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Monday, November 7, 2011

Keegan

Bad move, Mizzou

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Mystified at Missouri’s decision to bolt the Big 12 for the SEC, yes. Shocked? No. Remember, this is the same school that interviewed Quin Snyder and Bill Self to replace Norm Stewart and decided to hire Snyder.

This is the same school that after losing basketball coach Mike Anderson to Arkansas hired Frank Haith.

At Sunday’s festive news conference to announce the move to the football conference that features fast, huge, in-your-face defensive linemen, Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton cited “continuing instability in the conference we were in” as impetus for the move.

He has a point. After all, it wasn’t long ago that a school whose chancellor was the Big 12 board chairman triggered the instability by publicly expressing its desire to draw an invitation to the Big Ten. That school, of course, was Missouri, and Deaton was the Big 12 chairman until last month.

The Big 12 now has the sort of fair TV deal that the SEC has. Missouri always seemed to want more power in decision-making in the Big 12 and begrudged Texas its leading role.

Here’s how powerful Missouri is in the SEC: The Tigers will be in the East division, despite it making no sense geographically.

Apparently, big-money boosters promised to fund facilities upgrades as long as Mizzou joined the SEC. Better facilities mean better recruiting. But that presumes Missouri can continue to recruit Texas as well as it has when it was a Big 12 member. Dangerous assumption.

Plus, it’s not as difficult to get a Texas player out of the state of Texas as it is getting an Alabama athlete out of Alabama, a Georgia standout out of Georgia. Ditto for Louisiana, Mississippi, etc.

Athletes from the deep South tend to like to stay in the deep South.

The move to the SEC hasn’t worked out as well for Arkansas as it had hoped. Snazzy facilities might help to change that, but so far the school hasn’t had nearly as high a profile as it did in the Southwest Conference.

None of that will scare Gary Pinkel, a confident man for a reason. He’s a heck of a football coach. On the positive side, his spread offense is one that SEC defenses don’t often prepare to face, so the unfamiliarity could close the talent gap a little.

• If Mississippi boosters fed up with coach Houston Nutt get their way, Pinkel might not be the only pass-happy coach joining the SEC.

Ole Miss fans love the idea of Mike Leach bringing his aerial show to Oxford. Ole Miss, like Kansas University, is 0-6 in conference and 2-7 overall. Zack Stoudt, the juco recruit who chose Mississippi over KU, has thrown six picks and two touchdowns and has a 50.5 completion percentage.

Ole Miss boosters are growing louder by the minute about their desire to replace a Nutt with a (pirate) nut.

• A couple of former Mark Mangino assistant coaches had big weekends.

Rice University’s offense, coordinated by former KU offensive line coach John Reagan, amassed 671 yards in a 41-37 victory against UTEP.

Northern Illinois head coach Dave Doeren’s Huskies, who lost to KU 45-42 in Week 2, won at Toledo, 63-60, to improve to 6-3 overall and 4-1 in the MAC. Doeren’s Huskies rank 10th in the nation with 41.2 points per game.

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putman1954 2 years, 5 months ago

Prediction: Gary Pinkel, realizing the abject futility of Mizzou's future in the SEC, accepts the next PAC 12 or Big Sky coaching position that comes his way. This may happen at the end of this year as Pinkel's a smart guy, but will surely happen by the end of his first SEC season. Mike Alden then has to pick another new coach and the downward spiral begins.

Turn out the lights,Mizzou fans. You will NEVER win a SEC division or conference title in football and your good years in basketball will land you about a 12-seed in the NCAA followed by a second round exit.

I say good riddance. I look forward to welcoming WVU and Louisville and a conference schedule in basketball that finally prepares Bill Self and the Jayhawks to beat all mid-majors in the NCAA tournament.

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jhawkrulz 2 years, 5 months ago

Dear Misery, How does that estimated $25-$30MM exit fee taste right now...Thanks for the $3-4 MM donation, we appreciate it. It should also set you back about 3 years of revenue.

Additionally, let me help you with a little math. The contracts between the SEC and Big XII are about the same on a per team basis.

Have fun getting killed and being the third best "Tiger" program in the conference.

KU

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jayhawkintexas 2 years, 5 months ago

Missouri moving to the $EC raises the average IQ of the $EC and the Big XII..!!!

