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Thursday, October 6, 2011

KU officials celebrate big day for Big 12

AD Zenger: TCU an obvious fit

Sheahon Zenger was introduced to the publica Monday, Jan. 3, 2011, as KU's next director of athletics. He took questions and discussed his philosophy during a press conference at Hadl Auditorium.

Sheahon Zenger was introduced to the publica Monday, Jan. 3, 2011, as KU's next director of athletics. He took questions and discussed his philosophy during a press conference at Hadl Auditorium.

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Intentionally quiet throughout most of the conference realignment chaos that had plagued the Big 12 conference during the past six weeks, Kansas University athletic director Sheahon Zenger was happy to speak up following the positive news that came from the league office on Thursday.

“This is a good day for the Big 12 Conference,” Zenger said. “The news of granting of rights and equal revenue sharing and league expansion bears testament to the hard work of our board of directors and the stability sub-committee within the Big 12 Conference.”

The first happy moment for the league came late Thursday morning, when the Big 12 confirmed its pursuit of Texas Christian University to be the 10th member. With Missouri in limbo, there remains some uncertainty whether TCU would be the 10th or ninth member of the league. Also unclear is where the league goes from here, with or without Missouri in tow.

“We all believe that Texas Christian University is a great addition to the Big 12,” Zenger said. “Their geographic proximity to the rest of the schools, their academic credibility and their athletic achievements make them an obvious fit.”

Zenger said the addition of TCU provided KU with extra reason to celebrate.

“The University of Kansas has a strong alumni base in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and continues to attract students from that area, as well,” he said. “For us as an institution, that’s an additional benefit of this news.”

A couple of hours after expansion news broke, the Big 12 also announced that it had unanimously agreed to a formal grant of television rights for a minimum of six years.

Both votes were unanimously approved and Missouri sat out each time.

KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little, who served on the league’s four-member stability committee, released a statement Thursday afternoon. In it, she, too, pointed to Thursday being a great day for the Big 12 and the Jayhawks.

“This is an outcome KU has sought throughout this process,” Gray-Little said. “And it is one that I’ve been seeking as a member of the conference’s stability working group. Stability heightens the appeal of the conference as we look at expansion.”

Sources told the Journal-World that the Big 12 continues to look at all of its options, including staying at 10 or jumping back to 12 members. One source added: “All of the obvious schools are still in the picture, but, at this time, there is no next in line.”

Those “obvious schools” include BYU, as well as Big East members Cincinnati, Louisville and West Virginia, which, because of TCU’s likely departure, are left scrambling to solidify the future of their league. Although TCU was scheduled to join the Big East in 2012, the Horned Frogs will not have to wait the 27 months required by the Big East for a team that leaves. Sources said, however, that TCU will be required to pay Big East exit fees, which some have estimated to be around $5 million.

Gray-Little said she hoped TCU would begin competing in the Big 12 next season.

Should TCU’s exit from the Big East lead to its collapse, Notre Dame, which competes in the Big East in all sports but football, likely would seek a similar arrangement in another conference. A source with ties to the Big 12 said the conference, which has courted the Irish in the past, would be interested in exploring the idea of adding Notre Dame to the Big 12.

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Eric Dawson 2 years, 6 months ago

FYI especially for those interested in adding the Air Force Academy:

Sunday Denver Post Article http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19073868

According to AFA AD Hans Mueh, the AFA turned away interest from the Big 12 because it wouldn't be fair to the cadets and they couldn't recruit against Texas and OU in FB. AFA is also working with Navy to try to convince Army to join the BEast, but Army is concerned its cadets would get pounded by the BEast FB schools.

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lee3022 2 years, 6 months ago

After being down by four touchdowns the Big XII -4 has finally scored, albeit a field goal. The league has been rocked hard yet retains a top brand in basketball in KU and two top brands in football in UT and OU (disregarding today's game.) Only the SEC can match that. This league can rebuild and may be better off at 10 teams than 12.

I don't believe the super conferences will be very happy with the results of their union. The law of diminishing returns must apply somewhere in the 12-16 range. I am happy to keep the league at 10 (nine presents other problems) if the 10 are committed to each other.

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DCLawHawk 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't think you're leaving anyone out, and I like your thinking. If possible (a big if), Notre Dame is the best addition. You could even add Notre Dame in football, but have them play fewer league games (to preserve their traditional rivalries with Army/Navy/USC/Purdue/Michigan) and not be part of the conference schedule per se. It's worth getting creative to reel in Notre Dame.

BYU, Louisville, and Cincinnati strike me as the next best additions. Schools like Rice, Tulane, Boise St., and Memphis are just too small and too poor. I'd rather have Air Force (or try to poach Vanderbilt) than make offers to any of those. BYU, Louisville, and Cinci all add reasonably sized markets, reasonably good athletic programs (both in terms of current prowess and historical significance), and decent academics. Louisville and Cinci would join as natural rivals.

