West Virginia defeats Kansas, 59-10

  • 1:30 p.m., Dec. 1, 2012
  • Mountaineer Field at Milan Puskar Stadium, Morgantown, WV

Originally published December 1, 2012 at 08:23p.m., updated December 1, 2012 at 09:27p.m.

Final goodbye: West Virginia ‘gross mismatch’ for KU in seniors’ last game

KU seniors Bradley McDougald (24) and Toben Opurum (35) wave to KU fans as they leave the field following KU's 59-10 loss Saturday against West Virginia University in Morgantown, W.Va.

KU seniors Bradley McDougald (24) and Toben Opurum (35) wave to KU fans as they leave the field following KU's 59-10 loss Saturday against West Virginia University in Morgantown, W.Va.


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KU coach Charlie Weis talks following loss to WVU

Kansas coach Charlie Weis talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 59-10 loss to West Virginia on Dec. 1, 2012.

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— On the final snap of his Kansas University football career, senior safety Bradley McDougald never moved.

With the Jayhawks seconds away from a long afternoon officially becoming a 59-10 loss to West Virginia, and with WVU back-up quarterback Paul Millard prepared to take a knee on the game's final play, McDougald stood frozen in his spot in the KU secondary.

"I was just kind of taking it all in, just taking my last breaths on the field," McDougald said. "I don't want to say I was enjoying it, but I was moving around in my pads, looking around at the guys in front of me, the guys I've been banging with and going to war with week in and week out, one final time."

West Virginia rolled to 647 yards of offense, and WVU quarterback Geno Smith completed 23 of 24 passes (the lone miss was intercepted by KU junior Tyler Patmon) for 407 yards and three touchdowns. The stats, the season and, in many ways, McDougald's entire KU career will go down for everyone else as moments to be forgotten. But as McDougald stood and watched both teams converge around him and meet at midfield for postgame handshakes, he made sure to hook up with senior defensive end Toben Opurum. Together, the two leaders and familiar faces took their time walking off the West Virginia turf. As they walked slowly, and side by side, into the tunnel for what likely was their final time as teammates, the two Jayhawks who have been through three head coaches and 37 losses during the past four years stood tall.

"When we came in, we were great friends," McDougald said. "We stayed right down the hall from each other and we made promises to each other: Don't fall off, man; just keep working. We saw the success that guys ahead of us had, and we wanted that success. We wanted to be (Darrell) Stuckey, we wanted to be to be Kerry (Meier) and (Dezmon) Briscoe, and we wanted to carry the program just as they did. It didn't work out that way, but that's why I was happy just to walk off with him. It was like, 'Man, there's nobody else I would rather walk off the field with than my homie, Toben.'"

The moment was just as special for Opurum, who came to Kansas as a highly recruited running back and left by recording a sack and three tackles in his final game at his third position.

"We kept our heads held high because we were talking out there and we said, 'A lot of people can't handle this,'" Opurum shared. "It takes really strong people to be able to go through four years of college football itself, but especially when things aren't going your way. You gotta be mentally tough and physically tough to be able to handle it, and I think me and him handled it the best we could."

There was plenty to handle on Saturday for the Jayhawks (1-11 overall, 0-9 Big 12). West Virginia's trio of explosive offensive playmakers ran away from KU's defense throughout the afternoon. Smith triggered it all, but wide receivers Stedman Bailey (159 yards and two TDs on 11 receptions) and Tavon Austin (197 total yards and one TD) accounted for most of the damage.

"In the games we've struggled on defense, we've given up a bunch of big plays, and today was just another one of those days," KU coach Charlie Weis said. "You saw a gross mismatch when you looked out there. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure out whose players were exposing the other team's players."

Offensively, the Jayhawks did not fare much better. KU finished with just 274 yards of total offense, and, after cutting the WVU lead to 21-7 on a James Sims touchdown run with 7:05 to play in the first half, watched the Mountaineers (7-5, 4-5) rip off 31 straight points before KU cracked the scoreboard again with a 32-yard field goal from Nick Prolago with 9:01 to play.

Smith set a school record with 21 straight completions. The Mountaineers' 35 first-half points matched their highest scoring half of the season, a feat they recorded in each half of a 70-63 shootout win over Baylor early in the season. Austin and Bailey both struck Heisman poses after touchdowns. And the bulk of the crowd of 51,112 that showed up for WVU's senior sendoff stayed and partied to the end as John Denver's "Country Roads" blared over the public address system.

"If I hear John Denver one more time I might get sick to my stomach," Weis said. "Although I love the song, to have to be serenaded by it walking off after a blowout loss doesn't exactly fire me up too much."

Weis gave senior quarterback Dayne Crist the start in the final game of his college career Saturday, and like so many of Crist's starts during a disappointing and injury-riddled five-year career at KU and Notre Dame, things ended badly and with the former five-star QB prospect sitting on the bench.

"We felt that we were gonna come out in the first couple of series and throw dropback passes because we knew that they were gonna spend the week loading up the box against us," Weis said.

Asked why things went wrong even though KU appeared to have some openings in the passing game, Weis pointed to a total team collapse.

