Originally published September 19, 2011 at 08:24a.m., updated September 20, 2011 at 01:05a.m.

Prep star Perry Ellis to announce college choice on Wednesday

Pray and Play's Perry Ellis (left) tries to get around Dreamvision's Winston Shepard in the Jayhawk Invitational Tournament Friday, April 29, 2011 at Haskell University.

Pray and Play's Perry Ellis (left) tries to get around Dreamvision's Winston Shepard in the Jayhawk Invitational Tournament Friday, April 29, 2011 at Haskell University.


Wichita Heights senior blue-chip basketball forward Perry Ellis will orally commit to Kansas University, Kansas State, Wichita State or Kentucky at a 2:45 p.m. assembly Wednesday in the Heights gymnasium.

The 6-foot-8, 220-pound Ellis — who has been a target of college coaches since the eighth grade when he was featured in Sports Illustrated — recently had in-home visits with coaches of his four finalists. He has made unofficial recruiting trips to all four schools.

“We enjoyed this process, but I think because he was recruited at such a young age, we are ready to go to the next step and have him decide, and then we move on to the senior season and then go off to college,” Ellis’ mom, Fonda, said Monday night. “We’ve done a lot of traveling the last two years. We’ve been to the campuses a lot. Every time we visited a school, he either went to class or a game or saw practice or took tours of the facilities. We did all that. He didn’t think he needed to do that again. He’s decided to decide and then take one official visit to the school he picked.”

Ellis, a three-time Kansas Gatorade Player of the Year and’s No. 24-rated player nationally, has led Heights to three-straight state titles.

“It’s an exciting time,” Fonda Ellis said, noting no final decision has been reached. “Well, he is still sleeping on it, but all the schools are still working hard. We have not notified any of the coaches. They all are in the same position at this point because they are all still working.

“We had coach Manning (Danny, KU) come today. We think a couple coaches are coming tomorrow to Heights. They (coaches) are not done yet. They are fighting until the end.”

Fonda said nobody would know the final decision until the assembly.

Goodwin cuts KU, UConn

Archie Goodwin, a 6-4 senior guard from Sylvan Heights High in Little Rock, Ark., announced on Twitter on Monday that he’d canceled upcoming visits to Kansas and UConn.

“Both are very great schools but I’m going to drop them from my list,” said’s No. 12-rated recruit, who has a final three of Arkansas, Kentucky and Memphis. He had originally planned on attending Saturday’s Legend of the Phog exhibition game in Allen Fieldhouse.

Aldrich, Collison give back

Former KU players Nick Collison and Cole Aldrich of the NBA’s Oklahoma City Thunder today will help tip off FitClub34, a program founded by former KU player Paul Pierce to encourage physical fitness among youth. KU coach Bill Self’s Assists Foundation and Kansas Athletics worked together with Pierce’s “The Truth on Health” campaign to bring FitClub34 to Lawrence. The event will be at 4:15 p.m. at the Boys & Girls Club of East Heights.

FitClub34 and The Truth on Health campaign are initiatives of The Truth Fund, a foundation started by Boston Celtics standout Pierce in 2002. Members of FitClub34 receive a Paul Pierce Activity Watch, which tracks physical activity. Youths must make a promise to lead a healthier lifestyle by eating smart and exercising for one hour per day. For every 60 minutes of activity logged, members receive reward codes, which are entered into the FitClub34 Website and exchanged for points and prizes. FitClub34 members participate online at

“We are excited about this partnership,” KU coach Bill Self said. “Paul is as passionate as we are about encouraging kids to get active and live healthy lives. Providing unique opportunities for them to do that and be rewarded for it is a win for everybody.”


Cox Communications Kansas 22 has joined the Jayhawk Television Network lineup for Saturday’s Legends of the Phog charity basketball game in Allen Fieldhouse. Metro Sports will televise the game in the Kansas City area. The 4 p.m., game will be shown on the internet on AT&T; Jayhawk All Access. One can subscribe to All Access at


TXBBall55 6 years, 2 months ago

Have fun at Kentucky. They'll be easy to spot as they'll be the ones laughing at KU for having incompetent leaders.

jhawkNKC 6 years, 2 months ago

Wow. The fact that you took the time to type in the address to this site, looked through the stories, found one about a KU recruit and left THIS is REALLY pathetic.

Alohahawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Even more astonishing: The fact that he/she (TXBBall55) could read or type, period.

Mr. Ellis will choose the Jayhawks on Wedenesday.

RCJH - Go Perry Ellis! The Jayhawk Nation has been anxiously awaiting your decision.

Carter Patterson 6 years, 2 months ago

Did aholeperse come up with a new screen name?

TXBBall55 6 years, 2 months ago

Sorry guys, KU alum here. Just TOTALLY dejected about this conference alignment garbage. It just angers me to the nth degree that Kensucky is sitting pretty through all of this.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 2 months ago

I think it is absolutely ridiculous to criticize the leaders at this point in the process. Just because SZ hasn't come out and said, "We've petitioned the Big 10 or the ACC or PAC 12 for admission" doesn't mean they are incompetent. How much did you hear from the leaders at Pitt and Syracuse before the bombshell that they are heading to the ACC?

For all we know, you could be absolutely on the money about their competence, or lack thereof. At the same time, they could be doing a fantastic job of positioning KU for when all the chips start to fall. The fact of the matter is, we don't know, and that goes for you as well. Wait until the results are in before deciding whether or not to crucify them.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

How can you even think that SZ or the leaders of this university are positioning KU for anything? No conference wants KU. Open your eyes. They should've been more proactive in this entire thing. They haven't been. They've been committed to a sinking ship, and it's embarrassing.

Back to basketball........ I firmly believe Ellis will be a Jayhawk!

LAJayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Wow. Talk about strawman. I read nothing in raprichard's post that said he had "blind faith" or that they were doing a "great job." All he said is, wait and see how this ends before judging what they are doing. You don't have information, so you don't know whether to say their actions are good or bad.

You are certainly free to say you wish the AD or chancellor would be more "proactive" or whatever, but don't make up arguments for others and then argue against them. It just makes you look silly.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

Larry Scott, PAC-12 commissioner, was quoted as saying "we're not interested in Kansas." The Big 10 isn't interested in expanding at this time. Who's left?

Ron Prichard 6 years, 2 months ago

So what would you suggest they say publicly? manginorhoolz above has a picture that says Pray for PAC and clearly has been on the Kansas to PAC bandwagon. Now you are quoting Larry Scott saying the PAC doesn't want KU. What if Zenger had come out a week ago and said we are working diligently on going to the PAC and aren't intereseted in the BIG 10 or ACC or anyone else at this point, the PAC is our first priority. Well, now what? Oh, they don't want us, we'll look elsewhere. That's what MU did a year ago and look what it got them. A lot of egg on their face and an entire conference's ire.

I'm not saying they are doing a great job or not doing a great job. I just want to wait to see how this unfolds before I judge their actions. Since you want them to be more public, what would you like them to say? Can you answer that question?

Ron Prichard 6 years, 2 months ago

Thanks. You are right on. I don't know if they are doing a good job or not, but I know they know much more than I do and they both have to know this is their "legacy" moment. I'm guessing they are doing much more behind the scenes than we realize. Hopefully they are both doing a good job and we see positive results when it is all said and done. I have to say, though, I agree with everyone on here that I am seriously worried about what is going to happen. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 2 months ago

This was supposed to be in response to LAJayhawk's comment.

Lonnie Ross Dillon 6 years, 2 months ago

And you want to assume that NOTHINGS been done because they haven't been all over the news. Maybe discrete discussions is what calm heads're leaping to conclusions as much as anyone. Face it. Nobody posting on tis board has any impact on what will happen, so let's just chill out and wait.

6 years, 2 months ago

Nope..No KU alum would ever use TXBBall55 as a screen name.

TXBBall55 6 years, 2 months ago

I would when I now live in Texas. Grew up in Lawrence and went to KU for undergrad...

6 years, 2 months ago

Always love welcoming new posters..

I'm sure your future comments will improve over time.

6 years, 2 months ago

Honestly KUhawks77, I don't have a clue. Some of these kids make decisions based on which shoe company or uniform colors that the school has. I just try to put myself in the kids place and think what I would do...

6 years, 2 months ago

Honestly KUhawks77, I don't have a clue. Some of these kids make decisions based on which shoe company or uniform colors that the school has. I just try to put myself in the kids place and think what I would do...

Larry Kampa 6 years, 2 months ago

You really think this kid, easily a one and done'r, is even thinking about conference re-alignment and where KU will be in two or three years? Scares me more to think that Wichita Heights is on a recruiting list with KU and Kentucky!!

6 years, 2 months ago

And I cannot even post correctly.

Ben Kane 6 years, 2 months ago

i don't have a good feeling about this...

TXBBall55 6 years, 2 months ago

As you shouldn't. It's been a fun run guys! See you on the other side.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 2 months ago

The question is the obvious basketball advantages at Kansas [staff, venue, history, home state, etc.] outweigh the just as obvious difficulties with the future of Kansas conference affiliation.

I heard one jacka$$ commenting on the pitiful effort by Kansas after the Georgia Tech game that Kansas basketball would be fine because many non-football universities make the NCAA playoffs".

i think it's between Kentucky and us. Any word on Calimari's house visit?

TXBBall55 6 years, 2 months ago

Don't count out WSU in this. It would be very foolish if you do.

DevilHawk 6 years, 2 months ago

I have to agree. Wichita State and Kentucky are well-settled in their conferences, whereas KU and K-State are up in the air.

Personally, I would be concerned about KU not landing a major conference when the dust settles, causing Bill Self to leave.

Do I think that's going to happen? No. Is it possible? Clearly. Otherwise we, as KU fans, wouldn't be worrying so much about conference realignment.

karken1992 6 years, 2 months ago

If conference realignment works out to the absolute worst case scenario do you really believe KU will be in a lower conference than the MVC??? I am not saying WSU won't win the Perry lotto but really?

DevilHawk 6 years, 2 months ago

The issue is uncertainty/instability.

The worst case scenario (sports-wise) is that we land outside of a power conference, resulting in: Needing to reduce the pay for our coaches and trainers, including Self, Dooley, Townsend, Manning, and Hudy. Other schools see an opportunity and hire those individuals away from KU. KU is no longer able to pay competitively enough to attract key basketball coaches. KU basketball dies off without a top-tier coaching staff. KU football goes back to being worthless. KU ultimately sees little or no sports revenue.

That is the doomsday scenario.

In terms of recruiting players, however, the reasonable possibility of losing the coach within one or two years is enough of an issue to look elsewhere. Perhaps not for Perry (who is probably looking to be OAD), but certainly for others.

Joe Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

WTH does uk and wsu offer Perry? His mom said this realignment crap will have no bearing on his choice. Mrs. Ellis wants the best for Perry's development both academically and athletically.
I'm from Wichita, many friends and family have attended WSU. The basketball is no KU. They don't offer DMan to give Perry the NBA development he needs at this point. I have no problem with WSU at all but just don''t think they can offer Perry what he needs right now. I'm not getting into Kensucky's academics and not to mention the Sleazy car salesman they call a coach is no coach for big men. He has zero bigs making the impact like the KU bigs. He is a guard coach pure and simple.

DevilHawk 6 years, 2 months ago

On the topic of KU Bigs, KenPom relatively recently added player to player similarity/stats comparisons.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that Marcus and Markieff have a correlation of 861 (out of 1000) based on his metrics.

Steve Jacob 6 years, 2 months ago

He would be a god for playing at WSU. He'd own that town.

woodscolt 6 years, 2 months ago

KSU and KU are tied with the instability of the big Mess. If your a one and done, that might not matter. He may be gone before the big 12 is. Their aren't enough fingers left to cross hoping for the big 12 anything but ashes.

KSU advantages are, well, thats a hard one. Friends and family could get to see the games but wsu leads that category.

WSU won the NIT and he would be the big man on campus and could propel them into the big dance and maybe a sweet 16

Kentucky is on a roll and is very stable in the sec. They have to be a heavy favorite to play in a title game . The hole culture of calipari and uk is the polar opposite of Perry Ellis.