Proposed conference (assuming Mizzou leaves and Notre Dame does not join): North: BYU, Cinci, I St., KU, K St, Lville [could add Notre Dame] South: Baylor, OU, Ok St, TCU, TX, TX Tech [could add Mizzou]

Personally, I hope that Mizzou stays and the Big 12 adds schools that help keep the geographic center of the conference close to Kansas City. If MU leaves and/or the conference adds schools that move the conference footprint further south, Kansas City will lose the Big 12 basketball tournament. That's something that KU fans would live to regret.

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trey 2 years, 6 months ago

Couple thoughts...

For the Big12 to survive, have to kill the Big East (no way 6 conferences make it).

TCU good "first" add because it hurts Big East right away (they don't have to wait 27 months to play in Big12).

Big12 won't take W Vga unless and until MU goes to the SEC; would prefer that SEC take W Vga.

Next adds in order.... BYU, Louisville, W. Vga (if MU commits to SEC).

Big12 gets back to 12, with divisions...

South: Tx, TTech, Baylor, TCU, Louisville, W Vga North: OU, OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, BYU

If MU stays, they go to North with Louisville. OU and OSU go South. W Vga out

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Travis Clementsmith 2 years, 6 months ago

I don't know how credible it is, but their are rumors that the SEC is targeting not only Missouri, but WVU and Florida St as well to go to 16. Apparently there is some consternation from Alabama regarding the division split that would interrupt their rivalry with Tennessee. So, scenarios with WVU in them might not be available.

According to this rumor, the ACC will replace FSU with USF and then invite UConn and Rutgers. If this is true, you have to look at scenarios that involve both Missouri and WVU gone. That would leave (1 to get to 10, 3 to 12, 5 to 14, 7 to 16:

Notre Dame (unless they replace Rutgers in the ACC) Louisville Cincinnati BYU Tulane Air Force Boise St Memphis New Mexico UNLV

Leaving anyone out?

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Kyle Sybesma 2 years, 6 months ago

The Big East is falling apart and there is a HUGE opportunity to jump on Notre Dame and get football. The ACC and Big 12 are the only conferences that allow ND to bring their NBC contract. They need a place for their non football programs and the other conferences hold the leverage. Force Notre Dame to decide to bring all sports or none. I can't imagine them taking the non football programs to the A10 or Conference USA. Notre Dame is vulnerable, the Big 12 and ACC need to recognize that.

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jgkojak 2 years, 6 months ago

Thought:

Go to 14 by adding: BYU, Louisville and Cinci and WVU and Air Force (I'm leaving MU out of this scenerio- good riddance)

Then add Notre Dame and DePaul (Chicago) for non-football- getting you to 16 in bball and 14 in football - travel wise, ND would have easy travel to 6 schools (MU, ISU, DePaul, Lville and Cinci).

Not sure about divisions, probably need different divisions for fball and bball.

Basketball/other sports: EAST: KU, KSU, ISU, DePaul, ND, Louisville, Cinci, WVU WEST: Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, Baylor, TTU, TCU, BYU, Air Force

Football: EAST: same, add TCU (for balance)

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martyks 2 years, 6 months ago

Notre Dame has no interest in joining the Big 12 in football.... nun! However, basketball is another story. They never seemed to fit in the Big East. If they did come into the conference in basketball, it would help them to include a few non conference football games between themselves and the Big 12. Texas-ND is rich in tradition since the late 60s when ND first started playing bowl games. They want to tap into Texas in recruiting so that it makes sense for them to play the Texas and Oklahoma schools. I look forward to seeing a few Big 12 teams come out of the tunnel at ND and play in the house that Rock built. Playing ND in basketball every year would be interesting for all Big 12 teams. KU would enjoy hosting ND. You can't say that about MIZerys. I actually hope that rivalry goes down the toilet. It was mean spirited and ugly almost all of the time. Especially if they leave, who needs them? Go already. I would prefer seeing the rest of the Big 12 inviting them to leave, but making them pay us is a better idea.

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Vernon Riggs 2 years, 6 months ago

Mizzou ran into a road block: 'Bama, Tenessee and LSU. They don't want another West team. And usually what 'Bama and LSU wants in the SEC, they get. Look for SEC to grab Va Tech to grow to 14. The ACC will replace with UConn or Rutgers to stay at 14. Mizzou will stay in the Big12 and TCU makes 10. Big12 will add four from the following teams: Rutger or UConn (whichever is available), West Virginia, BYU, Boise State, Louisville, South Florida or Cincy. Shift your Super Conference paradigm. 14 is the new 16!

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Hank Cross 2 years, 6 months ago

If MU leaves, take LVille, Cincy, and WVa. This ends the BE. Then add ND, Marquette, DePaul and St. Louis as BB/olympic members. I like adding the Bilikins b/c they might be able to pinch a recruit or two off of MU, thus assuring Mizery of mediocrity in both FB and BB in their new home.

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southwindjay 2 years, 6 months ago

All I know is I am sick of hearing about MU. These guys are a joke and the sooner they are gone the better. One big question is though, why on earth would the sec even want them? I can't think of anything that would be attractive from the sec advantage to have MU join the league.

I like Boise but their success in football is almost entirely due to the coach. And really they bring nothing else to the table that I see. If the football coach leaves and the program falls you are really left with nothing.

