been to lake of the Ozarks? That is the NASTIEST lake water I have ever seen, and my inlaws think it's just great... Must be those hundreds of septic tanks along the miles of shore with every kind of motorized toy you can imagine belching gas & oil into the water. Now that's Mizzu livin' large for ya...


Nick Cole 9 years, 10 months ago

I like going to the Ozarks. Not b/c I think the lake is great (that water so nasty, my fiance sick from it), but a couple friends of mine have really nice houses and boats. I go mostly for the party. It's an excuse to sit around and drink beer all day (not that I really need an excuse for that, haha). Fun place to get away from the city and make fun of the majority of the people you see at the bars down there.

actorman 9 years, 10 months ago

I'd forgotten about Padgett's shot. Plenty of people criticized him during his season with KU and when he chose to leave, but he will always go down as the one who won the final game played at Hearnes Center, and for that alone Jayhawk fans should always be grateful. Now let's give a similar sendoff to Paige ... er, Misuse Arena.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Jayhawk Special Operations Command (JSOC) Memo

From: JSOC Director

To: Mu Upsilon Chi Kappa Phi Iota Zeta Zeta Omega Upsilon Team

RE: Operation Flaming Columns

On Saturday 4FEB2012, at 0230 CST, MUCK PHIZZOU team will execute Operation Flaming Columns in Columbia, Phizzouri, CSA.

Team will soak surfaces of four masonry columns with kerosene, or other flammable substitute and ignite with old Zippo lighter first used to hang and burn a Phizzouri coach in effigy. The columns symbolize the enemy's inability to finish anything. Setting fire to them, while scorching them, will not destroy them, but rather leave them as a constant, defaced reminder of the low esteem in which all Jayhawks hold the in-bred degenerates of that school and state.

(Note: all fiction. No malice.)

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

are you SURE there's not just a little bit of malice there jaybate?? hehe

kUlosers 9 years, 10 months ago

You guys would certainly put the "special" in "special operations." However, I know it's fiction because if your teams are too cowardly to keep playing Mizzou, why would your fans be any different?

ChiHawk11 9 years, 10 months ago

KU is just being nice to mizzou, we wouldn't want them to have to change their non-conference scheduling philosophy.

ccarp 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm coming to Columbia to be there when all you blow hards have nothing to say, but sit back and hear the rock chalk ring through the halls of the Paige for the last few minutes of the last meaningful basketball game in Columbia. Hope you can make it, don't just be a fan on the boards. Show up for this one.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, what an appropriate alias.

You lose to KU.


I get it.

Now, here's the thing.

If I wanted a diet of feces, I would crack your thick skull open with a hammer and chisel and ladle out a full helping of shizz from your head, okay?


jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Tour's is unquestionably the most scatologically hilarious icon of all time!

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow, jaybate! Both barrels! LMAO! Best comeback I've read in a long time!

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

We don't want to keep playing the M team, because once you get rid of cancer, you dont want to mess with it any more.

Also, it would only help raise your RPI and lower ours. It would also lower our IQ.

Chris1955 9 years, 10 months ago

I guess I could make a snide remark about Missourians torching Lawrence, and turn about is fair play..........

Enjoy being Tiger team #3 in the SEC....... hahahahaha

Cmill1221 9 years, 10 months ago

What is to gain by playing MU after this. We want to focus on winning championships. How does playing a meaningless game vs MU help us? It's worthless to us.

jhox 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't just want to win tomorrow night, I want to win by 20 or 30. Shut them up once and for all.

MU is a very good team, make no mistake, but I do like our match ups here. Our guards are long and defend well. If I'm Coach Self I try to keep Withey in the paint as much as possible, and I instruct everyone else to stay on their man and limit the help D they play. Let's not let Missery drive and dish out for 3's. Let's see if they are good 3 point shooters with taller, longer guards in their faces. Tyshawn needs to do a good job staying in front of Pressey and lot letting him penetrate.

On the other end the strategy is simple, Get the ball to TRob and Withey, and let's put on a dunk show. Let's get Ratliff in foul trouble so they have to bring in Moore. The more Moore plays, the bigger margin we win by. Our guys are on a mission. I sense it and I have a good feeling about this one.

Rock Chalk....

