Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Source says Mizzou primed to join SEC

University of Missouri Interim President Steve Owens, left, and Chancellor Brady Deaton leave a news conference following a meeting of the Board of Curators, Tuesday, Oct. 4, 2011, in St. Louis. Missouri will leave the Big 12 for the SEC.

University of Missouri Interim President Steve Owens, left, and Chancellor Brady Deaton leave a news conference following a meeting of the Board of Curators, Tuesday, Oct. 4, 2011, in St. Louis. Missouri will leave the Big 12 for the SEC.


The University of Missouri appears primed to leave the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference, a university official with direct knowledge of the situation told the New York Times on Monday night.

The person told the Times that MU’s decision to apply for membership to the SEC was “inevitable and imminent,” although a specific timeframe has yet to be set.

Missouri’s Board of Curators will meet Thursday and Friday at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, where the process of withdrawing from the Big 12 and applying to the SEC is expected to begin. Expansion is not listed on the agenda, but there is a private session scheduled Thursday afternoon and Friday morning.

After it applies, the person said that Missouri expected “no problems” with gathering enough votes among SEC presidents for it to become a member.

Two sources indicated to on Monday morning that “everything was on track” for a move by Mizzou to the SEC.

One source said: “I’m 100 percent sure we’re going to the SEC.” reports that MU’s next step is likely to soon announce a “conditional withdrawal” from the Big 12 Conference. The withdrawal would be conditional in that it would depend upon the Tigers’ acceptance into the SEC.

It is believed that contrary to what Big 12 Commissioner Chuck Neinas said last week, Missouri could start SEC play as early as next season. Missouri would become the SEC’s 14th member. The league added Texas A&M; in September. The SEC would prefer 14 members, as scheduling is a much simpler process with two seven-team divisions.

The Big 12 is expected to add either one or three universities once Missouri announces it is leaving, the Times indicated. That could again affect the Big East Conference, with the Big 12’s targets likely to include Louisville and West Virginia, with independent BYU also a possibility to account for 12 teams. Big 12 expansion committee chairman Burns Hargis, the president of Oklahoma State, said Saturday that he would prefer a 12-team league, but acknowledged his preference might not matter.


kusportsdotcom 10 years, 3 months ago

"Conditional withdrawal"... what a joke. Hey Big12, we're going to withdraw but only if we end up getting accepted into the SEC. If we don't get accepted, then that whole withdrawal thing was a joke...

Can the Big12 just make the first move and kick them out already? This is getting ridiculous. Mizzou is NOT bigger than the conference, but they're acting like it.

danmoore 10 years, 3 months ago

No, don't kick them out. Let them leave so we can get their exit fee.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

Why kick them out? If they want to leave, make them earn it and then force them to pay the maximum on their buyout. Kicking them out of the conference lets MU off the hook financially. If they don't end up getting the votes for the SEC, let them have their 10 year grant of rights and if the Big 12 ends up becoming extremely watered down after the 6 year grant of rights because UT and OU leave along with everyone else, MU is still losing money for the next 4 years because of their wish to have a 10 year grant of rights instead of playing nice with everyone else. If we really want to see Missouri suffer throughout this, make them suffer financially before they even line up against Alabama or LSU.

baldwinjhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Mizzou belongs with states that the average high school dropout rate is 40%.. Good bye

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 3 months ago

Premature withdrawal seems to fit Mizzou. Last year it was all about the Big 10 but they took Nebraska instead. Now it's the SEC..if they leave, I hope we severe all ties, academic and athletic. I agree cw/the above sentiment..kick them out.

John Randall 10 years, 3 months ago

That is neither here nor there. Missouri pretends eagerness to cast aside the conference kinship it has shared with Kansas since 1907. Shameful as their hubris has become, we should lament the passing of so much heritage, if it does occur.

MDHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Quite sure that can't be stated any better. Good post.

danmoore 10 years, 3 months ago

First OU-NU and now KU-MU. They have been playing each other for over a century. Disappointing that schools are so willing to toss away their history.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 3 months ago

This is on Missouri..the Big 12 has righted itself. If they decide that the heritage and traditions going back to 1907 and NOT with just Kansas are not worth preserving than good riddance.

Steve Corder 10 years, 3 months ago

As does a couple of B12 teams. They'll be changing the color of the pot in which they boil.

actorman 10 years, 3 months ago

Good riddance. I can't wait to see the tiggers get slaughtered on a regular basis. And they're handling everything about this in their usual classy way.

drewsmith84 10 years, 3 months ago

As long as KU is one of those 3 AAU schools, why does it matter? Do we really care how good the academics are at other schools in our conference? We don't compete against them in academics, just athletics.