KU: This would be the best fit. Self and his program are of impeccable character which could describe Perry Ellis, as well. Self is always going to be in the mix for playing for championships. The only drawback is the instabillity that may make a recruit wonder what he might be getting into. One and done may or may not factor into the instability.

I guess I wouldn't be shocked if his decision turned out to be a "shocker"

100 6 years, 2 months ago

I wonder if it would make you less scared if you knew that Calipari will be coaching the Dominican Republic team next summer. We're talking all summer. A there's a decent probability the following summer too. All summer again.

He's not confirmed it yet but he will. He's really ticked off they finished 3rd in this summer's tourney. They needed to finish at least 2nd to be eligible for the Olympics.

What this means is more than likely Calipari is planning on taking the reigns of the Dominican Republic team again next summer in an attempt to get them into the 2012 summer Olympics in London.

The reason he's not gone public with it yet is, it affects three summers in a row. In some ways it's like being an NBA coach for three years straight with nearly no breaks. Temperment issues will rear their head (remember what Terrence Jones was called on national TV by Calipari last year in a sideline scene?)

It will only get worse over the next couple years for Calipari. Sometimes he won't remember which team he's coaching....

Of course he wouldn't want Perry or his family to know anything like this, so surely he didn't mention it.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 2 months ago

I really just need some good news when it comes to the University of Kansas whether it deals with recruiting or the realignment talk.

Personally, I think this recruitment is down Kansas and Wichita State. If there was ever a time you could step in and get playing time as a freshman and be a major contributor in the crimson and blue would be now.

jay381 6 years, 2 months ago

Is the glass half full or half empty? Hopefully I am correct and the glass is half full. Realistically given his talents I could never see him giving more than an obligatory glance at WSU or K-State. Since Calipari did an in home both they family and the prospect had the ability to see right through this rogue organization and say no way. On the flip side if they bought his slimy sales pitch and he is declaring less than a week after the in home visit well that glass looks empty. Until he declares otherwise I am still looking at that half full glass. He has certainly been on campus enough to know about KU. He sure could get one heck of a "welcome to KU" if he declares to KU and goes to the “Legends of the Phog” this Sat. That would be a “half full” reason to commit on Wed. Let’s be positive until proven wrong. The young man has a 4 point average academically and I will hope he makes a correct decision to go to KU.

Joe Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

+1, I agree 110%. KU has recruited him the longest. He has an excellent relationship with the coaches. His parents seem to like KU. The other schools just do not offer what KU can offer him right now. His parents are great and think they'll weigh all his options. They'll see the same facts we see at this point.

The glass is half full. Afterall, it's his decision and he'll live with it for the next 2-4 years.

jaywalkinhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

As everyone knows, not being in a power conference will seriously affect recruiting at KU. It is hard to get 3 star recruits for football now in the BIG 12, but if we are in a leftover league it is going to be hard for Self to recruit quality recruits in basketball as well.

Self is an excellent coach and look for him to be moving to one of the PAC schools, especially if OU and OSU are there.

aviebs51 6 years, 2 months ago

Says who? I remember a team from the conference USA played in the national championship in 2008....I hear they had some good recruits....

jaywalkinhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Aviebs51, you are correct. But they also had 38 wins vacated from basketball. Now he is at UK and Perry Ellis would be wise to avoid him. Penalties should have been on Calipari as well. He will do anything to win...just look at the Final Four in 1996 with Mass.

Tim Orel 6 years, 2 months ago

Isn't Butler in the MAC? They seem to do alright.

79ictjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

A "power" conference will not be a major factor in Ellis' decision - one of his finalist is WSU. In whatever conference KU ends up in, it will be better than the MVC by far. If we merge with the leftovers of the Big East, it may be weaker at football (if OU & UT leave), but it will be a stronger basketball conference. Self is not leaving his dream job - calm the hell down!

woodscolt 6 years, 2 months ago

Perry, if your reading this stuff, put that crimson and blue on and join the legends!!!!!!! Put yourself in the same sentence with Wilt Chamberlain James Naismith!!!!!!!

jaywalkinhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Woodscolt you are right. KU is an excellent school and has a great Basketball tradition. Coming to KU would be a great decision.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

Jeez some of you people are scary. If Ellis cares about conference stability he'll be at UK. If he cares about anything else, he'll be a Jayhawk. Come on guys.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

I would. This is a Kansas kid who has been on campus several times. Been to several games. Is so familiar with Self and staff. The chance to win big at a program like KU. He knows he will be developed better by Manning and co than he will be by Marshalls staff at WSU. Have a little faith. We are Kansas, and its time we start acting like it!

Dyrk Dugan 6 years, 2 months ago

Announcements are not good. and usually, there's an announcement, of a change in the time of the announcement...and that's even worse.

At one point, since he eliminated Duke, i thought it was for sure between us and WSU. Now, UK seems to have caught on...and that would really stink if he went there. our backyard, losing a big time recruit to Kentucky.

c'mon Perry! Jayhawk for life brother! :)

DRsmith 6 years, 2 months ago

Self needs this one bad after botching the Anderson deal and not going after Cauley harder.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

I will agree that Self needs this kid. Primarily though, not because of the previous recruits, but because we need players inside badly, and he'd be a complete stud here!

Ben Simonett 6 years, 2 months ago

This will be a september commitment, not april. History suggests this isn't going to work out in our favor

Clarence Haynes 6 years, 2 months ago

Never have I seen so many folks with inferiority complexes!

gchawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Not so sure about feeling inferior, just insecure.

Benjamin Piehler 6 years, 2 months ago

This announcement comes only 3 days after Calapari visits Wichita.... the omens don't look good.

Dan Harris 6 years, 2 months ago

Maybe calsleazy left a grease stain on Momma Ellis's couch and she's pissed!

DalTXJayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Would you not think the Calipari visit would go something like this?

"Why would you want to go to Kansas, they most likely will be playing in the Mt West. When that happens, Self will leave you stuck in an inferior conference without the ability to recruit a big name coach to replace him? Come to Kentucky, conference is stable, coaching is stable..."

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

Are you serious? Cal recurited lots of stars to Memphis. Thats Conference-USA. Moutain West > Conference USA. This is just borderline retarded. How is coaching at KU unstable? I actually feel dumber after reading this post. Wow. Just wow. Cal doesnt know what Stable coaching is......... I can go on and on, but!

Clarence Haynes 6 years, 2 months ago

Never have I seen so many folks with inferiority complexes! Get off of it! Regardless of the outcome of this alignment stuff, KU will still have a solid brand of B-Ball with which Mr. Ellis would proud of being associated. Moreover, KU is a great University with a lot to offer a young man who is not only a talented athlete but also a gifted student!

Alex Berger 6 years, 2 months ago

This conference realignment stuff can't be good for Kansas recruiting, but on the bright side we have a lot of recruiting options in basketball this year. Kaleb-T and Perry Ellis are obviously the goals, we will probably get Nino Jackson from Oklahoma (since he doesn't want to go anywhere else), and that leaves an opening for whoever takes Braedon Anderson's spot.

jdhawk1988 6 years, 2 months ago

I disagree I really don't think the conference realignment hurts bball recruiting at all. That whole thing is about football. Basketball players want to 1) be on TV 2) make the NCAA tourney and 3) win the championship. You don't need to be in a BCS conference for that. None of our Marquee matchups this year are in conference (Kentucky, Ohio State, Georgetown) and every year we schedule tough out of conference so it doesn't matter where we play.

We are Kansas Basketball and no one can argue we are and alway will be a top 5 program, Welcome to the Jayhawks Perry

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 2 months ago

If you don't think it hurts recruiting at all, then what do you think will replace KU and Big Monday. Yeah, it will really hurt recruiting. National TV exposure restricted. Ouch.

Clarence Haynes 6 years, 2 months ago

Our coach has won the big enchilada. How many have yours won?

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

Jesus, you lead by a few games. Fact is were both in the same class, and you cannot seriously think that UK is any better than KU. You're only making yourself look dumber than you already are.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

There are no meaningful metrics toolbag. You cant even compare the 2. Both are equal and if you cannot see this, you are moronic. I am standing here, as a KU fan, telling you that I respect the tradition of UK. But you, come here and bash and badmouth KU for what? You think this kid is going to UK? Cal can sell thats no lie. But so can Self.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

That's exactly why Ellis should come to KU, so he doesn't surround himself with "fans" like YUKallday.

If he spends a week in Lexington, he'll lose all his teeth, be strung out on crack and his IQ will be smaller than his shoe size.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Putting the word 'dumb' in quotations is a way for stupid people to protect their own egos and self-delusion.

They aren't really dumb. They're just "dumb".

Beate Williams 6 years, 2 months ago

The only reason Kentucky has more victories is because they would not play teams with black players until they had no alternative. If they had played the same competition that KU was playing for decades, KU would be the leader. That didn't happen and so Kentucky is ahead, we will see for how much longer.

Joe Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

You didn't answer the question. How many NCs does your car salesman have at this point?

NONE, ZERO because he's not at a program long enough and he can't cheat enough to win a NC. Go and bask in all your bball glory. Why come over to a KU board? You Kensucky fans have to come to a real board that knows bball and one that has a real bball tradition.

I'll never understand why you have to comment on a KU board if you are so secure in your own dillusional program. You're also in complete denial of your coach's past. He's taking you down and hard. Enjoy the ensuing death penalty that lies ahead. Oh, I would be very afraid if he bails in the next few years. The sanctions will follow, ask Memphis. Oh and ask a Memphis fan how much they love Ol' Cal.

Tom Gillaspie 6 years, 2 months ago

how about a shoebox full of cash? isn't that the way they do it down in blue-blood land?

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Better school? That's funny, since US News places KU as the #46 public institution and UK as the #59 public institution. The idea that any SEC school is a "quality" school is beyond laughable to anyone except the 'too close to see the forest for the trees' SEC fans.

Better coach? Well, we do have this head-to-head example between Calipari and Self to settle this question...

Better players? You might be right here, depending on your definition of "better". More highly-ranked by the recruiting services? Sure thing.

Final note: you'd think a Calipari drone would have a better understanding of how eligibility works. KU has nothing to do with Anderson being ineligible, not to mention the fact that Kentucky is one year removed from having an ineligible kid on their roster. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. Smells like... Calipari's hair gel.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Amendment: my apologies to Vanderbilt, who was incorrectly classified as a mediocre school by affiliation with the SEC.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

The funny thing is Anderson would be eligible to play for an SEC school.

The only thing getting in Anderson's way is the Big 12 committee. They've let partial qualifiers play before, for some reason, perhaps because they're too busy washing their depends the last couple weeks, not this time.

bad_dog 6 years, 2 months ago

Well your school does have the lead in basketball point-shaving scandals, so they're certainly "better" at that aspect of the game. I'm sure Cal feels right at home.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Well, there's taking money to directly influence the outcome of a game in a manner that is not only prohibited by NCAA rules, but illegal under federal law...

Then there's giving a recruit (Vincent Askew) less than $400 so that he can fly home to see his dying grandmother, and telling the NCAA about it at the time. That was the "serious violation" at the heart of the probation.

In black and white, p***ing contest message board speak, those are equal. But in the real world, where actions and choices are uniquely different, we all know that point shaving is much, much more shady than Kansas' violation.

Lastly, the only reason the Death Penalty was brought up was because of a specious use of the "repeat offenders" issue. NCAA was thinking of imposing a 1 year shutdown of the basketball program on the basis that the violations constituted a repeat offense (the first being a violation by the FOOTBALL team in 1983). Anyone who thinks that's an appropriate justification should have their head checked. Holding the basketball program responsible for the joint violations of the basketball and football programs would be insanity, and clearly the NCAA agreed.

The only reason it was even mentioned in the official release was so the NCAA could use KU as an example and put the fear of God into other potential violators.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Thank you Marchphog. Clear explanation. I'd only like to add that the recruit whose grandma died also ended up at Memphis State.

