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Monday, October 31, 2011

Not dead yet: Turner Gill eager to put October behind

In the spirit of Halloween, a Texas fan hoists a skeletal effigy of the Jayhawks during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium.

In the spirit of Halloween, a Texas fan hoists a skeletal effigy of the Jayhawks during the fourth quarter on Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011 at Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium.

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It doesn’t take much to figure out how fans feel about the current state of Kansas University football program.

A quick search of KU message boards, Twitter or talk radio provides a colorful, and sometimes brutal, synopsis. But with his team mired in a six-game losing streak and sitting at 2-6 overall and 0-5 in Big 12 play, Kansas coach Turner Gill doesn’t seem rattled by the negativity that’s out there.

“I understand the fans’ (perspective),” Gill said Sunday night. “I don’t know all that, but, just like myself, you would like to have a better situation than we had in October. But we do have the month of November here, and we just need to finish and give our fans some things so they can see that things are definitely making progress in this program and moving forward in a good way. We’re trying to build on a steady basis to be competing for championships.”

At this point — just two days removed from a 43-0 loss at Texas, the latest in a long line of lows for the Jayhawks — things have become pretty routine with Gill’s crew: Work hard and think positive thoughts during the week, suffer an embarrassing letdown on Saturday and show up Sunday ready to put it all behind them. Despite being stuck in a rut, Gill said the team had held together.

During his weekly phone call with reporters Sunday night, Gill was asked if he thought he or his staff had lost the team. His answer?

“No. No. No. Not at all,” he said.

That aspect of KU’s recent struggles seems to be the one that matters most to Gill. While he said he could sympathize with all the disappointment out there, he emphasized that the focus remained on his team and the final four weeks of the season.

“I’m just worried about trying to get our football team ready,” he said. “Obviously, I understand we’re not as productive as myself or the fans or anybody would like to be. But I know we’re trying to make sure that we finish this season up good, and I think that’s the key thing right now. We’ve got an opportunity with these next four games. As we all know, in most cases, you’re more remembered by what you do in November and hopefully we can make a good statement.”

Film reveals failure up front

A day after watching his offense limp to 46 yards, three first downs and minus-2 rushing yards in the loss to the Longhorns, Gill and his coaching staff watched the game film while keeping an eye out for just what went wrong that allowed UT to hold Kansas more than 350 yards below its season average. They found a clear answer.

“Our guys up front just couldn’t knock ’em off the ball, couldn’t make any creases,” Gill said. “We just couldn’t get any rhythm going.”

UT used new look

Part of the reason Texas was able to gouge Kansas for 441 rushing yards was its use of a new offensive formation.

Gill said Sunday that, on certain running plays, the Longhorns created an unbalanced look by using an extra offensive lineman. The extra run-blocker, a reserve who wore No. 82, allowed UT to put four lineman to one side, opening up big hole after big hole against the KU defense.

“They put him in at that tight-end spot, but he actually was an offensive lineman,” Gill said. “That was the only thing that was different, (from what we’d seen) and, obviously, they gained a lot of yards in running that one play.”

Other than that new wrinkle, Gill said Texas did not do anything out of the ordinary.

“I can’t say anything was a total surprise, as far as what they did,” he said.

ISU favored by 13.5

Iowa State, which KU will play in Ames, Iowa, at 11:30 a.m. Saturday, opened as a 13.5-point favorite against the Jayhawks. By Sunday night, the line already had crept up as much as a point and a half.

The Cyclones are the eighth-straight opponent to be favored against the Jayhawks.

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squawkhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Not dead...just on life support. Someone please pull the plug.

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Jason Keller 2 years, 5 months ago

It's fans like these that put Tim Tebow on the field in Denver. That is working out perfectly. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure everyone here has experience managing a major athletic program.

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ja3hawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Anyone else see this: Boyd Anderson (Lauderdale Lakes, Fla.) defensive back Daniel Gray has decommitted from Kansas according to the South-Florida Sun Sentinel. The 5-foot-10, 165-pounder committed to the Jayhawks in May over offers from Florida International and Texas Tech.

shocking...