Sam Constance 10 years, 3 months ago

While you may be correct, clearly nothing about realignment is being driven by anything resembling "cooperation" or "affiliation".

Jaminrawk 10 years, 3 months ago

MIZZOU joining the SEC will give the SEC 3 total AAU schools. So it's not like the Big XII is going to be the bottom feeder. Sadly two of those will be MIZZOU and A&M. Man the SEC was/is stupid.

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

SEC would have 4 if MU joins, Florida and Vandy are also AAU schools.

actorman 10 years, 3 months ago

I will admit, though, this does present a dilemma: who the hell do we root for (or, should I say, against) when Misuse plays UK in basketball? Much as I feel the need to vomit by writing this, I would probably root for Misuse so that KU could continue to gain on the UK kitties in overall wins.

John Randall 10 years, 3 months ago

I, for one, would make sure my TV set isn't counted in that game's audience. That would be one time the "rooting" belongs among the fecal matter in the sty.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Kentucky. No question.

I hate mizzou, but absolutely love the rivalry. If they leave, "then I say f*** you Jobu. I do it myself."

They walk away from what is easily the greatest historical rivalry in college sports and maybe in any sport for the chance to earn essentially no more money and be a complete doormat of their league, then nothing will bring me more joy than cheering their defeat in every possible way.

My second favorite team will be whomever is playing mizzou.

No matter the opponent.

Bob Schutz 10 years, 3 months ago

Love the "Major League" quote.....How about "Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill...."

shelleysue 10 years, 3 months ago

If they go to the SEC, they will soon be saying. "Missouri? Yeah we still have a team. We have uniforms and everything." Because they are going to get chewed up and spit out routinely. Which I find quite comforting. But I hate that our rivalry ends.

MDHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Almost spit out my coffee when I read the quote...hilarious reference.

actorman 10 years, 3 months ago

LOVE all the Major League references! I maintain that it is still the greatest sports movie of all time.

And you guys have convinced me. Please don't let anyone know that I actually briefly entertained the notion of rooting for Misuse. I'm deeply ashamed and can only plead temporary insanity.

drewsmith84 10 years, 3 months ago

Let us remember the one team who is still ahead of us in all-time wins, despite some shall we say sketchy history... anything that helps KU achieve its rightful place as the winningest all-time basketball program is something I can root for. Once we're #1, I couldn't care less who wins, I take the "if a game is played but nobody watches it, did it happen" strategy of KU62 below.

CalebZahnd 10 years, 3 months ago

It is in these situations that we pray for a meteorite to crash into the arena, taking both teams out. It's the only logical response.

danmoore 10 years, 3 months ago

Will probably take some time before I stop despising mizoo but I expect eventually to become completely indifferent.

FoCoCoHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Would in be politically incorrect to root for injuries? Nothing serious...a sprained ankle, a Tiger power forward diving into Calapari to save a ball. That kind of thing.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Saturday, November 26th may be the last time we play the greatest historical rivalry in all of college sports. Out of respect for all the years we have played, and everything that has been involved in it, I can think of only one thing to say to that university over in columbia, missouri. There seems to be only one thing our fans could chant that would express everything that has existed between these two institutions of higher learning for over 100 years and these two states for well over a century and a half. There is truly only one way that we could let the administration, the alumni and fans know exactly what it means when they leave the Big 12 to join the SEC. Out of nothing by pure respect, we have to let them know exactly what they will be when they enter the Southeastern Conference....

"Doormat! Doormat!" (clap, clap... clap, clap, clap).... "Doormat! Doormat!" (clap, clap... clap, clap, clap)...

I expect to hear nothing else.

For that is all they deserve.

KUAlum2000 10 years, 3 months ago

that would be the pot calling the kettle black, i think.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 3 months ago

That's kind of the point. They can at least compete in their current conference in football. If the Big 12 expands back to 12, then they have a realistic shot each year to compete for a chance at a Big12 championship game and a possible BCS bowl. That includes the Texas recruits they are able to pull in by being a part of this league. Move them to the SEC, and, perennially, they finish 10th-14th every single year. Maybe an 8th place finish here and there, but they will never even come close at a shot at the conference. And they lose a lot of their Texas recruiting ties. Their win/lose record drops which means less frequent bowl appearances. Mediocrity at the absolute best. Doormat every other year.

