Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Turner Gill emphasizes the positives and the process

Kansas football players are trying to keep a high morale after struggling during conference play.


Turner Gill discusses in-game adjustments

Kansas head football coach Turner Gill discussed making in-game adjustments on the offensive side of the ball as the Jayhawks prepare for Texas on Saturday.

Tuesday, at his regularly scheduled news conference, Kansas University football coach Turner Gill found himself in a dogfight, fielding a barrage of questions about his future and the way he would go about fixing the problems that plague the Jayhawks. 

Judging by the way the session began, Gill was ready.

Unprompted, Gill, whose Jayhawks will face the University of Texas at 6 p.m. Saturday in Austin, Texas, spent the first couple of minutes of Tuesday’s meeting with reporters emphasizing the areas his team had improved from last year.

“I would like to focus on two phases where we have improved, on offense and special teams,” he began. “On offense, we are scoring 30 points per game, where last year we were at 16. We have improved in rushing touchdowns — we have 15 so far, and at this time last year we had seven. In passing touchdowns, we have 14 right now, and we had seven up to this point last year. Another key thing that we look at is yards per play. Last year we averaged 4.6, and this year we are averaging 5.5 yards per play. Another great stat is that our passing percentage has improved from 57 percent last year to 67 percent this year.”

All true. All worthy of applause. But none of those statistics addresses the team’s two biggest problems. The first is its defense, which, through seven games, is on pace to become the worst in NCAA history and ranks last or second-to-last in total defense, passing defense and rushing defense. The second speaks to Gill’s philosophy. While he continues to push his “Believe” mantra, many outside the program are clamoring for the second-year coach to add “achieve” to his vocabulary. Tuesday, for the first time this season, Gill indicated he understood that.

“It isn’t about saying things or making statements, it’s about doing,” he said. “We’re trying to get our guys to perform. We’re still trying to put it all together.”

With the lid lifted on the accountability questions, media members questioned nearly all aspects of Gill’s program in a search for answers about why the Jayhawks have given up an average of 57 points and 595 yards per game during the current five-game losing streak.

How did he explain the lack of energy in practice during the week leading up the Kansas State game?

“I think that’s the inexperience of our team,” Gill said. “You’re just trying to get consistency. That’s just part of the process of trying to grow a program and trying to get people on the same page.”

How does he discipline players who don’t execute?

“We do some physical things in practice,” he said. “We call them reminders, where you do some up-downs after practice or repeat plays. You talk to them and explain to them what they need to do and how they need to do it. You do all different types of disciplinary actions to try to change that up, then hopefully they get it.”

After Saturday’s 59-21 loss to in-state rival Kansas State, KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger told a couple of reporters he did not expect anyone to accept KU’s recent struggles and vowed to get things fixed. Asked Tuesday for his reaction to Zenger’s comments, Gill stuck to his message. 

“He’s the boss,” he said. “He’s gonna say what he has to say. I came here to fix something, and that’s what I’m here to do. I still believe in the plan we have intact.” 

After the 27-minute session with reporters wrapped and Gill retired to his office, a handful of KU players spoke to the media about this week’s game and the team’s struggles. Even then, the talk turned to Gill. Unlike their coach, who kept a smile on his face even while answering the toughest questions, the players seemed more bothered by the negativity surrounding their coach.

“It’s amazing,” sophomore cornerback Tyler Patmon said. “I don’t know how many people could take that criticism for that many weeks and still have the same positive attitude as him. We say it in the locker room, other coaches tell us all the time how great of a coach and great of a person he is. It’s amazing that he can do that.”

Added sophomore quarterback Jordan Webb: “We have enough pressure as it is, just for ourselves and for our own pride. But whenever people are saying your coaches’ jobs are on the line, you definitely gotta take that to heart and play a lot harder and I think we’re going to.”

With five games to play and Gill’s seat growing hotter by the week, the Jayhawks appear to be as close as ever and seem content to keep emphasize the L portion of the team’s “Believe” slogan: Learn and press on toward the goal. 

“It’s just everything wasn’t hitting and is not hitting at all times,” said senior offensive lineman Jeff Spikes. “But we’re gonna keep going after our goals and we still can surprise people by letting them know we’re not gonna quit.” 

Added Patmon: “We still believe in our team 100 percent, and we still believe that we can reach a bowl game this year.” 

As for Gill, rather than looking at the final five weeks of the season as a pressure-packed proving ground, he sees a chance to move forward. 

“You have to have the mindset to get yourself ready to improve,” he said. “We have five more opportunities to do that and we’re fortunate right now that we have those opportunities. There’s going to come a time where you don’t have any more opportunities.”


Ferd Magellan 6 years, 8 months ago

Throw the numbers out the window, because a good chunk of those offensive scores came against opposing reserves. The offense has not looked good since Tech, and even in that one they went silent for almost 3 quarters.

Next time you try to fix something, do it at a MAC school. You've proven to be the worst repairman we've hired in my lifetime, and you accomplished that feat in under 2 years.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

Very few of the points scored this year have come against reserves - 35 of 211, and the majority of those (21) were in one game - OSU. Translate, that means that your "good chunk" is really just 2 TDs.

