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Monday, November 14, 2011

KU football players stand up for coach

Kansas head coach Turner Gill pleads for an interference call against Baylor after a pass to KU receiver JaCorey Shepherd during KU's last drive of regulation Saturday, Nov. 12, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

Kansas head coach Turner Gill pleads for an interference call against Baylor after a pass to KU receiver JaCorey Shepherd during KU's last drive of regulation Saturday, Nov. 12, 2011 at Kivisto Field.

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With the losses mounting and the embarrassment escalating, even Kansas University football players are starting to realize that coach Turner Gill’s future at KU may be in jeopardy.

Instead of getting angry about it, as many have done during the past few weeks, several players have shifted gears and begun lobbying for their leader.

“We’re fighting so hard for him and for what people say about him and his job security,” senior linebacker Steven Johnson said after Saturday’s 31-30, overtime loss to Baylor. “I really think he should stay here for a long time. He’s a good coach, and we’re just on the brink. We’re fighting. We’re fighting. We’re close, and as soon as we get that win, I’m pretty sure everything’s gonna turn around.”

Asked Sunday night if he appreciated his players going to bat for him, Gill deflected the spotlight from himself.

“It’s not about me,” Gill said. “It’s really about them. It’s about our program. However they want to do things to continue to have them work hard for our football program.”

Gill, who arrived at KU in December of 2009 with a 20-30 record in four seasons at the University at Buffalo, has won just five times at Kansas in nearly half as many tries. Only one of those victories — last year’s wild 52-45, comeback victory against Colorado — came in Big 12 Conference play, and 14 of the 17 losses have been to league foes.

While so many of Gill’s losses have been blowouts, there have been a few like Saturday’s, of which KU had complete control for three quarters, only to watch it fall apart in the fourth quarter and overtime.

The Jayhawks continue to praise Gill’s approach.

“Coach Gill is very consistent, and he’s a great coach,” senior lineman Jeff Spikes said. “He coaches that you gotta come out and work every day, regardless of what the situation is. Regardless of what happens, you gotta keep your head up.”

Although Gill has struggled to instill a winning attitude in this team, he has succeeded in getting his players to follow his popular “Believe” mission statement. Week after week, blowout after blowout, the Jayhawks have bounced back with a positivity. Still, several Jayhawks said they couldn’t help but think about what will become of the coach who taught them to do that.

“It’s on our minds a little bit,” Johnson said. “We try not to worry about it, but, at the same time, it’s difficult going through a coaching transition because we’ve created friendships and bonds with all these coaches, and when we never win, it’s hard. And in games like this, where we should’ve had a win, that’s even more difficult. It just hurts. But I just hope that we continue to give coach Gill a shot because he’s a good coach, and I’m pretty sure this program will turn around.”

Added Spikes: “Our job is not done. We will not lay down and give up or quit. We won’t. Regardless of losses or records or how much we score or don’t score, we’re gonna come back every day. And that’s all you can ask for.”

Comments

Theonlythingthatexceedsyourbad 2 years, 5 months ago

First post here ever.

Leach for head coach, anything else is a failure. His system would thrive here, but it would struggle at Ole Miss against an SEC culture that is defense dominated. Not to mention that Ole Miss doesn't fit his Texas recruiting mold. If KU hasn't offered him the job for more money than he's currently giving Gill, plus incentives, then SZ should be fired. If they have done that then SZ is a mastermind. I have a feeling that Gill won't coach the last game this year.

Gill is incompetent. Besides a little gesturing for an obvious pass interference last week Gill usually just stands silently on the sidelines with hands folded wiggling his microphone. He is worthless for a head coach. Two close loses are considered getting better. He's never been successful. In the MAC at Buffalo his highest win total in one season was. . . .8. They went 8-6. His other three seasons he was 12-24. His last season at Buffalo they went 5-7. This farce from Lew needs to be ended immediately. What a joke. Believe, what a joke. That sounds like a Royals slogan.

If, miraculously, he keeps his job, I in turn will have to switch to the calling for SZ's job because he will have failed his job worse than Gills. Gill must be gone before December, or SN has failed the University and our town at large. I give SN until December to hire Leach or he has failed completely. *will settle for Tressel, but anything else would be utter failure at doing the job of improving Kansas Athletics. NW coach would be a dissapointment

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jhawkinmissouri 2 years, 5 months ago

For all of you on the replacement "bandwagon" - We won't get a "quality coach" or a "proven winner" to come to KU unless our administration proves they will give a coach time to recruit and develop the players to fit his program. If we fire Coach Gill after just 2 seasons, no one in their right mind would accept a football coaching job for the Jayhawks!