I say scoop up the big east teams we can and maybe air force.

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BigMitchin_ 2 years, 6 months ago

Posted this on yesterdays main story but it was late in the evening... lets see what you guys think.

This is what the Big XII needs to think about.

Big XII takes TCU - happening now

Big XII aggressively goes after Louisville and West Virginia for 11th and 12th members

As that happens, Uconn and Rutgers will be really pushing to get into the ACC

Big East is gone... Big XII now has leverage and ability to go after Notre Dame. I say this because now what the Big XII can do is say OK, we have 12 football teams and we are satisfied with that. Why don't we go after Notre Dame and allow them to keep football independent but bring all other sports, then we can also add BYU and allow them to stay independent in football and bring all other sports.

All of the sudden we have the ability to give certain teams what they want and need in order to really align themselves with a conference as well as having a solid set of schools. There are 12 football schools and 14 schools in everything else.

Academics will improve with ND, BYU, football will stay strong, we look much more attractive in basketball, and it puts the Big XII on the map as the best conference to be in as well a powerhouse basketball conference.

On the other hand Missouri could leave... Then add Cincinatti as well. Yes it's a hit in academics, football, and a couple other areas. However, we gain a new market, another good basketball team, and another BigE team that will make the old BigE teams happy to still be together.

Just a thought that could be thrown around.

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FLJHK 2 years, 6 months ago

Even with the loss of Nebraska and A&M, the Big 12 remains the second best football conference in the country. Targeting a school (Boise St.) ONLY because they happen to have a good football team is beyond ridiculous. If good football equates to conference stability, we should be the second most stable conference, but clearly we are not.

As the Big 12 looks to rebrand itself, it shouldn't look through the narrow lens of football prowess. It should seek stable schools, academically solid schools,geographically comptible schools and ones that will be desirable conference members long-term. TCU was not the best first team to add, but it's not a totally bad one either.

BYU and AFA may be the best among those remaining, although there are no perfect fits. A good case can be made for Louisville. But Tulane and Rice are the true hidden diamonds. No they don't bring an immediate enhancement to the conference's athletic profile, but with the resources available to them in a major conference, that can change quickly. Long-term they would be outstanding additions that would elevate the overall stature of the conference immensely.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 6 months ago

Too bad potatoes don't watch football. If they did, Boise State would be a no brainer.

Per the 2009 census, there are 1.5 million people in the entire state of Idaho. Since there is nothing else going on besides Boise State, you can assume they pretty much have the whole state......but is it enough?

Their Smurt Turf, however, has me constantly adjusting the color tint on my screen!!

One condition for joining the Big 12 is get rid of that eyesore of a field!!!

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

"The Big 12's 27-3 mark (.900) in now-completed nonconference play is the best among all conferences since 1996, topping the SEC's mark of 30-4 in 1997.

Kansas' 239 rushing yards against Texas Tech last week were its most since the Jayhawks racked up 280 against Kansas State in 2008.

Kansas scored 26 touchdowns in 2010. This season, it has 20 through four games."

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justinryman 2 years, 6 months ago

Conference divisions:

The Big Division-OU, Ok st, KU, K st, and Isu

Texas Division-Tx, TT, Baylor, TCU and MU

The Texas division gets MU, cause just like Texas, MU thinks they're the biggest thing there is.

And yes I used the Big Division off of the play of the old Big8.

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

Oklahoma OSU Texas BYU TCU Boise St Missouri .. Air Force (3-1) Texas Tech (4-0)

8 or 9 strong football schools. Half of those could be considered "elite". Basketball is always going to be Kansas' for the taking it seems but with MU in the equation it adds to the basketball but I guess if they left maybe Louisville comes aboard to fill that loss.

For a conference that appeared to be on the brink it would seem they might end up as a stronger football conference. Turner Gill some day would like to field a decent team too here in a year or so hey?

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Michael Luby 2 years, 6 months ago

Come on guys, Im not a MU Tiger lover either, but seriously. Think about the longest historical rival in the nation between KU and MU. Do you really want to let that go? I sure dont! Its one of the most, if not THE most exciting rivalry in college hoops. All conference realignment specifics and conjecture aside, it would be sad to see that end. It wouldnt be the same, winning the conference without beating the tar out of the Tigers in their home stadium and putting the 'Antlers' to shame. This rivalry goes back to 1907. Thats over 100 years people! Added on to that is the civil war/border wars that occurred 60 years or so before that. Its just too big of a rivalry to let go of that easily. Not to mention the revenue for both schools when we play eachother.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 6 months ago

SEC: Ring, ring ,ring...hello? Missouri: SEC, it's Missouri..we'd love to join your conference. SEC: Missouri, let's discuss this first. Missouri; Nothing to discuss... we are set on you. SEC: Well, great...we'll get together and..... Missouri:: Just a second, I've got a call on the other line... hello? The Big Ten??!!...buzzzzzzzz. SEC: Missouri..hello...hello......is anybody there? Missouri; Click!!!!!

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Steve Gantz 2 years, 6 months ago

Add Christians(TCU)=Good Lose evil (misery) = Even better Spiritually the Big 12 could become a whole lot better now.