Good Knowledge? Good grief!

fu7il3 6 years, 8 months ago

That sort of makes it worse. Apparently we can't score on their reserves.

squawkhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

WRONG! One of the local radio hosts broke down the points scored by KU this year and when you do throw out points against patsies and points scored in the waning moments of the game when the opponents back ups were in, KU is actually averaging 19 points per game. A whopping improvement of 3 points per game average over last year. Very impressive for all the talk and hype that Gill brought to KU, right?

Nick Cole 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, but how many of KU's points last year came against a team's reserves? Thus, your argument doesn't really work.

Don't get me wrong, I want Gill out of here. If he isn't gone after this season, Then BGL needs to find a new AD with some balls (and who isn't a K-State alum). I don't care if Gill wins every game from here on out. If that were to happen, it is likely that it would be mostly the other team screwing it up vs. us playing well and improving.

lawrence_is_my_middle_name 6 years, 8 months ago

I dunno, I'd say beating Texas and A&M on the road, Baylor at home and Mizzou, would warrant him keeping his job. That puts us at 6 wins, bowl game?? I BELIEVE!!!

But no, we will lose out and he should lose his job. Can't see our defense stopping anyone, they are the worst I've ever seen.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

OSU was playing second string early, but the others weren't. That's the counterpoint, not that we didn't score.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

Bleed - And how many of last year's game were against top 10 O's? Top 20 O's?

Pull your head out of your frustration just long enough to recognize that as much as everyone acknowledged that the schedule would be tougher this year, it has been even worse than expected. Let's see, we've traded NM, CU, and NU for OU, TT, UT. All that from a schedule that has 9 of 12 bowl teams.

sm5561 6 years, 8 months ago

I tried to calculate this but it's not actually as bad as it seems. You have to calculate points per quarter because you can't discount an entire quarter and still call it points per game.

We've scored 211 points on the season which is 7.5 points per quarter (211 / 28 quarters). If you take out the quarters where the game is already out of hand (4th qtr of GT, TT and KSU and 3rd and 4th qtrs of OSU) then we scored 169 points (211 - 42) in 23 quarters for 7.3 points per quarter. At that pace we would score 29 points per game (7.3 * 4) if the game wasn't out of hand.

The real telling stat for me is the runs to start the second half. GT 28-0, TT 21-0, OU 20-0, KSU 21-0. That's 90-0 over 4 games. And that's as much our offense as it is our defense.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

Great analysis, tho a little oops in that OU only scored 3 pts in the 3rd quarter.

sm5561 6 years, 8 months ago

I said "runs to start the second half". OU outscored us 3-0 in the 3rd and 17-0 in the 4th.

hawk316 6 years, 8 months ago

Wow. I know this will surprise those who are calling for Gill's head on a platter, but I continue to be impressed with this man. If it is correct that true character is revealed in the heat of controversy, Turner Gill is now demonstrating what he is really made of.

It takes incredible strength of character to continue believing in yourself when it appears nearly everyone else has given up on you. To refuse to play the "blame game," to make excuses, or to lash out at his critics shows indeed that this is a very honorable and unique individual. Obviously, those closest to him see this clearly. That's why his players and assistant coaches are so loyal and supportive (and rather amazed themselves at Gill's strength of character).

I so want this man to succeed because this is exactly the kind of person I want representing the University of Kansas. For that reason, I'm willing to suffer through all these embarrassing losses and give this coach more time to right the ship.

AzNHawk 6 years, 8 months ago

I posted something similar to your post in a previous article. While it is an admirable trait to have it does not change the reality of the situation.

I, too am willing to suffer growing pains in order for Gill to have the time he needs to get this thing in the direction that it needs to be.

From one fan to another,

Rock chalk!!

hawk316 6 years, 8 months ago

Thanks, Az. We seem to be in the minority, but as Jaybate so eloquently opined recently, one must be willing to suffer through the hard times to achieve the desired success. Like you, I'm pulling for Gill to get to the victor's circle.

hawk316 6 years, 8 months ago

lebowski, I truly understand where you're coming from and can't blame you for having some doubts, given what we've seen thus far. However, I see enough positives to keep me hopeful. And as I said, Gill is exactly the kind of person we want representing KU, but in order to stay here, he has to win...eventually. Like you and Az, I'm pulling hard for the guy.

hawk316 6 years, 8 months ago

Ha! Good one, ahper. What I'm smoking is called faith and hope. Pretty powerful stuff.

Nic Andrews 6 years, 8 months ago

Agree he is a great man of a character to be admired, but does that make him a great coach? worth millions in pay? no. He must believe AND achieve. And by achieve, I'm not saying Ws...just improvement and playing (AND Coaching) competitively for 4 quarters. That goes for the D and Offense. That shouldn't be too much to ask.

hawk316 6 years, 8 months ago

kufan2, you're right. Improvement and achievement are necessary. But in this business, a coach has to have more than 11/2 seasons to turn a program around. If I had not seen significant improvement already in the offense and in recruiting, I would not be as hopeful. But I've seen enough to want to give him more time.

