Monday, October 3, 2011

Turner Gill insists KU defense ‘better’

Kansas safety Keeston Terry celebrates his interception against Texas Tech during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas safety Keeston Terry celebrates his interception against Texas Tech during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011 at Kivisto Field.


A little more than 24 hours after watching his team squander a 20-0 lead and drop its second straight game, Kansas University football coach Turner Gill made a bold statement.

“I do believe that our defense did play better than what they had played,” Gill said.

The statistics don’t necessarily show that. In falling 45-34 to Texas Tech on Saturday at Memorial Stadium, the Jayhawks gave up 530 yards of total offense, including 366 yards and four touchdowns through the air. It marked the third time this season the KU defense had surrendered more than 315 yards passing. The only game in which KU (2-2) did not allow opponents to top that mark came in a Week 3 loss to Georgia Tech in which the Yellow Jackets set multiple school records on the ground.

So where exactly did the improvement come? Gill said the Jayhawks were better in a few areas.

“I thought we did make a lot more tackles,” he said. “We obviously still didn’t make enough. But (we play) some good teams and some good players, and they’re gonna make you miss some tackles. There were some good things. There just weren’t enough.”

Gill also pointed to the individual play of safety Keeston Terry and linebacker Malcom Walker as other areas of improvement for the Kansas defense. Terry, a red-shirt freshman, tied for the team lead in tackles with 12 and also picked up KU’s first interception of the season. Walker, a junior-college transfer, finished tied for second with eight tackles.

Despite playing his best game of the year, Terry was not willing to go as far as his head coach in saying the defense played better Saturday. The free safety from Blue Springs, Mo., said he sensed a drop in energy once Texas Tech started rolling and that the Jayhawks would have to address that and play with passion for four quarters before real progress can be claimed.

“I don’t know if someone’s gotta light a fire under us or what,” Terry said. “But we just have to figure it out. If not, the same result’s gonna happen over and over again.”

Like Gill, defensive coordinator Vic Shealy said he thought the KU defense made progress Saturday. But Shealy also said his unit took a few steps back at times.

“We need to go forward and stay forward,” Shealy said.

Asked how he expected that to happen: “It’s not rocket science,” Shealy said. “It’s about identifying what they’re doing, making a decision why the breakdown occurred and then drawing it up so your players see visually what happened and how you’re gonna correct it. Is it a call or is it just execution? A lot of it’s just executing better.”

For the most part, that falls on the players.

“Somebody’s gotta step up and make a play to get us off the field,” Shealy said.

With the frustration of another lopsided outcome fresh in their minds, Gill was asked Sunday if the message that his defense was improving had become a tough sell.

“We all know,” he said. “The tape doesn’t lie. They can see it and look at it.”

RB Miller OK

Gill said he expected freshman tailback Darrian Miller to be available for Saturday’s game at Oklahoma State.

Miller, who caught a 25-yard pass on the second play from scrimmage against Texas Tech, did not play after the reception because of a tweaked hamstring. Although the Jayhawks continue to evaluate Miller’s injury, Gill said he planned to have him this weekend.

“He’s fine,” Gill said. “He’s going to be available. We just don’t know how much he’s going to be able to go. We gotta make some decisions about whether we want to do it on a week-to-week basis or try to give him a little bit longer time to heal. But he’ll be available.”

Gill said the Jayhawks suffered no other significant injuries Saturday.

“There’s no one at this point in time that I can say is gonna be out for this next ballgame,” said Gill of the Jayhawks’ 2:30 p.m. Saturday match-up at Oklahoma State. “We came out of here pretty well as far as injuries.”

Cowboys big favorites

Oklahoma State (4-0) opened as a 29-point favorite against the Jayhawks when Sunday’s point spreads were released.

By Sunday night, the line had moved to as high as OSU minus 33 points in some spots.

Oklahoma State enters the game ranked sixth in the nation, with victories over Louisiana-Lafayette, Arizona, Tulsa and Texas A&M.; The Cowboys were off last weekend, giving them two weeks to prepare for the Jayhawks.


Alex Berger 4 years ago

Well, he is right. You can't get much worse than KU @ GT.

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

Don't say that. KU @ OSU could get a lot worse.

matlockhawk 4 years ago

45 is better than 66. And OSU could put 80 on our current "d". After all, what is to stop them?

Dan Pawlowski 4 years ago

Well one this is for sure. Those powder blue Uniforms are not only not Kansas Colors they also don't strike fear in the opposition.

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

I hope by now you know that those were the uniforms worn by KU win they won the Blue Bonnett Bowl in 1961. The first bowl game KU won 50 years ago. They brought all of those players back for Homecoming (more than 35 of them) and supported that team.

Dan Pawlowski 4 years ago

Please. Its time to create success by living in the now not the past. Harkening back to a time when we wore Carolina blue is not the move of a winner.

Dan Pawlowski 4 years ago

When we get a football past worth celebrating than we can talk. While I am not a fan of some of the crimson bball jerseys from the past, crimson is a KU color. Carolina blue, duh, is not.

Bob Morse III 4 years ago

So before this year the Charger uniforms were pretty intimidating.

Dan Pawlowski 4 years ago

Beats the hell out of "Baby" or "Carolina " Blue.

matlockhawk 4 years ago

They had lightning bolts on them.

johnnyhrdwd 4 years ago

I'm feelin it, we could have a big day running the ball against the cowboys. KU will at least cover, you know OSU was looking ahead during their bye week.

gardenjay 4 years ago

I like different shades of blue, but I agree that shade has to go.

I did like the improved defense, however. Not sure what they did in particular, and there were lapses - but what an improvement over GT!!!!

If TT played GT, I doubt they would lose, it might be a close game. Playing in front of KU fans is kind of like an away game, so I was really impressed. I don't think HCTG should listen to the griping people, he has a long term plan and is executing it to perfection through recruitment and not killing his players. Go jayhawks!!!

Dirk Medema 4 years ago

We forced 5 punts! That is improvement. Doege's completion % and YPA were worse than Picks - tho the INT's were 3-1. Also TT had twice as many penalties and yardage as KU. Some people say that is coaching, and yet most of those people also say we would be better off with Tubs. Lastly, we are a PAT, missed FG, and a goal line stand away from a tie game in spite of the 3 INT's and missing our #2 RB. This team has come a long ways.

Cmill1221 4 years ago

Gill has no clue what is going on. I had very little hope for KU football w/ gill in the driver seat. After this Saturday and seeing that Boise State statue of liberty play on 4th and 2 on the tech 3 FAIL and only go for 1 yard I now have NO HOPE for ku football with this clown coaching. I literally laughed out loud at how bad it was!! Then I could not help but feel absolutly heartbroken for the kids who need to suffer playing for this guy and for jayhawk fans all over who are forced to watch this disaster.