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Calijhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

The "Torbush Situation" wasn't some 'unfortunate' small deal. It is the football equivalent to a major corporation losing a CFO who leaves the building with all the bank account numbers. You not only lose a DC, you also lose a full-time DB coach, and Vic Shealy IS a well-respected DB coach within the profession. In essence, you have to start all over...again. Defense is combination of recognition, reaction, and discipline. It takes repetition in a specific system to do all three well. Talented freshmen can play in a system as long as there are upperclassmen to help correct any mistakes. But here, the juniors and seniors themselves are in learning mode...again. Opposing OC's are not stupid...they know where these breakdowns are likely to occur, and scheme their looks accordingly. Shealy is simply in a position of having to teach after-the-fact. A top notch DC may be able to do this, but Shealy obviously isn't one of these, and has never pretended to be.

A similar situation occurred when KU lost Bill Young to Miami, and promoted Clint Bowen. I like Clint, but he was not quite ready to be a D-1 DC, and the defense dropped off noticeably that year, even though it was the same system, and more than half the starters had been in it for two years.

Understand that this is a GOOD staff. All are well respected within the coaching profession. Fans simply don't understand that it wasn't simply losing Torbush...it was the TIMING that was the backbreaker. Let's finish the year, spend the money to hire a top notch DC, so recruits can see that we have addressed the problem. THEN if we don't see improvement, I will be the first to get on the change bandwagon. Until then...hire a DC and stay the course.

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bville_hawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Can any of you speak with the authority of Calijayhawk above? Maybe we ought to preface our remarks with something like: "I played flag football at my fraternity so I feel qualified to say..." or "My dad coached 8th grade football so I feel qualified to say..."

Calijayhawk, it was nice to read an intelligent and knowledgeable post. Thank you.

I've seen on here a couple times that we only have 15 scholarships to give for next year. What's up with that?

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

say what you want about his recruiting, some have already de-committed because of what they have seen this year. this program is losing by larger margins this year than last. we were 3-9 last year, staring at a 2-10 this year. How many kids think they will end up in a bowl game some day if they come to Coach Gill? Say what you want about Mangino, but he got us to some bowls and gave us fans something to look forward too. I can't see Gill going any better than 3-9 next year if he stays. A team takes on the persona of its coach. Ours is soft and it shows on game day.

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just_a_fan 2 years, 5 months ago

Let's see, fire one of the best recruiters in college football (Look at the national championships teams at Nebraska during the 1990's, who do you think was their number-one recruiter?) and pay off all the contracts, for what? The long line of coaches just waiting to take over the KU football program. Great idea, go for it! While you're at it, take a look at KU's roster and notice the number or freshman and sophmores that are contributing.

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Mike Anderson 2 years, 5 months ago

The KU fan base needs to lighten up and get a dose of reality. Somewhere along the line KU believes because they won the Orange Bowl they are a gift to football. But what they don't do is actually go and look at what they have.

The last two recruiting classes for Mangino are the current juniors and seniors. In 2008 he landed 21 and in 2009 27 - total of 48. In those years he landed four players rated with 4 stars on Rivals and Scout. The majority of them were 2 stars and a good number of 3 stars. After winning the Orange Bowl Manging failed to rebuild the team. He should have easily landed 8 to 10 players @ the 4 star level who should be playing today. Out of the four players with 4 stars I believe only one is still playing - a lineman out of McPherson who was recruited as a TE. Based on a count I came up with 18 players who were recruited and are listed on Rivals and Scout. Of those 12 are two star players.

Here is the kicker - people actually believe Gill should be competing against the likes of OU, OSU, TX, GTech, Baylor whose players were all considered better back then than what KU could recruit - after winning the bowl game. You say "we should be improving". Who is going to improve more - the 15 players on OU's team who are "4 star" quality or are 12 players with 2 stars. And the kicker is OU probably gets 15 players per year who are 4 stars.

The other joke are those who quote Gill's record at Buffalo. No duh that he has a losing record - would you expect any coach going into a program who has averaged 1 win per year over the last 7 years to actually turn the program around in under 3 years? If so, let me know what your smoking I want some. The kicker is - he did get them winning and to a bowl game.