Pot calling the kettle a black and gold doormat makes sense in this instance. And actually makes the statement that much worse.

bigjay83 10 years, 3 months ago

It's really not that complicated. He is saying Missouri will be a doormat regularly in the same way KU is now. The only difference being that Missouri is making a conscious choice of taking themselves from a conference they can compete in (at least half of it) to one they cannot. They are making themselves a doormat purposefully.

You may think that Mizzou fans won't take it that way, but they are a group of cousin-humping, toothless morons, after all.

And at the end of the day, KU will compete to build themselves back up to contend for bowl games and an occasional B12 championship game (assuming the conference moves to 12). If they leave, MU will always be a doormat, no matter what.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 3 months ago


I HOPE THE SEC MAKES THEM CHANGE THEIR MASCOT. PERHAPS THE CLOWNS OR THE SMITH'S (Charles Smith rejected several times from point blank vs. The Bulls)? AS THEY WANTED TO BE IN BIG10 AND WERE REJECTED, AND WHEN THEY GET REJECTED by the SEC (Southern EXPLOITATION CONFERENCE). This school just suks, scum of the earth Mizzou... Everyone else gets along for once and there they are effing it all up, hope they get rejected, not because I want them to stay, but rather to watch them be rejected, yet again.


jhawk23 10 years, 3 months ago

That's weird. "Conditional withdrawal" to a Methzou fan usually goes something like this: "I'll pull out, Becky Sue, unless you promise not to get pregnant. Pinky swearsies?"

Brak 10 years, 3 months ago

Winner! Plus Becky Sue is a damn liar, thats why they gots 7 other kids.

phogthedog 10 years, 3 months ago

Missouri, Don't let the door hit you in the tucked tail on your way out. Good riddance.

Chicago_JHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

I hope they'd be on the hook for the financial buyout even if the withdrawal is conditional and they don't get the SEC votes and have to come back.

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 3 months ago

sorry for the repeat post from the realignment blog.

I hate mizzou.

JacquesMerde 10 years, 3 months ago

So? Your heart is in the right place and your attitude is super.

JacquesMerde 10 years, 3 months ago

Good News. KU needs to stop playing them in all sports. Let's see if KC is their or our town. Someone said that LSU and Alabama would rip them a new one. Well OU and Texas usually do that already. I think Vanderbilt and Ole Miss will rip them as well. They are destined to be last or near last in the 7 member western division in football and basketball.

What I wonder about is why the SEC is willing to scrape the bottom of the barrel and add this sorry bunch? Is the Wal-Mart fortune paying MU off for the free degree? You know Paige Arena.

This reminds me of the joke that the SEC held a raffle and first place was a five dollar bill to be dragged through a trailer park in Georgia or Mississippi and last place was a four year full paid scholarship to Texas A&M and/or the University of Missouri.

Bion Ostrander 10 years, 3 months ago

Conditional withdrawal, then make them pay a "conditional" withdrawal payment. If they owe the Big 12 an amount of $15 million for withdrawing, then start the clock now and start amortizing that over 12 months, if in 6 months they decide to stay then they still pay the Big 12 $7.5 m (half of the $15 m) for being a wishy washy pain in the butt, and if they go, they pay the full $15 m. That should speed up their decision process. Who cares, Louisville will be a much better replacement for them, open new markets to the Big 12, better b-ball school and prestigious coach (didn't say I liked him), bigger athletic budget than Mizzou, no Antlers, and fewer banjo playing in-breeds. Big deal that Louisville is not consistently as good in football as Mizzou has been the past few years, Louisville still puts more people in the football stadium than KU (thats not difficult), with avg. attendance of 49,000 this year and 51,000 last year, with peak attendance of 55,000 last year - - KU can't even put 55,000 in Memorial. And by the way, Louisville was 3rd, note that, in NCAA basketball attendance last year at 19,397 per game, only behind KY and Syracuse (KU was 9th). See below top 10.

2010 NCAA DIVISION I MEN'S BASKETBALL ATTENDANCE TEAM LEADERS Rank School GAttendance Average 1. Kentucky 24,111 2. Syracuse 22,152 3. Louisville 19,397 4. Tennessee 19,168 5. North Carolina 17,786 6. Wisconsin 17,230 7. Maryland 16,792 8. Memphis 16,498 9. Kansas 16,433 10. Marquette 15,617 11. Indiana 17 260,028 15,296

Dump the Tigers!