Bill Kackley 4 years ago

Why don't you just say it. You know like a black man coaching KU. Bigot.

sevenyearhawk 4 years ago


Charlie Strong (who took Louisville to a bowl game last season) would've been a MUCH better choice, if we really want to play the "race card"

Give it a freaking rest.


jaymar74 4 years ago

Louisville just lost to Marshall, all the sites in Louisville are calling for Strong to be fired.

ExerSciHawk 4 years ago

Personally I love it, I thought the D covered the screen passes well and at least disrupted the play, that Tech offense had some players but we are a much improved team... the offense is definitely capable and the D will get there with time/experience.... this is Kansas Football, not Florida, we will never be BCS bowl bound every year, we have to be patient and let the system work... even if/when Gill gets his program running, we'll still be going .600 on the season, some years better, some years worse... as Kansas football fans we can't really expect much more... be glad we have a blueblood basketball program, most schools have to cheer for FB and BB teams that both just are middle-of-the-road every year and they just look forward to "better" seasons here and there

NH_JHawk 4 years ago

Personally, I do not love it. I reject the notion that we should EVER have to lay down and accept mediocrity at any level. I'm glad we have a blueblood basketball program, but as Kansas football fans we can and should demand more.

sevenyearhawk 4 years ago


Kansas has the worst record of any program in ncaa championship games ...

Helms Foundation nonsense not withstanding.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

Only a KY/KSU/Mizzou fan would pooh-pooh a KU Championship in anything. Yes, I know the Helms Foundation Championships were voted on after the fact, but I will accept them gladly.

P.S. It is hard to lose in a Championship game when you don't get there in the first place.

texashawk10 4 years ago

I would guess 98% of schools would gladly trade their own basketball history with KU's in a heartbeat, title game losses an all. As for the worst record the NCAA title game, how many teams played in that game and never won it? KU is nowhere near the worst record.

jaymar74 4 years ago

that has to be the most assinine comment ever made on this website.

Bill Kackley 4 years ago

I agree with eferything you said except we can't expect more. Look at K-State look what they were and would be if it wasn't for Bill Snyder. They did him an injustice, just naming the stadium after him, they shoud name the whole town after him. Snyderville

blackhawkjayhawk 4 years ago

Loved the unis. Far better than our regular ones.

The team looked good for a half and we were playing without one of our top offensive weapons. Turnovers took us out of the game as much as anything - Webb's bad one on our side of the field, the fluky one in the end zone that stopped a drive and the dropped punt.

Keep Darian out as long as you need to, coach. We'll miss him but his long term value to KU is far more important than playing at Stinkwater.

texashawk10 4 years ago

That pick on the doorstep to the endzone is on Webb. He threw a deep pass into double coverage which asking for trouble. The only Webb pick I don't blame Webb for was his second one where Omigie let the ball go through his hands on a pass that he should've caught.

George Powell 4 years ago

Yeah, the uniforms are really great color if you play for North Carolina. Even the people I work with here in South Carolina asked me what is up the the Kansas using North Carolina? Have no clue but they should be staying with Jayhawk colors.

jhox 4 years ago

If we had half of a defensive line, we'd be much better. It is difficult to stop teams when the QB has all day to sit back there and pick out a receiver. The defensive line situation was poor when Gill took over, and it is no better now. Let's hope the focus on recruiting next year begins on the defensive line.

As for Saturday's game, take away our turnovers and it's a coin toss who wins. We're still giving up way too many long plays, but the offense is pretty good (other than the turnovers). The defense was better. We forced a few punts this week, for a change. Unfortunately, there is only so much a coach can do when he doesn't have any horses on the defensive line. The loss of Torbush also hurt. He did a nice job making half time adjustments last year. Shealy is not getting the job done in that respect.

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

If we didn't have turnovers If we didn't muff a punt If the Offense could execute on 4th down If we could tackle If we had a coach that could prepare the players If we had a defensive coordinator instead of a linebacker's coach as DC

Than we could hope for a coin flip against the ninth best team in the Big XII (and remember there are only 10 teams now).

I watched the game there were a lot of problems, no one is talking about how when the team went hurry up, we couldn't hold anyone. No one is talking about how they went on a 45-7 run. No one is talking about how the play calling on offense was poor. I thought when you got up by twenty you go to your strong suit and run the ball.

I'm not convinced that the defense played any better we just played a team that was more focused on defense than offense.

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

I know the over/under is now at 32, but how about the over/under on yards against KU in this game.

I'm going with 825, you know they have 768 posted on their wall and their goal is to get more than that.

Weeden to Blackmon is going to be a phrase that is going to kill me all game long.

fljayhawk 4 years ago

Gill may be the coach BUT that's one man's opinion! And I don't remember the Jayhawks ever wearing that powder blue 50 yrs ago. I graduated in 1959.

Funhawk 4 years ago

Here is color game tape of the '61 Bluebonnet Bowl. Kind of hard to tell, since the color is kind of faded in the tape, but the blue looks similar to Saturday's uniforms. I liked Saturday's "throw back" uniforms. Hey, check out the KU cheerleaders in this tape! :)

Funhawk 4 years ago

Bring back the '61 cheerleader outfits!!

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

1-7 last year in the Big XII 0-1 so far in the Big XII

Let's me competive but losses are okay

How does 0-9 sound in the Big XII this year. That would be 1-16 in the Big XII for HCTG's first two years.

What next year you will be satisfied again with a 1-7 or 2-6 record.

When do you expect to see 4-5 wins in the Big XII, maybe in 5 years when we have another coach?

Funhawk 4 years ago

We lost by 11 points. I, for one, did not think the final score would be that close. Obvious to me we are improving, especially on offense -definitely better than last year. Defensive coach said after game a big problem was lack of depth on the defense. I agree with AtlJaybird.

Ethan Berger 4 years ago

when gill inherited the program, they came off a 1-7 year also.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

But...but...that can't be right...I seem to remember us beating Ohio State in the National Championship game that year for Mangino's 7th NC victory. Then LSU hired Mangino away from us...that is correct, yes?

Funhawk 4 years ago

Yes, that is correct. Our prior coach has subsequently taken LSU from the bottom of their league to the top.

100 4 years ago

Exactly Phoghorn... Now I think most of us are putting the pieces together. Do you notice how, you talk to a KU fan, they can see what Gill is building. They see the improvement. They see that we are outrecruiting KSU & MU.

Then there's kusports. And you have your typical culprits, constantly whining, trying to run Gill out of town before we can even see four of his recruiting classes play together!

The puzzle shouldn't be that difficult to understand anymore. KSU fans in particular were extremely proud of the fact that in their eyes, "KU couldn't rise without Snyder's fat boy". Quietly they enjoyed his success because they knew they held that card.