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tigerfan2011 2 years, 5 months ago

Dear KU fans,

   You are right--you are not worth the time to communicate rationally. Good Luck you are going to need it.  By the way when are you going upgrade your football stadium?   It looks like it did when it was built in 1921.   You seem so upset with Missouri leaving----how about getting a football team?
   I will not be back.   This should make you very happy.

  Missouri Fan
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texashawk10 2 years, 5 months ago

I can't wait to see what happens the first time Missouri fans make their first trip down to Death Valley. Please SEC, make Missouri's first SEC game a night game in Baton Rogue to give them a proper welcoming to the SEC.

One other thing that's always bothered me, why do people from Missouri spell their state's name with two z's instead of two s's? I've always heard rumors that spelling is a grad school level class at Missouri, but the spelling there makes it too hard to figure out.

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Granitestatah 2 years, 5 months ago

Am I the only one that thinks that the picture of Alden and Deaton with confetti falling around them will be Misery's own "Mission Accomplished" banner?

I hope that every time Mizwho gets a beatdown at the hands of the Floridas and Alabamas of the world they think of that picture. That every time a Texas recruit slams the door in Pinkel's face and tell him to pound sand they think of that picture. That every time they are playing Vanderbilt for last place in the SEC East they will be thinking of that picture.

Good riddance to white trash slave owning rubbish.

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tigerfan2011 2 years, 5 months ago

Dear KU Fans

       The real reason that MU fans dislike KU fans is because KU fans want to brag about every victory that KU can muster over MU.  Yes, we know your basketball teams have been very successful but you continually want to degrade MU's athletic teams and university.  Be happy you win many basketball games and championships but please don't drag us down in the mud.   Both universities have had good leaders and bad leaders.  We both want to be successful.  When you win games and championships be honorable--don't trash your opponents.  I have been to every Big 8/12 venue.  The two worse places to attend an athletic event were at KU and Texas.   Yes, I know our student fans at MU have not always be gracious, for that I am sorry. Dignity and honor that's what it is all about. Good Luck to your future.

       Missouri Fan
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phoggedin 2 years, 5 months ago

This is a poor move by the Tigers, one already panned by many in the national media. They've sacrificed many years of tradition for a slightly larger payout and worse odds of competing regularly in football. They've walked away from a conference affiliation with their main rival. I would guess that Missouri will now challenge Ol' Miss and Vanderbilt for one of the least relevant athletic programs in the league. And my guess is that most fans of the SEC don't see this as an especially strong move.

What's worse, Missouri has looked extremely foolish over the past two years. They started this mess with their open flirtation with the Big 10, only to be left behind when Nebraska got the invitation. Nebraska has said they never would have considered the Big 10 had Missouri not made such a public plea to change. And now, instead of working to make the Big 12 more stable and successful, they leave for the perceived greener pastures of the SEC. Just as Nebraska and Colorado are finding this year that competing in their new leagues doesn't automatically bring all the benefits they had hoped, Missouri will be the SEC school no one really cares about.

While I think this is a foolish decision by MIssouri, one that they've handled very poorly, I suppose it is also true that many KU fans would now be fine with leaving the Big XII for other options. As of today, the Big XII is not what it once was, and adding WVU and TCU doesn't exactly make up for the longstanding rivalries that have now departed. I still think the Big 10 would be a great fit for us, but the fact is that the Big 10 is not currently expanding, and we don't have a realistic shot at a better league affiliation. Even if we were to leave, we'll never have the Midwest hub of KU, K-State, Missouri, and Nebraska that was so important to the Big 8, to the Big 12 North, and to the Kansas City area. And no matter how dumb Missouri is, the loss of those conference rivalries is, well, sad.

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Bear86 2 years, 5 months ago

Keegan,

It was a good move for Mizzou. Instead of bitching about it try and light a fire under our inept administration and get KU out of this Texas ran conference. The Big 12 (10?) is the laughing stock of the nation. As long as Texas is steering the ship there will be no long term stability. All Texas cares about is Texa$$ ! They couldn't give a lick about any other conference member. Sorry to see Mizzou leave due to the history of the states and rivalry created over the years but if the shoe was on the other foot we would have jumped at the chance to leave this dysfunctional conference. F-Texas!!!

