Monday, December 17, 2012

Bill Self recalls last Richmond game

Marcus (with ball) and Markieff Morris encounter Richmond players in a golf cart at the Alamodome on Thursday, March 24, 2011. During the encounter, Marcus said, “You boys better be ready.”

Marcus (with ball) and Markieff Morris encounter Richmond players in a golf cart at the Alamodome on Thursday, March 24, 2011. During the encounter, Marcus said, “You boys better be ready.”


Four current University of Richmond basketball players and three from Kansas University played in KU’s 77-57 NCAA Tournament Sweet 16 victory over the Spiders on March 25, 2011, in San Antonio.

“We got out on Richmond, 29-9, and played about as well as we could play the first half,” said KU coach Bill Self, whose Jayhawks led, 41-22 at halftime. “We traded baskets the second half. They’ve got a good program.

“We had a chance to take dominance over the city of Richmond that field,” Self added on Monday’s “Hawk Talk” radio show, noting, “we came up short versus VCU, who beat us the next game (71-61 in Elite Eight).”

Richmond’s Darien Brothers started and had five points and Cedrick Lindsay two points, while Derrick Williams and Greg Robbins did not score. For KU, Elijah Johnson had four points and Jeff Withey one rebound. Travis Releford played but did not score.

That was a game in which both teams stared each other down in a hallway prior to pre-game warm-ups.

“We played them in the tournament. Their (Princeton-style) offense is a little different from what we played against,” Releford said. “We’ve been working on it the last few days. It’ll be another interesting game to play.”

McLemore concentrates on KU: Red-shirt freshman guard Ben McLemore, who averages 16.1 points and 5.6 rebounds a game, said Monday he won’t spend a minute thinking about possibly entering the 2013 NBA Draft during this current season.

“I’m just here focusing on college,” said McLemore, who is projected to be picked 17th in the first round by and third by “It’s all I’ve been doing, focusing on school. The semester is over. Now I’m just focusing on basketball. I know a lot of people are talking about NBA. As far as me, I just strictly talk about basketball and school.”

McLemore’s brother, Kevin, is a senior guard at Normandy High in St. Louis.

Is Kevin being recruited by any major colleges?

“Not that I know of,” Ben said. “He’s getting looked at by small schools. He’s just started the season. Things can change.”

Wesley update: KU junior forward Justin Wesley, who broke his left pinkie finger at practice on Dec. 13, could return to action by Dec. 27, Self said.

“They’ll start taping his fingers together here in about two weeks,” Self said. Wesley has appeared in six of KU’s eight games and averages 5.8 minutes, 0.8 points and 1.7 rebounds.

Withey-mania: Fans can follow Jeff Withey’s progress this season at Withey has 50 blocks, an average of 5.6 blocks per game. He has 215 career blocks, 43 shy of tying Greg Ostertag’s KU record.

This, that: KU has won 27 straight games in Allen Fieldhouse and 60 consecutive games against nonconference foes. ... University of Richmond is located in Richmond, Va., with an enrollment of 2,750. ... Richmond’s 69-68 victory in Allen Fieldhouse nine years ago snapped KU’s 52-game nonconference homecourt win streak. Tony Dobbins hit a turnaround jumper with under a second remaining. The Spiders were 9-8 at the time; KU was ranked No. 10 nationally. KU has lost just three home nonconference games in Self’s tenure: to Richmond, Nevada and Oral Roberts. ... Richmond is 7-3 in the last 10 games against ranked teams, with one of the losses coming to No. 2-ranked KU in 2011. Richmond has won eight of its last 13 games against ranked teams. ... Richmond’s 9-2 start is best since the 1988 Sweet 16 team also started 9-2. ... Brothers, a sophomore starter on the 2011 Sweet 16 team, has connected on 51.9 percent of his three-point attempts, which ranks second in the Atlantic 10. The Richmond native has made 28 threes and has 149 for his career, which ranks 10th on Richmond’s all-time list. ... The Spiders have shot over 50 percent from the field in four of the last five games and rank third in the A-10 in field goal percentage at 46.7.


David Leathers 8 years, 9 months ago

"KU has lost just three nonconference games in Self’s tenure..." - In Allen Fieldhouse

Jack Jones 8 years, 9 months ago

I'm really pleased you clarified that extremely important fact.

Chris Shaw 8 years, 9 months ago

Can you name the 3? Without looking it up, I believe it's Nevada, Oral Roberts, and Richmond. Not the schools you would have thought.

Karen Holmes 8 years, 9 months ago

I was at the Sweet 16 game in San Antonio but not the next night's game v VCU. Lots of great memories. Saw a very young Tyler Self and Evan Manning and got my hat signed by all but Tyshawn. Jeff was the easiest to talk with and I told him then "I love your game. Be patient, your time will come." It certainly has. Rock Chalk!

Karen Holmes 8 years, 9 months ago

Dude, all the other Texas and Rock Chalk combinations were taken. What's it matter to you?

Curtis Stutz 8 years, 9 months ago

I think jersey was just trying to make a playful comment about picking up autographs. Sounds like a good time Chalker.

bradynsdad 8 years, 9 months ago

Did anyone ask or did self comment on Anrio during his Hawk Talk radio show?