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demonfury 2 years, 5 months ago

Gill has got to go before the alumni completely shut off the cash spigot. With recruiting as it is, and the outlook of a season even worse than the last one, you cannot risk booster abandonment anymore. He has to go, plain and simple. He has not shown any significant improvement in any aspect of his job. Statistics aside, he has shown us that he is not suitable for this job. He is simply buying time and staying low key until his ship rolls in next month. He will get his multi-million dollar payday and ride off into the sunset, laughing all the way to the bank. One of the worst decisions KU has ever made. Although I have a feeling we will feel likewise about the current chancellor once her tenure is complete.

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mustlehustle 2 years, 5 months ago

Saturday marked the first time in UT history that "2" freshman running backs each had over 100 yards rushing apiece. Macolm Brown and Joe Bergeron were the #1 rated running back in the State of Texas last year, and Bergeron was the #4 rated back.

When you think of all of the Heisman running backs, the Tyler Rose, Earl Campbell, Ricky Williams, Priest Holmes, Eric Metcalf, Cedric Benson, Jamaal Charles, etc, that is quite a feat.

The good news is the #1 rated running back out of Texas this year is "Jonathan Gray, who scouts claim is a hybrid between Ladanian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson.

The point being is Mike Leach, Chad Morris, are two HC candidates that have the access inside the very same high schools and carry the same amount of clout as OU or UT. It is one of the key elements and should be requirements for any HC prospect considered. Turner Gill has that cache' in Nebraska, not Texas.

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Kansas1241 2 years, 5 months ago

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otjhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

To anyone who thinks that Gil hasn't had enough time:

If I hear another person talk about him not having enough time, empty cupboard, or strength of schedule I'll go crazy. MM lead us to the Tangerine Bowl in his second year. Which was a huge improvement from his first year. And if you think he has left an empty cupboard go back and look at MM's recruiting classes how many of them were good. He took players that other schools didn't want and developed them into stars. If you think a bad schedule is to partly blame we are never going to get better in your mind because i'm pretty sure we play the same teams every year. SO if Gil can't handle the schedule he needs to GO!!!

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bennettcl 2 years, 5 months ago

Gill eager to put October behind while Kansas fans are eager to put Gill behind.

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LngTimeFan 2 years, 5 months ago

Gill is not only inept, he is incompetent. He MUST go NOW. I have never seen a more clueless coach ever. Being a good player does not make one a good coach. KU made a horrible decision to hire Gill, cut bait, pay him and move on. Alumni contributions will whither to zero if he stays. Players need to be tough. They will be yelled at no matter where they go and if they can't take it quit football. Grow up. Move on now. My giving to the Wms Fund is stopped and won't resume until Gill is gone. This is not hating, this is about the wrong person being in a position for which they are not prepared. Enough already.

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middleoftheroader 2 years, 5 months ago

West Virginia filing suit vs. Big East

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Kenneth Hillman 2 years, 5 months ago

It will financially burden KU in the short term to get rid of Gill because of his contract but we cannot afford to continue to go down the path we are going. We are becoming the worst football team in the country (statistically we are there this season) with the only football stadium that has a track around it. We won the Orange Bowl 3 YEARS AGO! What the F is going on??? This is NOT good with all of the conference realignment going on. We have to find the money to get rid of Gill and his staff, find money for a new coach and staff, and find money to update our football stadium. If we do not do that asap, we are going to be screwed. Gill is in way over his head and our default "defensive coordinator" is as well. I do not expect us to be in BCS bowls every year but I do expect to make it to a bowl MOST years, say 2 out of 3, (that's a .500 record) and to be able to watch a competent, competitive team. We are not going to get the best recruits at KU but we get enough talent that when coached, can be competitive and win some games. Please Please Please make this happen Mr. AD.

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

we are currently losing games this year by about a touchdown more that we did last year. Last year our margin per loss averaged 27 points, this year so far the average loss has been by 34. Where is the improvement Gill and his fans see? Help me?

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bjejayhawk69 2 years, 5 months ago

20-30 at Buffalo - impressive ???

He was never even a coordinator at Nebraska - and why was he not groomed to be their next head coach with all their recent coaching changes. Dr. Tom surely would have rather have one his own if he thought he had what it takes. Gill is nice guy but that is one of the reasons he is having trouble at this level. There is no fear of under performance by his players plus I don't think he really knows how to go about proper game planning, in game adjustments and proper strength and conditioning.

