Monday, March 21, 2011

Pick-and-roll key for Jayhawks

Halftime adjustment helps Kansas pull away from Illinois

Kansas forward Markieff Morris twirls his finger for the "wrap-up" signal after an alley-oop dunk against Illinois during the second half on Sunday, March 20, 2011 at the BOK Center in Tulsa.

Kansas forward Markieff Morris twirls his finger for the "wrap-up" signal after an alley-oop dunk against Illinois during the second half on Sunday, March 20, 2011 at the BOK Center in Tulsa.



KU defeats Illinois

video thumbnail

Kansas took down Illinois on Sunday, March 20, 2011 in Tulsa, Okla. to advance to the Sweet Sixteen.

Podcast episode

Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

KU coach Bill Self

Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 73-59 victory over Illinois on March 20, 2011.

Download podcast

— Kansas University’s offense was stagnant toward the end of the first half, and KU coach Bill Self told his players he believed he knew why.

At halftime of the Jayhawks’ 73-59 victory over Illinois on Sunday, Self told his guards that they needed to be tougher, as Illinois’ guards were pushing them toward midcourt — and out of their offense.

“No one’s going to say, ‘Hey, I thought that Kansas played the ball screen great in the second half, and that’s why they won the game,’” KU senior guard Tyrel Reed said, “but, in essence, I thought we did a good job.”

Because KU’s guards were more physical in the second half — and came around ball screens shoulder-to-shoulder with their screen-setting teammates at the three-point line — the Jayhawks were able to get some easy baskets off the pick-and-roll.

A few times, KU guard Brady Morningstar wrapped around a ball screen then dropped a bounce pass for either Marcus or Markieff Morris, who finished the play with a layup or slam.

The play works best when the KU guard comes around the ball screen, acts like he is attacking the rim to draw both defenders, then quickly drops off the pass to his unguarded teammate.

KU’s guards work on that particular bounce pass every day in practice.

“It’s the toughest thing to guard. It really is,” Reed said of the pick-and-roll. “If you’ve got a great point guard that can make plays — and I think all of our guards can make plays — it’s tough to stop.”

It’s especially difficult to defend because of the versatility of the Morris twins.

Because the two juniors can drive and also hit three-pointers, opponents have to respect them on cuts to the basket and also when they pop out to the perimeter.

“They work it so well. The brothers know each other — the actions and things like that,” Illinois center Mike Tisdale said. “Their guards were giving them the ball in good spots.”

Reed said KU’s ball-screen defense also was improved against Illinois.

Not only were KU’s guards sticking to their men better on ball screens, the big men were doing a better job of hedging — or switching for a second before quickly recovering to get back to their original men.

“That’s what we practice every day,” Reed said. “When we do it right, we’re a pretty good defensive team.”


Alohahawk 9 years, 11 months ago

What I saw was Illinois constantly setting moving screens to get their own teammates open. If they did it once, they did it at least two dozen times. The refs may have called it on them once. I know the Hawks have been called for a lot less movement on their screens in the past.

Joe Baker 9 years, 11 months ago

They never call or called moving screens. I saw Tisdale walk his man on a screen, after he moved on a previous screen.

I'll never understand that issue. It's like the charging problem. The officials don't seem to understand certain calls or just refuse to make certain calls.

justinryman 9 years, 11 months ago

Nope they never got called for it, but Tyrel got called for running over a guy while his screen was moving. They were leaning into screens and moving their feet on screens along the baseline the whole second half.

But the good thing was, it was a deterrent in how KU played. They just kept playing and moving forward and never looked back!!!!!

lee3022 9 years, 11 months ago

Same official who missed the three calls at the end of the game in the Big East tournament this year. If the Big East saw fit to fire them after that fiasco why is the NCAA using them?

Yes there were multiple moving screens and the only ones called were moving so fast and far they could not be ignored. In the second half I saw five missed calls in 8 possessions (after that why count?).

fansincewilt 9 years, 11 months ago

You cannot give enough of the credit to the coaching staff. The guys just know what they are doing. That's due to the coaches having them ready.

keith horinek 9 years, 11 months ago

I thought the officials were terrible and letting things go without calling fouls. The hard fould on Mc.Morris in the chest should have been called, as just one example.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

(Alert 1: Pre-posted from Next)

(Alert 2: Reposted from Last)

(Alert 3: In next and last live here.)

"Foreshadowing Richmond"

Head Coach:

Chris Mooney is a young Pete Carril disciple, who played at Princeton and who coaches the Princeton at a little faster tempo, which means we get to be equally annoyed, only with a few more trips. Mooney has done the usual Carril disicple thing. High school HC. Division N approaching infinity small college HC. Catch on at a Carril disciple grinding in a service academy, or a private university. In this case, he assisted Joe Scott at Airforce, which also contaminated college basketball with Bzzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzdelik. As is customary with inbred Princeton coaches, other Princeton give out quotes that rave about him. Round up the usual suspects: Carmody at Northworstern, Bzdelik, etc.