"If you saw what I saw, you might see it a little differently," he explained. "Sometimes receivers can't stop running when the ball's being thrown. There's more to it than that, but I wasn't really happy with any of the first few passes and how they turned out."

Crist was relieved by red-shirt freshman Michael Cummings on KU's third offensive series of the day and, with or without him, the passing game never clicked. As a team, the Jayhawks completed just 7 of 16 passes for 117 yards and one interception.

"It's disappointing, obviously," Crist said. "No one's happy with where we're at or how we finished, but there's something to be learned from every experience, and this season needs to be something this team builds on."

The only bright spot for KU on Saturday came from Sims, who passed the 1,000-yard mark for the season despite playing in just nine games. Sims finished with a season-low 57 yards on 18 carries and ended the season with 1,013 yards.

The loss, KU's 11th straight after opening the season with a victory against FCS foe South Dakota State, secured KU's lowest win total in a season since finishing 1-10 in 1988. Earlier in the week, when talking about WVU's potent offense, Weis explained that if his team did not show up ready to fight it could lose 100-0.

"This is about what that is," Weis said. "One-hundred-0, 59-10, they're pretty close. ... I was concerned with the match-up, and my concerns came true. Let's just say that."


Phil Leister 8 years, 9 months ago

And KU is the only Big 12 team to not be bowl eligible. Sheesh. What a long season. Can't wait 'til next August though.

KUJayhawkFan58 8 years, 9 months ago

I also can wait. Do you honestly think it is going to be better?

Ian Ballinger 8 years, 9 months ago

Honestly... I do. I bet we make a bowl next year

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

We are 1 TD per game away from being bowl eligible. 25-24 30-23 20-14 21-17 41-34 + 1W = Bowl Eligible

TenaciousD 8 years, 9 months ago

If "Zinger" hadn't gone off half cocked, Gill would have had them in a bowl this year. Pretty sad. Weis has never proven himself to be a decent head coach. He certainly throws up a lot of smoke and mirrors with his rhetoric. Even Tait was eating out of his hand all year. Hopefully Charlie will quit and not make us fire him and pay for his next retirement without working along with Notre Dame.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

This team would be 0-12 or 1-11 with Gill.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

I bet we would have beaten Rice and possibly NIU because Crist wouldn't have been here and Sims wouldn't have been suspended three games. Am I glad Gill is gone? Yes. Do I think we make the right hire? I don't know but I can't say YES after this first year.

RJ King 8 years, 9 months ago

Yeah. At least we'll get first pick in the draft.

Phil Leister 8 years, 9 months ago

No kidding, what a four year ride. These guys win their first 5 games of their careers on a team that's won 2 bowl games in a row, get nationally ranked... then the crap hits the fan and all hell breaks loose for the next 3.5 seasons. Here's to hoping we find some stability.

gutter 8 years, 9 months ago

No need to feel sorry for them. They had it pretty good compared to most of their HS teammates who were not given free rides to a premier basketball school. We should thank them for their services and wish them well in their futures and be thankful we are getting in some new blood that hopefully won't lose 37 games in the next 4 years.

wsjayhawk1 8 years, 9 months ago

Poor coaching, poor player performance, no progress at the end of the year. Fire Charlie Tuna and find a "Snyder" somewhere in the assistant coaching ranks where a program is successful.When is KU going to learn???

connhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, why don't they just find a Bill Snyder-equivalent who is an assistant coach somewhere?! Those guy are a dime a dozen, right?

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Snyder has way more talent than Weis does this year. Especially at key positions like QB and kicker.

Bee Bee 8 years, 9 months ago

Yea but Snyder has nothing compared to USC (5 losses) and the other big programs. It s called good COACHING, MOTIVATION AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST.........DISCIPLINE. A good kick in the A** goes a long ways. Oh that s right Mangino did that and got fired. KU recruits the SOFTEST players in the nation and their record shows it. Time to grow a pair gentlemen.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

KU's every bit as good as KSU when it comes to discipline. Just compare our average penalties/yards to theirs.

gutter 8 years, 9 months ago

News flash! Sorry but in no way WAS Klein more talented than Crist coming out of High School. One kid developed in to a stud and the other developed in to a dud. I'm not too sure Snyder had all that much more talent than Weis did this season. He did have a TEAM that he was able to mold in to a Big 12 title contender while Weis had a bunch of losers that he molded in to a Big 12 pile of junk - just like Gill was able to do.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Obviously you take high school rankings way too seriously. They mean absolutely nothing whatsoever. Klien is WAY more accurate and mobile than Crist. It's not Weis' fault that Crist has horrible accuracy, and when he does make the rare nice throw the WR's drop it. I don't see Chris Harper, Tyler Lockett and Thompson dropping any passes. There isn't one position outside of RB, one of the least important positions in football, where they have more talent than we do.

squawkhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

You forget that Crist was ranked the #3 QB coming out of HS and Collin Klein was ranked 108. KSU has no more 4 and 5 star recruits than we do and gets it done with 2 and 3 star athletes (and walk ons), just like KU. There is not a talent gap but rather a coaching gap. When are you idiots going to get this in your heads. Pull your head out of the sand and face reality.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Hate to break it to ya pal, but it's not Weis's fault Crist can't hit a wide open reciever 10 yards downfield. High school rankings have absolutely NOTHING to do with college performance whatsoever. There's a reason why Klien's a hiesman candidate and Crist got benched for Cummings.

actorman 8 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, and firing Weis after one season will make those thousands of Snyder-type assistants who are so easy to find come knocking down our door, right?