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Robert Brown 2 years, 5 months ago

I suspect we will now see 4-5 years of stability in the area of conference realignment. The Big East will add some non-AQ teams to attempt to stay relevant and that will be it. What schools are out there that would compel the Pac-12, SEC or Big 10 to expand? Only UT and Notre Dame. Maybe the SEC makes a play for a couple of ACC schools in the future, but they can afford to wait. OU proved that they are not that valuable when only packaged with O-State though the could have taken MU's spot in the SEC. UT could decide to make a move which would restart the conference realignment process.

It is hard to imagine a scenario not involving UT or ND that would disrupt the stability of the Big 12 for the next several years and I guess that is the positive outcome of all of this.

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Geekinout 2 years, 5 months ago

Awesome! I get to watch LSU, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Arkansas, South Carolina and pretty much almost everyone in that conference welcome Mizzou to the SEC.

Mizzou will basically be reenacting the beginning prison scene from Shawshank Redemption. Seriously, what more could a KU fan ask for?

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142466 2 years, 5 months ago

The outfit from Columbia may not be known as the Tigers for long. Already too many Tiger mascots in the SEC. Neither LSU, the house that Louie Long built, nor Alabama, the lesser, will willingly surrender their rights. Alabama, the lesser, will be especially stubborn. Took Auburn 50 years of chasing before they caught the Tiger. From Plainsmen, to War Eagles, to finally Tigers. Brilliant.

The SEC will insist that Mizzou change their mascot to the Weasels. Then, for sure, every one will wonder what ever happened to them. Gone With the Wind.

Several posters today seem to be agreeing with my thoughts about academics. If KU wants to improve its academic standing they should focus on happenings on Mt. Oread, not on the composition of an athletic league. The same goes for other universities.

The BIG12 and the other BCS Conferences are athletic leagues based on geography, enrollment numbers, and on approximate sports compatibility. BCS leagues are not debating societies or chess clubs. The individual members of these leagues are not academic apples from the same tree. ISU has little in common with UT other than sports competition. Same goes for Wash St and Stanford, Vandy and Ole Miss. Etc.

The Big12 desperately needs to expand. Desperate? Yes. There are a limited number of geographicaly compatible candidates and most of them are already looking eastward. So time is fleeting. If a school like Houston or Boise is academically accredited, in good academic standing, and is in the process of upgrading their academic offerings, then bring them in. In the realignment shuffle the Big12 must act short-term to protect the League's long-term viability.

The 9 other B12 members must force UT to accept expansion. If they refuse, then kick them out and expand without them.

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clyons55 2 years, 5 months ago

This honestly seems like a lateral move to me. I'm a long time KU fan but I can appreciate a University doing what they believe is best for them. But this? The Big 12 is a top tier football conference as well as basketball. It's not the SEC in football, but when was the last time MU won the Big 12? What they really want is to be in the Big 10 and in my opinion that's what they should have held out for.

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GabrielMichael 2 years, 5 months ago

The Big 12 will become instantly more stable with MU leaving. MU created the instability themselves when they broke the news they were Big 10 material and later recanted and feigned Big 12 loyalty. Now that they are gone the Big 12 is infinitely more secure.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 5 months ago

I find it interesting that Missouri can't see the parallels;

Texas/Oklahoma in Big 12 football = Alabama/LSU in SEC football

Kansas/Texas in Big 12 basketball = Kentucky/Florida in SEC basketball

At the end of the day, they'll still be limping back to Columbia with two black eyes and a broken nose.

More money, sure, but with less dignity, without a doubt!!

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Gregor Southard 2 years, 5 months ago

Hard to take a school seriously whose mascot is the spokesman for Frosted Flakes cereal. Mizzou: "Their grrrrrrrrrreeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!" lol

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danmoore 2 years, 5 months ago

Better, worse, the same? Don't know and don't care. After they're gone my contempt for them will change to indifference. There will be no point in continuing to dislike a school we no longer play.

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tigerfan2011 2 years, 5 months ago

Dear KU fans

There is one important fact to remember. KU would have done the same thing as MU except there has never been any offer to move.

Good Luck in the Texas + Whatever number fits Conference.

                Missouri fan
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jdhawk1988 2 years, 5 months ago

"The Tigers are like the Midwestern executive who takes a job in New York because it pays more. Only when he gets to Manhattan and discovers the price of rent and groceries does he understand that the rise in pay will include a decline in the standard of living." - Ivan Maisel, ESPN

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RazorbackinMo 2 years, 5 months ago

Any Razorback fan who yearns for the days of the SWC is 1) in the extreme minority and 2) an utter fool.