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

This may go against the standard thinking, but I'm less worried about the defense than the offense. With the turnover problems that we've had pretty much the whole year, I hope we'll be able to control the ball well enough to get it in consistently to TRob and Withey.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 10 months ago

The sentiments should be interesting regarding BenMac. He'll quickly discover the the class differential between KU and Mizz. At least he won't have to go to Columbia and step onto the court to experience the depths of humanity as it exists in the Show Me state's flagship school.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey, I'm guessing they will finally have a sellout in Paige Arena this year. Talk about crappy fan support.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 10 months ago

I bet they have some Walmart coupons ready to go!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

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texashawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

They're not victims when they're willing participants, ;-)

yates33333 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm glad someone mentioned Christian Moody because I have been thinking that Jeff Withey is the greatest find at KU since Moody. Of course, Jeff wasn't a walk on, but I was beginning to worry that he might turn out to be a player who should have been one. Actually, Withey is a better find that Moody. He is more valuable, which isn't to say Moody wasn't very valuable in his time. Withey who is much taller is a better player, but Moody would be remembered as a very good player even if he had not been a walk on. It's players like these two (among others who wore the Harvard Crimson and Yale Blue and sang the Cornell alma mater with KU words) that youngsters ought to emulate. They make me very proud to be a longtime Jayhawk and of course a Jayhawk supporter since the days of my hero, Charlie Black.

P.S. Beat Mizzou

milehighhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Agreed with most of your post, but how can you possibly call Withey a "find"? He was a McDonalds All-American.

yates33333 9 years, 9 months ago

I don't understand player development as well as you do. I never thought Withey looked very good until this year. I take that back, sort of. He had one game with about 5 minutes last year where he played pretty good. Obviously, coach Self didn't think he was particularly good until his development this year. So I don't feel too bad.

I don't know much about Moody, but I am surprised he parked in handicapped spaces. Did he pay off the Lawrence police? I hate to say this but your avatar makes me wonder about you. Is it U of Texas or Un Trustworty?

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

Don't worry about mangino, yates. You can't take anything he says seriously. He's just another one of those pathetic trolls that never has anything nice to say. I don't for a minute believe that Moody did that.

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 10 months ago

But Jeff was a McDonald's All-American... And Moody was a Jayhawk thru and thru but is compare moody as a player much closer to Teahan than I would with Withey.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Saw Moody at the airport recently. He had his daughter on a front carrier. Brought back lots of memories. My favorite was the ridiculous no-look pass to JR Giddens.

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

Great call, dynamite. I was going to mention that same play -- one of the best passes I've ever seen, from any player on any team. It's incredible that it came from him.

MorganR 9 years, 10 months ago

Coach Self, Mr, Taylor, and Mr. Withey were very diplomatic. This is a rivalry that I won't miss because of a small minority of MU fans. Over the years, this rivalry has, all too often, not been healthy. Best wishes to the Jayhawks. I hope you play well and please DON'T GET HURT. I still wince recalling Mr. Robinson and Mr. Taylor hitting the court hard against OU.

Rian Ankerholz 9 years, 10 months ago

I wondered what happened to Morganna, the kissing bandit!

Orangedog87 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the laughs this morning. Go Hawks. I hope I get as many laughs Saturday night.

Rolland Remmert 9 years, 10 months ago

The new avatar for the weekend.......feel free to steal it and have your own shirt made.

Kye Clark 9 years, 10 months ago

It always cracks me up seeing Fizzou fans whine & cry about KU being the ones that ended the rivalry. Sorry losers (and yes, you are losers. Being behind in the all-time series 171-94, you've earned that title), but you had two guaranteed games with KU on your schedule every year. You chose to whore yourselves out, first to the Big Ten, who smartly wanted nothing to do with your flaming mediocrity across the board, and finally embracing your confederate roots once again and slinking off to the SEC. So Fizzou, live with the consequences.

  • Sorry that you ran away from the one sell-out you could count on each year in your pathetic gym.

  • Sorry to all the meth labs in your state that received a nice bump in sales every year in the days just prior to the near-annual @$$-kicking we lay on you in your place.

  • Sorry that the Antlers just lost their best (and possibly only) reason to live.

  • Sorry to all the Misery trolls whose already pathetic smack just lost even more relevancy.

  • And speaking of relevancy, sorry that your entire institution just lost theirs. Who are you without KU? KU has miles upon miles of the greatest tradition this sport has to offer. And you...well you have been like a leech. A parasite. Pilfering off of that tradition for over 100 years. No more. We are tired of carrying you.