ZDKC 6 years, 8 months ago

hawk316 = Gill's wife

Save the powederpuff crap for women's volleyball. This is football.

“Hey, Nick Saban ain’t down there baking cookies for guys in Alabama,”

Rupert42 6 years, 8 months ago

Wait a minute we played against reseves last year to... and how about u step up and do it if your so dang smart!!! wait ur to busy yelling at him

Micky Baker 6 years, 8 months ago

Coach Gill. You don't do any coaching at all during a game, which is where they learn how to execute in situations that count. In golf, it is not enough to sit on the driving range and hit balls for 2 hours every day. You have to know which club to use for different situations, not just know how to use the clubs.

In the game on Saturday, less than 20 seconds left, a receiver goes down the middle of the field uncovered. COACHING MISTAKE. Almost every time K-State's QB had the ball with an option, he ran with it. COACHING MISTAKE. The players weren't in a position to tackle him. What exactly are you teaching these kids. Did you clarify the assignments and then iterate them during the game?

You can have the best players in the world coach, and if you don't coach them they're not going to execute. THIS IS ON YOU COACH!

We have good athletes on defense. I'm pretty sure they're smart. They're doing the same things over and over again which leads me to believe that you are failing to teach them which golf club to use from 150 yards and which gold club to use from 110 yards. Its the difference between an 8 iron and a pitching wedge, and that's a bid difference.

Why do we have the corner back sneaking inside before the snap? Hey, I'm okay with some CB blitzes, say on third and long if you have a nickel or dime situation. 3rd and long. Why aren't we disguising our blitzes? The opponents audible to a hot read and hit a wide open receiver. We might need to play tighter with the other guys on blitzes so they can't get a quick pass off. COACHING. SITUATIONS.

Now, these kids are good enough to have at worst a middle of the road defense by the end of this season.

But coach Gill, you can coach them during the game and let them know what they just did wrong in that situation.

I understand our offense is better than a year ago, but 6 yards in the second half against Oklahoma? Two fumbles in the first two possessions of the second half against Kansas State?

You need to get some fire on the side line and let them know you're working to get them to improve during the game. Get a response from them. Get some turnovers. Sack someone. Jar the football loose and recover it. No more 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 6.

What techniques are our downed lineman using to try to get to the QB? When we send five or six rushers, why are they not getting to the QB on time?

Well, the video gives the answers. If you're going to blitz, no big cushions. If you're going to just send 3 and drop others into coverage or have a couple of guys assigned to the QB and running back, you can do get some stops.

Texas A&M and Baylor are going to present opportunities for this team to show some major improvement. Losing by margins of 30, 40, or 50 points can't persist Coach.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

If you tell the kid the right club to use, and even practice with him the proper way to use if, but the kid proceeds to slice his shot, or decides to switch clubs, is that really the coach's fault?

When going through tackling drills, do you really think the coaches teach the players to grab the facemask, so that a 3rd down stop turns into a first down that leads to a touchdown? When the coaches teach a particular D, and select it in a game, do you really think that they tell the kids to just improvise and abandon their assignment? Do you really think they're teaching the players to move before the snap? Do you really think that they teach players to fumble the ball deep in their own territory, or do you think that maybe it could be the result of having a really young team (70% 1st or 2nd year?) and playing them.

Early in the season (2 games in?) Coach Long talked publicly about Webb having only made one misread - choosing to throw long (inc) instead of taking the safe 1st down throw. Do you really think that he hadn't talked with Jordan about that misread, and yet when Jordan does the same thing again, this time resulting in an INT, somehow that's the coaches fault?

This is not to say that the team's performance is acceptable, but to somehow expect a team that is this young, with a D that is this new, playing a schedule that is virtually the toughest (2nd) in the nation - regardless of whether this reality fits within ahpers dillusion, to somehow perform like veterans is spitting in the wind.

Nick Cole 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes, it is still the coaches fault. His message is obviously not getting across to the kid. And if the kid continues to slice it, teach him how to hit the ball straight. If he can't do that, let someone else try. Simple solution.

And here is the problem with your argument. Sure players can make mistakes, which the coach obviously doesn't teach them to do. However, when those mistakes are only made once in a while, we can deal with it. When those same mistakes are made consistently throughout the game, that is where we have a coaching problem. If the kid slices the ball once per round of golf, big deal, it happens. But when the kid is slicing the ball once per hole in a round of 18, then it becomes a coaching problem. The coach isn't showing him how to slice a ball, but he obviously isn't putting enough emphasis on hitting the ball straight either.

And I hate the "young team" excuse. These kids have been playing football their entire lives. They should have the fundamentals down by now. If not, the coach should have enough sense to get them off the field.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

And there is obviously someone better. And how long does "teach him how to hit the ball straight" take? Just a couple weeks right, b/c that's the only thing that is being taught. Do you think that FB might have a few more things to learn than just which club to use and hit the ball straight?

nuleafjhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

You just got to grip it and rip it.

Let the big dog eat.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

Perfect! Keep it coming. All that negative crud is gonna be the death of me. Especially since Turner has been nothing but positive since he arrived. What kind of evil person goes after another for being positive? The impatience is absurd. Fans are throwing tantrums like a 3 year old, and the media are just eating it up. It's embarrassing.