MarchPhog, it was gentlemanly indeed, considering the discussions of financial matters seem so important to this fan from UK, that you did not mention the Chicago newspaper story regarding Anthony Davis, one of UK's current freshman.

According to the Chicago newspaper, & backed up by multiple sources from other schools recruiting him, Davis was on the take.

According to the Chicago paper Davis's dad accepted $200,000 from an employee of the University of Kentucky.

The University of Kentucky threatened a lawsuit against the Chicago paper unless they removed the story. The Chicago paper would not remove the story. In fact they wrote an even more damning, follow up piece regarding the Davis recruitment. I like how you didn't mention that.

I also liked how you didn't mention the curious timing of UK offering Calipari the job (while his employer was being looked into). It was also quite nice of you to leave out the fact that Calipari had an out clause for his Memphis players which allowed them to follow him shame free, wherever Calipari went.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

This is the epitome of why nationally UK fans have put themselves in a pickle.

Somewhere back in their history one of their fans who more than likely didn't even attend UK started a battle cry about being "the best" or how other programs "envy" them or how UK has "the most wins in the history."

The only battle cry that is even close to true is the latter. And even that one is highly skeptical. Today's NCAA would have stripped three entire seasons away, the seasons of 1948, 1949 & 1951. As you'll recall after the death penalty was laid down, a lot of players from those Kentucky teams came out & talked about what really happened with pay to play for Kentucky as well as being asked to shave points for payment with betters. Many UK players were involved in this college basketball gangster real-life movie for over 4 years. It wasnt pretty. For any fans alive back then, they know how ugly this was. Kentucky's reputation never got back on track after this. And Kentucky was a terrible team in terms of record before 1930, the year Rupp took over. So really they didn't have a lot of years of "dominance" built in at that point.

The only profile this UK fan demeanor points to is that of having an inferiority complex, mixed with following a tribal call of a drunken fan from way back when that didn't even attend UK.

Get your program back Kentucky. Don't buy into these catch phrases, they make your fanbase persona seem drunken & idiotically idiotic... It's about Basketball baby. Naismith's invention. That's what it's about. Basket. Ball.

(notice how I didn't even mention how many games Bledsoe, an ineligible college player played in Calipari's first season at UK? Nor did I speak of the death penalty in 1952, the one you neglected to mention, claiming all the while the only bad press UK ever received was because of Sutton).


Where have you been since 1948?

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Could have been a lot worse if Roy hadn't played the cheerleaders and the popcorn vendors.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

You're right. You wouldn't go to KU. They have a requirement that you have to be able to speak and spell.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Better school?

Are you serious?

No disrespect to the University of Kentucky, but the University of Kentucky is the equivalent of a junior college. Have you ever been to their campus? Have you ever talked to the locals? Have you ever taken a class there? Do you know why your professors complain all the time & leave for other jobs?

Kentucky basketball knows.

Oh & did you really just say "Seven" NCAA titles?

Perhaps you should take a look at the first three you "won". Look back at what your players from the '48, '49 & '51 teams said about pay for play. Look back at what was uncovered with point shaving during that 4 year span. Look back at the death penalty Kentucky basketball received in 1952.

Let me guess, you'll say none of this ever happened?

Ever seen a Sports Illustrated cover with a Kentucky player on it that says, "Kentucky's shame" for the title?

Ever heard of a player named Eric Bledsoe?

Do you ever wonder how he made it to college without passing math?

Do you wonder how the gradebook was changed?

Do you ever wonder who paid for his living expenses his senior year in high school?

Do you know who his landlord said paid for him?

His high school coach.

I wonder why a high school coach who has close to zero dollars in his bank account would pay for a student's rent?

It makes me wonder if a college coach had anything to do with these funds?

Apparently the NCAA wondered the same thing.

It makes me wonder which college coach Eric Bledsoe signed to play for.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Did your coaching staff mention to Perry Ellis where UK has been considering moving to, for the purposes of football, which would also impact its basketball?

I know you guys don't have to "beg" so congratulations there...

But did you guys mention to Perry that UK's fans have been discussing joining big East in the next couple years?

Did you mention to Perry the irony of this regarding the fact that the big East is the next to implode?

You guys are in a stable conference for crying out loud!

Why would you guys ever consider going to the Big East?

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Either you are a very isolated Kentucky fan or you don't know your own fanbase.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Talk to any Kentucky fan with half a degree. Half of them want to go to the Big East because of football. Half of them because the SEC sucks in basketball.

Google "Kentucky Big East, should go, football, basketball"...

I'm sure you'll find plenty to read.

Just don't let Perry Ellis read it.

Rock Chalk, Kentucky Wildcats.

See you guys at the Garden,

100 6 years, 2 months ago

As I'm sure you know, the point of contention with longtime Kentucky football fans is the fact that winning an SEC title, much less winning 7 games in the SEC is seen as nearly impossible. The best season they could have dreamed to have occurred a few years ago with Rich Brooks. Your team finished 8-5 I believe. Not bad for an SEC team. Especially when most fans were used to 2-9. Lately it's been closer to 6-6.

But at that point, the 8-5 season, "near perfection for UK football", that's when UK football fans began to see that's the tip of the iceberg for Kentucky in SEC football. So why not go Big East & kill two birds with one stone? A UK football team in the big East would have a shot at 10 win seasons occassionally... And the basketball team could finally play in a top 3 conference where respect is earned...

Of course it's probably not a good idea to mention any of this to Perry Ellis.

Especially now that two of the perks of playing basketball in the Big East, Syracuse & Pitt just took off for the greener pastures of the ACC.

6 years, 2 months ago

Of coarse you wouldn't go to wouldn't meet the academic requirements.

Chris Bruning 6 years, 2 months ago

you're not even gonna get anybody to fire back at you when you go that far into stupidity.....peace!!

100 6 years, 2 months ago

All I know is, best of luck to you guys in this recruiting battle. Historically Kansas fans have had a delicate affinity for UK & UNC. The hate wasn't a part of it. Respect ruled all.

It was Rupp building UK. It was Dean Smith building UNC. It was the simple & pure fact that both were players under Phog Allen & both were lifelong Jayhawks until taking over your programs. Even Rupp had a nudge up on Smith -- Rupp not only learned the game under Phog, he also learned the game under Naismith, an assistant coach at the time under Phog. And Rupp also spent much time with Naismith in his classes. So Kentucky's roots are that much more meaningful than UNC's in so many ways...

And then a little guy came in fresh from college to work as a grad assistant under our head coach, Ted Owens, a year before Larry Brown would take over & hire Little Jimmy on for a second year.

Little Jimmy Dickens' name was John Calipari. The sharpest dressed boot wearing east coaster Allen Fieldhouse has ever seen. When boots nearly broke his back on the fieldhouse floor, he sported penny loafers with the best of 'em.

This is where he met his wife, a Jayhawk herself, working in the ticket office.

Right here in Allen Fieldhouse.

Ironic really.

Again, no disrespect to you guys. But let's stay away from labels of best ever or better university.

I think nationally that's what has made your fanbase look so idiotic. 75% of your fans, god bless them, are three-toothed fat dumpy sloths with chronic halitosis infused with a musty smell of three day old mouth marinated bourbon, who didn't graduate high school, but still like to throw the "krap" around the "bern" because they like to "brig" about all the stuff they "new" about Kentucky's 7 national championships & "by Jeesis, the forst tree coant!"

Joe Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

Where are you ranked in academics? What's your team's GPA? There's more to bball programs than championships and banners. If I remember correctly your own AD and coach was concerned about the bball program's overall academic performance. You ranked last among tournament teams my misguided friend.

I guess the truth does hurt. This is a fact you fail to discuss much in Kensucky.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

That was Brandon Knight boosting it up. He's a smart respectful kid. Good job Brandon.

You know Calipari's team's history of GPA's right? It's not pretty.

Looking it up his first UK team had a 1.83. Wonder what Eric Bledsoe's was...

Anyhow it again was ironic. Just read the article & Calipari was ticked off that UK would leak it to your local press.

Then, the following year, still ticked the local press reported his 1.83 & wouldn't cover it up like the Memphis press would, he has Brandon Knight (a certified genius), & he "quickly reports the team" on his own personal website. Was that so your local paper couldn't "outscoop him." What is this guy's deal? Was he teased on the playground?

Why can't Calipari just play along & let reporters do their job?

Why does everyone have to be against him in his own mind?

Has he done something wrong?

Joe Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

I can see how this report would be huge for uk to have two semesters of apparent academic achievements. I believe right before your F4 season, you were in danger of dropping below the standard or minimum score. You decided to change that during your F4 season. Cal, AD and all your academic staff came together with the players and delivered a 3.0 GPA team average.

How impressive. Which 9 guys delivered a 3.0 or better and what were their majors? Also, interesting how you threw in "not only attended class" claim too. Apparently you had GPA and class attendance issues up to this great change or miracle.

Good job and I'm proud of you folks at uk. It just goes to show when you allow Cal to do his job, it's amazing how things happen.

One last question uk- How many on your men's bball team were Academic All Americans or even better fact how many of your starting stars were Academic All Americans in the last two years?

Benjamin Piehler 6 years, 2 months ago

KU has put out more drafts than any other school since 08" I believe.... any other questions?

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 2 months ago

Here's the real deal. Calislimy will get you into the Elite Eight every year with 18 year old kids who just aren't experienced enough to win it all, and in a few years, after another JC scandal, he'll be down the road at another "school." You know where you'll be. Truth does hurt.

6 years, 2 months ago

Kentucky..The NCAA D1 basketball's all-time most corrupt and racist program. Truth hurts!

pizzaboy225 6 years, 2 months ago

The University of Kansas I know it's a petty correction, but Mr. Bedore has used Kansas University multiple times on a website dedicated to the school's sports. Get it right, it's getting old

crocman1 6 years, 2 months ago

The choice is a no brainer UK is a better school better coach and he will go higher in the draft because of the Kentucky brand.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Well, I guess now we're creating additional fake usernames to support your idiocy.

Pathetic and completely transparent. I can only imagine the mental process you went through to believe that no one would notice when a random user, who coincidentally joined today and proceeded to post a comment that was BARELY a paraphrase of a comment you previously made.

Something to keep in mind for next time: KU fans aren't as gullible as UK fans. Just because you've seen your fellow Wildcats be tricked by similar antics doesn't mean it will work here.

Exhibit A (Re: the gullibility of UK fans): Calipari's entire tenure at UK. Wildcat fans have bought his can of hair grease hook, line and sinker. If you think about it, Cal has landed the perfect job for someone like him. He has the cache of a major basketball program like Kentucky--he'll pull the kind of recruits that will mask his inadequacy as a basketball coach. He has an army of "no questions asked" lemmings to come to his every defense, about even things that UK fans would have chastised other fans for condoning not 3 years ago.

100 6 years, 2 months ago


"By Jeesis, the forst tree coant!"

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Thank you for providing an example of the Cal-speak that seems to drip out of most Kentucky fans' mouths these days. I especially love the "envy of college basketball" comment. No one is jealous of you.

Truth be told, most of us (at least those of us who are fans of other blue-blood basketball programs like Kentucky) feel sorry for you. An institution with such history and pride was so desperate to re-kindle its former glory that it resorted to the only coach in NCAA history to have two different Final Fours vacated from his record.

As far as insecurities go--one of us is spending his time commenting on the OTHER's school basketball website...'s a hint: it's not me.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Oops! Double post.

How embarrassing. Guess that Kentucky edumacation doesn't go as far as it used to....

100 6 years, 2 months ago

It also might be interesting for you to look up the history of the allegation. First off all a recruit's grandma died. A KU coach paid for his flight to the funeral according to the NCAA.

Take a look at where the recruit eventually went to school. Little Jimmy Dickens, though gone from Kansas at this point in time, & years from being hired at Memphis State, already had some interesting connections going on at Memphis State. One man in particular who wanted Calipari on the coaching staff real bad at Memphis, was already part of that program. I can guarantee it wasn't because his wife stocked the best sandwich meat in the fridge.

