Originally published October 30, 2011 at 06:26p.m., updated October 31, 2011 at 12:00a.m.

Kansas guards Tyshawn Taylor, Elijah Johnson will miss KU’s two exhibition games for violation of team rules

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor talks with media members about his thoughts on defending the Illinois guards on Saturday, March 19, 2011 at the BOK Center in Tulsa.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor talks with media members about his thoughts on defending the Illinois guards on Saturday, March 19, 2011 at the BOK Center in Tulsa.


Kansas University guards Tyshawn Taylor and Elijah Johnson will not participate in KU’s two exhibition basketball games for violating a team rule during the offseason, coach Bill Self announced Sunday night.

Self did not reveal the rule that was broken.

The two are slated to miss Tuesday’s 7 p.m. opener against Pittsburg State and a 7 p.m. contest on Nov. 8 versus Fort Hays State. Forward Thomas Robinson, who suffered a hyperextended left knee Thursday, is listed as questionable for the Pitt State game, leaving KU with five recruited scholarship players possibly available for duty.

“Tyshawn and Elijah have both been terrific since school began in August,” Self said Sunday. “They’ve not only performed well, they have been very responsible and disciplined the first few months of the school year. But during the offseason they violated a rule that I told them, because of some past experiences, their punishment was going to be severe and I was going to hold them out of the two exhibition games. They have been aware of this for several months and also are disappointed, but have had very positive attitudes about it.

“I will not comment about this further,” Self added. “Losing two players and Thomas (Robinson) being questionable for Tuesday’s game probably changes the look of our team as much as anyone in the country. This gives a chance for our young guys to play under the lights and see how they react.”

The recruited scholarship players definitely available for Tuesday’s game: freshmen guards Naadir Tharpe and Merv Lindsay, junior forwards Travis Releford and Kevin Young and junior center Jeff Withey. Former walk-ons/current scholarship players Conner Teahan (guard) and Justin Wesley (forward) also are available for the Pitt State game, as well as walk-on guards Jordan Juenemann (senior), Niko Roberts (sophomore) and Christian Garrett (freshman).

Anthony West, a 6-foot-6 sophomore from SM East, is practicing with the team but has not yet been officially added to the roster.

Taylor, a senior from Hoboken, N.J., and Johnson, a junior from Las Vegas, each were suspended two games a year ago. They will be available for the regular-season opener against Towson on Nov. 11.

No contact: Robinson, a 6-10 junior from Washington, D.C., who was injured Thursday when two teammates collided into him as he chased a loose ball, participated in noncontact drills at Sunday’s practice.

Pitt State has veteran team: Second-year Pitt State coach Kevin Muff welcomes back the Gorillas’ top four scorers from last year’s 13-13 team. Senior guard Eric Ray averaged a team-leading 12.2 ppg, followed by senior forward Eric Marshall (9.8 ppg), senior forward Andra Bailey (9.2 ppg) and junior guard Courtney Ingram (9.0 ppg). The 2010-11 Gorillas were picked to finish fifth in the 12-team Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association by the league coaches and seventh by the media.

Taylor rated 11th: Taylor is the No. 11-rated point guard in college basketball according to ESPN analyst Jay Williams. North Carolina’s Kendall Marshall is No. 1, followed by Jordan Taylor (Wisconsin), Tu Holloway (Xavier), Myck Kabongo (Texas), Marquis Teague (Kentucky), Ashton Gibbs (Pitt), Josiah Turner (Arizona), Aaron Craft (Ohio State), Maalik Wayns (Villanova), Scoop Jardine (Syracuse).


pepper_bar 9 years, 7 months ago

"Bill Self" and "disciplinarian" are not really words that have ever belonged in the same sentence.

pepper_bar 9 years, 7 months ago

Nope. Self's teams and players are notorious for low discipline, especially during the Morrii era.

AaronHawk19 9 years, 7 months ago

Completely wrong! Self punished the Morris twins for every on and off court incident.

pepper_bar 9 years, 7 months ago

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Dan Pawlowski 9 years, 7 months ago

That reply does not even attempt to back up your assertion.

andersonalex 9 years, 7 months ago

No, there's no need for that.. It comes down to recorded facts. Those of us who have read the articles over the years can tell you about numerous occasions where players have been punished in various ways, by Bill Self, for breaking rules. There are even players who were thrown off the team.

So it's simply not in the realm of opinions that can be "agreed to be disagreed upon." You are certainly incorrect. You stated an absolute - "not ever belonged in the same sentence." And the fact is that Bill Self has served as the disciplinarian on multiple, documented occasions.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Self cannot stop teenage boys from being stupid.

When he finds out they have been stupid - he deals with it.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

That's a good point - if they happen to be thinking about the coach at the time.

I consider myself a pretty good citizen - even when I was a kid. And I respect my dad a lot. But I've done some pretty stupid things in my day - never considering anyone elses feelings or the consequences.

To me, it's more of a character issue with TT, regardless of whose authority he's under at the time.

But I certainly see your point of view.

nothingbutbasketball18 9 years, 7 months ago

Well at least it's only the exhibition games...

