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Sunday, November 20, 2011

KU football notebook: Jordan Webb knocked around in Jayhawks’ loss

Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb is helped off the field after a big hit by the Texas A&M defense Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb is helped off the field after a big hit by the Texas A&M defense Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

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Kansas coach Turner Gill talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 61-7 loss to Texas A&M; on Nov. 19, 2011.

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KU coach Turner Gill opening statement after 61-7 loss to Texas A&M

KU coach Turner Gill gives an opening statement following the Jayhawks' 61-7 loss to Texas A&M on Nov. 19, 2011.

— Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb was briefly removed from the game late in the first quarter of Saturday’s 61-7 loss to Texas A&M; after taking a hit in the back from Texas A&M; cornerback Lionel Smith.

“Knocked the wind out of me a little bit,” Webb said, “but nothing major.”

Webb was helped off the field by trainers, and Quinn Mecham replaced him for one play — an incomplete pass.

Webb returned as KU’s quarterback on the Jayhawks’ next drive in the second quarter.

“I was hurting a little bit, but I definitely wasn’t going to take myself out of the game,” Webb said. “I came back and tried to fight.”

The sophomore QB took plenty of hits Saturday. Webb was sacked six times — the most surrendered by KU’s offensive line all season.

“A lot of it was just those blitzes they bring,” Webb said. “They brought a lot of confusing stuff, and they just had us outmanned on some of the stuff. We kept playing, though, and that’s all you can ask for.”

Jeremiah Hatch leaves game

Kansas center Jeremiah Hatch left the game in the second quarter and did not return. He was questionable coming into the game with a leg injury.

“He’s a tough guy, and when we were down like that, it wasn’t worth him getting any more injured,” Webb said. “He was trying his hardest to stay in, but they (coaches) didn’t want anything bad to happen to him.”

With Hatch out, sophomore Gavin Howard entered the lineup at left tackle, while Trevor Marrongelli moved from left guard to center and Jeff Spikes moved from left tackle to left guard.

Tyler Patmon, D.J. Beshears punished

Kansas cornerback Tyler Patmon was suspended one game and did not travel with the team to College Station after violating a team rule this week.

KU receiver D.J. Beshears also did not start and was held out of the first quarter for violating team rules.

Tim Biere out

Kansas tight end Tim Biere dressed but did not play in KU’s loss to Texas A&M; because of an ankle injury.

This and That ...

Dexter Linton recorded his first start for KU, subbing in for Patmon at nickel back. ... KU running back James Sims’ 88-yard rushing game was his highest total since running for 110 yards against Northern Illinois in Week 2. ... KU wide receiver Christian Matthews’ four catches and 39 yards receiving were both career highs. He now has a reception in five straight games. ... KU linebacker Darius Willis’ 10 tackles matched a season high for him. ... KU allowed a safety after an errant snap on a punt, marking the second time this season the Jayhawks had allowed a safety. ... Dustin Harris’ 72-yard punt return for a touchdown was the first surrendered by KU since 2008 (FIU). ... Temperature at kickoff was 79 degrees under partly cloudy skies with wind gusts of 19 miles per hour from the south.

Comments

Layne Pierce 8 years, 6 months ago

What do you say when you have the worst team in college football. We are certainly one of the bottom 5. I am one who really wants to give Turner 1 more year, but this team sadly has not done anything to keep the man they say they all love on board. At the very least TG would need to clean house with assistants, and go back to basics.

This team should not go to the line of scrimmage as fast as possible, this team should be trying to run down the clock, to keep the score down and give the defense a little time to collect itself, before going back for another pummeling.

We should run the ball three fourths of the time, and sometimes just punt on 3rd down. Play field position.

All of our defensive lineman, anybody who wears a jersey should be playing some, because none of them are worth a damn. And maybe some one is there undiscovered, and at least no one will be to tired.

The same goes for qb. I have not seen any great improvement in Mr. Webb. Maybe he tried too hard, but he is no threat and teams no it.

The fact is that fate planned that we would win 2 more games this year, Iowa St and Baylor were there for the taking, and TG and the boys would not take it. If we had won those 2 games, TG would be coming back next year, if TG could beat either K Suck or Missery then he would be back, and lastly, if honestly we say a well disciplined, fundamentally sound team that competed fiercely every time they go on the field, TG would be back. Alas, none of these things have come to pass, and so...