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 3 months ago

I think the withdrawal fees are estimated to be around $19-$23MM this year. Last year when NU and CU left it was $10 and $7 respectively, but with the new contract in place that each of these schools signed, the fees went up significantly based on Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenue. I believe that at the point they have left the Tier 1/2 were shared at 79%, and therefore they would forgo at the minimum 79%, but A&M would probably be closer to the $23 and MU will be closer to the $19.

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 3 months ago

This is how the embarrassment with the whole supposed Big 10 invite started!!!! LMAO

bradynsdad 10 years, 3 months ago

Good thing we grabbed louisville and west Virginia before the big east decided to raise it's exit fees...wait a second. Dang it they already did it.

JayDocMD 10 years, 3 months ago

I saw that too. It is "only" 10 million, which isn't a deal breaker, but I'm still wondering how that passed? With UConn and Rutgers looking ACC and WV and Louisville (and maybe even Cinci or S Florida) looking elsewhere, why would those schools shoot themselves in the foot by voting for that.

I'm assuming the higher exit fee would require a vote, and I'm also thinking the basketball-only schools wouldn't get to bind the football-playing schools (maybe have different exit rules?) but I'm not sure. Anybody know?

texashawk10 10 years, 3 months ago

CBS has been reporting the the raise to $10 million is conditional upon Air Force and Navy joining the Big East as football only members.

jrbill67 10 years, 3 months ago

Great decision. Will take Missouri from competing for the top spot in Big 12 North every year to being a doormat in the SEC in all sports. Who makes these decisions?

Scott Smetana 10 years, 3 months ago

When the SEC says they're staying at their current level and shuns Missery just like the B1G did, I say the Big 12 promptly kicks them out.

ejlumus 10 years, 3 months ago

plus a trillion.

mizzery has caused 100% of the instability for the Big 12.

If sec denies .... forget the money .... just kick 'em out ..... just GTFO!!!!!!

Sally Presson 10 years, 3 months ago

MU is a joke!!! Why in the world they think they can compete in the SEC is beyond me. Good heavens--look at their fb record. SEC doormat is putting it mildly, it's more than time for them to get out. They pulled this last year and were embarrassed because the Big 10 didn't want them, does the SEC want them? They can't leave too soon, their fans are rude and crude, lets see how they get along when they go into a new league and pull that stuff on those fans.

middleoftheroader 10 years, 3 months ago

Missouri is going to go from relative obscurity to obscurity.

MDHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

Well, it was a good run...absolute shame to see another 100 year rivalry cast by the wayside to satisfy greed and wanderlust.

I guess their rival now gets to be...TA&M? Arkansas? Battle of the Ozarks, anyone? Maybe they could move their new rivalry game to Branson, and include a free pass to a go-cart track and mini-golf for all in attendance.

tobyfoo 10 years, 3 months ago

Maybe it's all for the best. We can find a new rival that is worthy of our basketball team. All good things must come to an end, but really how good has it been lately? Not too competitive in basketball. We all love to hate the tigers, and we still can. We can also start a new and more exciting rivalry. Time to move on.

Steve Brown 10 years, 3 months ago

"Immenient and Inevitable." sad day. Hard not to be emotional about this divorce, like MU is leaving us and our '57 chevy for a guy with a new Cutlass 442. (not that I carry any baggage) This is not good for KU or KC, after KC loses BBall tourney. We can replace the Arrowhead $$ with a non conf. game against Huskers or Iowa, they will help fill the 80,000 seats and we need the money. what pisses me off is knowing that from MU perspective, this is likely the right move. 1. our new exit fees are a short 6 years. maybe should have been a rolling six years, renewable every year for another 6 ytr. term. 2. you got OU Boren calling a news conference 15 minutes before Deaton was to speak to press about Big 12 stability. Stepped all over him. 3. You got LHN and texas folks proclaiming, "say what you say, but we are who we are, and not changing" Too many lone rangers in the Big 12 and MU is breaking my heart, I love competing with them, yet know in bottom of my heart, they are making the correct move. Is there a silver lining,not sure, can we get on some of their Texas recruits that are about to commit that wish to stay in B12? Hope so.

Sam Constance 10 years, 3 months ago

I have a hard time buying this as the correct move.

I especially have a hard time if those are the three reasons why it's a good move.