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rcjallday 2 years, 5 months ago

Saying Gill is ill prepared is ridiculous. He has been a Division 1 head coach, at Nebraska in their prime, been in the NFL, and his assistants are generally impressive. I would like to see some variety on the offensive side of the ball. I like Coach Long as a person, but the pro style offense is boring and not terribly hard to defend. Switching to more of a spread style would be helpful. If you have to outscore teams to win, at least this might be more feasible. They could still run the ball out of a spread, and space is advantageous when you have exciting running backs in Sims, Bourbon, Miller, and Pierson.

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bjejayhawk69 2 years, 5 months ago

Finally most all can agree the Gill experiment is going nowhere. Perkins and few under performing players and their parents caused the Mangino conspiracy. Most KU fans that understand our history were fine with Mangino. History has shown the only way to win not only at KU but any where you can't be a nice guy all the time. The team gets soft and there is no accountability for underperformance/mistakes etc.

The problem is the athletic dept is in a financial mess - still paying off contracts and facility upgrades but keeping Gill will send this program into such oblivion it will take years to pull out of. Maybe Gill will take a buy out of less than his contract - maybe not. Regardless the plug has to be pulled.

Leavitt is my top choice. The whole being abusive to player stuff is a joke. Football coaching is not milk and cookies - players are disciplined at all schools - at KU it was used as a crutch to get ride of Mangino. Leavitt has the fire and experience to produce results and get our fan base motivated to get back behind the program. More importantly Zenger has a relationship with him that could get him to come here.

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babyjay1 2 years, 5 months ago

I also understand that a coach should be given more than 1 1/2 years before deciding his future. However, in listening to both local and national sports analysts, they have been saying that is generally true... Except... when it is just obvious that things are not right, it is almost beyond fixing and ruining the team's future potential. I do think that is where we are with Gill and because of that, he needs to go this year! Also, Leavitt and Leach's names are being put out there as replacements and apparently, Zenger has relationships with both of them.

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MDHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Since I have no say in whether or not Coach Gill is given another year or two to right the ship, I instead will indulge a little what if regarding who might replace him. A friend of mine and I were discussing potential coaching replacements, and one name came up that seemed equally interesting and impossible. The only name I've heard on here has been Leach...but what about Urban Meyer?

Sure, KU football is a far cry from the program he ran in Florida, but he quit that program for health reasons. If he were to get back into coaching, I've heard he might perhaps be looking for a program in a competitive league but with less expectations (a.k.a. a basketball first school). I told my friend he was crazy for thinking it, but for the sake of talking about someone not named Leach, here you go.

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Pbbut 2 years, 5 months ago

The issues with the athletic department can be fixed, but as we've seen with nearly every major school in every major conference in the country, the health and success of the department is connected to a healthy football program.
The football program can get better, but the biggest problem is the initial cost. How do you fire a guy at $2M a year and hire a guy for less to come in and improve it? Perkins really screwed this up. It's like he thought if he paid Gill this much, he'd do the job of a FBS head football coach. Wrong!

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142466 2 years, 5 months ago

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rcjallday 2 years, 5 months ago

To fire a coach after 2 years is unfathomable. Unless you violated NCAA rules or some sort of misconduct, there is no reason that Gill won't be back. They haven't looked good, sure, but 70% of the roster are underclassmen. That is a huge disparity. Also, Gill's rebuilding job is incredibly difficult. With the Big 12 being all one division, playing OU, Texas, and OSU every year is a tremendous challenge.I think that Mangino left the cabinet much more bare then people realize, and fans need to calm down a bit. Lastly, we were only expected to go 3-9 at best, so why fans think that all of a sudden we should be beating these ranked teams every week is ridiculous. Really, they are on path with what the preseason prognosticators think. Iowa State would be a big win, and I think they have a realistic shot in the ballgame.

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Ryan Shelton 2 years, 5 months ago

If Coach Gill is involved in some scandle, fire him. If not, then any remarks made about firing him are far too premature.

When Coach Willingham was fired at Notre Dame, I cried foul because they only gave him three years to get it done. Most understand that you have to give a coach time.