Richmond Rotation:

Seven man team plua one 7mpg and one 12mpg guy.

Richmond Scheme:

2 bigs and 3 perimeter players

Two authentic bigs going 6'9" (Geriot) and 6'10" (Harper) without quality backups.

A very good, long 3 in 6'5" Kevin Smith.

A good 6' PG in Kevin Anderson

A solid 6'3" 2 guard in Darrien Brothers

Richmond Offense:

A version of the Princeton one might call "hurry up and ball screen, while our trey shooting bigs make you chase them outside."

Richmond Defense:

Don't know, but most likely the usual Princeton combo of zone with lead, m2m when behind.

Richmond Strength--Trey Shooting:

Trey shooting is what makes them special and dangerous. Five starters, 3 smalls and 2 bigs, trifectate between 39-46%. Richmond will easily be the best trey shooting team KU has played this season.

Richmond's Weak Points--Light Weight and Little Depth:

KU needs to use its 20 pound per man weight advantage in the paint to its fullest advantage.

Self will use a longer bench in this game. TRob and someone else will see a lot minutes to keep the Twins rested enough so that they don't lose their offensive effectiveness chasing on the defense. On the perimeter, everyone is apt to get as many minutes as they want, given the drudgery of fighting through picks and balls screens.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

welkomen to das logonasium, Herr dnvrhawk. That is but the tip of the verbal ice berg.

jghoffer 9 years, 11 months ago

I worry that the players will look at the seeding and think Richmond is a true 12 seed. Their victory over Vandy was no upset and they are clearly a better team than Illinois. They haven't played as many quality teams and ran into a rough patch mid-season when their seniors started playing not to lose rather than playing to win. So they appear to be only above average on paper. However, I have seen this team play their best and worst games and know a little of their story. They have gotten over their mid-year mental problems, are playing hard, disciplined ball for a full 40 minutes a game and they have two decent pro prospects in Anderson and Harper.

I hope you are wrong about Self taking the risk of not amping the guys up for Richmond and saving them for the Elite 8 game, because in my mind, getting past Richmond is the key. If they can beat Richmond, they're going to Houston. Getting amped up for the Regional Final is a no brainer. KU has athletic enough bigs to stay with Harper on the perimeter and largely take him out of his game. I think the key for KU will be whether or not Taylor and Johnson show up mentally prepared for shut down defense on Anderson. If they do, Richmond will be unable to initiate its offense and will have no chance. If not, it will be an uncomfortable game.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

KU's Offense:

Bang inside to get Richmond bigs fouled up; then take it in even harder once their subs enter.

KU needs good trey shooting to avert an upset.

KU Defense:

The biggest problem will be chasing Richmond's two bigs outside to stop their trey shooting and still maintaining some team defensive help. This is always a strain on our bigs, and our team defense and rebounding.

The second biggest problem will be our perimeter players suffering "repetitive pick syndrome," tiring from it, and losing their shooting legs at the other end of the floor.

KU Rebounding:

Rebounding against a Princeton team like Richmond (i.e., one with bigs who range and shoot the trey), means your perimeter players really have to get to the defensive glass, or things go south in a hurry.

Amping Forecast:

Self has a history of not amping and playing grind it out against Princeton teams. I supect he will do the same again. He will send'em out flat and save the amp for the second game of the weekend. Doing so is a big, big risk, because of how good Richmond's first five are (note: they seem way above average for the typical level of talent most Princeton teams have, and because falling behind a Princeton team early is a recipe for migraines. But Self will probably take the gamble.

Predicted Outcome:

KU by 5, which equals 10 vs. a non-Princeton offense.

Richmond on a hot night will be a nightmare.

Richmond on a cold night will be an easy win.

Richmond on a middling night will be a close game, because the Richmond Princeton keeps it close.

Ty Mar 9 years, 11 months ago

I hope they come out amped up. This is the NCAA tournament-if you're not amped you should be sitting on the bench. We need to be tenancious on D-the rest will follow like a tropism.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

Kudos for tropism. I had to look it up and you use it appropriately. Yeeee hawwww I love learning new words!

Steve Brown 9 years, 11 months ago

"KU needs good trey shooting to avert an upset."


Chris Shaw 9 years, 11 months ago

Pick and Roll off Backboard:

I wonder if the Pick and Roll had anything drawn up on botched ally oop passes off the backboard only to end up in a turnover and a transition break going the other way? I don't know, I like the idea, but when you have an open lane to the basket in which Marcus had, you don't screw up opportunities like that. Every possession counts!

