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Monday, October 31, 2011

Not dead yet: Turner Gill eager to put October behind

In the spirit of Halloween, a Texas fan hoists a skeletal effigy of the Jayhawks during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium.

In the spirit of Halloween, a Texas fan hoists a skeletal effigy of the Jayhawks during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium.

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It doesn’t take much to figure out how fans feel about the current state of Kansas University football program.

A quick search of KU message boards, Twitter or talk radio provides a colorful, and sometimes brutal, synopsis. But with his team mired in a six-game losing streak and sitting at 2-6 overall and 0-5 in Big 12 play, Kansas coach Turner Gill doesn’t seem rattled by the negativity that’s out there.

“I understand the fans’ (perspective),” Gill said Sunday night. “I don’t know all that, but, just like myself, you would like to have a better situation than we had in October. But we do have the month of November here, and we just need to finish and give our fans some things so they can see that things are definitely making progress in this program and moving forward in a good way. We’re trying to build on a steady basis to be competing for championships.”

At this point — just two days removed from a 43-0 loss at Texas, the latest in a long line of lows for the Jayhawks — things have become pretty routine with Gill’s crew: Work hard and think positive thoughts during the week, suffer an embarrassing letdown on Saturday and show up Sunday ready to put it all behind them. Despite being stuck in a rut, Gill said the team had held together.

During his weekly phone call with reporters Sunday night, Gill was asked if he thought he or his staff had lost the team. His answer?

“No. No. No. Not at all,” he said.

That aspect of KU’s recent struggles seems to be the one that matters most to Gill. While he said he could sympathize with all the disappointment out there, he emphasized that the focus remained on his team and the final four weeks of the season.

“I’m just worried about trying to get our football team ready,” he said. “Obviously, I understand we’re not as productive as myself or the fans or anybody would like to be. But I know we’re trying to make sure that we finish this season up good, and I think that’s the key thing right now. We’ve got an opportunity with these next four games. As we all know, in most cases, you’re more remembered by what you do in November and hopefully we can make a good statement.”

Film reveals failure up front

A day after watching his offense limp to 46 yards, three first downs and minus-2 rushing yards in the loss to the Longhorns, Gill and his coaching staff watched the game film while keeping an eye out for just what went wrong that allowed UT to hold Kansas more than 350 yards below its season average. They found a clear answer.

“Our guys up front just couldn’t knock ’em off the ball, couldn’t make any creases,” Gill said. “We just couldn’t get any rhythm going.”

UT used new look

Part of the reason Texas was able to gouge Kansas for 441 rushing yards was its use of a new offensive formation.

Gill said Sunday that, on certain running plays, the Longhorns created an unbalanced look by using an extra offensive lineman. The extra run-blocker, a reserve who wore No. 82, allowed UT to put four lineman to one side, opening up big hole after big hole against the KU defense.

“They put him in at that tight-end spot, but he actually was an offensive lineman,” Gill said. “That was the only thing that was different, (from what we’d seen) and, obviously, they gained a lot of yards in running that one play.”

Other than that new wrinkle, Gill said Texas did not do anything out of the ordinary.

“I can’t say anything was a total surprise, as far as what they did,” he said.

ISU favored by 13.5

Iowa State, which KU will play in Ames, Iowa, at 11:30 a.m. Saturday, opened as a 13.5-point favorite against the Jayhawks. By Sunday night, the line already had crept up as much as a point and a half.

The Cyclones are the eighth-straight opponent to be favored against the Jayhawks.

Comments

Funhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

More fun, useless sports trivia. “Where Are They Now?” Zach Stoudt, the hot shot juco quarterback every commentator on this website wanted for 2011 KU quarterback. He chose Ole Miss over KU.
Ole Miss is 2-6, losing all SEC conference games to date. Mr. Stoudt started the first three games, beating out three other Ole Miss quarterbacks in the pre-season. First three games his yards passing were 140, 118, and 139, with 50% completion. He threw for two touchdowns total in these three games. But, he threw five interceptions in the third game, being routed by bottom feeder Vanderbilt. Mr. Stoudt was replaced after the third game and he has not seen the playing field since. His replacement was a two time All-American quarterback, also from a juco; but adjustment from a juco to SEC has been difficult for both. Source: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/145/ole-miss-rebels.

blackhawkjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Thanks for the info. If only Brock Berglund were here, everything would be better.

Robert Brock 3 years, 9 months ago

Will we EVER see Berglund in a Kansas uniform?

Cmill1221 3 years, 9 months ago

Willams fund donation: $10,000

Season tickets: $800

Turner Gill: WORTHLESS!!!!

Chris Bailey 3 years, 9 months ago

Dang man! If I gave 10 grand to the williams fund I'd be super pissed too! I'm guessing you got some sweet seats! But it's not much fun watching a game that we aren't in. I'm to the point I see no improvement from turner Gill. I don't think he is the right man for the job. He makes zero adjustments at half time and gaining only 46 yards against Texas. Wow. Humiliating.

KU_Alumn_2000 3 years, 9 months ago

Class act Cmill1221. Coach Gill isn't worthless.

Yes he is struggling as a coach...but worthless is a little harsh.

Cmill1221 3 years, 9 months ago

Cry me a river. The truth hurts! Awwwww he's going through a tough time. I bet the 2mill a year helps him to just "Get through it". But yes your right he isn't Compleatly worthless. Just worthless to the university of Kansas as a head football coach.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 9 months ago

What do you want him to say? That it will be okay pat him on the back give him a high five and a snickers bar? I think that is what happens when the players do something wrong. Please he is being soft, just like our coaching staff. Time to lay down some action or the staff and all will be gone. Is ineptitude as coach should trigger the incompentence clause in his contract.

KU_Alumn_2000 3 years, 9 months ago

Cmill1221 and jhawkrulz - Why such anger ? Don't be pissed at Gill. Perkins did this. If you're Gill...are you gonna turn away a $10 million contract ?

Gill's trying to coach the way he knows how. Yep it's not working. He's probably way over his head. Thats fine if you want to criticize his coaching...but don't attack him as a person and say the guy is worthless. Everyone knows he's gone after season's end...if not before...so whats the point in the angry personal attacks ?

Chris Bruning 3 years, 9 months ago

No actually he is NOT gone after season's end, nice try, and if he is FIRE SHTEAN WZEINGER!!!!

ja3hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I don think he will get fired either. Not sure why but I just get that feeling. I don't think he will get it done here but I'd be happy if he proves me wrong...

sportjunky 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree that "worthless" is just not appropriate, but certainly we could all agree that the overall coaching (ALL coaches) is well below par. However, I also remember watching Terry Allen in his second year after he inherited a pretty good program from Glen Mason. I see way too many parallels for my comfort. I understand that it takes time for a new coach to get players used to their system, but this isn't just slight movement in reverse, but this is total movement in reverse.