There are no regrets that Arkansas joined the SEC, and in being considered the 3rd best team in the SEC, when the other two teams are ranked 1st and 3rd in the nation, respectively, is no mean feat, either. Last year, we made it to our first BCS game (where we failed to play up to our potential - that's a story for another day) and we have made it to a few SEC championship games. In short, leaving the SWC was one of the best things done for the program, and undoubtedly, Mizzou will feel the same way. And sure, we lost the big rivalry with Texas, but as everyone has seen, Texas genuinely cares only about Texas, and can't be even bothered to hold on to an even longer rivalry with an in-state foe (maybe this is a growing Big 12 trend).

Mizzou will benefit from playing in the toughest conference in the country which carries the prestige of multiple national championships. It will still have a recruiting presence in Texas, as, after all, the state is now SEC territory. Recruits from Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa, will now have the opportunity to play for the conference which sends the most players to the NFL without having to leave the far from home. Playing in the SEC will no longer mean taking a trip over to Kentucky or down to Arkansas, but in much closer Columbia, Missouri. Lastly, after the next round of tv deals are through, Mizzou will probably end up bringing home a nicer (and definitely, more fair) share of the pie.

In short, welcome Mizzou to the SEC and a much brighter future! (If Mizzou wants another border rivalry, perhaps some Razorbacks can stomp over the place of a few jay birds and take the role!)

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danmoore 2 years, 5 months ago

Any school leaving the conference hurts but Texas and Oklahoma have both toyed with the idea of leaving on two occasions and remain intact. There are still viable programs available if we choose to expand, albeit less geographically convenient. If the Big 12 does not survive it will because the Pac 12, Big 10, ACC and SEC are intent on becoming 16 team conferences. I’m not convinced that will happen but if it does I believe KU will land in one of them.

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Rich Noever 2 years, 5 months ago

So the SEC welcomed Misery with open arms. Let's see how the conference feels in 4 to 5 years when Misery starts their whining about how no one respects them. That's what they do and it got real old. When the big boys in the SEC start regularly clobbering them, they will resort to their old pathetic ways.

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dkelman32 2 years, 5 months ago

As I crossed the state line to go to work today I witnessed the stars and stripes had been replaced by the stars and bars, and somewhere in the distance I could hear stains of Ashokan Farewell whispered on the wind. Hats off boys, for today those who were once our brothers have fallen to that cursed rebel scourge... Of all the days to forget my Crimson Leggings.

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KillerMizzou 2 years, 5 months ago

One premise in the article that is flawed is to say that "The Big 12 now has the sort of fair TV deal that the SEC has." It's so uniformed that it's surprising a professional journalist would even make the comment. To start, there is no granting of tv rights in the SEC with a time frame. The SEC will renegotiate its TV contract now that it has added 31 million new households to it's footprint. In addition, a new SEC Network will be put in place. Within the next 3 to 5 years, Mizzou stands to earn at least $20mil more per year in TV revenue than it would in the Big 12. In addition, with more exposure the ability to build the brand will expand revenue as well football stadium expansion. Mizzou will see it's athletic budget grow from about $53 million this year to something north of $75 million within 5 years and probably over $80 million by the end of this decade. If they stayed in the Big 12, not so much. This alone trumps any other argument someone can come up with for staying.

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Jayhawk1958 2 years, 5 months ago

It was a bad move. Somehow they thought to show their superiority, or inferiority complex, they would leave the Big 12. They figured they could save grace by joining another conference since they got blackballed by the Big 10. Have fun going to Baton Rouge, Fayettville, etc. They will really struggle on the road in the SEC. At least in the Big 12 North they had to opportunity to win the conference if they won the North, which they did. And the Big 12 South is not on the same level of playing field then most of the SEC teams.

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hihawk 2 years, 5 months ago

Hire gill, that will teach KU to listen to Tom Osborne.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 2 years, 5 months ago

How's it go, one conference's trash is another conference's treasure.

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Robert Brock 2 years, 5 months ago

Give the Harbaugh story a rest. It is complete fiction.

