Wednesday, November 16, 2011

UK wins, but John Calipari not impressed

Kentucky head coach John Calipari rips into his players during the first half on Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2011 at Madison Square Garden in New York.

Kentucky head coach John Calipari rips into his players during the first half on Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2011 at Madison Square Garden in New York.


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— Kentucky guard Doron Lamb believed his team made a statement following the Wildcats’ 75-65 victory over Kansas on Tuesday night.

“We played a top team that was ranked and beat them today,” Lamb said. “I just wanted to let everybody know today that we were the best team in the country.”

After being tied at 28 in the first half, Kentucky opened the second half on an 11-2 run to take control.

Still, UK coach John Calipari wasn’t entirely pleased with his team’s performance.

“We don’t believe we have to truly play together yet,” Calipari said. “It’s not talent that wins — it’s good teams that win.”

The Kentucky coach said, especially in the first half, his players weren’t following plays, opting instead to do their own thing.

“Did they even look coached in the first half?” Calipari said. “I heard somebody yell behind me — and I don’t hear people — somebody yelled, ‘Geez, run a play! Coach, run something!’ I was ready to go, ‘You tell them. I’m trying to tell them, and they’re not listening to me.’ We are really young.”

In the first half, Kentucky had 12 turnovers and made 10 of 26 shots (39 percent).

“Didn’t it look like we were competing with each other in the first half? ‘I’m getting mine. He’s getting his. Oh, you didn’t get it?’” Calipari said. “You cannot compete within your team. You complete each other. So we’ve got a ways to go.”

The coach also wasn’t happy with some of his team’s emotional outbursts in the second half.

“The only problem is you have to do that to each other, not to the opponent,” Calipari said. “You want to talk, but you talk to your team. And I had to grab a couple of the guys.

“Again, they’re young. They don’t know better. They think they’re in Orlando, and they’ve got another game tomorrow morning and another one tomorrow afternoon.”

Even with all the criticisms of his team, Calipari said he was proud of his players.

“They had a will to win,” Calipari said. “That’s what I wanted to see. That’s the hardest thing to teach in what we do — a will to win.”


southwindjay 2 years, 5 months ago

T Rob has got to get used to being double and triple teamed, Taylor don't revert back to well you know, Conner know your role, Tharpe looked a little like a deer in the head lights (somewhat expected) and have we forgot how to run an offense? 9 assist really?

We have a lot to work on but I think we can play well if everyone stays focused and works actually applies what coach tells them.

Remember NC was in the NIT a couple of years ago, Duke finished 9th in the ACC a few years ago and Kentucky was missing in action for several years. It will turn.


gulchhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

When will Coach C mess up again? A leopard never loses his spots....only a matter of time and the NCAA will come down on him thing is for sure..program sales are at their highest for UK basketball.....


REHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

slayr, I wondered, too, about Kevin Young's getting so little playing time. Perhaps he got in the doghouse with the coaching staff this week?


bennybob 2 years, 5 months ago

I think i found a subject all of us (UK and KU fans) can agree on:

At the beginning of the game last night ESPN put up a graphic showing ONLY KU's and UK's all time wins JUST THOSE TWO SCHOOLs and the comment was made that the two schools playing tongiht were the two winningest of all time.

what was Dickie V's only response to that graphic and comment?

That DUKE and UNC were 3rd and 4th all time!!!!!!!

WTF!!!!! your about to watch a game between numbers 1 &2 in wins and ESPN went out off there way to give the annoucers a minute to comment on that fact and the only thing Dickie V can do is talk about who's numbers 3 and 4?

i've never been a fan of that guy but when i saw that last night my dislike became a hatred.


Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 5 months ago

Pretty unimpressive showing from the #2 team actually... I personally wouldnt brag to anyone about it.


Ben Kliewer 2 years, 5 months ago

I just wanted to say that I love Coach Self.


Chad Hallack 2 years, 5 months ago

Jesse not Jason - my bad... the dumpster's out back.