Other schools coming off mediocre and good seasons have experienced coaching changes that haven't gone nearly this poorly. I was all for Turner Gill, and I wanted him to have at least this season to try. However, I'm convinced that this team is so far gone that it won't recover. We have to be losing recruits as a result of this...

George Bures 3 years, 9 months ago

Mediocre and good seasons? Didn't Phatmans team lose its last 7 games. He Didn't recruit any athletes and now WE are paying for it.

ja3hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Yep he lost the last 7 games and each one of them was a competitive game we could have won. We were in those games. As for recruiting... that's just a false assumption. Check on the recruits that came in... they were all about the same.

troutsee 3 years, 9 months ago

Totally agree. If we get blown out over the last four games, and there is a better than 50% chance that we will be blown out by every team we play in November, then he is gone for sure. If he wins one and is competitive in two of the other three, he'll probably be retained. However, after watching his teams perform over the past two years, I have zero faith in him as a head coach. Hopefully he will prove me wrong. He just does not appear to be ready to lead at this point in his life. Even his public personna does not instill confidence. He's a gem of a person but thus far has been poison for KU football.

kuilander 3 years, 9 months ago

hearing this man utter the word championships makes my stomach turn. he says texas really didnt do anything that was a surprise, well then tell me how you scored doughnut then ... zero, zilch, negative rushing yards!!!! this man cannot gameplan to save his life. and oh, the big recruiter he is ... scout has us ranked in the 70's ... yeah great recruiter.

JayhawkGrad05 3 years, 9 months ago

On Rivals.com, we are #10 out of 10 in the current Big 12....however that's partially because we have only 8 recruits. We have a better per player rating than KSU and ISU, so with a few more recruits, we'd be 8 of 10. That's about where I'd expect us to be. The ranking in the 70s on Scout is probably because of the same thing. IF Turner can convince others to join this team based on obvious immediate playing time openings, we'll probably be much higher than that by the time the recruiting period is over.

There's pretty tough recruiting competition in our league. 7 of the 10 current and new Big 12 teams are in the top 40 (rivals.com). Since there's probably no way we can afford to buy Turner and staff out after this year, let's hope he can bring in some JC players and a few more HS recruits and see if they can do something better despite Gill's inability to coach. We can only hope.

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 9 months ago

It's also because we only have a small number of spots available to recruit. Last year's class was really big, but I want to say we only have like 13 slots this year.

JayhawkGrad05 3 years, 9 months ago

Plus all the openings that transfers out will open up....:)

johnnyhrdwd 3 years, 9 months ago

It was the no name reserve tackle they played at tight end, so they could run clock and get the game over with. We're goin all the way next year.

Mo Mosallaei 3 years, 9 months ago

Turner Gill is definitely not worthless. I believe he's worth about $10 million.

willie_fu_fu 3 years, 9 months ago

The KU athletic department is dead. Currently the combined records of Football, Volleyball and Soccer is 4-20 in conference. Last year the combined record of Volleyball, Mens and Womens Basketball, Baseball and Softball Tennis and Soccer was 53-82 in conference play. Take out Mens Basketball and KU was 33-80 in those sports. Shay-Z needs to make alot of changes.

Ashwin Rao 3 years, 9 months ago

That puts everything into perspective. I hope AD is looking at such statistics. Thanks, willie_fu_fu!

JayDocMD 3 years, 9 months ago

Hey willie_fu_fu, I don't want to see you, Pickin up the athletic dept and boppin them on the head.

shelleysue 3 years, 9 months ago

Agreed. the AD said long ago that the overall state of KU athletics was not acceptable. I have a feeling we are going to see A LOT of changes.

actorman 3 years, 9 months ago

You're right, willie, it's hard to imagine an athletic department being any worse than this one--maybe ever. There definitely need to be some wholesale changes made. The next year will give us a good insight into whether our AD is any more valuable than our football coach.

And TG's words are completely meaningless at this point. Let's just get this damn, miserable excuse for a season overwith.

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 9 months ago

It might, but previous articles have led me to believe this isn't the only mess of a contract Big Lew left us. I hope SZ's hands aren't as tied as I think they might be.

fansincewilt 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree that there is still opportunity to end this season on a positive note. It can happen. I think we have the most positive guy in the Big 12. Something good has got to happen.

DocBean 3 years, 9 months ago

Something good will happen, Turner Gill will be fired.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 9 months ago

Coach Gill, as the team saw an usual formation, could you explain what in game adjustments you made? Or did you decide when they used that formation you were always just going to let them have 10-15 yards or more.

nb4ku 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm starting to see the improvement in our team that HCTG keeps talking about.........

nuleafjhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

" ISU favored by 13.5 "

I was just wondering if that statement had EVER been made before?

Chris Condren 3 years, 9 months ago

Coach Gill is a total joke. He tries to talk like a head coach but all we get from him are empty words. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Then the embarrassing losses pile up higher and higher. I will be glad when this clown is fired ending this two year nightmare.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 9 months ago

Ahh yes, the old "what's-his-name was wearing a tricky number" scam. Fools the good teams every time. What's next, the old "quarter behind the ear" play?

texashawk10 3 years, 9 months ago

I can guarantee you that KU will not set any kind of D1 record for fewest fans in the stands against Baylor. Watch the team a certain dumba$$ wants in the Big 12 from New Orleans tell me if KU is ever going to come close to those numbers. It might be a Memorial Stadium record, but I even highly doubt that. Last year there was only 55,000 at Arrowhead so I'm guessing attendance isn't going to go up from last year.

KEITHMILES05 3 years, 9 months ago

KUAC has such a huge debt load it'll take a miracle to find 10 million to take care of all the contracts of Gill and coaches. Yeah, most people are pissed but most people will not donate funds to satisfy his departing monies owed. Hence, all your crazy anger means nothing to KUAC unless you are going to pony up........which you won't.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 9 months ago

55MM with a debt service level at $2.5 million and record lows on interest rate is not a huge debt load.

the money is there to. We are getting probably more than $6MM from NU, CU, MU, and A&M leaving alone. We also just got a little more from the Jayhawk TV telecast and our TV revenue will go from $17 to about $28 MM over the next 2 years.