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hawken 2 years, 5 months ago

"Remember, this is the same school that interviewed Quin Snyder and Bill Self to replace Norm Stewart and decided to hire Snyder." And we're the school that interviewed Jim Harbaugh and Turner Gill and decided to hire Turner Gill.

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rockchalk_dpu 2 years, 5 months ago

I think Gotllieb said it best in a tweet yesterday, "Missouri fans your New Years calendars are now clear for the next 20 yrs. Oh wait, nothing changed." Sad to see the rivalry die, angry that they are making KU seem like the poor sports and running away from playing, but in the end no one will care and it will provide us a good source of amusement for the next several years.

Here's how I see it playing out... 1-3 years: tough SEC schedule shows its teeth right away and they stop the streak of 10 win seasons. 4-6 years: barely if ever getting bowl eligible, the fan base becomes angry and stops coming to games finding something better to do on Saturdays in Missouri (noodling perhaps) 7-10 years: no amount of pledges to upgrade facilities and added tv revenue will overcome the chronic losing that plagues their program. Pinkel leaves for greener pastures (if not before) and they become Kentucky minus the basketball team, just a speedbump on opponents way to the next week.

One can only hope...

RCJGKU

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Displayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

What do you guys think about Dave Doeren as a potential replacement coach??? Kansas guy, former assistant on Mangino's staff, so he knows how to turn around a program, and he's an excellent recruiter.

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Ludwig Supraphonic 2 years, 5 months ago

MU has officially become irrelevant to me. Other than the amount of their Big12 exit fee; news from Mizzery is of no interest.

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James Naismith 2 years, 5 months ago

TK is right. MU was at the forefront of conference instability with their lust for B1G last year.

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blackhawkjayhawk 2 years, 5 months ago

This is good news if KU takes advantage. Missouri will gradually lose the media coverage and interest in the KC area - meaning that KU can dominate KC recruiting. Not a huge advantage, but an advantage none the less.

KU needs to move quickly and speak bluntly when working with recruits.

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jhwkfan162515 2 years, 5 months ago

Dear John Calipari and the Kentucky Wildcats, Suddenly, I have a reason to cheer for you in basketball. I will cheer for you whenever you play Mizzoodle. But as long as Calipari is coach, that will be the ONLY time I cheer for you. Sincerely, ~jhwkfan162515

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Ted Adams 2 years, 5 months ago

Bottom line is that Misery will always be a state without a true home. For years prior to the Civil War, they proclaimed their allegiance to the South and the slaver way. After the Civil War, they have gone out of their way pretending that the War never happened and that their commitment to slavery never happened.

The South see them as traitors and the North sees them as band-wagoners. Face it! You'll never have a home, but by some of your own administrators comments, you've gone back to your "roots". Well, I guess there's nothing like choosing the wrong path....TWICE!

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Varlo52 2 years, 5 months ago

As a percentage of AAU schools in each conference B12's 3 of 10 is fractionally better than SEC's 4 of 14. So much for Mizzeri math prowess.

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Hank Cross 2 years, 5 months ago

Is this a column or just some random thoughts?

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Travis Clementsmith 2 years, 5 months ago

Yes, because if its one thing the SEC has wanted to laugh about it, it is their high academic reputation. In light of this intellectual enlightenment, do you think the SEC schools are going to up their admission standards? I don't think so either. Its more likely, A&M and Mizzou will hope to gain some recruits by being allowed to lower theirs.

Not a very compelling post. I seriously doubt anyone is going to see the SEC in a higher academic light or the Big XII in a lower one than they already were. If this is the source of your worry about realignment you really don't know what to be scared of.

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Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 5 months ago

"The conference sought the Aggies to open the door to the television market in Texas. The SEC sought Missouri because it had to bring in someone, right? The Tigers may deliver good-sized TV markets in St. Louis and Kansas City. But there's a reason that they call the trustees of the University of Missouri "curators." They are the people who work at museums, which is the only place you'll find a Tiger trophy in football for the foreseeable future."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7200273/missouri-tigers-move-sec-just-latest-conference-realignmentt

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manginorh00lz 2 years, 5 months ago

Wrong.

It was a good move. A forward-thinking move. A "clinging to the last 100 years isn't going to provide success for the next 100 years" move.

SEC: 4 AAU schools Big 12: 3 AAU schools

The Big 12 is now the academic laughing stock of the remaining BCS conferences. (The Big East is done, as if that needs to be said)

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