Take a look at what the eventual biggest supporter of Little Jimmy would say about Calipari's role in gaining his connection to the Memphis basketball program....

It all happened during this time. Yes, Little Jimmy did learn some great things at KU in the Phog especially under Larry Brown.

But this is also where it all began for Cal, meeting a man by the name of Wes Anderson, a shoe salesman on the east coast who was dying to make connections to future NBA stars... This is where Cal would take his first sip from Darth Vader's recruiting goblet... This is where Cal would first lick Voldemort's bloody wrist... This is where a grinning Cal would first lick pig fecal matter from the sweaty sandals of the mayor of Rome.... This is where Cal would even consider becoming acquainted with anyone that would eventually build Memphis State's program back up... This moment would be his first of many dips into the guantlet, where he would figure out that the new age of college basketball was marketing in some sense... With the best under the table managers (or by having recruits & clients & managers & players over to your house at the same time for lunch), oh yes, things could happen...

Do you really believe that Calipari had no idea of what was going on with Camby at UMass?

Take a look at articles Calipari participated in regarding Calipari's "way" from his time at Memphis. Take note about what his wife has to say about the college age kids basically living in their family home.... That's where you get a true idea of what Calipari was really doing in his rise to the top of the recruiting game.... UK should feel very blessed for the risks that he took at Memphis during this rise... Because he risked the woman he loved, his reputation, his integrity & life itself. He drank from the Devil's goblet & got away with it. Somehow his family stayed together.... And look who benefits from it...


Calipari is the master of allowing his own players to hang out at his house anytime they want. "Oops I forgot my best friends, who happen to be NBA agents happen to be here too!! I better go for a jog. Go ahead & help yourself to the fridge boys, I used to be an NBA coach, it's OK, that's why my wife stocks the fridge!"

Did you really think his Memphis teams were clean while you guys went to the NIT with Gillespie?

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Wow you're seriously talking about graduation cards from Roy to his graduates!

Seriously $20 cash per graduation card from Roy if a kid graduated from a highly respected AAU accredited university!


I wish we could have UK fans come here every day!

Oh & the 1988 recruiting...

Our assistant coach paid for a kid to fly to his grandma's funeral!

The kid eventually signed with Memphis!

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Actually, he was already signed with Memphis.

He was a potential transfer, and ended up staying at Memphis.

Vincent Askew.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Thank you marchphog88!!

I really enjoy this site and have a lot of fun on here. I learn things and enjoy the "banter".

BUT - for the life of me I can't figure out why people from other schools want to come on here and act stupid.

I have never gone to another school's site, other than to check a schedule or something like that.

I can assure you I've never made a comment on another site, because - well - I just don't much care what any of them have to say.

I'm a KU fan. The others are irrelevant.

orbiter 6 years, 2 months ago

"The choice is a no brainer UK is a better school better coach and he will go higher in the draft because of the Kentucky brand."

Is your claiming to have the better coach when in the biggest game of his career he lost to the coach you are claiming he is better than caused by you being the product of your mother's lust for your older brother, or just a traditional Kentucky wedding (brother and sister).

orbiter 6 years, 2 months ago

Aping Jeff Foxworthy from 15years ago is not really a sign of wit. But I'm sure it's hard for you to develop clear thoughts when your mom is prancing around your bedroom in a Confederate Flag bikini.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Are these supposed to be insults?

Because to me they say:

1) Our weather goes through wild fluctuations. How embarrassing. Or not.

2) People wear hats in the sun in Kansas. I guess that would be weird if people in Kentucky wear hoods most of the time. (Get it?)

3) We all know that parkas are only to be worn with pants. In Kentucky, they call that a tuxedo.

4) Bars and churches being equal--I have a sneaking suspicion that, not only does this apply to every other state in the Midwest, but quite a few in the South as well. Pot, I'd like you to meet my associate, Mr. Kettle--it seems you two are already on speaking terms.

5) I guess the phone convo thing is a small-town joke. Must be weird when you are all still using tin cans and string... harder to have lengthy conversations with anyone on those.

6) Vacation can mean that, especially if all you have is a weekend. People in Kansas get just as much vacay time as anyone else--longer times allow for longer trips. Side note: I do find it amusing that I-70 veers north (most likely to avoid Kentucky) before jogging back southward to hit Baltimore.

7) Kansans measure distance in time...? Another small population state joke, right? This one is such a mundane "insult" that I don't have a counter.

8) Just so we're clear, 1 in 204 people hit a deer while driving in Kansas. 1 in 199 people hit a deer while driving in Kentucky. Do the math (I know, I'm asking a lot) and you will see that you are more likely to hit a deer in Kentucky than in Kansas, albeit fractionally.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Please, for all our sakes. Put the shovel down.

Your hole is already deep enough.

Benjamin Piehler 6 years, 2 months ago

You realize that most KU fans are made fun of by the K-State fans for being city-slickers.... right?

Joseph Kuebel 6 years, 2 months ago

Lolll Weren't you a slave state?? Good try! A person from Kentucky TRYing to make KU look more hick than Kentucky!!!!!


COJayhawker 6 years, 2 months ago

+100 was for Orbiter, not the Kan'tucky fan that is creeping around here.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Use some punctuation crocman1. Should read as follows:

The choice is a no brainer UK.
Is a better school? Better coach?

the rest is just jumbled up garbage that no intelligent human being could decipher.

Jeff Kilgore 6 years, 2 months ago

Slow down, Egghead! He's from Kentucky! You're trying to teach what must be high school English in Kentucky. Sentence completeness is a third grade level competency on the national core curriculum standards.

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

I assume "Egghead" is a term of endearment?

6 years, 2 months ago

Are Kensucky trolls really lecturing Kansas about 'dirty' programs?? No school in DI has ever come close to matching Kensucky's record of point shaving, game dumping, paid players, gambling, bribery and racism.

In each decade since the 1940’s, UK has been involved in at least one scandal of major proportions.

UK is a friggen joke and made a mockery of the game through out the 40's, 50's and 60's.

Cal will get caught AGAIN. Just a matter of time.

6 years, 2 months ago

Okay full of must be true if you say so.

COJayhawker 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't think Perry is coming to Kansas. Used-Car Cal is a phenomenal recruiter with 3 straight years of #1 recruiting classes and is is just coincidental that the week after he meets with the Ellis family that Perry decides he's ready to make a decision? I'm not omniscience and don't know his true intentions, but I really do think he'll be putting on ballcap with a K and a U, but in the wrong order.

To some previous posters, this isn't an inferiority complex, nor doomsday, and no I won't get off it. It's a reality check that our recruiting while usually pretty good, could be much, much better. Time to step back and evaluate why we're not getting these guys. As in any business, you can truly believe your product is the best, but if the raw data tells you that you're falling behind, you need to correct it. I love KU and believe HCBS is the man on point and should be for as long as we can have him. I do think we can do things better, so lets start tearing down our blinders and figure out how.

Conference alignment: The Big XII is dead; if not this year, then next. At best it stays alive as a shell of itself with a bunch of small market schools.

PAC 12 - Bad TV times, doesn't help recruiting at all. West Coast douchebaggery tainting our hallowed Field House with their presence during home games. I just cannot stand anything Cali.

Big East - Just lost two teams, could be just as vulnerable as the Big XII

ACC - Geographically pretty weird, but adding KU to UNC and Duke would make us the undisputed heavyweight conference in terms of basketball. If Texas joined us, it would help the ACC with football revenue and give both Kansas & Texas more exposure in SEC country for both football and basketball recruiting.

Some have taken shots at KU leadership in regards to the realignment. I don't think they're being complacent or head-in-the-sand, but I would like an aggressive move. Stop gathering info and playing as many sides as you can trying to not sink. Make a BOLD move and dictate your own future. I've heard the regents would like to keep KSU and KU together wherever we go. KSU doesn't care what happens to us, so we should really be looking out for ourselves.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

I must admit to having the same reservations, given the timing of the announcement and the in-home visit from Calipari.

Regarding "doing things better", my fear and suspicion is that the reason we have been left out in the cold recently (Xavier and Josh notwithstanding) is because Self refuses to get into the payola game. And that's something that I don't want to change.

I'd prefer struggling to get the cream of the crop, but doing it on the up and up 101 times out of 100 over getting #1 recruiting class after recruiting class, but having to do it in a shady way.

Lastly--the only problem with bold moves is that they are also risky moves. A bold move can get you places, but they aren't always the places you want to be. In other words, doing something boldly is high risk, high reward.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 2 months ago

I predict that Perry will pick Kentucky. I predict that Kaleb will pick Arizona. I predict Bill Self will be gone before the next presidential election. I predict Calipari will win the next four NCAA titles. I predict football will be declared a non-revenue sport at Kansas. I predict that on Friday, Sept. 23, 2011 @1:35 pm monkeys will fly out of my butt.

So much for predictions!!

kupride4u 6 years, 2 months ago

I'm seeing everyone assume it's KU or Kentucky, what about Wichita State?

It may seem funny to think he'd go there but it is hometown and his high school teammate, Wessel (might be spelled wrong), is there. I don't know if either of those would factor into his decision, but I don't think WSU is out of it. I'd say the only one of the 4 not likely to get him is KSU.

KUfoReal 6 years, 2 months ago

Wow, for as much a fan as I am of KU I'm not this delusional. Kentucky is kind of the big dog in the yard in terms of recruiting nationally. They have a ton to offer any recruit that wants to go there. . . moreso than us in some respects. Yet, people are brushing them off and thinking the only thing they may have over us is conference stability?? There's a reason why they keep getting the #1 classes every year. When they keep pumping top 5 picks into the draft year after year that's scary. We had Selby, who was considered more talented than Brandon Knight (based on the recruiting services) yet you see where Selby went in the draft vs. Knight. We should be worried.

The one clear cut advantage the 'hawks have is proximity.

Joel Hood 6 years, 2 months ago

Actually, KSU leadership dearly cares about what happens to KU. Their fortunes are greatly dependent upon the KU apron strings. Don't kid yourselves kitty fans...

BGL and SZ are no dummies. Just because they don't take the Chicken Little approach many of you would like, doesn't mean they aren't ready for change. KU has too much to offer both academically and athletically to be left out of a major conference.

Andy Hess 6 years, 2 months ago

Not worried at all. People who actually know things are confident he's KU bound.

Dan Cook 6 years, 2 months ago

Man, there are alot of downers on this board. The conference realignment game is not a deathbead in the recruitment of Perry Ellis. This notion that KU will never be seen from again is crazy -- in basketball. Kansas has been there forever with Perry. He and mom hosted their in-homes, now it's time for him to decide. I fully expect Perry Ellis to be a Jayhawk. We need him, we want him, we love his mother. Perry is a bright young man. Education is important. He's not looking to leave after 1 or even 2 years of college.

I'm not going to sit here and take shots at UK, but I will defend KU. The Jayhawks have tons of NBA guys. Just because not all of them leave after one year doesn't mean KU doesn't produce. KU is the better university academically. KU is closer to home. KU will do a better job with Perry on the court than will UK.

Good luck Perry. I hope to see you Saturday in Lawrence, KS for the Legends game. A game you will play in some day!

KUfoReal 6 years, 2 months ago

I remember when we were in the recruiting battle for Josh Selby and Rivals talked about Brandon Knight(UK) being a ridiculously smart kid too. 4.0 average and all that. That didn't stop him from going to the NBA.

Unless you're a part of Perry's family the bottom line is you don't know his plans for the future. Bottom line is this, UK is a basketball factory (regardless of opinions of Calipari). The national perception of them is that if you're a blue-chipper and want a virtual guarantee to go in the lottery the next year you go to UK. That's the perception, and in many cases the reality.

People are going way overboard worrying about conference realignment in terms of basketball. Kansas will continue being Kansas. I don't think this has any kind of factor in Perry's decision.

I'll call it now though, I think UK has a slight edge, but I'm far from ruling out him committing to us.

lothario64118 6 years, 2 months ago

As a KU alum, If I were Perry I'd pick Kentucky over Kansas. Most likely he's going to play right away as opposed to getting benched for not making Self happy. Let's face it people, top talent isn't sticking around until senior year. The school, coach,team is lucky if they get to the junior season. Worst case scenario is he spends 2 seasons at UK and goes pro.

