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Monday, October 17, 2011

Keegan

KU football has chance at upset against K-State

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For the third week in a row, the young Kansas University football team faces an undefeated school ranked in the top 12 in the nation.

But this one feels different. Unlike when Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were the opponents, the curiosity isn’t aimed at attempting to guess by how many touchdowns KU will lose.

This time, the curiosity-seekers wonder, even if they don’t dare say it aloud, if Kansas can pull off an upset and bring the shocking Wildcats down off the high they’ve ridden all season.

K-State’s formula for success — playing rugged defense, keeping it close, not doing anything to beat itself and producing big plays just in the nick of time — doesn’t tend to result in the sort of blowouts on which KU too often finds itself on the wrong end. The Wildcats are 6-0 and ranked 12th in the country, but other than a 37-0 blowout victory against Kent State, Kansas State has not had a margin of victory larger than seven points.

K-State doesn’t have a Brandon Weeden or a Landry Jones at quarterback. Chris Harper’s a nice receiver, but he doesn’t rank with the Cowboys’ Justin Blackmon or the Sooners’ Ryan Broyles. Kansas State’s offensive line has been solid, but not equipped with the same quickness and strength as the lines from the Oklahoma schools.

The opening betting line that favored Kansas State by 15 points for Saturday’s 11 a.m. kickoff in Memorial Stadium seemed a little heavy.

Wildcats junior Collin Klein, a speedy 6-foot-5, 226-pound run-first quarterback, has a knack for making a clutch pass or two every game, but he hasn’t thrown for more than 146 yards in a single game.

How is this team that squeaked by Eastern Kentucky, 10-7, in the season-opener undefeated and ranked 12th in the nation? Sometimes not doing anything to lose is good enough to keep winning.

In the wake of Saturday’s 41-34, come-from-behind victory at Texas Tech, Klein mouthed a quote that had such a familiar ring to it.

“Our coach says all the time you’ve just got to keep sawing wood and eventually you’re going to get somewhere,” Klein said.

Hmm, “keep sawing wood,” where have I heard that one before? Anybody?

Two weeks in a row, Kansas has given up 600 yards, but in the second one grew tougher the closer Oklahoma drew to the goal line. Simplifying things worked for an inexperienced Kansas defense that in previous weeks looked as if it had been trying to avoid mistakes instead of looking to fly to the ball.

Now that Bill Snyder and his coaching staff have a week’s worth of video to digest from that new approach, maybe it will be easier to pick apart, but it’s worth taking that risk. The less the KU defenders have to think about, the better chance they have of performing aggressively.

Nobody should be stunned if Kansas takes a lead into halftime Saturday. Coming out of the break is when the advantage swings to a well-conditioned K-State team, which handled Texas Tech, 21-6, in the second half.

Kansas, not noted for half-time adjustments and gaining a second wind, has been dumped on, 59-7, in the past four third quarters.

Comments

ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years, 10 months ago

I got KSU-12 at leroys and bet my life on the cats. No way is this game under a 3 touchdown spread.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

You bet your life on the cats, so when KU wins...

KGphoto 8 years, 10 months ago

Wait a minute! Didn't you bet your life against the spread before the Oklahoma game? Now pay up!

ahpersecoachingexperience 8 years, 10 months ago

Nah, that was OSU. I didn't play last weeks game. But double up this week!

KU4FAN91 8 years, 10 months ago

No doubt in KU going to Manhattan and DOMINATING the Wildcats.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

And the Big 12 still screwed up the scheduling because KU is hosting KSU twice in a row and going up to Ames twice in a row.

Eric Williams 8 years, 10 months ago

they had to adjust the scheduling.

What if KSU was scheduled to play CU and NU at home? Do they just lose 2 home games and have to play the rest on the road as normal? that's not fair, which is why the Big 12 rescheduled.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

We can play the "what if" game on this or the Big 12 could've not screwed this up like they did. None of the north teams played both CU and Nebraska at home or on the road last year and none of the south teams played both CU and Nebraska in non-divisional games either which means the north teams are playing 3 different conference opponents from last year and the south teams are playing 4 teams they did not play last year. Those 3 or 4 games is where the balancing out of the home and away games needed to occur and the Big 12 dropped the ball on that like usual.