Additionally, calls to the appropriate parties will assure that if the decision to remove Gill is made, additional funding to hire a real coach will be available.

Dyrk Dugan 3 years, 9 months ago

jhaux hinted at it....but let's explore more fully shall we?

ISU is now using a frosh quarterback...and he's doing well. they just whipped TTech on the road for their first league win. our QB, while serviceable, has won NO Big 12 games....not a one. and really hasn't come close. the difference is, we have no one in the pipeline.

is it all his fault? of course not...but under 50 total yards? you're telling me he couldn't make one read at a defense...one sequence of plays to get a drive going....he couldn't do it ONCE? vs. a team that gave up more points to OU than we allowed.

Nope. Webb cannot be the QB next year...no matter who the coach is. our offense has now come full circle. we were running the ball like crazy...now we go for -2 yards...why? we don't throw the ball down the field...because the coaches don't have confidence in our QB to get it done. defenses don't have to worry about the pass, so they gang up the receivers and our o-line...and we can do nothing. we put up 245 yards in the 1st half vs. OU....we haven't gained 350 yards since...and we've played 10 quarters.

i said in the summer, that we would eventually be going to Berglund because Webb will have his shot, and if we were losing, then BB should get the call. well, for various reasons most of it his own doing, Brock is unavailable. Cummings has already been announced he'll redshirt...so we're stuck. we're stuck with a QB that has definitely peaked out in production. he's not getting BETTER. and that's the crux of this whole team. we, as fans, don't see the improvement on the field. is it talent? or is it coaching? definitely both....but i would like to see this coach, coach HIS talent. and it's not here yet.

be that as it may, i posted after the KSU loss that that this week was it. it's a win or else game. ISU, despite their pasting of TTech in Lubbock, is still a team we should compete with. if Jordan Webb is EVER going to get his first league win, this is the week to do it. (Gill has yet to win on the road anywhere while at KU).

it's put up or shut up. Win the ballgame, Gill stays. lose, and nobody can save him. his fate is unclear. Go Jayhawks!

VaJay 3 years, 9 months ago

In Jordan's defense, he had several drops on third down that would've been first downs & a terrible non-call of pass interference in the 4th quarter when Texas put their first team in to stop us from scoring. His stats this season have been pretty good, but lately he's been getting hammered back there with no running game to slow the pass rush down, so please get off his case!

For all you armchair quarterbacks out there, stick to flinging things at the overpaid coaching staff.

texashawk10 3 years, 9 months ago

Yes, because Jordan Webb has clearly shown the ability to stretch defenses or to make proper reads. How many times has he thrown into double or triple coverage this year, or bounced bubble screens, or missed horribly on slant routes, or taken a horrible sack? You want to know why opposing defenses are loading up against KU's running attack, it's because Jordan Webb isn't a threat in the passing game so there's no reason to respect KU's passing game.

Geekinout 3 years, 9 months ago

Wow, I don't like picking on players, but you must NOT be watching the same KU football team that 99% KU fans have been...

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 9 months ago

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Phoghorn 3 years, 9 months ago

Sick, disgusting, and very poor taste!

Phoghorn 3 years, 9 months ago

Hey, I have been as supportive of Gill as anyone, and I will continue to support him as long has he is our coach.

BUT...this is really getting painful. My Pastor is a Longhorn grad...my oh my was it hard to show my face a Church yesterday...

Jack Brooks 3 years, 9 months ago

I wake up every morning and look at KUSports.com to see if there has been some sort of coaching change, even if it's just Shealy who's fired (and he really should be). Alas, every morning I'm disappointed.

flyingfinn 3 years, 9 months ago

I have the same hopes and my greatest nightmare is that we keep this Bozo.

middleoftheroader 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree with hawk from hays, there is no way Turner survives this, whether he should or shouldnt is no longer the point, he wont coach at KU next season. Instead of arguing whether he is worthless or not, lets discuss who we want to have as HC, and separately who we think Zenger WILL hire as HC.(pipedreams aside).

Phoghorn 3 years, 9 months ago

Perhaps Coach Paterno is looking for a retirement job!

texashawk10 3 years, 9 months ago

Just about every name that's been thrown out is a pipe dream for KU, just like after Mangino was let go.

bennettcl 3 years, 9 months ago

"definitely making progress in this program and moving forward in a good way"

NEWSFLASH: You're team is showing no progress and certainly isn't showing anything that could be considered "good"

"We’re trying to build on a steady basis to be competing for championships.”

Quit talking about building to win championships. Set realistic goals, like building to win one conference game in a season. Quit focusing on winning the league and focus on trying to get bowl eligible. The odds of KU winning the league or any championship is slim to none, so quit setting unrealistic goals. Try focusing on not being the laughing stock of the FBS each week by finding new ways to embarrass yourself, your coaching staff, your players, and your fan base.

I'm tired of watching news conferences and gridiron videos that show Gill delivering empty words like "execute", "believe", "focus", and "tenacity". If Gill spent as much time developing a game plan as he does making up "motivational" words and quotes, maybe we could compete, but as long as Gill is in charge, this team is going no where fast.

When our players see "NOWHERE" on the board they see "No Where" instead of "Now Here", because with Gill Now Here, this team is going No Where.

ja3hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Haha, every conference they just use a pre-recorded tape... this week, we beat ISU and they'll still use the same pre-recorded tape. LOL

Theodore Thadogweadore 3 years, 9 months ago

The headline should have read "Kansas eager to put Turner Gill behind."

Eric Dawson 3 years, 9 months ago

"Not dead yet" Unfortunately this is not a Monty Python film. After last week there is no pulse, and there has been no brain activity in months. Zenger's only chance to bring KUFB back from the dead in time for next season? A radical Gillectomy on Nov 28, combined with a Longotomy and selective treatment of other serious Staph problems. The really hard part for Zenger will be finding the right subjects for the necessary major limb grafts needed afterwards.

An (unfortunately) thematically appropriate frightening scenario for KU on this All Hallows Eve.

danmoore 3 years, 9 months ago

I feel sorry for this team. No one should have to suffer this type of humiliation. The end of the season can not arrive fast enough.

MorganR 3 years, 9 months ago

I continue to support coach Gill and urge patience. KU has run through several coaches over the decades and we have had little success. If we do need to seek a new coach, I think we need to demonstrate patience to attract a good coach.

danmoore 3 years, 9 months ago

+1

It's painful to watch but if we fire him we would only be setting up the next coach to fail.

