Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Gary Bedore’s KU basketball notebook: Spring recruiting begins today


The biggest news of college basketball’s month-long spring signing period will be revealed at 6:30 p.m. today, when Shabazz Muhammad, the No. 1-ranked player in the Class of 2012, announces plans to attend either Duke, Kentucky or UCLA during a live telecast on ESPNU, ESPN3 and

Muhammad, a 6-foot-6 senior from Las Vegas’ Bishop Gorman High, who attended the Kansas-Missouri game on Feb. 25 as part of an official recruiting visit, has since eliminated KU.

As far as recruiting news involving the Jayhawks, KU is in line to pick up at least two signed letters-of-intent in coming days/weeks.

Andrew White, a 6-6, 210-pound guard/forward from Miller School in Chester, Va., who committed to KU in December, has received his scholarship papers in the mail and will sign in a ceremony at his high school sometime early next week, his dad, Andrew White Sr., said Tuesday.

White, the No. 56-ranked player in the Class of 2012 by, averaged 22.9 points and 10 rebounds a game for 20-10 Miller School. He chose KU over North Carolina State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Richmond, Texas, Georgetown and others. He will play in the Capital Classic all-star game on April 21 in Alexandria, Va.

“Because of needs on the team he was on, he played some 5 (center) and 4 (power forward). His natural position is the 2 (shooting guard),” White’s dad said Tuesday. “His court vision is very good. We’ve been working hard on lateral foot movement so he can guard a smaller player with his length (6-11 wingspan). He’s working so much on defense. We’ve been watching Baylor games and K-State games to see how to defend some of the quick players and jump shooters in the league.”

KU in November received an oral commitment from unranked Anrio Adams, a 6-3 combo guard from Seattle’s Rainier Beach High, who averaged 19.8 points a game for Washington’s 27-3 state title team. Adams tells he will take the ACT test Saturday and visit KU the following weekend. It’s possible he may not sign his letter until scores of that test are tabulated. He tells he is still planning on “moving to Kansas for good on July 3.”

The Jayhawks are in the running for No. 33-ranked Tony Parker, a 6-9 senior center from Miller Grove High in Lithonia, Ga. Parker has a final list of KU, Duke, UCLA, Georgia, Ohio State, Memphis and Georgetown.’s Eric Bossi said, “He was expected to have a decision within the next few days, but the latest word is that his decision could drag out a bit longer. Each time it looks like he may be locking in on one program, rumors arise that it’s another.” Some analysts have said KU’s momentum slowed when assistant Danny Manning announced plans to leave for Tulsa. Parker will play in the Jordan Classic on Saturday in Charlotte, N.C.

The recruiting period lasts from today until May 16. KU currently has 14 scholarship players on next year’s projected roster. The NCAA limit for scholarships is 13. Sophomore Justin Wesley was on scholarship this past season after arriving as a walk-on.


lothario64118 9 years ago

Got a strong feeling Parker ain't committing to KU. If it doesn't happen I wonder why Self is losing out on some of the top-mid high recruits.


okiedave 9 years ago

Many kids are not willing to compete against other top competition for playing time, but they want to go to a name school. They will look at the rosters and other committed recruits and decide if they can get quality playing time immediately or will have to earn it with other committed recuits or returning players. Kansas will be stacked next year with some experienced players and any freshman coming in is going to have to earn their playing time against some very good players.

BC5 9 years ago

Damn, with the kids Self has gotten he has won a title, 8 conference titles, and a ton of games. Stop looking at recruiting stars and start looking at the way Self coaches and develops players. He has recruited everywhere he has coached and add on last years players and recruits, Perry Ellis and company (Peters may be a terrific player) next years recruits... Self has gotten it done. Calipari has been getting 5 star players every year and finally won his first title (until it is vacated by the NCAA) Self isn't losing out on anything. He brings in players.

kellerman411 9 years ago

I disagree, even a coach like Self needs top recruits. A little horsepower never hurts.

yates33333 9 years ago

Agree. The lack of depth this year proved your point.

Paul Brozik 9 years ago

Yeah. What an awful year. Great point.

Jesse Johnson 9 years ago

I also agree. I hear people say this all the time on these forums, that we don't need top 25 recruits. I always think they must have forgotten that our championship team was built around top 25 recruits (Rush, Chalmers, Collins, Aurthur). Jackson, Kaun and Robinson were all in the top 50/75 too.

Cameron Cederlind 9 years ago

Next year we'll still have 5 players in the top 50 (maybe 6) plus 8 (or 9) in the top 100, I wouldn't say that's too bad. A.J. Abrams was a hell of a player and shooter and I think he was over 100. So we have a #24, #34, and #70 as seniors, which equates a lot better than a freshman top 10. We'll definitely be young and 2013-14 is going to be more like a rebuilding year than this year with how young everyone will be but I would say we could have that same type of '08 talent (3 seniors, 3 juinors, sophomore) when Tharpe is a senior. We don't need to have 5 top 50 recruits every year, just need to get 1-2 each year and hope they stay. The one-and-done of Henry and Selby really hurt this team, had they stayed, we would no doubt have that '08 talent this year and next year. I wouldn't say Self's recruiting should be scrutinized as much as it is.

shawk13 9 years ago

while I agree that Self is one of the best in the business at realizing potential and getting the most out of his players, the fact still remains that we got dismantled by a Kentucky team that was literally a squad of top 10 recruits playing an offense that is no more complicated than "match up 1-on-1 with a defender and take him to the rim."

Our success with top 10 recruits has been rather poor recently, but it is discouraging that a program with integrity, lead by a class act like Bill Self, that has shown it can consistently perform can't at least draw more interest from top recruits.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years ago

"the fact still remains that we got dismantled by a Kentucky team..." That was the first half and with a little help with the refs. When KU started to play like a team, it actually outscored Kentucky by 6 in the second half. Do you realize that KU got within 5 point with 2 minutes left and had the ball with a chance to cut the lead even further? So much for being dismantled. Is your real name Andy Katz by any chance.

Joe Baker 9 years ago

"dismantled"? Really? 8 points is a dismantling?

Marcia Parsons 9 years ago

Maybe those top recruits not only don't want to compete for playing time, but don't want to play within a team concept. They may want to be "the man" instead of part of a team where they have to share the glory.

Brendan Connolly 9 years ago

We had the 3rd ranked player in the class of 2009 and the top ranked player in 2010.....How poor has it been when we are one class removed from the top recruit?

shawk13 9 years ago

bconn73: I meant our success while having one and dones hasn't been great recently... poorly worded, sorry

oldalum: no doubt you are correct, and I will take Self's system over the alternative any day, but there has still been opportunities for players to come in and be go-to guys and we can't seem to nail those guys down either.

the rest: dismantled may be a bit strong when applied to the final outcome of the game, but what I was referring to was watching as our best players struggled against superior athleticism. Coaching and desire kept us in the game. Kentucky just coasted on player ability for most of the game. Their guards could hardly be stopped whether it be driving or hitting open jump shots. We crawled back in the game because it meant more to us than it did to those players with dollar signs in their eyes, but they still hit important shots to seal the win.

regardless of choice of phrasing, you can't honestly argue that the team that beat us wasn't 80%+ talent 20%- coaching and intangibles. Coach Slimeball would be lucky to see the NIT if he had to have the same 18 year old kids that come to Lawrence to play.

Maybe these players are just destined to not fit in to our system. I am completely fine with this as long as we keep winning, but it does feel disrespectful, as someone who has so much pride in crimson and blue, for top players to come to Lawrence, see our facilities and tradition, speak to Manning and Self and the players, witness atmosphere like the MU @ KU game, and still decide another school is a better choice.

michael66086 9 years ago

BC5, You hit the nail on the head! Coach self knows how to get toughness out of players he has. It is rearkable what he has done. Like this past season, He lost players that scored 80% of the scoring for Kansas and still won a Big 12 Title! Amazing, given I believe KU was picked 5th in the Big 12. This guy can outright coach! Anyone who doesn't realize that, does Not know basketball!

Jeremy Bolinger 9 years ago

We have 3 incoming bigs for next year, Wesley, and young and Withey returning. Not worried about this kid. He also looks like he could eat himself into Self's doghouse.

Ben Kane 9 years ago

wow, only took a week to start the sky is falling, Self has problems thread eh?

jayhawkinATL 9 years ago

The loss of Parker may be a blessing in disguise. Heard rumors that he is often overweight, sluggish, and unmotivated.

gchawk 9 years ago

Perfect analysis, couldn't agree more.

jaybate 9 years ago

This is Self's system made clear.

Everyone should read ralster's post.