Then the truth came out about Mangino at the toilet & on the 200 degree turf. Suddenly, we have a bunch of mysterious "KU fans" all over our website.

I think all of us have very fond memories of that 2007 season especially, to go with the 2008 Orange bowl victory. That was a whole lot of Mangino, his staff, his players & Todd Reesing. What a great year; 76-39 against Nebraska!

But when it comes down to it, most of us have certainly moved on by now. And even during the Mangino times, as fun as it was to be ranked, most of us could see a noticeable difference in speed & tenacity in teams like Florida & USC compared to our Jayhawks. And that was never a shot against Mangino, it's just somehow the incredible 4 & 5 star athletes, he couldn't even get into their mom's kitchen to turn on his Mangino charm.

Most KU fans get it now. If we really want to ascend to the level of taking care of SEC teams, as well as the OU's & UT's, coaching is important. But the biggest piece we need first is a bunch of studs wearing Kansas gear that can actually knock the NU lines off the blocks like we did for a year under Glen Mason, a year under Pepper Rogers, as well as a year under Phog & Naismith, the year we tied them 20-20, the year Nebraska blew a 20-0 lead against us... And got the funds flowing in for our current stadium.

We can get these kind of players on a consistent basis now. We get the big, thick, 6'4" Defensive line studs, & you better guard your oatmeal. Get a little depth behind those guys, & you better tell your 300 pound 22 year old Nebraska grandkids to guard their babyback ribs.

Don't forget Jayhawk fans, with Gill we are gaining insight into how to build a National Champion (he's done it 3 times as Quarterback coach). Nebraska Coach Tom Osborne always said, it takes 5 years to develop your players for a national championship. He was the king of redshirting & bringing in 5 year walk ons.

Our culture is changing here Jayhawks. We will be big winners in the next couple years. We as fans need to begin looking at what we can do to root for this team win or lose, & keep the stadium packed.... Because really, if all of this happens under Gill, the stadium we will need, we are already playing in. Only it will finally hold 80,000. Like it was originally designed.

Rock Chalk

jaymar74 4 years ago

34-45 is a large improvement over 7-59. If you can't see the improvement you are either watching football for the first year of your life, or you do not want to see the improvement.

Funhawk 4 years ago

I'll say it again. We need to bring back the '61 cheerleader outfits. Our football program and all of society's morals started going downhill when more skin was exposed by our cheerleaders. If we went back to these 1961 cheerleader outfits, we could turn around the football program and get at least to another Bluebonnet Bowl.

jartiv 4 years ago

Well... TTU was averaging 48 pts a game coming to Lawrence, and we held them to JUST 45!! Success!

Better??? Better Gill?? WHAT?!?!?!

There is so much going wrong with our defense and all the problems come back to coaching. Turner Gill saying that our defense was "better" points out that our coaches don't even think there is a problem.

We are LAST in the country for pts allowed - 44.5


doolindalton 4 years ago

The defense was better, but better than what? The worst defensive performance ever? It's hard to get excited about a team that blows a 20 point lead without a wimper. C'mon, Turner, there's got to be some old d/coordinator hanging around somewhere that you can bring in, if for nothing else just to acknowledge that you realize the team has a desperate problem.

bradynsdad 4 years ago

I know I am one of the few that have faith still in turner and yes it is fading but I still have it. I think our offense and special teams have played great thus far. I mean our offense has been putting up big numbers and our special teams always gives us great field position. Now comes the broken record of our defense. I do believe gill should be looking for a new defensive coordinator. We knew gill would score points because that is his background, but it is time to put all our recruiting efforts into defense. Like I said for our offense being mostly freshmen and sophomores I think they are playing great. If we had a defense I truly believe we would be a dangerous team.

Funhawk 4 years ago

Without a good, deep defensive line, a good Texas Tech quarterback has plenty of time to fling the ball. Without a defensive line, an explosive Georgia Tech can run up and down the field. Without a defensive line and only one recruiting year under their belts, blame the current coaches? Mangino left the cupboard bare. He is the one to blame for this year's lack of depth. Plus, he annually chased away his coaches, so the defensive players had to learn a new defensive scheme every year. So, now we are to blame the second year replacement coach for the prior coach's decisions? Accept growing pains with any new coach.

bradynsdad 4 years ago

I don't think Mangino is to blame. Our offense has had the same amount of time to prepare and they are doing everything they should on their side of the ball. I know Vic will be around the rest of the year but at this rate ku will have around 800 points put on it in one year. We haven't even played the high power offenses yet. I am giving sneaky this year but if we are still getting dominated then maybe we should look for a change. Do you agree funhawk?

Funhawk 4 years ago

Well, the current team stats for offenses shows these national rankings: Georgia Tech is #2 in the country, Texas Tech is #18 in the country. So, I guess KU contributed 1/4 to those teams being ranked that high. But, GA Tech and TTech are very, very good offenses. We at least have a chance to beat MU, K-State and Iowa St., IMHO.
Have you ever seen a KU offense as good as those two teams' current offense? Everybody is having a hard time against GA Tech and TTech's offenses.

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

Special Teams had an extra point blocked and a fumble that directly led to a TD.

I think there was another fumble that we got back on special teams.

Yep much better--8 Points is nothing to worry about (yes sarcasm is present)!

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

I forgot we missed a field goal as well....hmmm 11 points...sounds like the spread.

Don't give our special teams too much credit.

Kent Wells 4 years ago

"We have them surrounded."

  • General George A. Custer

ahpersecoachingexperience 4 years ago

A big thing everyone is overlooking is that TT suuuuuuuuuuucks. The will finish 8th or below.

As for the points, you could still feel pretty good about 33 points (I got 'em at 29, cha-Ching). But don't think they spent two weeks preparing for us. They spent the bye week looking at ut stuff then will look at us this week.

Also consider the cats for a little easy money this week. They just took care of RG3 and are dogs against mizzou, huh?

ahpersecoachingexperience 4 years ago

Yeah, what's their strength of schedule so far?

ATM over TT = free money

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

Dude, your point is valid in so much as TT isn't a great team this year. But they don't suck.

jaymar74 4 years ago

Baylor is overrated, see TCU vs SMU. Baylor and TT are about even. Not a huge difference in the game we played against TT and the one KSU played against Baylor. I said huge. KSU got some breaks, we lost some breaks. One of the best defensive plays we have had this season, tip of pass in the endzone by Smith, went into TT players hand for a TD. The int by TT on the goal line bounced off of a TT helment and a TT ankle before it was intercetpted.

AzNHawk 4 years ago

AtlJaybird says it like it is. Right on my fellow jayhawk!

jrbill67 4 years ago

Turner Gill needs to wake up. His defense is awful and his "very good" offense will get outscored every week for the balance of this season.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

Giving Coach Gill 5 years may, or may not lead to success.