As for Kansas, the cupboard is getting very thin on big men. Unless memory serves me wrong, how many does KU have for 2012 season? Self should have at least 4 guys...4 legit players. Not walk ons or schollie players that are virtually benchers.

Just like in in a courtroom, the jurors tend to remember the closing arguments of the last lawyer to give them. Calipari played it smart, again. I hope Self lands him, but I don't see it. Play the freshman alot more and those players will learn from their mistakes. You can't learn too much by just watching most of the time. Ask Elijah.

bad_dog 6 years, 2 months ago

What jurors remember and what persuades them can be two completely different issues. They can remember they didn't like one of the parties. They can remember they didn't like one of the lawyers. They can remember they didn't find one of the fact or expert witnesses to be credible.

Stating that the last lawyer to speak is most likely to be the most remembered & thus inferring he/she is the most persuasive is incredibly simplistic and incorrect.

Benjamin Piehler 6 years, 2 months ago

... and we'll be here when they take down yet another Calapari Final 4 Flag and put it into storage.

gchawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Kentucky's heritage in basketball was started largely because of one man, Adolf Rupp, 'nuff said.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Not largely. Without Rupp the Jayhawk, UK basketball would be akin to Alabama basketball. Rupp ran that show from 1930 to the early 70's.

Before 1930 they had zero basketball tradition. Rupp really was an amazing coach. Don't know if you ever saw what he did, but much of it came from Phog's strategies. Beautiful cutting basketball. Players completely intense. At times they looked like the globetrotters with this weave near the free throw line they'd run.

Don't know if you ever met him, but as he got older, he became one scary man, even to his neighbors.

As a younger man, he had more of a sense of humor like many.

But he grew stubborn in his old age. His UK team's were run like the military. But it was great basketball.

I always thought it was great that Phog & Rupp started the UK-KU series. Talk about some beautiful basketball for the times!

gchawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Thanks for the additional insight, sure appreciate it.

newmedia 6 years, 2 months ago

Have to think positive about Perry and wish him the best whatever his decision. After all we are not talking about football!

lee3022 6 years, 2 months ago

I am appreciative that Perry and his family are considering KU as a finalist for his choice of education in the coming years. KU has no reason to fear consideration alongside any other school.

KU is loaded with recent success, having won more games over the past two years than any other school.

KU is excellent in preparing players for the NBA, with more draft picks and more lottery picks than any other school over the past five years.

KU is fun, with the team showing commitment to each other and to winning ahead of personal success.

KU is home. No matter which conference we settle we will be in a BCS or super conference with intense competition and loads of publicity. Kansans for Kansas.

KU is tradition far ahead of any other. Allen Field House is annually voted the most venerable and famous college arena in the country. From James Naismith and Phog Allen to Larry Brown, Roy Williams and Bill Self the legend grows each year.

Tad Shurtz 6 years, 2 months ago

I interrupt this regularly scheduled wrist-slitting session to bring you a prediction of which I feel very confident: Perry attends the Legends game this weekend as a newly committed Jayhawk.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Talk about a good way as a high school senior to meet & hang out with guys who have NBA championship rings!

Maybe even get "more" applause than two or three future NBA hall of Famers...

I wonder if the Legends of the Phog game is being shown in Wichita....

How cool would that be for him to return to his high school after that welcoming from his new university's basketball fans?


LAJayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Did he visit Lexington? I know Calipari paid a house visit this weekend, but has Perry gone to Kentucky? I can't imagine he would commit to them without a visit (apologize for my ignorance, but I've been too busy to closely follow recruiting this year). Total speculation, but I kind of feel like Calipari heard he wanted to commit to KU and wanted to make one last pitch to him in his house before he did.

Of course, I really just want some good news for KU, so maybe I'm wearing my crimson and blue filtered contacts.....

Benjamin Piehler 6 years, 2 months ago

Don't need to visit to receive a brown envelope full of cash.

Tad Shurtz 6 years, 2 months ago

Total insult to the Ellis family. Wherever Perry chooses, it'll be for basketball reasons only.

DRsmith 6 years, 2 months ago

I think he has visited. As far as the in homes go, it is up to the recruit when they come to his home. Calipari has been on Ellis for a while now, before his UK days in fact. With that said, I really think he ends up at KU. Obviously UK wants him but they are also after more talented players. We will see Weds.

Displayhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

One thing nobody has mentioned that just might be KU's "Ace in the hole", is that we have Danny Manning as an assistant coach, a former NBA all-star that can teach Mr. Ellis everything he needs to know about playing at a pro level, and also a thing or two about winning national championships. I believe the Morris twins called him "The best coach in the world". (or something to that effect.) Since I don't really care, and don't have the time to follow any other program, does Kentucky have anyone with similar credentials as Danny???

Tad Shurtz 6 years, 2 months ago

Think about the timing of Ellis' announcement. A few days before the Legends game? It's too perfect.

Kid is ours.

DRsmith 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't think KU was ever a real player for Goodwin.

Benjamin Piehler 6 years, 2 months ago

I certainly hope you have better things to do than sit on your computer and bother other team's fans... seriously grow up.

KUfoReal 6 years, 2 months ago

Says the guy taking shots like "Brown envelope of cash" and "taking down another of Calipari's banners." The UK fan has been pretty respectful. Get over that he's here already rather than creating a bunch of drama that no one needs.

79ictjhawk 6 years, 2 months ago

That looks like a KSuck kitty pouncing on your "UK"!

jaymar74 6 years, 2 months ago

KU will be in a conference with MU, KState, Baylor, Louisville, Memphis, Cin, and others - a very solid basketball conference. Ellis is a Jayhawk. Done.

Gil Ek 6 years, 2 months ago

I certainly hope cooler heads prevail today and the Big 12 adds a couple teams and becomes an even better basketball conference. Adding a Louisville, Memphis, Cincy, could raise the bar. Wouldn't bother me to loose a couple Texas schools and diversify etc...The logical choice if the Big 12 implodes is going to the BIG 10 for geographic reasons. Playing Iowa, Mich. MSU, OSU etc would be an awesome conference. Mr. Perry Ellis, things are going to be fine with KU, even better after things shake out and you will be something special at KU. See you at the Legends game and can't wait to hear the reception we give you! Rock Chalk!!!

TXBBall55 6 years, 2 months ago

WSU? The worst posible scenario for KU is still 100x better the MVC.

Hammertoe 6 years, 2 months ago

Only at KU is the news on a basketball recruit even "newsworthy" during football season..... When you treat a handful of athletes like rock stars, and wonder why football players do not want to attend a "basketball school"....look no further. If an SEC school or OU or Texas gave up 700 yards of offense, the fans would be rioting in the street....

TXBBall55 6 years, 2 months ago

They would be rioting in the street because they're too stupid to type. Isn't the average IQ of an SEC fan around 72?

Jack Wilson 6 years, 2 months ago

Come on guys, who cares about Ellis? Give me another Anderson or Traylor. Guys that coach Self can coach up. Guys that really want to be here. Guys like that helped Butler to the final four.

I'm sorry about that .. still funny to me.

NE_Demon 6 years, 2 months ago

Heard thru the Grapevine that he is choosing WSU.

bigblackjeff 6 years, 2 months ago

I hope we get this one, we have lost a lot of recruits of late.

Lance Hobson 6 years, 2 months ago

It's clear Cal came in and knocked his socks off. That's what he does. He probably had a strong pitch even before the conference blow up became a major trump card for him. Perry's going to UK, and Wednesday will be a sad day in the state of Kansas in more ways than one.

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

how is this clear? His mother clearly stated that he would decide when all 4 of his in-homes are complete. They are complete. He has a decision. How is Kentucky any further ahead than Kansas? I personally know he's been on KU's campus at least 3 times last semester. He's been to countless games at KU. KU coaches have been to countless games of his. Obviously he is extremely impressed and interested in KU.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

You might be right.

You might be wrong.

But I'll tell you one thing I would never sign with a coach who just took 3rd place in the Pan Am games ( he needed 2nd) & won't be honest with recruits as to if he will coach the Dominican Republic next year or not.

We've all seen his style. We know he won't be available for his UK players next summer. He'll undoubtedly be coaching the Dominican Republic with a fierce intensity. And if they do well enough next summer they'll qualify for the Olympics the following summer. Which will eat up another full summer.

He will be a complete emotional wreck for the next 2 years. He can mask it any way he chooses. It would be different if this was a USA team.

But it's not. His attention will be away from UK basketball a great deal over the next 2 years.

Calipari isn't some "amazing" coach.

He's just a guy who has figured out how to get blue chip players on the same court, at times looking very good together, at times looking very greedy & ugly.

He will snap. The man holds a lot of secrets deep inside. And he is bound to explode, unfortunately it will be on his players. Hopefully not anyone else.

Another thing... If its about "who he surrounds himself with", Calipari doesn't have access to a single NBA champion. Not a single NBA finals MVP.

Coach Self hasn't only coached an NBA champion, Perry himself (if he chooses) along with coach Self will have access to players with NBA championship rings. In the next few days.... Even a couple with NBA Finals MVP trophies.

He can't get that at UK. Besides SAT Rose, Cal tends to get his top 5 recruiting class players into the league. That's about where it stops. No championships. No rings. And sometimes for Cal, "league" means "the D league"....

Woody Cragg 6 years, 2 months ago

Amen brother, the ring count will always be ZEEEEEROOOOO!

Jeremy Bolinger 6 years, 2 months ago

I agree with everything said here. Bravo. There are a certain way things should be done. They should be done with class, and dignity. Self is as classy as it gets. If Perry wants to go to the NBA after a year, he is the right guy for Cal. If Perry wants to develope and win championships, Kansas is the place.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Oh & if Calipari told Perry & his family something about "the great education" at Kentucky...

I have one question...

Define "great", please Mr. Calipari....

Kentucky is practically a Junior College!!!!

(Which makes Calipari's team's 1.83 his first year at Kentucky even more comical, a 1.83 at Kentucky, are you kidding me?)

What kind of lies did you tell Perry's mom, Mr. Calipari?

"Mr. Calipari, could you please tell me again about the freshman coursework at Kentucky?"

"Why yes, yes... Why just last year, we had a student-athlete at Kentucky, an --cough-cough-- SEC accredited school--cough-cough--, named Brandon Knight.. He got all A's.... Great school, great school... Well I better show myself to the door, I've got to wake up early tomorrow & help a Freshman Math teacher whose gonna be sick. Is Perry thinkin bout takin Math? Why, if he is, he should take her class. Oh she's great, Ms. Ellis! Lots of math goin on in there.. Lots o math!!!"

Chris Bailey 6 years, 2 months ago

Come to KU Perry! You will never regret and you will be part of the greatest program in the history of college basketball! Your family and friends will be able to come to all your home games and you can be one of the legends of the phog! Rock Chalk and good luck in your decision! Please don't pick UK that's my only request. There are big problems brewing there!

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago


One of the best posts on this thread, despite a super human effort by 100.

AZHawk72 6 years, 2 months ago

I'm sure that Perry knows that McGary and Bennett both list Kentucky as a finalist, both are power forwards ranked far above him, and the best he can hope for is second team there. He knows Kansas even better. He knows we're more in the running on a center or two and not in the hunt for any top tier power forward--except him. We need him and want him; Kentucky wants a recruit from Kansas for window dressing.

I'm disappointed that the football-driven freefall for the castoffs seemed to have washed upon the shores of basketball. Are you people nuts! Bye-bye, mediocrity in Texas, Tech, Okie St. and Boomers--and, Hello, Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Louisville, Tulsa, and maybe even a BYU and a West Virginia. Where's the drop off?

In that this whole mess is totally about the football powers dispersing to rule four super conferences and then, they hope, the semis, a final, and a true champion. No offense, but I don't see how this has anything to do with us anytime soon. No rap on the team as much as the facilities--you'll note that the UCLAs, Kentuckys, and a good number of other basketball powers give everything to the b-ball program first, while football waits for the leftovers.