Hit em where it hurts. Be logical.

Rock Chalk dagger

Micky Baker 6 years, 8 months ago

No, but that happened how many times? How many times did they grab the facemask? That wasn't why K-State ran off 17 points in 1:08. Is it? 24 points in about 2 more minutes added to that.

Yes, the coaches are teaching the players to cheat in on those plays or would they keep doing it?

Losing like this consistently means the YOUNG team isn't getting COACHED.

I don't expect them to perform like veterans, but I also don't expect them to play game after game like its their first game at this level.

You really went off the deep end on that one. Do you even watch the games?

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

24 pts in 2 minutes = 1 blown coverage, kickoff return, and 2 fumbles.

The facemask was a pivotal play resulting in one of the other scores. It's similar to so many others when we have played well to get to third and long only to make a mistake leading to a first down/TD.

Micky Baker 6 years, 8 months ago

The face mask play didn't allow K-State to kick the field goal. Or cause a fumble. Or return the kick-off for a touchdown. Or score after the fumble.

This isn't hard for intelligent people to understand.

Sure, it was a penalty, but that isn't why we lost 59-21.

Marvin Koelsch 6 years, 8 months ago

The article mentions a key point: Second Year Coach. If I remember correctly, Coach Gill was NOT hired early enough to do much recruiting his first year. And I do not think the team was stocked with quality players when he arrived. With the way most universities build their programs by red shirting a lot of freshman players, I find it interesting that Coach Gill has recruited enough quality players that many of them are already in the first two layers of the depth chart. I think too many people want to fire before he has a real chance to succeed.

For another question, would a quality coach want the job if we demonstrated that K.U. will not give someone a chance to build a quality program. We could go through coach after coach like K-State did before they finally found Snyder. I for one want something a lot better than what K-State had twenty years ago. They still celebrate a first-in-ten like most schools celebrate a touchdown.

Joseph Kuebel 6 years, 8 months ago

KU football in a nutshell... First in ten? Hay zoose. Thats pretty sad right there.

Marvin Koelsch 6 years, 8 months ago

Thank you manginorh00lz for the correction. While I had the good fortune to watch Gail Sayers play while I was at K.U., I have always preferred basketball. I still remember watching Jo Jo White glide across the court.

johnnyhrdwd 6 years, 8 months ago

Terry Allen's plan was to redshirt his entire first class. Nobody was expecting us to win more than a couple of games this year, but can you see us winning a conference game next year? How about a conference game where we are in the game till the final possession, let alone the second half. Winning is based on pride and we don't have any. If we celebrated our first downs like kstate we wouldn't celebrate much.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

Did you expect us to double our offense this year? Did you expect Jordan Webb to be one of the most efficient passers in the conference this year, or were you one of the multitude that said we had no chance once what's his name had troubles? "If we celebrated first downs ..." You really haven't been paying attention, or probably just letting your frustration get in the way of intelligent thought. The problem has not been consistent O production = first downs. It has been big plays, and costly turnovers.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

We got embarrassed last year, and look who he landed. Your logic fails.

Jayhawk1116 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't mind your post except when you say Gill isn't a winner and never has been. That's absolutely wrong. He's been a winner everywhere he's been. Maybe if we give him enough time he'll do it here too.

I'll admit, I've been patient with Gill the past two years except when we got slaughtered by K-State both times. I think next year is the pivotal year. He'll have two recruiting classes and some experienced players in his program. No improvement next year and I think he should be gone. He's brought in some talented guys, but they're still inexperienced at the college level. That's what this year is for.

For what it's worth, I don't think Webb is the answer either.

Lindsey Buscher 6 years, 8 months ago

I think this is what pisses KU fans off the most about TG. Trying to "focus on the positives" of a one of the worst teams in the history of this program seems so disingenuous.

Your team sucks and the coaches are accountable because you obviously can't just throw college kids under the bus.

You might be able to fool the kids when you talk about the positives, but don't try to pass off that BS to the media and the fans.

We want a coach that gets incensed about losses and poor execution and the occasional BCS conspiracy (it's real).

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Joseph Kuebel 6 years, 8 months ago

His acceptance of being blown out and not scoring in the 2nd half, which directly translates to being outcoached, is also a concern to me... It is either completely ungenuine or points to TG being okay with not only losing, but being blown out. Either way it is not a positive.

TG showing no dissapointment, is delusional and is not a winning mentality... Now I do think he should get another year to play with his recruits, but I completely agree w the comment of who is he trying fool?

minnhawk84 6 years, 8 months ago

If there is a team worse than Kansas this year, it has to be the University of Minnesota. 1 and 6 so far, with quality losses to New Mexico (!) and North Dakota State (!!). Only win in overtime against Miami of Ohio.
Having said all that, new head coach Jerry Kill was awarded a SEVEN YEAR coaching extension @ $1.5m per year. He stated after the Nebraska loss (41-14 at home) that it will take FOUR recruiting classes to begin to turn around the UofM. The university is giving him a "long ride" to turn around the football program, he is not under fire from fans/alumni, and he actually thinks he can turn the Gophers into winners in the next SEVEN years. Jerry is from Cheney but sounds like he is from Oklahoma/Arkansas when he speaks -- doesn't go over well in Minnesota. His main coaching successes were at SIU and NIU....... Now, contrast Jerry's position with Turner's, and you see a coach who has been given the time to get the job done. I believe he has a tougher road at the UofM than Gill does at KU. Gill needs the time to prove himself, not just one or two years.