ShooterFlatch 3 years, 9 months ago

-1000. Gross incompetence has been on display since the NDSU game. To wait does more harm to the program. These players DESERVE better coaching. This coaching staff gets about 80% out of them on average. With this program's history and the kind of recruit we generally get we MUST get 100% out of our players to be competitive. Look no further than the old guy to the west. He gets 100% out of an arguably worse roster. He also puts in inordinate time to get there. Do I expect someone to live this job to the point of leaving at midnight and being back at 6am? Of course when the compensation is $2M/year, especially during the season. Gill is clueless as to what it takes to compete at this level and while he bears some of that blame I put much more of the blame on the administration that selected him and further gave him such a cumbersome contract. As for coaches not wanting to come here if we fire somebody in 2 years.......the kind of coach it takes to be successful here would take a look at any single game film and see that we should have done this prior to now. Gill's over his head.

MorganR 3 years, 9 months ago

I agree danmore. Even if we find a coach that has experienced a winning record, past performance is not always an indicator of future success. Bernie Madoff produced great results for some but not for all of his clients. As in business, sometimes luck (including being at the right place at the right time) is more important than skill.

You guys will know far better than I do what some of those factors are. I will defer to others regarding recruitment and other factors.

If any new coach doesn't have confidence the fan base is willing to give them time to build a team, they may not be willing to come to KU or to stay at KU.

I also hope we would be concerned with the character of the coach. I don't want to see a coach demean or abuse his / her players. Rather, I want coaches to build up their players just as a good manager does in business. To the best of my knowledge, coach Gill is exemplary. Some of those that have been suggested as alternatives to coach Gill seem to have a past that is far from ideal.

Having a coach stress academics is important. A friend of mine at Michigan tutored a star player on the alphabet. I want to be associated with a university that cares about the kids' ability to do well after sports. Again, to the best of my knowledge, coach Gill cares about academic success of his players.

As you can tell, my knowledge of football is limited. I just worry that to many may have rushed to judgment. We may, as a result, be giving up on a fine person and a coach that all of us will be proud of.

MorganR 3 years, 9 months ago

Opps. As a blonde, I should know better than to multi-task. That should read "I just worry that TOO many -not TO many... "I am embarrassed.
By the way, I might mention I have never met coach Gill, anyone on the coaching staff, or any players.

boknowssports 3 years, 9 months ago

This team is like a ship adrift at sea. Gill's pressers almost make you feel sorry for the guy. I really think he has no clue what to do at this point....except take his 167,000 weekly pay check to the bank. Does anyone think we are getting our two mill a year's money worth?

Bville Hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Not to split hairs boknows, but I get $38,461.53 per week (2,000,000 / 52). Your point is well taken though. That's still a helluva lot of $$ for the product he's putting on the field.

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 9 months ago

I think he is referring to Gill's compensation... or I hope he is haha

boknowssports 3 years, 9 months ago

lol...ya that should have been "monthly"....well, it is alot of money.

FreddyinLA 3 years, 9 months ago

Trap, Trap, Trap game this weekend. ISU coming off huuuuuge road win. Coming back home to play a terrible KU team. No way can they get up for this game.

FLJHK 3 years, 9 months ago

You are completely correct. Classic trap situation. Unfortunately, KU has shown me nothing to truly think they could win or even cover in this game.

ZDKC 3 years, 9 months ago

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misfire 3 years, 9 months ago

I miss Mangino. Wouldn't it be ironic if KSU hired Mangino to replace Snyder when he retires the second time?

danmoore 3 years, 9 months ago

Yes.

I keep hoping he will retire but when he does there is a coaching tree to choose from (Patterson, Venables, Leavitt, Mangino). Still puzzled why they chose Prince.

middleoftheroader 3 years, 9 months ago

"truly I say to you, they have their reward".

texashawk10 3 years, 9 months ago

Ron Prince grew up in Junction City and I remember when he was hired that his growing up 20 minutes away from KSU and knowing the area was a huge selling point to KSU at the time because he "understood" the area. The BCA may have had something to do with KSU ultimately choosing him, but that was far from the only thing as KSU was already going down hill having missed 2 straight bowl games under Snyder I believe.

jrbill67 3 years, 9 months ago

So why is November going to be any better now that October is behind us? New players? New coaches? What happened?

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 9 months ago

The level of competition goes down, but I wouldn't be very optimistic either.

jchief40 3 years, 9 months ago

I believe in Turner Gill but unfortunately our opponents do too :(

sava12 3 years, 9 months ago

After 1 1/2 years I'm still on the fence. I see things that are big coaching errors but maybe I'm missing something. Personally, I thought they would be more competitive on defense and not make the same errors they made last year. However, I tend to lean towards giving the coaching staff 3 years. I'm just wondering what results and what timeline (2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year, ect) you'd like to see for you to be satisfied. I'm not pointing fingers, telling you to have patience, or arguing against your opinions. It's a poll. RCJH / RLTW

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 9 months ago

I just want to see something that resmebles progress. The first two games showed us a much improved offense and special teams, but the defense was still pretty bad. I don't think I was alone in thinking that the defense would improve, even if slightly, as would the offense. What I've seen is a defense that is historically bad and doesn't really seem to be improving and an offense that is actually going in completely the wrong direction. Since Big XII play started, most of our points have come late in games, with the exception of the TT game. If there was something, anything, to make me "believe" I'd be all for it. I really have a hard time with only giving a coach two years at a place like Kansas, but I'm now of the opinion that this head coach is in way over his head.

sm5561 3 years, 9 months ago

As embarrassing as the on field results are, it's the things he says that makes me think it won't be any better next year. Keegan and Newell said it best:

TK: I actually think Turner Gill hurts his cause during press conferences almost as much as during games. Tuesday was the second time he opened a press conference citing statistics that show Kansas has improved. That's not what anybody wants to hear because overall Kansas keeps getting worse. He also consistently talks about needing to "continue to get better." This presupposes that the team is getting better, and it's not. The team needs to stop getting worse before it can continue to get better.

JN: Even if it isn't in Gill's nature to be a negative guy, it also might serve him well to appear more upset by his team's struggles. He's the face of the program, and it doesn't project a good image when he seems unaffected by his team's poor play. Fans don't want to feel like they're more upset and embarrassed by a blowout loss than the head coach.

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/cram-session/2011/oct/28/keegan-takes-on-a-tough-question-plus-wh/

nuleafjhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I think it's fair and adequate to give most coaches 3-4 years.