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

Either one of the two.. I have my sources!! ;) I kid

a) 12 teams: MU stays and we add BYU and Boise St to get to 12 b) 12 teams: MU leaves and we replace with Louisville or Air Force

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BABBOY 2 years, 6 months ago

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

Boise St is a national football brand. They are not the top choice but if you can bring along BYU as well it would make sense travel wise. It really packs a BCS punch doesn't it? Boise is the flashy alternative choice here. Top it off with Air Force (Colorado) and Louisville even if MU stays to put you at 14 then I say that's pretty sweet and makes sense on multiple levels. I liked this quote from the article for those that arent gonna read: "There are other schools that are in major markets, but don't deliver their markets in any shape or form," Benson said. "But how many television sets does Boise State turn on? It's probably greater than other programs from automatic qualifying conferences that are in major markets." Interesting point.

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Phoggin_Loud 2 years, 6 months ago

Since Missouri declined to vote on adding TCU & granting of rights and is actively seeking a new conference, WHY are they still allowed to be involved in the BIg XII meetings?? Doesn't this potentially hurt the Big XII if they have privileged conference info regarding expansion??

They should not be allowed to be anywhere near the Big XII meetings until they sign the granting of rights agreement.

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

Neinas said that he doesn't like the idea of far-flung leagues, and BYU and Louisville have campuses much closer to the current Big 12 footprint than Boise.

But if the Big 12 wants to bring in a member that will create a buzz nationally and spark interest in the conference beyond its borders, it should invite the Broncos.

Or it can invite a basketball school (Louisville) in the 50th ranked TV market.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44663939/Big_12_should_add_Boise_State

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firebird27 2 years, 6 months ago

The comments over TCU have focused on stability and football quality, but the conversation needs to focus on economics. When the Big 12 was initially formed, U of Houston, TCU, SMU, and Rice were not invited for economic reasons. Baylor was invited because there is no pro team in Waco to compete for the collegiate dollar. But Waco's market has not proven to be sufficient. TCU's recent football success partially came about because it did not have to play Texas, A&M, and Tech. TCU's football success was built initially by playing teams weaker than it faced in the Southwest Conference. Now, TCU must face real powerhouse football programs on a regular basis. The outcome will likely be for TCU to be less successful and generate fewer football dollars than it does currently. It is hard to compete with the Dallas Cowboys for football revenue, and TCU's fan base is not large since the university's enrollment is small. Thus, we cannot anticipate TCU being any stronger economically than Baylor in the long run.

The loss of Nebraska and Texas A&M were huge. You may not like those universities, but you cannot ignore the football income they generate. TCU and many of the recommended additions to our conference on this blog do not have the economic heft to strengthen the current Big 12.

Another reason for realignment beyond the desire for TV money is Title IX, which provides equality for women in collegiate athletics. I am very glad we have Title IX, but I doubt if there is one woman's team in our conference that generates more revenue than costs. Many men's teams are in the financial red as well, including basketball. Football is the economic generator that must bear the financial burden of other sports.

Personally, I wish we could return to the Big 8 days. That conference was truly a midwest league, but economically that solution makes no sense economically given the TV revenues and the need for Title IX.

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

I love how every news article refers to ESPN's Tulane rumor with either (lol) or (?/?) or (COME ON) hahaha. Tulane? Get real. Ain't gonna happen.

"Speaking to Travis Haney of the Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma president David Boren said that the conference “will be fine either way” whatever decision Mizzou makes and that the conference’s expansion committee, the paper writes, could be ready to offer and accept invitations in “a week to 10 days.”

“We will move swiftly,” the president told the Oklahoman. “It won’t take long.”

As for potential candidates for expansion, Boren stated that there are “three or four good choices” the Big 12 is considering. While Boren did not delve into specific names, some of the schools mentioned in connection with Big 12 expansion includes BYU, Louisville, TCU, SMU and West Virginia among others."

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/06/big-12-could-expand-in-a-week-to-10-days/

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Ron Franklin 2 years, 6 months ago

Whoops...I must have missed something. I didn't even realize ShZenger was still the AD. After all his silence, I was most certain Head Coach Self had presumed that role as well. He seems to be doing a pretty good job.

I am not a fan of silent leaders.

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Tracy L. Cauley 2 years, 6 months ago

I am as much a MU hater as anyone on this site but to say the conference would be better without them is crazy also to say you don't mind giving up the rivalry and playing them every year twice sometimes three times in Basketball is crazy as well. On the subject of bringing other teams in. Who's to say that with the right coach and the extra dollars that these programs will have by joining the Big twelve they won't become better. Basketball is a coach driven sport because one or two really good recruits make you competitive and relevent. Get off your high horse people and stop talking other folks down just to make yourselves feel good. Let the winning do the talking. RCJHGKU

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

Maybe we could take a Rice or Tulane to make up for a Boise St football grab! :D BYU too please . Get er done

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blindrabbit 2 years, 6 months ago

Please give up on West Virginia; nobody wants them and for good reasons. The Big East took them reluctantly years ago, the ACC and SEC don't want them now. Geographically , either of those conferences make more sense than the Big12. WVU has a very poor academic rating, the school and fandom are not at all like the mix of Big12 schools, this would be especially true if Mizzou was to bolt. A visit to campus and attendance at a WVU game would convince you of these points; also do you want to deal with Bob Huggins again.