AsadZ 9 years ago

Ralster, I agree with most of your points however I have to say that Self tries to recruit best available talent and does his best to get them to come to KU regardless of their rankings.

I also have a different opinion on X. I thought X did everything asked of him by Self and coaching staff. Furthermore, he was and has been a great ambassador of KU basketball both on and off the court. I agree that his father had too much influence on some of his decisions but the kid was a stud and represented himself in a 1st class manner throughout.

In addition, ever since joining the league he has always supported KU program more so than some of the other ex KU popular players playing in the league.

Ben Simonett 9 years ago

Why did we argue so intensly last off season?

we seem to be on the same page, when it comes to our expectations about recruiting.

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

I feel like a follower saying "+1" .. but the crowd is right.

Team chemistry. If we would have landed Deandre Daniels for example, do we make the the national title game?

Jeff Kilgore 9 years ago

Exactly. If players like SM visit during our KU/MU game and aren't convinced, they obviously belong somewhere else. Self would like higher ranked players but obviously doesn't rely on them.

RISEABOVEHATE56 9 years ago

Well the Kansas Jayhawks basketball team is going to suck in 2012-2013 season if they dont get atleast 1 top 5 players in this recruiting class...Bill Self needs to do a better job at recruiting if he wants to keep his job as the Kansas Jayhawks basketball coach.

Its kinda disappointing that the Kansas Jayhawks can never land a top 5 recruiter to have a huge run threw the NCAA tourny

They will need that if they want to make another Final four appearance

Allan Olson 9 years ago

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gchawk 9 years ago

I can only assume that you're being sarcastic.

Michael Bratisax 9 years ago

Does Perry Ellis count? I half feel this is sarcasm. The other half would get my comment removed.

Sam Finocchiaro 9 years ago

You obviously know nothing about HCBS, he's never going to be fired. We're not a team that needs top five recruits every year to win (Kentucky). HCBS develops players, thats why he gets to Final Fours

Christopher Giordano 9 years ago

My thought is that in the past 3 years Self will have churned our 5 Lottery Picks. He seems to have an eye for the right talent for his program.

Keep it going Coach Self.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, GO KU!

michael66086 9 years ago

Well maybe KU doesn't pay players like Kentucky & some other schools! :)

lothario64118 9 years ago

Also, if KU does get Parker, Wesley and who else will redshirt? Highly doubt Tharpe will. He's our only other PG.

Steve Quatrocky 9 years ago

Keith Langford will go back to paying for Wesley's tuition like was the original set up until the scholarships became available and Self/Hinson used them to reward Wesley and Jueneman until they were needed.

Boot Camp and a European Trip will be a big time competition for roster and scholarship spots with this much talent in the pool. With BMac and Jamari already in the program, and especially Hudy pushing them in the weight room, for a whole year already they will be much more ready to play. Dont write Merv off yet either as his biggest issue was getting bigger/stronger, the same thing that would have tempered any contribution BMac could have made as a skinny freshman.

I expect watching this group compete and develop next year to be a lot of fun and frustrating at times. Coach Self will actually be able to "Roy" next year, send in 5 guys to replace the starters when they arent playing well. This year, he had to just yell at them as they ran up and down the court or call an early timeout. The shelves have certainly been restocked for the next couple of years.

Anybody beyond White and Adams this year, will require a redshirt or transfer from Merv or Nadir as I believe Garrett and Niko are both walkons. I dont see them doing that unless they can get Shabazz, a 7 footer or a proven guy like Oriahki from UConn.

Speaking of UConn, wonder how Deandre Daniels is reacting to their postseason ban and how he feels about that decision to go to UConn instead of KU now? We could have really used him this year off the year, not so much.

I think most of the current recruiting focus is for 2013-14 when we have to replace Withey, EJ, Trav, Young, and maybe an early exit from BMac or Ellis as one and dones? We've already got two great Shooting Guard recruits committed, Conner Frankamp and Brannen Greene, so probably shopping for a 7 footer and a pure point guard with the other two spots.

Cal may be the one and done wizard but Bill does his best work with the 3-4 year guys that can be developed instead of just organizing a team of minor league NBA'ers. The cupboard is restocked now for Coach Self to cook us up plenty of W's the next couple of years.

Scott Oswalt 9 years ago

Deandre Daniels is overrated. I'm glad he didn't come to KU.

justanotherfan 9 years ago

Ellis won't leave after one year. BMac may because, although it will be his first year playing, it will be his second in the program, so it is much more likely that he hits the ground running next year and has a huge year from start to finish.

Marcia Parsons 9 years ago

Unless Upshaw just slipped through the cracks, I can't see us being especially interested since we didn't seem to be before. Does he have anything going for him except height? I had never heard of him until he committed. Anyone else? I'll admit I don't follow recruiting all that closely. Maybe he's planning to follow Frank.

Kye Clark 9 years ago

Wesley can't redshirt, since he already sat out a year after transferring from Lamar.

John Boyle 9 years ago

He won't redshirt, he will go off scholarship and SuperK with foot the bill.

Kevin Studer 9 years ago

Self is losing out on some top recruits for the same reason KU gets some top recruits and other schools don't: there are a lot of good programs in college basketball. There is a lot of parity. Kids choose colleges for different reasons. UK is where you go if you are an NBA-ready freshman who doesn't want to go to class. Baylor is where you go if you want to play for a coach who will bend the rules. UNC, Duke, Kansas, Syracuse, UCLA, Arizona, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan State, UConn, Wisconsin, and a bevy of other programs are all quality schools with different things to offer. We love our coach and our tradition, but not every single top prospect who can go anywhere in the nation thinks KU is the greatest and only basketball program in America. Some will. Some won't. It is not a negative reflection on Self at all that kids go to other quality colleges.

HawkitToEm 9 years ago

indeed. kansas doesn't get the top blue chippers, nor does it get the deserved media attention, but we still get it done. ROCK CHALK

hawksince51 9 years ago

It amazes me that Baylor does so well recruiting but can never win a conference title. So you may be on to something there.

pmcguire33 9 years ago

Agree. I don't think Scott Drew has much of a clue. The NCAA is sniffing around Baylor now because of the illegal text messages. If they look hard enough, I'm sure they will find more than that.

Alohahawk 9 years ago

According to a report I read a few weeks ago, Scott Drew (and then Tennessee coach, Ben Pearl) contacted J. D. Cooper of Ohio U. (after Cooper received the Conference Freshman of the Year award), attempting to recruit him away from Ohio U. That is a direct violation of NCAA rules. I would hope the NCAA directs some of their attention towards that, along with the phone call violations they are already checking into.

lee3022 9 years ago

The NCAA today accepted Baylor's self-imposed punishments on the basketball programs. Drew will sit out the first two league games next year. Probation for three years.

trustyourSelf 9 years ago

Love what I'm hearing about Andrew White. "We’ve been working hard on lateral foot movement so he can guard a smaller player with his length (6-11 wingspan). He’s working so much on defense. We’ve been watching Baylor games and K-State games to see how to defend some of the quick players and jump shooters in the league.” Wow....I can't wait to see this guy.

wrwlumpy 9 years ago

Andrew White will get many minutes this year. I watched one of his games at Miller in Charlottesville. He has spent his high school years going against junk defenses designed to stop him. He will have more freedom to showcase at KU. If he can slide his feet, you are looking at another Brandon Rush.

Benjamin Clay Jones 9 years ago

Now players are going on TV to announce which colleges they MIGHT attend?

This whole thing has gotten out of control . . . .

april28 9 years ago

If he opens with "I've decided to take my talents to......" I think that I'll puke.

nuleafjhawk 9 years ago

All I know is - Self BETTER start landing some top tier recruits and McDAA's or we are in big, big trouble.

How can we expect to win even a Big 12 conference championship or get to....say 24 straight NCAA's or ---GASP--- make it to the National Championship game without a handful of one and done's ?????

Oh - wait............

never mind

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

You do know that some people on this board do not understand the concept of irony and you will get Hate-Replies.

I hate it when the sky falls! What are we going to do?

Alohahawk 9 years ago

I don't disagree with your comments, except I was quite surprised when the recently released 2013 preseason rankings came out on a couple of the different national boards. Despite losing it's top two players, including half it's scoring and a third of it's rebounding, KU was ranked #3 by Dukie Vitale, and in the top 18 (I think it was CBSsports, or SI) on another. After what happened this past season, I'd say #18, to start the season, is a resonable ranking. And I like starting out low, simply because it doesn't put the Jayhawks's heads in the clouds. Part of KU's success this year, IMHO, was the motivation they had to prove the experts wrong. Yes, they were preseason choice as Big 12 Champs, but that was before the new recruits were all disqualified. When that happened, only the die-hards (and the Jayhawks, themselves) believed in KU. Next season's preseason rankings are a tribute to Bill Self's masterful coaching abilities, which were exemplified so well by this past season's achievements. Let the experts (ie. talking heads) beware, if they're going to belittle the Jayhawks, and/or indirectly, Bill Self.