1 is somewhat valid, but an issue that is theoretically negotiable and leaving a conference on those grounds is a severe overreaction (or a case of needing a scapegoat/justification)

2 and #3 are basically two universities running their mouths and being jerks. Obnoxious, yes, but again either a complete overreaction or a case of a school with it's mind made up needing to find ways to justify it's decision.

DCLawHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

This might be the best move for Mizzou, but this is terrible for the city of Kansas City and the state of Missouri. The Big 12 basketball tourney is gone. That will cost KC millions. Does the state government (which, after all, funds a huge fraction of Mizzou's budget) really plan to let this revenue destroying decision happen?

danmoore 10 years, 3 months ago

I guess KSU becomes our rival by default. I'll miss the rivalry with miscue but I won't miss their fans.

danmoore 10 years, 3 months ago

What I really find funny is how badly the mu people have played their hand. They tried to get in the Big 10 in 1990 and then again last year. They have made no attempt in concealing their preference for the Big 10 while simultaneously attempting to gain admittance to SEC. Then they commission a report to determine if membership in the SEC will diminish their academic prestige and hand it over to the Associated Press. Apparently Deaton does not believe in playing his cards close to the vest. I would love to play poker with this guy.

jgkojak 10 years, 3 months ago

Who should we replace them with?

1) BYU: Kind of a no-brainer. A little geographically unsound, but they'll travel just as much in the WAC, MWC or as an Indy. They bring a media market the size of Kansas City plus other TVs all over the country/West. Academically higher rated than KU. Better football and basketball than MU. And they have those 25 year old seniors playing (since they do their mission work for 2 years and don't play) which is fun.

A 10-team B12 with BYU is a pretty solid conference and I'd probably stick there. But BYU is balking a little at joining the B12, so my next choices:

2) Tulane. Surprised? Tulane is an AAU school (Top 40 nationally), used to be in the SEC, is based in New Orleans. It brings the B12 another AAU school, and really, Tulane in the B12 is no different than Duke or Vanderbilt in their conferences.

3) DePaul. Non-football, but DePaul gets you in the Chicago area for everything else, and gives you the ability to go to 12 teams for basketball and other sports.

4) Marquette or Notre Dame. Ditto. Question: would Notre Dame be interested in leaving the Big East (for non football) if we got 'em DePaul as a partner?

Chicago_JHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

No one in Chicago cares about DePaul, so that's not an attractive option from that standpoint.

Ludwig Supraphonic 10 years, 3 months ago

I guess some of Big12 schools would enjoy a Big Easy vacation enough to sell some seats in the Superdome. Tulane fans interested in coming to Lawrence, Stillwater, Manhattan or Ames could save money and carpool in a minivan. Since we wouldn't need to play football with the Chicago schools and we can already see the best area hoops recruits in the Big12 and BiG; why not add the U. of Chicago for academics.

DCLawHawk 10 years, 3 months ago

I know you are kidding, but U. of Chicago is not a division one school for athletics. It used to be (and was a member of the Big 10), but it is not anymore. Its athletic budget is tiny.

Ludwig Supraphonic 10 years, 3 months ago

I'm kidding, though I can see how unclear that may be. I have to hope many of the other suggestions posted for additional conference members are tongue-in-cheek

brooksmd 10 years, 3 months ago

I vote Tulane. Jayhawk basketball in my backyard once a year is better than nothing.

yates33333 10 years, 3 months ago

I don't think BYU is academically any better than KU. People who cite various rankings, such as the U.S. News and World Report, should look at the criteria used by the groups deciding these rankings. Money may buy a lot of things, but I am not so sure education is one of them. Most of the criteria are based on or influenced mainly by money. That said, I hope BYU joins.

I do agree that Notre Dame and Marquette would be ideal members. It will probably never happen but a great idea. I think Tulane isn't a bad idea. A team we can probably beat in any case and a first rate school. I think DePaul is a bad idea.

Bear86 10 years, 3 months ago

Can you blame Mizzou for wanting to leave the Big 12? Look at the instability and Texas agenda that's been driven down the leagues throat the last 2 years. It's disappointing Mizzou will leave the Big 12 but with all that has happend I don't blame them one bit. My question is why doesn't KU get an offer from another league? It's clear KU Football has been the glaring weakness but the overall Athletic Program (with the exception of Mens Basket Ball) is a joke. Last in the Big 12. No Mens Swimming, Tennis, Soccer, etc. KU could not even find an AD from a BCS conference. Their 1st choice: Tulsa AD turned KU down to stay at Tulsa. It was just announced he took the AD job at North Carolina. Until things get fixed at the top KU will continue to struggle and carry the perception they are not committed to anything except Mens BB. The last 2 years have been very dark chapters in KU's history. Hopefully we learn from this and never get put in this weak position ever again. F-Texas!

ejlumus 10 years, 3 months ago

Give me a break! BGL???? What's the problrm????? Public negotiate ..... is that what you want? She got rid of that idiot lp. What more do you want? TG was a bad hire ... that needs to play out.