Chad Hallack 2 years, 5 months ago


Nobody here cares what Calipari thinks... Take out the trash.


jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

"On John Calipari"

~First we owe him one for not blowing us out.

~Next, how does Cal land all of these guys, when Roy, Coach Consonants, Izzo, Donovan, Matta, and Self cannot?

~Cal hasn't won a ring as Self and Slick Rick have.

~Cal hasn't won two rings as Donovan and Roy and Calhoun have.

~Cal hasn't won four rings as Coach Cheap Shots has.

~Cal has never been considered one of the top bench coaches in the game.

~Cal has not won a ton of games like Coach Cheap Shots has.

~Cal has not been free of forfeits as these other coaches have.

~The other coaches have not had clouds of investigations hanging over them repeatedly, as Cal has.

How does Cal do it?

It seems unrelated to mousse. Last night I noticed he has lost the mousse.

It seems unrelated to Larry Brown. Self is just as close to Larry as Cal is.

Its seems unrelated to school, or size of arena. Cal had the same kind of success recruiting at Memphis that he is having at UK.

What is it?

It seems unrelated to amount of media hype. Coach K gets more media hype that Cal does.

So: how does Cal do it?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I could understand this if Cal were getting a few more of the 5stars than Roy, Consonants, Izzo, Matta, Donovan and so on.

But Cal gets way more of the 5stars and he gets way more every year.

Can a man have such a magnetic personality that he can beat all of these great coaches for the best players every year?

The only other coach I can think of that has ever held this kind of an edge in recruiting talent for this length of time is John Wooden.

When John Wooden began to land all of the best talent all of the time, inquiring minds eventually dug up Sam Gilbert as a significant driver of Wooden's recruiting success.

Could there be someone like that in Cal's background?

I wonder.


dipperjones 2 years, 5 months ago

I have a love-hate relationship w Bill Self's high-low, Gene Iba, Okie-baller approach. Calipari runs a dribble-drive, playground offense that gives players the opportunity to showcase their individual skills. They go to Kentucky, or Memphis, or wherever the hell else Calipari ends up next after he gets in trouble for recruiting violations and being an all-around slimeball because the NBA makes 'em go to college for a year. These thugs don't care about Kentucky and their legacy, they're there because they have to be and Calipari takes the leash off of his pups. You cannot sustain a TEAM like that, but you better keep getting the top recruits.

Self, on the other hand, is a stubborn disciplinarian who tells recruits you're gonna run the high-low offense, go through boot camp, rebound and play defense or I'll sit your butt on the bench. Most of the OADs say "no thank you". I hate the NBA's rule! W social media and shoe companies and handlers and everybody else that wants to take advantage of young kids and profit off of their athletic talent, let 'em go to the NBA. These kids don't wanna go to school and graduate, they wanna cash in. College athletics is "amateur" in name only. It's big business, period! Let the playground jackwagons go straight to the NBA and give me the kid(s) that wanna be part of a TEAM and a school for four years. How Calipari has never beaten Self until last night under the current college atmosphere is baffling and a credit to Self's coaching acumen.

If I see one more high school hard-ass, a la Terrence Jones, call a presser attended and covered by National Media, whereby said high school "amateur" places 5 or 6 hats on a table, pretends to pick one (Kansas) and instead picks Washington, and then takes a cell phone call from John Calipari while the cameras are still rolling and later changes his commitment to Kentucky, I'm gonna vomit and kick somebody's cat.


texashawk10 2 years, 5 months ago

Both teams played like crap last plain and simple as did Duke and MSU. The difference in both games was UK and Duke played lights out to start the 2nd halves of each game. KU missed way too many bunnies and had they made a lot of those, they would've won pr it would've been a much closer score.