Do us all a favor, and try not to be a complete moron when you post something.

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago

Totally agree. This coaching staff needs more time.

Improvement at the QB, receiver, and D-line especially. Whoops, forgot about the special teams play. Whoops, also forgot that most of D-backs and O-line are seniors. Could be another ragtag season next year too until we fill a lot of holes.

John Beck 8 years, 9 months ago

  1. it's about being a flagship, AAU university and TV sets (KC metro) not football W & L's

LAJayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

There are so many things wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start.

Saguaro_Jayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

The part about "need to start piling up wins next season, or we can start making plans for a place in C*USA or Mo Valley". Fortunately, it is much more complex than that.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

1) The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. Grant of rights deal made this conference maybe one of the strongest in college football. It would likely cost a couple of HUNDRED MILLION to negotiate out of giving up tier 1 and tier 2 rights. Big 12 is either staying at 10 or expanding. No one is leaving.

2) Conference realignment has nothing to do with the number of wins you have in football. Want examples? -- Maryland 4-8 -- Colorado 1-11 this year, 3-10 last year, 5-7 in 2010 (when they moved) -- Duke and UNC are major targets for both the SEC and the Big 10. While UNC is above average, Duke is god-awful in football

This is about market share first and foremost, then academics. If you bring more revenue to the conference, they want you. KU would AND they are an AAU school.

3) Even if the Big 12 broke up (which it absolutely won't), KU will not wind up in conference USA. Big 10, SEC, ACC (if they are still in tact) would all look to add KU. But that is a moot point as the Big 12 isn't going anywhere. My guess is Maryland is able to negotiate down the $50 mil buyout, which is the main catalyst that will likely start everything else. If they do negotiate down, FSU and Clemson will leave, probably to the Big 12. That will start a feeding frenzy for other ACC schools: UNC, Duke, Syracuse, etc.

So, yeah. Piling up wins in football next season or not, we will NOT be in Conference USA. Not a chance.

VaJay 8 years, 9 months ago

OK. I just got back home & was planning to watch (read: speed through) the recording. Can someone tell me if there is ANY point in watching any of the debacle (highlights, amusing lowlights)??

Shawn Darius 8 years, 9 months ago

Ha! So True. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Probably both.

actorman 8 years, 9 months ago

No. Sadly, there's not a single thing worth seeing in that game.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

We are 1-32 in conference play. That's pathetic. It's hard to realistically make a case that significant progress was made this year. Comparing conference games from last year to this year. Last year: 5 blow out losses; 2 games that weren't blow out but were never in doubt by the time the fourth quarter started and two games where we had a shot in the 4th quarter.

This year: 5 blow out losses; 1 game that was not a blow out but decided by 4 th quarter and three games where we had a shot in the 4th quarter. Is that really progress?

I don't think the conference is that much stronger this year. It's possible if KSU beats UT that the Big 12 will have only two ranked teams next week.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

If Heaps and McCay were eligible this season, we'd be 6-6 right now with wins over Rice, NIU, OSU, Texas, and TTU. Even with Prolago and Doherty handling the kicking duties. Want more proof of progress? Look at our average penalties and penalty yards per game from this season compared to last. Also, look at the jump in our players GPA's from the first semester last year to second semester.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

You can have your opinion and I can have mine. The results are the results and they did not improve. Crist had the same credentials as Heaps. We are better off than last year from a coaching standpoint but I wasn't impressed with what I saw on the field from a coaching standpoint.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't bet against Heaps. Matt Tait has said he's looked good in practice and he'll have a better running game than he ever had at BYU. It's not like he was bad at BYU either; he broke Steve Young's freshman passing records as a true freshman. As for the coaching, don't forget about Mangino's first season at KU. It was worse than this one and the Big 12's way better now than it was then.

Jack Jones 8 years, 9 months ago

ABSOLUTELY!! IF my AUNT HAD B...s. she would be my Uncle.

squawkhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

I'll have some of what he is smoking! And why did Heaps leave BYU? Oh yeah, he got beat out by the second string QB. Yet he's going to deliver KU to the promised land. Right.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't bet against Heaps. Matt Tait said he's looked really good in practice and he'll have a way better running game than he ever had at BYU. It's not like he bad the whole time he was at BYU either; he broke some of Steve Young's freshman passing records as a true freshman.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Fellow fans, don't overreact to this terrible season. Jake Heaps can be as good as Todd Reesing. 6'3 280 pound JUCO DE Andrew Bolton chose KU over offers from LSU (yes, LSU, if you think I'm kidding go check, Iowa, and Mississippi State, and received interest from Alabama, Ohio State, and Oklahoma. JUCO DT's Ty McKinney (310 pounds) and Tedarian Johnson (chose KU over Mississippi State and TTU) will add more depth and talent to the DT spot, where we return Young, Tavai, Stowers, John Williams, Tyler Holmes, and Agostino (that's 8 deep at DT).