Actually...I'm not sorry for any of those things. I laugh about it. Now beat it freaks. Go fade away into the inbred culture of the south.

Rock Chalk!

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

Very well said, ict, especially the part about them losing their relevancy. Given how their entire season usually comes down to whether or not they can beat us, I've been wondering what the hell they would care about now. It'll be fun to see them a few years down the road when they've become just another mid-to-lower-tier SEC team with no point to their sports program whatsoever.

And LOVE the joke, zsn!

zsn 9 years, 10 months ago

I do not believe that the residents below the Mason-Dixon Line seem to have grasped this concept. Therefore, the need to keep bringing it up. Why else would anyone want to fly the battle flag of the losing side so prominently??

"How do you know that toothpaste was invented in Misery?" "How?" "If it was invented anywhere else it would have been called teethpaste"

trainor 9 years, 10 months ago

new registrant, poster here. i'm all for mizzou going to the SEC, and good riddance. but some of you are way underestimating missouri in this game tomorrow night. i certainly hope for and want a 'hawks win, but i'm not going to be surprised (or even disappointed) if they lose, so long as they don't lose because they played "stupid, selfish and soft." i'll savor the revenge even more in that case when they come to play at our house for the last time. we get the last word.

Rian Ankerholz 9 years, 10 months ago

Welcome, trainor! I think you have your priorities straight.

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

Welcome, trainor.

I'm certainly not underestimating them; in fact I think they're likely to win. I just hope to hell I'm wrong.

sekjayhawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

It's time to OCCUPY MIZZOU ARENA and remember that "Mizzurah has won no championships of any kind!"


CoastieJhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

As a KU fan I'm disappointed that KU has chosen not to continue playing MU. The rivalry is among the most heated in college sports. There's nothing better and more fulfilling than beating MU. Rivalries cannot be simply created out of nothing. History makes rivalries good and that's what we have with MU. There are many rivalries that span conferences: Louisville/Kentucky, South Carolina/Clemson, and Georgia/Georgia Tech. Hopefully, KU will schedule MU in sports so we fans can continue to hate on Methzou and show that the Big 12 is better than the SEC. Rock Chalk!

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

As someone pointed out under another article, all of those rivalries are within the same state. With a few rare exceptions (like Notre Dame - USC and Texas - Oklahoma before they were in the same conference), there are virtually no non-conference rivalries that don't involve teams in the same state.

The fact is that they chose to abandon the conference, and they should not be rewarded by getting to continue to have their reason for existence and the guarantee of their one cashcow. To hell with the damn slavers.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

Read 'em and weep, Tiger Nation:

NCAA Appearances - KU - 40, MU - too few to mention Overall Record - KU 2056/803 - MU - 1045/1042 Final Fours ---- KU 21 - MU - 0 National Titles- KU 5--- MU - 0 KU vs MU-------171 - 94 In Columbia-----64--- 56, Kansas In Lawrence/neutral - 107 - 38, Kansas Games won w/ 9 points or less difference - Kansas- 128, MU - 99 Best venue ; Allen Fieldhouse Best fight song: Rock Chalk Chant Lamest macot: Truman the Tiger Most Obnoxious Coach : Norm Stewart Dumbest Coach: Quinn Snyder State with the most meth labs: Missouri State with the most puppy mills: Missouri State with the most unlicensed day care centers: Missouri [well, at least they won something!!]

angusmcpherr 9 years, 10 months ago

Wins in AFH last 12 years: KU 195; MU 0. Consecutive NCAA appearances: KU 22; MU 2 Big 12 Titles: KU 11; MU 0 Big 12 Tourney titles: KU 8; MU 1.

Phoggie_Thinking 9 years, 10 months ago

Happen to be a Husker fan in football, but still think all this conference hopping is ridiculous. It's money and ego and nothing else. The whole mess started with the good governor of Missouri saying it's a done deal with the Big 10. Good bye Mizzou.

I really hope the Hawks can sweep them and don't think it is a reach that they may do it in style +10 points. Then I would love it if Baylor would do the trick in the conference tourney and we never have to play them again except for the once every 20 years in the NCAA tourney.

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

Your sentiments are right on, ralster, but I believe your numbers are off. I think Quantrill killed 183, not 81, and that's the number that they celebrate.

Bradley Sitz 9 years, 10 months ago

Whether this series continues will be determined by the Kansas City political and corporate elites- not the KU athletics department.