I do so wish that McLemore and Traylor would have been allowed to play this past season. Because, as much as the talking heads have repeated into the ground about N. Carolina, Michigan State and Syracuse: What if?

nuleafjhawk 9 years ago

"Part of KU's success this year, IMHO, was the motivation they had to prove the experts wrong"

Alohahawk - you nailed it with that sentence. For THIS particular team, they seemed to bear down, grit their teeth, clench their fists, whatever cliche you want to use - they were at their best when they were underdogs.

That doesn't work for every team, and it may not for us next year, but I relished the games when we were not expected to win by the "experts".

kellerman411 9 years ago

I hope Elijah and Travis are planning on working their tails off this off-season. With all these young players contributing, those two will need to make themselves into elite guards. It would be nice if Travis could establish himself as a 3-point threat, that would help Bill spread defenses more.

Lindsey Buscher 9 years ago

"Muhammad...has since eliminated KU."

Once not a Jayhawk, never a Jayhawk!

So who cares, why lead off the KU basketball notebook with that???

april28 9 years ago

I forgot that he attended the MU game at the Phog. If that didn't lock him down, I've got to wonder what he would be looking for?

Same with Parker. Is it really that hard? Is there really that much detail that must go into this decision? I don't like the sound of it.

Chris1955 9 years ago

I think some of these guys may be looking for money to play, a la Cam Newton, or perhaps Anthony Davis. I think that this, along with Self's relentless devotion to defense sours many of these high level recruits on playing at KU.

dylans 9 years ago

Parker is worried about all the bigs Self is bringing in. He has good things to say about KU, but is worried about minutes. I wouldn't want a player that's scared to compete, but if he'll come in and compete then I'd love to have him. If he's not willing to be a Jayhawk to the bone then follow the money.

HawkKlaw 9 years ago

In a word, yes. There's much more to making a sound decision on where to attend college other than watching KU's miraculous comeback against MU in AFH. For us KU fans, that's all the validation we would need. But for sensible, up-and-coming basketball stars there's other factors, like location, money (no one talks about it, but it's definitely a factor), playing time, coaching staff, parents' preferences and a myriad of other factors.

If recruits only cared about comeback victories in AFH, everyone would go to Kansas. That's not even close to how it works.

Danny Hernandez 9 years ago

I believe Elijah, Travis and Jeff will work on their game all summer and be ready to be the leaders. EJ and Travis know they need to work on their 3 point shooting to complete their game.....I can't wait for late night....

Jeff Kilgore 9 years ago

So do I. How many times have I heard players say, "You just don't want to let Coach down?". That kind of respect is what makes our kids champions because that never say die attitude turns losses into wins. Who knows how many?

Andy Tweedy 9 years ago

If memory serves me correctly, the depth chart this year will include Withey, Johnson, White and Releford (4-stars), as well as Ellis and McLemore (5-stars). I realize we've missed out on some of the highly publicized recruits these past couple years, but the cupboard is far from bare. And that doesn't even include guys like Peters and Traylor, who were 3-stars but clearly have some serious potential and provide big bodies right out of the gate! Keep failing at recruiting, coach, I love it!!!

yates33333 9 years ago

As I recall Peters was a 4 star until he decided to play football.

april28 9 years ago

You are right. Another reason you can't really rely on the rankings - fully - for evaluating talent. He suddenly got worse as a basketball player? I don't think so. Heck, playing football may have made him a better basketball player.

Peters may be the surprise of the bunch.

Another thing to consider when analyzing the I looked over ESPN's top 50 or so players - there was a slew of 6-6 to 6-8 guys. Self's already filled up on this type of player. He'd take Shabazz because he's number one and would be gone in a year, but we don't really need another 6-8 forward in recruiting.

Jonathan Allison 9 years ago

I'm not sure if Peters was ever a 4 star recruit, but he definitely took a huge plunge in the rankings when he passed up AAU to train and play football. He's barely in the Rivals 150 now. I think that he's greatly underrated, but I don't know if he's ready to make an immediate impact at KU.

His size will definitely be useful though. He claimed a couple years ago that he has the body type that he can build as much muscle as he wants very quickly, but in baskteball that he actually had to work to keep down at his playing weight to help his quickness and explosivity. Sounds like he an Jamari both could be huge bodies for us for several years.Landon Lucas looks like a big dude too. We have a full stable of PFs now for the next 4 years, but in this coming year, it's going to have to be Perry Ellis who is the only one who yet is skilled enough to contribute on the offensize end. Unfortunately he doesn't have the same mass as the others to push people around inside. So we're probably gonna have to find one or two of the wide loads who we can plug in agaists strong rebounders. My guess is Jamari will fill that role just because he's had a season to work on his body in Hudy's program and learn the scheme's while practicing with the KU coaches and teams. And in true KU fashion he grew by getting pounded on by an All-American, future Pro in TRob.

The way I see the 4 and 5 positions at KU for next year is this. Withey and Ellis will start (Withey and Young may start initially, but Ellis should eclipse Young by second semester) Young and Traylor will be rotation guys. Wesley will be the 5th big when we have foul trouble or Ellis, Young, and Traylor struggle. Peters and Lucas will be garbage time only (at least by conference season).

Jonathan Allison 9 years ago

thanks. I'm not an explosion tester, but I have worked with explosion testing, and they look at several things including Pressure Generation, Minimum Ignition Energy, and Minimum Ignition Temperature.

An explosive athlete could be measured by the pressure they generate on the floor as they attempt escape gravity, and the "minimum ignition psyching".

So for instance, Jeff Withey requires a high energy psyching to ignite him. So he's got a propensity for lower explosivity than say Sherron Collins, who would get fired up about pretty much anything.

dylans 9 years ago

Actually peters went from 144 to 136. Adams jumped in too at 98.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years ago

Yeah, everyone knows you don't need to be strong to play basketball!

Jonathan Allison 9 years ago

I think that Johnson was actually listed as a 5 star recruit on Rivals.

Justin Daniel 9 years ago

We need a point guard more than Parker.

FarSideHawk 9 years ago

An Elijah-Muhammad back-court would have been a revelation to watch....but oh well....

yates33333 9 years ago

He will go to Kentucky. Cal is his kind of coach. He's a one and done for sure no matter what his upcoming season is like.

Craig Lang 9 years ago

I've heard Mohammad and Parker are rumored to go to UCLA. I think Howland is making some outrageous promises to these kids about playing time because he is desperate to keep his job at UCLA.

Andy Tweedy 9 years ago

I don't think guaranteed cracking the starting lineup at UCLA is anything that would require anything "outrageous"...did you see them last year?

nuleafjhawk 9 years ago

Yes it would have!

Can you imagine the fast break if we had Numbers?

The Judges would proclaim us number 1 and there would be an Exodus of KU fans to Atlanta next spring.

FarSideHawk 9 years ago

Glad that somebody got it! ;)

Now if X still had eligibility, things would have gotten really interesting.

FarSideHawk 9 years ago

Glad that somebody got it! ;)

Now if X still had eligibility, things would have gotten really interesting.

Dyrk Dugan 9 years ago

One thing that this article does not mention....and Self was quoted here locally in the KC Star, is that "we're not close to being done," and "but still, I’d like to be able to recruit one more without question.” (referring to a point guard).

So that to me says a couple of things: Tony Parker is probably out. and Anrio Adams is probably out too. He's a shooting guard for cryin out loud.....we don't need anymore of those.

and he's taking the ACT this Saturday? hasn't qualified yet...and that's not good, based on the most recent track record.

So somewhere out there, HCBS has a point guard he's going to push hard for....maybe at the JUCO level....or he's going to try and get Marcus Paige to switch from UNC....(highly doubtful, but again, he says he'd really like another point guard...nobody better in our area).

Personally, I'd love to land Parker....and then we're done. We can address point guard next year, and Tharpe can work his tail off this summer. With Withey staying, we're going to be pretty good next year.....let's just keep the good pipeline going in 2013.

april28 9 years ago

My takeaway from Self's comment was that Naadir is in trouble. Does anyone else read it that way?

southwindjay 9 years ago

He may be or Bill has a way of inspiring a player to lay it all out there by signaling to them that it isn't a right of passage.

Look at how he handled TT.

9 years ago

Agreed, his comment led me to think the same thing.

