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Friday, April 20, 2012

NCAA denies hardship waiver for KU receiver Justin McCay

Jayhawks plan to appeal ruling

Transfer receiver Justin McCay breaks through a line of defenders to catch a pass during practice on Tuesday, April 10, 2012.

Transfer receiver Justin McCay breaks through a line of defenders to catch a pass during practice on Tuesday, April 10, 2012.

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The NCAA on Friday denied the hardship waiver requested by Kansas University wide receiver Justin McCay, leaving the sophomore from Bishop Miege High ineligible to play during the upcoming season.

The news came after a highly-publicized couple of days of waiting. Last week, KU coach Charlie Weis announced that the NCAA would review McCay’s case on Wednesday of this week and that a ruling would be handed out Wednesday or Thursday. At Thursday morning’s practice, Weis reiterated that he expected the news, good or bad, on Thursday, but Thursday came and went without a word.

According to a KU press release, the university plans to appeal the ruling at the recommendation of the NCAA.

“We are disappointed in the NCAA staff’s decision,” KU coach Charlie Weis said. “But we will take its advice and will appeal to the Subcommittee. We certainly hope that the members of the Subcommittee, who work day-to-day on campuses and in conference offices, will see Justin’s situation for what it is and make a decision that is in his best interest.

Weis continued: “I’ve spoken to Justin and he understands the initial ruling by the NCAA and is encouraged that they recommended that we appeal his case to the Subcommittee. He will make a statement after the ruling by the Subcommittee.”

KU will make its appeal to the Subcommittee for Legislative Relief, which is comprised of representatives from conferences and universities from around the country, by next Tuesday. The Subcommittee, which is the only group with the authority to deviate from the waiver guidelines that the NCAA is required to follow when approving waiver requests, will make its decision by 5 p.m., the following Tuesday, May 1.

McCay, a 6-foot-3, 215-pound former five-star prospect who participated in the U.S. Army All-American game as a senior at Bishop Miege, signed with Oklahoma out of high school and red-shirted during the 2010 season. He played only sparingly last season and chose to transfer to KU at the start of the spring semester because of a desire to be closer to his family and his hometown. He is seeking to have three years to play out three seasons of eligibility instead of having to sit out the 2012 season and having two years to play two.

McCay was listed as a second string player, behind senior Kale Pick, on the depth chart that was released at the start of spring drills.

Comments

John Myers 9 years, 9 months ago

The NCAA is such a freakin' joke.. They deny it, but they specifically advise that KU appeals? That would seem that they think it has merit, so why not just approve it in the first place?

Dirk Medema 9 years, 9 months ago

You refer to the "NCAA" as if it is a singular person. The NCAA is a compilation of workers employeed to perform specific tasks.

The application was reviewed by a staff person - a low level employee who reads and checks boxes. They have the brains to realize that the application has merit, but they don't have the authority to deviate from checking boxes.

They also know that the Subcommittee does have the authority to go beyond the check boxes, and interpret the merits of the case. Having the staff person check boxes actually speeds up the process.

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 9 months ago

Anyone have the NCAA's address? I have (eh-hem) something to mail them.

Sam Brockert 9 years, 9 months ago

Not yet....wait to see if the subcommitee denies it too...

Bville Hawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Better be careful with that kind of comment, you might have the FBI knocking on your door!

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 9 months ago

Let them knock. They are all getting hammered messing with strippers.

bad_dog 9 years, 9 months ago

Ted's music rocks. His loudmouth hyperbole sucks.

He's decided his musical expertise qualifies him as an expert on all things political, outdoor living, resources, etc., etc.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 9 months ago

He is an expert hunter as well, and he has as much right to an opinion as you. Just because it seems his politics differ from yours doesn't give you the right to minimalize who he is.

bad_dog 9 years, 9 months ago

No "minimalization" involved on my part if your comment was referencing my post.

I don't care whether Ted's an expert hunter, musician or nail tech. He's still a hyperbolic attention ho, IMHO. His opinion is what it is and I don't begrudge him the right to state it. He says what he says to keep his name prominently out there.

Ted's always taken shots at something or someone in order to feed his ego, e.g. "Jimmy's dead, but I'm still Ted" in reference to Hendrix's fatal drug overdose. Nugent got a bigger, louder forum/audience to dispense his opinions solely because he gained fame from his music back in the day. Otherwise he'd be just another voice in a rather noisy crowd.

OldOldHawk 9 years, 9 months ago

I guess if you like bear poachers who violate federal laws he rocks.

