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Tuesday, September 20, 2011

Exit strategy: Oklahoma, Texas regents give presidents authority to leave Big 12

University of Texas president Bill Powers, second from right, and chancellor Francisco Cigarroa, second from left, take part in a teleconference with the University System Board of Regents to discuss conference realignment, in Austin, Texas, on Monday, Sept. 19, 2011. The board voted unanimously to give Powers the authority to move Texas from the Big 12 to another conference.

University of Texas president Bill Powers, second from right, and chancellor Francisco Cigarroa, second from left, take part in a teleconference with the University System Board of Regents to discuss conference realignment, in Austin, Texas, on Monday, Sept. 19, 2011. The board voted unanimously to give Powers the authority to move Texas from the Big 12 to another conference.

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Oklahoma cleared the way Monday for its possible departure from the Big 12, with university president David Boren demanding the league move toward an equal revenue-sharing model and create stability or else lose the Sooners to the Pac-12.

Rival Texas also moved closer to the door, raising the prospect that one of the nation’s biggest conferences could lose its two richest, most powerful programs.

After being granted the power to choose a new conference home for the Sooners, Boren said he is focused on only two options: a fractured Big 12 that isn’t currently suitable, or the expanding Pac-12, which already claimed Oklahoma’s conference rival, Colorado, last summer.

“The status quo is certainly not stable,” Boren said. “That’s one of the things we’re weighing: Can it be made stable?”

Texas counterpart Bill Powers, granted similar decision-making power by his regents less than an hour later, said he would consider options “including continued participation in the Big 12,” but made no mention of the Pac-12, the ACC or any other potential destinations.

The Big 12 has moved to the brink of extinction just one summer after the remaining 10 members pledged to stick together, then hammered out a $1.2 billion television contract. They decided not to create a conference network similar to the ones in place by the Big Ten and Pac-12, not to split revenue equally and not to create any barriers to Texas’ creation of the Longhorn Network through a 20-year, $300 million agreement with ESPN that proved to be divisive.

“I would simply say it is not a strong vote of confidence in the conference office that this has happened in such a short period of time,” Boren said.

Texas A&M; has already said it plans to leave the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference by July if legal issues can be addressed. If Oklahoma leaves, so will Oklahoma State.

“Whatever we do, we’re going to do it together, and I think that’s very good news for the state of Oklahoma,” Boren said, adding that he speaks daily with Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis.

Oklahoma State’s regents have called a special meeting on the topic Wednesday.

“Oklahoma State has attractive options and we are working with our colleagues at the University of Oklahoma to make sure the best interests of both institutions and our state are achieved,” Hargis added.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said in a statement that the conference is “assuring our members that maintaining the Big 12 is in the best interest for their institutions.”

“It is my opinion that the case for the Big 12 Conference continues to be as strong today for all of our current members as it was last year, especially considering the welfare of those to whom we owe the greatest responsibility — the student-athletes,” Beebe said.

Boren has previously said he would consider the league a better option if it expanded back to 12 teams, and he said Monday that better revenue sharing must also be in place for the Sooners to stick around.

“Our goal is to be an equal partner in any network, and we think it ought to be the goal of every other member of any conference that we’re a part of to be an equal member of that conference,” Boren said.

“We all ought to value each other — every single member of that conference — and none of us should seek to play a stronger leadership role than anyone else.”

Texas’ regents met privately by telephone before approving a motion that still would require any move executed by Powers to be submitted to the regents for final approval. After the vote, Powers said only that the process is “ongoing” and left without further comment.

Boren said the schools are “always stronger when Texas and Oklahoma move together” but it’s possible the two could part ways.

“We have different perspectives,” Boren said. “I would put it this way: We’re listening with respect to each other at this point in time, but it’s too early to tell whether we’ll make a common decision or not.”

Texas officials have said they want the Big 12 to hold together but would keep “all options” open for the university, including reported discussions with the Pac-12 and ACC. But Texas has little appetite for a Big 12 without rival Oklahoma or Texas A&M.;

“Last time everybody talked about where everybody was going, we ended up staying in the same place,” Longhorns coach Mack Brown said. “So my thoughts have always been the same: I think the University of Texas wants to stay in the Big 12.”