Ludwig Supraphonic 10 years, 3 months ago

Even back in the early 90s when Mizzery was shopping around to leave the Big 8 it was still Texas fault.

brooksmd 10 years, 3 months ago

Hmmm, me thinks the SEC knows they weakened the conference a bit by taking the Aggies. So do they really want to make it worse by adding Fizzoo? I would think they would be looking for somebody to give them more strength instead of another doormat. Just my thought.

Bear86 10 years, 3 months ago

The SEC did not weaken the conference by Taking aTm (2nd largest school in the largest state of America) or by adding Mizzou. Geographically they pick up the St. Louis market and half the KC market. So what if MU get's rolled by Bama, Fla, Auburn, etc. every year. No different than KU getting rolled by OU, Texas, everyone else in our conference. SEC now has a school in Texas which should only strengthen recruiting. Additionally Jerry Jones is hosting more games at his new stadium which will feature SEC teams (Jerry's an Arkansas grad). The B1G could shore up the middle (Kansas) by adding KU but with our weak Football program and pathetic minor sports programs the B1G doesn't need or want KU.

Sam Constance 10 years, 3 months ago

I laugh every time I hear KC being referred to as "half MU".

Kansas City is a KU town, with a decent chunk of KSU and MU fans. But make no mistake, the order of fan interest in this city is:

1) KU 2) KU 3) KSU 4) MU

I also laugh at the idea that having ONE Texas school in the SEC is now going to change what has been a long-term trend of there being very view top-rated recruits out of Texas in the SEC. The SEC has historically not recruited well in Texas. Do people really believe the lunacy that having a single Texas school on the schedule (for SOME of the teams in the SEC, not all) is going to change the ability of these schools to pull Texas recruits? Like all these kids were there thinking "man, I'd love to play in the SEC, but there aren't ANY Texas schools in the conference". Ridiculous.

Lastly--you've alluded to this twice now... nothing about conference realignment has a freaking thing to do with "minor sports programs". Sports besides football and basketball at most schools LOSE money. Typically football (and basketball to a lesser degree) provide the revenue to support the continuation of said "minor sports".

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 3 months ago

I was reading an interview with the BYU president on, I think. He admitted they had been talking with the Big12 and commented how he appreciated the way they kept it quiet just the way he was keeping it quiet. He never really said much one way or another about BYU's feelings about anything, but it made me wonder if they had been told they were the top of the list if Mizzou left. Since they are independent, that's the one school I'd believe you could get to agree to that. Just my gut feeling. No better than any of the other speculation on here, but interesting to think about.

ZDKC 10 years, 3 months ago

Fact: There is a 2:1 banjo to person ratio in the state of missouri

jaybate 10 years, 3 months ago

I cannot believe no one asks the crucial question yet again.

Why isn't KU jumping with MU, or alone?

KU brings more value to any conference than MU, or TAM, or CU, or NU.

Why does KU leadership stay in an unstable conference that is wrecking its recruiting in hoops, and doesn't help its success in football?

KU leadership's continued inaction makes likely that KU is a colonial holding of The Texas and The Oklahoma.

KU is not allowed by whatever oligarchy rules it to pursue its own best interests.

And if KU is acting like a colonial school, it suggests that perhaps the state of Kansas has been colonized.

Very sad. Very sad day indeed.

Steve Brown 10 years, 3 months ago

I pulled into Lawrenceton up Jeb Stuart drive to see the old Jefferson Davis field house and Robt. E. Lee court.

Old KU looks grand in the fall, autumn leaves, cotton waving in the wind, students whistling Dixie, there is the Eli Whitney science hall, and Al Jolson theater, Senator Henry Byrd business school.

Went downtown on Charleston Street to the river to have some sweet tea and watch the paddle boats dock.

Auntie 'Em, auntie 'Em wake me up I want to go home.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 3 months ago

jabate..w/respect, I have to disagree.

'KU brings more value to any conference than MU, or TAM, or CU, or NU.'