As far as the KU players - when your best defenisve guy is a walk on, you are in trouble. I don't believe Steve Johnson was recruited - could have been. When you don't have a junior or a senior who could go to any other Big 12 school and start - do you reall expect to comptete? When you don't have a junior or senior on your team who will be drafted prior to the 10th round of the NFL draft, you are in trouble.

Time to come to reality and realize - Mangino for all the bowl games he won left the cupboard bare. After winning the Orange Bowl KU should have realized some quality recruits and they didn't get them. And now you want Gill to win.

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

Why wouldn't these players stick up for a head college football coach that treats them like it's a daycare center... This program is a joke!

Granted if Gill does get more time, he better get a reputable D-coordinator that can recruit and a new O-coordinator that knows how to call the right plays at the right time. Also, it seems to me they don't understand how to work with the talent they have. Jordan Webb as the starting QB all year? They all deserve to be fired just for that! How many struggling coaches on the hot seat would continue to sink with the same losing Qb week to week? I don't know too many. Hell, look at Texas they were rotating 3 guys just to figure out who had the right chemistry at the beginning of the season.

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

there are 10 teams in the b-12. right now, 9 of them have a shot at bowl games. thank you coach Gill.

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 5 months ago

Gill is gone. He had to win the last 3 games of the season to have a chance. 2 more wins is the best he can do, and we all know he won't win either one of those.

Leach is my preference.

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kennethterry92 2 years, 5 months ago

Lew is the one that put the screws to the University with Gills contract. I'm afraid we are up a creek either way. Our 2 options seem to be get rid of Gill and pay him 6 mil or keep him another year and watch the fanbase at memorial stadium evaporate and boosters and season ticket holders will quit wasting their hard earned money on a bad product. Thanks Lew for putting the University in what I see as a no win situation

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Calijhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Most of the people posting probably have never put on a pad in their life, let alone a Crimson and Blue one. I have. Take it from a defensive guy who survived the Bud Moore era...the source of most of the defensive problems is the untimely loss of a well-respected defensive coordinator...too late to hire a D-1 level replacement. We had to promote Vic Shealy – who wasn't hired to run a defense, and didn't sign up to do so. If he were more honest than optomistic, Shealy probably doesn't like being in this position any more than we like him there. Gill isn't outmatched. Shealy is.

Face it: Most of our defensive freshman and sophomores are better players than juniors and seniors. The upperclassmen who get on the field are in their third system in three years. The mistakes they make are glaring,but clearly a combination of inexperience and lack of system repetition, with a coordinator trying to adjust on the fly. Sooner or later, a D-1 OC is going to do his job and out-scheme you, out-match you, and expose you. Anyone who doesn't understand the serious problems of makeshift coaching, combined with personnel still in learning mode has never been around the game at this level.

As a former coach who has been around the block a few times, I think Zenger sees good, developing players on offense. Let's see what Gill can do if we buy a top notch DC, and equip him with players that aren't in a constant state of flux. I am not sure that we can afford, money-wise, to do otherwise. As someone who has experienced rebuilding a KU program, a much-improved 2012 with a good DC might surprise some. It wouldn't surprise me.

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boknowssports 2 years, 5 months ago

with gill next year, we would be looking at 3-9. at what point do the gill lovers say enough is enough. 3-9, 2-10, 3-9...is that what you really want???

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bulofat 2 years, 5 months ago

as bad as this team is and everyone makes them out to be, we should be 5-5 (3-4 in Big 12) fighting for a bowl game if we had beaten Tech (up 20-0), Iowa St. (led or were within 3 all game), and Baylor (up 21 in 4th qtr.) Keep Gill one more year!

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hihawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Lou Holtz said the other day that if a school has a poor coach, then they need to make a change even in mid-season. It looks like we are passed mid-season, guys.

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Kansas1241 2 years, 5 months ago

As a KU student I was there and rooting for Baylor. Gill and his staff are worse at coaching football than a 12-year-old girl. The Baylor loss is on one person...GILL! He got defensive in the 4th quarter and played not to lose. If he would have kept playing aggressively (like he did for the first time all season in the first 3 quarters) KU would have won. But instead he went to a prevent defense and alllowed Baylor to dominate the way everybody knew they would. The fans shouldn't support him and I'm proud the students don't. It's not about "believing" and "visualizing excellence". It's about winning football games and stomping on teams when you have them beat. Gill has always been too soft. Since he never cusses I'm curious what he was yelling after that interception. A real football coach would have used ever curse word in the book. Gill was probably saying something like "I don't agree with that call, but I'm glad you're trying your best!". Fire Gill and watch the support come back to this football team.