Offensively, Heaps will have several reliable options to throw to in the passing game. We'll be drastically improved at TE with Charles Brooks, Jordan Smith (6'5 and runs a 4.5 40), and Mundine returning. JUCO WR Mark Thomas is 6'2 210 and runs a 4.4 40. Justin McCay could be really good. And finally, we return our top 5 RB's in Sims, Pierson, Cox, Bourbon, and Marquis Jackson.

Bee Bee 8 years, 9 months ago

I heard that before this season. Talk is cheap.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

You heard very little of that. Next year we'll be WAY better at DL, LB, WR, QB, TE, and our top 5 RB's return. You certainly didn't hear about us beating out LSU for a defensive player, idiot.

squawkhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

And who is going to coach the wonderful players we have coming in? Nuff said!

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

It's grossly unfair for you to judge them based on one season when they didn't have these players in the deepest and second best conference in college football.

Geekinout 8 years, 9 months ago

Thank you to the players that stuck it out through this mess!! People running the football side of the KU athletic department, you still aren't doing a very good job.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

It's impossible to do a good job in the Big 12 with Cummings as your starting QB, Omigie your starting WR, and Prolago and Doherty handling the kickoff duties.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Punting and FG kicking, not just kickoffs.

Michael Bratisax 8 years, 9 months ago

I am in no hurry for next year... I bought into this team after they had 3 hard fought losses but they proved themselves as on of the worst D1 teams in the NCAA. I don't see much to build on to make believe we will be any better next year,

I'm just glad the season is over and want to thank all the graduating players for their efforts. They deserved a better send off.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

People, it's not Weis's fault Crist turned out to be so bad (not that Crist had any good WR's to throw to though). Turner screwed us over so bad it's gonna take a little time to turn things around. Don't forget about Mangino's first season at KU. You can't jump to conclusions based solely on KU's record when Cummings is your starting QB, Omigie your starting WR and a horrible kicking game in the deepest conference in college football.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

That said, I think we have a great chance to get to a bowl next year. We have TTU, Baylor, WVU, and KSU at home next year. All of those games are very winnable.

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

7 ppg away from bowl eligible this year.

kay_you 8 years, 9 months ago

Not to be picky but it was 5 ppg. And that's why I'm optimistic.

squawkhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Explain "very winnable"? 1 out of 4 maybe.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

We lost to TTU on the road in double OT, so that's very winnable without question. WVU loses Smith and Austin, KSU loses Klien, both their CB's, several way underrated OLmen, Ty Zimmerman at S, Aurthur Brown and Tuggle at LB, and Meshack Williams. And our recruiting class is WAY better than theirs.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

I don't buy it. I am glad Turner is gone but we have some offensive talent and in a league that plays no defense, we could hardly score.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Sorry pal, but if you have no talent whatsoever at QB and WR you aren't gonna score in any conference.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

We had a five star QB. That didn't work out very well. You can delude yourself into thinking this was a season that set us up for success in the future. Very few other people are buying it.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

When did I say this season set us up for success? All the guys I mentioned above will give us a great chance to 6-6 next season, and if we had Heaps and McCay this year we'd probably be 6-6 with wins over Rice, NIU, OSU, Texas, and TTU.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

By the way, you should move from Houston to Colorado where you can smoke your pot legally.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Effing Omigie. Just hearing that name pisses me off.

otjhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

If you think that this team wasn't 10x better then last year you need to quit watching football because obviously you don't know anything. If you thought a new coach was going to all of sudden get us wins I feel sorry for you. This team will be close to bowl eligible next year with the improvements at the QB and Kicking game alone.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

Was that meant to be an insult directed at me?

Bee Bee 8 years, 9 months ago

Snyder would ve won 4 or 5 with this KU team. He doesn't have many big time recruits. He has better players than KU obviously, but he has FAR LESS TALENT THAN USC (5 losses) or the other big time programs. It s all about doing what it takes to win. KU players don't have it in them to do what it takes. That and their talent levels sucks and they have NO TEAM SPEED! RECRUIT SPEED CHARLIE!

JhawkalumJB 8 years, 9 months ago

NO team speed isn't necessarily the truth.. what about Tony Pierson?

Jack Jones 8 years, 9 months ago

"Snyder would have won........". Speculation. "..better players than KU". Very accurate comment. "...FAR LESS TALENT THAN USC...". Where?, Why?, What?,did that come from? "KU players don't have ......". Perhaps physically. perhaps talent level - but hope that "doesn't have it in them" doesn't speak to the player's heart or desire or will to succeed. The other things you can actually measure - the others you cannot.

Jack Jones 8 years, 9 months ago

"Snyder would have won......". Perhaps, perhaps not - speculation. "Better players......". Accurate statement. "FAR LESS TALENT THAN USC......". Where?", Why?", What?, did that come from - and relevance? "KU players don't have it in them.....". Physically, talent level,agreed. But would hope that "it" doesn't speak to a player's heart or his will to do everything he is capable of doing on a given Saturday to be successful. The physical, the talent can be measured - the others cannot. Hang in there and keep the faith and hope alive. It truly will be at least 3 or 4 year's before we can fairly measure success or not. We can hope it is sooner than that. Realistically, when you look at where we are as a program over the past few years - and consider the recruiting/ready to play time-line, it takes time to accomplish the turn-around we all want to occur.