Ryan Shelton 9 years, 9 months ago

That's really weak. Is he guilty? Sure, but I wonder if you know all of the rules in each state's hunting guides? Oklahoma's alone is about fifty pages. In all truth, the Nuge is an advocate of fair-game chase and provides food for his family through hunting, and the guy made a simple mistake for which he is paying.

clevelandjayhawker 9 years, 9 months ago

Why should we expect anything different from the CBAA? (south park reference)

hbjayhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

NCAA doesn't care about STUDENT athletes. Clearly, this case was obvious and worth of a waiver exception. When Kentucky is stripped of their title in 2016, I wonder if the NCAA will deny Coach Cal's petition for reinstatement and encourage him to petition?

squawkhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Why? What is really different from hundreds of other kids seeking transfers each year?

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

You flippiin Hippocrates! The NCAA screws us every f-ing time! Di&%$#@ds! But it's not about money! Right you crooked jackasses!

Andy Hess 9 years, 9 months ago

What do you have against Hippocrates? Do you think Hippocrates was a hypocrite?

kureader 9 years, 9 months ago

You win "funniest smartass" of the day! lol.

But, except for his improper spelling, rxdoc was right!

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

Damn! Here's a rule, never post from your cell phone. The spell check screws you every time!

tis4tim 9 years, 9 months ago

Maybe you can appeal to your carrier's subcommittee to get a spellcheck waiver. :^)

jayhawker4life05 9 years, 9 months ago

Please for the love of god tell me you aren't really a pharmacist. If you are...tell me where and I will never get my RX filled at your facility. I don't need you mixing up my medication b/c of you inability to spell/read. How in the hell do you not know how to spell hypocrite?

jayhawker4life05 9 years, 9 months ago

Please for the love of god tell me you aren't really a pharmacist. If you are...tell me where and I will never get my RX filled at your facility. I don't need you mixing up my medication b/c of your inability to spell/read. How in the hell do you not know how to spell hypocrite?

Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, he double posted b/c he f'ed up his own spelling in his first post with..."b/c of YOU inability...". YOUR inability. Guess that makes him a hippocrate.

Ryan Mullen 9 years, 9 months ago

Please tell me where you live, I don't want to come anywhere near you. If you get this upset when someone spells something incorrectly I would hate to see what would happen if you were to be looked at in the wrong way.

Chris Bailey 9 years, 9 months ago

Hey smart guy I really appreciate the comment. I typed the first three letters on my phone and it finished it for me. Spelling things like amoxicillin and meropenem isn't a problem as spell check doesn't f*ck it up for you! Thanks for the d!ck comment though!

Page Butler 9 years, 9 months ago

I think it was pretty obvious except to the oblivious that you were commenting from a phone and it auto corrected for you. I would agree with you calling all of these guys D!Cks.

barackchalkjhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Just another snub by the NCAA, what did we do to those guys? Hope they change their minds during the appeals process but I highly doubt it.

bradh 9 years, 9 months ago

The NCAA used to call KC home. There was quite a bit of backlash from the folks in KC when they left for Indianapolis. As Coach Self says, KC is a KU town, so most of that backlash came from KU alums/fans. There could easily still be hurt feelings on both sides.

I don't think that's the case in this instance. The story says McCay didn't meet the NCAA guidelines and required a waiver to get his hardship case approved. My question is, why didn't whoever reviewed it just pass it on to the committee that could grant the waiver if they thought it had the merit for a waiver?

Philip Bowman 9 years, 9 months ago

Before you get too hysterical, stop to consider the purpose of a University. It is not there to prepare athletes for "the next level." Supposedly the atheltes are there to get an education. But those that leave early make a mockery of that supposition and of the school's mission. Those of you that hate the NCAA fail to understand (or really don't care about) that purpose. Do you really want the result of no NCAA? Consider what it would do to KU's opportunities. Does it have the resouces to battle the big dollar schools in the east and west and those supported by the likes of Boone Pickens? If not, it won't be able to hire, yes hire, "student" athletes that can perform well enough to compete on a national basis. We'd be better off if the NCAA was stronger and enforced its rules vigorously.

Dan Pawlowski 9 years, 9 months ago

If they really cared then freshman would not be eligible to play and would have to stay 3 years if on scholarship.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

That's a crazy idea. nobody would EVER do that.

oh wait..............

The Good Ol Days..........

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 9 months ago

Do tell, how exactly does the NCAA force a kid to stay for 3 years?

The 3 year rule, such a the one in football, was instituted by the NFL not the NCAA. It requires that players are 3 years removed from high school before becoming eligible. A player does not have to attend college to be eligible.

The baseball rule that says that - a player can go to the Big Leagues directly from high school, but if he chooses college he mus then be 3 years removed from high school, before becoming eligible - was instituted by Major Baseball and not the NCAA.