Marcia Parsons 9 years ago

Possible, but you could also take it that he needs another true point guard as back-up. He had to suffer this year without proper back-up at most positions, and I'm sure he doesn't want to do it again.

texashawk10 9 years ago

I actually did not have that concern. I have two theories about it why Self wants another PG and neither is because Naadir is in trouble. One is because he is planning on starting Naadir next year instead of McLemore like so many assume he will and he would like another game ready PG to back him up instead of just having EJ to back him up.

My other theory is Bill Self has some major concerns about whether or not Anrio Adams will be able to suit up for KU next season. Adams is another one of those kids who has attended 3 different HS and I think Self is trying to cover himself in the event that Adams has to go to prep school or isn't cleared to play his first year on campus like McLemore and Traylor.

I think Self wanting another PG in this class is more of a CYA than a lack of faith in Naadir's abilities because Naadir was making some noticeable improvements toward the end of the season and was getting a few more minutes than he had been during the middle part of the season because of his improvements.

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

In 2013-14 after EJ, HCBS will have the choice of Jr-Naadir, Soph-Rio Adam ( who is that 'tough-azz, 6'2-ish combo guard') or freshman Frankamp

John Randall 9 years ago

What I read about Frankamp is that he needs some time to become a point (even a combo). Not that he can't, just that he hasn't been called on to run an offense.

REHawk 9 years ago

I like what we just read from Andrew White's father. A 4-star recruit, 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan, commiting his pre-college springtime toward improving the mechanics of good defense. Bill Self could hardly ask for more. This recruit might play a significant role in the scheme of things next year. We look to be really loaded at the 2 and 3 positions. Travis might be focusing on tuning his ballhandling skills, along with daily 3 pt. improvement. Was it jb who envisioned his playing some time at the point next season?

jaybate 9 years ago


Travis could be just over powering at point guard, now that he has psychologically matured. Alas, Self has a history of not investing in developing a PG without two seasons to go, so while you and I are tempted, unless no other point is signed, and unless Naadir can't get better quickly, I fear our vision of Travis beheading girlie men point guards next year cannot be realized. Oh, but what a savage beauty he could bring to the point were he permitted. And imagine any two of EJ, BenMac, and Andrew White playing defense stretching wings to Travis slashing from the point! Oh it it is a basketball orgasm--not a wet dream--just thinking about it.

I will say my prayers and hope the basketball god answers.

KULA 9 years ago

Wake up from your dream, lol. Travis isn't nearly a good enough ballhandler (and won't become one over the summer) to play significant minutes at point.

jaybate 9 years ago


It was board rats like you that scoffed when I said Tyshawn would make a great point guard, and when I said EJ would play the 2 this season, instead of back-up at the one, and when I said Jeff Withey would be a very fine center eventually.

Travis could be a great ball handler.

Remember how knobs like you said Tyshawn could not learn to be a point guard, because he did not have the great dribbling skills?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Travis' problem is exactly what I said: Self won't invest in point guards that will only be around for one season...not even in a Josh Selby for one season.

But oh, what a great point guard Travis would make, now that he understands how to play an old man's game from the 3.

Frankly, what will happen with Travis next season at the 2, or 3, where ever he plays, is that he is going to start being used as a wing-point offensive initiator the way Self tried to use Selby before he got injured beyond reclamation that season.

But, oh, KULA, you need to just sit back and trust The Bate on this one.

Heck, I was only off by 8 points on the 2012 team winning it all this past season starting back in January. :-)

Repeat after me: jaybate knows best.


KULA 9 years ago

Ah jaybate--so in love with the sound of your own voice (or keyboard, as the case may be).

I don't expect you to have read my posts from the last few years, but you are speaking from ignorance on this one. And if you don't believe, you can check with HEM or ict, or even check the kusports archives. But this knob was one of the first and staunchest defenders of Tyshawn on this board, in his freshman year. And I also posted, when he was a freshman, that Jeff would be a better shot blocker, defender, and eventually NBAer, than Cole.

I'll give you credit for some astute observations at times, but you fall into the rut of thinking that because you're sometimes right, everything that you spew out is pure gold. And then when you get applauded by the lapdog peanut gallery that is the kusports posting community, you feel obligated to continue to spew. But some of the theories you posit are, quite simply, ridiculous. Such as, "Bill's getting Jueneman ready to play some significant minutes," "Bill told Markieff to get himself thrown out of the game," and, one of my all time favorites, "Bill told Travis not to try anything fancy on a breakaway because someone might block you from behind." Still rotflmfao at that one. Truly spoken like a man who's never actually had a breakaway in his life.

And now we can add to the list, Bill's gonna play Travis at point. I'll repeat the simple D1 basketball fact. Travis won't play point because he's not quick enough and doesn't have the ballhandling skills to do it at the Kansas point guard level. Any decent opposing true point guard, of which we will face many, would pick him clean.

But go ahead and continue to dream, jaybate. I just wonder, which of your dreams are wetter--your dreams of KU basketball, or your dreams of posting about KU basketball?

JayhawkinNE 9 years ago

I believe EJ was a 5-star coming out of high school........

Laura Hrabak 9 years ago

He was a top 30 player for sure...

Michael Bratisax 9 years ago

Yes..EJ was a former 5 Star recruit. Started showing signs of living up to that this year. Next year, I expect him to be a an elite player.

justinryman 9 years ago

I believe Coach Self and his staff are honest with these kids, don't promise them playing time, tells them they need to earn their spot on the team, and they have to be a team player.

Self's teams have never been a one man focal point, even Robinson wasn't the only focal point this past season, he used Taylor and EJ a lot too.

I think some of these top ranked kids think they deserve to play right away, to be the man, ie Austin Rivers, and much of Kentuckys roster. If you don't mesh with a team then you can hamper its success, again look at Rivers, he may have helped win a few games, but he was crucial in a lot of their loses.

I would rather have some 3 and 4 star guys that want to play together, get dirty doing it and never be reviewed by the NCAA for violations or lack of institutional control and have wins taken away or the loss of scholarships.

UCOnn, can't go to the tournament this next year cause of their grades, Syracuse is under investigation for drugs and grades. UCLA has a coach who for the most part will be fired at the end of next season unless he makes a run at the title and who has lost his locker room. I am guessing that will bring some investigations from the NCAA towards them as well.

It's good where we are headed with the recruits that we have, Coach Self will mold them into not only winners, but fine young men as well.

Just look at what he has done so far.

Sam Brockert 9 years ago

Exactly, look at how Kentucky scored ALOT of it's points this year. In transition. That is not being a team... That is being a bunch of individuals making individual plays. We stomped on their half court offense when they couldn't just jack up a three. It was the first half transition buckets that beat us.

justanotherfan 9 years ago

Apparently you didn't watch Kentucky play very much this year.

Yes, they scored a lot of points in transition, but that is what happens when you play suffocating defense and force lots of turnovers and block a ton of shots.

However, they also scored a lot in the half court, and more than I expected off of set plays.

Get over the whole "Calipari just rolls the balls out and watches them run around" line. The guy can coach some basketball. When our defense tightened and they had to have baskets down the stretch to maintain the lead, they got those baskets. We never cut it to one possession down the stretch because we couldn't get that one last stop. UK did that to people all year long. That's being able to run your offense in the most difficult of moments.

I'm as big a KU fan as anybody, but if you watched this Kentucky team and were honest with yourself, they were an extremely good basketball TEAM, not a bunch of individuals.

justanotherfan 9 years ago

It's obvious from your comment that you don't watch much basketball beyond KU. That's fine, but don't criticize me when I watch probably five other games (NBA and college) for every one KU game I see.

First off, Kentucky only lost 1 one possession game all year, the buzzer beater against Indiana (which I watched). They lost to Vanderbilt by 7 in the SEC tournament.

They played 3 other games decided by 3 points or fewer (UNC - watched that one, too, Tennessee, Florida, and this one) and won them all. Makes them 3-1 in one possession games this season. 1 possession games are essentially tossups, so Kentucky had a better than anticipated record in those games, which either points to good coaching or maturity and teamwork on the part of the players. Or they just got lucky, and then dominated the rest of their schedule.

As to saying that UK played worse in the second half than KU did in the first, that is virtually impossible, because had that happened, we likely would have won. We only outscored them by 6 in the 2nd half, despite them playing "worse" than we did in the first. They had one more turnover than we did in both halves, but made up for it by blocking twice as many shots overall.

The things you point out that "cost us" in the title game are things that were forced by UK's defense. TT's reverse was blocked on a great play by Kidd-Gilchrist. EJ traveled because Davis closed out and had the block lined up perfectly (a block Davis has made no less than six other times this year without fouling, but you probably didn't see those games). Releford was forced out of his comfort zone by the extended pressure. That's not KU making unforced errors. That's UK playing good (fundamental) defense down the stretch, which is what good teams do.