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lama 2 years, 6 months ago

TCU is fine, but I'd rather have BYU. New market, huge fan base etc.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 6 months ago

You know who would make great additions to the conference, add millions if tv sets, give us additional revenue through a championship game, and make since travel wise?

Nebraska Colorado Texas A&M

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hawk4evr2 2 years, 6 months ago

TCU may not be on par with NU or A&M but they are right there with CU with their facilities. CU is larger but TCU fan support is better. I think it is a good add. It's interesting that a few weeks ago everyone was writing the Big XII obit and now it looks like it will be the Big East that doesn't survive. Chalk one up for the good guys and the midwest.

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hihawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Notre Dame would be a great addition but, I don't think there is much incentive for them to come too the big 12. There would be some great football games between Tex. and Okla.

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BPSkelly 2 years, 6 months ago

I agree that TCU doesnt seem like an earth mover at first glance. But their move to the Big 12 could easily be an earth mover in the realm of all the moving pieces with conference realignment.

With TCU NOT joining the Big East, the remaining football members are going to have some hard choices to make in due order. If im correct -- Cincy, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, West Virginia, South Florida is all thats left there. That isnt enough for a conference, much less a BCS conference.

My guess is this pushes UConn to the brink and they make more serious movement towards the ACC -- which they've already been quite public about. My guess is their recent silence has as much to do with the Big East as it does the ACC not wanting to look like a poacher. The talk of UConn, and possibility of Rutgers has to be back in play. At that point I think we have to look at the other 4 with at least more than passing interest. I've lobbied for us to go to 16, but even if we just took 2 of them -- to get to 12 (or 3 if Mizzou leaves), we're at 12 and fairly firm with that.

I agree with folks who think TCU is a step down from what we've been --- Id agree wholeheartedly. But whats done is done, and what now is whats next. I've mentioned going East makes more sense in both travel and time zone logistics. Is any of this optimal? No. But again, whats done is done. We need to make the best out of the situation... and Notre Dame is to pie in the sky for me to buy. Im sure its worth talking.

We take 2 (or 3) of the remaining Big East teams and go from there.

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milwaukeeJAYHAWK 2 years, 6 months ago

I'm conflicted about TCU.

It's not a "huge" get, and doesn't have what TAMU, NU or CU had in facilities, alumni, money, etc.

But what other options do we have? If we go for BYU, L'Ville, WVU or other schools, I can see us just being the last pig at the troff, getting what leftovers we can.

It's better than folding as a conference, so whatever. KU will be fine no matter who joins so I'm pretty content.

TCU might be really great for the conference, I dunno. We'll just hafta wait and see.

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Chris1955 2 years, 6 months ago

I wish I could be as excited about this as many of you seem to be. This, in my mind, no where near makes up for conference member losses like Colorado, Nebraska, TAMU, and now potentially, Missouri. Wow! TCU, the Baylor sequel! For me, this is like finding yellow fluid in my cornflakes.

I sincerely hope that KU can take advantage of this 6 year window to improve the football program, tighten our admissions criteria, retain our AAU status, and find a suitable replacement for Bill Self after he leaves. I still maintain futile hopes that we can somehow end up in the B1G TEN. This dog's breakfast of potential replacement schools is revolting. If there are going to be (4) 16 school super conferences, the Big 12 will not be one of them.

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JHawk74 2 years, 6 months ago

I propose a trade between SEC and B12. We trade Missouri for Arkansas!

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Keith Hummel 2 years, 6 months ago

I think this is a good addition overall. It's not a home-run hit, to be sure, but if our objective is to expand by several schools then TCU is a good start. In addition to a great football program, they have a very good overall athletics department. This is evidenced by the fact that they finished ahead of Texas Tech, Baylor, KSU, and Kansas in the most recent Directors Cup standings. Academically they have a great business school and the top pre-med program in Texas. They rank ahead of Kansas, OU, KSU, and Texas Tech in the latest study by US News & World Report. See the following link for more interesting pros & cons about this acquisition: http://www.statesman.com/sports/collegefootball/tcu-would-bring-good-things-and-bad-to-1900240.html

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KUMED71 2 years, 6 months ago

As the Big 12 goes about rebuilding itself a HUGE part of the success of the league will be having teams that want to be members of the conference. Mizzou has repeatedly expressed a desire to be elsewhere. People argue for keeping them in the league to maintain the ? great rivilary betweeen KU and MU. But at what cost? IMO the Big 12 remains unstable with any team that continually is looking to leave. Those teams need to go now so those of us left can go about our business with a greater degree of assurance. If I were a university looking at joining another conference I would not want the instability of a team like Mizzou around, They are a liability to stablity and should go now. If KU and MU wish to continue the competition so be it, but don't allow Mizzou to repeat this process over again. It's bad for the conference and all it's members.