My guess is that KU and Missouri will continue to play once a year in KCMO during the pre-conference (Nov -Dec).

So, this is probably the last trip to Columbia. But, the series will continue, because Russell-Stover Candies, Hallmark Cards, Sprint, the KC Democratic political machine, major KU donors, and etc., will demand that it continue. I am even more convinced that the annual football game will be continued.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

"Pre Game Forensic Analysis of The Dead Team Walking aka MU"

(Note: for intellectually challenged MU fans, i.e., for all MU fans, "forensic" was meant as a little joke.)

It is hard to know where to start insulting this bunch of MU poseurs, so anywhere will do.

Preconference Schedule: A joke. Not one team MU played is now in the Top 25 of the AP Poll this week. Illinois was the best team they played and they won by a whopping 4 points. Illlinois is not in the Top 25. MU played Nova, Notre Dame, and Cal, which are all way down this season. KU has played one of the toughest non-conference schedules of anyone this season. Huge advantage: KU.

Conference Losses: They got blown out by KSU, which is not in the Top 25. They got beat solidly by Okie State, which is not in the Top 25. Both were road losses, and, after ISU, KU knows road losses to non Top 25 teams happen, but MU has two road losses and KU has one. Advantage: KU.

Conference Wins: KU beat the tar out of Baylor and Texas and KSU in AFH. MU just barely beat Baylor and Texas on the road,m and got blown out by KSU on the road. Even when you add 5 points to MU's scores to account for home court advantage and compare them with KU's home wins over the same three teams, KU looks like Zeus and MU looks like a paramecium.

Okay, so, MU is a joke in terms of wins and losses and who they've played. Lets go position by position.

1: 6-3 Tyshawn Taylor vs. 5-10 Phil Pressey

Tyshawn is just as fast and 4 inches taller. Tyshawn shoots vastly better on both sides of the trey stripe. Phil only hits 25% of his treys. Phil holds a slight edge in steals. If Tyshawn protects the ball from Phil, Tyshawn can take this runt to the iron all game, and shoot over him for treys at will. Huge Advantage: KU.

2: 6-4 Elijah Johnson vs. 6-2 Matt Pressey

EJ is long and fast. Phil is not as long and fast. Matt shoots 39% from trey, but he's not been guarded by someone as good as EJ all season. EJ is slowly starting to come out of his slump. EJ could explode against EJ. Advantage: KU

3: 6-6 Travis Releford vs. 6-3 Marcus Denmon

Long and fast leaper vs. a short and fast leaper. Denmon is MU's top scorer. Travis is KU's top lock down man. Denmon shoots 38% from trey. Denmon is going to feel like he's in the Big Top in Leavenworth for this game. Advantage: KU.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Erratum: EJ is long and fast. Matt is not as long and fast. Matt shoots 39% from trey, but he's not been guarded by someone as good as EJ all season. EJ is slowly starting to come out of his slump. EJ could explode against Matt. Advantage: KU

Yes, I missed my aricept today. :-)

kellerman411 9 years, 9 months ago

Jaybate, You hit it right on the head. I have been telling people all week long that we can all forget about T-ROB winning this game for us (although I believe he will play well) and that it will be our guards who win this game. MU has not faced a team with the shear size that our guards have. Because they are so fast, most don't realize how large Tyshawn and the rest really are. I'm 6 foot and Tyshawn, Travis and Elijah tower over me by several inches. I just don't believe that the Presseys and Denmon understand the caliber of guards that they will be asked to score on and guard. The first few minutes will be shell shock for them.

It is just so much more difficult to knock down those 3s when the guy guarding you is 4 inches taller. You have to get more space and be at your spot earlier to get it off. It's impossible to replicate this in practice.

The game will not be over until the last second ticks but beleive me, after the first half, the MU guards will NOT believe that they can win the game. I've played against guys taller and with equal talent my whole life, it's tough. It's really though.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

  1. 6-10 Thomas Robinson vs. 6-6 Kim English

Kim English is a deadly trinitarian and who ever guards him is going to have to go out as far as he goes. He doesn't board much. Putting TRob on him guaranties TRob will not get many rebounds, but ut also guaranties that MU's main trey threat will get almost zero looks. And on the offensive end, Robinson will basically score every time he touches the ball on the blocks.