IF - they are making progress. Or being competitive. Or saying things that aren't crazy.

ja3hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Ideally you give a coach enough time for their recruits to become upperclassmen. That said, you'd like to see some progression of their current players. Not sure if this is ALL Gill but something is definitely wrong. It wouldn't hurt for him to show some more passion in his press conferences and to his players on the sidelines. In the end, he really needs to give us something to bite on before the end of the year or he'll be gone. He needs to stop acting like the team is improving....

coolhand357 3 years, 9 months ago

Time to fix the hole in the boat and get off this island.

nuleafjhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Am I the only one who wondered why the Professor could make a radio out of a coconut, but couldn't fix a hole in the boat ?

Ryan Shelton 3 years, 9 months ago

If Coach Gill is involved in some scandle, fire him. If not, then any remarks made about firing him are far too premature.

When Coach Willingham was fired at Notre Dame, I cried foul because they only gave him three years to get it done. Most understand that you have to give a coach time.

How can we really be calling for Coach Gill's job after a 1 and 1/2 seasons? Does any reasonable person actually think you can take a team that finished its last two months without a win, and who had the majority of its starters lost to graduation, and turn it around in two years in a league as tough as the Big XII? That's the most rediculous thought ever!

Give the man a chance. I would like to see some improvement in competitiveness, sure, but I also know that if the name on the front of the jersey isn't OU or Texas, you're just not going to see many miracles in a mere two years of rebuilding.

Consider the fact that we're playing numerous freshmen and only have ONE of Coach Gill's recruiting classes in the system, half of whom are redshirted. Then consider that most on this site last year said 3-9 would be a good record for these Hawks. Now we have a little bit of sensibility.

Since I am in the minority on this and not many here are patient and feel like they can predict the future, feel free to pile on me. I supported Coach Mangino, and I will continue to support Coach Gill.

ShooterFlatch 3 years, 9 months ago

I get that, felt that way for MM in his first few years. But absent wins you could still see progress in that example. For that matter, MM had some wins in his second year. That said, the level of recruiting has been such that we seem to have a roster that is at least average in talent with respect to the competition yet we're not even on the same planet in terms of output. We're 120th out of 120 in most defensive categories. At one point regarding scoring, I believe after the GT game, not only were we 120th but we were TWO TD's behind #119. Think about that for a minute. I can appreciate injuries to the defensive line, I can appreciate poor recruiting for the d-line but, once again, look no further west than KSU to see what some baling wire and bubble gum can do. A few juco d-lineman might be the difference between Gill getting fired before/after 2 years vs. making it a bit further. Not unlike porn, gross incompetence is hard to define but easy to see. It is clear to this long-time fan that Gill fits into the gross incompetence category quite easily. And long-time KU fans are experts with exposure to game ball Allen and Valesente to name just two of the more recent failures. Get rid of him NOW, the players deserve it.

FLJHK 3 years, 9 months ago

I'll not pile on. I appreciate your patience, and agree that's generally what is warranted with a coaching change. If this was a coach with a demonstrated successful track record or with ANY sign of improvement in any tangible aspect of the game, I would be happy to remain patient as well. But I see no such signs. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge an error and do what must be done to cut your losses. Gill is a fine man, but does not appear to be the needed answer for the challenge that is KU football.

texashawk10 3 years, 9 months ago

To me, the most damning thing against Gill is that he appears to have lost most of the locker room and that is the same reason why Mangino had to go as well. The tone of the post game quotes from the players has gone from optimistic about the next game and angry about their performances at the beginning of the year to disappointed and just going through the motions now. If most of the players were still sounding like they believed they had a chance to win on weekly basis, I would be all for bringing back Gill next year with new coordinators, but that's not the case. We all know what Gill is going to say on weekly basis, but it's the change in the players tone and phrases that have me wanting Gill gone because those quotes are indicative of a team that no longer supports their coach.

I'm also not condemning his coaching style like many others have because there are plenty of coaches who are very stoic on the sidelines and use their religious beliefs as a foundation for the principles with which they run a program. What I don't understand is that Bill Snyder is the exact same way and has proven that style of coaching can be very successful, but Gill gets slammed for it. I don't think it's fair to criticize Gill for being stoic on and off the field because that's not why KU is regressing this year, it's because his teams have come out with bad gameplans and poor execution of the bad gameplans.

Turner Gill is a wonderful human being, but even at Buffalo, his team was playing for a MAC title in year 2 and when he over at Buffalo, they were generally considered to be the worst team in the FBS. KU however, isn't improving and is getting worse as the season goes along and the team is now playing like they don't care which is a huge sign that Gill has lost the locker room and once that happens, it's time for a coach to go regardless of success because there have also been very successful coaches in various sports that have lost the locker room and were fired at the end of the season.

Jaminrawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I too understand your plea for patience, but there is a minimum level of success/maximum level of futility that needs to be taken into consideration here. KU is HISTORICALLY bad this year. It would be one thing if they were 2-6 and had some close calls but they have been obliterated in nearly every loss. Most coaches would have come in an realized that they needed to bridge the gap with some JUCO talent. Instead Gill decided to focus more on recruiting highschool talent, which is fine but at the same time he had to know that was a risk. This team is inept. They don't even look like they know what they're doing out there and that is indicative of sub-par coaching. Do you really believe that a team that is giving up an average of 50 points a game is really going to make a huge turnaround in a 3rd season for Gill? Kansas football is the laughingstock of college football right now. How much longer are you willing to ride with a guy whose team has regressed in his second year coaching them. Last year it didn't look like things could get worse but boy did they get worse. And one more year isn't likely to change that.

Ryan Shelton 3 years, 9 months ago

What I wanted to see out of this year was more competitiveness, and I have been let down in that regard, but it's also important to take into consideration the opponents we've played in October: TT, OSU, OU, KSU, UT. All have been ranked in the last two weeks, 3 inside the top 10, and the only game we had a chance in, the TT loss, we came out and were competitive for a half. This is the same TT team that took out OU, the preseason #1. Not all is bad.

I really think that there are glimpses of future success out there amidst all the gloom and defensive futility. Let's just remember that the D Line was our weakness going in, and injuries made it worse. That means we don't stop the run, and we get no pressure on the QB in the passing game. How does a team overcome such a handicap? Games are won and lost in the trenches.

I know that I have been one of the few to keep Coach Gill's back because I believe that eventually his methods will produce results. The next three weeks might be telling. For confidence's sake, I pray we hang in there against ISU and Baylor and give the rest of the fans some small nugget of hope.