Don Everett 8 years, 10 months ago

2 stupid posters at the same time right off the bat.

ahper is always an idiot

ku4fan91 - the game is in Lawrence genius, but I do hope they dominate the kitties.

Believe KU!!!!!!!!!

Cmill1221 8 years, 10 months ago

How can you call a guy stupid for making statements that are generally true. The stupid ones are the people who post on here that we will go 8-4 or say we will beat ksu 35-21 and follow it up with "BELIEVE!!". Does being realistic make you stupid wile overly optimistic makes you a "true fan"?

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

The game isn't in Manhattan, by the way.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Although, if K-State fans think its in Manhattan, go to Bill Snyder Family Stadium, and we can make a really good "Snickers" commercial, and I'm not talking about a candy bar.

GoHawks1 8 years, 10 months ago

It will probably feel like Manhattan. I have a feeling there will be lots of purple.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Idea. Why doesn't Kansas do a "Crimson Out" this Saturday? Have everyone wear Crimson t-shirts, and wear the Crimson Jerseys on White Pants with the blue numbers that match the helmets? Afterall, it is the Crimson and Blue. And put their names on the jerseys in Gold letters? Might be onto something there. A new look with a new attitude(if they persist)?

willie_fu_fu 8 years, 10 months ago

So we can look like OU or Alabama. I doubt alot of people are going to go out and buy red shirts for this. It isn't our most recognizable color either.

Scott Oswalt 8 years, 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure the majority of KU fans have a crimson shirt.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

No. so the blue and purple don't look too much like the same thing on TV. Crimson and Purple contrast more with each other. Not that I should have to explain that, but they are further away from each other on the the color wheel.

KU's colors are Crimson and Blue. Now, if we're playing Texas then Blue would be better, but playing against K-State, Crimson would be better.

Hammertoe, you're probably right that there will be Purple than Crimson, but not more Purple than Blue.

Hammertoe 8 years, 10 months ago

There will be more purple than crismon in the crowd..

squawkhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

LOL! I'm pretty confident that the KU fans at the game next week will not be enough to support a "Crimson Out". Maybe more like a section 23 and 24 "Crimson Out".

Jayhawk1116 8 years, 9 months ago

I like the idea. I wish they would bring back the red jerseys too. Those were sweet.

johnnyhrdwd 8 years, 10 months ago

Red jerseys and the white helmets from last year, spray paint our shoes silver.

mojayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

How about some names on the jerseys? We're about the only ones that stay anonymous.

mojayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Good idea. Gee, now I'm talking to myself.

jaymar74 8 years, 10 months ago

except for Penn State, Michigan, Alabama and several other nobody schools.

boknowssports 8 years, 10 months ago

I'm think brown bags over our heads with two holes cut out to watch the game...naw...forget the holes...

Hammertoe 8 years, 10 months ago

"so you are saying we have a chance"...

meburr 8 years, 10 months ago

Ok, this is the best laugh to start a Monday with. Its good to have hope Keegan, but what have you been smoking??? Just like another KU fan to be talking trash this whole week. That's ok, as next Sunday your headlines will bash the team you say you support this week. Unlike our Wildcat fan base, where we support our team in good times and bad. KU fans turn on themselves at the moment there is a weakness. You will have a nice Purple Fog in Memorial stadium next week supporting ours. Your fans will leave the game early leaving.....watch and see

rockchalk_dpu 8 years, 10 months ago

You must not have been a Wildcat fan for very long because I know that pre-Snyder, the school couldn't give away tickets, and the fan base got dangerously close to going back there during the dark years of Ron Prince. As with most fan bases, when times are good, everyone comes out (ours included) and when times are bad, people find something better to do with their Saturdays and your "Decade of Dominance" wasn't any different in drawing out "die hard fans". While I don't normally agree with Keegan (and this pains me to type), his points aren't all that far-fetched because your team doesn't have the explosive offense we have faced in recent weeks. You aren't set up to run away from teams on the scoreboard, but rather do enough to win and rely on playing mistake-free football with a solid defense. Our offense has not been the weak link in the team recently scoring fairly well, which means we have the ability to stay with you and could even lead. For these reasons it should be a closer game than expected, and when you factor in that this is a rivalry game, we should expect the unexpected as both teams will be geeked up and excited to play. Now kindly go back to patrolling your own pages and root for that creepy headcover of a mascot you have.