  1. 7-Jeff Withey vs. 6-8 Ricardo Ratliffe

Ratliffe will have a strength and agility advantage, if Self puts Withey on Ratliffe, so Jeff will have to watch out for fouling. But Withey will be blocking an awful lot of Ratliffe's shots. And Ratliffe its going to get into foul trouble very quickly, if KU plays through Withey even just every third time down the floor. Advantage: KU.

Bench: MU brings 6-9 267 pound Steve Moore off the bench for 16 mpg to rest Ratliffe, though they might have to use him with Ratliffe against KU. Moore's weight can cause KU's bigs problems. MU's other subs are 3 short, fast perimeter players that are not particularly good outside shooters, but can do pretty much what the starters do without quite as much scoring. KU brings twin bigs in KY and Justin, for short stretches, and Conner on the perimeter. Conner's going to have a tough time keeping up on the perimeter with MU. This is a game where we could use Naadir, but Naadir's problem with D1 speed is going to be a severe disadvantage against MU's lightening fast perimeter players. Advantage: MU

MU's Strength's, Weaknesses, and Strategy"

MU tries to turn games into 3 point shooting and foul shooting contests. Except for one player, Kim English, however, they are a decent, but not great trey shooting team. Total 3ptA and FTA versus opponents totals distill MU's strategy.

      3ptA    FTA

MU 446 489 Opp. 388 322

MU makes the above happen by confronting teams with more speed on the perimeter and at the 4 than they are used to. MU plays 4 guards and subs three guards. They play one big and sub one big. They want to stay fast on the perimeter, exhaust an opposing team's perimeter defenders and get them fouled up, and they want to slash to iron and get the opposing team's bigs fouled up. They use 6-8 240lb Ratliffe, their lone big man, and his back up to rough up the opponents main big and Ratliffe uses his foot quickness to try to get opposing bigs in foul trouble. They beat teams by getting them fouled up, by shooting .78 percent as a team from the FT line, and kicking out to Kim English for 49% trey shooting.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

What KU Has to Do to Ensure and Almost Certain Win:


KU has so many choices of how to attack MU, the problem will be finding the most efficient one to offset the psychological effect of MU's trey shooting.

~KU's three major points of attack: bigs on the blocks, TT driving Phil Pressey to iron, and posting up our guards.

~Scoring through the bigs with our height advantage is obvious, but MU will pack the paint, and do an incredible amount of fouling with their help defenders, so playing through the bigs all the time is not necessarily the way to go indefinitely. Why? Being seven deep at guard, MU likes to turn games into FT shooting contests. We don't want that. We want highly efficient scoring, plus FTs. If they pack the paint and force our bigs to miss and shoot FTs that's playing their game, not ours. So: the primary point of attack has to be the bigs on the blocks, but if they really pack and foul, then the next move is recommended.

~Post up our tall guards on their short ones: Self is not, but I am a huge fan of posting up an opponent's short guards, especially when an opposing team decides to pack the paint against our bigs. Send both bigs to one side of the lane, send either Tyshawn or Elijah to post up on the opposite block. Then crash our bigs as our guard shoots a post up shot, and finish anything our guard misses. Tyshawn posted up against Phil Pressey would be an automatic two, either on the make, or the stick back, and Pressey would quickly foul out. Further, it would completely eliminate his defensive stripping and quickness from the equation.

~Trey shooting remains a part of KU's mix. Under either approach, we need to plant our trey shooter on the strip and kick out. Our streaky trey shooters, though slumping, are as god as theirs. But no long treys today. Nothing but treys on the stripe. And it is almost certain that Conner will have no trouble getting looks when he is in, because of his size advantage, at the 3. And EJ is ready for a break out. And Tyshawn keeps shooting great, too.


~There is a lot of gripping about one or the other of our two bigs not being able to keep up with MU's short 4. I would like to see KU start the game with its regular starting five and really give MU an early and painful taste of what happens going small. Self can go either way. He can put Jeff on Ratliff and TRob on English, or the other way around. I would like to see Jeff on English, because that would keep our better rebounder, TRob, inside. And I think Jeff on English would completely eliminate English' trey game, at the cost of some blow bys. But who cares? English only poses a serious problem as a treys shooter. But Self is conventional about such things and most likely will put TRob on English.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

~I think we will see a lot of KY and Justin on Kim English in the first half. Frankly, I see English having a very, very, very tough game, because we can keep a lot of mobile height on him, if he causes either of our starting bigs problems.