Finally, dribble hand offs are a basic basketball play. They are fundamental, right there with the pick and roll and the motion offense. To criticize a coach that utilizes all three in his base set is pretty silly from a basketball standpoint. You're basically saying Calipari runs a fundamental based offense and that makes him a weak coach.

southwindjay 9 years ago

I'm going to trust in Self and not be an armchair recruiter. Bill knows what he is doing and besides look at the talent Bill has DEVELOPED. His strength is not baby sitting the "horse power" but turning good players in to great players.

Personally It doesn't bother me one bit to see Shabazz go elsewhere because I can't stand one and done basketball. You might as well just go watch AAU all star games. The kids that endear themselves to KU nation are those that stay, work hard, listen to the coaches and end up much better than expected. We get to watch the progress and development and become invested in the process.

Go Bill, you will NEVER hear me question you.

JHawk06 9 years ago

Agreed, I have no problem at all with us not getting Shabazz. The OAD thing is annoying and he apparently has some questions surrounding his eligibility.

Mel Clare 9 years ago

Darn!!!!!!!!!!!! Self cant recruit................Just got to the National Championship game.............lost only 7 times..won the BIG XII AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geez................get a grip! 5 star kids do not necessarily make a TEAM good! And we do have some coming in...Ellis is 5 star............Greene in 2013 is 5 star and top 20 on the list right now.....Frankamp is a 4 star and in the top 65.............

We have two 6'9 guys and a 6'8 guy coming in and are already bigger with more weight than Young and Wesley........................the guards coming in are 6'3 and 6'6.....2013 they are 6'7 and 6'1 and juniors in high school so should grow some more.............Traylor is 6'7 and Mac is 6'5............Withey 7'0 Wesley 6'8 Young' 6'8 Releford 6'6..........what else do you want?

Shabazz will go to UCLA and not be a factor IMO.............that team is in turmoil!

Noels will go to Kentucky.............Cal will have them on sacntions from the NCAA within 3 years.......wait and see...............

Taylor will go to Georgia because he can play right away...........

Lindsey will have to redshirt or transfer, Wesley will probably go off scholarship for his senior year................

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

Redshirts still count against 13-scholarship limit. Merv won't go anywhere unless we add: 1. Parker (which is doubtful) 2. Rio qualifies (likely) AND Self picks up another point guard ( not so likely). I think we have our 2012-13 team. It would be the number one or two recruiting class if you cound Traylor and BMac.

texashawk10 9 years ago

If Adams does qualify for this year, Wesley goes back to walk-on status and if another player comes in after that (like Parker or a PG that Self wants), then somebody is being forced out and will likely be Lindsay. For now, KU has 13 scholarships in place with Langford footing the bill for Wesley should it become necessary.

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

HCBS was looking at Geron from GCJuCo. He picked Memphis or HCBS wisely backed off him. After he committed to Memphis, he was arrested twice (or three times?) Bad news. If Rio qualifies then we are set If not then maybe we pick up a combo or point guard from JuCo. Does anyone know about the JuCo guard from Idaho?

Sam Constance 9 years ago

I have a feeling that Noel is going to Georgetown...

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

His game is more suited for the Geo-Town 1-4 Stacked than the Dribble-Drive offense of UK. But he is a talented athlete wwho will do well in either system.

DocB 9 years ago

Does anyone remember the NCAA warning schools that Shabazz Muhammad's eligibility could be in question for academic reasons? No one seems to be mentioning that lately. I have wondered if KU didn't cool on him because of that.

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

I hope it was that HCBS decided that he didn't want OAD's at Kansas and we told him good luck in all his future endeavors.

Marcia Parsons 9 years ago

I thought it was because of accepting money or something from his old friend who was also his AAU coach--or was that another player? There is so much of that going on. Academic reasons would be pretty easy to figure out, but if the NCAA is looking into that friendship business, it could take longer. I haven't heard anything either, but then this is the NCAA we're talking about. They take their time better than any group I know.

niemoth 9 years ago

Self knows what players he is choosing. Selby was the #1 overall and didn't do much for KU. I'd much rather get those 30 - 50 recruits that know they aren't going to go to the NBA after 1 year, that Self can develop to be big time college basketball players. Roy leaving was a blessing, because we now have the best coach in college basketball, who will be here for a long time.

vd 9 years ago

You just can't get over these facts:

1) Us fans are better coaches then Self and Calipari. Cal was a good coach when he was at KU.

2) Us fans know more about basketball talent then NBA scouts.

Once you know and understand these facts you will be able to post meaningfully.

ParisHawk 9 years ago

Thanks for continuing to stand up for Selby. I wish we would let bygones be bygones for Xavier too.

Eric Williams 9 years ago

ralster, I agree with you all points except the NBA Draft.

The NBA drafts based more on potential and less on proven performance (like NFL). MLB is different b/c they have 3-4 levels of minor leagues to observe a player.

Josh getting drafted over Robinson, Collins, Langford and Miles has as much to do with his young age.

Consider Robert Swift (who?) was a lottery pick out of HS, while Sasha Kaun wasn't drafted until the very end of the 2nd round. Was that because Swift was soooo much more talented? No, it was a gamble on his potential.

niemoth 9 years ago

I didn't say anything bad about Selby. All I said is he didn't do much for KU (which is the truth), and that I'd rather Self get guys who will be here 3 years or more. Those top 10 recruits come in with thoughts of NBA on their mind and can't do a lot for KU with only 1 year. They don't get that KU tradition in their blood. They aren't the type who openly throw around their support for KU during March while they are in the NBA. Once they get in the NBA, I just don't think of those guys as Jayhawks anymore. Where as those players like Hinrich, T-Rob, Collison, etc. I see as lifelong Jayhawks. I'd rather have those types, then the Xavier Henry and Selby recruits. I don't pull for those guys in the NBA. I do for those KU players who are there for awhile. Yes, the top 10 recruits can sometimes bring a team to a title like UK this year, but that doesn't happen very often, and would just rather have a team without those guys.

Marcia Parsons 9 years ago

And yet Selby has come back for a number of KU events. He must still think of himself as a Jayhawk even if you don't. I think you're being too hard on him.

april28 9 years ago

I think people talk way too much about a guy who never started, left after a year and didn't really contribute to the program. I don't hate the kid, but you apologists need to at least face up to the obvious truths. He'll never mean a lot to most KU fans unless he puts in the time over the next several years to seal a bond.

Bonds don't form overnight (Xavier) for fans. As Stephen Covey said..."When it comes to relationships, fast is slow and slow is fast".

niemoth 9 years ago

exactly, don't know how I'm being too hard on a guy saying he didn't do much for KU. He didn't. And like I said, the rare times I pay attention to the NBA, I'm not looking around for Selby's stats to see how he did. I'd rather look for Hinrich or someone else who I rooted for a little more while at KU.

jaybate 9 years ago

Selby probably would have gotten us a ring, if he had been healthy.

Selby was a stud.

KUbsee69 9 years ago

Yeah ... a legend in his own mind.

REHawk 9 years ago

Like Kobe and LeBron, in that respect?

Tony Bandle 9 years ago

1] guess is UCLA. Think about it a second, at Kentucky he'd be one of several five stars and be the straw the mixed the drink. At UCLA, he could go Hollywood and BE the drink!!

2] Parker sees Withey and doesn't see Danny.....Kansas is out in spite of Andrea.

3] Tharpe isn't going anywhere..he just went through Bill Self's Famous Freshman Point Guard All-Season Bootcamp [just ask Russell Robinson]

4] I'm afraid Gary really has no better idea of what's going to happen than any of us....but it is a lot of fun to speculate.... so I speculate there will be nothing earth-shattering for awhile for Kansas on the recruiting scene.

5] With no other changes, with no more recruits, without Anrio, we are still going to be damn good next year and a very, very dangerous team!!!

jaybate 9 years ago


And I really like the first two of the Ohio Service Plazas on Interstate 80. They are an interesting PoMo juxtaposition of IGY modernism and Monticello redbrick with white sash and dome (maybe also called a bit of Williamsburg Colonial). I thoroughly enjoyed the space program inside.

Its really the best roadside service plaza I've seen since the idiots tore down the old Kansas Turnpike Service Plaza on I-70 between Lawrence and Topeka. Man, did I used to love that old Kansas Turnpike Service Plaza. It was the only pea green building that ever worked. Stopping there was always a treat on the long drive to grandmother's house up in north central Kansas. And it's toadstool water tower fit some how. And I loved the majestic, curvilinear entry and exit, too. The Ohio folks had to make things work on a small site. But at least they have a respectable service plaza. Damn nice.