RCJGKU

Scott Oswalt 8 years, 10 months ago

Why are K-State fans sooooooo annoying? All you are is the red headed step-child. Grow up Peter Pan.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Keegan is right about this. Kansas is faster than Kansas State is. Kansas is bigger than Kansas State is. This is a good matchup for Kansas to exploit, if the coaches do their jobs. Kansas can actually beat Kansas State by 30 or Saturday, if our defense plays with a heart and runs to the ball with their full ability, because K-State is not fast.

squawkhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Miami and Mizzou are bigger and faster than K-State too. You know how those games turned out, right?

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Yes I know how those games turned out, and we have video of those games. Our coaching staff has a chance to PREPARE for it.

boknowssports 8 years, 10 months ago

"if the coaches do their jobs"....this is where your theory fails...

Dyrk Dugan 8 years, 10 months ago

from calling for the firing of the coach....to now say upset is in the air against one of our top rivals and a top 15 team....TK again, does KU no favors.

i would rather him write about how this game will be the same 'ol, same 'ol....KU plays them tough for awhile, and then KSU takes over in the 4th quarter.

and that's where you have to look at it, in reality. Yes, i believe the Jayhawks have plenty of good football players to compete with this team....but the grapes have been great in the 2nd half...and we have been just awful.

that 2nd half vs. OU...and at key times in the 1st half, we went really conservative. do our coaches not trust Jordan Webb? they sing his praises...they brag about his stats......but they don't drop him back on a 3rd and 6?

at this point and time, it would seem to me this staff has nothing to lose...and our team doesn't either. I would love to be able to run the football right them all day....but i don't think that will happen. we have to stretch them out some...which we haven't done to any FBS school all year.

so the playbook needs dusted off and read...and maybe we'll start using most of the plays from it.

this is a big football game for Kansas. It is for KSU too, but it should be bigger for us. the kitties are going bowling...and they have a chance for a top tier or close to game....but in the grand scheme of things, this game should mean more to our kids. it's time to set a baseline...it's time to show what this program could do.

Bion Ostrander 8 years, 10 months ago

Please don't give TG any ideas, he already spends 2 days a week game-planning uniform colors....If TG could game plan or do anything other than run on 1st and 2nd down, and leave Webb in obvious 3rd and long passing downs - - KU might be able to compete w K-State. But that fiasco against OU, KU gets the ball on a fumble at OU 25 and runs it 3 straight times for 4 yards, and then kicks a FG - - who out there in blog land could not make that call for $2 million a year!! The play calling is not bad, its HORRIFIC. I think KU should allow a guest offensive play caller each week, win the KU trivia contest and call the plays...it could not be any worse. I feel bad for the kids, they play hard and get absolutely no help from the coaching staff.

actorman 8 years, 10 months ago

People keep blaming TG for the play-calling. It probably is his fault overall, but as for the specific plays being called, isn't that generally the OC's job? So for that specific drive you're talking about, blame Chuck Long. Either way, I agree with you that the calls are frustratingly conservative. On the other hand, I'm not particularly convinced that Webb would do so great with less conservative choices. Maybe they just don't trust enough in their QB.

Jeff Hargate 8 years, 10 months ago

After the game one of our O-lineman was talking about how we had to dumb down the play calling after Hatch got hurt. I don't know if that was the case, but it sure looked like it.

741hawk 8 years, 10 months ago

That's just plain poor preparation. . . . poor coaching. Can't imagine that need under any decent coach.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

What exactly has Webb done to make to make the coaches trust him enough to open up the playbook for him? His consistent downfield passes into double coverage, his bouncing of screen passes at the receivers feet, his throwing behind the receiver on crossing and slant routes, his overthrows on curl routes. Webb has to show the coaches that he can make good decisions and consistently accurate passes before they will open up the playbook for him to take more chances.