BlackVelvet 9 years, 7 months ago

Doesn't Tyshawn Taylor seem to have a habit of violating "team rules" ?

bradynsdad 9 years, 7 months ago

So we have five guys available for the exhibition game. Hope we don't look like Arizona.

gerald_bostock 9 years, 7 months ago

hopefully this gives incentive to the younger guys to step up

Andrew Washington 9 years, 7 months ago

Wow, we really cant have any more of this.. pitt state actually has a chance now!

Dyrk Dugan 9 years, 7 months ago

i can see it now....our first loss in an exhibition game to one of the two Div II schools we now play every year.

the season hasn't even really started yet and our depth is past the concern's the whole story.

i really can't see this year as anything but a could really be a long year.

Dana Brown 9 years, 7 months ago

fun hawk nice pic. where did you get her? Sorry to interrupt.. carry on.

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 7 months ago

TRel should be our top scorer in these two games now. Withey will be a close second, though.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 7 months ago

Well whiskey, tango, firefox! This could be great to give others some much needed minutes, but not the preferred option to obtain them. Surely not bar-hopping or twitter. These guys would never do that.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

wow, really your complaining about tweets? I find nothing wrong with any of these tweets, what exactly do you find questionable about them? Half the time his tweets are lyrics, just like when he got his facebook suspended. God forbid these young black athletes listen to young black men rap!!! Drake said it best, "I swear sports and music are so synonomous, ’cause we wanna be them, and they wanna be us. yeah so on behalf of the demanded, and the entertainment that you take for granted. you could thank me now..."

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

i think your confusing riled up and sarcasm. maybe you should reread that Drake quote.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Actually I will, a couple new albums i've been waiting for came out, the anniversary of Jam Master Jay's murder is upon us, and theres always Tupac. I mean he's been gone how long, and he still seems to have a new album pop up here and there. Its better to hear that, than most of this screaming, mindless, auto-tuned mumbo jumbo that is played on the radio now days. Its not like the Beetles are coming out with anymore albums, so you have to find something new, while still mixing in the old.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

oh god this just in, he retweeted something Nick Bradford tweeted. Such bad character issues!!!!! smh

REHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

A bar scene or twitter: precisely my thoughts. Some guys never learn. If I were an NBA scout, I would have a tough time passing positive judgment on Taylor. His leopard spots are bone deep. A terrific talent, but a perennial screwup. Come on, Naadir, seize the moment to establish yourself as the looming heir apparent to grab that starting point guard spot the next time Tyshawn falters!

Steve Jacob 9 years, 7 months ago

Suspended for preseason games, that is a joke of a punishment. But it sounds like a lot, so win-win for Bill Self.

milehighhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

So who are the starting five?

Tharpe Teahan Releford T-Rob (or Young) Withey

Jabez Harlan 9 years, 7 months ago

Tharpe Teahan Releford Wesley Withey

Jueneman and Roberts coming off the bench as guards

and Young subbing for Withey or Wesley

I am not sure how much Merv and Garrett will play. I guess if T-rob and "the twins" are out, everybody will get in the game at some point. Anybody know if the walk-on Andy West is eligible to play or just practice? He has been somewhat impressive at practice the past couple of days...

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

I would think Garrett would get to play at least some, he came in and practiced the whole 2nd semester last year. He should be farther along than any of the freshmen that came in. That doesnt exactly mean he's better than them though.

Randy Glenn 9 years, 7 months ago

This will give all the guys playing time in kind of a real game-we are going to need everyone to step up this season and I know they will.

Ben Simonett 9 years, 7 months ago

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drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Wow, suspended for 2 exhibition games. ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!! Get over it! My God, you'd think he killed somebody, or went out and kidnapped someone. The guy probably did bad in a class, was a little late for curfew, out doing what every other college kid in the world was doing. You somehow hold these kids to completely different standards than any other college student. Yes, his college is paid for by the school, just like mine was paid for by fafsa and scholarships! Yes, he gets in trouble more than most, but what is the worst he's done? Got in a fight? Send him to the electric chair, this kid doesnt deserve his own freedom in life.... overreact much?

kusports1 9 years, 7 months ago

seriously, you are overreacting. these people are talking about a career of screw ups not this one occasional. he has goofed up many times through out his career at KU and this kind of news is getting old. there have been many good and great KU bball players through the years that you never heard their name mentioned for displinary actions. I don't really care what he did at this point. It's more about the fact that he did (or didn't) do something, AGAIN!

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

God forbid people get in trouble. If Jerry Jones had the same frame of mind that you do he'd probably be a couple super bowl rings lighter. Unless the guy does something epically wrong, et. multiple dui's, fights, failure to appears, or something that actually meaningful, then dog him. He's not missing important games, this will help the team with depth, and unless you actually hear of him doing something wrong, not just him being suspended then dont freak out. I mean, its not like he's Pacman Jones.