Tony Bandle 9 years ago

Good call on Ohio, JB..actually Ohio and Columbus in particular have some of the finest contemporary architecture in America.

Do yourself a favor sometime and try to check out the City of Columbus fire stations, libraries and other public buildings. There was a period in the late 60's, 70's and even early 80's when if you didn't have a building designed in Columbus, you were "not with it".

Pretty cool stuff!!!

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

He taking SAT's this weekend. He said he is moving to Lawrence in July. Keep fingers crossed. This kid is a player!

WilburNether 9 years ago

I hope Shabazz goes Felipe Lopez on whichever school he signs with.

REHawk 9 years ago

Andrew White. Hammered into shape by an earnest father to move forth and serve in the polishing process of a program overseen by Mr. Bill Self. If Andrew bears the humble, patient temperament to listen, learn and apply himself toward optimum personal and team success, he might well go down as another eventual NBA lottery pick, to emerge from the most heralded hoops program in the world. As the Self era soars along, lottery picks are beginning to accumulate like rockets stacked on the deck of a carrier ship.

jaymar74 9 years ago

Two five star McDonald all americans will be new faces next year. That being true, how can we say Self is getting no big name recruits. If you liked this years team (32 wins and a national championship game) you will love next years team.

Jeff Coffman 9 years ago

I'm pretty sure that Bill Self is a better coach than 99% of all College coaches and I'm sure, 100% sure, that he is better than all the High School Coaches out there. Recruiting is based on getting natural talent and transforming it into a disciplined approach. Bill Self is unmatched at doing that and those are the players he goes after. Bill Self also runs a highly complex defensive and offensive system that is based on execution and it takes time for players to buy in and learn the system. Because of that, I think Bill Self knows he doesn't have to get the one-and-dones to be successful.

I could go down the list, but Thomas Robinson, Tyshawn Taylor, and Jeff Withey are exhibit A, B, and C. In addition, look at the Morris Twins, Brandon Rush, even roll players like Mario Little and Travis Releford.

Bill Self makes college basketball very exciting, because he makes it about execution and a team, but in the same light highlights the team's stars. I always like the breakdowns when they do them on SportsCenter. If you watch Kentucky it is about driving and looking for a kickout. If you watch UNC it is the quick break. If you watch Duke it is setting up the second pass to get to the open jumper. If you watch KU, it is about execution and options. You can see the bounce pass or the open jumper, or the drive. Bill Self's offense is amazing when it comes to execution. You can only do that type of execution with people that know and understand the system.

Jory Collins 9 years ago

I agree with Oklajayhawk. We need PG help more than another big. I've been saying this for awhile but Zach Peters is going to be a STUD. The guy is only a 3 star because he quit playing AAU two years ago. The guy could be the next Nick Collison!

We need depth at PG, Johnson and Tharpe are our only ball-handlers.

Andy Tweedy 9 years ago

How about the next Richard Scott!!!

Ben Simonett 9 years ago

Move Weasly back to Walk On status and end the Merv Lindsey experiment... scholarship problem solved.

Now if only we didnt have to spend one of those open scholarships on Landen Lucas.......

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

Did Whitey decide to turn pro? Or stay? I hope Tyrone goes in the first round. He deserves it. And I hope Marv doesn't have to transfer. He could be player. But the biggest questions are McClemore and Tyler .. will they play like freshmen or like guys with more experience?

Nice post, Banny, you're the man.

Ben Simonett 9 years ago


wrote that in the middle of a meeting.

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

No problem .. Weasly is a heck of a player, though.

RJ King 9 years ago

I think you meant "a hack of a player."

Miguel Colón 9 years ago

Who do we get as a guard that is left out there?

Waylon Cook 9 years ago

My god this board has no clue at times do they? Let Bill Self do what he does and enjoy the ride.

HawkKlaw 9 years ago

Oh, how I hate recruiting period. "Self needs to get this, get that, get the other...and if he doesn't, we're dooooooooomed!"

You do not know what Self needs to do.

Bill Self, a National Champion, an 8-time-consecutive Big 12 Champion, winner of the most games in a 6 year span in NCAA history, winner of more games since he came to KU than any other coach in the NCAA, knows what he needs to do.

When you run a clean program, you don't have the cash that Kentucky has.

BMac will be a star at KU. Perry Ellis will be a star at KU. Andrew White will be a star at KU. Connor Frankamp will certainly shine at KU (not next season, but afterwards). Elijah Johnson is already a star at KU. So is Travis Releford. And Jeff Withey. Zach Peters has a huge upside. So does Naadir Tharpe.

Bill Self got all these guys to come to Kansas.

He wins. A lot.

He knows what he's doing.

You do not.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk.

HawkKlaw 9 years ago

You guess wrong.

Granted, I haven't seen much of him (none of us really have), but from what I can tell he has a nice touch on his turn-around hook shot in the paint, gets good positioning (for rebounds on defense and in the paint on offense), makes great passes, and can even get some blocks.

The one negative I can see in his game is that he's easily frustrated and talks a lot of s***. And there's no way in hell he's 6'10" (looks a lot shorter than that in all the highlight reels I've been able to dig up).

By no means does he suck though. Weird how you can come to that conclusion before the guy even steps foot in Lawrence. I'll reserve my judgment until he actually plays in a KU uniform.

And if you meant that he sucks because I didn't mention him, note this: I didn't mention Traylor either, but I think either (or both) Traylor or/and Lucas can make an impact at KU someday. I just think Withey, Ellis, Young and Peters are likely to be ahead of them in the pecking order next season. I could be wrong though, as I don't see the guys practice everyday.

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

You tend to miss the point of my post .. you basically were saying everyone was either going to be a "star" or had "huge upside" .. but you left out Lucas. Just seeing if he was going to be a "star" or had "huge upside" like everyone else.

HawkKlaw 9 years ago

I'll say it again for you:

"And if you meant that he sucks because I didn't mention him, note this: I didn't mention Traylor either, but I think either (or both) Traylor or/and Lucas can make an impact at KU someday. I just think Withey, Ellis, Young and Peters are likely to be ahead of them in the pecking order next season. I could be wrong though, as I don't see the guys practice everyday."

So, you see, I got the point of your post just fine. You thought, because I didn't mention him, that I think he must suck. But no, like Traylor, just because I didn't mention him doesn't mean I think he sucks. I just think a few other guys are ahead of him.

HawkKlaw 9 years ago

Also, you don't have to be a star at KU to be a big time contributor. Brady Morningstar was a huge contributor. So was Tyrel. Neither of them were stars. Lucas and/or Traylor could be the same way.

Some stars aren't even big time contributors. Case and point, Josh Selby.

I was merely illustrating the point that Bill Self brings a lot of talent to KU with his recruiting every year. The sky is not falling. Rankings are pretty nifty, but they aren't the only thing. Like the AP and Coach's Top 25, some teams deserve to be ranked where they are, and some teams don't. KU started the year at #12 in the polls (if memory serves me correct), but by the end of the year we were #6. Schools move up, schools move down. Recruits move up, recruits move down. One thing doesn't change...Bill Self's ability to win games with the talented recruits he brings to Kansas.

flyingfinn 9 years ago

Accumulating 5 stars to make up a team is overated. Yes Kentucky did win this year but certainly did not dominate us with many 5 star recruits and North Carolina got beat with 6 Mc Donalds All-Americans by hmmmmmmmmmmm KU. I believe we will have a nice blend of experience and 5 stars next year to have a very strong team led by the best Coach in the country. EJ will be very strong and Tharpe will improve dramatically and Withey will be the best center in the country.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years ago

Accumulating 5 stars . . . . overrated . . . . UNC.

Andy Tweedy 9 years ago

The only thing I hate about the potential recruiting situation we have is that everybody is ready to take away Lindsey's scholarship. I don't know Merv Lindsey, but I do know he's one of us and I think we should treat him with a little more respect than just taking away his scholarship because we think the next dude might be better. Merv Lindsey may very well turn out to be a pretty good player, only time will tell.

Laura Hrabak 9 years ago

Merv's scholarship isn't gone Wesley's is becaue his was just a gift since we had extras.

texashawk10 9 years ago

Men's college basketball teams are allowed to have 13 scholarship players so if everything stays as is and Anrio Adams passes the ACT and comes to KU next season, the scholarship situation would be this.