Bryan Anderson 8 years, 10 months ago

KU seems incapable of making any 2nd half adjustments. Bill Snyder has KSU undefeated mostly on his tactical skills. If KU is true to form, it'll be close the first half, and Turner Gill will get out-coached the second half.

Steve Gantz 8 years, 10 months ago

And the Chiefs have a chance to win the super bowl.

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 8 years, 10 months ago

KU definitely sucks this year, but I've been thinking the same thing. K-State's good, but not 12th in the nation good. We'll probably lose, but I could see an upset happening.

yates33333 8 years, 10 months ago

No offense, but where did you see it? I want to look.

Jeremiah Jefferson 8 years, 10 months ago

KU is quite possibly the worst football team in the history of the game. I have never seen a team get blown game after game like they have this year. They have a chance alright, but its not a chance that they will win lmfao..

gorilla10 8 years, 10 months ago

worst team in the history of the game....KU is 2-4. I remember when kstate went two full season without winning 1 game.....ouch

actorman 8 years, 10 months ago

"I have never seen a team get blown game after game like they have this year."

Well that might explain some things. After all, they're clearly distracted ...

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Worst team ever, you're either very young or just totally oblivious to the history of college football? I would like to direct you to Northwestern during the early 80's and an FBS record 34 straight losses from 1979 until 1982. I would also like to direct you to Prairie View A&M during the 90's and an 80 game losing streak they had. I would also like to direct you to KU from 1986 until 1990 when KU won a total of 12 games during those 5 years.

Here's some other goals to shoot for if KU is going to be the worst team ever that you think they are.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/colfootball/teams/worst.html

Eric Williams 8 years, 10 months ago

Dare I say it?

Buffalo had 5 wins in 4 years prior to Gill.

yates33333 8 years, 10 months ago

Keegan. You're like that song's line, "you only build me up to let me down." Can you make pigs fly and water run up hill? You have the permission of all Jayhawks to throw a hex on K-State. Better make it a big one. The old man has them rolling again. Can't you get him to really retire?

danmoore 8 years, 10 months ago

KSU circles this game on their calendar every year.

NebraskaJayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

The thing is, KSU has always won games under Snyder they same way he's doing it this season. He is a fundamentals coach and his gameplan is always sound. Face it, his players are always well coached even if he doesn't have the best talent on the field. Do we have a chance to win? Of course.... But they better come with as much or more intensity they had during those goal line stands against OU. Maybe if they play like that the entire game....if not, it's going to be another KSU trouncing.

Also, I would comment on the absence of Boomer Sooner on our message boards. I mean for all the hot air the guy blew last week...and then nothing? What a dork. Where were the 135 points he promised and the OU crowd filling Memorial Stadium. What happened man? Stoops on the hot seat now for not laying it on us? Where are you, Boomer Sooner. Come talk with us weirdo.

Mike Nicco 8 years, 10 months ago

Can we please stop talking about how improved our offense is! No doubt we have more talent but they still can not score against a first team defense. That falls on our Offensive Coordinator. We had two chances to take this game. Both times the OC called a running play on 3rd & 5 and 3 & 6. How can you put this defense in that position time after time against OU's offense!?!? The fact Hatch was out was all the more reason to throw the ball. Those plays show the oceans of difference between the philosophy of Gill's & Mangino's staff. Mangino's & Snyder's staff know how to coach "lesser" talented teams. So far, this staff seems to think they are coaching Oklahoma & Nebraska talent.

actorman 8 years, 10 months ago

I understand your points, but perhaps it's exactly the opposite. Perhaps if they had OU or NU-type talent, they would be more comfortable calling a less-conservative game. But maybe they're afraid to try anything different because they're afraid it will cause more turnovers and they'll move the ball less than they have been. After all, until the second half against OU, the offensive stats weren't too horrible.