Texas Tech president Guy Bailey said it’s a sensitive time and “any comments regarding Tech’s plans are premature at this time.” Tech’s regents are not scheduled to meet until next month.

Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott has said his league is not necessarily looking to expand, and some university leaders have expressed concerns about expanding again after adding Utah and Colorado this year.

There is no guarantee the Pac-12 presidents will welcome new members, especially if Texas is not one of them.

But ultimately, the Big 12’s future likely comes down to whether the schools raking in the most money want to share enough of it with those earning the least, or if they’d rather leave their current rivals behind and chase a bigger paycheck.

Any move by Texas could be complicated by the Longhorn Network as school officials explore whether other leagues would let them keep their recently launched venture or force them to make changes to fit established media rights guidelines. For example, Pac-12 bylaws created six regional networks that are shared by conference schools.

School and conference officials from the Big East and Big 12 have been discussing ways to merge what’s left of the two leagues if Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12, a person involved in the discussions told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk publicly about the talks.

The Big East is left with only six football members after Pittsburgh and Syracuse announced plans to join the ACC this weekend, and the Big 12 could be in a similar situation if Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech all join Texas A&M; in departing.

Texas lawmakers will be keeping their eyes on any move but are unlikely to interfere, said state Rep. Dan Branch, the Republican chairman of House Higher Education Committee.

Branch said he has told Texas regents and administrators he would like the state’s major universities to be rooted in the conference in the middle of the country, not one that is “Los Angeles or Atlantic-centric.”

“I hope they will also take into consideration the greater good for Texans,” Branch said. “(But) I understand in this new world, we’ve got to allow those regents and presidents to make those decisions.”

The NCAA has no authority over conference affiliations, though NCAA President Mark Emmert said Monday that he has been contacting university presidents and conference commissioners. He said he is urging them to consider the well-being of the student-athletes.

Emmert also said talk of having four or five superconferences is nothing more than conjecture.

Comments

Terran Woolley 9 years, 7 months ago

And the official death bell tolls on the Big XII. Congrats Texas. You have now killed two conferences in your schools "illustrious" history. Maybe your governor can kill our country as well. Do us all a favor and please secede now.

lothario64118 9 years, 7 months ago

Whoa there partner! I agree with you on the school of Texas, but I have to correct you on the latter part of your post. The current president of this country is already doing a fine job of killing the country all by himself.

That is all. Carry on.

James Hubin 9 years, 7 months ago

You're right Bush III isn't doing us any favors.

Martin Shupert 9 years, 7 months ago

You miss the reference. Perry, as governor, suggested Texas secede. It was in all the papers.

danmoore 9 years, 7 months ago

I believe it was another Texas governor impersonating a president who already killed this country.

Joe Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

That dog doesn't hunt my friend. Your current boy in the WH has done a great job running this country in the ground. Let's say he certainly hasn't helped at all.

At least the other Texas gov "impersonated" a president, the current prez doesn't even know how to impersonate a president.

Anywho- Off with the politics and on with conference issues. It appears UT and TAM may be the lone loses for the B12. I think Boren is actually making some sense.

James Hubin 9 years, 7 months ago

True dat, he has way too much pigment to impersonate a "real pres".

James Hubin 9 years, 7 months ago

By the way he's your current "boy" to truehawk.

Joe Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

Nope...didn't vote for him, true dat. The man doesn't rep me in any way shape form or fashion, sorry.

I intend to fire him in the next election too.

James Hubin 9 years, 7 months ago

Sorry to rain on your parade, but if you're a US citizen then Obama is your President, just like Bush was my president. I realize how easy it is for repubs to steal elections, but it's not just up to you to fire him. No matter what lies you believe on fox news, you do understand that Obama has the lowest effective tax rate of any pres.

Sam Constance 9 years, 7 months ago

+1

I just love how Obama's critics play the "he's not my president" card, when more often than not, they supported a president who was appointed by the Supreme Court.

Ironic, really.

andersonalex 9 years, 7 months ago

The United States would be just about dead if it lost a state as vital to the overall economy as CA, Texas, New York, etc. High tech companies are pretty key to our position in the world, and those states account for a majority of them.

