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Originally published December 7, 2012 at 12:32p.m., updated December 8, 2012 at 12:19a.m.

Tait

Opinion: TV rights agreement ensures Big 12’s long-term stability

ESPN College Gameday's Rece Davis and Kansas head coach Bill Self scan the Allen Fieldhouse crowd prior to Self's interview on Saturday, Jan. 29, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

ESPN College Gameday's Rece Davis and Kansas head coach Bill Self scan the Allen Fieldhouse crowd prior to Self's interview on Saturday, Jan. 29, 2011 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Throughout Big 12 country, the conference’s “Grant of Rights” agreement has become the phrase du jour. But what does it mean, what does it do and why is it so important?

For starters, it’s the one thing out there that allows Big 12 officials to rest easy at night while the world of conference realignment continues to swirl around them.

The mere fact the Grant of Rights agreement exists is as close to a guarantee as you can get that the conference will be stable for at least the next 13 years. And if those of us who have followed Kansas University football closely throughout the years have learned anything, we know that instability does nothing to promote success.

In its most basic form, the Grant of Rights agreement is written permission by the 10 members of the Big 12 Conference to hand over control of their television rights to the conference for the agreed-upon term of 13 years. The agreement pertains only to the Tier 1 (ESPN/ABC and FOX national games) and Tier 2 (ESPN or FOX regional games) rights and does not include Tier 3 rights, which include endeavors such as The Longhorn Network, Jayhawk Network or any other broadcast produced by the individual schools.

Before we get too far into explaining this thing, it’s important to understand that both the Big Ten and Pac-12 also have Grant of Rights agreements and, because of that, one BCS conference official explained to the Journal-World, all three conferences should be less inclined to poach teams from one another.

“If any conference understands what Grant of Rights means, it’s the Big Ten,” the official said.

With that in mind, if the Big Ten were interested in snagging a school from the Big 12, or even the Pac-12, it would, or at least should, do so with the understanding that the move could weaken the whole GOR concept and, therein, make all three conferences more vulnerable.

Because of that, many within the Big 12 believe its members are as off limits as you can get in today’s world.

Interestingly enough, the SEC has neither a Grant of Rights agreement nor an exit penalty. The ACC, which continues to lose and add members, operates with an exit penalty of $50 million, an amount for which the conference is suing Maryland, which announced recently that it was joining the Big Ten. If the penalty is enforced, many believe the Big Ten will end up paying a large chunk of it to obtain Maryland.

Although there is no concrete dollar value tied to the Big 12’s Grant of Rights agreement, it has been estimated to hold a net worth of more than $250 million per school for the length of the 13-year contract.

Unlike exit fees, which are liquidated damages and can be negotiated in court and proven to be valid or invalid, the GOR agreement is not up for interpretation, according to a report written by Mit Winter of BuisnessofCollegeSports.com. It stands to reason then, that it is much more likely to hold up in court as a legitimate, enforceable contract.

There’s a reason the GOR is perceived by so many within the Big 12 to be a strong-as-oak statement about the members’ commitment to the conference. Not only does it make it tough for a school to leave, but it also makes it even tougher for another conference to open its arms to a Big 12 school.

“Granting of rights is not really a financial issue,” a Big 12 administrator said. “Money can be negotiated, but this issue is a lot more difficult because it affects more than just the member.”

If a team from the Big 12 were to move to the Big Ten in the next 13 years, the rights and, therefore the revenue (except Tier 3), for that Big 12 school’s home football and basketball games would belong to the Big 12, not the Big Ten. Such an occurrence could inspire the Big Ten’s television partners to seek to renegotiate their deal with the conference and could significantly damage the Big Ten’s business plan.

“I don’t think, at this point, that a conference would be willing to take a team if they don’t get their TV rights,” one Big 12 school administrator said. “So, if someone was interested in leaving, you’ve got a situation that really makes it difficult both for the institution and the conference they’re trying to go to.”

So what does all of this mean for Kansas? It’s simple. As has been the case throughout each round of conference realignment, KU’s best option, at both stability and financial gain, is remaining loyal to the Big 12. The GOR makes it nearly impossible for KU to entertain advances from other conferences, of which there seem to be none at the moment. Furthermore, the agreement makes KU far less desirable. Imagine if KU jumped to the Big Ten and played a football game against Michigan or Ohio State at Memorial Stadium and the Big Ten did not get a dime from it. Not happening.

So where does this leave the Big 12? Strong as is. Stronger than ever.

Considering the value of the Big 12’s current TV contracts, along with the revenue that is soon to come as a result of the conference’s partnership with the SEC that created the Champions Bowl, each member of the Big 12 is looking at a guaranteed take of nearly $30 million per year for the length of the contracts.

That sets the bar awfully high for the Big 12 to even entertain the idea of expanding.

“If you’re thinking about taking two schools you’ve gotta go to your TV partners and say, ‘We’re taking these two schools in; we want $60 million more.’ It ain’t gonna happen,” a Big 12 administrator said.

Why not?

Because most high-ranking officials within the Big 12 don’t believe that any schools out there are worth that kind of money.

And why not?

Because that’s what the television partners say.

Comments

Krohnutz 1 year, 11 months ago

I have no problem with staying in the Big 12. I do have a problem with the Big 12 not proactively poaching a couple ACC teams.

Phoghorn 1 year, 11 months ago

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HaasesWeak 1 year, 11 months ago

The reason why teams were leaving earlier was due to the idea that the Big 12 was failing. This gives teams an incentive to stay. If Texas and OU leave, then the remaining teams can pick up some lesser teams and still keep the GOR. So it would be pointless for the big guns to leave. At least that's my understanding of it all.

Phoghorn 1 year, 11 months ago

So is posting bills above urinals, but everybody does it.

Ted Adams 1 year, 11 months ago

Seems to be that you are the only person during these discussions not willing to look at the other side of things and just flat out being a "doom and gloom" a$$, maybe you should check out and come back when you have something new to talk about besides "the ultimate demise of the Big XII". We already know you think it's all over, so take a rest.

Thomas Young 1 year, 11 months ago

You are by far the most annoying poster going in these comments sections. Not in a stupid troll sort of way, but as an arrogant blowhard that hijacks ever discussion with the same pet issue.

Seriously, just go away. Your spiel is no longer interesting.

Thomas Young 1 year, 11 months ago

Fine, ignore the pet issue part. Try concentrating on not being an arrogant blowhard.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

Great question...which you expressed earlier and was hoping the article would explain it...

in addition is there an option to eliminate the GoR without dissolving the Big XII?

I think your question revolves around the idea, if there isn't a conference you can't have the GoR enforced. My question would be, could you get a vote of maybe 6 together, to change the GoR to something else, still keeping the conference, but changing the rules for exiting.

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

I don't get the sense that anyone in the Big 12 is worried about that happening so I didn't get to it. Sorry. Was mostly focused on explaining what it is and not bogging it down with too many hypothetical scenarios.

I'll look into it more down the road and possibly throw it into a blog or a follow-up.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

I have tried to find the answer to that question too. By reading the By-Laws, all major decisions (ie. adding a member, accepting a contract, ect) is done by 3/4 majority. I can't image any more of an important decision than eliminating the GoR. You would have to assume that it would 75% or better.

HaasesWeak 1 year, 11 months ago

You think? That's hardly credible. And the answer "has to be" in the Certificate of Incorporation? How do you know this? You need to cite some sources... you are losing credibility fast.