Mike Schell 2 years, 5 months ago

am i the only person that sees that big bushy eyebrow on davis lmao he needs to shave that thing off he look all pissed off when its there looking at everybody.. but iguess taht discribes kentsuckys players..... disgusting


jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

~Self is trying to move to having 2, or even three point guards in the game at a time and having them take turns running things each trip down the floor; that won't work. Junk it. The problem last night is that TT and EJ had no idea how to play this game of two point guards. Neither one ever got in control of the game. And Naadir doesn't know how to be anything but a PG and so he has no clue how to share effectively.

~Self was moving in this direction down the stretch vs. UK. He said nothing works, we can't shoot for sheep dip, and you perimeter guys can't figure out what I'm trying to get you to do as a group, so simplify and let TT take it to the paint every time. Don't even screw with the bigs any more either. That's okay for five minutes in a desperate situation, but...its time to go back to a down the middle team offense with TT at point, and Withey coming off inside screens by TRob and a wing, while KY crashes the rim almost every time down the floor.

Its a two routine offense, each with a couple options. This keeps it simple for young players and uses what we have in roles they can be good at.

Routine 1: PG to wing who feeds Withey coming off an inside screen.

a. Withey who pops a 5-8 footer; or

b. Withey short alley ooops to a crashing KY who dunks ( he likes to dunk); or

c. Withey kicks to Conner for the trey.

Routine 2: Drive and dish either from out front, or from a wing.

Boom! Pick and roll? Fuggedabout it. High lo? Fuggedabout it.

One other possibility is Princeton for 35 seconds, but a rabbi converting to Islam is more likely than Self converting to the Princeton.


jaybate 2 years, 5 months ago

"Loss Distillate"

~TRob can't jump. Period. The knee injury wrecked the elasticity in the tendons and he won't get it back this season. He's like Kaun now. Big. Strong. Tough, But can't clear the floor. He is a natural rebounder, however, where Kaun was not. But still that was the lowest elevation on a dunk in recorded history. So: TRob has to be converted into a horizontal player for the rest of this season. Last season's TRob would have put on an aerial ballet over the UK softies. Not this season. This season's TRob has to become a garbage man power forward. Playing through him is no longer a feasible option, except against lesser talent.

~Withey is soft, but man is he mobile and man can he block and alter!!!! Withey is the future of the team offensively, while TRob transforms himself into either Charles Oakley/Maurice Lucas, or magically regains his hops with some injection of super ball rubber into his tendons. Playing through Withey on offense is going to be very dicey, because he is so soft, but the way to do it is to start him on one side of the lane and use both a wing and TRob to set screens for him as he comes across the lane. The game is to get him 5-8 foot looks; then have one or two perimeter players charge the rim that Withey can dish off too if he hasn't got a clear look. Basically, it is Withey shooting, or making short alley oops to wings going to the iron. Kevin Young could become the new secret weapon at the three. Travis could do this, too, but he has to find his game finally. But Withey coming off an inside screen, shooting a short floater, or alley oohing to Kevin crashing from a ring would be almost unstoppable. Any one that does stop it, then kick it out to EJ, or Conner, which ever one is in.

~Playing the kind of game I have just described with Withey, then allows Self to use TT, EJ, or Naadir, at the point. It doesn't matter which. Each guy brings a little something different.

~Further, playing this style of game would mean largely junking the three guard offense. Instead, you would play Conner, EJ and Travis at the 2 quite a bit, and KY and Travis at the 3.

~You have one point guard in the game. One guy who initiates everything. Rotate TT, EJ and Naadir at the point and kept them as fresh as possible all the time.


jhwkfan162515 2 years, 5 months ago

Why is Tyshawn Taylor still wearing a Kansas uniform?


Ralster Jayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Congrats to Kentucky for the win. If KU had won, it would have been a minor upset considering the talent KY has, and KU returning only 1 starter (Tyshawn). My feeling that our top 5 can play with anybody is largely confirmed, but to make up for a tall opponent you need quick, crisp passing, not lazy--and receivers need to meet the pass. Sloppy play. No margin for error vs. a top athletic team, although Withey swatted enough to give us a chance to stay in it. And you cannot let a 3pt shooter get looks like Lamb did. He isnt known as a hard slasher, so guard his strongest skill, jeez.