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Robert Brock 2 years, 6 months ago

Man, it is a long way down from TAMU to TCU.

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

Looks as though the Big 12 is prepared to stand at 10 teams (which reportedly is what Texas prefers..) should Missouri stay. If Missouri leaves I'd have to think BYU would be next on the list... no rush on the Big East schools should the goal be to get to 12 due to the 27 month wait that would be required. Louisville and West Virginia would be the most likely options right? I could care less about Cincy really.

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

I finally figured out why Tulane would even be MENTIONED. Here it is "Tulane, because of its location in a major U.S. city (New Orleans) and strong academic profile." Pffft! Get out.. Big 12 needs to position itself accordingly when football is the driving factor behind all this. TCU seemed like a good fit all around. BYU hopefully is on the horizon. Perhaps the Big 12 isn't sold on the fact that BYU is expecting for us to come calling when really it should be the other way around? Just a guess. But look here... forget Tulane.

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

I am now thinking Air Force would have to be out when the schools other sports have had trouble even in the Mountain West and why they are considering a football only invite to the Big East while the other sports would potentially move to a smaller conference such as the Missouri Valley Conference. And with Boise St the issue there is academics on top of non-football sports being an issue. Seems BYU would have to be the most logical option at this point. Louisville and West Virginia might be the direction to go. Dang I still would love to see Boise St compete with the rest of the Big 12 on the football field though... would make great travel partner with BYU! (end wishful thinking..)

p.s. Cincy is such a yawner...

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jchief40 2 years, 6 months ago

Now that TCU is in.. go for 12 teams and football first by adding BYU and Boise State (if MU leaves then add either WV, another Big East school or perhaps Air Force):

For Kansas State president Kirk Schulz, inviting TCU to join the Big 12 represented a major step for the conference.

“This puts us in a great position for the future,” Schulz said.

But two questions remain.

  1. Will Missouri stay in the Big 12?
  2. Will the Big 12 continue expanding?

Here was Schulz’s answer to the first question:

“We continue to be encouraging Missouri that we want them to continue being a member of the Big 12,” Schulz said. “I think the rights package, the equal revenue sharing and the addition of TCU are all strong, positive steps that I hope will make a big difference in Missouri’s decision, which I ultimately believe will be to stay in the Big 12.”

The second question is more complicated. Schulz said some within the Big 12 favor remaining a 10-team conference, while others want to continue expanding to 12 or even 14 teams.

“Should we stay at 10, go to 12 or go to 14?” Schulz said. “That will continue to be a discussion the subcommittee has. I don’t think there has been a decision made. Some institutions are comfortable staying where we are. There will be some that think we should be bigger. We’ll continue to watch the college landscape and be in a position to respond quickly if need be.”

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HARVEYHAWK 2 years, 6 months ago

YEP ANOTHER NEB...-->MU... I WISH THEY HAVE A SAFE TRIP TO SEC! THEN FALL FLAT ON THEIR FACE!

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LVDeserthawk 2 years, 6 months ago

As a Jayhawk fan for the last 40 years, with every single one of those spent hating Missouri, I can't imagine the league with Kansas vs. Missouri. That is a rivalry that transcends what most people see as a rivalry. The rivalries in the Pac-12 by comparison, are comical. They drive off together and go back to their freaking beach houses and drink Pinot Noir.

In the end I hope this BS that MU is pulling is more about leverage and negotiating for more equal rights and putting Texas in their place. If not, then MU needs to go. I'm speaking from the stands and I don't have the facts that maybe the big shots have, but it seems like MU has had this ego mentality that they are too good for the conference. The comments about joining the Big 10, even though the Big 10 openly was not interested in them. Now MU officials making statements about the "SEC being all that is left." Personally, if I were the SEC, I would be saying "go to hell we don't need or want you." MU seems to have some serious ego issues at the top.

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johnnyphoton 2 years, 6 months ago

Why don't ya'll show a little respect? Git on yer knees n thank them texans fur them grantin' rights! You 2, apher.

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jhwkfan162515 2 years, 6 months ago

I think there's still a chance that Mizzoodle will stay with the Big 12 (or, as I prefer to call it for the time being, the I-35 League). The Big 10-plus-2 will not take them because they are not interested in any expansion plans that don't include Notre Dame. And the fact that MU officials publicly stated that the SEC is their second choice after the Big 10-plus-2 will alienate Mike Slive and the SEC school presidents and chancellors to where they will not invite Mizzoodle or accept any applications from them. I think the SEC will look elsewhere for their 14th team. In the meantime, Mizzoodle will have to come back to the I-35 League begging for forgiveness. The Border War will rage on, fellow Jayhawks! I believe that with all my heart.

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TwistedFish31 2 years, 6 months ago

The more I read these threads, the more I realize that there are several people that have no lives at all. apherahole, mangina...you trolls should go to your own schools boards...or maybe get a job and climb out of your parents basements.