John Strayer 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm just asking because I don't know...but how much "football" history is there at U of M? Do they have a winning tradition?

Also...I don't think you can compare Minnesota to Kansas...Minnesota is nice and comfortable in the Big 10...they ain't goin anywhere and can weather the conference realignment storm (which is totaly driven by football). Kansas on the other hand could be facing a bleak non-BCS future if the football program doesn't get back on track quickly.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

The gophers have probably even less FB tradition than KU. Their team was probably in worse shape too, but the fact remains that you aren't going to turn around a program in 2 years against the toughest schedule in the nation.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

The Golden Gophers have won 6 national championships.

blackhawkjayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

There is legitimate frustration in the fan base but lets all remember to use some class when discussing Gill. He's not some horrible human being who is not trying. I can't even imagine how the guy feels at night when he goes home.

The "flat" practice referenced in the article? After the season these guys are having, is anyone shocked that they might be getting worn down?

There is truth in the statement that first-year recruiting classes are catch-as-catch-can. The two previous classes from Mangino were not that strong. Let's at least try and be fair when evaluating Gill.

The offense has generally been good in the first half - against the opponent's starters. Is a definite improvement.

Zenger was right....over the next 5 games, you should be able to make a good evaluation. Then call June Jones.

SCFD187 6 years, 8 months ago

I hope at night when he goes home he feels guilty for the salary he's being paid. I think he is a good man, but that doesn't mean he should be given millions of dollars to mentor college students.

Stephen Johnson 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm still angry over the state of the program. The next step is total apathy. Mr. Gill (I cannot refer to you as coach) you have embarrassed this school.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

You are far more embarrassing to the school.

John Brown 6 years, 8 months ago

Perkins signed a coach from a junior college and we wonder why he isn't successful in the Big 12. Gill is so happy because his pay checks haven't bounced. The most amazing is the thought that they can still go to a bowl this year?

middleoftheroader 6 years, 8 months ago

Repost from me from another article: I no longer wonder/worry about whether Turner Gill should/will be fired at the end of the season, it seems blatantly obvious (even to me) that he WILL be fired. My concern is who Zenger will hire to replace him, just about any name you can throw out there is going to sound good to anxious Jayhawk fans, I hope Zenger realizes HIS own future with KU will be riding on the success/failure of his hire.

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 8 months ago

Turner can throw out all the stats he wants but a look at the scoreboard tells you all you need to know.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

Stop looking at the stats AND the scoreboard.

Take a look at our new playmakers on offense. That tells me all I need to know. Gill and his coaches can bring them in. Now they need do that on defense this year, and the kids need the time to get better. 4 years should do it. Not next year, but 2013.

And, while we're waiting, if you could just get us that list of potential replacements for Gill. It just makes it more interesting to read your posts, if I can see what you are envisioning.

You know some great coach willing to come to a school where they'll have 1.5 years to turn the program around? Show me.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

Would you have taken Randy Edsall if we could have wrestled him away from his dream job at Maryland?

squawkhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

Maybe he should take a que from Snyder who said that "statistics don't win ball games". He gets it. KSU has been beaten in almost all categories the past several games but they keep finding a way to win. That is coaching!

ahpersecoachingexperience 6 years, 8 months ago

Did you seriously tell me to stop looking at stats and the scoreboard?!?!?!?!?!?


KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes. Have you ever done anything in your life without them? KU has lots of classes that don't involve either one. You should look into them.

Chris Bruning 6 years, 8 months ago

Keep Turner Gill, great coach and even better human being. Some of you fans are F'n ridiculous.

flyingfinn 6 years, 8 months ago

Agree this guy wants KU to keep losing

Micky Baker 6 years, 8 months ago

Some of us fans are far better fans than you.

Kansas1241 6 years, 8 months ago

You're an absolute idiot...this man has done NOTHING to strengthen the KU football program since he's gotten him now before the students revolt...oh wait we already have...screw football as long as Gill is the's basketball season anyways.

texashawk10 6 years, 8 months ago

I was at KU during the glory year of 2007 and guess what, the student section was just as empty then as it is now at the end of games. The students revolted against KU football 35 years ago once it went in the crapper in the late 70's and haven't come back since then.

fu7il3 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, damn fans, wanting winning, or at least competitive, teams.

Joe Ross 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, who do fans think they are wanting a winning program after they lay down money to watch games? Screw the boosters and alums too. They shouldn't have any expectation of winning at all.

Brak 6 years, 8 months ago

I am curious to know why you turned down the head coaching job at KU?