  1. Elijah Johnson
  2. Jeff Withey
  3. Travis Releford
  4. Perry Ellis
  5. Ben McLemore
  6. Naadir Tharpe
  7. Kevin Young
  8. Andrew White
  9. Zach Peters
  10. Landon Lucas
  11. Jamari Traylor
  12. Anrio Adams
  13. Merv Lindsay

Should KU sign a 6th player for the class of 2012, we may very well see the ugly side of college basketball play out where someone is advised that it is in their best interest to transfer out of KU. Merv Lindsay appeared to have a solid skill set when he got a chance to play, but the problem may be his ceiling just isn't very high compared to others on the KU roster and transferring to a school in the Mountain West or WCC may very well allow him showcase his skill set better and give him some playing time. If he is still around next season, look for him to redshirt and be used in a similar role to Kevin Young this past year or Mario Little prior to that in the future because Lindsay isn't quite big enough to be an impact 4 player and not quick enough to guard perimeter players as a 3 at a place like KU. It's an unfortunate situation, but stuff like this tends to happen from time to time at major programs.

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

I like that list of 13. Great team!

Bear86 9 years ago

With Manning departing are Big's recruiting will hurt. He was a major reason Big Men came to KU. In all the player interviews there was 1 man given all the credit for their development. That was DM. Self will continue to get recruits. The program will be fine but it will be hard to replace DM.

nuleafjhawk 9 years ago

You're right Bear86, it WILL be hard to replace Danny.

But Coach Self can and will do it. As much as we all love Danny, and as much as he has done for KU, I will be more than a little surprised if we skip a beat. Self knows talent - not only on the court talent, but on the bench talent as well.

We will be fine. In fact, we will be great.

Vernon Riggs 9 years ago

Our Bigs are showcased with HCBS's High-Low Offense, yes having DM was a huge plus. But the draw was still Kansas, HCBS and the High-Low Offense. Danny was the sprinkles.

KUbsee69 9 years ago

Don't agree. While I think D-Man was a valuable asset, he was far from essential from a recruiting point of view.

Recruits mostly care about who the head coach is. Also, they are aware, particularly in this case, that Coach Self is the one that taught Danny to be a coach. Self and staff will recruit just fine without Danny.

You are correct in that Danny was instrumental in development our big men. However, most of the recruits come in believing that they already are great, so who needs coaching anyway. They soon learn otherwise, with few exceptions ... like A. Davis. He did pretty well without a "Danny".

William Weissbeck 9 years ago

If Shabazz Muhammad didn't commit after sitting at the Missouri game, then he's probably not a guy that KU needs. If that game and atmosphere didn't convince the kid, then he's looking for something else for his "college" experience.

Jim Jackson 9 years ago

Agree with that that, cannot believe a kid can pass up on an expereince like that for the Redneck's @ UK. We shall see what happens

Andy Rieger 9 years ago

It's not the rednecks at UK that he likes about that school, it is the constant flow of nike shoeboxes that he gets. Did I mention that he gets nothing but manufacturer defected shoeboxes from Coach Cal? Yeah, it's weird. Instead of shoes, they all have $200,000 in them. What is even more weird is that Anthony Davis had the same problem!

Joel Hood 9 years ago

Late Night and games like we had against Missery do not have the impact some might expect. Kids that see themself as a OAD look at KU and see a string of good players that were developed into really good to great players over the course of 3 to 4 years. We only have two OADs, but we also only have a few 2-&-dones. Our early exits have mostly come after 3 years. The Caliparis of the world use that against us when they recruit.

Big Macs want to get to the League ASAP. KU is not seen as the ASAP route. To make it more challenging, we don't get the ESPN east coast love that UNC, Duke, Syracuse, UCONN, etc. gets. KU is never portrayed as the sexy destination.

Indiana suffers the same problem, but what separates us from IU in the last 25 years is Bill Self (and UNCle Roy.) We have thrived because of amazing coaches. 20 years from now, we will look back at this period in amazement.

Folks, these are the good old days...

Ron Prichard 9 years ago

I read up on Parker a little bit. He sounds like a pretty good kid that is struggling with several issues such as staying close to home; where his family (mom) wants him to go (dook); where he thinks he can develop as a big man (was KU, not sure now); where he would have immediate playing time (OSU, others); etc. Some of the comments above imply that because he hasn't decided yet there must be an issue or something suspect. Just because kids struggle with these decisions doesn't mean there is something underhanded going on.

I can go into a store and give each of my kids $10 to get something. My son will be done in three minutes while my daughter is still trying to decide 45 minutes later and she is no closer to a decision then when she started. Imagine trying to decide where to spend the next year or two or four of your life and wanting to make sure it puts you in the best possible position to play in the NBA, which is all these kids really want anyway. On top of that, a girlfriend says "go here!" while your mom says, "go there!" and your coach says, "what about here?" It sucks for us fans, but we just have to let the process play out. I, for one, would love to sign Parker.

justinryman 9 years ago

With OAD's on Self's KU squads, those teams have lost earlier than expected in the NCAA tournament.

With X. Henry, KU lost to NIU.

With J. Selby, they lost to VCU.

I am not upset about the VCU loss, they were hot and on a run, and it wasn't in the first 2 rnds KU lost to them. Elite 8. They also beat a very strong FSU team on their run as well.

Self has turned KU into a team basketball program, and it works when everyone, and I mean everyone on the team buys into it.

This year they did that. From TT and TRob, all the way to B. Mclemore and J. Traylor. And look where they went with that mind set, National Championship game.

In '08 he hada team full of talented players and he got them to believe into and buy into his system and they won it all.

With only one big "name" on this years squad, in Mr. Robinson, the media didn't think this team could win the Big12, beat Missouri, get passed Purdue, NCST, UNC or OSU either and it did. It wasn't because of "just" Robinson, but the team that surrounded him, and the leadership of him and of Taylor.

Getting a guy to sign just because of his ranking, is just why the St. Louis Rams traded down in the draft this year. They don't need another QB, they need parts to build around the one they have. Just like Coach Self isn't going to go after a guy that doesn't fit into his system or fit in with the team chemistry.

There was a story on here last fall or summer about how Chris Humphries came on a visit to KU and how after a scrimmage some of the players went up to coach and said he wouldn't fit into the team at all. So at that point they stopped pursing him.

I'll take a team like this past years(2011-12) over the two previous years teams.

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

Without Brady Morningstar playing, we win the national title. With Brady, we lose to Michigan St., UNI, and VCU. Without Brady, we get to the title game.

It's all in how you look at it.

Without Brady, who do we have to bash?

It should be any day that he's on an NBA roster.

Just in fun .. not looking to start a Brady-riot.

P.S. -- Justin .. you should be upset about the VCU game. That was a national title, right there on a silver platter. Beat Butler, then give UConn a reality check. Now I won't sleep tonight. Thanks for bringing it up.

justinryman 9 years ago

HEM I was upset at the time, but as much as the media talking heads keep trying to pound it into the brains of suckers as an early exit, sure anything less then the title game is an early exit I get that, and Elite 8 loss really isn't an early exit.

Maybe it was Reed that cost KU those games and not Morningstar? Maybe it was Marcus Morris, or was it Markief? I get them confused.

One could argue that senior leadership was a better role for Conner than it was for Brady as well.

You really can't blame one guy for a loss.

Look at the @Missouri game, a lot of people wanted to blame Johnson for not shooting earlier, but there was a ton of miscues in that game. Just as in the Duke game in Maui, people wanted to strangle Taylor, but he wasn't the only one having a bad game, a lot of his passes weren't caught and he got charged with the to. But I regress.

You win as a team, you lose as a team.

FoCoCoHawk 9 years ago

Interesting name to bring up. I was just thinking that I have not once seen in this thread the word "glue". Whatever scholarship openings we have in the foreseeable future should be solely devoted to finding a five star epoxy man.

Go Crimson and Glue!

John Randall 9 years ago

Just looking at the "thin" rotation we were forced to go with this year, how prescient was HCBS in handing Conner Teahan a scholarship and a red shirt the same week? No way does this team have as successful a season without him, even when his shot went south half way through the season.

FarSideHawk 9 years ago

Agreed 100% We should be upset about VCU. That was our championship for the taking. It doesn't happen often.

2011 2003 1997

These three years will always hurt the most. Those were our titles to have!

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

Now I really won't sleep .. you forgot 2002. Basically beat Maryland, and Indiana was a walk over. Amazing to think what could have been.

Take those four, and 2012. We should have at least snagged two of those.

And I won't revisit the UNI season.

FarSideHawk 9 years ago

Looking back at 2002, it hurts less, because Maryland was the better team. They had been there the year before and were there on a mission.

We were like Maryland in 2003, but couldn't capitalize.

In 1997, we were what Kentucky was in 1996 - Above and beyond better than anybody else. But once again did not capitalize.

2011 - we were the best team going in the tournament and were the best team by far left in the tournament at that stage. Again didn't capitalize.

All the other chances were 'what ifs', but those three there is no excuse for.