~Foremost: Don't let any of the perimeter starters get fouled up chasing slashers, even if it means sand bagging, as Self appeared to do against OU, or even if it means playing some zone. The moment any of KU's starting perimeter players get in foul trouble, the table tips from sharply favoring KU, to sharply favoring MU. We don't have subs that can keep up with either MU's starters, or subs, on the perimeter.


~Perimeter defenders guard the trey stripe but no further against all of MU's perimeter shooters, except English who has to be chased all over. No chasing and fouling MU perimeter defenders. Deny their 3 at the stripe, but because they are not great trey shooters (all are at around 38-39%) sucker them into launching 3-4 feet outside the trey stripe.

~If a perimeter player does get in foul trouble, this could be a great game for a diamond and one zone, or a box and one zone. Put Travis on Kim English, and dare the rest of MU to beat you from outside. In the box zone, use a lot of KY and Justin.

~KU's relentless inside scoring advantage, especially with 3 point plays from fouling, will out weigh MU's lesser shooters from shooting 38% from trey no matter how pretty the MU treys look.

~Basically take everything straight to Ratliffe . Overpower him. Foul him out. And MU is done.

~Run the stuff, but take it to the iron early and often.

~Don't get careless blocking shots against little guys. It's sometimes easier to foul little fast guys than big ones, when blocking.


~Don't let them turn it into a foul shooting contest, or we lose.

~If KU plays its game, MU is the team that should be gripping.

Rock Chalk!

trainor 9 years, 10 months ago

well damn, jaybate, great analysis and thorough too. i feel better about our chances. but you didn't mention turnovers.

Alohahawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Let EJ shoot a 3 to start with, to condition his defender. Then, drift our bigs out from the paint to open up the middle, and send EJ to the rim for lobs.They don't have a single player who can leap like EJ.

When they start defending the lob, drop the ball to our bigs for thunder dunks.

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

"If KU plays its game, MU is the team that should be gripping."

If I'm not mistaken, I believe you mean "griping," unless you're talking about them gripping because of tension.

dylans 9 years, 10 months ago

I know I already posted this, but in the spirit of the day: Little Johnny went to school one day all decked out in KU gear. His teacher asked him, "Why do you like that horrible school so much?" Johnny replied,"My mom and dad are Jayhawk fans!" To which the teacher says,"If your mom and dad were a hooker and a thief would you be the same?" "No", Johnny replies,"I would be a Missouri Tiger."

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

Jaybate's analysis is thorough and right on...except for one small detail.

Almost yearly, from the past 30 seasons, we have been jobbed by the refereeing in Columbia. As our record attests, we have been able to overcome that discrepancy with depth of talent.

This year, we do not have that luxury. I am concerned that Jeff, Conner, Justin, Kevin and Nadiir may have to function within the most toxic atmosphere they have ever faced. Hilton is a high school gym compared to the Arena Formerly Named Paige.

I don't think Kansas will have a double digit victory even if they can win. In fact, I must use my head instead of my heart and predict MU 79 - KU 75.

PS I will be the happiest man in Missouri if I am proved a complete idiot and dead wrong!!!!

ku_foaf 9 years, 10 months ago

It will indeed be a very, very tough thing to beat them at home. The same is true for Baylor.

In general in this series, if one team is much better than the other, they will squeak by with a win at the opponents home court or lose a close one and blow them out on their own home court. If they are somewhat evenly matched, they will split.

I loved it when we played Missouri at Missouri in early January. A victory there was an excellent sign of a great season! They've had a chance to play spoiler the last 15 years or so, as we've played there late in the season, last or 2nd to last game.

ku_foaf 9 years, 10 months ago

That isn't a far stretch, as it almost always does go down to the wire!

It has been a long time since KU and MU met when both were ranked in the Top 10. MU has an advantage on speed and passing, no doubt, KU on size.

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 10 months ago

Indeed, rebounds and fouls will have a big say who wins on Saturday.

ku_foaf 9 years, 10 months ago

I had to look this up to make sure I was right...

Missouri has NEVER been Big 12 Champs in the 15 year history. You have to go back to 1994 and the Big 8 to find a Missouri championship, which was also a league sweep.

So Missouri freshman were just being born the last time they won a conference championship!

We have been champs or co-champs in 11 of 15 years in the Big 12, and won 13 Big 8/Big 12 championships in the same period where they won only one. We are the ONLY team to sweep the Big 12.

Gee, no wonder MU fans always say "I don't want to hear statistics!"

texashawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

<---------------- Hey look, I found a picture of Miss Missouri!