Emery 8 years, 9 months ago

Oh how I long for the days when KU won 5 or 6 games. Those were the days my friend.

hawkmaster 8 years, 9 months ago

KU laid down the last 2 games and so did Charlie....ugh! I understand they are playing with one hand tied behind their back having to run the ball every down. But Weis' play calling is so predictable, he is NOT an offensive genius or wizard, PLEASE stop using that word. He always threatened to open it up the last 3 or 4 games of the year, but never did.

And hard to believe KU does not have a QB that can pass a ball accurately for 5 to 10 yards, Weis does not even trust Cummings or Crist to throw a screen, shovel pass, or flare pass to the wide receiver. Just pathetic.

Most high schools have QBs that can do that, and how does a QB like Cummings spend a year in the system and nobody figures out he can't throw a 10 yard pass...oh yea, he practices against the KU secondary, sorry! Ditto for Crist.

I sure hope all of Weis huffing and puffing about how great Crist was going to be does not carry over to the Jake Heaps "Mormon Cannon"....What are we to believe after Crist?

I never thought KU would win 5 to 6 games like a lot of KU fans, I thought maybe 2 to 3 would be the maximum. I just thought they would get better instead of worse as the season concluded!

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

For the billionth time, when Cummings is your best QB and Omigie is your starting WR, you have no choice but to hand it off to Sims and Peirson. Somehow, they still almost beat Texas, OSU, and TTU doing that.

Savion Havon 8 years, 9 months ago

You obviously expected Cummings to come out slinging the ball. Charlie never opened up the offense so who was he going to throw too? Problem is best wr we had was Pierson and we couldn't get a bubble screen called You have a spread team in a conference that's spread heavy yet u won't turn them loose. Create space by spreading the defense out. Wvu did it tech, baylor isu etc..Play calling as well as use of personnel was lackluster. The same thing happen in Florida last year and look what a difference a year makes. Charlie needs a offensive coordinator cause what he's dialing up isn't it.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Also, who thought they'd win 5+ games?

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

I did, but then again I thought Dayne was going to be able to at least hit wide open receivers.

Opening the game with Dayne and throwing the ball, even if just to a wide open TE, sounds like opening things up to me, not that I recall anyone at KU talking about opening things up any time recently. In fact, I'm recalling comments recently were about being conservative, and playing ball control. When your players can't hit wide open receivers, nobody is going to look like a genius.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

I definitely agree with most of your points. I figured that Weis would figure out a way to get us to score. I figured we would get into some shoot outs. No one plays defense in this conference and we can't even score. Weis wasn't all that successful as OC last year in Florida. I thought we could win four games and I'm know some are saying that we lost five games where we were a play or drive away from winning.

I do think Weis is working hard and hope it pays off. This was viewed as a bad hire by most pundits last year. I'm sure this year's results have not changed anyone's opinion.

Mangino_Maniac 8 years, 9 months ago

And Paul Chryst has Pitt going to a bowl...

Dirk Medema 8 years, 9 months ago

I think you may be mistaken about Pitt being bowl eligible, because Youngstown State and Gardner Webb are both AA teams. I may be wrong about that effecting them being bowl eligible though, because they only beat 1 (Gardner-Webb) of those teams.

We also would have been much better off if we had been in the Big Least like Pitt instead of the Big12 where every other team is bowl eligible, as are all of the non-con opponents. That's why we have the toughest sched in the nation for the second straight year vs. #64. There is a reason WVU went from conf champs to #8 by joining the Big12.

Bee Bee 8 years, 9 months ago

Last two games? U mean the last three seasons>?

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago

Agree. Our last two games were about as pathetic as I have seen us play, including the Gill years.

Jeff Kilgore 8 years, 9 months ago

There's no doubt that KU was more competitive earlier this year, but when you don't win, kids don't play as hard. That's just how it is. It doesn't mean that Weis is a bad coach. I'm not really encouraged about next year either. It takes longer. We were really bad late, and you'd have to give Weis at the very least two more years and probably three before we get back to .500.

squawkhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

OR, the other teams so disrespected us that they could not get up to play KU and dropped to KU's level. I don't call this being competitive in any way.

Eric TheCapn 8 years, 9 months ago

I'm disappointed in the reaction to a column, which was primarily a touching story of two seniors who made it through the most difficult, ridiculous time I could imagine in KU football history. As fans and alumni, we should be both proud of these gentlemen and embarrassed by what the KU athletic department and the business of college sports put them through.

McDougald and Opurum's story should remind us of how difficult it is to be a student-athlete, and how much administrations and money can affect their lives, stress levels and careers. Personally, it also reminds me of how the greed in college sports (see: realignment) is so harmful to not only our traditions, but to the livelihoods and mental states of students around the country. In essence, making kids travel more and study less because of conference realignment could harm our nation's education as a whole. Look into that, Science.