How can we really be calling for Coach Gill's job after a 1 and 1/2 seasons? Does any reasonable person actually think you can take a team that finished its last two months without a win, and who had the majority of its starters lost to graduation, and turn it around in two years in a league as tough as the Big XII? That's the most rediculous thought ever!

Give the man a chance. I would like to see some improvement in competitiveness, sure, but I also know that if the name on the front of the jersey isn't OU or Texas, you're just not going to see many miracles in a mere two years of rebuilding.

Consider the fact that we're playing numerous freshmen and only have ONE of Coach Gill's recruiting classes in the system, half of whom are redshirted. Then consider that most on this site last year said 3-9 would be a good record for these Hawks. Now we have a little bit of sensibility.

Since I am in the minority on this and not many here are patient and feel like they can predict the future, feel free to pile on me. I supported Coach Mangino, and I will continue to support Coach Gill.

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coolhand357 2 years, 5 months ago

Time to fix the hole in the boat and get off this island.

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sava12 2 years, 5 months ago

After 1 1/2 years I'm still on the fence. I see things that are big coaching errors but maybe I'm missing something. Personally, I thought they would be more competitive on defense and not make the same errors they made last year. However, I tend to lean towards giving the coaching staff 3 years. I'm just wondering what results and what timeline (2nd year, 3rd year, 4th year, ect) you'd like to see for you to be satisfied. I'm not pointing fingers, telling you to have patience, or arguing against your opinions. It's a poll. RCJH / RLTW

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jchief40 2 years, 5 months ago

I believe in Turner Gill but unfortunately our opponents do too :(

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jrbill67 2 years, 5 months ago

So why is November going to be any better now that October is behind us? New players? New coaches? What happened?

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misfire 2 years, 5 months ago

I miss Mangino. Wouldn't it be ironic if KSU hired Mangino to replace Snyder when he retires the second time?

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ZDKC 2 years, 5 months ago

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FreddyinLA 2 years, 5 months ago

Trap, Trap, Trap game this weekend. ISU coming off huuuuuge road win. Coming back home to play a terrible KU team. No way can they get up for this game.

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

This team is like a ship adrift at sea. Gill's pressers almost make you feel sorry for the guy. I really think he has no clue what to do at this point....except take his 167,000 weekly pay check to the bank. Does anyone think we are getting our two mill a year's money worth?

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MorganR 2 years, 5 months ago

I continue to support coach Gill and urge patience. KU has run through several coaches over the decades and we have had little success. If we do need to seek a new coach, I think we need to demonstrate patience to attract a good coach.

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danmoore 2 years, 5 months ago

I feel sorry for this team. No one should have to suffer this type of humiliation. The end of the season can not arrive fast enough.

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Eric Dawson 2 years, 5 months ago

"Not dead yet" Unfortunately this is not a Monty Python film. After last week there is no pulse, and there has been no brain activity in months. Zenger's only chance to bring KUFB back from the dead in time for next season? A radical Gillectomy on Nov 28, combined with a Longotomy and selective treatment of other serious Staph problems. The really hard part for Zenger will be finding the right subjects for the necessary major limb grafts needed afterwards.

An (unfortunately) thematically appropriate frightening scenario for KU on this All Hallows Eve.

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jhwkfan162515 2 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone remember a few years back when Charles Barkley had a hissy fit and cried racism because Auburn passed up Turner Gill for Gene Chizik? Well now, three years later, Chizik has taken Auburn to a national championship, and Turner Gill is running Kansas into the ground. Barkley looks like a bigger imbecile with each passing week of this abortion of a football season.

Fire Turner Gill!

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Theodore Thadogweadore 2 years, 5 months ago

The headline should have read "Kansas eager to put Turner Gill behind."

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bennettcl 2 years, 5 months ago

"definitely making progress in this program and moving forward in a good way"

NEWSFLASH: You're team is showing no progress and certainly isn't showing anything that could be considered "good"

"We’re trying to build on a steady basis to be competing for championships.”

Quit talking about building to win championships. Set realistic goals, like building to win one conference game in a season. Quit focusing on winning the league and focus on trying to get bowl eligible. The odds of KU winning the league or any championship is slim to none, so quit setting unrealistic goals. Try focusing on not being the laughing stock of the FBS each week by finding new ways to embarrass yourself, your coaching staff, your players, and your fan base.