Dirk Medema 6 years, 8 months ago

But wasn't that the expectation going into the year? We'd be lucky to get to 3 wins? Right, but suddenly the expectation is that we'll be bowl eligible? The team still has that for a goal (admirable and something to shoot for), but if that really is an expectation of the fan base, then it's understandable that they're frustrated.

A turn around in less than 2 years is a reasonable expectation?

danmoore 6 years, 8 months ago

There's a reason why coaches don't last here. They are either fired by not meeting the unrealistic expectations of their fan base or they are smart enough to bolt for another program if they achieve any degree of success.

flyingfinn 6 years, 8 months ago

The expectation was we would not be the embarrassment of the football world which we are...quit drinking the Kool aid or let me know what's in it if you really think this guy is a head coach

danmoore 6 years, 8 months ago

I can assure you I am not drinking the kool aid. I'm as disappointed as you are. The options are to keep him another year and see how he fares with a real DC and his own players. Or, fire him and start the process all over again. If we choose the latter it will be a coach from the MAC/WAC/Conference USA or similar non-BCS conference or a DC/OC with no head coaching experience. Given the coaching carousel history of the program I think it would be wise to choose the former. We've made an investment in Gill. I want to see if there is a payoff before we write him off.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

Post of the year!! I'm keeping this.

danmoore 6 years, 8 months ago

And yet his players are still behind him.

pdt2139 6 years, 8 months ago

Why has the third quarter been so awful for KU? Because they get out coached. Good coaches use the halftime to make adjustments to the game being played.

troutsee 6 years, 8 months ago

I think most of us former Gill supporters understand the losses. We really did not expect a lot, especially when his predecessor went 0-7 over his last 7 games and lost some of those games in embarrassing fashion in the 4th quarter. However, we were not prepared for the totally inept defense and the non-competitiveness of our team in many of the games over the last two seasons, nor were we prepared to lose to North Dakota State. Yes, one game is one game but when blow outs accumulate, one does not have to be a genius to understand that there is something drastically wrong at the top.

I also agree that our offense has not performed well since the first quarter of the TT game.

Mat Davis 6 years, 8 months ago

I love that Coach Gill is remaining positive. While rebuilding a program, it is imperative that you don't panic, especially with a young team. While the KU fan base is thinking the sky is falling, Coach is keeping the faith in what he believes in and that is why I believe he is the right guy for KU. Also, he is a tremendous recruiter. Just look at the playmakers he has brought in on the offensive side of the ball (Pierson, Miller, Bourbon) who were all recruited by schools with better programs than KU. On the defensive side, it is hard to argue that there is much talent. I don't see many playmakers over there, and if you don't have much to work with, no amount of coaching is going to fix that. Even when they blitz, there is little pressure on the QB which will expose a secondary that is leaky at best. I encourage fans to keep supporting the team. Gill is a great rep for the university from a human standpoint, and he will get this thing turned around.

Steve Brown 6 years, 8 months ago

Items we need to fix: Be real about state of team performance- HCTG continue being positive yet also declare the shortcomings such as, we are improving in offense yet our penalities and missed assignments and defensive stops are in wrong direction and we are 'attempting' to address those issues. Don't sugarcoat the current performance.

Defense- Hire Mike Stoops today as 5 game Defensive consultant. Bring fresh eyes to uncover fixes & tweaks.

Halftime adjustments- The battles are won or lost in second half, before the game starts have a plan for second half to be revealed then, don't deploy all your ammo in first half. Thanks for changing up sideline play calling signs, past hand signals too easy to steal.

Defense recruits- Watch movie The Blind Side, realize the awesome opportunity 4-5 all world lineman have to come to B12, play immediately against best competition and become part of a great turnaround. Hire whatever all NFL Line coach you need to get the O & D Line loaded. It starts up front.

Schedule- I give you a pass on this year top ten schedule. This test is good for you as the strongest oak trees grow on top of the mountains where the strongest winds blow.

Timing- Replacing a coach after 1.5 years or 2 years is way too soon, in same light, don't burn anymore redshirts we have games next year also.

Mental toughness- The kids have to not get down with the scoreboard and 'here we go again' pysch just see that every game may end up 70-12 and yet every play is an opportunity to perform, quit pressing and over.reaching it gets you out of position. One bad hole in golf can ruin your whole round or you can put it behind you. your choice.

SEC- I know we have some games before then, yet a lot of sins can be forgiven if with every time they hear MIZ ZOU they put a tiger on it's back and beat Misery 70-9 it can be a nice finish to this 'rebuilding' effort.


prairie_rattler 6 years, 8 months ago

This team would have beaten any team from the Valensente or Allen era, so any talk about it being the 'worst' (even just defensively) shows you haven't been paying attention long. We have a young team and an unbelievably tough schedule. The bright side... HCTG is recruiting higher level classes of players than we've seen in the past 20 years. Say what they will about the SEC... the Big 12 is insanely tough this year. Iowa State and Missouri are certainly potential big wins. Regardless, we are improving, it's just hidden by the level of competition we've had the past few weeks. I suspect it will become evident soon enough. And finally, HCTG knows what it takes to be successful.He has the respect and admiration of recruits, his players, and other coaches. He has my full faith for the first four years, to build his system. I grew up watching and hating him at Nebraska, but couldn't be happier to have him running my football program. Rock Chalk! - Travis

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

This is possibly the toughest complete schedule in the history of Kansas football. He gets a pass based on that alone.