I truly believe that with all the underclassmen having a year's experience under their belts next year (AND I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO HIT THE JC'S HARD FOR DEFENSIVE HELP) we will start to see results. Coach Gill has recruited for the long-haul, and that has to be our mindsets as well. If we make a knee-jerk reaction and can Coach Gill this year, that puts us behind another two years. New coach, new system, new players, new way of doing things, new excuses for losing, same angry posts on this site. It would be a shame not to give the coaching staff a chance to let their players mature and show us what they can be capable of.

boknowssports 3 years, 9 months ago

wrong bison breath. he inherited 15 starters (that's out of 22 positions) to start things off last year.

Ryan Shelton 3 years, 9 months ago

Bison breath? No, he inherited 11 starters, and lost most of the players who actually touched the ball. See my comments below for more details.

boknowssports 3 years, 9 months ago

you are leaving some out, possibly specialty teams. here is the total from various sites Phil Steele 16; ESPN 14; KU Athletics 17; SportsBook 15

Mat Davis 3 years, 9 months ago

To fire a coach after 2 years is unfathomable. Unless you violated NCAA rules or some sort of misconduct, there is no reason that Gill won't be back. They haven't looked good, sure, but 70% of the roster are underclassmen. That is a huge disparity. Also, Gill's rebuilding job is incredibly difficult. With the Big 12 being all one division, playing OU, Texas, and OSU every year is a tremendous challenge.I think that Mangino left the cabinet much more bare then people realize, and fans need to calm down a bit. Lastly, we were only expected to go 3-9 at best, so why fans think that all of a sudden we should be beating these ranked teams every week is ridiculous. Really, they are on path with what the preseason prognosticators think. Iowa State would be a big win, and I think they have a realistic shot in the ballgame.

Funhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

This post is entirely true. Mangino did leave the cupboard more bare than realized. For example, if you look at the 20 recruits who signed on February 2008 signing day, only half are still with the team. Our signees' most common offers from other colleges were from Iowa State (if another Big XII school offered), and mid-level teams like Tulsa, Wyoming, Colorado State. Some of our recruits had a few other Big 12 and even a Big 10 offer, but more common by far were signees with only offers from non-Top 40 programs. Our players from Texas help carry the team (7 of the 20 2008 signees were from the state of Texas and most of those Texans are still on the team), but OU, UT, TTech, TAM never give our Texas signees offers. It all boils down to recruiting. Other Big XII coaches have an easier time recruiting. It is very difficult to convince the best players to come to a losing football program, which goes back decades. Fire a coach after two years and you have recruiting suicide. The best high school recruits want coaching stability.

voiceofreason2 3 years, 9 months ago

If I hear one more "Mangino left the cupboard bare" argument, I'm really going to lose it.

rcjallday; please support this comment. Give me names, examples, anything you can to back that up. You can't. Gill is playing with "his" guys now in the majority. So, regardless of the so-called 'barren' cabinet, he should be showing some flashes of brilliance with HIS recruits that HE coaches.

"To fire a coach after 2 years is unfathomable". Maybe you're correct, if he was actually coaching. It would appear he doesn't even know how to do that, and we pay him 2 Million annually. To do what? Tell his players, fans, and alum every week that they are IMPROVING??? I'm sorry, but as much we are continually told how "nice" and "Christian" this man is, that is a LIE!!! He can't admit what he is doing wrong because he doesn't know!!! He doesn't know how to prepare his team, his staff, his playbook, and quite obviously his press conferences. The man is clueless, and at this point I would say incompetent. Would you keep an employee around beyond 2 years if he was the worst employee in your business, his progress continued to decline, and when you asked him to explain, he just smiled at you and said, "Well, I made it to work on time today, and uh, I'm a pretty nice guy, and uh, I'm just going to keep trying, but uh, I don't have any answer for you boss on how or when it's going to get better...I'm just going to believe". The answer is no. Especially if he was one of your highest paid employees.

I don't care if you have High School kids out there. You should be able to prepare them to at least compete from week to week. "Improvement" would be the ability to make adjustments after halftime, or keep a game within a couple of scores. I'm not arguing the schedule is a doozy this year, but to have records broke on you week in and week out makes it painfully obvious that not just something but everything is out of whack. One week it's the defense, the next the offense. Bottom line is the whole system isn't working. And Turner Gill is ill-prepared to stop the bleeding.

Mat Davis 3 years, 9 months ago

Be happy to. Look at the QB position. Webb is the lone holdover, and at 5'9" and 170 lbs. doesn't look to be a division 1 QB. Mangino thought he'd be another Reesing. That has not been the case by a long shot. The defensive players are undersized and not very fast. Even when they blitz, they rarely get any pressure on the QB. These are all mostly MM recruits. You can't turn chicken you know what into chicken salad, regardless of coaching.

Funhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

And, you can't change a KU players' genes. Regardless, anybody who gets a scholarship offer from a KU football coach, and chooses to play ball for our team, is number 1 in my book.

Funhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

2008 Signing Day – Source LJW 2/7/2008 – “KU inks 20 recruits on Signing Day.” "We are pleased with our class overall," KU coach Mark Mangino said in a Signing Day statement. http://www2.kusports.com/football/recruits/2008/ Where are the 2008 signees now? Here is the 2011 roster: http://www2.kusports.com/football/roster/2011/ Here is the 2008 rivals info which shows the supposed scholarship offers our 2008 signees received from other schools. http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2008/kansas-20;_ylt=AshhOt.gTyILq7OG18rylc3FsJB4 Using the 2008 signees as an example, do other Big XII college football teams have this much attrition? If so, is a football team heavy with underclassmen normal? Also, unless the current KU player is a true freshman, the current KU player was brought to KU by Mangino. Turner Gill has had only one recruiting year while at KU. Therefore, the current team is still Mangino's team, and if Mangino were still coaching KU, you would be calling for his head.

boknowssports 3 years, 9 months ago

gill got 15 returning starters.....stop saying the cupboard was bare. a stick could have gone better than 3-9 last year and this year we are looking at 2-10. Where is the improvement you and Gill are drooling over???

Ryan Shelton 3 years, 9 months ago

Let's settle this. Here are the returning starters from Gill's first year.

OFFENSE Jonathan Wilson Tanner Hawkinson Sal Capra Jeremiah Hatch Brad Thorson Jeff Spikes

DEFENSE Jake Laptad John Williams Drew Dudley Chris Harris Huldon Tharp

That's 11 players, not 15. Key losses include, but are not limited to: 1. Todd Reesing, best QB in school history. 3616 yds, 22 TD Sr. year 2. Jake Sharp, 429 yds rushing, 266 yds receiving Sr. year. 3. Dezmon Briscoe, possibly the best receiver in KU history. 1337 yds, 9 TD Sr. year. 4. Kerry Meier, 102 catches, 985 yds, 8 TD Sr. year 5. Darrell Stuckey, best player on defense his last two years. 93 tackles Sr. year. 6. Justin Thornton, great veteran who always seemed to put himself in the right place at the right time. 7. Maxwell Onyegbule, 6 sacks Sr. year.