Changing coaches every 2-3 years guarantees failure.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

False dichotomy. I am not yet convinced that Coach Gill will go 3-9 for 5 years. If he does, then I might support a change. If you think this year is bad, have a look at Coach Snyder's record at KSU for his first 2-3 years. Yes, Coach Snyder inherited a challenge, but so did Coach Gill. Not only did Coach Mangino leave the cupboard bare, he also removed the shelves.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

Not comparing the two coaches, just their records. If the KSU fans had run Coach Snyder out after his first two years, then his record would have been one of failure. Same with Coach Gill and his record. Coach Snyder built a dynasty, it just took time. I am going to give Coach Gill the same opportunity.

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

I'll take you one further. Snyder's teams have a tremendous history of starting the season with a complete clunker! This year against EKU, an absolute mind-bender a decade or so ago against Indiana State. Their fans that I know actually allow for a full body of work before jumping ship. I know he has some equity, but asking for 3 years before dropping the axe isn't unrealistic.

Tony Bandle 4 years ago

Lack of quality depth on defense hurt, especially against the no-huddle, hurry-up offense.

Frankly I thought it would be the worst football performance I would witness during the weekend......the St.Louis Rams proved me wrong!!

The best football I saw was the Free State Firebirds under the Friday Night Lights!!!

PS If you'll fire Gill, we'll fire Spagnola. :)

Tony Bandle 4 years ago

PS At least the Jayhawks did not commit the ultimate sin...they were not boring!!

justinryman 4 years ago

After the pummeling the Huskers took this Saturday Im not sure too many Cornhusker fans want Pelini either. Their offense is a joke and they have a ton of talent, and their D has gotten worse the past two years not better.

I have heard the fans up here in Omaha starting to question the Pelini hire now.

But I do believe Mr. Gill is on his way out, but who does Kansas get? Somebody tell me who wants to coach at KU for football???

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

All this "NU didn't want Gill" stuff is complete nonsense. They didn't hire him, but he was on a very short list for the job, as opposed to thousands of coaches who were not. I live in Nebraska, and anybody on this board who says Husker fans and the NU administration aren't Gill fans simply does not know what they're talking about...period! I can't count the number of Husker fans who've told me KU is now their second favorite team because Gill is the coach. He may not work out, but pointing to that as your reasoning just doesn't fly.

texashawk10 4 years ago

The reason Gill wasn't hired as Nebraska's head coach last go around was because Nebraska needed someone to rebuild their defense which was horrible at the time. Had Nebraska's offense been the side of the ball that needed more help, then Gill would be the head coach of Nebraska now instead of Pelini.

Funhawk 4 years ago

You are exactly right. I remember Husker fans I knew at that time being split 50/50 between which one of the two to hire. They all told me they could not lose with Turner, but NU chose Pellini because Nebraska's defense was in shambles, and that was a big embarrassment for NU. A long time, key employee of NUs Athletic Dept also told me the same thing when all that was going on, which one to chose. Good thing they passed on Coach Gill. Their loss was our gain.

AzNHawk 4 years ago

I wonder if the Auburn fans were just as impatient, and whining little b^%&*#s and super Anti-Chizik as are these "ku fans" when they hired him.

I mean, he had a poor record at Iowa State, but ended up winning a national championship in what some may call a sketchy and up/down highly publicized way.

AzNHawk 4 years ago

And if Auburn doesnt win a national championship or posts a mediocre, sub-par season then Chizik's head will be called for right?

ahpersecoachingexperience 4 years ago

Yeah, they were not too happy when he arrived.

"give us gill!" lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

AzNHawk 4 years ago

justinryman - And just who in going to front 8 million dollars to Zenger and Little-Gray in order to buyout Gill's contract?

justinryman 4 years ago

Hey I support Gill, as long as he's coaching at KU. I always have.

I don't know about the buy out, and I'm not sure it's going to happen, but it isn't looking good for Gill and Co.

They need to make changes on the D side of the ball, they need to scheme differently show different looks and attack.

Hey I like Turner Gill as a person, I have met him more than once. In college and as the coach of Buffalo. But I know that doesn't make a good coach, it can, but really Im just at a loss as what to think.

I am a firm believer you have to give a guy time to get his players and thats a minimum of 3 years so 4 and 5 is a good litmus test. But in today's world of microwaves and twitter does anyone really want to wait? I am, but I just can't see it.

100 4 years ago


Your money.

In getting rid of the track.

And lowering the field.

And encapsulating the U with seats.

This will bump our attendance to 80,000.

In three years, in Coach Gill's fifth year; the national championship party will be more enjoyable in an SEC-type snakepit stadium.

Gill will bring the recruits. We need to start being fans & plan for the future.

We need a stadium, either way.

If Gill doesn't bring us to the national championship game in 2015, then the "real fans" can start thinking about the next step regarding a coach.

For now, let's enjoy what he's building. I guarantee few saw the offense looking this good, this early.

With a solid D, we'd be 4-0 right now.

If real fans need to complain (campaign) about anything... Here's a list:

  1. Gill: Bring in a bunch of D line studs. We need depth.

  2. Fans with deep pockets: put money into the 80,000 stadium expansion. No matter who is coaching in a few years, it needs to be a stadium that can hold champions, show champions on TV & recruit champions.

  3. Shealy: write these letters to him personally.

  4. Torbush: we very well could be 4-0 if he didn't have prostate cancer. So let's write some letters to him & wish him the best. He is doing the right thing for himself & his family. As Jayhawks, we should thank him for his short time he spent with us.

Rock Chalk to all True-Blueblood Jayhawks looking to build a long-term champion.




AzNHawk 4 years ago

Why yes! LONG TERM STABILITY. I can see it because i've learned patience throughout my existence here on this earth.

While the rest of the people on this earth have been ridiculed with impatience and a now attitude.

justinryman 4 years ago

I'm not saying "Fire Gill!!"" I like the guy and see great recruits coming in.

But he has to coach them up and I'm not seeing that on the D side of the ball. The offense is much improved and I like what I am seeing with it. But this is the same D that has been on the field the past 3 years now, no improvement at all.

Again I'm not saying he should be fired, I believe in the 4 year plan of all coaches, but I just can't see the school keeping him here with what has happened the past two games.

I won't stop cheering for Gill to succeed, I want to see it. I won't stop cheering for this team to win, I want to see it. I won't stop being a "True-Blueblood Jayhawk" either.

texashawk10 4 years ago

Your willing to give the HC his four years because you believe allowing him to get his players into the program is the best chance for success. Why does this same line of thinking not apply to the assistant coaches as well? One thing the most top flight programs have is consistency among the coaching staff. Keep in mind that Shealy was promoted to defensive coordinator AFTER spring practice which means KU had about 3 weeks to try and learn the 3-4 defense before the season started, that is a recipe for failure as is changing DC's and base defenses every year which KU has been doing. Shealy is the 4th DC in 5 years and KU has changed base defenses each of the past 4 seasons. Consistency with the DC and base defense will make the defense better.