HaasesWeak 1 year, 11 months ago

I was just asking for you to cite your sources. When did the Big 12 become a Delaware corporation? I'm not calling you a liar... I'm just wondering where you are getting the information. Right now it just seems as though you are saying random things.

kuguardgrl13 1 year, 11 months ago

Delaware has very easy incorporation laws. Many companies are incorporated there. That's been floating around as common knowledge for a few years.

http://corp.delaware.gov/whycorporations_web.pdf

Phoghorn 1 year, 11 months ago

Phoghorn hijacks the thread to thank Mr. Tait for a very informative article.

HaasesWeak 1 year, 11 months ago

What leap? It sounds reasonable as it is all stated in the contract. Exit fees are voted upon and adhered to, nothing is signed off on. A signed contract is one thing that is hard to overturn in court. Your lack of knowledge on this subject is quite humorous.

Phil Leister 1 year, 11 months ago

That's not a huge leap. It's a tiny step. Your logic is very flawed.

Phil Leister 1 year, 11 months ago

You're now putting words into others' mouths. No one EVER said this specific contract is bulletproof. Matt wrote, "...it is much more likely to hold up in court as a legitimate, enforceable contract." He wrote it is MUCH MORE LIKELY to hold up. Just as you acknowledged above, where you wrote that "liquidated damages are more negotiable in court than GoRs (true)". See where you wrote the word true? You agreed with Matt's theory that the GoR is MUCH MORE LIKELY to hold up in court than exit fees.

Again, no one ever said this contract is bulletproof. The only beef that you may have, that I agree with, it Matt uses this logic based on a report written by some guy on a website. Just because one guy writes something doesn't make it true. I, as well, would like to see the actual GoR.

rjhawk 1 year, 11 months ago

RealDeal, 99% of the people on this message board are on the same side, and respect other KU fans. You might be in that other 1%...

I have appreciated reading some of your posts as you often ask questions that get left out of the discussion. Unfortunately, sometimes I read your posts and hope you are a troll rather than a real KU fan.

Ted Adams 1 year, 11 months ago

That "some dude" is an attorney in sports. Here's his bio.

Mit Winter is an attorney in Polsinelli Shughart PC’s Kansas City office, where his practice focuses on commercial litigation. He has represented some of the college sports world’s biggest players, including the NCAA, the Big 12, and Conference USA.

Mit received his J.D. from The University of San Francisco School of Law in 2005.

Prior to law school, Mit received a B.A. in History and a minor in Biology from The College of William & Mary in 2001. Mit was also a four year letter winner on the William & Mary Men’s Basketball team and started 54 games during his career. William & Mary was the Colonial Athletic Association regular season co-champion during his freshman year. Mit holds the record for the most points scored in a game (36) by a William and Mary men’s player at William and Mary Hall, W&M’s current home arena, and for the most free throws made in a game by a W&M men’s player (17).

Mit’s experience as a former Division I athlete, in combination with his experience as a practicing attorney who has represented some of college sports’ most prominent entities, allows him a through understanding of the college sports world’s business and legal issues and provides readers with a unique perspective.

Jeez, you're such a crap digger. Ever thought about looking at this topic from a positive perspective?

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

Precisely the reason I decided to cite his article. He knows this thing, from a legal sense, far better than I do.

Andrew Washington 1 year, 11 months ago

Nice to see people asking intelligent questions on here. Are you a KU law grad real_deal?

Robin Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

intelligent would know that 99% haven't taken Corporate Law 101 and that being a jerk is a good way to spoil your message :D

let your knowledge do the talking Real Deal.

Debate 101 would tell you that if you build a strong argument you don't have to be forceful.

Robin Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

beautiful response and maybe you could respond to my post at the bottom of the page, since I have not taken Corporate Law 101

don't forget to bring the heat :D

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

I said it in a previous email: If KU goes to the Big Ten, play all of its "home" games at Arrowhead. The Big Ten keeps the revenue.

As for Basketball, it gets a little trickier, but I would point out, the majority of basketball games fall to Tier 3, so it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

So if KU wants out, they use the above to negotiate an out for a lot less.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

If Kansas leaves the Big12 and joins the B1G, no matter where the game is, Kansas's share of the TV money is the Big12. And your point about the Basketball being Tier3 and is a 'big of a deal', B1G teams give their Tier3 rights back the conference. There wouldn't be no Tier3 money for Kansas in B1G. It is a big deal.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

Read the GoR, it says "Home" Games. Arrowhead is NOT the home of the Jayhawks.

The GoR does not affect Tier 3 rights, therefore it isn't a barrier to exit out of the Big XII. You would give those rights to the Big Ten, but you have those rights without them being influenced by the Big XII. Of the $20MM/yr allocated to KU, probably <$1MM is allocated to KU for Home Basketball games.

Again, I would point out, that you would use the above to negotiate an out of the conference. I would never suggest operating 13 years with that contract.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

I poorly wrote the first sentence. I have not read it, everything references "home" games.

Phil Leister 1 year, 11 months ago

You said it, this is a 13 year thing. If KU elects to play their "home" games at Arrowhead (thus, not actually playing a home game) they'd have to do so for the next 13 years. You really think KU would not play a game at Memorial Stadium for the next 13 years just to jump conferences?

It doesn't matter if you use the above to negotiate out of the conference. The Big12 has the rights to every KU home fball game for the next 13 years.

championhawks 1 year, 11 months ago

Maybe that will give them time to upgrade the stadium. Add some more seats to get up to B1G numbers and remove the track...

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

Tier 1 and Tier 2 football games would be played at Arrowhead and Tier 3 could still be played at Memorial.

Again this is leverage just to get out of the GoR.

Most non-conference games are Tier 3 (at least the ones KU plays). In addition, games like Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa, might not make the Tier 1 or Tier 2 until one or both of those teams becomes good. Remember the key is to make your Tier 3 improve as well, and KU brings a lot to Tier 3.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

TV Rights are not divided by HOME, AWAY or NEUTRAL. All of Tier1 and Teir2 TV rights that Kansas earns in the next 13 years are owned by Big12 no matter where the game is played.

Your point about negotiating Tier3 rights are a moot point, we wouldn't own Tier3 rights in the B1G.

Here is what you should take from this article - GoR is Bullet-Proof. Kansas is not leaving for the B1G.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

What do you mean TV Rights are not divided by Home away or neutral?

The rights to the KU against Northern Illinois were not monies that went to the conference.

oldalum 1 year, 11 months ago

I believe the article says Tier 3 rights are not involved, just Tier 1 and 2.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

Yes, your are right. The Big12 GoR doesn't involve Tier3 Revenue but the B1G owns all Tier3 rights of the members. So if Kansas goes to the B1G, they give up their Tier1 and Tier2 Rights to the Big12 and give up 100% of their Tier3 rights in exchange for 1/16the of the revenue of the SEC Network. NOT A GOOD TRADE.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

You think this GoR is ironclad and that is the whole point it isn't.

Also, we wouldn't get anything associated with the SEC.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

I didn't read anything in this article that says that GoR is flexible or negotiable. In fact, I believe the main point of Tait's story is completey contradictory to your point of view. I used the term Bullet-Proof in other posts.

I think you are wrong and you think I am wrong. Welcome to the internet.

Ted Adams 1 year, 11 months ago

Actually, only 6 of KU's 33-42 games this year will be Tier 3. Of those, none are marquee matchups. Don't get me wrong, KU is Top 5 in Tier 3 rights $$$, so they DO have a pretty big hammer, contrary to popular belief that this is all about football money. KU's place in all this is pretty similar to N. Carolina, which is #1 in Tier 3 money. Except, they don't have the GoR in their conference, and there isn't anyone in that league with half a decent football team that will sign on to do that in the ACC.