There's your cupboard.

boknowssports 3 years, 9 months ago

Various sites said we had this many returning starters..Phile Steel 16; ESPN 14; KU Athletics 17; SportsBook 15....so again, out of 22 positions..I find it hard to say the cupboard was empty???

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Phoghorn 3 years, 9 months ago

Quarterbacks look at them all the time...

Phoghorn 3 years, 9 months ago

I can recall fans saying the same thing about Glen Mason. So may fans wanted him gone...I guess they thought he was too outspoken.

Memorial Stadium - no turnstiles, just revolving doors.

Phoghorn 3 years, 9 months ago

Most of the deleted comment above was actually a good discussion of the state of KU football. Is there anyway to allow somebody to just edit out the bad word?

Phoghorn 3 years, 9 months ago

Yes, I know...split infinitive. Sorry Grammar Police.

davehiatt 3 years, 9 months ago

You are absolutely right. We had Jack Mitchell and he knew how to recruit. We couldn't keep Pepper Rodgers. KU has rarely even been adequate at football in its best days except for the 68 and 08 Orange Bowl teams, and the 60 team that took MU out (Then Don Faurot had the smoke filled room revote after the fact to rule Bert Coan ineligible - Even the MU HC admitted when asked "who won?" that "you saw the game".).

But the financial condition of the AD along with the unjustified contract that Turner Gill has creates almost a death sentence to this football program. Its hard to see boosters being willing to pay up to get rid of Gill. Let's remember we gave Terry Allen plenty of time and that proved nothing. Time and patience is NOT what this program needs, it is losing what little support and fans it has left rapidly. It needs success desperately, this is not a fundamentally sound program going through some rough patches, this is a program that is on the verge of total irrelevance.

I agree TG seems to be a nice man, but he is not a D1 head coach. And even if you believe he is, he was never right for this job. Any KU head coach who has the ability to rescue this morbund program would have to have a long and successful career in order to convience talented players to come to a program that has such a proven track record of failure and disfunction.; I'm sure the Anderson family is distressed at how badly their investment has been used. The fact of the mater is, the KU program is not even a viable D1 football program that is a sad reality.

ShooterFlatch 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't know if I'm quite that pessimistic but it is hard to argue that KU isn't at the 120th spot right now. With the support and facilities that we have we certainly don't deserve last place. The failing level of management across all levels that worked together to bring us Turner Gill was truly systemic. Hopefully our new AD can reverse that flow.......

Pbbut 3 years, 9 months ago

The issues with the athletic department can be fixed, but as we've seen with nearly every major school in every major conference in the country, the health and success of the department is connected to a healthy football program.
The football program can get better, but the biggest problem is the initial cost. How do you fire a guy at $2M a year and hire a guy for less to come in and improve it? Perkins really screwed this up. It's like he thought if he paid Gill this much, he'd do the job of a FBS head football coach. Wrong!

MDHawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Since I have no say in whether or not Coach Gill is given another year or two to right the ship, I instead will indulge a little what if regarding who might replace him. A friend of mine and I were discussing potential coaching replacements, and one name came up that seemed equally interesting and impossible. The only name I've heard on here has been Leach...but what about Urban Meyer?

Sure, KU football is a far cry from the program he ran in Florida, but he quit that program for health reasons. If he were to get back into coaching, I've heard he might perhaps be looking for a program in a competitive league but with less expectations (a.k.a. a basketball first school). I told my friend he was crazy for thinking it, but for the sake of talking about someone not named Leach, here you go.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 9 months ago

Urban Meyer will be the head coach of the University of Ohio State next year. He has ties to Ohio and they will be willing to pay a lot.

babyjay1 3 years, 9 months ago

I also understand that a coach should be given more than 1 1/2 years before deciding his future. However, in listening to both local and national sports analysts, they have been saying that is generally true... Except... when it is just obvious that things are not right, it is almost beyond fixing and ruining the team's future potential. I do think that is where we are with Gill and because of that, he needs to go this year! Also, Leavitt and Leach's names are being put out there as replacements and apparently, Zenger has relationships with both of them.

bjejayhawk69 3 years, 9 months ago

Finally most all can agree the Gill experiment is going nowhere. Perkins and few under performing players and their parents caused the Mangino conspiracy. Most KU fans that understand our history were fine with Mangino. History has shown the only way to win not only at KU but any where you can't be a nice guy all the time. The team gets soft and there is no accountability for underperformance/mistakes etc.

The problem is the athletic dept is in a financial mess - still paying off contracts and facility upgrades but keeping Gill will send this program into such oblivion it will take years to pull out of. Maybe Gill will take a buy out of less than his contract - maybe not. Regardless the plug has to be pulled.

Leavitt is my top choice. The whole being abusive to player stuff is a joke. Football coaching is not milk and cookies - players are disciplined at all schools - at KU it was used as a crutch to get ride of Mangino. Leavitt has the fire and experience to produce results and get our fan base motivated to get back behind the program. More importantly Zenger has a relationship with him that could get him to come here.

ForeverLoyal2KU 3 years, 9 months ago

I would love to see Mike Leach named head coach and for him to try to bring Jim Leavitt with him as Defensive Coordinator.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 9 months ago

58 MM in debt is not a financial mess. In fact with record lows in interest and only $2.5MM for servicing that debt is so manageable. I bet a lot of Universities would love to be in our financial position. Plus we are about to get another 5-6MM from the two other schools leaving. Our revenue is going to increase by about $10MM/year from TV revenue, times are good for KU financially don't let LJW tell you differently. They are the ones that said the facilities had $44MM in current debt...they don't know what they are talking about.

Most companies would love to be in the financial position of this athletic program.

Mat Davis 3 years, 9 months ago

Saying Gill is ill prepared is ridiculous. He has been a Division 1 head coach, at Nebraska in their prime, been in the NFL, and his assistants are generally impressive. I would like to see some variety on the offensive side of the ball. I like Coach Long as a person, but the pro style offense is boring and not terribly hard to defend. Switching to more of a spread style would be helpful. If you have to outscore teams to win, at least this might be more feasible. They could still run the ball out of a spread, and space is advantageous when you have exciting running backs in Sims, Bourbon, Miller, and Pierson.

bjejayhawk69 3 years, 9 months ago

20-30 at Buffalo - impressive ???