The one year rule in basketball as we know it was established by the NBA and not by the NCAA.

The NCAA has no authority or power to force an individual to attend college for any period of time or to go to college in the first place. The eligibility rules to play professional sports are established by the professional sports Leagues and not by the NCAA.

I would love to see the baseball rule implemented for basketball, where the few, truly NBA ready players can go directly to the NBA and the rest have to wait 3 years, preferably in college where they have chance to get a degree before turning professional. If that does not work, at least they have a chance to go back to college and complete their degree.

justinesmydog 9 years, 9 months ago

The premise of your argument is flawed.

One of KU's primary purposes is to prepare students for "the next level." It's damn near the only reason the university exists. Does Harvard consider Bill Gates a fool or embarrassment to the institution? Or do they just figure he was white, so it's ok.

Dan Pawlowski 9 years, 9 months ago

P.S. The "white" part just adds to perception your ranting randomly .

baldwinjhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

I agree, except for the fact that We are one of the big dollar schools in the country.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Before everyone goes ballistic, the way I read this is that the employee(s) of the NCAA that made this ruling could not grant his request based on the guideline they have to go by. BUT, they feel the case maybe has special circumstances and should therefore be reviewed by the committee.

Does anyone else get that drift?

amatxjayhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

That's exactly the way I read it. In fact I'd say there is a good chance this will end up in our favor.

stevemize 9 years, 9 months ago

That is exactly how I read it also. Why would the NCAA recommend an appeal if they did not feel it would be approved by a subcommittee that could actually validate the appeal?

Benjamin Simon 9 years, 9 months ago

agreed. similar head nods are made in lower level district/trial courts all the time - bound by precedent (or in this case guidelines) and are powerless to override them. still, sucks they have to jump through hoops.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 9 months ago

Yep. And the expectations were set by the coaching staff and the LJW writers, as we kept hearing there were lots of reasons for the hardship to be granted. Of course, they had little choice, since we clamored for news every day. I kind of wish this had been done quietly, so we wouldn't feel so let down.

Joe Joseph 9 years, 9 months ago

Let's pretend for a second that McCay does not get a hardship waiver. Does this mean he would have to sit out for 2 years for transferring within the conference? Or am I just being stupid?

Sam Brockert 9 years, 9 months ago

No, you are not being stupid michael. The answer is no, he would not. Only one year is NCAA enforced the other would have been Big 12 enforce. But Oklahoma signed off on releasing him to transfer in conference to KSU, KU or MU, i believe. So he would only have to sit out a year.

ejlumus 9 years, 9 months ago

KU should play him!!! ..................Big FU to the ncaa

squawkhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

So then the NCAA could erase any losses from our record...BRILLIANT?

ejlumus 9 years, 9 months ago

Exactly! you are the only one to catch the sacasm. LOL

Steve Jacob 9 years, 9 months ago

I do not see any reason why the NCAA should let him play this year. If nobody got to sit out a year, it would be total madness for all teams. But I agree he should get three years after sitting out.

april28 9 years, 9 months ago

It would, in no way, be total madness. If a kid is in good academic standing, he should be able to move. Period. Put some super-heavy penalties on any tampering infractions and let it go. Scholarships are one-year contracts. Just ask Merv Lindsey.

texashawk10 9 years, 9 months ago

Here's the biggest flaw with letting kids transfer without penalty though. It would essentially create free agency in college athletics and let elite players collaborate to go to same school for the sole purpose of winning a title. I'm sure KU basketball would be a beneficiary of something like that, but that is something that would ruin college athletics in general though.

KUFan90 9 years, 9 months ago

I think it's as easy as requiring the releasing school to approve the transfer.

If the releasing school gets shafted, they just don't approve and the kid sits out.

Self approved Merv.

OU approved Justin.

No madness. Let them play.

bad_dog 9 years, 9 months ago

Unless you have a coach like Bo Ryan. The Badgers are barring a kid from transferring to two conferences and Iowa State.

jhox 9 years, 9 months ago

I don't pretend to know the specifics of his hardship, but I strongly suspect it must have been significant, or Bob Stoops would never have released him to another Big 12 program, with his blessings.

What I do know is that the NCAA seems to have an axe to grind with KU. Whenever there is any decision in relation to KU, it seems they always end up with the worst case decision. You have Kentucky reportedly paying $200,000 to Anthony Davis' Dad, and as far as I know they're not even looking into it (despite the story coming from a source as credible as the Chicago Sun Times.) John Wall gets illegal benefits as an AAU player and gets a couple of games on the bench. Josh Selby does basically the same thing, I believe with less benefits involved, and basically has to sit out the first semester (if memory serves, and it may not...in any case, he sat much, much longer than Wall.)