I've convinced myselt that a "greatest hits" collection from the Big 12 leftovers and the best of the Big East, Mountain West, and Con USA will be great in basketball and more interesting in football--shoot for 16! Look forward to hearing from you, Perry!

6 years, 2 months ago

All I heard after 2011's disappointing class (maybe a lot better than thought but that needs to be proved) was that 2012 was the year.. Has Self lost his touch? Conference jitters? Too early to say? or is 2013 the year?

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

~The Big East lost Syrxcuse and sPlitt to the ACC. EweConn and DeVillanova are negotiating to enter the ACC. The Big East loses its attraction for KU, except as a desperation move.

~The ACC is at 14 teams with Syrxcuse and sPlitt. With 16 teams, its a 16 team, two division league with blanket east coast coverage from Boston to Miami locked up and no real need for a Midwestern time zone footprint. The ACC has no need for KU, KSU, and Missouri, or Texas, or OU for that matter. The ACC would have Texas, but only if Texas will split revenues equally. Not gonna happen. Interestingly, Maryland would consider jumping to the Big Ten if offered.

~SEC wanting Missouri now and Missouri wanting SEC right now. Missouri's head is with the Big Ten, but its heart is with the SEC. But Missouri has been snubbed so many times by the Big Ten one wonders what will come from this.

~Big Ten reported expanding to 16 teams. It needs 4 teams. It wants Notre Dame. It will consider KU, MU and ISU from B12 and Maryland. This looks like the best fit for KU, if Texas jumps. But where can Texas go? Only the Pac 10+N is considering accommodating their network.

~Texas and OU regents give UT and OU Presidents authority to bolt the B12 late this afternoon. The talk so far is UT and OU to Pac Ten +N.

~Texas and OU stay put. Big 12 survives.

6 years, 2 months ago

Rutgers is also looking at ACC:

I think the SEC wanting Mizzou is more myth than fact: "The chief spokesman for the Southeastern Conference flatly denies reports by multiple news organizations that Missouri has been made an offer to join the SEC" Of coarse this is subject to change and probably will..several times.

I know the SEC wants one more school but West Virginia is their primary target (at least in some rumor mills..facts are scarce at best).

The Big East has suddenly became 'Today's Special' on the menu and there are a few really good targets if the Big 12 (UT OU) decides to stay together ie Louisville. Its possible the Big East could be down to four or even three football schools by the time the weekend rolls around.

I personally think that its best for Kansas if the Big 12 survives AND brings in a minimum of 3 schools. A 9 team conference will remain a target for any other conference that is looking for expansion.

If and that's a big IF (imagine a larger font) the Big 12 survives, My top 3 targets would be Louisville, Memphis and Nevada.

I'm sure others will have different choices or totally disagree but we need a playoff game in football and most importantly..We become proactive instead of being targets. This wait and see crap makes us look weak (even if we are).

Time to do something..ANYTHING!

chriz 6 years, 2 months ago

Okay, first of all, I would suggest that we all respond to the trolls with boring, uninteresting responses (if we need respond at all). One-word responses like "Yeah," "Hmm," or "Interesting" are some good examples.

Secondly, Perry will be coming to KU. He's committing after Calipari's last in-home visit because...wait...Calipari was the last in-home visit. He has been a KU lean for quite a while now. This doesn't mean that our program is better than UK's. This DOES mean that the kid grew up in Wichita and watched a KU national championship just a few years ago as a high school freshman.

Also, Kansas basketball is going to be fine. So long as we're in a conference with other basketball powerhouses and we will be on TV, we have a great coach, and with a few exceptions, that's all these kids care about. Worst case scenario, we stay where we are in the Big XII with Texas, Baylor, and K-State as our biggest competitors. Next worst is a combination with the Big East, which would replace Texas's basketball competition with 3-4 top-25 teams. Or better.

Alohahawk 6 years, 2 months ago

I'm disappointed that so many on this board, today, have responded to the trolls visiting us. If I get the impression a contributor is a troll, I stop reading the post and immediately skip to the next poster's comments. And, boy, did I skip a lot of comments today!

Although it's hard to ignore trolls and their ignorance, with only a few exceptions, I've learned the best way to "stick it to trolls" is to completely ignore them and their stupidity. If you ignore something long enough, it will go away. Or do we want all these morons to continue downgrading our board. Sticks and stones, guys.

I don't walk into a redneck bar and shout that I hate rednecks. If I don't like something, I stay away from it. I don't go to other school's boards to heckle their constients. He**, I can't stand to be near them anymore then I have to, so why mingle with them and read their snide, immature comments on their own boards?

Jasonator 6 years, 2 months ago

No offense to u ku lovers but I think Ellis should go to ksu or wsu bc u can be a stud. Why would u want to sit on the bench for two yrs to play when I could go there, start with a great atmosphere and not have to worry about the "wine and cheese" crowd at ku. Look at what Beasley was able to do, drive between three ku defenders and still score. Enough said.

Woody Cragg 6 years, 2 months ago

...all the while tok'in on a big fat joint & singin' the spongebob fight song. If he's that stupid, he should go to misery & the confedarate flag will be too much comprehenison for him to be offended. Toungue in cheek LOL!

Pitthawk34 6 years, 2 months ago

This may have already been discussed but I find it interesting that he is choosing the 21st to announce his decision with the fieldhouse ready to rock on the 23rd.

AZHawk72 6 years, 2 months ago

Good memory cells, Mike, as after a limp-wristed effort in '11, many of us were guilty of "Oh well, at least next year's crop looks better, and we're in on more." Heck, Peters became so bored waiting for another recruit to join him, he took up football to keep his mind off recruiting issues. Of course, he boards better, but can no longer hit it when he shoots. A recruiting class with a hot center, power forward, and a shooting forward or guard, and we will return to the fast lane.

Craig Colgin 6 years, 2 months ago

I have always believed that Kansas Basketball is bigger than any 1 enitity. A coach, a player, you name it. But, now I ask, How much of a must get is Perry Ellis right now?


onelife09 6 years, 2 months ago

Perry is a good kid with his head on straight and he is good friends with Conner Frankamp who goes to Wichita North and is already committed to KU.....rumors have been floating around all week that he is leaning towards KU.....The only reason he entertained John calipari is because he recruited him at an early age and because perry's sister was a 4 year player at memphis when Coach Cal was there, so they have a good relationship

kcblackhawk19 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't believe that realignment will have much of a factor, if any at all, on Perry's decision. If the goal is to get to the NBA, scouts will identify a player no matter where you play. However, I can see where Kentucky's history of getting players selected in the top 10 could be an advantage. No doubt in my mind that the draft results of both Henry and Selby will not bode well for Kansas on the recruiting trail. Considering both were top 5 recruits by any standards, but were not selected as high as their rankings in the draft cannot be good.

Bill Self is a master at constructing an outstanding college basketball team. He gets NBA caliber talent and glue guys to mold well on the court. He knows how to get players to buy into a team concept and how to get them to sacrifice for the team. This hieghtens our chances to win it all. What it also does is scare off some top flight talent. Personally, I am fine with not having the top ranked recruiting class every year because it hasn't gotten Calipari to the level Self has been. On the flip side I am not surprised that some top recruits have passed over KU.

In this particular recruiting battle KU has a good chance of winning. Perry is not a one and done so UK is not as attractive (he could be buried behind higher ranked players for his whole stay at UK conceivably). He will be close to home, but far away enough to still grow up. Also, he will be at a good school. KU has a very good shot at landing Perry!

RockChalkGuy 6 years, 2 months ago

Calipari lies and cheats. Plain and simple.

funkitect 6 years, 2 months ago

whether it ultimately had/has an effect on ellis and goodwin's choices, i have a feeling that ku's seeming lack of direction in this conference realignment fiasco has several recruits backpedaling...

(hint, hint ku brass... get your excrement together!)

6 years, 2 months ago

Not sure 'funny' is the right word slayr...

RockChalk26 6 years, 2 months ago

Coach Calipari (a.k.a. UKALLDAY) is very active in the recruitment of Ellis. Posting on a Jayhawk forum is a new all time low for Slimy Calimari.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

"No Player Is a Must Get...CBernie and Zenger and the Vision Thing...And Four Games Driving Conference Realignment"

Regarding no player being a must get...

First, no player is a must get. No player has ever been a must get. No player ever will be a must get. Even Wilt Chamberlain was not a must get. Notice the outcome of the 1957 NCAA National Championship. But KU competed for Wilt and signed him and the KU basketball legacy has always been the better for it. But KU probably tried for Jabbar and Walton and Shaq and did not get them. Life goes on. He not busy being born is busy dying, as i like to quote from Bob Dylan.

Second, it follows that Perry Ellis cannot be a must get.

Third, Perry is a super prospect that Self is competing hard for to show he can keep the home boys home and because Perry is a piece of a team that Self always needs.

Fourth, competition for recruits implies winning and losing.

Fifth, Self wins 84% of his games on the hardwood.

Sixth, therefore, unless Self is just a fabulously superior coach to other coaches regarding Xs and Os and motivation (and I believe he is only about 20% better than other coaches, which while a lot cannot account for his 84% winning stat), then he has to be winning a lot of the recruiting battles and getting the kinds of players he needs to build teams with. This should be self-evident to board rats, but board rats get swept up in the moment and lose sight of the big picture.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

Regarding CBernie and the Vision Thing...

KU will overcome what ever it must regarding conference realignment and recruiting, if persons with the right stuff in the Chancellor's slot, the AD slot, and the head coaching slot, and the Alumni slot, are at their best when their best is needed...which it is now.

With Self, the head coaching slot is solid without question.

So, the questions are:

a) Does CBernie, a solid university administrator, have the kind of sports vision (the vision thing) required to lead KU through such athletic rapids (it is no knock on her, if she does not, for development of tax and grant bones and putting the right persons in the right roles are her main functions on her job description);

b) if CBernie lacks this sports vision, has she picked the right AD in Zenger to negotiate these rapids (this is part of her job--to pick the right AD for the circumstances and part of Zengers job to pull it off, if that was specifically what he was hired to do); and

c) if neither are up to the challenge on their own (Zenger's job is first to run an athletic department efficiently and only secondarily to know how to negotiate unprecedented rapids like this), are they getting the outside help they need?

The longer they are quiet and close to the vest, the longer there is no evidence that they are handling it well on their own, or retaining effective councel, and the more likely it seems they are standing pat and hoping the Big 12 falls back together, rather than falls apart. Alas, hoping isn't usually enough, when action is required.

It seems clear that they are betting the house on Texas being a no sale to anyone but the Pac 10+N because of the Texas network deal.

It also seems clear that they will tolerate OU moving to the Pac 10+N and limp along in a Big 8.

And I suppose it follows that they are betting that OU decides to stay put, also.

It seems a dubious bet on the surface, so far, anyway.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

Regarding the Four Games Driving Conference Realignment...

To the extent that Texas and Oklahoma are seriously considering the Pac 10+N, because of that conference's very recent super TV package, but inspite of the inferior TV time zone footprint of the west coast, then Texas and OU must be thinking not only bigger immediate monies from the Pac 10+N, but maybe also an imminent merger of the SEC and the Pac 10+N in say, a year, or two. Such a Super Sun Belt Conference, spanning 3 time zones on the southern tier of states and all of the west coast, would be super formidable in TV bargaining, and essentially not flank-able by any other conference.

Based on this scenario, the best long term strategy for the state of Texas is to send TAM into the SEC, keep Texas in a barely functioning B12 for a couple years, and send OU into the Pac 10+N; then begin using TAM, and Jerry Jones' UArk in the SEC and OU in the Pac 10+N as agents promoting a super merger of the SEC, the B12 and Pac 10+N. This would put Texas at the pivot point of an overwhelmingly powerful three time zone conference that would then be in position to begin dividing and conquering/coopting the ACC and Big Ten.