Andrew Washington 9 years, 7 months ago

..yeah you'll have to forgive us for holding our basketball players to higher standards.. Its not like they're representing our university or anything

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Right, just like you hold the football players, volleyball, womens basketball, soccer, swimming and diving teams..... oh wait, you only hold KU bball players to higher standards because they do one thing for you. Win, unless they do that for you, then you kindly point your nose up, and look the other way. Give me a break.

baldwinjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Of course they are held to a different standard they are on $ 100,000 scholarships representing KU... Duh!

Joe Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

The club was crackin' (BRush). Breaking curfew just made you run a little bit during practice. The story by Sherron about BRush is hilarious. Everyone else would lie about breaking curfew except BRush. Self would ask why did you break curfew Brandon and BRush said, "The club was crackin'."

DRsmith 9 years, 7 months ago

Severe? Now that is laughable, unless of course they were just tardy to a class or 2.

Jeff Coffman 9 years, 7 months ago

We still win by 30+.

Our bench is a lot stronger than people think.

jgkojak 9 years, 7 months ago

Self is pretty good at making lemonade from lemons -

I wonder if he was presented with an "opportunity" to discipline Taylor and Johnson, and thought "you know... I could make 'em run laps... or I could take 'em out of the exhibition games so I can see what else I have on that bench" -

I think he needs to find his 8th man and he's not sure who it is right now- this will give him a good chance to do that.

bradynsdad 9 years, 7 months ago

Ready for some rumor fun? I will start this one. I heard self told them that he was going to bench them and that robinsons hyperextension really wasn't nothing bad. Reason? He wants the bench to grow up fast. Remember we have Madison square garden early. He wants to know very soon, even if it is exhibition, who he can count on.

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 7 months ago

Robinson's hyperextension was bad enough that he could barely walk at the Ladies Night program. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be called "nothing bad."

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

if there's no structural damage then its "nothing bad." my little brother did the same thing last monday in football practice and played in the game friday.

Jabez Harlan 9 years, 7 months ago

Robinson was held out of practice as a precaution because of general soreness. Self is giving Young and Wesley a chance to practice with the first team. He has really been on them the past couple of days in practice too! T-Rob could have practiced, but as of now, he's already got what Wesley and Young are lacking, so why not hold Robinson out and bring up the inexperienced guys?

Kenny Terry 9 years, 7 months ago

I hope Tyshawn and Elijah can learn from this and put it behind them. They along with Trob will be our team leaders and help the young guys along on the team

Iandhi 9 years, 7 months ago

I think EJ and Tyshawn are taking this twins thing too far. EJ, you don't have to do everything Tyshawn does.

However, I could be wrong, maybe this is how you develop that esp-like ability the Morris twins appeared to posses on the court. Always knowing what the other one is thinking.

As the saying goes, "couples that get busted together stay together".

Kenny Terry 9 years, 7 months ago

If Tharpe is going to be running the point guard who subs in for him? Does Christian Garrett run point guard or is he more of a off or shooting guard?

Ben Kane 9 years, 7 months ago

once again, everyone weighing in with their moral judgements without a clue what actually happened.

tical523 9 years, 7 months ago

Did you read the previous comment? ? ? It does not matter what or how small the violation was. Are you implying that Bill is just suspending the guys for nothing at all, or to see other guys have to step up in these games? Get real

Tyler Bruce 9 years, 7 months ago

I agree tical

I do want to ask the question though, does anyone think all the problems we've had lately is hurting/ going to hurt recruiting? We already don't get classes like Kentucky (which is fine..) but we don't seem to get the kids that UNC, Duke, UCONN, Mich St., etc. get either. It feels like we have more problems than other big time programs.

Problems with the twins, turmoil with Selby, TT (every year) and now EJ, our "partial qualifiers".. That's a lot in a short span.

actorman 9 years, 7 months ago

As others have pointed out, chuckberry, it's not about what actually happened, it's about the fact that Self found it egregious enough to suspend him, even if it's only for two exhibition games. How could you NOT be concerned by Tyshawn's seemingly endless pattern of screwups, even if they are minor?

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

someones been listening to Steven A. Smith and Skip Bayless a lil too much. Egregious? Really? lol

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, if you havent watched ESPN First Take the past couple weeks you wouldnt understand.

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 7 months ago

Why would anyone who has a job....or a life watch first take?

Ben Kane 9 years, 7 months ago

I am concerned, and he has done things in the past, but we have no idea what has occurred. maybe he didn't eat all his vegetables.

Erin Troyer 9 years, 7 months ago

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cool_beans 9 years, 7 months ago

Jeff Withey is going to have a BIG year

NotWiller 9 years, 7 months ago

Releford goes off for 25 + on Tuesday night. Bank it.

squawkhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Perhaps the AD will sell tickets for half price now. It won't be much of a show with only a handful of players playing.

ZDKC 9 years, 7 months ago

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drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

So you just quoted Jadakiss, Lil Wayne, and a Cassidy lyric. What does that mean?

pepper_bar 9 years, 7 months ago

If you don't know, you're new to Kansas basketball. Point plankn!