NikeCortez 1 year, 11 months ago

If Kansas leaves the BXII, and joins the BIG, giant monkeys will fly out of Charlie Weis' keester. Did you really that that the B1G wants to 1. SUCK more 2.Add zero media footprint ??

kuguardgrl13 1 year, 11 months ago

I believe it is still considered a home game if you wear your home uniforms and have your marching band do the pregame show and go after the away band at halftime (if there is another band). When the Border Showdown still existed, KU and Mizzou would trade-off. Sprint Center basketball games are still listed as home games on the schedule. As the article says above: there are very few incentives for KU to leave the Big 12. No one in the administration or athletics is talking about leaving. Hypothesizing is a waste of time and makes you look dumb. Forfeiting TV monies to the Big 12 for 13 years and giving the B1G our Tier 3 rights will only hurt us.

texashawk10 1 year, 11 months ago

If KU played every home game at Arrowhead, Arrowhead would then be considered KU's official home field and not only would KU lose that money, KU would also become a laughing stock for playing all of its home games in another state.

Kyle Sybesma 1 year, 11 months ago

Great Article Matt. Much needed information. Thank You

Is it fair to say that the B1G is adding schools because their TV contract will be renewed soon and they want to be in as many TV markets as possible to max out that contract?

My point is.... Why are the TV partners saying it's OK for the B1G to add and not the Big 12?

championhawks 1 year, 11 months ago

So how does a school like Florida St. not able to bring more tv revenue? It would bring a market that the Big XII isn't tapping into at all. Wouldn't that bring more tv sets to the tv partners, and therefore the Big XII would be able to cash in on more money to bring them aboard?

Could you explain that and why that isn't the case?

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

What you've said makes sense and is correct, but it's my understanding that while Florida State would add value and markets it would not match the number needed to keep the payout where it currently is. Therefor, even though the value goes up, each school's cut goes down even if it's just a little.

90sHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Heck, if FSU doesn't bring the value up enough to increase each team's share, who does? Sorry folks, but doesn't look like the Big 12 is gonna expand

nihar78 1 year, 11 months ago

It's hard to believe ESPN when they tell the Big 12 that FSU would not add enough value to maintain/increase the payout. ESPN owns pretty much all of the ACC's media rights (tier 1-3) and they have a conflict of interest when advising the Big 12 on adding schools that are already a part of their portfolio. FSU would add tremendous value to the Big 12. However, ESPN told the Big 12 that they would only pay more for Notre Dame (which isn't in the ESPN portfolio). We could have added FSU and Clemson and that would have increased out footprint, recruiting base, markets, and provided even more marquee matchups. However, that would have decreased the value of ESPN's ACC media rights so they didn't want to see that happen.

The Big 10 has their own television network and the SEC will start one soon. They want to add schools to increase the number of tv sets that they can show their respective networks on and that will provide content for their networks (that's where KU bball comes in). As a result, they are less beholden to ESPN when making their expansion decisions.

The grant of rights will likely prevent any Big 12 school from leaving immediately but as those 13 years continue to tick away the GoR becomes less and less of a deterrent.

d_prowess 1 year, 11 months ago

I don't think Matt was saying it would not lead to more TVs and thus money. But it wouldn't bring in enough money to make it worth splitting the pie by 11 or 12 instead of 10. The only way it does not take money away from the current 10 schools is if any new school increases TV revenue by at least $30 million a year.

Krohnutz 1 year, 11 months ago

Those are the only three I'm looking at, but once the Maryland lawsuit shakes out, I think those teams are ready to go. I fail to see why the Big 12 would not already have an invite in place for at least Florida State.

Joe Baker 1 year, 11 months ago

Excellent point Kro. The MD suit will determine what happens going forward. I think plans are in place and admins eagerly await results. The MD case will set the standard.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd add Pitt to the mix, would be great to renew their rivalry with WVU and give the B12 a footprint in Pennsylvania.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

But WVU did? Take a look at the population of just the Pittsburgh metro area vs. states like WVU, KS, OK, IA. Then look at the state of PA.

championhawks 1 year, 11 months ago

WVU seemed like an addition because the Big 12 was desperate (aka about to fall apart).

Big 12 needs to add teams with value, and if Florida St. apparently can't bring enough value, I can't imagine Pitt does

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

Now you're assuming FSU would leave if the Big12 asked them to. FSU brings about as much value as anyone in the nation.

championhawks 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm not assuming anything. I'm using Florida St. as an example because they have been rumored as a possible target for the Big XII.

And you are proving my point for me by saying that FSU brings about as much value as anyone in the nation. Matt is saying that FSU doesn't bring enough value to keep the yearly payout per school at the same amount it is at now. So how would Pitt?

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

True, I wasn't basing any comments in this thread with what Matt said up above, which I just don't believe to be legitimate. I find it hard to believe FSU wouldn't bring enough value to not only keep it equal but grow everybody's slice of the pie. Otherwise how would the B1G profit from bringing in Maryland, their schools are doing at least as well as the B12 (especially with the B1G Network) and MD athletics are not the cash cow that FSU athletics are.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

The Big12 could add just GA Tech, FSU and Clemson and stay at 13. We could wait there until Notre Dame makes another decision. Playing 5 ACC games after all the good ACC football schools go away won't help their SOS.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

Real_Deal, that's like saying Iowa St. gives the B12 Omaha as a market and getting Nebraska back wouldn't add value.

TaCityHawkFan 1 year, 11 months ago

Matt,

Thanks for the article! I know you have been working on it for a while now with the comments from recent "Tale of the Tait" posts this past week.

The information here is great and I hope that the reasoning that this is a legitimate, enforceable agreement holds up. One thing I am not clear on, is it all of their rights or only what would be considered home, Big 12 games? You gave the example that if Kansas plays Ohio St. or Michigan in Lawrence that B1G would not get the revenue. What about if we play at Ohio St or Michigan? What about neutral site?

Thanks for all of the info!

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

The GoR applies to all Tier1 and Tier2 TV Revenue. Home, away or neutral. And, also remember, all B1G schools gives the conference their Tier3 rights too. So the $10-11 millions that we make from the Jayhawk Network that we don't share now, also goes away.

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

Glad you found it helpful. It's really quite simple but also fairly complex at the same time. Weird.

To answer your question, it's my understanding that it's the rights to all home games. I'll check to make sure I'm viewing that right.

Jeff Kilgore 1 year, 11 months ago

You seem to be nearing an honorary law degree. Nice work!

TaCityHawkFan 1 year, 11 months ago

Thank you both for the insights. I will be interested to hear the definitive answer on exactly what the GORs includes (i.e. Tier 1 and Tier 2... but that means only our home games or all games not on Tier 3) and to what level. I know we are not on the B1G radar or do not seem to be. I am simply trying to gauge how secure this makes the conference from being poached.

TaCityHawkFan 1 year, 11 months ago

To put what I am thinking of in different terms... The TV contract is worth about $30 million per year. But that isn't the value per year of the Grant of Rights, is it? That is our payout, if we leave, we won't get that anyway. The value of home games in Lawrence is probably not nearly as excessive as Norman or Austin meaning their Grant of Rights is much bigger than ours.

Now, if it is what I am thinking of, it is the value of a Big 12 team having left the conference playing on Tier 1 and 2 networks and all of the revenue coming from that would go to the Big 12. So, if Iowa St. (for pure hypothetical simply to demonstrate the effects) goes to the B1G and plays 9 conference games (any mix of home and away) the RIGHTS to all of the TV airtime and thus revenue would go to the Big 12.

Not sure that is even possible. It seems that it has to be much more of a deterrent than being out your revenue from home games. If that is what the GOR is then it would probably be a smaller cut since the team would not be helping the new leagues TV contract revenue but I would expect them to get revenue none-the-less from that contract. Not as crippling depending on how exactly it would play out should someone leave. Plus, a conference is not going to take a team that they actually lose money on for the rest of the teams in the conference. Since they are going for markets rather than teams, if they do not get the sets in that market because of the GOR, then they are not likely to take the team. Same reason that we would only take a team that collectively would raise the value and payout of our contract.