Selfball 101 is defend and take care of the ball. We did neither very well right after halftime. This game was a roller coaster. When we ran our sets and executed, we did well. When we got a passer in the air with only 1 option, it got picked off--as any athletic opponent would do.

Every KU player got their shot swatted, but that is more a testament to the KY length and athleticism, which is a r-a-r-e collection.

Great teaching game. Especially to compare the positive plays with the negative plays in the same game. Night/day difference. Should have been up by 6 at the half-->then come out with "poise"(maybe too soon in season for that yet?). Young's missed dunk, and Relefords under the rim were painful misses...but hey, thats how it goes.

Felt bad for Tyshawn, as he is better than what he showed the first half. But he + EJ needed a short time to get to speed--this game should pretty much have done that. We need big, big things out of these two+Releford.

Me personally, I did appreciate Calipari's comments live and above. They got the win because we let a talented group get themselves going (by giving them confidence plays (swats) and giving them highlight plays (steals leading to transition). They have 2 frosh also--who pretty much played like frosh (so did Tharpe). We arent where we will be in a few more games.

This is the non-conf schedule everbody wants us to have--baptism by fire. I really like the strength of this non-conf. sched.

Keep working, get better.


Michael Maris 2 years, 5 months ago

Kentucky did what they needed to do to win the game. But, the fact that they have as many players as they do constantly going around and thumping their chest and acting as such is uncalled for.

Morris Twins had that behavior in their early days at Kansas. But, the coaching staff at Kansas had to work on showing the Morris Twins that their thuggerish behavior was uncalled for and not acceptable.

Had T. Jones chose to attend Kansas, I'm sure that Mr. Jones attitude would be addressed accordingly as well by the KU Coaching Staff. Last night game was a game to let the team know what they needed to improve on for future games against the high caliber basketball teams that KU will be facing in the near and distant future.

What I did see is that KU is not atheletic enough at the 3 spot (with Teahan and Releford) to compete with more athletic teams as Kentucky. If Kansas is not hitting their 3's, it is going to be a long night for KU (hasn't that been a thorn in the side of the KU team over the past few years?).

J. Wesley is a very nice surprise. He looks to be a good role player for KU. Looks to be a plus defender and rebounder and will get his minutes. This season will not see KU getting to 30 wins. But nonetheless, it will be a winning season.


RockCaCO3 2 years, 5 months ago

OK, Calipari's picture has been up long enough. Time to switch it.


Tony Bandle 2 years, 5 months ago

PS Next year, when you play Missouri, please beat the living snot out of them. Thanks.


Tony Bandle 2 years, 5 months ago

UK Skywalker, UKALLDAY and any other Wildcat posters on this site. Congratulations, you deserved to win. Your team is uber-talented and will be a force.

You have the good fortune of having two outstanding players [Jones and Lamb] return while Kansas has the misfortune two outstanding players [the Morris twins] leave.

I will not stoop to some of the childish name calling and manhood measuring comments posted above from both sides. Hopefully we will see you one more Indianapolis in March.

PS if you see Ashley, please tell her that "Someone Like You" is one of my favorite movies...especially her cheerleading in her underwear scene!! :}


RockChalkGuy 2 years, 5 months ago

Credit to Kentucky...they have a ton of talent and will probably be able to bulldoze most of the competition with it. Credit to Kansas, they have Class and that will last a lifetime.

I'm disappointed in the second half. Letting UK bolt to a 10 point lead at the start of the second half was probably the main factor in the loss. We should have shown much more poise and been able to fight back. This is the kind of loss that we've been lacking the last several years. Now it's up to HCBS to capitalize on it and make our team battle tested for April.