Besides, Gill has already pulled an upset. First year. Georgia Tech. Later that year he lead the Jayhawks to the greatest comeback in school history.

He pulled in the finest offensive recruiting class in my life, the year after he stole BB away from Stanford.

I'll take him all day against Allen or Val.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 8 months ago

I have been a Gill supporter all year. I can't tell you how many times I have said, give him more time, the offense is better, he needs time to get his recruits in. When we lost the games to TT and OU I said, "I was there. We are making improvements. A few plays here and there"

However, after the KSU game, I am losing faith in the coaches. After sitting through every home game in the stands, I am genuinely conflicted. I believe a coach needs time to recruit his players and implement his plan. However, during that period, certain things should reflect improvement:

  1. Assignments. This team misses assignments repeatedly. Safetys are continually moving forward at the snap and biting on fakes, only to end up chasing a receiver down the field. This should not happen. The safety is named 'safety' for a reason. Our team is also consistently out of position. During the KSU game, everyone in the stands knew Cline was likely going to keep the ball on an option or a read play. I watched Oporum bite hard on a zone read, run from the right side of the line to the left to blast the running back, only to have Cline keep the ball and run right through the hole Oporum created. Assignments! Against an option team (KSU & GT), each player has to play his assignment.You don't have to have great athletes to stop an option team but you MUST play assignment sound football.

  2. Penalties. Our players repeatedly make the same mistakes over and over again. Three separate penalties on a kickoff return? How is that even possible? If it was just one return, fine, but we have been penalized multiple times on returns this year, and even multiple times in one game. Offsides on our receivers? They aren't supposed to go by the count, they just watch the ball like the defense. These penalties are inexcusable. I don't mind the occasional facemask, because those things happen. But the basic stuff should be fixed.

  3. Preparedness. Our team consistently looks unprepared. I understand you are limited with how much time you can practice each week, but we should not be unprepared for every contingency that happens in the game. Fourth and two from the 23 down by 6 in the first half? Kick or go? What does the chart say? Third and long and we haven't run the ball very well? They will probably blitz. What do we have for that (besides an inside draw). When we're on D and the other team lines up with five receivers we shouldn't look like we have no idea what to do. It should be, "Hey, five wides, we saw this in film study and practiced for it, they will probably do A, B or C."

The fact is, I just don't see these qualities emerging. I've calmed down after the KSU game, but if we don't see improvement in those areas by the end of the year, I think I may end up falling squarely in the "Fire Gill" camp. I do think that would be unfortunate, because I think he can be a good coach and he is a good guy. We just are not at a time when we can have another year of this.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 8 months ago

Thanks. For the record, I think the most likely and possibly the best solution is to bring in new coordinators after the season. Keep Gill, which would give him more time to implement his system and save the school a truckload of money, and keep many of the position coaches. I definitely want to keep Mitchell, Beatty and Grimes. I'm not sure where I stand on Long as OC. Yes the offense is improved, but the talent level there is pretty good. The play calling at times has been suspect and at other times has been downright horrible. Every now and then I see glimpses (the statue of liberty play against TT, for example) that makes me think there is some creativity there, but it's just not consistent enough to sustain drives throughout the game.

teemvee 6 years, 8 months ago

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texashawk10 6 years, 8 months ago

One thing I will point out in criticism of Opurum is that he is an OLB and when defending the option, the OLB's assignment is almost always the RB and the DE is responsible for the QB so if Klein is keeping the ball instead of handing off, that means that DE isn't doing his job in forcing the pitch or handoff and the OLB is then forced to chase the QB as a result. Just thought I would point that out being a former DE that played against mostly spread option offenses in high school.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 8 months ago

You might be correct, and I will admit I don't know Opurum's specific assignment on that play (or any other). However, with the 3-4 defense, Opurum almost lines up on the line, frequently in a three point stance. On those plays, he is essentially operating as a defensive end that will switch sides depending on strong/weak side and the defensive play call. We never played a 3-4 defense in high school (we actually ran a 4-4--now a relic) so I guess it is possible Opurum had RB responsibility, but if that is the case, the hole he left on the right side of the line was huge.

bjejayhawk69 6 years, 8 months ago

It would be nice if Gill could "turn this around". The problem with watching these games is obvious coaching issues. Lack of halftime or in game adjustments is the most glaring - other coaches are making them - KU is not. These are rampant thru every game. If I need to point them out then you are not watching the games or are ignorant of how the game should be coached. Holding players accountable for repeated mistakes. Once a mistake is made I don't see Gill or any body else getting on a player or even coaching them after wards. I watched Synder address player mistake and then the position coach addressed it as well. The thing is KSU made so few of them because every situation / scheme is already covered in practice. Maybe we make so many of them there isn't time during the game to address them.

I would also rather Gill take responsibility and take it to heart the fact that KU is most likely with worst defensive team not only this year but possbily record setting. We could not stop NIU when we played them. They are not a top 10 ten team or even close to it. Did they even punt in that game. The argument that we so young is not valid as well. Gill chooses to play guys he recruited and not upper classmen. That is why we are so young. Manginos last year our defense was middle of the road and we didn't have NFL level players on it either.