... but I digress.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

The article doesn't address one of the key lawsuit issues that Maryland will hold on to, which is applicable to the Big XII contract. The contract was issued in the middle of the year. Prior to the extension of the contract the GoR was for like 4 years of which 2 years will be up in June. If a team were to leave early, they could reference the point Maryland is making that the contract can't be held until the beginning of the next year. If that were true, KU (or another team) could say we really owe two years of Grant of Rights. In addition, they could reference the previous dollar amount of the contract and leave for somewhere in the neighborhood of $20-$30 MM and not the $250MM estimate.

I personally believe if the Big Ten comes to KU, KU will be able to leave for a reasonable negotiated amount.

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

Again, I didn't want to bog this thing down with hypotheticals. You may be right (although I think the first GOR was 6 or 7 years, not 4) and some of what you say could happen, but it does not change the fact that I sincerely believe there is no contact between KU and the B1G at the moment and may never be...

jgkojak 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd argue FSU would bring enough $$ - its just the partner school, even Ga Tech, being able to deliver enough bang for buck.

I've argued if the B12 wanted this iron-clad grant of rights stick at 10 member thing, they should have added BYU instead of WVU -

-better academics -better athletics -out of the fray between the Big East and ACC - its likely WVU would have gotten the ACC nod over Louisville

jgkojak 1 year, 11 months ago

By the way- let me note-

WOW! REAL REPORTING IN THE LJW! A STORY WITH FACTS NOT AVAILABLE ON GOOGLE OR WIKIPEDIA WITH ACTUAL IN-DEPTH REPORTING!

Too bad this is only available on the sports page.

pepper_bar 1 year, 11 months ago

This article seems designed to support Matt's pre-existing theory that the GOR is bulletproof. It isn't.

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

Not designed to do anything other than state facts as I've been told.

I should point out than nearly everyone I talked to for this article said "Everything's negotiable," but each went on to stress that a situation like some are suggesting here would be hard to envision because of how difficult it would be on both the member and the new conference...

pepper_bar 1 year, 11 months ago

"A situation like some are suggesting here"... not sure what you mean. People have suggested dozens of potential situations here, a natural confused reaction to the lack of detail in your article.

Jack Jones 1 year, 11 months ago

My oh My - "seems designed" - "bullet proof. I isn't" And you authority! vs your" opinion IS?

ahpersecoachingexperience 1 year, 11 months ago

Got it, we play every football game on the road for 13 years! Our record would remain unchanged. BIG her we come!!!!

Phoghorn 1 year, 11 months ago

I was gonna suggest that the B1G take KU and KSU (they would have to be AAU first). Then KU can play home games in Manhattan and KSU can use Memorial Stadium for a few years. WHEEEEE this could be fun.

Vernon Riggs 1 year, 11 months ago

I don't read in the article that it matters home, away or neutral that it matters, all of Kansas' Tier1 and Tier2 revenue is owned by the Big12. Kansas has given their rights to all of their TV revenue (except Tier3) to the Big12 for the next 13 years no matter what conference they play in. And if Kansas goes to the B1G, Tier3 is then owned by the B1G and not Kansas. There is no suggestion that would give back Tier 1 and 2 TV money that would make it back to Kansas. The only TV money that Kansas would recieve in the B1G is 1/16th of the Tier3 money. And, that sum is far less than the $10-11 million per year that we make off the Jayhawk Network.

2008KUGrad 1 year, 11 months ago

I could not stomach seeing that much purple in our beloved Allen Fieldhouse.

jgkojak 1 year, 11 months ago

KSU will never be an AAU school - they are so far away from that distinction its not even funny - even Nebraska and Syracuse couldn't hold on to their AAU status - so its pretty tough - and -- get this--

AGRICULTURE RESEARCH isn't counted as real research $$$ by the AAU - so no way in hell KSU qualifies.

Jeff Kilgore 1 year, 11 months ago

The fact that Ag research is not considered research is a joke, that is, unless people have stopped eating, which, looking at those waddling into Walmart, they haven't.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

I apologize that this isn't directly related to GoR, but my question is if this is all about TV Markets, the Big XII is the most vulnerable.

KSU, Baylor, TCU, and OSU provide no TV markets, in addition, one would question how much TTU and ISU bring as well.

If TV is driving the realignment, TV will push for the dissolving of the Big XII over the ACC. The ACC is maybe more basketball centric, it still holds some of the key TV markets.

I could see TV wanting to dissolve the Big XII, so schools like those mentioned above, they wouldn't have to pay $20MM/year to get.

I still think Wake Forest is the only one from the ACC is less desirable from a TV Market perspective.

Again if you add academics into the picture, the ACC seems to have the strength there as well.

jgkojak 1 year, 11 months ago

KU brings the Kansas CIty market, and in competition with whatever piece of that market the SEC gets with Missouri, is probably worth the B1Gs attention - especially since the combo of KU and Nebraska in KC makes it worthwhile.

OU and OSU are a combined market, because those schools are linked by their legislature.

I'd argue Texas and TTU are linked - its no good to bring Texas unless you bring 1 other Texas school (TCU could count I guess) from another part of the state.

ISU has their AAU status - if we go to 16 team conf. and the ACC survives, the B1G will have to eventually snag ISU over Iowa's objections.

Baylor and KSU are really the two that seem to be the most on the outs. Mountain West?

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

I agree in principle to what you mean, except as pots get bigger, it will be harder for OU to drag its little brother along.

Phil Leister 1 year, 11 months ago

I'll agree with this. All articles about the GOR, whether it appears on this site, ESPN, CBSSports, etc, never shows the actually document. It just cites "sources" and such. I'd like to read the actual thing.

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

I'll see what I can do about getting it... Until I get ahold of it, though, I have to go with the opinions/analysis of people in the conference I trust, people who know far more than me about this matter.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

I wonder how worthwhile it would be for the B12 to invite DePaul and Marquette as basketball only schools. Not sure how it works with the BE between football/non-football schools, but it would allow the B12 to legitimately have 12 schools but not share the majority of the money with the new guys and possibly expand the tv footprint of the conference overall. Or you could look at Butler or SLU.

championhawks 1 year, 11 months ago

I would hate to see the Big XII to start adding basketball only schools. I think this would hurt down the road, just like it is killing the Big East. It also doesn't get a football championship game, so it wouldn't make sense to go to 12.
I agree with the view of not expanding just for the sake of expanding, and I think adding any of these schools would fall into that category

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

I understand some of your points, but that's not what's killing the BE. What killed the BE was simply the ACC poaching teams mostly driven by Miami which is almost ironic. It doesn't preclude adding more football schools whenever that point comes to get back to a fball champ game. It could bring in more money from the bball contracts while keeping fball money the same while not obliterating geographical continuity. Not saying it's an obvious move, but it doesn't affect anything fball oriented.

championhawks 1 year, 11 months ago

I understand that it wouldn't change anything football wise, but does it really strengthen the conference? Everyone talks about football being the driving force of realignment, so adding smaller basketball schools, to me at least, doesn't strengthen the conference.

And I would have to disagree that not having a strong football conference is not what killed the Big East. They lost an automatic BCS bid and their tv contract is probably not as strong as it could be with a strong football presence. The schools the ACC and Big 10 poached have football programs (other than ND but they have the 5 game deal worked in). Now I know that the Big XII is no where near being as weak football wise, I don't think that adding teams for just basketball strengthens the conference.