Lindsey Buscher 8 years, 9 months ago

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monkeehawkSL8 8 years, 9 months ago

The trash talk against VCU fit the biblical "Pride comes before fall" perfectly. I believe a lot of fans enjoy that aspect of the game. I don't, I think it led not only to the loss to VCU in 2011, but last years championship as well. Landfill behavior is not always spoken, standing over someone that you have just dunked on. Sadly while the other team has already crossed mid court and scored. Grabbing a hard fought rebound,
holding the ball with one hand, only to have it stolen and dunked. "Its part of the game". Yes, it is, I would prefer that it was not part of the Jayhawk game. J.G.B.O.D. Just get back on defense. Thank you, let the board trash talk begin.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Totally agree with you.

Kansas basketball should be about playing hard, working hard and letting your game do the talking for you.

Jeremy Wilhelm 8 years, 9 months ago

I hadn't heard about any trash talk going into the NC game but I suppose I see what you mean re: some of the posturing. Then again, there was plenty of posturing going on for any of the teams that have one it in the last 20 years, so I'm not sure you're right about the wins/trash talk connection.

dylans 8 years, 9 months ago

You need swagger. Bill has said he wished this years team would talk more. That being said swagger turns into trash talk rather quickly especially in the eyes of the fans after a loss. Morri (losers) = trash talkers Chalmers(winner) = confidence

monkeehawkSL8 8 years, 9 months ago

I'm not the coach, yup, just asked my wife and she assured me. I believe HCBS is talking about the players talking to each other on the court. "Screen left","Short", "Same team", "Pick him up" etc. With that being said, maybe Bill tells the guys that when they first see the other team to let them know, "you have had a good run, but its over now". I don't think the line between swagger and arrogant thug luv is that thin. This coming from a guy that in my best years had a 4in. vertical leap.

Jack Jones 8 years, 9 months ago

You, and your wife "got it right". + one can't imagine Coach Self 'wanting his players to "trash talk more", or even at all. Not his style - too much class.

Jack Wilson 8 years, 9 months ago

The trash talk deal now is ridiculous. It is much different than it was in the 70s, 80s, and into the 90s. Now, it's all about self-glorification. The pounding of the chests, the screaming at an opponent, all meant to draw attention to the individual and to demean an opponent. That's all part of the deal now.

When did you see Magic Johnson pound his chest and scream at an opponent? Saw the Bo Jackson 30 for 30. What a terrific and humble person. Show me when he did that? Barry Sanders. Larry Bird. Marcus Allen. Michael Jordan. Posing, pounding chests, screaming at opponents? Not so much.

Were they saints? No. They barked at opponents. They talked. But not even close, or in the volume, to what is done today. Today it's a joke. But the nice thing, it is an example of what not to do.

It is an unfortunate turn in our culture that is like a cancer. It starts in one spot, it now creeps into every walk of life because kids think "that" is cool. Or the right way to do things.

What it takes is coaches that are men. That stand up to that crap and coach against it. To demand that it not happen. But it's easier to just accept it because it might be a turnoff to a recruit.

Here's an example that has always bothered me .. our player dunks or makes a layup and gets fouled, or is in another situation, where the opponent hits the deck. Nearly every time, our player just stands there, poses a bit, and doesn't extend a hand to help the other player off the ground. A little thing, but it demonstrates sportsmanship. It doesn't dimish the competitiveness of the game, or the intensity. Extend the hand, help them up. No big deal. I see it few and far between with Self's teams.

What it also shows is class. And class is something the current athletes of our country, by and large, lack.

HawkKlaw 8 years, 9 months ago

You are right HEM. But there are some players that still don't get too involved in the self-glorification.

Think about when BMac blocks a shot vs. when Jeff Withey blocks a shot. BMac's blocks are few and far between, yet anytime he blocks the ball he screams and give the camera a cold stare. Contrast that with Jeff Withey, who blocks shots all the time and when he does he just gets to the other end of the court (no posturing or screaming, for the most part).

It is definitely part of sports culture in America nowadays, but there are some players that still adhere to the old ways.

monkeehawkSL8 8 years, 9 months ago

H.E.M. Thank you, I hope this (your post) is put up in the Hawks locker room. Even better, the KU player handbook. monk

Kevin Huffman 8 years, 9 months ago

You're mentioning the best of the best. There was trash-talk at LEAST back in the '90's. Think Dikembe Mutombo and the wagging finger, Terrell Owens and the mocking of the star, Michael Irvin and well....Michael Irvin. And you mentioned Michael Jordan? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?! One of the worst trash-talkers, toungue waggers EVER!!!! Where do you think all that animosity from him & I. Thomas came from?!?!?!

jhkprd 8 years, 9 months ago

Ben, thanks for the good times this year. Good luck in the NBA.

archercc 8 years, 9 months ago

Word. Anyone who thinks he will be back is delirious or hoping for an injury because, at this pace, there is no reason for him to. Dude has been in beast mode all season.

monkeehawkSL8 8 years, 9 months ago

Hoping for an injury? Ben is such a great young man it would not shock me if he returned to play next year for any number of reasons besides the i word. Signed, delirious monk.

8 years, 9 months ago

Maybe he is a fan of Bo Jackson and will do what he did. Somebody should send him a copy of the 30 for 30 episode.

phishyninja 8 years, 9 months ago

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