Joe Baker 4 years ago

How long did it take for Mangino to win a bowl game? How many of these recruits are Gills? I believe Gill's freshmen are just now playing. I don't like it either but I want to see his recruits in 1-2 years.

TG- I give you 1-2 years and expect to see some serious results. Stay focused, get to work and stop blowing smoke to the media and fans. Just say it like it is, we are inexperienced and my boys need to time to develop and grow.

Lastly, recruit, recruit, recruit and did I say recruit?

Git r dun

texashawk10 4 years ago

1/3 of KU's Big 12 games under Mangino resulted in 20+ point losses for KU and 1/3 of KU's games overall resulted in a double digit loss for KU. Mangino also lost 11 games by 30+ points while at KU, hardly competitive in almost every game.

TXHawk55 4 years ago

Sorry, worst hire ever. I'm not a TG hater (really), but he gets one more year in my mind. Who would have thought a guy win no meaningful success anywhere would come to KU and be successful? His 2011 class was nice (based largely on number of recruits), but his 2012 is turning out to be shockingly bad.

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

Gill had every bit the resume Mangino had and more. He had national championships as a player and an assistant, stops in the NFL, front office jobs. an actual head coaching job, on and on and on. The ride has been bumpy so far, but it wasn't because of the resume.

texashawk10 4 years ago

KU can only sign something like 14 or 15 players this year so the toatl numbers aren't going to be there this year, but the average star rating is about the same this year as it was last year.

Benjamin Piehler 4 years ago

I have no doubt the offense is better than last year.... I haven't seen much to be encouraged about on the other side of the ball, though.

Benjamin Piehler 4 years ago

Oh, and KU is now the ONLY Big 12 team to not be in the top 25 or have any votes to get in.

Benjamin Piehler 4 years ago

apologies, Mizzou is in the same boat as KU.... for now.

bradynsdad 4 years ago

Quick ku fans, first on to answer this question gets to start as our middle linebacker Saturday. What team holds the record for most points allowed by a defense in a single season and what was the grand total? I still believe in gill but I'm curious to know if we might reach the record. Records must be after 1970.

100 4 years ago

Let's not forget Torbush came down with cancer & that's already changed a lot of things this year. I really think a lot of these posts need to address that instead of talking about. "Gill this, Gill that". If Torbush hadn't come down with cancer, we very well might be 4-0. We are obviously still thin on the D line, but certainly if our D played decent in both the GT & TT games in the second half, our offense could have won those games.

Why does Gill's name get put in there, he didn't give Torbush cancer for crying out loud!!!!!

Campaign for Gill to recruit D linemen: I guarantee you this is the best pure recruiter KU has ever had. We need depth. And SEC type studs. Pinkel can't get those kind of players as a true freshman. Neither can Synder. Gill & his staff can.




Phoghorn 4 years ago

Well said. Look at the turmoil that has resulted from changing defensive coordinators over the last few years. Now if we extrapolate this logic to the firing of head coaches in the same manner, we will understand why KU has been doomed to doormat for decades.

AzNHawk 4 years ago

Cheers! I'll drink to that. =)

bradynsdad 4 years ago

I have to disagree with you, I am pretty sure gill gave Carl cancer and will soon wipe out the rest of the coaching staff. I was just having some fun. I also didn't see an answer to the trivia question so I will ask you not to buzz in if you don't know. Just having some fun guys calm down. I do believe if our defense could get a couple more stops we would be a dangerous team.

100 4 years ago

I figured so. You're definitely on the good side of the force. You're in Griffindoor. You're Curly, not Mo. You're on Colonel Eldridge's side. By God, you're a true blue-blooded Jayhawk!

flyingfinn 4 years ago

What a moronic comment what is Pinkel's and Snyder's successes versus Gill, saw the same recruit message BS last year and last summer

Funhawk 4 years ago

Mangino’s second year was 2003. Being the second year, the team was mostly players recruited by the prior KU coach. We ended up tying for 4th in the Big XII North. Our conference record was 3-5. After losing the Tangerine Bowl, we had a losing record for the season. “Fire the coach!”

Mangino’s third year was 2004. He finished 4-7, tying for 5th in the Big XII North at a conference record of 2-6. When KU played Texas Tech that year, KU had a 25 point lead in the second quarter, went stagnant in the second half because our coach decided to start throwing the ball. We ended up losing to Texas Tech. “Fire the coach!”

Mangino’s fourth year was 2005. We finished 7-5, tying for 5th in the Big XII North at a conference record of 3-5. We went to the Fort Worth Bowl.

Mangino’s final year was 1-7 in conference with senior playmakers, losing the last six games. Mangino’s final KU record was 50 wins and 48 losses. Conference record was 23-41, even a losing record against North teams. Of the 24 games playing Big XII South teams, we lost 20 of them. Thank goodness for Baylor. “Fire the coach!”

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

Did you watch that Tangerine Bowl? That defense was about as good as this one!!!

David Robinett 4 years ago

Just wondering guys...

Shouldn't Gill get credit for the offense, even while taking the blame for the defense? So if the offense is successful, and "ahead of schedule", that means he is not incompetent.

We did lose our DC right before the season, so no time to find a replacement nor change schemes. Plus, we don't appear to have talent there other than maybe TO.

I'm guessing D takes longer to develop. My hope is that we can focus on recruiting D this year, and see immediate success next year, just like we've seen on O.

AzNHawk 4 years ago

I wont disagree with you here.

texashawk10 4 years ago

Shealy did change schemes after Torbush had to step down because he believed the 3-4 would help mask the lack of depth on the D-Line. The D-Line has not been helped out by injuries this season to the two best DT's KU had. The one that is currently out for the year (John Williams) was actually doing a pretty good job of keeping other teams from running right up the middle on KU's D-Line. KU does have some young DT's that should be pretty good DT's given another year to add bulk to their frames and allowed to go through a spring practice running a 3-4 defense and really learn what their roles are in the 3-4 alignment because it is very different from the 4-3.

AzNHawk 4 years ago

Mangino's record looks like it improved slowly, then took a small dip, then came back up, kept up a bit, then slowly started to decline.

Yeah Funhawk I see where you're going with this. No matter the record, sub par, mediocre, winning or even championship caliber we'll always want to "Fire the coach"

(sarcasm) That is the BEST WAY to keep consistency in a football program.

vd 4 years ago

MM was great. We lost, but they were close.

kureader 4 years ago

Don't agree with Gill. Gill's overlooking the 17 penalties that killed Tech. Yet they still hung 45 on us. KU's defense played a great first quarter ... then, Tech figured us out and kicked our butt. It's probably my imagination, but it seems that other teams are able to adapt as the game progresses ... we get worse.