Mike Nicco 8 years, 10 months ago

IMO it's not working and sets the wrong tone. When has an underdog ever pulled an upset by playing conservative? You can play aggressively without being desperate.

Granted it was early but what may have happened if we score a touchdown to go ahead 14-10.

Jordon Webb was playing well enough until being put in a desperate situation during the second half.

It was a shame to waste the effort by our defense. I hope they play that hard this week.

actorman 8 years, 10 months ago

Touche. I was at least partly playing devil's advocate, but I'm not sure why I did that because you're right. It always used to frustrate the hell out of me when KU would be a 30- or 40-point underdog and go in and try to match up with a team by pounding the ball up the middle. I always thought that if I were a coach in that situation, I would be trying every trick in the book to even out the playing field (so to speak).

Mike Nicco 8 years, 10 months ago

I enjoyed talking with you actorman. Thanks for responding.

The one thing I did notice about Webb is once he's rattled, game over. He was throwing a lot off his back foot in the 2nd half. He sailed one pass over an open receiver's head near the KU bench which killed a drive. He stopped another drive when he threw a one-hopper to another receiver (I believe it was a running back in the flat) near the KU bench off his back foot while he was scrambling, but there wasn't a defender within 5 yards of him. He stops, plants his feet, first down.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

I agree with that. The OC should have called a middle screen or even a shovel pass. Safe plays that gets any of the running backs in one on one situations. This group of running backs at Kansas is the best we've ever had, and the coaches aren't setting them up for success.

Lance Cheney 8 years, 9 months ago

Speaking of that, I kind of miss Mangino's shovel pass every 3rd or 4th play. I don't miss his halfback draw out of the shotgun on EVERY 1st and 10.

ramsey76 8 years, 10 months ago

Wasn't Mangino's staff the one they continued to run Operum on sweeps and then bring Jake Sharp in for goal line situations?

I liked Mangino and I hated to see the whole thing fall apart but Mangino's best game plan was always "snap ball to Reesing and watch". Other than the Reesing years the Jayhawks really struggled on offense.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Mangino's offensive strategy with Opurum and Sharp was to give them their 10 carries as quickly as possible and let Reesing pass it the rest of the way. I'll go one step further than other than the Reesing years and say other than 2007, the offense struggled under Mangino. 2008 and 2009 were some of the best passing offenses KU has ever had, but they didn't have the running game to balance out the passing attack. The 2005 and 2006 offenses had very good running games, but didn't have the passing game to keep defenses from loading up against the run.

ramsey76 8 years, 10 months ago

I feel the same way but I keep telling myself it must be my heart and not my head talking. Everytime I watch KSU I keep thinking how does Bill Snyder do it? The players just don't look that great. Cudos to coach Snyder for managing a 6-0 team with this group of players. Especially with that QB and his arm.

NOTcrusher 8 years, 10 months ago

Chris Harris said "gotta keep sawing wood" last year.

Do I win a prize?

How about two tickets?

Steve Brown 8 years, 10 months ago

KU 31 State 17. book it.

two fumbles, one interception and a punt run back all the way. wave the wheat.

2005grad 8 years, 10 months ago

Wow... Have you even WATCHED K-State play? The have had 2 turnovers in the past 5 games... None in their past 2. They play with little to no mistakes, and their special teams was on fire last Saturday.

Steve Brown 8 years, 10 months ago

Yes, I do, they get no penalties and no turnovers which is why they are saving them up for our game. That is the double intendo of my post, uncharacteristic of State for my score to be right, something baaadd has to happen in Oz.

bradynsdad 8 years, 10 months ago

Ku 35 Ksu 31. I don't like making predictions but I am putting this in stone. Our offense will not be happy after that second half showing against OU and our defense even though we lost is loaded with confidence right now.

danmoore 8 years, 10 months ago

Lots of ifs. If our defense can play with the same intensity we saw Saturday. If the kicking team doesn't give them a short field. If we don't turn the ball over and if our offense can generate more yardage. Offense typically plays well in the first half but teams figure them out and make adjustments.

Mike Kendall 8 years, 10 months ago

PLEASE!!!!!!! Whatever you do, do not lose this game. RCJHGKU!