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Jo Ann Ortgies Stork 2 years, 5 months ago

Do we really want to start this process all over again? How many of you have been in the stands watching the game---or just read the bylines? We have been there and seen the improvements in the team. Yes, we need to continue to improve. We are a young team--70% are either freshmen or sophomores. They are still making errors; however, they are improving. Remember what the spread was on the Baylor game. It was ugly and yet we lost in overtime.

You who are fans that chose not to be in the stands last Saturday for senior day must have forgotten that a few of the seniors played in the Orange Bowl. This was Senior Day--respect for all their accomplishments--not just this year but past years. Glad to see so few of you were there. Not proud of our fans.

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coach43 2 years, 5 months ago

It is not Coach Gill. (keep in mind, why he was hired, and what KU was looking for) The problems are, bad offensive coordinator, bad defensive scheme (do not have the personell to run the 3-4), and inexperience. As a player, you have to be able to do what you are coached to do, and make a play. They do not have very many playmakers. They have too many guys thinking that they are better than they really are,(cuz they from Texas)-showing youth and inexperience.... and don't do their job on defense, and it makes them look really bad. I guarantee KU is 4-5 if they run a 4-3 defense scheme. GUARANTEEEEED!

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thelastjhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm sure the players mean well, but they cannot see the forest through the trees. You can't take them seriously.

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n17987 2 years, 5 months ago

don't know if anybody reads this far down. i feel that Gill's hiring went outside the AD's office and straight up to our chancellor. Maybe there was a mandate that based on the actions highly publicized about Mangino that we were to hire a, "kinder gentler" football coach. Gill fit the mandate. Unfortunately, we all know too well that this probably won't produce a great football team. Tuberville maybe into the same hole as well having to follow Leach. From the AD's office down, a football coach needs to be hired. we should have the people in place that can bring KU Football back to a positive cash-flow generating and importantly a winning team. Let the chancellor get back to academics.

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danmoore 2 years, 5 months ago

I would replace Gill in a nanosecond if I thought we could lure a top notch coach but before we add him to a long list of failed head coaches, we might want to explore the culture of failure and mediocrity in our football program. Even though we’ve had some good teams and have been able to beat our rivals there is nothing in our history to suggest we can land a proven commodity. There is no reason for any coach to come here other than use us as a stepping stone which is exactly what every coach who was not fired has done. Fire Gill and in three to five years we’ll be talking about a new head coach.

This season has been the perfect storm. We lost our DC, we’ve had a brutal schedule and we have lots of underclassman. This would be trying times for any coach. As difficult as it is to defend him, improvement next year is within the realm of reasonable expectations. I don’t think we have much to lose in giving him another year just to see if it pays off.

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Dyrk Dugan 2 years, 5 months ago

he deserves another year. i will admit, i'm all over the place on this, but after watching us play live this weekend, and the ISU game on TV last weekend, i am now convinced no matter what happens in the next two games, he deserves another shot.

i can't stress this enough: he does not have his key people in place on the field and on the staff.

he lost his DC in June. had to promote somebody. and the scheme WAS changed...we're just now figuring it out. for three quarters we looked darn good on Saturday...yes, i now it's a four quarter game....but really, after RGIII just gashed MU for 700 yards, didn't you expect he'd garner 800 vs. us?

but the main thing is, he doesn't have his QB. Webb can't run...can't move. this offense NEEDS a moving QB....and we have no wideouts. Patterson got hurt...and that REALLY hurt the offense. Shepherd has had his moments...but we don't feature him at all. Jackson, Mundine and Omigie can't catch a ball....it's all very disorderly right now on offense.