As for Darrian Miller, he has now hurt his hamstring twice. There's no such thing as a "tweaked hamstring". You don't screw around with a pulled hamstring. We have other backs. Playing with bruised ribs might be toughness, but playing with a pulled hamstring is stupid. Miller needs to stay on the sidelines for a couple weeks and hope he doesn't insure the thing a third time.

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

I think that I would take T. Gill as an Offensive Coordinator assuming we brought in someone to handle the defensive measures.

It should be noted, that of our 8 committed recruits next year, two are on the defensive side. One Defensive End (Yes!!! - 3 Star) and an unranked Cornerback. I know we are still in the running for some DE and DT, I just hope we can land about 4-5 of them.

I know I am and have been negative about HCTG, but my biggest complaint is when Torbush retired, we didn't go looking for someone that had experience. Vic Shealy is a linebackers' coach and needed oversight, he isn't ready to take an underperforming Defense and make it better. Don't tell me there aren't people that are available. We need a defensive coordinator and we don't have one. IF HCTG can't see that we need additional help in Defense, that is on him, and is the biggest sign that there is a problem with the HC.

Andy Hess 4 years ago

Love the headline. "Better." Better than what? Better than a high school team?

Dyrk Dugan 4 years ago

Turrner Gill is going to be the coach the rest of this year, and for sure next year....he has to have a chance to get his guys in, and stabilize the defense.

i would say he gets four years at least...he is getting paid $2 million/year....we can't buy him out this quickly.

we are on our 4th d-coordinator in five years....we're also on our 4th defensive line coach in five years...only this year, did we have the same d-line coach as the previous. there is no continuity on defense whatsover. plus, you are breaking in a guy, who had no major college coordinating experience at all. Remember, Torbush basically retired at the beginning of June. we really had no choice to promote someone, based on the time of year.

and given the fact that we are just now getting our LB numbers the d-line...and our secondary is totally inexperienced...this all adds up to shoddy defense. think about it: only two recruited LBs played last year....two. and both were seniors, and after significant injuries in college, they couldn't run.

i've said all along, based on our defense, and the improvement in our offense, that our record would be similar or worse than the year before...but we WOULD be a better ballclub. i was hoping for 4-8, and i still am. shootout games are still possible with a number of opponents....and with an IMPROVED D and kicking game, we could win a couple.

we can't get bogged down as KU fans, of comparing apples and oranges....past eras, coaches, other programs....KU football may be the only program in America, with a dominant basketball school...that its fans and the media expect every year to go to bowl games, and compete for league titles. it's just not going to happen.

and if we change coaches again this quick, it FOR SURE won't happen. who will coach here, when you can't bring your recruits in? or solidify your staff? Dan McCarney at ISU in the 90s didn't have a winning SEASON ...until year six...and then he rattled of six in a row.

Mangino went the JUCO route...he brought in a JUCO QB, and JUCO D-line and LBs....and we had some success early. but he still didn't have a winning season until year four....and didn't go to back to back bowl games...until years six and seven.

this coach deserves his time at the guide the ship his way. if he sinks, he sinks...but at least deserves several years at sea.

texashawk10 4 years ago

I'll stick with Big 12 games only for this since Mangino never scheduled any good non-conference teams which leads itself to padding his record. Against Big 12 teams we all know what Mangino's record is (23-41). Of those 41 losses in conference, 10 were by 30+ points, 19 were by 20+ points, and 28 games by 10+ points. Against Big 12 opponents, Mangino lost 43% of total games by double digits and 30% were by 20 or more points. When about 1 out of 3 conference games results in a 20 point or worse loss, I don't think that can be considered being competitive in almost every game.

Funhawk 4 years ago

Thank you for posting these sad, revealing numbers. The truth hurts and Gill haters need to see them. More f-n, fun Mangino history :

Phoghorn 4 years ago

Conventional wisdom suggests that Mangino had one great season, and several average ones. It is even more simple than that. In 2007 we won some close games, in most of Mangino's other seasons we lost close games.

Don't get me wrong, Coach Mangino did improve our program, but let us not think he was the second coming of Knute Rockne. He took a terrible program, made it mediocre, and then let it slide back to terrible.

The most troubling aspect of Mangino's tenure was the lack of recruiting following the Orange Bowl victory. There are a couple possible reasons.

  1. Rumor had already spread about Mangino's tactics. Please don't start with the fact that other coaches are tough - show me pictures of burnt hands under Coach Tom Osborne or Coach Bear Bryant. Show me testimony of Coach Paterno or Coach Schnellenberger dropping F-bombs on their secretaries.

  2. Coach Mangino thought that he would quickly get picked up by a "big" football program and did not try too hard to get the big recruits.

Finally, once the allegations were out, KU had no choice but to get rid of Mangino. The recruiting had slowed to a trickle, but the allegations would have shut the spigot off completely. I am still on the fence about Coach Gill. I like his positive attitude and I hope it will translate to wins on the field after his recruits have a couple years of playing. Either way, he is our coach, and I will support him while he is here.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

Thanks for the affirmation! Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

texashawk10 4 years ago

So the best coach KU will ever have is someone who could only win 1 out of 3 conference games. Damn, I guess I quit being a KU fan if that's the absolute best KU will ever be able to do and go support a winner.

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

Okay...Let's Talk about HCTG and his Salary. These are 2010 numbers. He was the 21st Highest paid coach. I realize that there are probably a few higher because teams like Notre Dame don't report (private).

He made about $2.1MM in 2010, notice he made $1,200 more than Bo Pellini. He makes more than Steve Spurrier, Mike Gundy, Bill Snyder, Mike Sherman, and Jimbo Fisher.

Almost more than $500k more than Gary Patterson,$600K more than Tommy Tubberville and Chris Peterson. $800k more than Mike Stoops, Rick Neuhasahen, Kyle Wittingham.

He makes $25k less than Frank Beamer.

Jim Tressel made $3.8MM, I wonder if he would be available for a discount.

All those who say we aren't investing we did, the question is did we invest in the right guy?

Over a $1MM more than Dave Wannestahnt,

Aligned 4 years ago

I agree, but let's remember that TG is only guilty of accepting a 10m contract with no buyout clause. The blame lies with the man who extended the offer.

Scott Oswalt 4 years ago

Horrible hire & horrible contract. Makes me sick.

Why would KU make this hire? Look at Buffalo's record while TG was the coach:

2006: 2-10 2007: 5-7 2008: 8-6 2009: 5-7

That's one winning season in an awful conference. Hummmm..... We should've offered Tommy Tuberville the job.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

For a better frame of reference, look at Buffalo pre-Coach Gill. 10 wins in 7 years. Seems like he improved things, in part by convincing Texas players to come and play in the snow. I am not saying he is the next Coach Paterno, but I do think that he can be much better than many KU fans think.