So no. I don't want to lose Austin, Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, and San Antonio. I don't feel like taking steps towards turning us into a third world nation.

misfire 9 years, 7 months ago

Anderson: Know what the leading state in high tech is? North Dakota!

andersonalex 9 years, 7 months ago

No, they don't quite lead in high tech. :-) But from a Google search, they do evidently lead in wheat production and underage drinking.

David Harrison 9 years, 7 months ago

My apology if this has already been discussed. I'm not saying you’re wrong at all about the collapse of the Big XII but, the following thought just occurred to me. Perhaps Oklahoma wants to be the savior of the Big XII and is trying to strong arm Texas into sharing the LHN money. Could OU be trying to bluff UT into sharing that $$ while still having a PAC-12 backup plan? Perhaps that and the pending litigation would entice TAMU/SEC to stay put and we could add BYU and TCU/ND/Boise State? The PAC-12 schools share the TV money equally which is what OU is asking UT to do anyway. Plus, Texas is possibly facing becoming an independent and if we go to the Mega conferences they could struggle to remain relevant like Notre Dame. "Boren has previously said he would consider the league a better option if it expanded back to 12 teams, and he said Monday that better revenue sharing must also be in place for the Sooners to stick around. Our goal is to be an equal partner in any network, and we think it ought to be the goal of every other member of any conference that we’re a part of to be an equal member of that conference,” Boren said." Thoughts?

jhox 9 years, 7 months ago

For the first time in quite some time, I find Boren's comments somewhat encouraging. It really sounds as though OU's preference to to keep the Big 12 together, if only Texas will back down and share revenues more fairly. Texas also seems to prefer the Big 12 option, but do they prefer it if it means sharing more of their riches?

This is clearly high stakes poker at its best. Unless some other conference is willing to let them keep the LHN basically intact, Texas would be better served to share revenues with other Big 12 schools and stay put. Both schools seem to be bluffing. Now we'll just have to wait and see if either of them blink. If not, the Big 12 is likely done. Let's all hope Texas blinks.

Sam Constance 9 years, 7 months ago

I don't buy it. Personally, I think Boren's comments/demands about what the Big 12 needs to do are nothing more than a smoke screen so that he can pretend like OU did everything reasonable to hold the Big 12 together.

Reports have said that Texas was willing to do equal revenue sharing, and if OU and UT join the Pac-12, they are going to HAVE to concede equal revenue sharing.

So the idea that this is being held up because OU can't get the equal revenue sharing they are supposedly demanding is a freaking joke. Are we supposed to believe that it's KU, KSU, Baylor, MU... demanding a bigger chunk of the pie? RIGHT.

And furthermore, isn't OU one of the schools currently getting a larger than proportional piece already?

This Boren guy is a attention whore and has nothing in mind but his own interest in getting to hobnob and schmooze with the university presidents in the Pac 12 and the potential political advantages he theoretically stands to gain.

LSHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I read it totally different, I think they will stay together IF Texas will share equally with all the other schools which I believe they really have no other choice. If Texas insists on keeping all the LHN money to themselves NO other conferences will want them. I also think they all see the stupidity of being in a conference that is 2 time zones away.

Sam Constance 9 years, 7 months ago

Not sure how Texas sharing their LHN revenue is fair.

Equal revenue sharing for Tier 1 and Tier 2 is reasonable, as those contracts are based upon what the league offers as an aggregated whole. But any revenue generated by the LHN will be largely due to Texas.

This is one issue on which I agree with them--why should they have to share revenue from a network that is exclusively Longhorn content?

Bville Hawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Could the Big12 survive if Texas left and OU-OSU remained? I've never seen that possibility addressed in any commentary.

oldrocker 9 years, 7 months ago

Maybe Texas should become an independent - then they can keep all the money from the LHN and the Big 12 can stay intact.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 7 months ago

Or, they could become a farm team for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones could take care of them.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 7 months ago

"But ultimately, the Big 12’s future likely comes down to whether the schools raking in the most money want to share enough of it with those earning the least, or if they’d rather leave their current rivals behind and chase a bigger paycheck"

Rivalries, loyalties, traditions and logic be damned. The revenue from sports and the ancilary streams has become the crack cocaine of these institutions of higher learning. We are witnessing the desperation of universities to maximize their income and better balance their operating and capital improvements budgets by any means necessary. Are the costs of education parallel to the costs of keeping a corporation afloat? Aren't all, or most, of these schools considering new conference affiliations supported by their states? So, the logical question goes to the support from these states and their cuts to that funding making such alignment and revenue sharing critically important to the future of the universities. It benefits the states to allow/grant the freedom to explore new alignments so they don't shoulder the guilt and blame for the funding cuts and the results that filter down to education and athletics.