I would be OK with current state of the program if we were even competitive - WE ARE NOT REMOTELY competitive in these games. And pointing out how we have improved on offense and special teams is nice but last time I checked football is a TEAM game. The scoreboard and how competitive and close we are at the end of the game is what ultimately matters. WE aren't even close.

Bville Hawk 6 years, 8 months ago

bjejayhawk- you say "I would be OK with current state of the program if we were even competitive" and I think that is my main frustration. When was the last game we competed for the entire game, Northern Illinois? Yeah, we compete for the 1st quarter or 2 then we're done. There seems to be no mental toughness, no team attitude of we'll hang in this one and maybe something good will happen for us. We just fold, shut it down, give it up, see ya later. To me, that is what is most deplorable and I think it reflects directly on the lack or intensity or fire that our head coach brings to the game.

I'm trying to think of other coaches that seem so impassive on the sideline. There are a few but not many. TG's college coach, Tom Osborne comes to mind, but Tom had a PhD in psychology so he was probably pushing other buttons on his players... If TG is trying to emulate Dr. Tom, he needs to bring the whole package.

Gregor Southard 6 years, 8 months ago

3-9 was expected. Losing by 30-50 points a game wasn't. Normally, I would say give the guy three years, but this is ridiculous.

jartiv 6 years, 8 months ago

I like the loyalty the players have for Gill... but I'll stop short of patting everybody on the back.

Are you kids in college or what? You're worried about Gill's job??????? He is going to walk away with his money no matter what happens! Awesome that you are working hard for your coaches but the point that we as fans are making is that OUR coaches are NOT working hard for YOU.

Open your eyes kids... we do not have the right staff, scheme, or game plan to win games. If Gill can't put it together, he has no place here.

Ron Prichard 6 years, 8 months ago

Seriously, get a life. Your bizarre and creepy obsession with jaybate is getting old. If you don't like his posts, just skip them. None of us will ever be hired to be a major college football coach or athletic director, so your opinion, jaybate's opinion and my opinion all have about the same value.

KGphoto 6 years, 8 months ago

If you don't understand jaybate it's cool, but don't take it out on him because he has a certain mastery of the language you'll never have. It's entertaining. Just enjoy it.

And I'm waiting for the list of potential candidates from you and herpes. You want to be helpful? Start looking yourself. Then enlighten us all with your perfect solution.

Phoghorn 6 years, 8 months ago

The positives are more or less "coach-speak". It seems as though Coach Gill does not want to excoriate his team in front of the media. I like his postive outlook, I just hope it starts translating into wins.

kcarod72 6 years, 8 months ago

The only positive a D1 coach should speak of are wins. If he doesn't win, there is nothing he should speak about. We deserve better as fans and should expect a better coached offense with better play calling. Go away Tuner Gil, you were a horrible hire to begin with.

David Atchley 6 years, 8 months ago

How does the BCS ranking factor-in "moral victories?"

Marvin Koelsch 6 years, 8 months ago

Thank you for the correction. While I had the good fortune to watch Gail Sayers play football, I have always been more of a basketball fan. I still remember watching Jo Jo White gliding across the court.

Cal Bender 6 years, 8 months ago

If the team wins two more games this year, I think Gill will probably get his third year. If it wins one more game this year, and is competitive in the rest, he'll probably get his third year, but maybe not. If the team loses all of the remaining games, I believe AD Zenger will have the courage to "fix it."

cobweb 6 years, 8 months ago

The bad hire was Perkins who had a reputation before KU. They got greedy and went for the money. Perkins then quadruples a salary for no reason at all since anybody would leave Buffalo for a 50% raise. Zenger gets no credit if Gill turns it around. Gill is luckier than a dog with two * and will leave with a ton of money. Hire the guy from Boise and agree to put in a blue field.

troutsee 6 years, 8 months ago

If he gets blown out by TU, TAM, Baylor, and MU and loses to ISU....good bye. If he loses all but makes a game of it in all, maybe he gets a 3rd year because that would show improvement. Two wins and he gets a 3rd year for sure. Based on what I have seen over the last two seasons, two wins out of the remaining games seems unlikely and there will probably be more blow outs to endure.

I would be totally against hiring Mike Stoops as HC. He doesn't have what it takes to be an effective head coach. I'd be luke warm on hiring him as a DC as well, but he is probably better suited for that level of coaching.

Ashwin Rao 6 years, 8 months ago

Cool, we still have a chance at getting a bowl if we win the final 5 games! We will be 7-5! I wonder which bowl we will be invited to? :)

jayhawk2144 6 years, 8 months ago

you know i was watching a replay video of Ku football back in 2004. It just seem like we were bigger and more phyiscial on Offense and Defense than we have been the past 2 years. Just saying that we just dont seem that big when you compare us to other teams. I mean just look how KSU just handle us.

Blake Post 6 years, 8 months ago

This is stupid. He hasn't had any time to do the.job. I give five years.

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