He's still coaching the Mangino leftovers...some good football players, but you know his style is 180 degrees different than MMs. he deserves his guys, running his system...especially at QB. and next year, we'll see it.

the players still play hard...we really hit Baylor on Saturday...it was a good football game from Kansas's standpoint...until basically the last 5 minutes.

the only reason we change the coach now...and i mean the ONLY reason...is because SZ has the big name darn near agreed to a deal....and it HAS to be a name coach....(Urban Meyer to name one) or else we're just doing the same thing we've always done.....trying to find the RIGHT guy.

well, we have the right guy...right now. we don't have enough info. yet. he deserves another year at least....probably two. but i think we'll see the potential next year...especially with the right DC, a couple of new JUCO DTs, and his own quarterback.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

And why wouldn't players not stand up for Gill. Easy practices, easy conditioning program, no accountability for your on field mistakes...

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Jim Jackson 2 years, 5 months ago

Gill needs to replace the D coordinator, then give em one more year! Go 'Hawks!

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rcjallday 2 years, 5 months ago

KU doesn't have the capital to buy him out and then to pay another coach a comparable salary. For those that say that Coach Gill can't win because he's a nice guy haven't watched much football. There are plenty of good guy coaches who have been successful (Mack Brown, Mark Richt, Bobby Bowden, Tommy Tuberville, Frank Beamer). Having a raving lunatic on the sideline doesn't promise victories either. While the focus of criticism is on the defense, I think the bigger issue is at the QB position. We have 2 incoming Freshman and 1 RS Freshman, who are capable of doing things with their feet as well as their arms. With our stable of tailbacks, I really think a game changer of a QB will make a huge difference. To make defenses respect a dual threat guy creates considerable offensive flexibility. The best KU example is Bill Whittemore. He wasn't surrounded by a great deal of talent, but he found ways to win. Webb hasn't gotten it done and I look forward to the day someone else is under center.

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Hail_To_Thee 2 years, 5 months ago

Fortunately, the players are not the ones writing Gills paycheck.

I think we all understand the importance of the education these kids get and would all agree that that SHOULD be what matters. But greed is a part of every university, in every aspect, and that is unfortunately what makes the waggon role. When the alumni speak, you can bet your bottom dollar that the university listens. And I guarantee that the alumni are pretty much screaming right now.

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HawkfromHays 2 years, 5 months ago

Keeping it close with two mediocre teams and everyone is ready to forget getting our brains beat in for half of the games this season? Give me a break. To keep him any longer means accepting futility. He should have been fired after the KSU game and if he would have been Arizona and Ole Miss wouldn't have a leg up on us in getting a new coach.

KU football is sitting in this situation due to a history of monumentally bad decisions made by the Athletic Administration. Keeping him any longer will only be another one.

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Steve Corder 2 years, 5 months ago

Just a little whisper...."bad call?".....when the game is tight going down the stretch and there's conference money on the line.....Baylor & bowl eligibility in this latest case....the call goes against the weak sister in football and basketball.

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Cody Stumma 2 years, 5 months ago

I wonder how many extra Snickers Candy bars Gill had to give to the players for them to say that?

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jhwkfan162515 2 years, 5 months ago

Damn it you guys, if you want your coach to stay, start winning games! But stop getting mad at us for calling him out. Shouldn't you be mad at yourselves for screwing up week after week and embarrassing KU? Shouldn't you be full of regret for having run off Coach Mangino?

Fire Turner Gill!!!!!

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MorganR 2 years, 5 months ago

I would urge my fellow Rock Chalkers to defer to the players that have the most information and most at stake. Moreover, as their improved performances demonstrate, the players demonstrated they aren't giving up. If the players are behind coach Gill, that should be sufficient justification for us to support coach Gill.

There seems to be broad agreement that the team has made significant strides and could have - should have - won the last two games. Beyond the won - loss column, I understand that coach Gill is regarded as a good person, a person with integrity, and a concern for his players' education. While I appreciate the "economics" of winning, we should not casually disregard the importance of integrity and the educational mission of the university.

I have read bloggers suggest names of coaches that have lost their prior jobs because of unethical behavior, abusive conduct, and NCAA violations. As events at Penn State, Ohio State, and others demonstrate, some of these coaches seem to take the position they are not accountable to their university's administration. I would not want such a person as a symbol for MY / OUR university. Moreover, their won / loss records at other universities may not be an indicator of future success.

The players make a compelling argument in favor of honoring coach Gill 's contract - at least for one more year. I would prefer KU honor his contract as much for KU's integrity as well as a selling point in the event KU seeks to make a coaching change in football or any other sport.