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

That might be the most rediculous statement i've ever read. What does that even mean? I've been watching Kansas Basketball for years, went to a few games last year when time permitted. Partied on Mass after the final four and Championship in 08. Have watched every heartbreaking and awesome loss/win in the tourney the past 15 years. So please inform this guy (obviously new) what that means.

pepper_bar 9 years, 7 months ago

Obviously I don't need to explain, since you've been paying attention for so long.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Well being that I am only 24, there doesnt get to be much farther back than I can remember. Hey, though, they keep sayin kids these days just arent like they used to be!!!! No respect these days! lmao

flyingfinn 9 years, 7 months ago

My God you are a Senior at a great Universary and still acting like you're on the street corner with the boys in high school. Come on Tyshawn its time to grow up and provide some leadership.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Does nobody understand this was something that happened during the summer? How many articles have come out with HCBS applauding TT's work ethic and leadership since then? If he was really in the doghouse he'd be missing a lot more than just meaningless exhibition games. This has nothing to do with his leadership on the court. Also, quoting peoples twitter accounts mean nothing, they quote something that is a hot lyric to anyone that hears it and they quote it. Why is it a big deal? Im not from the ghetto or anything but i've quoted some of the exact same things. It doesnt make you a thug, it makes you a fan. The ultimate failure here is everyone forgetting that they have people they look up to, just as they have fans who look up to them. Reggie Miller was one of the biggest trash talkers in the game of bball and he was loved by most. Michael Jordan was one of the most egotistical bball players ever and he is the face of basketball. Paul Pierce plays with Kevin Garnett, the most vulgar, foul mouthed player to ever grace the game. These are who these players look up to, they tweet the same things as these college players, and yet its no big deal. The only big deal is how much the media has impacted our lives, and how much it makes people overreact to things that wouldnt have been a big deal 10-20 years ago.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 7 months ago

More word the the article. #who'smakingthisabigdeal?

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

did you just make a tagline on ljworld?

actorman 9 years, 7 months ago

I didn't read your whole post just here, drnater, but I think I got the gist of it. I think perhaps you're under the impression that people are ready to throw Tyshawn under the bus and I don't think that's the case. I find it interesting that, other than commenting on my choice of the word "egregious" (which has been one of my favorite words for years, by the way, and has nothing to do with Steven A. Smith or Skip Bayless), you didn't address what I said in my earlier post. The problem, again, is not this one incident, and any of us who read the article realize that it's not something that even happened recently. The problem is the ongoing pattern of these types of "minor" incidents. I think that pattern is a legitimate cause for concern. Does it mean we're giving up on the season and think Tyshawn should never appear in a KU game again? Absolutely not. Does it mean that a lot of us are worried that his lack of maturity is going to be a distraction and cause more problems than in the past because he's supposed to be one of the team leaders now? I believe so. (And I hope people forgive me for purporting to speak for more than just myself -- uh-oh, there I go using big words again!)

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

I find it funny that I make one comment about the word "egregious," and automatically my intelligence is insulted. For those of you who dont watch, Steven A. Smith and Skip Bayless get into some pretty epic debates on ESPN's First Take on Wednesdays. Steven used the word "egregious," while explaining why its an insult to the game for Tim Tebow to be a starting QB in the NFL. Now Skip uses it all the time as a joke.

With that out of the way, I just think too many people are getting their panties in a bunch over nothing. Yes, he's had prior suspensions. Yes, cause for concern is credible, but my goodness. People are on here calling him an idiot, moron, and other things like the dude hasn't eat, slept, bled, and breathed KU basketball for 3 years heading into his 4th and final. He has given all he has for his teammates and fans. Yet, we see he's gotten in trouble again, and instead of finding out what happened, or maybe have some understanding we just throw him under the bus. Its funny because the bball team has had a saying FOE for the past couple of years. The funny thing about that is, the team means it when they say it. Alumni and fans just throw it out there while its convenient, then as soon as something bad happens they throw it aside and the true colors come out. All i'm saying is, this doesnt change anything, they'll still be there to start the season. Coach Self doesnt seemed to worried, so why is everybody else?

Jackalope7 9 years, 7 months ago

To be honest, I think Tyshawn and Elijah act no different than any other studs on other campuses. We just hold our players to a higher standard as oppose to other programs. Think about it. It seems every season a player or two is held out of games at the beginning of the year because someone violated team rules. I don't really hear this sorta punishment out of any other programs, except BYU. Makes me think Coach Self runs a tight ship. But I do agree, this cra* is getting very old. Seems like no good news is coming out of Lawrence these days.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

No good news? We had a legends game, we landed a 5 star recruit, we have a pre-season All-American, were rated #13 in the nation even though our team isnt nearly as highly touted as previous years. Basketball gets into swing on tuesday, the season starts the 11th. There is plenty of good news, your just choosing not to realize it.