I'm tired of watching news conferences and gridiron videos that show Gill delivering empty words like "execute", "believe", "focus", and "tenacity". If Gill spent as much time developing a game plan as he does making up "motivational" words and quotes, maybe we could compete, but as long as Gill is in charge, this team is going no where fast.

When our players see "NOWHERE" on the board they see "No Where" instead of "Now Here", because with Gill Now Here, this team is going No Where.

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middleoftheroader 2 years, 5 months ago

I agree with hawk from hays, there is no way Turner survives this, whether he should or shouldnt is no longer the point, he wont coach at KU next season. Instead of arguing whether he is worthless or not, lets discuss who we want to have as HC, and separately who we think Zenger WILL hire as HC.(pipedreams aside).

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Jack Brooks 2 years, 5 months ago

I wake up every morning and look at KUSports.com to see if there has been some sort of coaching change, even if it's just Shealy who's fired (and he really should be). Alas, every morning I'm disappointed.

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Phoghorn 2 years, 5 months ago

Hey, I have been as supportive of Gill as anyone, and I will continue to support him as long has he is our coach.

BUT...this is really getting painful. My Pastor is a Longhorn grad...my oh my was it hard to show my face a Church yesterday...

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

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Dyrk Dugan 2 years, 5 months ago

jhaux hinted at it....but let's explore more fully shall we?

ISU is now using a frosh quarterback...and he's doing well. they just whipped TTech on the road for their first league win. our QB, while serviceable, has won NO Big 12 games....not a one. and really hasn't come close. the difference is, we have no one in the pipeline.

is it all his fault? of course not...but under 50 total yards? you're telling me he couldn't make one read at a defense...one sequence of plays to get a drive going....he couldn't do it ONCE? vs. a team that gave up more points to OU than we allowed.

Nope. Webb cannot be the QB next year...no matter who the coach is. our offense has now come full circle. we were running the ball like crazy...now we go for -2 yards...why? we don't throw the ball down the field...because the coaches don't have confidence in our QB to get it done. defenses don't have to worry about the pass, so they gang up the receivers and our o-line...and we can do nothing. we put up 245 yards in the 1st half vs. OU....we haven't gained 350 yards since...and we've played 10 quarters.

i said in the summer, that we would eventually be going to Berglund because Webb will have his shot, and if we were losing, then BB should get the call. well, for various reasons most of it his own doing, Brock is unavailable. Cummings has already been announced he'll redshirt...so we're stuck. we're stuck with a QB that has definitely peaked out in production. he's not getting BETTER. and that's the crux of this whole team. we, as fans, don't see the improvement on the field. is it talent? or is it coaching? definitely both....but i would like to see this coach, coach HIS talent. and it's not here yet.

be that as it may, i posted after the KSU loss that that this week was it. it's a win or else game. ISU, despite their pasting of TTech in Lubbock, is still a team we should compete with. if Jordan Webb is EVER going to get his first league win, this is the week to do it. (Gill has yet to win on the road anywhere while at KU).

it's put up or shut up. Win the ballgame, Gill stays. lose, and nobody can save him. his fate is unclear. Go Jayhawks!

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KEITHMILES05 2 years, 5 months ago

KUAC has such a huge debt load it'll take a miracle to find 10 million to take care of all the contracts of Gill and coaches. Yeah, most people are pissed but most people will not donate funds to satisfy his departing monies owed. Hence, all your crazy anger means nothing to KUAC unless you are going to pony up........which you won't.

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Keith Hummel 2 years, 5 months ago

Ah yes, because our odds of winning a game in November are so much greater. Now instead of being 25 point underdogs we are only 15 point underdogs. Progress indeed!

I've got news for Coach Gill, November isn't going to be any better. In case he hadn't noticed, ISU embarrassed Texas Tech on Saturday. They smell blood and will use the Jayhawks as blocking dummies. Then, the following week, Kansas will get more National notoriety when Baylor comes to town and we set the all-time record for fewest fans at a Div-1 football game. That will be followed up by a parting gift from aTm, who likely hasn't forgotten that KU sided with Baylor. Then this miserable season will come to a humiliating end when MU dances on our grave in front of 60,000-70,000 MU fans in Arrowhead. And you can forget about anyone overlooking Kansas, as every single school we play now will likely need the KU win to obtain bowl eligibility.