If in some bizzare world, volleyball became the new football, tv contracts were outrageously lucrative, etc., schools would be doing just what they are doing now. They would be selling themselves out through the student-athletes who play volleyball. Don't forget, if there were no students playing these sports on the fields, courts, etc. there would be no need for tv networks to be established or major contracts to the existing networks. No students - no income. The loyalty of students to their schools is a relatively insignificant consideration in all of this. If they conducted themselves in the manner of the conference and university officials, and the NCAA didn't have such strict rules, we would see mass transferring between schools and the "brand" would be pretty shaky when it comes to continuity which yields the marketability of these athletic programs.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 7 months ago

OU Pres. David Boren from above: Boren has previously said he would consider the league a better option if it expanded back to 12 teams, and he said Monday that better revenue sharing must also be in place for the Sooners to stick around.

“Our goal is to be an equal partner in any network, and we think it ought to be the goal of every other member of any conference that we’re a part of to be an equal member of that conference,” Boren said.

“We all ought to value each other — every single member of that conference — and none of us should seek to play a stronger leadership role than anyone else.”

That sounds pretty clear to me that OU stays if the league adopts equal revenue sharing.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 7 months ago

Then, if Boren was sincere, the B12 should be holding talks/interviews with schools from other conferences to attempt to attract others into our fold. If the B12 appears to be complacent and lackadasical in their growth efforts, then naturally that gives the perception that we're "giving up". We should be proud of our history and come from a position of strength and proactivity rather than adopting the philosophy of going whereever somebody wants us!

Christopher S. Hotchkiss 9 years, 7 months ago

And once again, nothing but crickets from the University of Kansas. Way to go, team!

Red Demon 9 years, 7 months ago

While I too question how proactive KU has been in all of this mess, what would there be to address to the public? They need to be securing some kind of back up plan if the Big 12 dissolves. This would likely be done behind the scenes.

lothario64118 9 years, 7 months ago

KU better be involved in some backdoor shenanigans.

Joe Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

OU and UT are clearly in the driver's seat. If you don't have a hand to deal, it's hard to play the game. I really hate to admit it but OU/UT are going to determine a good majority of this mess.

I'd like to see UT (TT) and TAM leave. We could then get together as a conference to determine which four programs we want to retain the B12. We'd have OU, OSU, KU, KSU, MU, Baylor, maybe TT (if they don't become UT's beotch)...add the BE teams left after the departure of UConn, SU and Rutgers(?). The B12 is not dead yet because there's a lot of double talk taking place. It's definitely a poker game. I feel like Kenny Rogers' song "The Gambler" should be playing right about now.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

All around me are familiar faces Worn out places, worn out faces Bright and early for their daily races Going nowhere, going nowhere And their tears are filling up their glasses No expression, no expression Hide my head I want to drown my sorrow No tomorrow, no tomorrow

And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've ever had I find it hard to tell you 'Cos I find it hard to take When people run in circles It's a very, very Mad World

Tears for Fears - 1982

LSHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I don't understand why all the universities can't vote for equal revenue sharing and FORCE Texas to either accept it or leave. This conference would be fine without them and Tech.

sm5561 9 years, 7 months ago

I don't understand why Texas would fight against equal revenue sharing in the Big 12 if the alternative is the Pac where they would be forced into equal revenue sharing.

Also, isn't Oklahoma one of the big dogs? Won't they make less money if the Big 12 had equal revenue sharing?

Sam Constance 9 years, 7 months ago

+1

Boren is playing people. Pretending to be the victim, when in reality he's one of the perpetrators, if not the PRIMARY perp.