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 6 months ago

If by some miracle he is back next year, there would be two new coordinators. Clearly there are some available for defense and Chuck "third and" Long has lived up to his name. I love his Run Run Pass Punt system.

Andy Tweedy 8 years, 6 months ago

You may very well be right about some of this, but that defense can't possibly be tired. We're giving up points so fast, our defense is actually not on the field very long at all. We consistently win the time of possession battle, we just can't stop the other team from scoring!

jayhawker1978 8 years, 6 months ago

To your first point, I agree. The idea of firing a head coach after just 2 years, to many, will seem very premature, as most coaches (and "experts") say a program needs at least 3 years under a coach to tell if that coach is moving the program in the right direction. Also, it may potentially scare off potential coaching candidates in the future -- this job is arguably one of (if not THE) toughest in the Big 12, and setting a precedent of firing a coach after 2 years would certainly weigh on the mind of future applicants.

That being said, the idea of brining in new coordinators, or at least a new D coordinator, seems great at face value. But what caliber of coordinator would/could we possibly get? If, by some miracle, Gill keeps his job and hires a new coordinator, any candidate with any common sense would realize that he would only have 1 year to turn the D around, and I'm not sure any credible, high quality D coordinator would take a 1 year gamble on this job.

Randy Glenn 8 years, 6 months ago

We have tried different people at alot of the offensive backfield and receiver positions-all except QB. Dont understand why Mecham didn`t get any chances. He is no worldbeater but it wouldnt hurt to a least try him in all of these nailbiters we have had.

danmoore 8 years, 6 months ago

He must have a lot of faith in Webb and/or little faith in his backup. Given the lack of success I'm surprised he hasn't tried someone else. He pulled the plug on Pick after only one game.

phi4life940 8 years, 6 months ago

Jordan is actually a pretty good QB. Look at his numbers. The problem was clearly our offensive line. Jordan never had time to throw. We couldn't run the ball more than 3 yards...just bad. I'm not saying Mecham shouldn't have gotten a chance. I think our back-ups should be playing more in all of these blow-outs. I mean, our first stringers are getting blown out so why not give the other players some gametime.....

What a mess.

squawkhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

You can see the interest in KU football waning by the decline in the number of comments posted here. Everyone is fed up with HCTG and his inability to actually coach at the D1 level. Expectations that started out to be only so-so have dropped to the abyss. If Gill stays another year the expectation would once again be 2 or 3 wins. Four wins would be considered a very successful season...how sad is that?

phi4life940 8 years, 6 months ago

I have not been reading any articles about KU football for some time now. It's always the same taglines and substance. Just like Gill....a broken record. I think he could save face with me if he came out and said, "I'm a great guy and a great role model for life, but I guess I'm just not getting this coaching right." (obviously, not that exactly, but some real stuff).

If you're a bad doctor...you shouldn't be a doctor. If you're a bad lawyer...you shouldn't be a lawyer. If you're Turner Gill...you shouldn't be a football coach.

KU Football is dead to me until TG is gone....sad that this is what it's come down to.

Brennan Keller 8 years, 6 months ago

Im just sick of getting talked down on by mizzou and kstate in football. It makes me cringe to see how far this football program has fallen. I would be very upset if Gill returns after next season. The University of Kansas doesnt deserve this, the players definitely dont deserve this, the fans quit supporting, the athletic department loses $$, and all recruiting prospects are being "turned off" by this embarrassment of a team (the last 2 years). This is what needs to go down for next year.

First, fire Gill right after the loss against Mizzou next weekend. KU needs to start rebuilding this team as soon as possible.

Next, get rid of coordinators Chuck Long and Shealy. Long's "run, run, pass, punt" scheme is awful and predictable.

We then, hire Jim Leavitt as our defensive coordinator.

Finally, KU needs to put the last names back on the uniform, add the red stripe back on the helmets, find a new fieldgoal kicker, and see how we fare after that! :)

What do you think Jayhawk Nation?

Dirk Medema 8 years, 6 months ago

You lost me at the criticism pf last year's recruiting class. It was as good as or better than any we have ever had. Unfortunately, very few true freshmen ever contribute.

phi4life940 8 years, 6 months ago

I agree 100%.