Eager to put October behind? Sorry, but I'm more eager to put the Gill Era behind.

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James Naismith 2 years, 5 months ago

Why isnt the QB who led KU to its' largest comeback ever even sniffing the field? Quinn can at least throw the ball. As it says on the official football site, Quinn Mecham "Threw for 252 yards and two touchdowns while leading Kansas to a 28-point comeback win against Colorado."

The argument that because he is a senior and we are deverloping younger guys won't fly, becasue Webb is not the future.

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Mike Barnhart 2 years, 5 months ago

Ahh yes, the old "what's-his-name was wearing a tricky number" scam. Fools the good teams every time. What's next, the old "quarter behind the ear" play?

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Chris Condren 2 years, 5 months ago

Coach Gill is a total joke. He tries to talk like a head coach but all we get from him are empty words. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Then the embarrassing losses pile up higher and higher. I will be glad when this clown is fired ending this two year nightmare.

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nuleafjhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

" ISU favored by 13.5 "

I was just wondering if that statement had EVER been made before?

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nb4ku 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm starting to see the improvement in our team that HCTG keeps talking about.........

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 5 months ago

Coach Gill, as the team saw an usual formation, could you explain what in game adjustments you made? Or did you decide when they used that formation you were always just going to let them have 10-15 yards or more.

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fansincewilt 2 years, 5 months ago

I agree that there is still opportunity to end this season on a positive note. It can happen. I think we have the most positive guy in the Big 12. Something good has got to happen.

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actorman 2 years, 5 months ago

You're right, willie, it's hard to imagine an athletic department being any worse than this one--maybe ever. There definitely need to be some wholesale changes made. The next year will give us a good insight into whether our AD is any more valuable than our football coach.

And TG's words are completely meaningless at this point. Let's just get this damn, miserable excuse for a season overwith.

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willie_fu_fu 2 years, 5 months ago

The KU athletic department is dead. Currently the combined records of Football, Volleyball and Soccer is 4-20 in conference. Last year the combined record of Volleyball, Mens and Womens Basketball, Baseball and Softball Tennis and Soccer was 53-82 in conference play. Take out Mens Basketball and KU was 33-80 in those sports. Shay-Z needs to make alot of changes.

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Mo Mosallaei 2 years, 5 months ago

Turner Gill is definitely not worthless. I believe he's worth about $10 million.

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johnnyhrdwd 2 years, 5 months ago

It was the no name reserve tackle they played at tight end, so they could run clock and get the game over with. We're goin all the way next year.

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kuilander 2 years, 5 months ago

hearing this man utter the word championships makes my stomach turn. he says texas really didnt do anything that was a surprise, well then tell me how you scored doughnut then ... zero, zilch, negative rushing yards!!!! this man cannot gameplan to save his life. and oh, the big recruiter he is ... scout has us ranked in the 70's ... yeah great recruiter.

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HawkfromHays 2 years, 5 months ago

He will not survive this. Mark it down: Turner Gill will not be coaching at KU next year. I don't are how much money it costs they will find a way.

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KU_Alumn_2000 2 years, 5 months ago

Class act Cmill1221. Coach Gill isn't worthless.

Yes he is struggling as a coach...but worthless is a little harsh.

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Cmill1221 2 years, 5 months ago

Willams fund donation: $10,000

Season tickets: $800

Turner Gill: WORTHLESS!!!!

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Funhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

More fun, useless sports trivia. “Where Are They Now?” Zach Stoudt, the hot shot juco quarterback every commentator on this website wanted for 2011 KU quarterback. He chose Ole Miss over KU.
Ole Miss is 2-6, losing all SEC conference games to date. Mr. Stoudt started the first three games, beating out three other Ole Miss quarterbacks in the pre-season. First three games his yards passing were 140, 118, and 139, with 50% completion. He threw for two touchdowns total in these three games. But, he threw five interceptions in the third game, being routed by bottom feeder Vanderbilt. Mr. Stoudt was replaced after the third game and he has not seen the playing field since. His replacement was a two time All-American quarterback, also from a juco; but adjustment from a juco to SEC has been difficult for both. Source: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/145/ole-miss-rebels.

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