Tuberville...I have seen some rumors of his interest in Kansas, but nothing certain. Has anybody found definitive evidence that he wanted the KU job? (I am discounting random speculation type blogs). I am not trying to troll here, I just want to see some concrete evidence that we were in a position to offer him the job.

Scott Oswalt 4 years ago

Yes, TG did improve the Buffalo program, but only had one winning season. I'm just confused why Lew Perkins offered him the job..... He's not qualified.

I just heard Tuberville wanted the Kansas job through the grapevine.

Scott Oswalt 4 years ago

$2 million to an unproven coach is RIDICULOUS!!!

I'm sure if we offered Tuberville $2 million a season, he would've taken the job.

Michael Maris 4 years ago

Guess who started their Head Coaching Career with the following records:

3 - 9 (2 - 6 in Conference) 2 - 10 (0 - 8 in Coference)

Then was hired to a better University to coach that Football Team Program?

Well, let see. That coach next teams went:

8 - 5 (3 - 5 in Conference) 14 - 0 (8 - 0 in Conference) 4 - 1 (2 - 0 in Conference).

Yeah, Gene Chizik.

He at least had a history with the SEC, before being hired by Auburn. Now, if Charlie Strong should happen to get fired at Louisville, maybe Gill should consider hiring Charlie Strong to be the D/C at Kansas.

jaymar74 4 years ago

Tuberville will be gone from TT before Gill is gone from KU. TT had 17 penalties on Sat. TT will win maybe one more game this year. TT had much more talent to start with one year ago.

kureader 4 years ago

Good post, jhawkrulz.

As someone else said, it's not Gill's fault that he was handed a sweet $10m, no-cut deal ... but, it does cause you to expect more. If we were gonna spend that kind of money, I wish we'd have hired a more seasoned head coach. It is what it is. We're gonna have to accept what we've got for another two or three years. I do think we'll continue to get better.

boknowssports 4 years ago

So if we got 2-10, will all the Gill lovers consider this year an improvement over last year's 3-9?

jaymar74 4 years ago

If we continue to be in the top 4 or 5 in the conference in total yards? Yes. If we continue to make small steps forward on defense? Yes. If we continue to show significant improvement in special teams over last year when we had trouble getting a punt off? Yes. If we continue to see freshmen like Miller, Bourbon, Pierce, Terry, Shepard, Jackson, ..... making plays game after game? Yes. This program has come a long ways in one year, if people can not see that they do not want to see it because they want Gill to fail. Why? I think most of us know.

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

Here's my shot at this. A new coach has to be given 3 years to succeed, ESPECIALLY at a place like Kansas. Personally, I think the fact that the offense is light years ahead of last year is pretty amazing. And this week included, the special teams seem to be improving. It is certainly true that the defense is a complete mess, but I really do feel that is mainly because HCTG was left no and has recruited no defensive linemen. My best guess is that one or two of last year's OL recruits will end up there. But this program is in desperate need of JUCO help on the DL, and I'm hopeful we will get it. As for the defensive coaching, I feel like coaching can only hide a lack of talent for so long. In this week's game, that was precisely one quarter. Once there is more talent on defense, I imagine the halftime adjustments will be more noticeable. I think we need to give Gill this year and next, and I truly believe we will see more improvement.

Phoghorn 4 years ago

Calling Dell Tech Support to demand a refund on my computer because they forgot to include a "Like" Button on my keyboard.

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

gracias! (did I spell that right?)

100 4 years ago

Rule 17b of the Kansas fan handbook says, if a head coach is a bonafide recruiter with three NCAA rings on his finger & one ex player with an NFL championship ring on his finger who Gill himself helped land in the NFL to begin with by staying up late, calling his ex employer (the Green Bay Packers), to make sure the kid was even drafted, then this coach needs to be given 5 years. Coach Gill knows what it takes to be an NCAA champion & an NFL champion. Furthermore, he is a man of character & blue chips love to play for a Coach like this. We've never had a recruiter like this before.

Nebraska's teams of the 80's & 90's were built on 5 year players. That's the philosophy we are going with, & personally I love it. 5 years.

Big thick huge linemen. He's landing 'em. Speed demons who can dash 50 yards like a leopard with the football. He's landing 'em by the handful. Tall fast receivers. He's landing them. Tall athletic multi faceted quarterbacks. He's landing 'em. Fast defensive backs. He's landing 'em. Tall huge fast killer D ends. He's landing 'em. A powerful brute of a fullback. Landed at buffalo, brought him here. The only thing we're missing right now is 2 or 3 years of seasoning, growth & more excellent recruiting from Gill & his staff. Obviously we are missing the 3,4 & 5 star D linemen.

As fans we need to keep an eye on that & campaign Gill in person or with letters as much as possible. Surely he is quite aware of the situation with the thin number of troops (& young at that) available for competion right now on the D line.

This man deserves all five years, & that's just for starters. We've never had a real recruiter until Gill.

Jayhawk nation needs to lean back & be patient. Enjoy the games. We're not gonna win 'em all in the next couple years, but did any of us really expect a miracle this soon? Did any of us really expect the offense to look this good, this fast?

This program is being built from the ground up, on a very firm foundation.

However, one glaring recruiting hole remains... We need big fast D linemen who can eat a quarterback for a snack!!!!!!

Coach Gill will bring us to the promised land...

Just enjoy the rebuilding process as it occurs. We will be one big fast bully in a few years & we might find ourselves looking back at "certain fans' comments" about halftime adjustments, etc.

Certainly those halftime adjustments aren't perfect right now. But guess what, prostate cancer isn't perfect either.

We severely lack numbers, & experienced numbers on defense.

That's the issue.

No Jayhawk nation, the true bluebloods, need to see the bigger picture with this rebuild.

This is not some rebuild to go 3-9 every year.

We are gonna be big. And fast. And deep.

And have the heart of a champion for the next 2 decades.

But first, we need more than a few sophomores & freshmen manning the forts....

Rock Chalk True bluebloods!

Jeff Coffman 4 years ago

What is well said about this?

When you have an unfortunate thing happen with your Defensive Coordinator, you don't give a 1-year Linebackers coach the go get a DC especially when you are not a Defensive minded coach.

Go hire a DC, why doesn't anybody get that this has been the biggest mistake of HCTG tenure.

I realize that we are stuck with tG, but we need some help on defense, we need it now and HCTG needed (and still needs) to go get a DC, and don't tell me there aren't any available. Shoot, I would imagine that someone would come in for some consulting just to help.

boknowssports 4 years ago

It will be interesting to see how our offense does when we play some tough B-12 defenses...Mizzou, K-State, Oklahoma, Texas. If we hang 25 on those folks, okay I think we have something. Conversely, it will be interesting to see how our defense does against Baylor, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Oklahoma....this could get ugly....