Jackalope7 9 years, 7 months ago

Not trying to be negative, yes, the legends game was out of this world. But, I follow recruiting very closely. It’s beyond me how Ben McL is a 4-star and not a 5-star recruit. Ben is going to be a absolute stud...but we won't find that out till next year(thanks NCAA). Traylor, I believe is a diamond in the rough...won't get to see him play till next year(thanks NCAA). Perry Eliss is a very good player, but a 5-star rating may be a little generous. I think he's a strong 4-star. Still would rather have Perry than not have Perry. At least we know Perry won't jump to the NBA anytime soon. And I don't know if you've been paying attention on Saturdays, but our Football team apparently hasn't been showing up to games. Finally, I hope T-Rob is as good as everyone thinks he's gonna be. But until I see his game develop beyond highlight reel dunks, I'm gonna be a little worried. But, I may be a little hard on the guy. Still hope T-Rob does great this year. We'll see what happens when T-Rob laces them up againt Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones III, Terrence Jones, and maybe Duke's Big Man down low(who's names escapes me now, if we play Duke in the Maui Classic). I am pumped about the start of Basketball thou. RCJH.

Tan Hong Woon 9 years, 7 months ago

An in-house discipline is much better than a NCAA discipline. I think coach Self do that lest a NCAA rule is violated in the future.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 7 months ago

Unbelievable! Leaders of our team? Yep, the bench for KU will need to step up. I will be watching Tuesday night to see how the freshmen stack up.

Robert Brock 9 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure that it is a minor item but Taylor is a senior and team leader; he knows better than to do anything wrong. Since he continues to routinely break rules it concerns me.

Jabez Harlan 9 years, 7 months ago

Look for Justin Wesley to have a big game if T-Rob is unable to go. Right now, Wesley is farther along in x's and o's than Kevin Young and he is a lot more explosive and stronger than Young at this point. Both of these guys pale in comparison to T-Rob's beastly nature, but Wesley will be a serviceable post backup for Withey and T-Rob during the season.

Man, he can really jump! We're talking elbows above the rim! He slammed home several lobs from Tharpe and Taylor in practice on Friday and Saturday!

Martin Rosenblum 9 years, 7 months ago

HCBS should sentence them to participate in Turner Gill's next practice. You know that one will be less than fun!

Theutus 9 years, 7 months ago

The one record TT will definitely be leaving KU with is "most suspensions in a 4 year career".

EverRisingHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Sorry for ignoring the conversation topic, but I was wanting to put a question to the Jayhawk nation. Do any of you know a site / resource for watching ku bball games if you are not in the states? I am working overseas, and if I miss the lion share of basketball seaon, then I will be heart broken. Anyone know any streaming sites / ways for watching? (beside, because it doesn't work over here for some reason...) Thanks so much fellow fans for any advice you have. And sorry for ignoring the topic of discussion...

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 7 months ago

Google first row sports, they carry almost everything. If not follow the live chats on ljw bc people post links all the time.

Stay thirsty...

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

EverRising - I'm sorry that I don't know of a place right now for you to watch the games, but I THANK you for ignoring the topic of discussion !!

goshenjhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

EverRising, one good site that I used all last year is -- password is Pioli. He faithfully has all the games. Rock Chalk!

Kristen Downing 9 years, 7 months ago

Ok, nobody is going to like this but, I hope we lose both exhibition games and may be the fans are a ittle less patient with these two guys than your posts exhibit. Did anyone believe Tyshawn could truly lead....seriously. Time bomb waitnig to happen. Maybe Thomas could tell them what real life has waiting for them when they don't make a NBA team. Team needs them now more than ever, means they are total jerks for screwing up a second chance.

Stephan123 9 years, 7 months ago

A couple serious injuries during the season and we are really up against it.

Kristen Downing 9 years, 7 months ago

I have as much hope for this team as I do for the football team and you fans are wearing rose colored glasses if you think differently. No injuries after looking at history(?) and Tyshawn Taylor as a leader.... please get real. I will still support them as long as they take off their rose colored glasses and realize that just because you go to Kansas does not promise anything, unless you focus and work hard. Tyshawn, focus, really. I better have another glass of fine california wine to buy into that. I am actually looking forward to the Gorillas kicking their butt to open their precious eyes.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Well if Tyshawn plays like he did after his suspension last year then we will be fine. He played lights out, along with Elijah. He stepped in and filled the role for Tyshawn perfectly. Thomas Robinson will have to play a little more under control, and that comes with minutes. You are seriously delusional if you think we will be anything like the football team. I think you need to stop sippin the wine, cuz its makin you wear rose colored glasses.

actorman 9 years, 7 months ago

Cajayfan, you ae joking, right?!?!? You can't POSSIBLY be saying that you expect the basketball team to be even remotely in the same area code as the football team! Are you saying you don't think they'll even make the playoffs, or (God forbid) that they'll end up with a losing record?!?!? Um, there's a coach you might have heard of, by the name of Bill Self. I'd say he's slightly more proven and better qualified in his sport than Turner Gill is in his. And oh, by the way, there's also a preseason All-American on the team named Thomas Robinson. You might have heard of him.

Whenever crap like this comes up, I go back to the poll that the LJW ran before the 2001-2002 season (you know, the one that ended up in the Final Four against Maryland), where, after KU had started the season 3-3, over 60% of the readers predicted that KU wouldn't even make the NIT!!! I thought that was mind-numbingly stupid, but if you're serious about your comment, you make the people in that poll look like Mensa members.

actorman 9 years, 7 months ago

Whoops, I had a brain-freeze there and contradicted myself. The poll was not before the season. As I said later in my post, it was after KU had started the season 3-3.