William Blake 2 years, 5 months ago

What I would like to know is... why didn't Kevin Young get real minutes?

He was MVP from our last game, and for the few seconds he was in, he made things happen.


Kc Ticketguy 2 years, 5 months ago

I was really not that impressed with either team. Kentucky did play some pretty solid defense or at least did get hands infront of the shooter, altered a few shots. Kansas really didn't hit many shots that were wide open. I would not say that it was a awesome win for Kentucky.

I know the kids are young but..I didn't understand the flexing and chest beating when Kentucky made a totally normal shot. Trob is just a specimen but you don't see him standing around flexing after every shot he makes.

Bill Self will allow the occasional celebration, but last night was hilarious as far as the "look at me I did something good," attitude from Kentucky.

That being said its the second game of the season. Its not like they beat us by 30. Congrats to Kentucky on the win.


William Blake 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm going to buy a nice bottle of champagne. And I'm going to open it when Kentucky and Calipari receive the death sentence. I better keep it cold now.


Jordan Young 2 years, 5 months ago

UK you guys played a team that had 2 walkons (now on scholarship) that played about 20 mins plus each and only beat um by ten. You're talent is impressive there is no doubt about that but Self if by far a better coach for coping with what he has. We've proven it we don't need lottery picks to win.


REHawk 2 years, 5 months ago

No doubt about it, T. Jones is a very talented and strong willed player who should find a quick niche in an NBA jersey. His confrontational attitude would not have set well with my image of an amateur competitor representing Kansas in a Jayhawk uniform. From the signing day cap incident to his subsequent 24 hour commitment switch to his ugly mugging disposition on the court, the guy is not a class act. Ugly role model image for youngsters who yearn to play bigtime ball. He should be highly successful as a professional athlete, but soils the image of amateur sport. Losing any contest is tough to swallow, but losing to a guy like that is truly bitter vetch.


Kyle Rohde 2 years, 5 months ago

In the comments after the game, Calipari changed my opinion of him a bit - if he's being that open in public about the selfish, AAU-esque play of his team, I'm betting he's ripping them a new one in practice.

Yes, he's got a shady history but you don't need to do anything shady to get guys to play for Kentucky. My fellow Jayhawks, all the hate you're sending his way now is mostly because we think KU should be getting the same level of recruits and we can't figure out why Self is having such a hard time doing it.


UKSkywalker 2 years, 5 months ago

Yes "Rock Chalk, Jayhawk " fans, Nobody was belting out that silly chant last nite in venerable MSG. Actually UK shoulda won by at least 20..... So yeah,I'm trolling on here., I know, u'll hate it but, just returning the favor from some of u punks from awhile ago on our site...#Sweet Revenge..


Steve Brown 2 years, 5 months ago

I miss Coach Wooden philosphy good play doesn't need showboating.

One fine FB coach shared when you get in the end zone act like you have been there before.

UK is loaded, hats off to CCal for recruiting talent, like to see them play in March and see if they have grown up, not expecting it.


TheGiftedOne 2 years, 5 months ago

Talent, talent, talent that has never won a title for coach Cal. F*** off they don't crown champions in November.


UKALLDay 2 years, 5 months ago

Wow KU.....Can we get a little bit of credit for the win, second half adjustments or good (not great) play from a young team. I understand this is a KU site and this is where you come to vent but does this mean there can be no balance. The first half KU outplayed UK not doubt about it but the score was tied at the half. Teague turned it over like girls in the red light district in the first half (which UK will only go as far as he takes us). The second half different story...too much talent, too big, too fast. For those that say well you were supposed to win....that's not what I heard yesterday. As for the win being by only 10, if you watched the game we slowed it down with 3 minutes left when we were up 17 and you guys got some garbage time points with our bench in the game. You have senior point guard against a guy that was playing in high school last year. You have veterans all in every position over UK but what you don't have is NBA quality talent (with the exception of Robinson). This will come back and bite you this season. As for the game it not like you guys were playing like nuns out there i.e. Thomas foul and stepping over Jones and the flagrant foul in the first half. You could play that game 100 times and UK wins 99 because of the talent and if you don't like the 3 goggles after makes or the flexing after dunks then you hate the NBA because that's where it comes from.....and if you really don't like it then just stop them from doing it...period. KU will have a good team this year just not elite Baylor has a lot of talent and length and will give you guys fits this year (not a Baylor fan just my opinion). If you guys don't get Shabazz Mohammed this year it doesn't get any better anytime soon. The new NBA collective bargaining agreement (whenever it is agreed to) will have a 20 year age limit so all you folks that say Coach Cal can't win with freshman will see them again the next year. Talent, Talent, Talent we have you don't...not a criticism just a fact.