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

KU is far more talented than K-State, player wise. That isn't even a close comparison.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Which is why I'm extremely disappointed in TG and his staff. This team should have beat Texas Tech, with the right coaching. With the right coaching, they will beat Kansas State on Saturday and Iowa State later, and Missouri later, and maybe even Texas later.

OU beat Texas by more than they beat us.

NebraskaJayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

By your theory we have no way of beating K-State then because TT beat us soundly and K-State man-handled TT in their own house. Guess we'll give the W to KSU right now.

Jeff Johnson 8 years, 9 months ago

Utterly stupid assessment. KSU is by far and away more talented across the board on defense. How can this even be considered when KU's defense is ranked dead last in the country?!!!

Sorry, name one linebacker more talented than A. Brown or T. Walker. You don't. KSU's DB's don't get torched like KU's do...can't be more talented then. Even KSU's D-line has now surpassed KU's. The only position where KU has even a remote argument would be at QB. RB's are about the same and WR's...well, that's an avalanche in favor of KSU once again. Delusional still describes portions of the KU football fan base to a 'T' still. Good luck in that bowl game this year....Not even two full weeks in to October and KSU is already a lock.

squawkhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I think Snyder could out coach Gill if he was in the hospital in a coma.

packywacky88 8 years, 10 months ago

I would agree, but first tell me which one is in the coma?

danmoore 8 years, 10 months ago

I wish they would throw to Biere more. We were looking at 3rd and manageable yardage in the 2nd half but never threw to our tight end.

ramsey76 8 years, 10 months ago

The problem I saw was when they did try to throw to him Webb bounced the ball in the turf. I believe Webb will be good but this was a rough game as far as accuracy. He missed too many open receivers that would have sustained drives and kept our defense off the field. Webb was definitely not comfortable in the pocket and I think the coaches didn't have much of a choice but to run on a few of those 3rd and 5 situations. As sad as it is to say I believe it gave our offense the best chance of getting a first down.

scraptown 8 years, 10 months ago

There was a Keegan article just like this one before the ksu game last year.

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 10 months ago

KSU isn't winning games with its offense, so maybe this is the type of matchup we need. Still, Snyder is really unbelievable. If you go by stars, they don't have much on the field, but he obviously knows what kind of players he can win with.

Robert Brown 8 years, 10 months ago

As I see it, the only two remaining games we have a chance to win are Iowa State and K-State only because both schools have pedestrian offenses. I do think we were too quick to praise KU's offense, but they are clearly better than last year. In the four loses, we were competitive in three for the first half. I don't know if that is play calling, the other team's adjustments, or a realization by the offense that they have to play perfectly to in order to stay in the game and they are overcome by pressure.

In all likelihood, K-State wins by a score of 31-17 scoring TDs on four eight minutes drives in each quarter.

Benjamin Piehler 8 years, 10 months ago

Despite the fans here, KSU is a classy program. They'll probably get the win.

Bville Hawk 8 years, 10 months ago

"KSU is a classy program." interesting statement. I'm 58 years old and have lived around K-Staters all my life and even THEY don't make that assertion. I'm not sure I've ever seen "KSU" and "classy" in the same sentence without a negative stuck somewhere in the mix.

Sorry, the more I think about it the more I disagree. I would concede that Bill Snyder is a class act and a gentleman. Beyond him, though, you're just plain mistaken (is your wife a KSU grad? Did she make you write that?).

Steve Brown 8 years, 10 months ago

Call me old school, yet when we beat State in our house, it is not an upset, it is expected, whether it is Lynn Dickey, Darren Sproles, or the Three MUsketeers, bring who they bring, expect a victory.

haydenhawkco 8 years, 10 months ago

Anyone know of a KU bar or good place to watch the game in Austin, TX?

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

Check the KU Alumni Association website for the list of watch sites around Austin

Bear86 8 years, 10 months ago

This game is an opportunity for HCTG and the Hawks. Show the Jayhawk nation your worth the fat salary ($2M a year) their paying you. Beat K-State and give the Jayhawk nation some hope for the future. It starts Saturday TG! Are you listening? Rock Chalk!