Alohahawk 9 years, 7 months ago

Looks like Cal Lie Pari will have just 4 days (not 2 weeks) to prepare for KU, since the Towson game is the 11th and KU meets Kenstinky on the 15th. He won't really know a lot about KU"s true starters or Self's offensive scheme for the game in The Garden since 2, maybe 3 if you include TRob, won't have played in the exhibition games. Scouting reports could be a factor.

However, my biggest concern has to be how TRob 's injury effects his performance. Come on, TRob. Take care of that injury. KU needs you full strength this season.

Sounds like a lot of today's posters are heavy into rap lyrics, because I wasn't able to figure out wtf was being said or referred to in some of the above posts. That's fine. I never really cared for some of the music from before my teen years, myself. (Although there was some really good rhythm and blues back during the early days of jazz.) And each generation seems to feel the need to identify with their own peer's thoughts and performances.

As for me, rap is for the younger generations. To me, rap sounds like an individual (or group) trying their best to talk faster than they can think. When I've heard someone listening to rap (which IMHO isn't music) it sounds like a bunch of jumbled up words that are said (not sung) so fast I can't make heads or tails of what is being uttered, much less the meaning behind what the rapper is talking about. I'll stick to my generation's "oldies but goodies songs", where I can understand what is said, and relax to the harmony and interplay of voices creating a pleasant flow of thoughts to the brain.

actorman 9 years, 7 months ago

You said it, Aloha. Call me crazy, but I think music should actually have some basic things like, you know, a melody.

Funhawk 9 years, 7 months ago

A-men, Alohahawk and actorman.

And, yes, we're gettin' old.

Remember when James Brown was called Brother Rap?
"I can dig rappin', I'm ready!! I can dig scrappin' But I can't dig that backstabbin' (Oh No!!)" The Big Payback. Remember when "we were rappin' " meant you were having a deep, heavy conversation with someone? Today's soul-less music is like the fast food french fries that taste like cardboard, yet the young crowd eats it up. Give me music with a beat and I'd rate it a ninety-five!

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

It depends on what you declare soul. In the 60's & 70's soul was anti-war, political music, and then acid rock, the drug years. 80's came and synthesizers were the new norm and everything had an upbeat hair band, live for the moment feel. 90's brought the darkness of grunge, and gangsta rap. The millenium brought boy bands, and autotune. There is still plenty of music with soul out there, you just have to understand it. While kids now days might have a problem even figuring out what a 45 is, a 45 year old might not know how to use an ipod. Earth, Wind, and Fire was always a comforting sound for me, so when a rapper I like sampled one of their songs I loved it. Music hasnt died, its just gone into hiding. You'd be surprised what music my grandma likes that I play for her, and she's an old school Gospel woman. Loves her some Elvis, but even I cant muster up the heart to tell her he was a fraud.

Alohahawk 9 years, 7 months ago

I guess I should have known this would end up with me defending my generation. To quote drnater from above, "You just have to understand it." That's the whole key to the rap problem, as far as I'm concerned. "to understand it."

There have been numerous songs over the years up until about the mid 90's which I've enjoyed: Because I could understand what was being sung. And, they were pleasant songs/music to listen to. Personally, I just don't consider "rap" as music, or as being pleasant to listen to. If I walk into a shop, store, cocktail lounge, or anyplace with rap playing, I immediately leave. Same when a TV commercial includes rap. The sound gets turned off till the commercial has run its course. That product doesn't get my endorsement, and I doubt I would purchase it unless there were no other alternative.

And yes, politics have always been important to each generation's music. Anti-war messages were prolific during the 60's and early 70's. Are they with rap? Some of the current generation say it is. But I don't know, because I can't interpret anything except four letter words jumbled incoherently together, and spoken so fast to be incomprehensible. You want an anti-war message, listen to Country Joe and the Fish spelling out a four letter word, one letter at a time at Woodstock. If it's supposed to be speaking out against the establishment, what good is rap if you can't understand the person(s) uttering the words, and the message they are attempting to relate?

Finally, as pointed out above, "rap" doesn't seem to have any harmony or a melody. IMHO, there's nothing pleasing to the ear about it. M.C. Hammer's most famous output would seem one of the few exceptions. If a person's to interpret what the lyrics mean, slow it down or speak more distinctly, please, instrumental accompaniment or not. Some people call it poetry.

To each their own. Every generation has its own music. The current one has rap. And like it or not, unfortunately, everyone has to live with it.