I'm proud of these guys, that they had the guts, loyalty and strength to remain Jayhawk athletes despite the insanity surrounding them. Rock Chalk, men.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Just in case anyone cares, we had the number 1 ranked schedule... that would be the HARDEST schedule... in ALL of college football according to the Sagarin ratings... You know, for those who want to compare this to Paul Chryst at Pitt (who had the 64th ranked schedule)....

But, wait, you say, "Meh, screw the Sagarin ratings." Fine. How about the Congrove Computer rankings, which has us with the SECOND HARDEST schedule in ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL... (Pitt, BTW, was 61st in those rankings as well)...

Or there's Mark Schlabach at ESPN who said we had the 4th hardest schedule...

Now, does any of that make us feel better or make it acceptable that we finished 1-11? No, of course not. But calm the eff down. We weren't going to be bowl eligible with the talent we had and the schedule we had to face. Was Crist a disappointment? OF COURSE. But even if he could have stopped overthrowing every receiver that he ever looked in the direction of, he still had basically NO ONE to throw the ball to. And he didn't play defense.

If we played the 2007 schedule, we probably would have had 4 or 5 wins. Easily. This team will be remarkably better next year. Will we make a bowl? Who knows. The schedule is still brutal, and we aren't going to have Heisman talent. But we will be much better. And we WILL win more games.

So stop talking about Paul Freakin' Chryst at Pitt, and give it at least another year before you want to chuck out Charlie Weis. This WILL be a better team next year. I guarantee it.

LAJayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

And just for reference -- just in case anyone was curious -- the 2007-08 Orange Bowl team had an SOS of 74, according to Sagarin...

And 71 according to the NCAA...

gongs4ku 8 years, 9 months ago

So glad this season is over. As a loyal fan, I watch every game, but sometimes during the last 4 years it hasn't been much fun. Luckily basketball is never far off.

jayhawkeratheart 8 years, 9 months ago

Simply put, they come and go, some with wins some with woe

Players cry and players smile, while all the fans love games worth while

You never know, on a given day, who comes to watch and who comes to play

The final score, though be it rough, has proven this year, we didn’t score enough

We fought the fight, we complained a lot, but in the end we just played like snot

So looking ahead, as we always do, our hopes and our dreams are set on you

On you big guy, the one that will win. So sign on the line and come on in,

To the game that you love, and the fans oh so dear, hey we scored a touchdown, I’ll have a beer

Next year is the place, we put our hopes, and I’’m sure Charlie will jump the ropes,

Maybe loose ten pounds and be a coach, selecting good plays and restoring our hopes.

So on to next year, with tears in our eyes, we know we can do it, cause we got the guys

Put points on the board, and stop the pass, cause from this day on we’re gonna kick some ass.

Kevin Crook 8 years, 9 months ago

We knew heading into the season that this team could be greatly improved over last year's and not have the record to show it. I think we need to give this staff a real chance, and see where we might be after three seasons. We may not show a great deal of improvement next near with our record again, but we will be better. It's amazing how good a team can look with a really solid QB and a great kicking game, just look at KSU. They have had recruiting classes rated in the 70s the last four years or so. But they did little things well, didn't turn it over, and won the field position battle. We have great running backs and some potential stars at linebacker, as well as a couple of receivers who could turn out to be great play makers if they have a QB who can actually pass the ball TO them, and with a better kicking game and adding more depth at the defensive line, we have a nice start for the future.

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago



So ends another in a long run of embarrassing and inglorious losses for KU football. And, really, an end to another all-too-familiar embarrassing season for one of the most hapless programs in college football.

And, if I hear another person say, "Oh well, we are a basketball school," I will scream!!!

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

So we are using the strength of schedule to 'justify' our bad season? Really? We lost at home to Rice. I know they are bowl eligible. So what, they play in Conference USA which isn't that good. NIU? Good story, but look their non conference games. They barely beat n Iowa team that won four games this year and gave up over 40 points to Army. They a So play in weak conference. The Big 12. They are balanced but most of the teams are above average, not great. It is possible that UT falls out of Top 25 and only two teams from the Big 12 are ranked at the end of the regular season. One could make a case that the conference was tougher last year.

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago

Marcus-Jenkins Moore, a juco LB committment to us, visited KSU last night. What a good deal. I would say his commttment to KU is tenuous at best.

Shawn Darius 8 years, 9 months ago

I am Done attending games and tuning in until the team figures out how to win decisively and consistently, which could be a while. The tackling, the QB, the HC, all an embarrassment. Thank God for Bill Self.

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago

Horribly, horribly woeful year again. When will it end? When will be cease to be the laughing stock of college football? Us fans are restless and embarrassed but I guess the Husker fans are a little angry and embarassed this morning too.

90sHawk 8 years, 9 months ago

I think we've all learned we need to temper our expectations going into next season. No more listening to the media, and/or head coach, talk about how great someone looks in practice and how that should translate into an effective passing game, and ultimately some wins (i.e. the Crist experiment). Practice play alone doesn't translate into wins on the field; pressure to perform in practice isn't the same as in a game. And that's what I saw a lot of this season, mental breakdowns during games and players who just aren't gamers and go out and make plays. Set aside the overall lack of talent, this team still has a ways to go to be 100% mentally prepared game after game. I think they're getting there, b/c this team fought harder (last couple of games aside) and made fewer mistakes than Gill's teams. I definitely look forward to next season, but I want the team to prove to me they can start winning. Preseason predictions don't mean squat, and never will.