Curtis Stutz 1 year, 11 months ago

I never said lacking good football teams didn't kill the Big East, in fact I said it started by losing their biggest football school, Miami. They took VaTech and BC with them and eventually WVU leaving pushed it off the cliff. You said having basketball only schools killed the Big East, try reading your own comments before you "disagree" with things I never even said.

Ryan Gerstner 1 year, 11 months ago

Matt, good article subject. I would have liked to have seen an opinion from an attorney in the article because it seems like all contract disputes end up being resolved in court one way or another. If this were 100% true on the GoR, KU wouldn't waste their time talking with the Big 10. There's something we don't know here. Either we don't believe the GoR is bullet proof or we can see enough teams leaving the league were it would dissolve. Something isn't adding up.

Matt Tait 1 year, 11 months ago

Always time to talk with an attorney if things really get heated up. As it stands right now, though, KU is not being courted nor looking to leave, whether people want to believe that or not.

If that changes, we've got a long list of articles we can follow up with. And we will.

wtfusa 1 year, 11 months ago

You really believe that Grey-Little or Zenger hasn't had a informal conversation with Delaney? Maryland President Loh said in the B1G press conference that there had been conversations with the B1G for years, nothing serious for awhile, but nevertheless they were talking about the realignment climate.

Michael Maris 1 year, 11 months ago

Matt, how many different names does the Big XII Conference have trademark names to? I remember seeing this information some time ago. But, I can't remember all of the trademark names that they have possession of? Thanks.

ltownatrain 1 year, 11 months ago

I remember that too and if I am correct I believe they own the names for Big 8 all the way to Big 18 minus Big 10 of course.

LawHawk2011 1 year, 11 months ago

I expected more than a few poorly explained facts linked together by conjecture. I'm disappointed, Mr. Tait.

Jack Jones 1 year, 11 months ago

Trust disappointment isn't new to you. Mr. Law.

Stephan123 1 year, 11 months ago

$50 million exit fee in the ACC. Was that not intended as a "lock"? The Big 10 has GOR. Another intended "lock"?

Phil Leister 1 year, 11 months ago

The GoR lock is worth about about $390 million. So, I'd say such a lock is much less likely to be broken than the $50 million lock.

Ethan Berger 1 year, 11 months ago

My two cents, if we must leave, leave. If we don't need to leave, don't leave.

Phil Leister 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm not sure why people are discussing how we may be able to get out of the Big12 and go to the B1G. The whole point of this article is that we stand to make loads of money in the next 13 years, and the incentive for us, and any other Big12 school, to leave is greatly diminished. What does the B1G offer that we don't currently have? Football's all that matters here, so are we hoping to find something that the Big12 football teams don't offer? Newsflash: top to bottom, the Big12 is the strongest football conference (every team except for KU is bowl eligible). If we are going to take basketball into consideration, which is silly, the B1G won't give us any more exposure or competitiveness than our current situation.

Why anyone is offering conjecture about us moving conferences is beyond me. What we should be discussing is the benefits/drawbacks about adding a Florida State or Clemson.

Phil Leister 1 year, 11 months ago

I can only hope this is sarcasm... because football is definitely all that matters in these talks.

Justin Lindsley 1 year, 11 months ago

Agree. We stand to make as much if not more than most everyone else over the next 13 years. In 13 years at the rate of technology who knows what the TV landscape will look like? Things could be quite different by then. Maybe schools that moved recently will want to move again. Maybe the NCAA will implode and a new organization will spring up and throw all the power conferences in a pool and draw names. Who knows for sure. I think KU is in good spot for the "foreseeable" future.

Remember!!!! No Big 12 school was forced to sign the GOR. They all CHOSE to sign it. I can't imagine signing such a contract without putting a little thought into it. My guess is we are making a big deal out of nothing. The only change to the Big 12 would be adding someone. And that seems less than likely at this point.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

The problem is there are a number of people who are jealous of the schools who have more realignment value than KU. They are also frustrated that KU has no value to another conference. They don't like that UT and OU has more power than the other members and can't believe our basketball program doesn't help us.

They didn't like it when MU, NU, and A&M fans left and began trashing the Big 12 and reinforced that no one wanted KU and that they were no longer under UT control. Many people hated that because they want to be doing the same thing.

Believe me if KU got invited to the Big 10 or Pac 12 there would be a vocal group of people who would be just as obnoxious as MU and NU fans were when they left the conference.

Tony Bandle 1 year, 11 months ago

I will add my four cents [adjusted for current inflation]....one thing everyone seems to ignore is the human capacity for short-sightedness, greed, stupidity and member measuring.

Despite everything that has been brought forward in the previous posts, every articulated stipilation, legalese phrasing and "ironclad" guarantee...if there exists a way around this GOR, it will be discovered and utilized.

I will bet anything with any of you that this conference will not be the same in 13 years.....hell, it may not be the same in 13 weeks!!

Still, Matt, for what it is, a very, very nice article. Thanks.

Steve Hillyer 1 year, 11 months ago

I'm probably not going to be able to articulate this very well but I'll try anyway, the money going to the Big 12 and Big 10 is coming from the same source, the conferences aren't really doing anything without the consent of the networks, if the Big 10 wants to extend an invitation to KU I'm sure ESPN and FOX (who is majority owner of BTN) consented and will still be paying the conferences their money as well as make money from televising the games. I can see if KU ended up going to the SEC for some reason where CBS has a contract to televise the games things could get complicated, but if a school is going from one conference to another and each is getting paid from the same source I think it would be easy to do.
It has been reported in legitimate media (non Twitter, blog junk) that the Big 10 has vetted KU, I'm quite positive the Big 10 was aware of the GOR when they started the vetting, so they must think the GOR is not "ironclad".

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

So conferences by TV rights would be interesting. So rename the SEC the CBS conference, and the Big XII the FESPNOX conference.

Sounds fun.

Tony Bandle 1 year, 11 months ago

Slight tweaks, SECBS, TENBC, ESPACN, FOX12

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

It is predictable that people are trashing the article because it essentially takes off the table two items that many on this forum want to see happening. The first is KU leaving the Big 12. Grant of rights pretty much shuts that door. The other is having the Big 12 expand for the sake of expanding. That also does not appear likely.

This is all about financial stability. Right now, if KU went to the Big 10, they might actually take in less revenue. The Big 10 Network paid about $8M per school for the 3rd tier rights which is roughly equal to what KU got by keeping its third tier rights in the Big 12. The Big 12 has done a great job in increasing the revenues in a very short period of time.

As for expansion, I think it is important to understand that the Big 12 model is different than the Big 10's. The Big 10 is trying to get revenue by expanding its network into other parts of the country. The Big 12 has no network and sells the strong brands (UT, OU) to the networks to get a lucrative media package. Allowing every school to take control of its Tier 3 rights certainly created problem when the Longhorn Network was formed, but we should realize that KU does pretty well selling its Tier 3 rights. It's not the $15M from the Longhorn network, but I have read where it is between $8-10M which is quite nice.

90sHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Pretty good post. My takeaway from the article is the GOR are not ironclad, by any means. And when the door is only 99% closed, a lawyer will find a way to slip through that crack.

Ted Adams 1 year, 11 months ago

Matt brings up a very interesting point in his article.

The Pac12 and B1G have had GoR. No teams have left either league in all this mess. The Big Least, ACC, and BigXII DID NOT have GoR and all have lost teams. The BigXII now HAS GoR. I would venture to say that the SEC will soon have GoR, if it hasn't done so already since the addition of MU and TA&M.

It seems that you now have 4 solid leagues, and the rest aren't going to ever have GoR until the merry-go-round stops for the Big 4 conferences.

Seems the Big XII now understands what they should have done years ago with the GoR.

90sHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Less GOR I think, and more about money and geography/academics. Take the Pac-12 for instance, was U of A or Cal going to leave the Pac even without a GOR? Not a chance. Big Ten is printing money, so was Minnesota gonna leave for the Big 12? Nope.

Brian Skelly 1 year, 11 months ago

I'll parrot off of kusteveh as well. I know ive mentioned this before in all these realignment rants. I think KU is in a strong place media wise. Pac12/Big10 are ostensibly Fox. SEC/ACC is ostensibly ESPN. From what I've understood, we (Big 12) have the most 'split' media set up with ABC/ESPN vs. Fox. We're in a good place to play each 'side' (ESPN / Fox) off each other. It benefits both of them as well, because we dont force either to take on to much inventory. It benefits the conference with multiple outlets for viewing. My guess is as well in future years, once "Fox Sports 1" gets rolling -- Fox's run at ESPN they'll even be more of that.


As for Grant of Rights, my questions for the detractors is what else is there to show folks they are together? A Wedding Ceremony? I agree that no legal arrangement is entirely fool proof. But if 3 of the "Big 6" (now turning into Big 5) -- Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12 have it and 3 others that dont -- ACC, Big East, SEC, which do you think has more of a chance of staying together? So maybe its not "ironclad". But what's the obscene threshold level that one would need to see to believe it? I love how there seems to be folks that think someone who's never passed the Bar Exam could unwind this on a casual afternoon and it would be total anarchy and doom.


I still think the reason the rumblings about the ACC likely wont subside -- although it doesnt mean they arent around another 20 years -- is the fact that of the major conferences, they clearly get the least amount of money per school. And at its core, thats really what this is all about. Money... and the TV sets to provide it. It's not the year to year money either. It's the 10-20 year projections where the differences start to show.

Robin Smith 1 year, 11 months ago

without having much additional knowledge to offer aside from reports seen here, elsewhere, and the informed comments of my fellows

my gist is that GoR is about as strong a commitment as there will be for any conference almost ever, even if it's a breakable deal

am I wrong? or do we think it possible to get conference members to agree to something more ironclad?

Brian Skelly 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd agree Bill. I just dont know what else you'd expect to be done. I dont trust UT either. But since the conference now holds all the schools rights to top tier revenues, I dont know what else could be done. Your right that nothing is 100% lawyer proof. But in my view, from whats out there in the current landscape, the GoR is going to be a far bigger deterrant from someone leaving than those conferences that are merely having exit penalties.

Brian Skelly 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd agree Bill. I just dont know what else you'd expect to be done. I dont trust UT either. But since the conference now holds all the schools rights to top tier revenues, I dont know what else could be done. Your right that nothing is 100% lawyer proof. But in my view, from whats out there in the current landscape, the GoR is going to be a far bigger deterrent from someone leaving than those conferences that are merely having exit penalties.

JayHok 1 year, 11 months ago

All this bragging from Quantril's raiders fans and there is no exit fee from the SEC? No grant of rights? And the big 12, per team currently makes about the same (maybe more) per team? And Quantril's guys would prefer to not have their own 3rd tier deal if possible, unless of course Bama and LSU strike deals first with ESPN, because they're banking on the SEC network, trusting this is the end all and be all.

Fascinating how poor of a decision Quantril's guys made by rushing into a decision before even listening to what Neinas had to say. Now their basketball team doesnt have the key assistant coach who made them look so great at times last year, Newton?, and losing Dixon, a huge part of their fluidity last year to go with Newton's coaching. And their best football recruiter, OC, who pulled in DGB, has decided to leave after fans ran him off.

I am very happy to play Colorado again. I fully support that decision. Colorado left for the right reasons. Quantril's guys, on the other hand, stirred the trouble from the beginning and kept it going with all kinds of embarrassing ovatures.

Proud of the big 12 and what Neinas did.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

I really wonder if the MU guys are looking back wondering if they made the right decision. Of course, they will never admit it. By the way, these networks are no slam dunk to make revenue. I read where the Pac 12 network is struggling to get cable providers to sign up at the fees they are demanding. There is no guarantee the SEC network will rival the Big 10 Network.

Compared to where we were a year ago, we are in great shape for the future given our limitations in geography and football strength.

Brian Skelly 1 year, 11 months ago

I dont think MU will regret it. At least not in the $$$ and sense department. On the field is a whole other story however.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

Because even though they may get money they will have to spend a lot more money to be competitive with the top teams in the SEC. I'm taking spending an additional $20m to get to the middle of the SEC. Even if they get an additional $10m for moving which isn't likely, they probably don't aren't that much better off for having moved.

wtfusa 1 year, 11 months ago

The PAC12 network will be fine. The same thing happened when the BTN was being created, and guess what, major providers like Comcast surrendered to the massive pressure costumers where putting on them in the Big Ten footprint. The Big12 porch to TV is pitiful. The Longhorn Network does nothing to take advantage of the fellow Big12 institutions that have alumni in Texas, and thats why it is failing.

Chris1955 1 year, 11 months ago

The reason the LHN is failing in Texas is due to the greed of the LHN. I live in Houston. I have Direct TV. The LHN is not available on Direct TV. To my knowledge, none of the Houston area cable providers offer the LHN.

So, Houston is the biggest city in Texas and no one can view the LHN. Is that smart marketing or greed?

texashawk10 1 year, 11 months ago

I think LHN is on U-Verse now which I know a fair number of UT fans in Houston that have it which means they have access to it. LHN would love to be on Comcast or DirectTV, but U-Verse is a good start. I've also pretty much had a suspicion in the back of my head that ESPN is eventually going to turn the LHN into a Big 12 network so that they can get traction with other major providers. I don't know what the language in that contract is, but I would imagine there's some kind of clause in there for ESPN to do something like that if the LHN is a big enough failure which it is.

Joe Baker 1 year, 11 months ago

The way I see it, they went from what they viewed as "bad" to what I think is worse. I know many TAM fans and they were literally sick and tired of UT. I understand to a degree. They felt like UT's proverbial beeotch. Now, MU and TAM are simply LSU and Bama's beeotches. LSU and Bama are the OU and UT of the SEC. If you know sports, you know that football is king in this whole mess. The way I see it, OU and UT are/were obviously the two strongest football schools in the B12. KU should be glad OU is around because it's their football program that has kept the B12 relevant in these realignment talks. This makes many in the non-football B12 schools uneasy. If you look, the football programs are OU, OSU, UT(not this yr), TT, Baylor, and KSU. KU is in a really vulnerable position right now in all these talks. I really don't think bball will sustain KU. I've been in denial, but beginning to see the light of whole BCS thing. I don't like what I see for KU's history in D1 sports.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

Which conference members benefited the most by agreeing to the Grant of Rights? I'm sure it was Baylor, KU, KSU, and Iowa State more so that UT, OU and their in-state partners. We should be happy with the current situation. What is wrong with being the Big 12? Five of the original Big 8 schools remain there. The geographic footprint is still relatively small. It is easy to get to Texas from Kansas. We get all of our football games televised and we have a place to showcase our basketball program.

Justin Lindsley 1 year, 11 months ago

RIght on! Couldn't have said it better myself.

jgkojak 1 year, 11 months ago

This is all solved with an 8 team play-off --

if you create a play-off that takes the top FIVE conf. champs (as ranked by the BCS) and the top three at-larges -- the ACC and Mountain West will compete every year for that 5th slot. If you take the top SIX conf.. champs (which is what should be done) then you completely end all of this BS.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

Matt- do you get measured by the number of comments generated by an article? If you do, all you need to do is post a conference realignment article!! It is a fascinating subject and probably a big waste of my time, but I haven't found anyone (and I've looked all over the internet) who has covered it as thoroughly as you have.