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Funny you mentioned that song, because that exact song from Woodstock is my ringtone, spelling out that four letter word. While the guys eyes are rolling in the back of his head from the 5 hits of acid he just took. The problem is you dont want to understand it, but I understand. Every famous, big name act has been hated for what they do. Parents didnt understand back then when they didnt want their kids listening to that devil music. Those kids grew into parents and dont like the music their kids listen to. Its an ongoing streak, techno will probably be huge when I have kids and I'll hate the music too. Its the same song and dance generation to generation. Every type of music offends someone, thats why I try and listen to it all. Well, except for the techno. lol

drnater 9 years, 7 months ago

Funny you mentioned that song, because that exact song from Woodstock is my ringtone, spelling out that four letter word. While the guys eyes are rolling in the back of his head from the 5 hits of acid he just took. The problem is you dont want to understand it, but I understand. Every famous, big name act has been hated for what they do. Parents didnt understand back then when they didnt want their kids listening to that devil music. Those kids grew into parents and dont like the music their kids listen to. Its an ongoing streak, techno will probably be huge when I have kids and I'll hate the music too. Its the same song and dance generation to generation. Every type of music offends someone, thats why I try and listen to it all. Well, except for the techno. lol

Spencer Goff 9 years, 7 months ago

Nothing like opening up a new season with a Super T. suspension.

"But during the offseason they violated a rule...." I mean, am I supposed to be shocked? Does Coach need to clarify WHICH offseason? Does he have that sentence merely on cut/copy/paste for quick replies?

This 4 on 5 scrimmage against Pitt State might get interesting.

ParisHawk 9 years, 7 months ago

After browsing through the comments, I almost forgot that EJ was suspended too, and not for the first time. Granted, Taylor has had more and bigger problems than EJ; still, it's clear many posters are just waiting to come down hard on Taylor whereas most everyone is willing to cut EJ a good bit of slack.

Another thing I don't follow is turning Self into Machiavelli, having all these ulterior motives for the suspension. To me, the most plausible explanation for the suspensions is the one he gave: "You've been bad in the past, so I'm drawing the line here and if you cross it you don't play the exhibitions." They crossed, they don't play. Simple.

What's more sophisticated is not going public with the suspension until they had a chance to show a good attitude once school started. Maybe there were additional punishments waiting if they didn't shape up?

Matt1958 9 years, 7 months ago

Tyshawn, Elijah,..............quit it, just quit it. I know you're kids. God knows when I was your age I did a lot of crap I shouldn't have. But you both have a lot of people counting on you.

yates33333 9 years, 7 months ago

This isn't too bad. It gives Self a chance to observe players who otherwise wouldn't play much in a real game situation and against teams that probably couldn't beat KU walkons. The danger is that EJ and TT don't learn from this "discipline." They must realize they are vital parts of the Big Blue Machine. There's no one to carry them this year, they must do the heavy lifting.

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

if we pay attention to Self's tone from his comments, it sounds as though this punishment was more severe than the single violation warranted. the only reason they were suspended like this is based on past occurences. it looks as though their act was probably petty, but the pattern is what annoyed self, so he sent a message. as he stated, they have been terrific since then (which is good). they certainly need to straighten up, but let's not make too much of this...

Micky Baker 9 years, 7 months ago

Get your crap together guys.

Have you noticed one common theme in the AD since Gray Little doesn't allow discipline? LITTLE IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR THE UNIVERSITY!

jaycon11 9 years, 7 months ago

"I will be back on Wednesday for "Perry to UK day"

  • UKALLDay, 9/19/2011

how did that work out for you?

jaycon11 9 years, 7 months ago

because it's only a matter of time before you'll have to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to eat crow again.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 7 months ago

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kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

are you really on here talking trash because your team has a shot to beat our "young" rebuilding team? serisously? no, really... that is like the guy with the ugly girlfriend going and rubbing it in to a guy whose hot wife is sick and in the hospital. i know that i take no joy in going on any UK sites to brag about how we have owned you for the last 3 match-ups. it makes no sense. each year, teams are different. there are ups and downs in programs as players come, grow and go. yeah, you guys are good this year and we have a ton of question marks. bottom line, four years ago the roles were reversed, but you sure didn't find any KU fan like me feeling the need to feed my ego about a team i am a fan of. i respect UK (a little less after their recent hire), and i know that they are always going to be good. sure, they will be down at times, just as KU is. so go ahead, puff out your chest, i hope you feel tough. but believe this - bill self will always win MORE, LEGALLY, and at a BETTER rate than calipari. our players may not have qualified, but at least they took their own tests. i know that this season will count. that is something that UK cannot rest on as long as cal-i can't count my final fours-pari is there.

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

leadership? calipari is your coach? nuff said

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

he is at UK and everything is fine? you must not pay attention. in just a few years, he has already brought in kids that did the same stuff his memphis kids did.

moving on... please answer this question - what has cal won? you say self has not won with more? that is funny. in 05 he took a team into rupp and beat your top ten cats? hmm, you must have forgotten that. then a year later, with a depleted roster we hosted your top 20 team and beat ya by a whopping 27 pts? hmmm, you must really have selected memory. so, self does okay with what he has... again, don't forget to answer the question - what has your coach won? i can't wait to hear this, since he does so much with his one year recruits. he is nothing but a glorified AAU coach.

you can blab ALL DAY about recruiting. i could care less. it is not about the ranking of the kid before college - it is about how good they become while they are there. calipari holds em for a year and they leave to the nba no better than when he got em. self's programs develop players.

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

Just like I thought, you ignore the question.... WHAT HAS YOUR COACH WON?