He was never even a coordinator at Nebraska - and why was he not groomed to be their next head coach with all their recent coaching changes. Dr. Tom surely would have rather have one his own if he thought he had what it takes. Gill is nice guy but that is one of the reasons he is having trouble at this level. There is no fear of under performance by his players plus I don't think he really knows how to go about proper game planning, in game adjustments and proper strength and conditioning.

Mat Davis 3 years, 9 months ago

Considering where that program was at Buffalo before Gill's arrival and then they won the MAC championship, I'd say that is impressive. Yes, 20-30 doesn't look great, but in the proper context, it's actually pretty good.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 9 months ago

No it isn't, quit trying to spin something bad into something good. Keep in mind that the one year he had a winning record, there were 3 overtime games that could have made that year horrible. Also the teams he was playing against were so inferior to the Big XII.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 9 months ago

So freaking naive. Hey the talent is all the same because its not the top level. Buffalo had a high 0 winning season, and Gill got them a championship. Im on the fire Gill Wagon, but to say because its not the top talent so its easy is completely stupid.

boknowssports 3 years, 9 months ago

we are currently losing games this year by about a touchdown more that we did last year. Last year our margin per loss averaged 27 points, this year so far the average loss has been by 34. Where is the improvement Gill and his fans see? Help me?

Kenneth Hillman 3 years, 9 months ago

It will financially burden KU in the short term to get rid of Gill because of his contract but we cannot afford to continue to go down the path we are going. We are becoming the worst football team in the country (statistically we are there this season) with the only football stadium that has a track around it. We won the Orange Bowl 3 YEARS AGO! What the F is going on??? This is NOT good with all of the conference realignment going on. We have to find the money to get rid of Gill and his staff, find money for a new coach and staff, and find money to update our football stadium. If we do not do that asap, we are going to be screwed. Gill is in way over his head and our default "defensive coordinator" is as well. I do not expect us to be in BCS bowls every year but I do expect to make it to a bowl MOST years, say 2 out of 3, (that's a .500 record) and to be able to watch a competent, competitive team. We are not going to get the best recruits at KU but we get enough talent that when coached, can be competitive and win some games. Please Please Please make this happen Mr. AD.

LngTimeFan 3 years, 9 months ago

Gill is not only inept, he is incompetent. He MUST go NOW. I have never seen a more clueless coach ever. Being a good player does not make one a good coach. KU made a horrible decision to hire Gill, cut bait, pay him and move on. Alumni contributions will whither to zero if he stays. Players need to be tough. They will be yelled at no matter where they go and if they can't take it quit football. Grow up. Move on now. My giving to the Wms Fund is stopped and won't resume until Gill is gone. This is not hating, this is about the wrong person being in a position for which they are not prepared. Enough already.

bennettcl 3 years, 9 months ago

Gill eager to put October behind while Kansas fans are eager to put Gill behind.

otjhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

To anyone who thinks that Gil hasn't had enough time:

If I hear another person talk about him not having enough time, empty cupboard, or strength of schedule I'll go crazy. MM lead us to the Tangerine Bowl in his second year. Which was a huge improvement from his first year. And if you think he has left an empty cupboard go back and look at MM's recruiting classes how many of them were good. He took players that other schools didn't want and developed them into stars. If you think a bad schedule is to partly blame we are never going to get better in your mind because i'm pretty sure we play the same teams every year. SO if Gil can't handle the schedule he needs to GO!!!

MDHawk 3 years, 9 months ago

I don't necessarily disagree with all your points, but MM's schedule in 2003 wasn't even close to Gill's this year. Despite a much easier schedule, he only won 3 Big XII games that year...Baylor, Iowa State, and Missouri. The only quality win that year, really, was against Missouri. That said, I don't think we're going to win even one conference game this year.

Cupboard bare argument...I kinda agree with you. He had a whole team of kids to coach, whether he recruited them or not...and he's largely failed to be competitive this year with several of his own recruits. He's just tried desperately to convince us they're improving, when if that were truly the case, he wouldn't need to. I'd be up for giving him one more year if our team was so obviously awful this year...if we'd at least competed in some of these games.

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David Atchley 3 years, 9 months ago

Saturday marked the first time in UT history that "2" freshman running backs each had over 100 yards rushing apiece. Macolm Brown and Joe Bergeron were the #1 rated running back in the State of Texas last year, and Bergeron was the #4 rated back.

When you think of all of the Heisman running backs, the Tyler Rose, Earl Campbell, Ricky Williams, Priest Holmes, Eric Metcalf, Cedric Benson, Jamaal Charles, etc, that is quite a feat.

The good news is the #1 rated running back out of Texas this year is "Jonathan Gray, who scouts claim is a hybrid between Ladanian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson.

The point being is Mike Leach, Chad Morris, are two HC candidates that have the access inside the very same high schools and carry the same amount of clout as OU or UT. It is one of the key elements and should be requirements for any HC prospect considered. Turner Gill has that cache' in Nebraska, not Texas.

Ethan Berger 3 years, 9 months ago

My biggest question with Leech is will players play for him. all coaches have to say when competing for a recruit is "hey if you get injured, he locks you in a closet." Personally I believe James was being a baby but once you have a reputation, you always have a reputation.

David Atchley 3 years, 9 months ago

People in Texas and Texas high schools truly know the fraud and hypocrite that is Craig James and that goes double for his kid. What Leach should have done is kicked the kid off the team when he had the chance.

Wes Welker, Graham Harrell, Michael Crabtree, will all tell you they loved playing for Mike Leach. There are 400 Division 1 football players in Texas high schools. In order to compete for the top 1/3 of those kids, you have to be able to have complete access to them via their high school football coach. Mike Leach and Chad Morris have that access.

ja3hawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Anyone else see this: Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes, Fla.) defensive back Daniel Gray has decommitted from Kansas according to the South-Florida Sun Sentinel. The 5-foot-10, 165-pounder committed to the Jayhawks in May over offers from Florida International and Texas Tech.

shocking...

kellerman411 3 years, 9 months ago

It's fans like these that put Tim Tebow on the field in Denver. That is working out perfectly. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure everyone here has experience managing a major athletic program.

coolhand357 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm relatively sure that a coach put Tim Tebow on the field in Denver.

squawkhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

Not dead...just on life support. Someone please pull the plug.

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