Brian Skelly 1 year, 11 months ago

Agreed. At least as we are concerned (KU / Big 12) he's been on top of all of it. The article here spells out the GoR issue pretty well too.

Chris1955 1 year, 11 months ago

Conference realignment is the 3rd season, behind basketball and football.

Krohnutz 1 year, 11 months ago

We are not going anywhere. Thus, the only thing that matters is the judgement against Maryland.

If the dollar figure is in the right ballpark, maybe the Big 12 can make it worthwhile for a pair of teams to come on over. If not, get ready for a long history of no championship game, and Scott Drew at LEAST twice a season.

But since the Big 12 appears to have ED, I expect we won't make a move until our potentials are at home with another conference.

At least when our football team goes 12-0 we will have the inside track to the football playoff.... Thanks?

Benjamin Piehler 1 year, 11 months ago

Fine, we're staying at 10. It's still an unattractive conference compared to the big dogs.

JayHok 1 year, 11 months ago

Nope. Not unattractive at all. The big 12 can add at their discretion. No rush. Meanwhile the SEC has no exit fee. In other words we're about the most stable conference in America with extremely good exposure, where teams like MU will have to wrestle with 14-16 schools to get exposure. Also they have to split more ways.

The Big 12 absolutely did it right. One of the strongest conferences in America right now.

Benjamin Piehler 1 year, 11 months ago

Teams are getting scooped up left and right, and there's "no rush"?

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

We don't win on demographics or football strength.

Benjamin Piehler 1 year, 11 months ago

Never said we did. That being said, KC has exploded the last few years. Anyone playing the long term game will at least take a look.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

Compared to some of the Rust Belt cities, KC is growing fasfer. But it doesn't even come close to the growth rates of cities in Texas, Florida, the rest of the South and the West. All the schools in the ACC are in markets that are as big or not bigger and growing faster.

90sHawk 1 year, 11 months ago

Pretty sure a population growth rate around 1% is not considered "exploding"

Benjamin Piehler 1 year, 11 months ago

1% annually, without fail is not bad at all considering our rather small base population. Houston is around 3% annual; the base population is a few million higher, of course.

Not to mention a flourishing information sector

Joe Baker 1 year, 11 months ago

$$$ > demographics...it's all about the Benjamins my friend, always was, is, and will forevermore. It's a business and $$$ is what it's all about. Get your $$$ and get your recruits, exposure, and your demographics. Demographics means nothing if your getting your $$$.

I hate it as much as the next fan, but these are the cold hard facts. Our beloved college sports is all about the $$$. "Money, it's a drag..." If you disagree, hang around and you'll learn real fast.

texashawk10 1 year, 11 months ago

Very flawed logic. Demographics=$$$, the conferences with conference networks want to expand into new markets because that means they can charge more to have their network carried. The reason Rutgers and Maryland were appealing to the B1G was because they allowed the BTN to be carried on basic packages in NYC, Washington DC, and Baltimore which means the BTN gets more money from subscribers in those cities. The reason the B1G is not considering UVA as strongly as they are UNC, GT, and KU is because UVA doesn't add a new TV market of significance whereas UNC add the Raleigh-Durham and Charlotte markets, GT adds Atlanta, and KU adds KC and Wichita which are all top 75 markets. Richmond and Norfolk are nowhere near as attractive as those other 3 market combinations. Raliegh-Durham and Charlotte is also why NC State is attractive to the SEC and those Virgina markets are why VA Tech has been considered the other front runner for SEC expansion.

Cody Riedy 1 year, 11 months ago

It seems like a lot of people are acting like Matt is supposed to be Bob Woodward and conference realignment is Watergate. He's talked to his sources at KU and around the conference - good enough. Are some of you amateur or professional lawyers who think you are going to crack the secret legal code of the GOR and prove that Matt's sources are all wrong or are liars and there's a huge secret deal brewing that some Pulitzer winning journalism would uncover. When there is news to report, Matt will report it. Dang folks.

Cody Riedy 1 year, 11 months ago

I agree that the consequences of conference realignment could potentially be quite significant in many regards, as you point out, beyond who is on the schedule and how much money athletics departments are bringing in. But if this is true, it's not so much the KU football columnist that should be cracking this thing open, it should be state legislators. Kansas is a PUBLIC university and therefore, if the consequences are that significant, the PUBLIC, via our legislators, should be informed and potentially involved in the decision making. Or so is my opinion.

Cody Riedy 1 year, 11 months ago

Ok, I'm following you now and I agree. The things you point out, here, to me, are, or at least probably should be, a much more important part of the conversation then the speculation of which schools are going where. That is, which particular school might go where, might impact the fine details of what exactly the consequences ultimately are, but it's the bigger picture of the whole spectrum of consequences themselves that needs to be addressed more.

Joe Baker 1 year, 11 months ago

Exactly. All he's doing is reporting what he knows. He's not trying to solve this whole mess. People fail to think for themselves. Tait is simply giving what he can for us to formulate our own arguments, theories, and guesses.

Thanks Matt for staying on this whole messy ordeal. Keep the info coming to those of us who appreciate it.

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

I think that is an interesting point.

Iowa has benefited significantly by having Iowa State in the Big XII and Iowa in the Big Ten. If universities and especially the state legislatures could see the benefit of splitting KU and KSU, likewise OU and OSU, you could see some real movement and benefit for some of these states.

Of course, if one is relegated to a minor conference maybe not as much.

Interesting note for sure though.

lama 1 year, 11 months ago

Good article. I'd still like to see the language in the GOR. But barring the Big 12 blowing up, it sounds like Kansas isn't going anywhere. Look for the Big 10 to add two ACC schools -- that's what they would prefer to do, anyway. Big, growing markets, good schools -- no brainer.

JayHok 1 year, 11 months ago

The fact that the B1G vetted KU says something about the strength of the Big 12 since Mizzou left. Furthermore even if the B1G really really HAD to have KU, it is nearly impossible. Again another major sign of strength. We're right where we should be. The rules changed when Neinas came back to help out. All the complaining MU did against UT went out the window when Neinas and the Big 12 presidents voted on the new rules 2 weeks before MU decided to go.

It's a whole new ball game now.

MoralVictory 1 year, 11 months ago

Each year, the GOR becomes less impactful, making the league less stable, literally, by the day.

Add to this the fact that good money now doesn't mean that you'll have good money later. Sitting in a cocoon and assuming that the water won't continue to rise ends up being a flawed strategy. The Big 10 is thinking about the future. The Pac 12 has already sealed up the entire country west of the Rockies, so they are set.

What's our plan? The only market that is worth having is Florida. Add Miami and FSU, create two divisions and call it a day. No other market in U.S. is left and no other market really matters.

Joe Baker 1 year, 11 months ago

Those of you who disagree with football not driving this whole realignment mess, look at the schools in discussion of gaining. Where are programs going? SEC, Pac12, and B1G. I don't see many schools going to ACC save L'ville (bball). The B12 is hanging in the balance by bringing in W Va and TCU (football). I love bball more than football, but even I can see this is shaped by football.
The Super Conferences are forming folks. Your football conferences will be Pac, SEC, and B1G. Your money and rights will be found there and to be gained by all others in D1 programs. I'm afraid it's too late to get some pie or aka $$$$. We might get some scraps if we're lucky or act. We need to hope that one of these future Conferences will take us for KU's bball's strength. The most sense and best market would be the B1G. I think that door is closing and if we fall into this GOR, we may lose out. I would rather jump and be somewhere and not jump at all be left out the way this is shaping. If KU remains, then we have one option only - Weis better get KU relevant real soon or the next round of talks may find KU in a real strange situation. We've got to bring the bball and football chip to the tables. We are leaving and will leave much of this $$$ on the negotiating table if our football program doesn't get with the program. I'm sick of people saying that KU is "a bball school only." Most of KU fans have acceped this position, but not any longer. If you love KU and most of you do, you better get your head in the football program and hope it gets competitive real soon or KU will be left out in so many ways. I really believe that Weis and Co is Zenger and Bernie's last chance to get KU competitve in the B12 and thereby providing KU with some negotiating influence.

khawk75 1 year, 11 months ago

Matt, next question. Has each institution actually signed the GOR yet? The original articles about this stated that the GOR had been agreed to by all, and the TV contracts were based on it. But it was also stated that it would take some time (various institutional Board of Directors' meetings, etc.) for each institution to formally finish all of the paperwork.