IMHO, it is the TV networks that are actually systematically orchestrating the break down of existing conferences. They are doing this to reduce the number of middle men, streamline scheduling and TV slotting, and down the road doing the preceding either marginalizes, or coopts the NCAA, thereby reducing the NCAA's ability to obstruct and take tolls for obstructing. TV execs, we can be reasonably sure, have little interest in preserving amateurism, or recruiting ethics, or academic standards, except in so far as they help superficially differentiate pro and college advertiser markets. Hence, TV networks need the NCAA only as window dressing, and likely want it as neutered as possible.

Now let's digress briefly on the ACC before getting back to Texas and its likely grand plan.

The ACC is clearly readying an East Coast only strategy, that could at a later date be leveraged into a merger with a Big Ten conference--a path that would in the short and mid term likely preserve both the Big Ten and ACC from the anathema of having to ally with the 800 pound political economic gorilla of the state of Texas, and of UT-Austin's insistence on asymmetric revenue sharing.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

So the ACC, though Texas has expressed interest in coopting it, is not a likely alliance for Texas.

Nor is the ACC seeming much of a fit for KU, even though both have strong basketball and weak football in common. The ACC just is not showing signs of straddling time zones. It is rather expanding (Syracuse, Pitt, likely UConn and Nova) and so defending its eastern time zone dominance. KU does not fit that strategy, unless there are some deep underlying oligarchy connections that would enable KU's anomalous inclusion in the ACC. Probably not.

So let's back to Tayhoss and its oilagarchic, oft-Machiavellian realignment tendencies, shall we?

If Texas were to succeed in merging the SEC and Pac 10+N down the road shortly with the remnants of the Big 12, then we are set for an interesting show down between the powers of television and the powers of the Texas oligarchy, aren't we?

I mean who is more powerful in America? The networks owned by the owners of the central banks? Or the oil-agarchy largely owned by the central bank owners, that crucially finances the oilcos it does not own?

Hmmmm. Maybe a show down is not quite the right word after all. Maybe a convergence would be more fitting diction. :-)

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

Note: let me insert here that I am using the term ownership in a loose and "effective" sense here. I do not know the specific breakdowns of ownership shares in the Federal Reserve lately (or more particularly the corporate by laws that might grant more decisive influence to, say, the NY branch, or what have you, through one committee, or another), or in the six or so major media holding companies in the reputed media oligopoly. I am just making a wild hypothetical guess that it is possible that those with "effective" ownership interests in the Federal Reserve, especially its New York Branch, also have crucially influential ownership shares in at least some of the media holding companies that constitute today's reputed media oligopoly (either directly or through holding companies or foundations). Similarly, it is reputed that effective ownership of the Federal Reserve overlaps significantly with "effective" ownership and/or control of some of the major players in the Anglo-American oil refiners oligopoly.

But again, let me make clear, that I have no insider knowledge of either Central Banking, or the oil refiners oligopoly, and I am opining based only on what I have occasionally noticed (the Fed doesn't appear to talk much in the main stream media about who owns it and who has effective controlling interest in it) as being reputed about these organizations.

Maybe no one group effectively owns, or controls, either the Federal Reserve, or the Anglo-American oil refiners' oligopoly, or the major media holding companies. Maybe there is no effective ownership/control group today in Central Banking, and oil company ownership, as there has reputedly been in the past. Maybe effective ownership and control of the Federal Reserve and the Anglo AMerican oil refiners oligopoly drifted one hundred eighty degrees opposite of other producer market sectors where drift toward concentration of ownership and control has been the tendency. Maybe effective ownership and control of the Federal Reserve and the Anglo-American oil refiners oligopoly have actually deconcentrated. Maybe no one is responsible for the bail out monies that resist tracking, and so on. I don't know. I'm just a board rat looking forward to basketball season.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

Regarding the Infrastructure Game...

As I have indicated in the past, there seems an underlying political economic infrastructure dimension to all of this realignment activity.

To recount, major state niversities tend to rank among the biggest economic entities in many states, wield considerable political influence in all states, and are the educational equivalents of military bases in terms of pork barreling and alliance building at the Federal level.

So: binding major universities into an athletic alliance of revenue interdependence tends to help insure the governors, senators, and congress persons of conference states can be counted on to vote in blocks on key infrastructure issues held in common in those states.

Regarding Infrastructure Identities of Conferences...

The Big 12 is now crucially an oil, wheat, beef, wheat subsidy, super corridor voting block conference. The Super Corridor, if understood as an umbrella for all of these interests, would be a good new name for the conference. Its constituent governors, senators and congress persons probably often have a tendency to vote in a block on these Super Corridor related issues.

The Pac 10+N is essentially an alliance of states with irrigation and power generation infrastructures needing to cooperate and minimize conflict. The Colorado River basin, the California canal systems, and the Central Arizona Project canal system, along with various hydro dam power authorities in the west, are an interrelated infrastructure system which is seeking more regional cooperation and less conflict among players, so they can create a larger, more dependable block of governors, senators, and congressmen voting to preserve or expand the status quo of these infrastructures, or take that status quo to a mutually beneficial new level. Joining the major universities in the region into a "conference" with interrelated revenues is yet another step in binding these states into a solid voting block.

Colorado entering the Pac 10+N was a foregone conclusion in this sense.

Texas and Oklahoma entering are not.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

But Texas and Oklahoma being offered entry means the western states' power and water authorities believe their voting block could be dramatically strengthened by the addition of Texas' and Oklahoma's governors, senators and congressmen to the western voting block.

Likewise, Texas and Oklahoma considering joining the Pac 10+N means they think their oil and electricity interests could be more effectively pursued in that alliance.

KU would seem to be appealing to the Pac 10+N for similar reasons, but for some reason not as much and KU and Kansas seem to resist this path. This is probably happening because KU and Kansas have some oligarchy IOUs to oligarchs with interests not in line with those in the western states. Put another way, KU and Kansas are permitted to ally with Texas and OU in a Super Corridor alliance, but not in a western water and energy alliance if avoidable.

The Big Ten, in contrast, is an upper industrial states/cornbelt/Mississippi and Ohio River system infrastructure alliance of states and universities.

Significantly, the Big Ten states are largely responsible for stopping the Super Corridor south of Kansas City. It was originally intended to proceed north to Winnipeg, and/or north east to the great lakes. in this regard, Nebraska was a natural to join the Big Ten, because including Nebraska in the Big Ten alliance of states helped stop the Super Corridor from being rerouted west of the I35 corridor being stopped by Minnesota and part of Iowa.

Including Nebraska in the Big Ten states' alliance also created a serious stumbling block/toll booth in the path of the tar sands pipe line being punched south from Canada to Texas. As an aside, one might speculate that the tar sands pipeline might be a counter move/retaliation for the blocking of the Super Corridor by the Big Ten state alliance. If the Texans can't get a continent splitting right of way by extending the Super Corridor north, perhaps they can accomplish a similar end by stemming a tar sands pipeline south to dove tail with the Super Corridor somewhere along the line. :-)

The SEC and ACC conferences and corresponding states have their own critical infrastructure alliance and voting block functions, which I will not belabor at this point.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

The point is there are several games on several levels that are going on here and shaping realignment outcomes. They include:

1) schools seeking conferences that maximize TV revenues;

2) schools seeking conference ties that either preserve or enhance their states voting alliance power regarding infrastructure issues (think of this as the vast hidden part of the ice berg that we are watching pass before us);

3) TV networks trying to realign conferences to reduce network transaction costs long term and increase network revenues by remolding conferences more closely along maximized advertiser markets (and incentivizing this change by offering bigger cuts to schools and conferences that realign as the networks seek); and

4) an attempt to marginalize the NCAA and its capacity to interfere with programming goals, and so charge tolls of its own for acquiecing.

As I read posts by board rats, the only game that seems clearly understood is the first one--the schools pursuit of conference affiliations that maximize televised football revenues.

But games 2, 3 and 4 are in process also.

And I suspect that Game 2 related to regional voting block alliances on infrastructure issues may significantly explain why some states and their schools get included in and others get included out. :-)

The political economics make just as strange of bedfellows in sport, as in state alliances in Central Asia, West Africa, North Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, and Central and South America.

In fact, if you think of America, especially its heartland, in a way similar to the way one thinks of infrastructure dynamics driving the political economics of these other parts of the world, one is quite apt to get closer to the reality of what is playing out in most realms of America and our economy, not just sports, or basketball.

Rock Chalk!

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

Note: all of the above is opining and speculation arrived at by watching from afar, and without insider information. What is actually going on may differ significantly and substantially from remarks made. But I tried to take a whack at making sense of this stuff in a way that incorporated more of the possibly related players and systems than most analysis tends to mention, at least explicitly.

yates33333 6 years, 2 months ago

Holy Moley, jaybate. Can't you supply an executive summary for your longer posts. By the time I get to the end I've forgotten what you said at the start.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

The point is there are several games on several levels that are going on here and shaping realignment outcomes. They include:

1) schools seeking conferences that maximize TV revenues;

2) schools seeking conference ties that either preserve or enhance their states voting alliance power regarding infrastructure issues (think of this as the vast hidden part of the ice berg that we are watching pass before us);

3) TV networks trying to realign conferences to reduce network transaction costs long term and increase network revenues by remolding conferences more closely along maximized advertiser markets (and incentivizing this change by offering bigger cuts to schools and conferences that realign as the networks seek); and

4) an attempt to marginalize the NCAA and its capacity to interfere with programming goals, and so charge tolls of its own for acquiecing.

As I read posts by board rats, the only game that seems clearly understood is the first one--the schools pursuit of conference affiliations that maximize televised football revenues.

But games 2, 3 and 4 are in process also.

And I suspect that Game 2 related to regional voting block alliances on infrastructure issues may significantly explain why some states and their schools get included in and others get included out.

yates33333 6 years, 2 months ago

Man O Man, he looks like an ideal power forward. I sure hope we get him. I wish this crap about the Big 12 exploding would go away. I hope he knows that if it blows up KU will land on its feet in basketball whatever happens.

Woody Cragg 6 years, 2 months ago

Astute observations JB, you never cease to amaze me. You would've been a great writer for the old SNL point/counterpoint (Dan & Jane). #2 may have a greater impact than we all realize. Then again the BOR likes to say that KU & silo tech are joined at the hip, presumably at birth & everyone can certainly speculate why, thanks to the enlightenment. They may have been delivered in a litter, but not the mighty JBirds! Again, hats off & drink's up. Here's to the Ellis effect.

bigbluebear 6 years, 2 months ago

Ok as far as Perry Ellis goes who knows where he's going. He is a smart kid with a seemingly great family. But as a Kentucky fan who has posted on this sight before I tend to check it out from time to time. As we do ocassionally butt heads on recruits and all that. It's the people commenting on this sight that I had to post about not the Ellis story. Both Kansas and Kentucky are the true blue bloods of basketball not the rest. Come on Phog was Rupp's coach. We are both in the top three in all time wins and of course have both been known to win a championship or two. Out of respect for college basketball in general we shouldnt be going at each others throats. We are the two schools that should rise above it and look down on all our little brothers. Hell if you want to smack someone around plz put Duke in there place. Of course there can be friendly jesting but this is getting out of hand. Both schools should act like the blue bloods we claim to be. If you want to be known as great act great not like a bunch of 2nd grade idiots. Both teams have great programs with good coaches "yes callipari is a good coach even if he walks the line check out his teams defensive stats and theres your proof" and tradition coming out our ears lets just act like it. Ellis is one recruit and very good one at that but let the kid enjoy the process school and in general this part of his life.

Tony Bandle 6 years, 2 months ago

OK,OK...who allowed this incredibly logical and gentlemanly [or ladylike..fair is fair] poster access to this site!!

As part of detente, I will offer that John Calipari served as an assistant coach at Kansas, so there are roots there whether we Jayhawks like it or not.

Bigbluebear, you are, by far, the most civil Wildcat poster we have had on this site in a long, long time.

Don't be a stranger

dynamitehawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Finally - a respectable UK fan. Thanks for a great post, and while I reserve the right to post something about naked hillbillies (I have family in KY, and I visited recently), I will think again due to your decency.