How do you figure..our athletic dept is a joke, maybe (probably) the worst in conference. K-State beat us 13-1 last year in all sports. They just kicked our ass in football AND volleyball this weak and K State is a step below every school in your statement.

If we slide in basketball..what's left?

Jack Wilson 10 years, 3 months ago

<p>" reports that MU’s next step is likely to soon announce a “conditional withdrawal” from the Big 12 Conference. The withdrawal would be conditional in that it would depend upon the Tigers’ acceptance into the SEC."

Conditional? I wonder if the Big 12 contract permits a "conditional" withdrawal. Sounds as if there is cause to simply expel them, and treat the conditional withdrawal as a withdrawal in fact .. the concept of anticipatory repudiation. I'd be interested if the Big 12 contract permits this dance. I can tell you what, if I were making a decision here, I would act quickly to boot Mizzou, and ink BYU, West Va., and Louisville.

It would be way too perfect .. I mean I couldn't even really dream this .. but how nice would it be for MU to conditionally withdraw, the Big 12 says "see ya", the SEC rejects the application, and MU gets left holding their .. er, tail? The good Lord could not use his power in a better way.

MU is pathetic, always have been, always will be. I don't blame them for going to the SEC, though. But be a man, so to speak .. do what A&M did. Withdraw. Then pursue your invite. MU is a bunch of little girls.

And the Big 10 didn't want them. How embarrassing ... stood up on a first date, only to have a good friend (NU), take the spot you were duped into believing you had.

If they leave, and conference realignment blows up again, MU being gone removes a competitor for KU for a Big 10 spot (possible bonus).

And to all .. please stop with the AAU school stuff. I didn't even know what the hell that was until 2010 when all the crap came up. Who cares? If West Va./Louisville/BYU can play ball, increase our basketball standing, ensure Self stays at KU, and provide stability, I don't care if they are a freaking commuter college.

MU .. don't go away mad .. just go away (with apologies to Motley Crue).

LogicMan 10 years, 3 months ago

"(with apologies to Motley Crue)"

That zinger was definitely used earlier, for example in a Clint Eastwood movie.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 3 months ago


I swear, Mizzou keeps leaking these stories for attention.

Do it or don't, Missouri, I've got places to be. I won't read another of these articles unless the title is "mizzou accepts SEC invite", if that ever happens.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 3 months ago

Or a better headline: "Mizzou leaves Big XII and SEC does not accept Mizzou"

LogicMan 10 years, 3 months ago

I don't think MU would withdrawal from the Big 12 without at least a prior verbal assurance from the SEC. Or maybe it will be a big surprise, like an invite from the Big 10?

Or maybe they are just trying to force the Big 10's hand by taking this gamble on "conditional withdrawal" and public-flirting with the SEC.

If they end up in either, without KU there too, they should be under no illusions that the KU/MU FB and BB games will continue, and the blame is squarely on their shoulders.

Louisville, UWV, and others interested in the Big 12 should empower their presidents to accept quickly if Chuck calls!

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 10 years, 3 months ago

Looks like Mizzou wants to be part of the Confederacy after all.

Careful what you wish for, Tiggers. This could end very, very badly for you.....

AZHawk72 10 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate, we can never join the SEC without renaming our teams and getiing a new mascot. Over the years people have been incensed over the constant images of the confederate flag during key SEC clashes.

Now, how are southerners going to take to Jayhawkers: "A band of antislavery guerrillas in Kansas and Missouri before and during the Civil War." Thanks, Websters, for the somewhat stiff definition. Also, twice this week I've read: "The entire Big 12 is loaded this year except for Kansas."

Still, the Big East is trying to outflank us and we need to respond--and I mean now.

North: Kansas, Kansas-State, Iowa-State, +West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville and BYU. South: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma-State, and either SMU (who beat TCU this year) or Houston (who is ranked, unbeaten, and outrecruited Kansas in basketball this year.)

Some opportunities only happen once. To counter the shrinkage we need to respond with more. One leaves, two come in. Two leave, four must come in. We have a numbers problem that must be dealt with now. The availabilites will be slim after the Big Least beefs-up to keep from extinction. If we don't go East, then at least add to the North with BYU and Air Force--and none of this "football only" bs--you're in with all your programs or go to the Big Least and pretend to be Notre Dame.