You have Cam Newton's Dad shopping him around to the highest bidder, and admitting he did so (supposedly without Cam's knowledge) and Auburn is still allowed to play him in the NC game and in the SEC championship game. Larry Brown pays for a recruits airfare to attend a family funeral and we're not allowed to defend our 1988 championship, and get a couple of years of significant probation. A few years later UK does things that should have gotten them the death penalty and they got a slap on the wrist. Someone has it out for KU in the NCAA offices. It goes back to the days when they were in Overland Park. Probably some MU alum behind all of this.

Granted, some of my comments are meant to be tongue in cheek, but you have to admit, we never catch a break like other schools seem to catch in any of our NCAA dealings.

ParisHawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Correction on John Wall vs. Josh Selby: the guideline is 9 games suspension if you got more than $1000 in benefits. Wall got less than $1000; Josh got significantly more than $1000, just like Darnell Jackson. Wall sat two games, Josh and Darnell 9 games. No inconsistency there.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Pretty much agree with everything you say. Brandon Rush is the only instance that I recall that went our way.

Hopefully the committee will reverse this decision.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 9 months ago

ben mclemore, traylor, braden anderson.....

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 9 months ago

Only Anderson got it from the NCAA. The other two were held back from playing by the Big12.

John Randall 9 years, 9 months ago

Did anyone else notice that all these cases go through three stages? investigation recommendation (by staff) ruling (by committee)

Why is it surprising the committee members are more likely to be reasonable than the bureaucratic power structure, whose interest is in being even more powerful?

Tony Bandle 9 years, 9 months ago

There are several things working in our favor:

1] Oklahoma's totally supportive stance toward hardship.

2] Recommendation to committee appeal being an indication of recognition of the validity of the claim and dodging being responsible for the exception when granted.

3] Name recognition of Head Coach Charlie Weis - better Jayhawk team means more fans in the stands and more fannies in front of the TVs.

4] The actual athlete is 5 star, good kid who has barely played in the last two seasons at a position that would not give Kansas an unfair advantage [if he was a five star QB....forget about it]

5] The NCAA having flexed it's muscle and showing who'se the Boss by denial at the initial level, can now play good cop and magnaminously grant little old Kansas a favor by approving the request and this taking credit as the Advocate for the Student-Athlete.

I guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 9 months ago

PS It's only April and I've already posted a football comment......yes, the world IS going to end on Dec. 21, 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 9 months ago

Tell us what our record will be in football and basketball as of 12/21/12.

Then I will be duly impressed !

Screw the Mayans and their dumb calendar.

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 9 months ago

Not surprising... If we were Ohio St. maybe things would have gone differently

Jayhawk1116 9 years, 9 months ago

If it was Ohio State and a BCS Bowl Game the NCAA would come to a different conclusion. This is why I hate the NCAA...

Ian Sadler 9 years, 9 months ago

Hey Tait, Do you think this is just the NCAA buying more time to make a decision? Suggesting they take it to a subcommittee?

KGphoto 9 years, 9 months ago

Lame. I've read his story, and I don't know what the specifics for his return are, but he's had plenty of hardship in his life. Give him a break.

Has KU ever been on the winning end of an NCAA decision. I hate to whine but it seems to be getting a little ridiculous.

Never mind. We'll just handle it the way we handled the last one, eh?

As Tom Beringer would say, from Major League, in the locker room scene when they tell the team the owner won't allow a winner in Cleveland.

"There's only one thing left to do. Win the whole Fu@k!ng Thing!"

chezlog 9 years, 9 months ago

National Communists Against Athletes - the Boz

Gary Wirsig 9 years, 9 months ago

Hey, at least we get a ruling from the subcommittee by May 1. We don't have to wonder until the season begins, unlike what has often happened in basketball. I'm optimistic - please pass the kool aid.

Micky Baker 9 years, 9 months ago

This is what happens when we hired a guy like Turner Gill who drove this program down from the respect it had because some guys didn't like being disciplined by Mark Mangino. Also suspect that some of the NCAA staff might be Notre Dame fans and are resentful of Charlie Weis. People let their personal emotions prevent objectivity often. Sad but true.

bad_dog 9 years, 9 months ago

"...Turner Gill who drove this program down from the respect it had because some guys didn't like being disciplined by Mark Mangino. "

" People let their personal emotions prevent objectivity often. Sad but true."

Case in point. Let it go for God's sake.

ejlumus 9 years, 9 months ago

Suggest we bring al sharpton & Jessie Jackson into the appeal process.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 9 months ago

I don't find our Saturday football article anywhere???

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