Kansas having only three national titles behind all the other blue-bloods is an anomaly because we didn't capitalize when we should have.

REHawk 9 years ago

Good point, justin, about BenMac and Jamari buying into this season's process. Those two guys bit the Big 12 bullet, stayed the course, and obviously contributed significantly to the development of the 2011-12 Jayhawks. I hope to see them develop quickly into essential pieces of future winning puzzles.

justinryman 9 years ago

The best thing about ineligible freshman, is that they will be freshman still and have 4 years to play and had a year to learn the system and compete against the best big man in the country.

They know what it takes to play, under coach Self, they know what it will take to get on the floor and they will develop into some great leaders along the way in their KU careers.

Tony Bandle 9 years ago

BIG NEWS!! Shabazz just committted to Kansas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh's April 11 not April 1..never mind. :(

John Randall 9 years ago

OK, oak, enough of that crap! You scared the $#!T out of me!

Alohahawk 9 years ago

I posted this once, and it got lost somehow. Fran Frascilla (sp) twitted that Muhammad has chosen UCLA. Which means Parker might decide on UCLA. UCLA would then have a #2 or possibly even #1 ranked recruiting year.

Oh, and Oakville, I know it's a leap year, but you're 11 days behind on the April Fool's joke. :>)

Justin Daniel 9 years ago

Anrio Adams is a four star recruit according to rivals latest rankings. I hope things pan out with him, he could be similar to TT and EJ.

FarSideHawk 9 years ago

Nerlens Noel to Kentucky!

Beautiful, just effin beautiful!

Andy Godwin 9 years ago

Yes, sour grapes, but I sure wish KU had won the national championship. So tired of hearing how Calipari walks on water.

Ron Franklin 9 years ago

I am just so flippin tired of John Calipari and the entire sickening love affair.

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

Good vs. Evil.

Always makes things interesting.

Embrace it. The best way to answer it, is to beat them.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years ago

I'm not tired of Calipari because his one and done championship has happened once.

What I got sick of was UCLA's 11 championships in 13 years. Nerlens or no Nerlens, that 13-year run will never happen again.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years ago

It was 10 championships in 12 years.

Andy Tweedy 9 years ago

Anybody know why I never saw this Olathe kid, Cauley, linked to KU? I don't know a thing about him, but he's tall and highly rated and never seemed to be a target of KU. Seems strange to me...

prusso25 9 years ago

I grew up in Olathe right down the street from the school the Cauley kid is from. I know some people who go to school with the guy and apparently he has a terrible attitude, incredibly arrogant, and is not a team player.

AKA, he is Cal ball, not Self ball.

texashawk10 9 years ago

I believe Cauley comes from a KState family so he eliminated KU very early on and never wanted anything to do with KU. I believe his final decision was between Kentucky and KSU.

AZHawk72 9 years ago

I'm so happy that Shabazz went to UCLA instead of Kentucky that I could scream--well, I did. Noel--great blocker, bad scorer. UCLA had a great class--just enough to serve as pallbearers for Howland's career. However, after laboring through the posts above, I still don't think that anyone quite gets how well Coach Self did this year.

First, I've mentioned that Adams and Lucas are better than you think. Fortunately, Rivals somewhat agreed and moved Adams from nowhere to 98, but I think he's better. Lucas was guarded by two to three all year, performed well, was so frustrated that his teammates could never make an open jump shot that he would walk to Lawrence to play for the "Hawks. Reread Adams feelings about being a Jayhawk as he's my favorite recruit.

What won me over was one of the state tournament games. Adams, advertised as a "shooting guard" controlled the whole game. At halftime he had taken five shots, hitting four along with five assists. He hit one jump shot, along with two dunks and a lay-up. He rebounds, fills lanes in transition, is a 6-3 guard with serious hops and wingspan, and loves to steal and press. He's trying to turn his life around and sees us and, especially, Coach Self as the conduit to a successful future. He's a slasher, a distributor, has a mediocre three point arc, and likes to play D. He is T.T.s "little brother."

So, with apologies to Perry, Andrew, Zack, and Landon, this is a recruit we want with limitless potential. He is also the point guard that Coach Self wants to add. Lets hope he passes his ACT because I feel we need him as much as he needs us.

P.S. His team did not win the state championship. He drew three fouls in the first half, pouted on the bench, kicked a basketball, and longed for Lawrence.

Brianna Zaleski 9 years ago

Its so funny how this year turned out, and how it made A LOT of people correct prognosticators about Coach Self's recruiting/ coaching. I had a total "I told you so moment" followed by feelings of understanding from the other side. Let me explain:

Let me prefce this comment by realizing that about 99.9% of us on here love coach Self and would not trade him for any coach in the country. Any coach. Some of us are blindly loyal, to a fault, while others are overly critical. But we still love our coach. There is great divide on this board in terms of Self's recruiting. Half of us completely trust his style and methods. Even though he might mis- handle the elite recruits, we have blind faith in his ability to develop the talent he lures to Lawrence. The other half thinks that Self has mismanaged his elite talent. whether it be the ones we got here (X and Selby) or the slew of 5 star guys we have missed out on lately. This half believes that lack of talent will come back to haunt us when we need it most. During the games when the games are being played. But we were all right. Self took a team that was, overall, under- talented and moved freaking mountains with them. (By under-talented I simply mean that outside of our starting 5, the drop off was pretty steep.) So he coached his a$$ off and maximized every ounce of potential out of this team that was pretty devoid of elite talent. Yet when we ran into a Kentucky team that was clearly so much more talented than us, we came up short. We needed more studs out there.
But its all good! This season made prophets and believers out of us all. If you had any opinion about this topic this year, you were right. And you were wrong. This point might be completely obvious and did not warrant me bringing it up, but I just found it to be such an ironic ending to this year for the posters. And it reinforces the notion that we should continue to take stands and state our beliefs without fear of being right or wrong. Because we just might be right..... Or wrong:)

jaybate 9 years ago

"Some Reasons Why the Filters Are Set to Prevent All Caps for Board Rats, but Not for the Pros"

~Pros are feeling a little bit insecure and want to reserve the right to write in all caps in order to make sure everyone can tell the difference.

~Imposing lower case is part of the private oligarchy owned media's assigned mission in the fascist take over of America to try to make sure the citizenry know their lower place.

~NSA techs say upper case screws with their archiving filters and what they say goes.

~Upper case is reserved by DHS for highest classifiied communications, like, "Honey, I'm going to be home late tonight because we're on DEFCON1.

~Key stroke tracking software at the FBI crashes on all caps.

~Neo-eugenicists and Unitary Presidency ideologues believe lower classes only entitled to lower cases and are getting their ways these days.

~Mainstream media reserving upper case for planned surprises like trumpeting the Republican Party's decision to nominate Mr. X at the convention, after all the other fake Republican candidates take up oxygen in the primaries and cancel each other.

~There is a bug in the software and no one, least of all the firm that provides the software to, has a flipping clue why All Caps are being denied to board rats.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

Alohahawk 9 years ago

Mahalo, Jaybate. My cap's, oops, I mean hat's off to you.

jaybate 9 years ago

Thx and catch a marlin for me!!!

Post a picture of yourself standing beside your trophy. You can wear nose glasses to conceal your identity.


prusso25 9 years ago

I don't care of Cal wins every championship for the next decade. I would still rather have the class act that is Self for a coach.

Greg Lux 9 years ago

As much as I am happy for Coach Manning to get the Tulsa job. His absence will be deeply felt on our recruiting. Nine years as a coach or part of the team staff has finally started paying dividends with the recruiting class the last couple of years. Now just when he has established his superior credentials we loose him to another program Don't misunderstand me I am thrilled for DM I am just sad for our big man program with the loss of the premier post coach in all of college basketball. Only time will tell how it effects our recruiting.

Rock Chalk

David Howell 9 years ago

It's hard for KU for some reason to get top notch recruits. The problem with KU is RARELY is our cupboard bare. USUALLY KU just reloads with developing players off the bench from the previous year and restocks the bench. Last year was the exception in that there was very little quality depth off of the bench (who knows if McLemore and Traylor would have helped us, but next year we'll know more).

As such too many top notch recruits view themselves as one and dones or at worst two years and gone to the NBA. Thus they want immediate playing time to warrant ESPN's notice, so on and so forth. Thus winning at times isn't usually as important as going to where you think the promised playing time as a starter can be found.

Getting a college education is becoming an after-thought. Securing your year or two out of college and getting NBA eligible is all that matters. However, they lose sight of the fact that there are only 60 draft picks each year and from 1/3 to 1/2 of the picks are foreign players. Plus the fact that many spin their wheels in the D-League and give up too quick at the opportunity of developing their real talent at the college level.

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