Martin Shupert 6 years, 2 months ago

The sad thing about the Big Twelve blowing up is the missed opportunity for Kansas to get into the Big Ten. I would love to see us playing Ohio St., Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Purdue in basketball. They seem to be more interested in Notre Dame than Kansas. It's weird. I realize that we would not exactly be a powerhouse football team there, but we would hold our own with the second tier and it would help us in recruiting in those areas. As far as universities go, KU would benefit from the association with the Big Ten schools. Geographically, it makes sense for the Big Ten and what's going to be left of the Big Twelve to merge, but you hear nothing about it... so I'm sure it's just not even remotely possible. Onward and upward, I suppose.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

Take heart martyks. If I recall correctly, the Big Ten announced yesterday,it plans to expand to 16 teams and KU, Missouri, KSU, ISU and in something of a surprise, Maryland (having expressed a desire to jump to the Big Ten, are candidates, though Missouri appears to be leaning presently to the SEC.

Increasingly, we appear headed toward two super conferences drawn loosely along the lines of the Civil War.

6 years, 2 months ago

Really? No doubt some exciting match-ups but I would have preferred playing against the teams in the Big East (maybe because I could have seen KU live much more frequently). Too late now.

REHawk 6 years, 2 months ago

Perry, KU has a history for landing bright in-state recruits who play on National Championship teams. Spend 3 healthy seasons in Lawrence, and you stand a much better than decent chance of becoming a Jayhawk Legend. I hope to see you next season, outfitted in crimson and blue, serving as a major piece in the grand historical puzzle of winning Kansas basketball. Whether the Big 12 survives, or Kansas seeks realignment, you will play the majority of your games on nationally televised networks. Bill Self and Co. will develop your skills according to the intensity of your desires.
In the 2008/09 season towering lanky twins Frick and Frack stumbled onto the hardwood of The Phog. In the whirlwind of 3 tremendously successful seasons they departed Lawrence in the spring of 2011 as highly talented men, multi-millionaire NBA lottery picks. Not a miraculous development, perhaps, but certainly an assurance to all incoming big men that supergrowth and extremely high personal achievement are available to those who commit themselves to gleaning the most from Kansas Hoops.

Adam Bengtson 6 years, 2 months ago

He will commit and sign with Kansas University tomorrow.

SportsBang 6 years, 2 months ago

Everyone knows that Kansas doesn't have a football program anyway! Why doesn't Kansas keep the kids on scholarship until they run out and see if they can win an intramural league. They should stay out of the frat league they may get humiliated though. Then they could join Georgetown, Villanova, Baylor, Temple, St John's Marquette, Seton Hall, DePaul and Providence in a Basketball League....

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

"Some Sound Advice on Don'ts Kentucky Lurkers Have for KU"

~Don't shave points, as we at Kentucky have.

~Don't have a death penalty, as we at Kentucky have.

~Don't have a near death penalty, as we at Kentucky have.

~Don't hire a coach that has left two programs just before the NCAA required forfeits at those programs, as we at Kentucky have.

~Don't hire an ineligible player as graduate assistant, as we at Kentucky reputedly did.

~Don't count wins that should have been forfeits, as we at Kentucky do.

~Don't count rings that should have been forfeits, as we at Kentucky do.

~Don't diss your Daddy, as we at Kentucky have.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

6 years, 2 months ago

ALL of the above and yet the NCAA basically gave UK a pass. The one year suspension doesn't come close to being a fair and just penalty.

Kentucky won the NCAA title in ’48, ’49 and ’51 while it was proven during this period of illegal recruiting, paying players, shaving points, dumping games, academic fraud, and only a fool would think that Rupp wasn't doing all the above before the dirtiest program in NCAA Men's Basketball was finally brought to light.

Even during the 1952-53 suspension, players STILL were paid. The NCAA let all 3 NCs stand..never even rescinded a single game.

After Rupp retired in '72, the program was left in the capable hands of Joe B. Hall and later Eddie Sutton who continued the tradition of payoffs, academic fraud, illegal recruiting and ad nauseam.

In 1976, the NCAA announced Kentucky scholarships would be limited for two seasons because of recruiting violations by Coach Joe B. Hall’s staff.

In 1985 after evidence presented by the Herald-Leader, with public coverage of admissions by over 31 former UK players and some recruits, the NCAA found a way to punish all but the University. Recruit Sam Bowie pulled in 5 grand in a shoebox while staying in a hotel.

The '89 NCAA investigation of the recruitment of Eric Manual and payoffs to recruit Chris Mills’ father PLUS other incidents of classroom fraud let many to believe UK would get the death penalty..but they were wrong.

This is just a fraction of the violations committed by the NCAA's dirtiest and most racist D1 BB program and one that now has Coach Cal already contributing to a new era of violations.

All true. No malice.

6 years, 2 months ago

Kentucky coach John Calipari is alleged to have had impermissible contact — commonly known as a "bump" — with a basketball prospect during the summer recruiting season.

6 years, 2 months ago

You asked for recent, you got it.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago


KU = Lesser infractions every time

UK = major infractions several times + more lesser infractions

You do the math.


jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago


For what little its worth, my hunch is that Perry will announce for UNC.

If I recall correctly UNC is still on his list.

Roy still has a lot of cred in the state of Kansas.

UK is too slimy.

KU is too under the cloud of conference instability.

Therefore: Perry to UNC.

Man, I hope I'm wrong and he chooses KU, where he can get the best big man coaching.

But that's my hunch.

Make me wrong, Perry, make me wrong.

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

Oops. UNC ain't on his list according to the big print. :-)

Then I dunno. Self being out of town visiting Shabazz at the time of Perry's announcement doesn't sound good.

Ken Sedgwick 6 years, 2 months ago

I really dont have anything to add, I just wanted to be the 230th comment.

Andrew Washington 6 years, 2 months ago

Perry, you'd look great in a Jayhawk uniform! if you want to possibly make a run at the sweet sixteen then choose wichita state, you wanna make a run at the final four then choose kentucky-however if you want to play in the national championship game then come to KANSAS!

bigbluebear 6 years, 2 months ago

Well I made my post and the reaction was positive so now ill get into the Ellis situation. I dont think the confrence thing will have any impact, I have kept up with his recruitment and from what ive read he likes two things t.v. exposure to keep his name hot and nba aspirations in the forfront (who can blame him) and the home state family atmosphere. As I see it thats one advantage to both uk and ku. Honestly I dont buy the whole confrence instability crap as coach Pastner seems to recruit just fine at a confrence usa school and thats with no tradition. Kansas your fine in recruiting no questions asked. Now for where he will end up as a kentucky fan I have to sorry guys i know this is your site but I have to pray for a kentucky decision kids got too much talent. However even as a Kentucky fan I have to admitt it would be awesome to seem him go to Witchita State. They have a good returning team and if this super confrence thing does happen it might be a last shot for a team like Witchita State to do anything for a very very long time. As a final note please forgive the spelling and grammar I've been awake almost 20 hours and honestly just dont have it in me to care about that stuff. As a tradition oriented fan of college basketball I say good luck to both school as well as Witchita State.....after all tomorrow none of this will matter as we will know the truth one way or the other.

Andrew Washington 6 years, 2 months ago

You sorta make it sound like you're a kentucky fan and a wichita state fan-a bit unusual... Id never imagine that a kentucky fan would acknowledge ku the way you have- let alone wichita state! Are you sure you're not from kansas?

100 6 years, 2 months ago

You are a good college basketball fan. You remind me of what it used to be like before this wild invention called the Internet. There are still many civil fans out there who get it.

As for now, I was sorry to read that someone from Calipari's staff according to two college basketball coaches was reported to have paid $200,000 to a high schooler in Chicago.

Do you think he still plays this game? If he does, I wonder how long it will be before Calipari himself gets caught? Do the players at UK sign letters of intent? I worry about them signing in case something comes up mid-season, if indeed this type of recruiting is happening. I thought surely after he left Memphis he would stop this type of recruiting?

Surely Perry Ellis doesn't read the Chicago Sun in Wichita?

Best of luck next year BigBear.

We'll see you in Madison Square.

Rock Chalk, Kentucky Wildcats...

Rock Chalk

dynamitehawk 6 years, 2 months ago

We've bee battling Johnny the Squid for top talent since Tubby was your coach. It has nothing to do with KY except that he's there (for now).

jaybate 6 years, 2 months ago

UK didn't get The Morris Twins.

UK didn't get Xavier Henry.

UK didn't get Thomas Robinson.

UK didn't get Josh Selby.

And those are just the didn't gets lately.

I would rather have that list of guys than the gets that UK got.

We won more games over the same period.

Therefore, our guys were better....

Or your coach is inferior?

Either KU gets better players...

Or KU's coach is way better.

Which'll it be?

ohmixmaster 6 years, 2 months ago

I've been scared for quite some time that because of this conference realignment nonsense that KU would lose Ellis to KY just for conference stability reasons. Today's events might just change all that. KU would be a terrific fit for Perry for all the reasons posters have already discussed so no need to rehash here. Wichita State would have been good for him as well if he was a Freshman this season as WSU has a ton of good guards but are all seniors. They've also got no big men, so Ellis would have made WSU a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 team, but only this season. Next year they lose all of their guards, and Perry would have little to no support. So I don't see that happening unless Marshall could lure a couple of top guards to WSU, which probably won't happen. K-State won't land Perry, with or without realignment, because, lets be honest, what top player wants to play for Frank Martin now that he's famous for being a loudmouth tool? Huggins snagged Beasley, Walker and Pullen, not Martin. Califelony's recent visit made me nervous because before today, it was a real possibility that KU would have ended up in a non-bcs conference. We shall see. Lets hope he chooses KU and the Big 12 remains not only a conference, but one of the top conferences in the Country.

SportsBang 6 years, 2 months ago

What does Bill Self tell recruits now! We will be a beast in the Mountain West?

100 6 years, 2 months ago

He tells them...

"Welcome to Kansas... Would you like to meet an NBA Finals MVP first? Or would you like to see an NBA championship ring first? Or perhaps an NCAA championship ring? Or an NCAA championship trophy? Or maybe a Final 4 MVP trophy? Or maybe the original rules of basketball? Or would you like to start by shooting a few baskets on Wilt Chamberlain court? You do know who Wilt is don't you, young man? You don't? Oh well then, come with me... Right over here we can put on earphones & announce a play that Wilt's team ran right here @ Kansas. We get to pretend to be announcers for the only player in the history of the NBA to score a hundred points in one game!!!! What's that? You're not impressed by any of this stuff because your mom speculates you have A.D.D.? Walk with me young man. You see that yellow cab over there? Take it to Lexington, Kentucky. There's a coach there that specializes in getting players like you into a pro league called the D league after just one semester of real coursework! The second semester you don't even have to go to class! Thanks for visiting!"

bigbluebear 6 years, 2 months ago

Ok as a final thought from me on this would have to be. First of all welcome to Kentucky Archie Goodwin, second would have to be I am deff. a Kentucky fan thru and thru but I have respect for all college basketball from the true blue bloods such as Kansas, however I must also admit that anyone who doesnt like a cinderella team come march just isnt my kind of cb fan. I was simply pointing out above in my post that for teams like the Shockers if the super confrences happen they probably arent going to have too many more chances so for that scenario I would appreciate Ellis picking his home town school for local super stardom and a magical run in college basketball as it now stands. Also like ive already stated I hope above and beyond that Ellis chooses Kentucky. Along with Mr. Goodwin it would be another blockbuster few days in Kentucky recruiting.

100 6 years, 2 months ago

Thanks UKallday,

We'll see you at MSG. Good luck this season.

Rock Chalk

bigbluebear 6 years, 2 months ago

Ku congragulations on getting a good player and a good person. I'm sure he will repersent your school well for a few years to come. Really looking forward to the MSG meeting this year good luck on the upcoming year.

ohmixmaster 6 years, 2 months ago

A KY fan with class.....this is really cool and much appreciated. bigblubear and ukallday...nice to have you here.

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