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

This offense reminds me a lot of the 2005 and 2006 KU offenses, solid OLine, solid running attack, and a bad passing game to make for an average offense. The biggest difference between those two teams and this year obviously is the defense. Those two teams even with the very good defenses were only about .500 teams so is it really a stretch to say that even with an average defense, that this team even reaches a bowl game this year? The only game that a good to average defense changes the outcome of so far this year is the Texas Tech game. OU was the best defense KU will face all year and I'm not sure why anybody was surprised by what an elite defense did to an average offense Saturday.

KSU is a very fundamentally sound team and Jordan Webb is going to have to play the best game of his career for KU to have a chance to pull the upset. Their defense really hasn't been that good this year as they have given up an average 27.5 points and 436.5 yards over their last 4 games so it's not like their defense has been dominant this year like OU's defense has been. Their offense has only average 336 yards per game this year so they have been very efficient with their offense. KU can win if Jordan Webb plays mistake free football and makes the KU offense two dimensional and the defense plays with the same intensity that they brought against OU.

The crowd as well needs to realize the impact they can have on a football game and what they can do for the defense's energy level. We've all seen how dead the defense seems coming out for the second half of games and I firmly believe the defense would be much more energetic if the crowd was more energetic There's a reason why places like Virginia Tech and Oregon are some of the most intimidating places to visit regardless of how good the team is and stadium size isn't a big factor as those are both small stadiums compared to SEC and Big 10 stadiums. It's because of the noise made by the fans and when the stadium is half empty after halftime no matter the score or opponent and not making any noise, it's embarrassing to watch every time a game is broadcast from Memorial Stadium because we all know what kind of environment KU fans are capable of producing watching even a November non-conference game at AFH.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

The coaching staff is probably reading this. BEAT K-STATE Saturday. Coach Gill, You have better players than K-State has. Lets see your coaching abilities this week! If you lose by 50, QUIT.

Micky Baker 8 years, 10 months ago

Mangino had what when we beat K-State in 2004? Thats right, Undertalented Defensive players playing as one of the best defensive units in the country. Turner Gill, watch the 2004 K-State at KU game. KU shut down Sproles that game. K-State has nothing even close to Sproles this year. KU, on paper, should beat K-State by 40 on Saturday, but I'll be okay if you improve and just win it by 3.

texashawk10 8 years, 10 months ago

You do remember that in 2004, KSU finished the season 4-7 (2-6) which was the same record as KU that season and Sproles finished that season with significantly reduced numbers from the previous year and I'm not talking about total numbers because KSU played 4 more games in 2003 than in 2004. That 2004 KSU team was one of the 3 or 4 worst teams that Snyder fielded while at KSU and record wise was the second worst team of the Bill Snyder era.

OKHawkFan 8 years, 10 months ago

IMO KU can win this game if we don't turn over the football and even then it won't be by more than 7 pts. KU would've won the Texas Tech game if it wasn't for turnovers. But then again I can see our defense not playing very well and KSU beating us by 20 or so. I hope that's not the case and the Hawks just need to take care of the football on offense and create a turnover or two on defense. RCJHKU!!!

Hammertoe 8 years, 10 months ago

K-State's game with OU was announced as the ESPN national tv game. If both teams are undefeated, expect the Game Day Crew in Manhattan. K-State is Bowl Eligible now and with Iowa State still on the schedule, a chance for a decent bowl game. K-State was picked 8th in the Big 12 preseason polls. Coach Synder has a chance at not only the Big 12 Coach of the Year but the National Coach of the Year. K-State has much to play for and Synder will have them ready. KU's defensive is ranked last in DI football. I can't see this game being close.

741hawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I'd make a bet that KSU will beat us by more points than OU did. Remember folks, that was a "walk-through" for OU. QB was awful. Receivers dropped passes. KU scored and set up a score with two broken plays.

KSU has every reason to want to win and win big!

741hawk 8 years, 10 months ago

I'd make a bet that KSU will beat us by more points than OU did. Remember folks, that was a "walk-through" for OU. QB was awful. Receivers dropped passes. KU scored and set up a score with two broken plays.