So, it would be good to know if everything is signed, sealed, and delivered as promised.

Chris1955 1 year, 11 months ago

In viewing potential B1G TEN future poaching, along with the assumption that the B1G TEN will continue its practice of only taking AAU schools, and a contiguous geographical footprint, let's examine the candidates discussed most commonly. They would seem to be Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, and Kansas.

Let's examine TV markets for these potential candidates. • Virginia Washington D.C., Richmond, Norfolk, Roanoke-Lynchburg • N. Carolina Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Greensboro • GA Tech Atlanta • Kansas Kansas City, Wichita

When the B1G TEN snagged Maryland, they essentially got the Washington DC market, along with Baltimore. So we will give Virginia’s addition credit for only bringing in Richmond, Norfolk, and Lynchburg. They rate as #58, #43, and #67. Would Virginia join the B1G TEN without North Carolina?

North Carolina has several good TV markets, but let's be honest, they are one of the driving members of the ACC, and don't seem likely to destroy a conference that they largely control. They are also not contiguous to the B1G TEN unless Virginia joins.

Georgia Tech adds the #8 Atlanta TV market. However, they are neither contiguous nor culturally compatible with the B1G TEN. They are also the 2nd University in Georgia behind UGA.

Kansas adds the #31 KC market and #69 Wichita market. KU is contiguous and culturally compatible with the Midwest.

With my admittedly biased spin, Kansas seems to be the next best fit for the B1G TEN as the 15th school. I could see a two division format as follows:

West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, and Illinois East: Purdue, Indiana, Mich. St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St, Rutgers, and Maryland.

mahkmood 1 year, 11 months ago

"Because most high-ranking officials within the Big 12 don’t believe that any schools out there are worth that kind of money."

I don't understand this statement at all. This has to becoming from UT's mouth. Rutgers was available to the B12, but the B1G took them, and the B12 did not. Why would the B1G dilute their conference with another mouth to feed? Why did the PAC add Colorado and Utah? Why did the SEC add MU? Why is B1G wanting to dilute by going to 16? Why is SEC talking about interest in 2 more? Why add Louisville to the ACC? How can the B12 say there aren't any teams out there worth adding, when superior conferences are taking them in? The Big12 is UT's greed pot with no vision for the future. Pathetic and dying... the GOR will just make the death more prolonged and painful to watch.

Following the logic of "1 more mouth to feed isn't worth it", then the B12 should be looking how to lose members. Let's get down to 8 or 6 so each remaining team can eat fatter. Let's get rid of Baylor, TCU, KSU, and OSU so that we have fewer mouths to feed and less duplicate tv markets, and play each team twice in football. This shows that the B12 is completely controlled by UT, and that UT is not committed to building a B12 for the future. The B10 and SEC say they will expand but only if it takes them to new tv footprints. Well, the stupid B12 adds TCU (Dallas) which is already covered by UT instead of adding Rutgers. While everyone else is investing for the future by expanding tv footprint, the B12 focuses on eating well today with no thought of its demise in 10 - 13 years. Eat or be eaten (in 13 years)

Ryan Gerstner 1 year, 11 months ago

You haven't been following this much but not a lot do. This is incredibly simple: other leagues either have a conference network or will have one shortly (SEC). So you can add a school with a big population and it makes sense based on the increased cable revenue. The Big 12 makes money by having compelling tier 1/2 to sell. At some point an addition doesn't move the needle enough to generate enough new revenue to where the Big 12 don't have to take a pay cut. That's why Rutgers works to the Big 10 but would never work to the Big 12. The Big 12 population footprint is also about 1/3 of the other power leagues.

mahkmood 1 year, 11 months ago

That is my frustration, the B12 has no plans to create its own network, while the other conferences are, and the conference network idea needs very large footprint to be successful. I would think the B12 is destined to be absorbed by the conferences with networks because in the future they will be getting $40mil per school not $30, the GOR will just postpone it for 13 years. I don't see stability.

mahkmood 1 year, 11 months ago

"Opinion: TV rights agreement ensures Big 12’s long-term stability" should read "10-13 year stability". I don't consider 13 years long-term, but that's just my opinion.

pepper_bar 1 year, 11 months ago

Good job to whoever at LJW changed the title to label this an "opinion" piece.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

Right now I will take the 13 years compared to what we went through the last two years. Matt's summary of Grant of Rights pretty much indicates that KU was never seriously considered for membership in the Big 10 despite what everyone is claiming on this board.

I contend that once the idea of further expansion in the Big 10 came up, a lot of speculation occurred about who the target schools might be by the blogosphere. How do you come up with a list? You start with a list of AAU schools. KU makes that cut, but that's it.

By the way, how many people even knew that AAU stood for something other than the Amateur Athletic Union (and its shady basketball coaches) three years ago.

pepper_bar 1 year, 11 months ago

Texas Tech lost its football coach today to Cincinnati, a Big East school.

TT fans probably maintain unreasonable expectations of their athletic teams because of the Leach and Knight years. But still, this is not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Big 12's stability - the Big East is in the process of losing all its high-profile football programs (Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers), so the fact that a coach would prefer the Big East's uncertain future to the pressure of Texas Tech is interesting to me.

Robert Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

My understanding is the coach has a long term relationship with the AD from their days at Auburn. Not sure it was a good cultural fit at Tech.

trajanj 1 year, 11 months ago

They already have the Pittsburgh and Ohio markets, they don't need either of those teams.

1timbob 1 year, 11 months ago

TAIT--So why can't you go to the big10 and keep your tier 3 and play on the big 10 network for 13 years? Would that be a way around the GOR? Can the big12 legally claim rights to the big10 network?

Steve Brown 1 year, 11 months ago

"TV rights agreement ensures Big 12’s long-term stability" perhaps. My view is that is true until Texas and OU says it doesn't. We serve at the pleasure of the king. So row Ben Hur and live.

Still don't understand why we fly over half the USA to play Mountaineers when other prospects nearer our central time zone may have been viable.

Glad we have good minds on these issues and trust them.

It will be interesting watching CW build our program. One step at a time. KU rising!

jhawkrulz 1 year, 11 months ago

I'd complain more about TCU then West Virginia.

mahkmood 1 year, 11 months ago

Just read some stuff about Big East BB schools wanting to separate from the rest of the conf. I'm wondering if the Big12 TV network is even possible. How much TV market share would need to be added? What if the Big12 absorbed what remains of the Big East, and adds Army and Navy? Would that be enough for a Big12 TV network? How much revenue per school? Just my curious thoughts...

FOOTBALL: North: ISU WVU KU KSU Cinci UConn Temple (Philly Market) Navy (D.C. Market)

South: UT TT OU TCU Baylor OSU USF (Tampa Market) Army (New York Market)

BASKETBALL:(23 teams, Play each team 1 time = 22 conf games, Tourney = Top 16 playoff) ISU WVU KU KSU Cinci UConn Temple Army UT TT OU TCU Baylor OSU USF Navy Georgtown Seton Hall Providence Marquette St. John's Depaul Villanova

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