LogicMan 9 years, 7 months ago

I read a story from last night that said WVU is definitely out (SEC) due to their terrible fans. So MU is a shoo-in, if they want. Has this story been verified?

Spencer Goff 9 years, 7 months ago

It could be, and that the SEC and Mizzou are just waiting for the Big 12 to drop to five. That way Mizzou can leave, be the final blow to the Big 12. Thus freeing both sides from any legality.

And I always wondered why the SEC would want to pursuse West Virginia. I mean, you get... Ehhh... Bob Huggins? Keep your kids off the roadways, that is for sure.

mdfraz 9 years, 7 months ago

Wait, what? WVU has crappy fans so the SEC doesn't want them? Since when does MU have good fans that travel? Or have class? A shoo-in? If the "terrible fans" are an issue, anyone that thinks Mizzou has good fans clearly doesn't know anything about the university.

Spencer Goff 9 years, 7 months ago

These two are playing chicken while other universities try to plan for their future.

I think these two will continue playing chicken every year that one of them (most likely UT) does something the other doesn't like.

I think KU will have to put up with this crap forever.

Here is the problem: none of the options (as in other conferences) we have will make a move while the two pretty girls are still "available." And those two catty bitches won't do anything but argue. And so, here we are, stuck in purgatory.

The solution: kill them both. It is for the betterment of mankind. The nuclear bomb ended the second World War, only it can end this peter-measuring contest going on south of us. I believe that strategy should be revisited.

Eric Dawson 9 years, 7 months ago

Observations on three points from this turn of events that bode well for the existence of a continued, expanded Big 12 with an equal partnership model -- and both Texas and Oklahoma on board for the long haul.

  1. Because of the Longhorn Network, other conferences have rebuffed Texas. For all of them to date (even in reports from the Pac12 -- west coast reports, not Austin reports), it's been equal revenue sharing or "thanks for dropping by, but we're really not interested." This has left Texas spinning in the wind, to its great embarrassment. To quote Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News: "there is no chance that any school will have more than 1/16th of the revenue, whether it comes from the conference’s first, second or third-tier rights. NO CHANCE... They [the Pac12 CEOs] have all the leverage."
    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/19/pac-12-expansion-the-latest-on-texas-revenue-sharing-and-16-team-division-alignment/#more-21437 That leaves staying with the Big 12 the best option all around for all concerned, even Texas.

  2. Boren's comment that OU wants to be in a conference where its all for one and one for all on equal footing has just ratcheted up the pressure on Texas to put up or shut up on how Texas actually prefers staying in the Big 12. The conferences that have equality models are stable, growing and thriving. Too bad OU didn't do this years ago, when apparently any votes to change the conference model went 8-4 instead of the needed 9-3, and the 4 were always Texas, Nebraska, A&M and -- yep, OU.

  3. Texas BOR: Powers doesn't need their okay to stay Big 12, does to leave. That tells the world that the BOR would prefer to stay with the Big 12, and that any deals Powers works out to leave must get their okay. Note well these words, people: "After the vote, Powers said only that the process is “ongoing” and left without further comment." Boren comes out from his meeting shooting, and the big gunslinger from Texas comes out essentially "no comment". That tells me that Powers heard some harsh sub rosa words from his BOR.

So now Texas needs to weigh the pros and cons of: Sharing equally in the Pac1# (or any other conference) versus Sharing equally in a rebuilt Big 12.

Any logical analysis would favor sharing equally in what currently is considered -- on the field -- perhaps the best college football conference in the country.

But up until now, logic hasn't played a big part in all this.
It's been blinded by greed. It's been madness.

Hank Cross 9 years, 7 months ago

Absolutely 100% correct analysis. In regard to No. 3, it's sadly unsurprising that so many sports journalists are missing the boat entirely. The difference between the way the OU BOR treated Boren and what happened to Powers tells you what the UT BOR thinks about whatever scheme Powers cooked up with Scott on Sunday.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 7 months ago

I agree. I wonder if they were equally displeased with Powers using his "powers" too freely. Creating that Longhorn network has caused them all kinds of trouble, destroyed the Big12, and is keeping them from moving along.

madamhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

This ordeal has taken a toll on my mental state. I'm headed to Belize for some R&R. Someone call me when there has been a final decision about our conference afilliation. 867-5309

VaJay 9 years, 7 months ago

The point is ladies & gentlemen that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms - greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge - has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed - you mark my words - will not only save Kansas University, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the NCAA.