Fire Gill, names on jersey's, make a big splash by hiring a well-known coach.

nuleafjhawk 8 years, 6 months ago

We've GOT a well known coach.

Well known for losing.

danmoore 8 years, 6 months ago

Hire a well-known coach?

Why didn't we hire a well-known coach two years ago?

minnhawk84 8 years, 6 months ago

Gill didn't drop the passes against Baylor to run out the clock, the receivers did. Long didn't call bad plays, the players didn't execute. Against ISU, the defensive line and backers could not stop the basic run on the last series and couldn't get the ball back. Gill probably should have gone on 4th down instead of punting, but until that point of the game, the KU defense had been playing way above their previous efforts. ISU blew out #2 OSU folks.

I will never fault a HC for going for two to win the game. Stoops thought about it against Baylor, but then an illegal procedure (movement) stymied that call. I was in physical pain when Baylor roared back in the 4th quarter for those 3 TDs, but I would imagine that the Sooner faithful "died" when Baylor did it to them in 55 seconds Saturday night.

Against the light of ISU beating OSU and Baylor beating OU, I think the Jayhawks showed great progress against those two teams over the past few weeks. I didn't see the results of that progress continued yesterday.

But KU isn't as far behind the rest of the Big XII as you would think...........

vd 8 years, 6 months ago

Gill didn't drop the passes, but he recruited and signed the guys that did. He didn't snap the ball over the punter's head, but he recruited the player that did. Gill didn't miss the FGs, but he recruited the kicker that did. I was a Gill supporter, until Baylor; when two of his recruits could have won the game, just by catching the FB. Also in that game, we would have won if the OC would have called a play action pass in the fourth qtr., rather then wait till the OT to do it.

Jeremy LeMaster 8 years, 6 months ago

I did not read more than half of your first paragraph and skimmed the rest. I couldn't stomach it. Unless it was purely a facetious post....

It ALL falls back to the coaches. Either they are not coaching well enough for their players to execute or they do not have enough talent on the roster. Other than at QB and DL I do not see our talent being at the level that should get embarrassed every week. I believe these coaches are not developing talent are are overwhelmed being in a position that the coaching dictates the outcome.

As for OSU.... They were distracted by the death of two members of the athletic department the night before. Remember our loss to Texas at home last year. This is not on that level but similar type of deal. It was classless of Iowa State and their fan base to have stormed the field etc. It was a sad deal to hear about that and my thoughts go out to them. It is minor but still unfortunate that it will cost OSU and the big 12 the chance at a NC.

phi4life940 8 years, 6 months ago

Don't for ONE second compare the OSU football loss to Iowa St. to our loss to Texas in basketball. They are in NO way similar. Do you think the OSU football team even knew the names of the women's basketball coaches!?!? NO! If it was Gundy who died and the players were up all night crying their hearts out about it...it might be similar.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful to OSU...it's a terrible loss and I can't believe that situation could happen twice, but to say the football team lost because they were distracted by it is INSANE! They lost because they were looking past Iowa St. and Iowa St. played great. Period. If you lose to an unranked team like Iowa St. you should not be in the National Championship game.

phi4life940 8 years, 6 months ago

Also, I don't see how it was classless for Iowa St. to rush the field. That was the biggest win in their program's history. Again, don't bring in the whole "OSU was grieving" comments.

Jayhawker111 8 years, 6 months ago

The definition of insanity.......Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a differnet result.....

Get Webb out of there and try anyone else....

Webb has not got it done and KU needs a new spark...

vd 8 years, 6 months ago

The problem with firing Gill is that he might have a great QB on the sidelines, with a redshirt on. We fire him, we will never know how good MC or BB are.

boknowssports 8 years, 6 months ago

keep Gill and you maybe get a 3-9 next year. but hey, that would be an improvement....

COJayhawker 8 years, 6 months ago

Hire Urban Meyer. Maybe he wants a project (KU) rather than a football machine (Ohio State). Throw all the money we can find at him. I mean everyone go home, empty your savings, shake out your kids piggy banks, whatever it takes.

I realize this is a pipe dream, but why do we always have to shop off the radar, shop potential, shop bargains for coaches? Go for the big fish while we can!! I love KU, but our football program is like the ugly girl at the dance. Maybe if we dim the lights and turn up the cash, Urban would look at us??

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