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KUMC81Hawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Newbie here so don't be too rough. KU has shown improvement in the past two weeks. If we stay within 10 pts in the last two games, keep Gill for another year providing he finds another D coordinator. Our O is headed in the right direction. Here's something to think about. If our D could have provided just two more three and outs in each game, and our O could have scored just one more TD each game, we would have five wins and still be in the bowl picture. Also the blowouts don't look near so bad.

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justinryman 2 years, 5 months ago

I was looking at this article thinking it would be freshman and sophomores talking about Gill, but these were seniors.

Guys Gill didn't recruit, guys Gill has only know for a little while, he didn't spend any time in their living rooms, just on the practice field and in meetings, and yet they have his back.

As some of you cringe, it makes me think this is a good thing, as they haven't quit on him yet.

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Nick Cole 2 years, 5 months ago

It saddens me that when KU was up 24-3 in the fourth quarter, I fully expected Baylor to come back and win. That is how little faith and confidence I have in this coaching staff to put the players in the proper position to win the game consistently through 4 quarters. Low and behold, they proved me right. Sure players dropped passes. Sure there were some really bad calls (and I have yet to hear any refs come out and apologize that they made the wrong call). Sure there were missed tackles. But the coaches call the plays and the players run them. When the coaches are not calling the right plays at crucial times in a game, it doesn't matter how good the players are, it's a recipe for another pathetic loss.

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FSUJHAWK 2 years, 5 months ago

The players will carry HCTG on their shoulders off the field on 11/26/11...mark my words!

RCJHGKU!!!

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

Think you guys should look at Baylors schedule and see who they play this week. I guarantee you they did not watch a lick of ku film. Instead they prepared for this weeks game. Combine that with a 97 mph wind and you get a close game.

And I'm so tired of Steven Johnson's supporting of Gill. I would guess that somewhere on SJ's body is an "I heart Turner" tattoo that he got with the rest of you in '09. Dude thinks he is the man because he is the leading tackler on a poor team that can't tackle anyone for a loss or get a stop. It's like scoring 20 points a game in hoops playing for Texas Tech and you shoot 40 times, means nothing.

And why is UT -9.5 against KSU? Free Money!

And guess which Coach has his team set up as the biggest underdog this week (t33)? Ok, it's whoever coaches CSU, but Turner has the second highest point spread at t30. Coach 'em up Turner!

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Funhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

I hate to bag on the players because any who get a scholarship offer from KU and became a Jayhawk are number one in my book. Realize that if the player on the field is not a true freshman, that player was not brought to KU by Coach Gill. The players brought to KU by Mangino are not Big XII caliber players. Most did not receive scholarship offers from any other Big XII schools. If any of our players did, it was usually from Iowa State or Baylor, thus we could compete against Iowa State and Baylor this year. Don't fans realize you can coach up players all you want, but you can't change genes.

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Jim Jackson 2 years, 5 months ago

I love my Jayhawkers and so this has to be a tough decision on everyone.

Gill is a great man, there is no doubt about that and yes, this is about winning. He was hired to win. That being said, Mangina really did not have that great a talent for him to inherit. How many 4 star Running Backs did he bring in in 7 years? 1, that clown from a JUCO who said he would run for 2000 yds and ran for 200 instead. Gill has brought in 3 in 2 seasons. Clearly, the man can recruit. If he can get us competitive in these last 2 games he should be able to stick around for one more year. As he has one for the youngest teams in the NCAAs. The team will get an extra year to work on strength, size, speed and agility. Pete Carrol was a laid back players coach and look what he did. Then again he had 5 star players on his team. Turner can recruit, give 'em one more shot and we go bowling next year.

Word

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Keith Hummel 2 years, 5 months ago

I hate to go against the prevailing sentiment, but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Gill will be gone at seasons end. If (and its a huge "if") Gill makes the last two games competitive, I think an argument can be made for giving him one more year. aTm needs one win to become bowl eligible. At home after an overtime loss to KSU, with the UT game looming on the horizon, there is no way aTm looks past KU. If the Jayhawks can hang with the Aggies under those circumstances, and follow it up with a competitive game against MU, then I think Gill will get another year. If we get blown out in both games I think he's gone.