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

Just like I thought, you ignore the question.... WHAT HAS YOUR COACH WON?

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

You still insist on not answering my question. I can answer for you. He hasn't won anything. However, you seem fine with that as long as he wins on recruits. You seem so quick to critique our coach. Who, by the way, has won 11 of 14 conference titles (finishing 2 and 3 the other three years). You also have failed to say a word about how you have lost three straight to KU and Self (does less with more, huh?). I again remind you that when you last visited Allen, you left with a 27 pt whooping. Last time we went to Rupp, we left victorious. You seem to conveniently not address any of these responses to your ignorant claims about KU and Self.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 7 months ago

When will UK be held accountable for point shaving, gambling, outright racism and for the NCAA's all-time dirtiest program.

jrbill67 9 years, 7 months ago

When Taylor was a freshamn I thought he could be the best guard to ever play for KU. Then he began his multiple violations of team rules, coupled with inconsistent play on the court. If Self is counting on him to be a team leader, the Jayhawks are in trouble this year because he can't hold it together on or off the court for more than about 2 weeks at a time.

Steve Reigle 9 years, 7 months ago

"Anthony West, a 6-foot-6 sophomore from SM East, is practicing with the team but has not yet been officially added to the roster."

So, are they trying to sign another scholarship player, perhaps for second semester?

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 7 months ago

These guys need to show their leadership with some maturity. Tyshawn and Elijah must also realize that such actions are selfish and knock them down a notch in the draft heirarchy (ie less money).

Ethan Berger 9 years, 7 months ago

Please half these people on the comments probably did stuff in college that if they were a d1 athlete, would have gotten you suspended. Its not like they broke the law(well as far as we know) for all we know, they could had went to a party, got drunk and got caught. I personally have never seen a handbook on Bill Selfs team rules, but if there is one out there for purchase, please inform me.

SCHNBALL 9 years, 7 months ago

ukallday- you showed your class in your own statement, you don't care what Cal did before he came to Kentucky, a typical response from a typical Kentucky fan, zero class. As for our coach, he has not had to pay back any school or forfeit any games. Tyshawn, I called this 2 weeks ago when I said I did not believe all of the maturity stuff when I read it, this kid is simply not a leader, and unlike ukallday, I would suspend him for a meaningful game, just for the pure number of incidents, or should we just close our eyes like ukallday and say it happened before the season!! Keegan, go find out the story behind the story and tell us what rules were broken, if you can find the guts to actually investigate. UKallday- go find a table at Porcini and you can invite your old coach (probably already there) and Cal, you call all sit around and talk about all of the classless programs in the country. Oh, I forgot they don't let bums hang out on Frankfort Avenue anymore.

chefmattie 9 years, 7 months ago

When it rains it pours...and pours some more. Tarczewski committed to Arizona today.

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

far be it to think camby is a liar as he confesses to BEING DISHONEST while accepting money? do you not listen to yourself?!?!?!?!?! you assert that it's "on us" to call him a liar as if he is mother theresa. he begs to be called a liar based on his past behavior!!!! learn some logic.

kufankam 9 years, 7 months ago

just because he is loyal, doesn't make him honest. our jails are filled with people who refuse to be snitches. so you can have "your" logic.

Ethan Berger 9 years, 7 months ago

Scoreboard. Final fours takin away from Cal 2, final Fours cal has been to, 2.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 7 months ago

I have said this a few times here .. why debate Kentucky fans? They're not our enemies, and neither is Calapari. Kentucky is a great basketball school .. an elite, top 5 program. But so are we. I have great respect for Kentucky, and Duke, and NC.

Calapari is a terrific coach. He would just never be hired at Kansas. That is not a slam on Calapari or Kentucky. There is no doubt that Calapari is not coach Self, and vice versa. Different approaches to the game, recruiting, etc.

But I would always caution on moralizing .. college basketball recruiting is a sleazy business. And much of it is a matter of degree.

SCHNBALL 9 years, 7 months ago

High Elite, I often wonder is Self considers the recruiting process in college so bad now that he might opt for the NBA sooner rather than later?

Wayne Gordon 9 years, 7 months ago

Anybody know if tomorrow nights game will be streamed on internet?

HawkNVegas 9 years, 7 months ago

Can some anonymous poster please come make an excuse for the action of Idiots? Oops, you've already spent most of Your Day doing just that. Bill Self should blame, Himself and nobody else. If you recruit people with quote unquote "character issues" then guess what happens, they get suspended repeatedly because we take care of our own if they bring money into the program. Sad but True. Not being a Lawrence resident I can see what the Douglas County for life people say every, single time one of their idols gets in trouble. Look at these boards. If I really even cared to I would put the Entire Program on blast for the preferential treatment of the money boys on the team. I don't care, and won't care. They won't win a title and it's because we recruit people who do this, or do like the genius twins who can't play until next year. Come on Trolls flame me all You want, I won't be back to read any response and I don't care to post until the next incident not so I can say "I told You so", but rather Can You Hear Them Now? Wake up to reality Kansas Basketball is as only as good as it's weakest link, and our whole chain is Weak.

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