KSU has every reason to want to win and win big!

olathefbfan 8 years, 10 months ago

First off, while in the end it was what it was, I felt better about the team this past weekend, particularly the first half. At least they evidenced some passion. Last year there were games where it seemed like the absolutely last place most of the players wanted to be was on the field or the sidelines. That said...

I've been reading some of the comments here that the Hawks are a much faster team than KSU, much more talented, and so on. That the only difference is the coaching. Well, Snyder's a legend and he's earned it. But I've watched most of the games for both teams this season, either in person or on TV, and IMO KU isn't measurably more talented than KSU, and may in fact have less talent in some key positions. And anyone who says KU is faster simply hasn't watched both teams play.

Both teams will very keyed up for this game. Should be fun. Maybe.

hammerhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Keegan, you been smoking that yakky tabakky stuff again?!? Gill's team couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack. I sure am glad it's BB season at Kansas!!

Andrew Washington 8 years, 10 months ago

What year did KU interview Bill Snyder and who did we end up picking over him? Bill was the offensive coordinator at Iowa before k-state right? Sorry, i should probably know this stuff-but could someone please enlighten me

smartjayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Gill: Give Bourbon at least 18 carries vs. KState and an upset is guaranteed.

smartjayhawk 8 years, 10 months ago

Put Bourbon in from time to time as FS or SS if you are not going to use him on offense. I don't think Gill realizes what kind of talent Bourbon has. Gill must not like fast, strong white boys.

Pitthawk34 8 years, 9 months ago

Some Kansas State players already talking smack. "Memorial stadium is our house over the years" and "Kansas Who" I bet Snyder is ticked but at least it is out there. I sure hope our players are aware of what is being said by these over confident kansas state players. They think this will be a cake walk. Nothing will be better than a little cake in the face.

smartjayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

Kansas has a good chance of winning. It is in the coaches' hands.

Kevin Long 8 years, 9 months ago

Like it or not Synder has dominated KU! They can talk as much smack as they want when you completly dominate a series. We had a coach that beat them, but he got ran out of PCU for being a tough coach!

sevenyearhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

K-State has won in Lubbock and Miami, Fla. ... Kansas doesn't have a chance.

Jeff Johnson 8 years, 9 months ago

I love how some are pimping KU's "efforts" vs. OU. OU took that game off and it was painfully obvious from the get go. Lost track how many flat out drops OU's WR's had not to mention Landry missing wide open WR's in the endzone. SIX whopping yards by KU in the second half. Nah, that game was nowhere near as close as even 47-17 would suggest, especially with a fluke TD play early in the first half that never occurs again in such a situation.

smartjayhawk 8 years, 9 months ago

A coach cannot be expected to turn around a team in two seasons, but if KU does not start seeing moderate improvement by the middle of next year, Gill needs to be escorted off the campus.

Bion Ostrander 8 years, 9 months ago

A number of folks want to give Gill forever to establish a program at KU. In Snyder's 2nd year after replacing Prince, he had already turned the program around and took the team to the Pinstripe Bowl (ok,not the greatest bowl in the world), and Prince did not leave him much. That type of turnaround has obviously not happened at KU, and won't. But comparing Gill to Snyder is not fair either!

In Prince's last year in 2008, KSU was 5-7 overall and 2-6 in the Big 12. In Snyder's 1st year, 2009, KSU was 6-6 overall and 4-4 in the Big 12 (2nd place in the North), oh, and Josh Freeman had been drafted after his 2008 season so Snyder was starting with a new QB in his first year back (not that Freeman was that great of a Big 12 QB).

In Snyder's 2nd year (2010), Snyder was 7-6 overall and 3-5 in the Big 12, but also played in the Pinstripe Bowl.

KU might win 1 game in the Big 12 this year, at most, and maybe 0. Those 3 or 4 Big 12 wins by Snyder in his first two years back would look pretty darn good for KU right now. Sorry, I'm not seeing any progress in wins or in how the program is moving the right direction under Gill.

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