"Should" Gill get another year is a different question. I say "no" because I believe overall he has proven he is in over his head. He is simply not ready to be a Div-1 head coach in imho, and we have not really seen the improvement one would expect by this point. Keep in mind that Saturday's close game against Baylor was made possible largely because RGIII played like he was hung-over for 3 quarters. Sometime between the 3rd and 4th quarters someone slipped him an Advil and a Red Bull, and the real RGIII showed up and exposed our defense. In our desperation to see improvement in this team lets not get ahead of ourselves. We still have the worst defense and the 87th ranked offense in FBS, and have won only one Big-12 game in almost two years under Gill.

While I'll be rooting for KU to play well these last two games, I'm afraid if they do we will see another year of futility under Gill.

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jhox 2 years, 5 months ago

Too bad he couldn't pick up a couple more wins this year, and be a little more competitive in several of the games. I would have loved to have seen what he could do with one more strong recruiting class. Unfortunately, even if he did survive to coach one more year, he would have a difficult time recruiting next year's freshman class with cloud hanging over the program, and over his job security. I've heard the money is already in place to buy him out. I don't know if that's accurate or not, but I don't see how he survives unless by some miracle we win the next two games (not going to happen.)

One thing I would definitely do is retain a couple of his top recruiters. I would not buy out the strong recruiter's contracts. I would hold them to those contracts, and buy out everyone else (Long included.)

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bootlegger 2 years, 5 months ago

I think in time the team will pull together and Coach Gill will be a winner; so keep this coach for another 3 years!!!!!! See you jayhawks in Kansas City soon!!! lol

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 5 months ago

Did SZ issue a statement after another "coaching" loss?

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Ben Kliewer 2 years, 5 months ago

I'm not going to bag on Gill as a person. I really do like the guy. I think he's a genuinely good guy, and I'm sure the players like him too. But he's not a football coach. He doesn't know how to coach a football team properly, and that is the job he was hired to do.

I'm sure the players like the guy, and they're fighting for him. But when you've been coached into a system and a philosophy that's just not going to work at the BCS Conference level, you can fight as hard as you want and you're still not going to succeed. The program is beyond "getting that one win" to turn everything around. Gill is gone. That's a fact. The reality remains that, unlike many posters on this website, there are many alumni who will not sit idly by and allow a coach, who has proven he cannot run a football team, continue to degrade the quality of the program. The alumni have spoken by opening their pocket books and saying "get him out."

That is a fact, it is clear at this point. You can give Turner Gill all the time in the world to "turn this program around" and in doing so you would settle for an average of sub .500 seasons for as long as he is coach. To settle for that is to spit in the face of the University of Kansas as a school which harbors intercollegiate athletics. It is unacceptable, and will not be tolerated at any institution with self respect. To continue to accept and even encourage some of what Gill has brought to the program (emphasis on some) is to be content with mediocrity, or even less.

To get players to believe in themselves is great, and I'm all for it. And bouncing back positively after blowout losses is just fantastic. But it takes much more than a smile on your face and a ray of sunshine in your pocket to field a competitive team at the BCS level. There is not one coach out there who is going to tell his players not to believe in themselves, or that they should just give up, or that they shouldn't think positively. Gill is not unique or special in this way. And, if there is anything we've learned over the last two years it is that the business of college football is exactly that; business. If your business isn't producing, you need to develop a new business model. It is in the best interest of KU Athletics as a business to make some changes to the football program. It's nothing personal...it's business.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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mahkmood 2 years, 5 months ago

Maybe Gill can "stay around for a long time" as the team counselor, chaplain, and recruiter. It doesn't seem anyone has personal issues with Gill. And if Gill is (hypothetically) going to bring in better recruits than Mangino - make him a recruiting coordinator, not a head coach. Bring back Mangino, or bring in Leach, and "promote" Gill to team recruiting coordinator and chaplain. The players will learn how to be competitive again under Mangino or Leach, and can go to Gill to get counseling and spiritual guidance after the boot-camp practices. As an added bonus, maybe Gill's presence would result in Mangino's and Leach's personal "salvation"... haha

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kansaspike 2 years, 5 months ago

If I did my job half as bad as gill does his...I wouldnt get even a second year to prove it like him. It's time for the discussion to focus on the replacement.

After this debacle, clearly we want a proven winner.

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kusportsdotcom 2 years, 5 months ago

Boys, the best way to fight for your coach is to win a ball game.

I like Steven Johnson a lot. But his comment that Gill "should stay here for a long time" makes me cringe.

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