Here are two good articles on the mess.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15601607

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootball/story/15606444/congress-stop-tvinspired-realignment-money-grab-uh-like-now

lothario64118 9 years, 7 months ago

So with all this "good" greed, does that mean one day China will be in charge of the NCAA?

This country is selling and has sold the rope that will hang us in the end. Does the same hold true for all the schools looking for big dollars???

Eric Dawson 9 years, 7 months ago

To borrow a phrase, I have a dream...

OU's Boren, wanting to stay in an equal partnership Big 12, approaches A&M's Loftin with the following game plan:

Texas has now seen that none of the other conferences will take it on any but an equal footing.

A&M is still a member of the Big 12. Vote with OU and the rest of the Conference to change the charter so it is one of equal partnership, as is the case with all the other major conferences that Texas would want to join. If it passes, Texas either becomes an equally sharing partner with everyone or leaves. A&M stays, and becomes the unquestionably premier Texas school in the conference. If it doesn't, OU and A&M both leave, forcing Texas to leave the conference it destroyed and leaving the rest to scramble to hobble together a home or leave for greener pastures if and when they become available.

A&M agrees to the plan, and it is implemented.

The vote is held and passes 9-1.

Scenario 1: Texas relents and stays, A&M and OU stay and the conference adds BYU, TCU (over Texas objections), West Virginia and South Florida (TVs! and recruiting grounds!) to grow to 14.

Scenario 2: Texas leaves (I really don't see this happening, there is too much against it, but battered and misguided Texas pride may win out), but A&M and OU stay and the conference adds BYU, TCU, West Virginia, South Florida and Central Florida (C-USA, same reasons as USF) to get to 14.

It's just a dream, but I'll keep it until it's no longer possible.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 7 months ago

I like your dream except I like Louisville and Cincy a lot better. Not because of basketball but because of their potential in football.

Rick Arnoldy 9 years, 7 months ago

I like it, too. Ohio is fertile recruiting grounds (Glen Mason found lots of talent out here), it makes more sense geographically, and I'd get to see KU play out here every now and then.

flyingfinn 9 years, 7 months ago

KU needed to be pro-active long ago and chose not to. What is their bargainlng chip, BASKETBALL. Why do you think the ACC took Pitt and Syacuse it was NOT because of football, Syracuse has not had a good footbal team in years and Pitt is decent at best so they took them right away because of basketball that will make them the basketball super conference in the nation and what has KU done NOTHING but watch their world crumble under them.

lv_jhwk 9 years, 7 months ago

If only that was the case, my friend. While yes, SU and Pitt are successful bb schools and thus a good fit for the hoops-centric ACC, it is more important that they are East Coast schools who were kept from potentially joining the B1G. For this same reason I've said from the moment the ACC expansion was announced that UConn and Rutgers would be next, simply because it keeps the B1G from gaining a foothold in the East.

While KU would have definitely been a hardwood match for the conference, it does little else that would make it a viable option.

Matthew Pyle 9 years, 7 months ago

KU needs to get off their butts. Sitting around waiting for the shoe to drop??? Our AD and University Administrators better be doing something or they'll never see another dime from me..........

flyingfinn 9 years, 7 months ago

Agree seeing us join the dregs of the Big East while Mizzou goes to the SEC makes me puke

Joe Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

pyl and finn- I hear and do believe SZ is working closely with Bebe. Yes it is a terrible thought that MU goes SEC and KU gets the "dregs."

I don't think we should jump into a pool with no water either. My case in point is TCU. They had no idea what would happen with the BE and now they find themselves in a worse position.

I really like what I'm hearing from Boren. I hope Bebe and the remaining B12 members will approach OU and OSU with agreements. I wouldn't be too hurt to lose UT and if TT is dumb enough to tag along for no reason, then so be it. So many have made good arguments for replacements. I do like that fact that Bebe and the B12 have made it clear we are here to stay and we are taking a select few to replace the lost teams. I would love to see UT get exactly what they deserve and that's left out on their own with all their network money. They will not share and Boren wants an equal share among the conference. It's obvious that UT is the most greedy program in the B12 and we don't need them.