TheGiftedOne 2 years, 5 months ago

Kentucky gained a lot of haters last night for sure. I wasn't too impressed with the team outside of Lamb and Davis. Jones got a few lucky rolls and whistles... still wayyy too cocky. They beat a much less talented team that had a bad night. They will struggle against teams that can shoot like all teams do.


Jayhawks Rock 2 years, 5 months ago

I thought Kensucky looked pretty good. Yes, they are young, but I was impressed, especially down low. They altered a lot of what we tried to put up in close. I was also impressed with our team, who are also inexperienced. We had a little bad luck (Releford tripped twice in the first half resulting in Kensucky balls, as well as bounces going their way most of the game) but thats what happens. Robinson is a beast and Jeff looked good too. Tyshawn ended up doing all right and Elijah has great promise. I thought Wesley did a great job defending. When Young came in at the end, he had the missed dunk, but otherwise showed promise. We should have had a 10 point lead in the first half. I am excited as we go forward. This should be a good season for us (as always).


jhawkrulz 2 years, 5 months ago

I thought KU actually played good, rough in the first half. The first 5 mins of the second half we didn't make some adjustments and they got the lead. UK coasted from there. I personally, thought that TT figured out some things in the second half and was finally putting their team in foul trouble. TRob I thought got frustrated and it started to show, and he didn't pass out of triple teams. I thought TReleford struggled at times. All in all it would have been monstrous win for us, but I don't think anyone left that game saying KU couldn't hang with the best. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't even drop in the polls. Right now we are in that 10-15 range where we belong. We have a lot of growing up to do this year and we knew it. More than any other year recently, we need the non-conference to build us up for conference play.

I think Withey had a quietly solid game, and I really think he was the key to some of the UK frustration in the first half.


ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

Has Teague ever made a basket before? Because the way he celebrated after every bucket made it look like he's never scored before. And why did that one guy have pullens beard on his eyebrows?


RockCaCO3 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm not a big Vitale fan, but I could tell he wasn't impressed with some of the actions of the UK players ("Just play the game, that's not necessary."), actions which their recruiter (aka coach), allows.


kusayzone 2 years, 5 months ago

They only have 6 players.....that will be Kentucky's downfall


Cameron Schienebeck 2 years, 5 months ago

Do they need to flex after every hoop, rebound, block, drink of Gatorade....

Kentucky motto: You don't need class to play at Kentucky.

Take that how you want to.


Brianna Zaleski 2 years, 5 months ago

His team acted like a bunch of punks. And he allows it to happen. Teague is a punk. How he could be talking trash when he had about 10 TO's is just funny to me. But Cal keeps him out there. Jones is the biggest punk of all. I'm so glad he is not on our team. What a classless moron. If he pulled that crap on our team he would be riding behind the bench w/ Ben Mc and Jamari. He's talented, yes, but his attitude would keep him out of so many mins on our team. Davis on the other hand, wow! That kid is special. I'd take him in a second... But Kleave is right, this is what you get when you recruit thugs, you get thuggish behavior


Ben Kliewer 2 years, 5 months ago

But Coach Cal...that's what you recruited... You're complaining because you got what you asked for?


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