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poopyku 2 years, 6 months ago

I am going to keep pounding this idea home until SHEZENG brings it up to the rest of the big XII AD'S! Add Cincy, West Virginia, Louisville, South Florida, Memphis, BYU, and Boise State( if Missouri tucks tail ). East Division would be Ku, K-State, MU(or Boise), ISU, Cincy, W. Virg, Louisville, and S. Florida. West Division: OU, OSU, UT, T. Tech, Baylor, TCU, BYU, and Memphis. You could also use a four division format grouping OU, OSU, Memphis, BYU- UT, T. Tech, TCU, Baylor- KU, KSU, MU/ BSU, ISU- Cincy, W. Virg, Louisville, S. Florida.

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Marvin Koelsch 2 years, 6 months ago

If you look at K.U. history, you will find that K.U. Football used to play T.C.U. in the past. We won some and lost some if I remember correctly. It will be a lot less miles of travel for both athletes and fans. If Mizzoo wants to leave, let them. Another story on this site a few days ago said that a lot of universities are inquiring about joining the Big 12. Quit complaining about the past and look at how good the future may be.

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Phoggin_Loud 2 years, 6 months ago

I believe that the reason that Mizzou is so ready to leave the Big XII is because of KU. Every time they turn around, KU hoops is winning the Big XII, going to Final Fours, & winning NC's. Then, just when they think that they are going to their first BCS football game, BAM!!! KU gets invited to (and wins) the Orange Bowl.
I think their alumni are sooooo tired of KU "one-upping" them that they are ready to go anywhere that KU isn't. First it was the Big 10, now it's the SEC. If this falls through, they will try to jump to the PAC. Not to mention that they believe they are better than they actually are. KU is in their head, and they want nothing else to do with them.

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Jeff Kilgore 2 years, 6 months ago

TCU is a great add. UT has enough seats to cover the entire conference, if you're all worried about MU. Good riddance. Let's add, if we can, BYU, Louisville, and Houston. I'm all right with these schools.

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hihawk 2 years, 6 months ago

A good trade TCU for Nebraska, at least we get a classy team and fans this way. NU was the worst.

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bradh 2 years, 6 months ago

Why are we talking about going to 10 or 12 teams? Everyone talks about the conferences going to 16, let's be the first and make it hard for others to poach. There are 6 football teams left in the Big East, go ahead and pick them up. ND may have to join a conference at that point.

What I've thought the Big 12 should do is use the one card they have - third tier rights. Talk to the big boys who could support their own tv network and invite them to the conference. Invite Alabama and LSU, invite Ohio State and Michigan, invite UCLA and USC. If they could each pick up an extra $300 million like Texas, I'd think they'd at least listen. You'd have to eat some tv rights for a few years, but after that, think what kind of tv revenue that conference would generate, just in time for the next tv contract.

MU = the small UT of the plains.

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Randy Bombardier 2 years, 6 months ago

Some of you are scoffing at the headline and snickering about TCU while totally missing the huge deal that the granting of rights is. I'd swear, there are times when I feel like KU fans are like piranha, just waiting for the water to get bloodied.

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Maracas 2 years, 6 months ago

How is adding a small private school in Texas from the Mountain West to the Big 12 a big day? No, they weren't part of the Big East yet. Another Texas school. Just what we didn't need. We got rid of one, and we add another? Sad.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 6 months ago

Remember this for a few days ago http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/ We have lost 3 million fans (4 if Mizzou goes) and replacing them with 400,000. Not I'm not a math major but this can't be good.

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 6 months ago

Before they start popping bottles, shouldn't they wait for TCU to actually accept the offer?

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jaybate 2 years, 6 months ago

All complaining aside, Chancellor Bernadette Grey Little may be the only hope for the Big 12.

The other leaders clearly lacked the right stuff.

CBernie has handled some tough situations pretty well in Larryland.

She's got Bob "Suck in Development Bones' Hemenway as her salt and pepper in the back ground.

And the Big 12 needed to finally admit that its butt was in a sling and it had to crawl before it could begin to walk in order to escape its present experience of taking a realignment 2x4 sideways.

CBernie is a tough, steely, feisty deeply connected woman in what remains a good old boy's world--chancelloring and development sucking.

She has kept KU on the grow in the middle of a worse depression that the Great Depression.

She appears wired all the way to Obama, given the presence of a Kansan in his cabinet.

And Obama is going to be (s)elected again; that's a foregone conclusion, so CBernie has that trump to play, too

If CBernie, with backing like that, and likely with corresponding channels to the hog trough in DC, can't dangle carrots and take the Texans to the woodshed and make them say, "Yes, Mistress Bernie, discipline us with a cat-o-nine tails and make us get better as conference members," then no one can.

But it is going to be a long slow process. This train has wrecked. This is a rebuilding situation, not a reloading one.

CBernie has to be looking at it like a coach coming into a wrecked basketball program. Its going to take several years to put this conference back together...if they don't lose any more schools.

The good news for CBernie is this: the Big 12 coalition of states is vital as a voting block to a number of big time players. If she can ever get the Texans, Okies and Kansans on the same page about conference sports, she can expect enormous underlying forces to reinforce what she is trying to do.

Bully for CBernie.

Go, CBernie, go!