Dr. Robert s. Mosser 9 years, 10 months ago

I look forward to the first story of some of those near illiterates from Arkansas, Alabama, etc beating the crap out of the Antlers. The SEC plays by different rules and if the Antlers try doing in the SEC what they have done to KU it is at their own risk

PurePierce 9 years, 10 months ago

+1 The Antlers may want to view the movie "Deliverance" as a cautionary tale.

John Randall 9 years, 9 months ago

Who are these "Antlers" you're talking about? <<< this wall of the trophy room isn't full, but the others are!

Dr. Robert s. Mosser 9 years, 10 months ago

I look forward to the first story of some of those near illiterates from Arkansas, Alabama, etc beating the crap out of the Antlers. The SEC plays by different rules and if the Antlers try doing in the SEC what they have done to KU it is at their own risk

David Howell 9 years, 10 months ago

You can blame the referees or you can play hard basketball and know you ARE NOT going to get the same calls on the road !

To win @ Mizzou/Misery/Fizzou we must :

  1. Utilize our 5 given fouls per person -- Sometimes I have to wonder if we don't lead the nation in what I call "stupid" fouls.

  2. Either EJ or Travis has to have a stellar game. Both having an above average game would be better.

  3. If we want to shoot as many FT's as our opponent we have to drive to the bucket more and make things happen. Something tells me we are "too in love" with the operating out near the 3-pt. line to make this happen.

  4. Last but not least we can't play just half a game and play anywhere like we did in the 1st half against OU. They have to have a complete game !

Rian Ankerholz 9 years, 10 months ago

I would haith to be the MU Coach who loses the last two of many basketball games over the years to the Jayhawks. MU is no longer under the stewartship of the Golden Age regime, and seems to have lost much luster as a result. Although MU currently enjoys a ranking in the top percentile, that distinction will be as soon forgotten as the lowest quinntile in history. When the Jayhawks emerge victorious this weekend, they will steal another paige from the MU arena’s big box past. Let the Missourians flee to the SEC where another Releford lies in wait, and where the real Tigers attack from Louisiana. As for me, I am content to be manning the venerable Fieldhouse in Lawrence, with a self-confidence that comes from superior leadership and will.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

Dooley noted....And I thought I was blowing today off at work posting!! :)

David Howell 9 years, 10 months ago

You can blame the referees or you can play hard basketball and know you ARE NOT going to get the same calls on the road !

To win @ Mizzou/Misery/Fizzou we must :

  1. Utilize our 5 given fouls per person -- Sometimes I have to wonder if we don't lead the nation in what I call "stupid" fouls.

  2. Either EJ or Travis has to have a stellar game. Both having an above average game would be better.

  3. If we want to shoot as many FT's as our opponent we have to drive to the bucket more and make things happen. Something tells me we are "too in love" with the operating out near the 3-pt. line to make this happen.

  4. Last but not least we can't play just half a game and play anywhere like we did in the 1st half against OU. They have to have a complete game !

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago


I may have to raise the standards for PHOF. Its seems like you're getting the award every day now. :-)

actorman 9 years, 9 months ago

I'm with you on that one, jaybate. I especially love the reference to the Segregated Education Conference.

HawkKlaw 9 years, 10 months ago

By your argument, why would any competent Caucasian student-athletes want to attend there either? You make it sound like anyone that goes to school there supports segregation and MU's evil heritage.

The truth is, MU is no more segregated nowadays than KU is. There's racist dbags that attend both schools. Personally, I'm always on the side of equality. Your tone in that final paragraph just seemed condescending towards African Americans for choosing to go to school at MU. There are a lot of reasons why someone would choose to play ball in Missouri, despite what us KU fans think.

kellerman411 9 years, 10 months ago

This will not be as big of a challenge as any of you think. Missouri is a great team but they match up with KU poorly. They have no answer for T-Rob and their guards will be vastly undersized. Their only shot is to shoot the ball lights out all night long. Even then it will be tight. Relax people, we will win. I promise.

David Howell 9 years, 9 months ago

I was confident until this crazy guarantee to RELAX. With KU basketball you can never ever relax.

If they are close to ON in shooting from 3-pt range we will be in trouble. KU excels at allowing and dareing other teams to continue from 3-pt. range .................