And get a conference name that doesn't include an irrelevant number, or we'll be viewed as stupid as the anti-math Big 10.


jmucci 10 years, 3 months ago

All I want to say is, "Welcome to the Big 12, Louisville, West Virginia, and Brigham Young!" The new Big 12:


See ya missery!

jbc03c 10 years, 3 months ago

I understand why the Big 12 would be interested in West Virginia, but I don't get Louisville. If the Big 12 only expands to 12, which I think is a mistake, they need to offer membership to South Florida. Louisville hasn't been relevant in years and doesn't have the media market or recruiting potential of USF. That said, if it were my decision I would add BYU, USF, West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinatti. Fourteen is the new twelve...and the reason the Big 12 has become an easy target is because of unequal revenue sharing and their failure to retain and expand into new media markets, like the Big 10, Pac 12 and more recently the ACC. Poach or be poached.

jaybate 10 years, 3 months ago

jaybate news service (jns):

Dateline: in MU's dreams

Slug: MU primed to join SEC, but SEC says MU who?

jns stringers canoeing the Tennessee Tombigbee canal and boondoggle, report that leaders of the SEC hunting gators with human body parts from muddy buddy powered jon boats indicate being entirely unaware of MU's existence as an institution of higher learning.

"MU? Don't you mean University of Mississippi?" a reputed SEC administrator wearing a white, full length night shirt reputedly said. "Well, hale, son, they been in the SEC since the Wah Between the States."

When jns stringers informed the SEC official that MU stood for University of Missourah, the SEC official said he had not heard of them since that "disloyal Missouri Compromise."

(Note: all fiction. No malice.)

KGphoto 10 years, 3 months ago

Don't forget this is all temporary. 16-team power conferences will eventually rule (for awhile). The Big 12 may stay together but will have morphed into a mid-major. KU will end up with the AAU conference, renew it's corn rivalry, and begin new ones.

Don't think for a minute that these conferences won't exist. It's a certainty. It's just a matter of time, and when the time comes, who in the world will be available for the B1G? Kansas. By then TG will have the program atop their division and conferences will be begging for us. In fact, without MU and Pitt available, KU may be the first team they pursue.

It's gonna be good in the B1G. I like their style.

Sam Constance 10 years, 3 months ago

"Don't think for a minute that these conferences won't exist. It's a certainty."

No. It's a group-think pipe dream.

No one can seem to articulate exactly what the benefit of 16-team "power conferences" is, outside of some tortured logic about circumventing the NCAA and BCS, which doesn't even make sense when you really think about it.

If you can provide a rationale behind the superconferences that actually makes sense (and no "it's inevitable" doesn't count), then I'm all ears.

Woody Cragg 10 years, 3 months ago

The only reason for them to even consider staying is to keep a tournament in the KC metro. I don't give a squat about KC but they need the money. The place is going to complete $hit. Crime keeps moving further & further out & their schools suck. Last I heard missery pub schools were like 48th lowest ranked in the nation. Other two below them already have schools in the SEC. Get the eff out. If I didn't have misled friends & family there, I wouldn't care if the whole damn state burned to the friggin ground. They like all the attention yet aren't smart enough to know most of it's negative. Nick Saban said today "who cares about missery?" I know I sure as hell don't. Muck fizzou...all the way down the road to where ever they end up. Sooner the better.

Yosemite 10 years, 3 months ago

I think there may be 4 super conferences ( Pac-12, SEC, B1G, and ACC) that will have a play-off system one day, but there's no guarantee that they will all have 16 teams apiece. KU is certainly not a lock in any of them. Mizzou will be smart to go to the SEC when it can.

blindrabbit 10 years, 3 months ago

Amazing, the love affair with West Virginia Univ. continues; people here must be lusting for Bob Huggins. Fools me, I've been on campus at Morgantown and witnessed it's fandom. Wonder if some of the supporters of this possibility have either seen Deliverance too often or not at all. Get your banjos tuned!

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 3 months ago

Wait for the Mizzou to "conditional withdrawal". Vote on on whether teams that have "conditional withdrawn" are allowed to vote in Conference Voting. Then take a vote on locking in Tier 1 and 2 Money for the next 6 years. The Vote will be 8-0 with TCU not voting because they are not full members yet and Mizzou not voting because teams that are "conditional withdrawn" from the conference are not allowed to vote but are still mandated to be governed by the rules of the conference. Once the money is locked up, ask Mizzou if they would like to reconsider their "conditional withdrawal".

Lance Hobson 10 years, 3 months ago

They were bastards in the Civil War when they were all about slavery and they haven't changed a bit. Let them go off into oblivion.

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