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100 2 years, 6 months ago

Dear T. Boone Pickens,

In the quest to put a permanent stamp of power back on the Big 12, as once again, the most powerful conference in the nation....

You are being challenged to purchase the Arkansas Razorbacks from the SEC. I'm thinking $25 million.

At any rate, no matter the cost it will be worth it. You will be seen as the visionary who beat UT to the punch. And ironically UT will owe one to you down the road for bringing back one of their old rivals "for free"...

(of course you don't need to share what the investment will get you in return over the years, which will not only be much more than cost, but more importantly the feeling that you did something very, very, very right).

Arkansas is purchasable. They just didn't know which shopper they're dealing with yet. In fact they had no idea someone from the big 12 would just "buy them"....

But it's about to happen thanks to either you, or UT...

Personally I hope it's you.

We are the most powerful conference if we all start checking out what's inside of each other's wallets....

Now we just need to use our wallets & friendships wisely; it's time to raid the SEC boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rock Chalk T. Boone.

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jaybate 2 years, 6 months ago

Regarding the Pic of ShayZeng at top of story...

Perhaps the caption should read: KU AD Sheahon Zenger politely smiles after swallowing some less than stellar cooking by the KU Chancellor.

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rockchalkjjjhawk 2 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, can't agree that the TCU is a good move. I have little doubt that in time this addition will be proven to be one of the worst decisions of any BCS type conference of any time. I, for one, think that once again the Big12 had low expectations and succumbed to leftovers and southern pressures. The Big12 would have been better off, even with the possible exit of Missouri, just staying at 8 until a bona fide big conference type university could be added. The additions the ACC, B1G, and SEC are making make the Big12's decisions look silly at best.

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jaybate 2 years, 6 months ago

"In Fairy Tales, When You Kiss a Frog, It Turns into a Handsome Prince, But..."

~The Big 12 just kissed TCU...

~If adding TCU is a big day, then days have shrunken in the Big 12. TCU was the kind of add you make when you need some kind of positive news, while you work on some other group of schools that could actually save the conference.

~Two suggested better headlines:

"Horned Frogs Hop into B12-4+1"

"School that Fired Moe Iba, Billy Tubbs, and Neil Dougherty Enters B12 Coached by Tom Pender's Protege"

~While I've advocated bringing TCU in over the years to keep a Dallas presence should UT jump, it doesn't come close to solving the current problem of NU, CU, TAM and perhaps MU exiting. TCU is just a cupcake in football, and Creighton would have been a much better add for basketball.

~Is this really what CBernie and ShayZeng have been keeping secret about? Is this add what they couldn't talk about? Have they really been working away madly behind the scenes in order to bring in....drum roll please....TCU?

~Bottom line: this does not remedy the instability problem even a little. It just helps the conference members limp through a season, or two, while more negotiate jumps.

~The Big 12 just kissed TCU, but TCU is still a horned frog.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 6 months ago

So we replace three prominent teams and a fourth soon to be leaving with a flash in the pan and everyone is excited?!?!?

A commuter schools in cow town doesn't replace Denver, Houston, Stl, and Husker Nation. Sorry!

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William Blake 2 years, 6 months ago

"KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little, who served on the league’s four-member stability committee, released a statement Thursday afternoon. In it, she, too, pointed to Thursday being a great day for the Big 12 and the Jayhawks."

*Our open support of the Big 12 may have opened the door for BGL to serve on this committee... In the end, assuming the Big 12 survives, BGL may prove to many Hawk fans that she handled this tough situation in the best way possible for KU. I hope it works out to be the case!

“The news of granting of rights and equal revenue sharing and league expansion bears testament to the hard work of our board of directors and the stability sub-committee within the Big 12 Conference.”

"A couple of hours after expansion news broke, the Big 12 also announced that it had unanimously agreed to a formal grant of television rights for a minimum of six years."

*So does this mean Texas will equally-share the LHN revenues?

*And what about controlling networks (like LHN) to prevent recruiting advantages for some?

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senegal66025 2 years, 6 months ago

I haven't like Missouri since I found out that Q tried to kill my great grandfather. I think they should go down to the SEC home of the rebs where I am sure they will feel right at home.

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tolawdjk 2 years, 6 months ago

Obtaining ND would have to be as the 13th team. I can't really see the scheduling working with an 11 team football schedule. I also can't see TX putting up with a member school revenue sharing and allowed to keep their own individual major TV contract.

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Woody Cragg 2 years, 6 months ago

Could you imagine the conf with Louisville, TCU, Notre Dame (hoops), and N-N-NO m-m-m-misssssery? I sure as hell can. What a day that would be except for envisioning the tourney in a state with no team in the conf. That's the only downside. Watch em' start copping dueces & say they'll stay now that there's a 6 yr $$$ exit fee involved with departure. Then again, they're dumb enough to do it. If they do stay, I'll enjoy the beatdowns even more than ever. Hope KSU opens up the whoopa$$ this weekend-like maybe 69-0! Ya think? LOL plus all the malice in the universe intended!

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Fred Davis 2 years, 6 months ago

It's about time the Big 12 started taking other schools... And way to go Zenger... His silence has been golden... In Zeng We Trust

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