Sayers44 8 years, 9 months ago

I have never seen so many KU Cheerleaders...

It took Wies 6 games to finally figure out that Crist could not play. He then said Cummings had a cannon of an arm. Wrong again.

Wies play calling was horrific. No quick passes to tight end, no swing passes to backs, no reverses to slow down pursuit.

You guys keep on cheerleading and paying Wies $3 million per year. What a nice gig Wies has going,

$3 million for 1 - 10 record, and most of you people think KU has improved, only in America.

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 9 months ago

Not sure what that "Only in America" statement was about. I pay extra on the cable bills to watch overseas athletics, primarily football (soccer). I don't care what country your program is in, you can't expect a struggling program to turn around on a dime.

90sHawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Sorry pal, but if you've watched every game this year as I and many other fans on this board have, and still don't think this team has improved, you're either a fool, a troll, or you're knowledge of football is limited to fantasy football in your mom's basement. The team overall still isn't good, the record reflects that. But only comparing W-L records year over year without accounting for the actual play on the field is ignorant at best.

JakeBarnes 8 years, 9 months ago

You are correct. It has risen from being the worst in major college football to almost as good as the worst team in the Big 12.

KUMC84 8 years, 9 months ago

Too bad you can't back up your slander with statistics showing the improvement, much less W-L's. Having sat through all the games last year and this year, there were some things better and some worse, but the coaching, play calling and use of personnel wasn't much different. As for next year, everyone is so excited because we beat out LSU for a DT and OU's star receiver that transferred here, so it seems like you're buing into the same hype as this year. LSU doesn't show that they offered him and OU didn't object to McCay leaving. That makes me think these players aren't going to make us a bowl team next year. I'm also disappointed in Weiss as a coach. Why would smoeone want to give max effort when a coach says there is a mismatch in talent. You didn't hear Snyder say that last year when OU pounded KSU or this year when Baylor looked like they had more athletic players. Instead, he figured out how to use the players he had to come back and beat a team like Texas that had more talent than most Big 12 teams and actually played more inspired last Saturday than they did against us.

90sHawk 8 years, 9 months ago

"Having sat through all the games last year and this year, there were some things better and some worse, but the coaching, play calling and use of personnel wasn't much different" .... I'd start to question if you attended the games blindfolded. Look, I said the team still isn't good overall. We clearly have a long ways to go, but to say this team wasn't more organized, gave better effort, and fought harder is dishonest. Gill's team was dysfunctional, habitually missing their assignments, and constantly collapsed in the 3rd Qtr under a coaching staff that NEVER had an answer.

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 9 months ago

Was so excited watching Toben play RB in 2009... I was looking forward to watching him improve. I cant help but feel a little bitter that it has to end like this for him.

JakeBarnes 8 years, 9 months ago

KU's football season can be summed up in two words, "it stunk!"

I don't know about the coaches and the players, but I am glad the misery has ended.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

Sayers is right. There are a lot of cheerleaders and the local media is doing its best to sell improvement. For some reason, we are expected to believe that 1-11 is an improvement from 2-10. To hear everyone talk, Gill's staff was so inept that anyone could come in and get a couple of extra wins. This team was blown as much this tear as they were last year. By virtue of the fact the team was more experienced than last year, there should have been measurable improvement. I'm glad Gill is out, and I don't advocate a coaching change. The same apologists for this year's team saying we need more time were ready fire Gill after one year.

There is clearly more structure on this team. I know the coaches are working hard. We did not have pay $10m for the next five years to get these results.

By the way, saying we were only a few points from six is a loser's mentality. It's settling for moral victories. There were several of those games where we needed to get a late first down or make a defensive stop and we didn't do it. I look at these situations and do not see a large talent discrepancy, I see problems in play calling and execution which is related to coaching.

90sHawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Play calling is related to coaching, player's executing not so much. That's on them. It's the coaches job to put them in position to make plays and win games, but if the QB overthrows a receiver, or a receiver drops a ball that hits him in the hands, or a DB bites hard on a play action pass and gets burned deep, that is not on the coaches. We need talented, mentally strong players who are fundamentally sound and make the plays, particularly in critical situations. That is not something that can be changed in just one season. There are clearly 2 camps of KU Fball fans right now, those that believe the team is showing improvement despite the record, and those that believe this team is absolutely no different than last year.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

I think you frame the differences correctly. I know Gill was not the answer but I think several into a "in Charlie, we trust" mode and I don't understand how he has earned that. By bringing in Crist and some of the other transfer he was practically guaranteeing improvement in terms of wins. I never understood why he brings in a guy to QB for one year on a team like this. To me, I don't see a lot of moves as a coach that give me confidence he will eventually get us up to the level of the 7 th, 8th, and 9th place Big 12 team.

90sHawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Charlie hasn't earned unquestioned support, that's definitely a work in progress. For some fans at least. I do believe he looked at Crist as a band-aid of sorts for this year. He saw Webb here, believed there was no way Webb could run his offense, had a chance to get a player he was close too and worked through much adversity during his college career, and was going to give him an opportunity to resurrect himself and plug him in as our QB for a year. Unfortunately it didn't work out. Weis had limited recruiting time before this season and I don't blame him at all for picking up those 1-yr transfers to try and plug some holes he saw. He was trying to be competitive immediately. Now, you won't build a program over the long term doing this, but I see nothing wrong with it given the circumstances he was in when hired.

Boouk 8 years, 9 months ago

Gill would of gone 0-12 or 1-11 if he was still the head coach.

troutsee 8 years, 9 months ago

Chalie Weis, if you are going to be the head coach, then be the head coach. Go hire and offensive coordinator. Our offense was offensive. Second advice for Charlie. Hold your position coaches accountable and if there are consistent failures,then it is time to replace.

Next year, I hope the QB situation is better than this year. Our passing "attack" this year consisted of 5 yd or less hitches or fly patterns. Seldom saw crossing routes. Except for Trazelli and maybe Mundine, I saw very little speed or determination at the receiver position. However, the inaccuracies of our QBs could have played a role in that.

Very worried about next year. Not a whole lot of improvement between last year and this year. We need some more Jimmies and Joes. That is obvious.

90sHawk 8 years, 9 months ago

I disagree with your comment about Charlie being the HC, so hire an O-coordinator. I'd agree if this was the NFL, but not so much in college. A college coach doesn't have quite the enormous organization to deal with and help oversee like NFL head coaches do. I do think it couldn't hurt to have an O-coordinator just for the simple fact 2 minds are better than 1; bouncing ideas off each other, etc. But our "offense was offensive" as you put it b/c we had no passing game to speak of. Very little speed at the receiver position to get separation, dropped balls galore, and QB's who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Maybe Heaps is the answer at QB next year, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe McCay, JUCO recruit Mark Thomas, an improved Parmalee and Turzilli are the answers at WR, we'll have to wait and see. But looking at this does not make me worried about next year as you stated you are, that makes me optimistic. I want to see wins on the field, not solely just incremental improvement next year, but I see bright spots to look forward to.

Kontum1972 8 years, 9 months ago

it's all about the "CHICKS"....not the sports....!

RJ King 8 years, 9 months ago

Better check the trash can. Your Mom just threw out your Maxim.

mikehawk 8 years, 9 months ago

For goodness sakes. This is what happens to a D-1 program when you have three coaches in 4 years, regardless who is that coach may be. Like it or not, right or wrong, good choice or bad, we are, and need (YES, NEED TO BE) to be married to Charlie Weis. No matter how good of a coach you are, you have to have players. And as good as many of these young men are as people, many are not talented enough to be week in, week out, Big 12 type players. Players are recruited not in one year, but in relationships built over several years. Any time a program is as unsettled as we are at a traditionally bad football school known for its basketball team, with a track around the field in a stadium 3/4 filled with students who leave at half time, then this is a tough job. Folks, I hate to tell you this, we are fortunate to have a coach with a brand name. I have no idea, and neither do the other blog geniuses know if he is a good coach or not. Our AD is supposed to know these things. Let him do his job. The program needs continuity, good recruiting, solid coaching, and better players. I just went to the Conference USA championship game here in Tulsa between Tulsa University and Univ of Central Florida. KU couldn't stay on the field with either team. And TU is made up of players passed over by OU, OSU , KSU, and Arkansas, or who have transferred to Tulsa from bigger schools when they recognized they wouldn't play much at bigger schools. Surely, in a couple of years, with some stability in the program, KU can field a team who can compete with and beat those two teams I watched play some darn good football yesterday. The University of Tulsa has one of the premier names in all of college basketball (KU fans of heard of him) they have called upon to rebuild their once proud basketball program. It will take him some time for hims to do so. By the way, the TU football program that went winless back in the late 90's, is coached by a former local high school coach. Yes...we need stability and we need The Old Ball Coach Charlie Weis.

VaJay 8 years, 9 months ago

We all need to take a step back, let the dust settle from this season & give the coach a chance to recruit some speed, size, & talent. Give him a couple more seasons - at least - before you all bring in the judge, jury, & executioner.

Am I disappointed with the results? Absolutely

Was I hoping that somehow this coaching staff could "coach up" the existing set of players into performing better than they did in the past? Yes. (and they did improve to some extent, just not as much as we all hoped)

Did this team compete better through 4 quarters, and appear better organized, make fewer boneheaded mistakes? Yes

Are we hearing "coachspeak" and mindless drivel when the coach is telling us what happened (which was the case for the two previous years)? No

Given the above, let's support the program and look forward to a better year next year.

Rock Chalk.

90sHawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Two completely logical and reasonable posts in a row by you and mikehawk that I can certainly agree with. We need stability badly, and Weis should get no less than 4 years, if not all 5 on his contract. And we definitely are a better organized team that makes fewer mistakes. Just need to get the horses in here now that can compete week in and week out in a tough Big 12 conference.

Robert Brown 8 years, 9 months ago

Why is he held to. A different standard than Turner Gill. It will be clear after three years if he is making progress.

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