1jhawk2 9 years, 7 months ago

I am not familiar with all the dollar numbers on the table for PAC 12 /16 and Big 12. That may answer my question, but if UT doesn't want equal revenue sharing in the Big 12, what's the draw to the PAC 16? Wouldn't they have to share there as well and take a hit in their network? Is the dollar figure that much larger with a PAC 16 that they would make more money by sharing equally out west? I don't understand why UT would pursue another conference if, from what I read, is a problem caused by them. Is it that apparent they don't think they are the problem.

Does OU want more money shared with OU and OSU or with all remaining members of the Big 12? I know this is all about money and is it possible OU/OSU may be utilizing this situation to get UT to share more money? Why then would UT be looking to go with them? PAC 12 says it will only work if UT joins with OU/OSU. I understand from the standpoint of the PAC 12 getting more TV's from the state of Texas, but I don't understand from UT's standpoint of sharing with more schools and giving up a lot of their TV network.

I would like to see the Big 12 stay, with KU, KSUcks, fuMU, ISU, OU, OSU, UT, TT, Baylor (TAMU if still possible things work out) BYU and Louisville. If it doesn't work out, do we have any chance to land in the ACC or Big 10?

bradynsdad 9 years, 7 months ago

LTCUSaret. I like your thinking. My dream for all this would be Texas and tech leave OU and okie state stay. We then pick up TCU, Louisville, cincy, west virginia and rutgers or south Florida. We then make the league an equal revenue sharing league to help stabilize it. I know this is far fetched but maybe it might work. I think Texas is the real problem and OU wants away from them.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 7 months ago

Agree, brandynsdad. Oklahoma already gets a good chunk. I think they want Texas gone or cut down to size.

Sam Constance 9 years, 7 months ago

Really not understanding why so many people are taking Boren at his word.

OU is one of the schools that benefits from the unequal revenue sharing, so it's a bit galling to hear their president talk about the inequality and the instability of the Big 12, when they are a willing participant in both issues.

As far as MU going to the SEC.... good riddance. I'm a bit loathe to see the Border Rivalry go by the wayside (it's not the same to play in a non-conference setting as it is to play your rival when your place in the conference is also on the line), but not THAT upset about it.

MU is a terrible fit for the SEC, just like A&M. As a Kansas fan, I'd rather see us with the other "dregs"--in a merger between the remnants of the Big 12 and Big East--than seeing us join the SEC or Pac 12.

97jhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

The bigger question that's being overlooked that came out of this article is that since when was Colorado considered a conference rival for Oklahoma, let alone anyone else in the Big 12? Now that's a preposterous statement if I've ever heard one...haha!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 7 months ago

Ironic isn't it that this corporation of schools wants more equal revenue sharing. Meanwhile on the mainstreets of America the citizens look for shared sacrifice and are laughed at.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 7 months ago

This entire bizarro world process would have the utmost ironic fittng ending if it ended up that nothing changed but the distribution of money.

1]Colorado and Nebraska took their marbles and went home.

2]TA&M left in a huff because they weren't the prettiest princess at the ball.

3]Texas and Oklahoma are covered with red clay from all the mud slinging.

4]Oklahoma State's nose is bright orange from being up UT's butt.

5]Missouri is searching to pi$$ off another conference.

6]Texas Tech is wringing her hands at the altar because no bridegroom has shown up.

7]Baylor is still David swinging the sling aound it's head ready to fell a giant.

8]Iowa Sate and Kansas State are both learning how to spell WAC.

And that leaves Kansas, the silent one...waiting, waiting, waiting. Sometimes the best action is not to act but let the action come to you. It is frustrating for us but Kansa has made no embarrasing declarations, no hasty proclamations, no promises, no rumors, no tweets, or twitters. All options are open.

This is better than sex [well, maybe not that good...but it is fascinating!!!]

lance1jhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

So long Mizzou... I will not miss you. Enjoy getting your teeth kicked in everygame, in football in the SEC. PS ROLLTIDE

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