Scott Oswalt 4 years ago

We might "surprise" Iowa State. That's about it....

Scott Oswalt 4 years ago

I know :S

That's why I said "might"

Not looking good...

texashawk10 4 years ago

Perfect example of this would be with Lew and Mangino after the 2006 season. KU clearly had the potential to be very good, but Mangino wasn't getting the job done and Perkins wanted to fire Mangino after that season and probably would've been justified in doing so because Mangino was 25-35 overall and 11-26 in conference games. Perkins was talked into giving Mangino one more year and Mangino was able to deliver the Orange Bowl season, but was unable to build on that season and Perkins used the practice stuff as an excuse to try and fire Mangino with cause so he wouldn't have to pay Mangino anything. Mangino was going to be fired after 2009 regardless of the off-field situation because he wasn't able to win the close games he was in on a consistent basis.

100 4 years ago

Interestingly this investigation by Perkins is what KSU fans are still ticked off about. Not only because it was one of Synder's boys.

But because they were hoping to snatch Mangino from KU after Prince failed. In a few of their minds, this move by Perkins was a double edged sword, partially a chess move to keep KSU from hiring Mangino later.

Rock Chalk

rob4lb 4 years ago

Whether anyone likes it or not, I see Gill staying at least through next season. In watching the game, I don't think enough is being said about the mistakes. Granted, after taking a 20-0 lead, Tech outscored KU 41-7, but it shouldn't have been that bad. The turnovers were costly. I had a great seat and Jordan Webb constantly threw into double coverage. I go the impression the offense's confidence was shaken after the quick start.

The offense stalled several times in the second half. It was a warm day and the defense had to be gassed. Tech wisely went into a hurry up offense. We missed a field goal which had we made it, would have cut the margin to a one possession game. Offfensively, I would have liked to see more safer plays like outlet passes to the backs and see if they could use their quickness to get a big gain.

boknowssports 4 years ago

keep in mind Tech went penalty crazy this game. all of those penalties kept this game much closer than the final score. I just think we all need to see how we do in B-12 play. It could get better, but it could get alot worse...

Andy Tweedy 4 years ago

Oh, one more thing! Does everybody hate those uniforms? I kind of like them. I wouldn't want to wear them very often, but for a throwback I thought they were kind of cool! I remember the Kerwin Bell teams of the early '80s wearing powder blue, too.

100 4 years ago

Exactly. It was just a throwback. Kind of cool for one game to honor the Bluebonnet winners as long as the red outlines the numbers.

Most of the bigtime programs are doing this & it is a huge recruiting tool. We've done something like this for the last three years it seems, even if it's just been a different helmet.

Jayhawk838 4 years ago

WE NEED NEAL BURCHAM!!!!! Not sure why we didn't go after this kid this summer. MVP of Elite11 camp and only has offers from Cinni and SMU. He is unreal and only a 3 star, a real sleeper.

741hawk 4 years ago

No. Those unis were powder blue or Carolina blue. The uniforms of the '61 team were Columbia Blue (more grey) and included Helmets, Jerseys and Pants.

Just a good example of the program right now. It was cheap not to do the whole uniform, and even then the athletic department couldn't even get the color correct. It was, I thought, an awful insult to a truly great team.

741hawk 4 years ago

Those unis on Sat. were powder blue or Carolina blue. The uniforms of the '61 team were Columbia Blue (more grey) and included Helmets, Jerseys and Pants.

Just a good example of the program right now. It was cheap not to do the whole uniform, and even then the athletic department couldn't even get the color correct. It was, I thought, an awful insult to a truly great Jayhawk team.

TwistedFish31 4 years ago

What is disturbing wasn't the unis or even the come from behind victory by tech. It is Gill's constant pampering of his players and his coaches. Mangino would have ripped his DC a new one and would have been chewing some players buttts! And the wimpier of the KU fans will say "Yeah but he was a big fat meanie!". I watch other Division 1 coaches out there and they are up in their players grills and they respond. We, unfortunately, have a good man as a coach, but not a good coach.

KSseahawk 4 years ago

Wow..."I don't know if someone's gotta light a fire under us or what." Guess I thought that's what TGill was paid $2MM per annum to do. Silly me...

esque 4 years ago

Vic Shealy is not, nor was he ever the linebacker's coach at KU, that title previously belonged to Carl Torbush. Shealy was and still is the cornerback's coach in addition to being named co-defensive coordinator. Per his bio, he previously held the title of Defensive Coordinator at UNLV as well as Air Force Academy. I wish some of you complainers would at least get your facts straight before launching your rants. You all complain about all of the same things every single week, without displaying any real knowledge of football in particular, building athletic teams in general.

All you who complain about mediocrity and how Gill is bringing the program down but refuse to look at the whole picture of Mangino's tenure are being especially disingenuous at best, flat out hypocritical at worst. How about trying patience, the other approach clearly isn't working for you.

Kirk 4 years ago

Were we patient with Mangino? Nah.

But anyway, the problem with Gill isn't that he's a bad coach. He's not an extraordinarily good one. Which is what KU truly needs at this point.

He's not "the next level" up from Mangino. He might not even be as good.

So anyway, yeah. More patience, more years, more enormous blowouts.

UNLV? Air Force? Yeah. Take a look at who's in this conference, and who's coaching them. A lot of people just don't understand how incredibly strong the competition is here.

kellerman411 4 years ago

I can't believe some of you fools still believe college football success has to do with coaching. Oh yeah, Saban and Stoops teach their kids better techniques which allow them to anihilate opposing teams...

Today's game is purely recruiting... PURELY

Turner Gill is THE best recruiter in the Big 12 North and nearly the best recruiter in the Big 12, you can take that to the bank. The man has credibility after what he has done playing and coaching in Nebraska. He also has modern connections in the league partially due to his time with the Packers. After last season and the general perception of KU football, the recruiting class he got this year is unbelievable.

The fact is, parents love him and the kids respect him. If KU can manage to stay in a major conference, Turner Gill will have us in a BCS bowl game by year 5. You can take that to the bank too.

We lucked out by landing Turner Gill. Soon you will all see.

boknowssports 4 years ago

well there is no Big 12 North. I hope he learns how to recruit defense players. So far....not so hot....

hey, he did not do too well in the Mac. why did they go downhill after the one winning season? his recruiting skills fall off?

I'm with Kirk above, Gill needs more non-BCS experience. He is not ready for a BCS conference. 5 years???? sheesh, I sure hope he is not here that long. at 3-9 per year we will be 15-45.....yikes!

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