The Baylor Bears weren't worried based on their size either and lost at HOME !

kellerman411 9 years, 9 months ago

That's true. Allowing 3 point shots is just the nature of our defense. Bill preaches a defense that says nothing inside 12 feet and contest every 3 point shot. Contest as in be there with a hand up and lower their 3 point percentage. If they shoot over 50% 3 point, it will be tough to win.

dhinkansas 9 years, 10 months ago

It's too bad the rivalry is ending, but it is what it is. Neither A&M or Mizzou to the SEC seems like a good move, if nothing more than increased travel. Pinkel will find out the SEC is not the old Big 12 North.

dhinkansas 9 years, 10 months ago

It's too bad the rivalry is ending, but it is what it is. Neither A&M or Mizzou to the SEC seems like a good move, if nothing more than increased travel. Pinkel will find out the SEC is not the old Big 12 North.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 10 months ago

HawkKlaw: Are you serious? It appears you may missing the point of all of this, my friend.

Missouri is completely segregated. Kansas, on the other hand, has no racists. We're good, they're evil. See, it's easy.

And what is a Caucasian? Shouldn't it be Caucasian American, if in fact you are to be consistent? If so, where is Caucasia? I am offended at be referred to a being from Caucasia -- or some mountain that formed the word. Hmm. My schoolin', I recall, told me there were three "races" .. Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid. So I am offended. Those latter two might spark a riot. The first is hard to say. As an aside, I said "oriental" yesterday, and got a funny look .. I can't keep up. Is it now Asian-American ... if so, why do we say the continent, not a country? Why are blacks from Jamaica called "African Americans?" Help me. Seems Americans are Americans, with skin tone differences. Either you are, or you aren't. If you have a question, you aren't. I suggest we number the races so they are easily defined .. hey, I'm a 5! Pretty easy. In aphabetical order. 1. Black 2. Light Black .. uh oh, can't do that .. Red doesn't work anymore (I don't think it has for a long time). I do like White, though I'm more peach, I think. I love it when people call me White. Some kid said "that's really white of you." I said "thanks." And I see times when "Black" is capitalized, and "white" is not? No idea there. I do believe Indians are not from India, though, unless you add the red dot. That's easy to define and keep track of. Can that be accounted for? Could we all have dots on our foreheads? I don't know. I just know Indians -- from America -- tend to wear deoderant and talk slower. I prefer the American kind much more. Racist? Maybe .. I just like Americans. Except MU fans. Moron-Americans. Meth-Americans. Delusional, No Final Four, Bad Rappin', Big Ten academic to SEC athletic in minute Americans. Could we have ended the civil war early by just permitting Missouri to cecede? Or sold them back to the Indians .. er, Native Americans .. for some beads. That would have been better. Word is that was offered, and the Indians said no thanks, we'll keep our beads.

Anyway, to answer your question HawkKlaw, Missouri was slave state in the Civil War. We were a free state. That has some equity. You are tied to your sins. Like bailing out the French in two wars. They owe us forever. We all know MU isn't a slave state now. Technicalities. But I hear Pinkell suggested a return to 1850s rules, as another way to close his borders on recruits. No word on the reception in Jefferson City, but Brady Deaton is ok with it -- whatever's best for MU. And perhaps that type of thinking was exactly they were a slave state.

Kye Clark 9 years, 9 months ago


"no thanks, we'll keep our beads."

Love it!

Pitthawk34 9 years, 10 months ago

I have actually read some threads from the tiggers that say that the overall record is closer than it shows. The state that KU was cheating and that is the reason the overall record is not as close as they would like. This is how out of touch the tiggers really are in life.

jhawk38 9 years, 10 months ago

What's really got me pumped too for this game is it's gonna be broadcast in 3D, at least it is for those using DirecTV. Go to Channel 100 and then scroll down five or six lines and you'll see it. GO JAYHAWKS!!!!!!!

Tuskin 9 years, 10 months ago

Turn off your phones tonight, guys! The Antlers would like to disrupt your sleep!

John Randall 9 years, 9 months ago

Knowing that any crackpot theory can be supported by some kind of statistics, and having some time on my hands, I went looking for validation of the claim that the Border War has been dominated on the gridiron and pretty nearly even in one or another fieldhouse.

Here is one startling fact – MU men's basketball has never lost a game against KU during a year when the Gregorian calendar date had a sum of digits with no prime factors smaller than 173.

So now, we can understand why KU cheaters believe the record is one-sided ... they have been counting ALL the games!

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