Hard Luck Basket:

I can't believe that 3 pointer that bounced about 15 feet in the air only to bounce a couple more times off the rim before falling in for the Illini. Looking back, that is a "Huge" shot for the Illini! Instead of being down 12 with KU looking to push the lead to 14 or 15, Illinois is down 9, creates a turnover and gets another bucket to push it within 7. It was a single digit game the rest away until late in the second half.

Stever Kerr:

I'm still irritated at his broadcast. How many times did he bring up all the early exits and upsets KU has experienced. I mean, he was making it seem like KU was MIzzou or something, having never reached the Final 4 and some downward spiraling program.

I thought his "Little Jab" comments were over until he had to mention Ali Faroukmanoush (SP?) right there with about 2 minutes remaining. Maybe he's still bitter about KU and Danny Manning throttling his Wildcats back in the 1988 Final 4?

Shot Selection:

I'm going to leave this short and sweet. We all witnessed it, but when KU starting building it's lead, The Twins and Taylor "Relaxed" and let Illinois get back into it by taking hurried shots. This also happened with the opposite effect in the second half when Illinois was close and T-Rob and EJ started jacking up some perimeter shots that I didn't agree with. Focus! Long game!

Jason Morris 9 years, 11 months ago

Tyshawn should never have come out of the game he completely dominated the game yesterday. I couldn’t help yelling at the screen we he was out of the game for long stretches. He is the reason we pulled away in that game and the reason we jump ahead at the start of the game. With the billion time outs and longer ones at that, there is no reason TT isn’t on the floor for 35 min. a game. Says what you will about his regular season but in this post-season he has been the fasted most athletic and are only option to break a man down when needed. If he doesn’t have the ball in his hand at the end of the half (which he was sitting on the bench) or the end of the game then they are not giving them self’s the best chance to win. Don’t get me wrong Bill is the best coach in the country but going forward we may lose because of a stupid play by TT but we won’t win it all with out him on the floor. P.S. Little can not match up on Big’s that gave Illinois a window to get back in the game yesterday.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 11 months ago

Jmorris: Taylor picked up two fouls in the first half and that is why he didn't get to play a whole after the 14 minute mark.

SaulGood 9 years, 11 months ago

May be the only thing Steve Kerr got right, Shaw - he did praise Tyshawn heavily for being an initiator on offense and the biggest/best reason KU was able to open up so many dunks and high-percentage shots. I love Steve Kerr from the Bulls days (#6!!!) but I have to agree - he's taking the "sensational road" by dwelling on KU's woes. That's the national story, but it's still a thorn in our sides.

Brad Devlin 9 years, 11 months ago

"Maybe he's still bitter about KU and Danny Manning throttling his Wildcats back in the 1988 Final 4?"

FYI - KU beat Duke in the 1988 Final Four. It was Oklahoma that throttled Arizona.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 11 months ago

Yes! You are indeed right! I thought something sounded funny about that. Either way, Stever Kerr and "Zona" is inferior to KU. LOL!

Chris Shaw 9 years, 11 months ago

Yes! You are indeed right! I thought something sounded funny about that. Either way, Stever Kerr and "Zona" is inferior to KU. LOL!

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago


Every possession counts, and I'm a fanatic about fundamentally sound play, but...

The game is changing rapidly, faster frankly that everyone but the players truly grasp, and they lack any long history against which to measure the change.

The refs failure to call the game does not only trigger roughness. It impacts on all dimensions of the game.

Players are seeing things out on the floor, seeing possibilities out on the floor, that the coaches just never saw because the game was called so differently in their times and, good as our coaches are, they can't completely see what their players are seeing.

Self clearly has a few players that he trusts implicitly. He may tear one of his trusted players a new one for such gaffs, but a wise coach in this situation has to trust at least some of his players to be the path finders on this new frontier.

KU players are improvising all over the place. It is almost like their is a chain reaction of creativity that has commenced and Self, who probably encouraged a bit of it in the beginning, is probably sitting back a bit like the nuclear scientists at Trinity, and are somewhat in awe of what they unleashed.

I have seen this team doing more things this season that I have never seen on a basketball court than any season in memory. This will blow up in their faces from time to time, and Self may have to reign them in a bit, but when guys are putting out this much solid, old fashioned belly button defensive effort, Self has to respect them and at least peak into the undiscovered country this team keeps trekking toward.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 11 months ago

Jaybate: I agree with most of your post, especially about KU players improvising and creating a chain reation. I agree with you, and I think Self does allow it from time to time.

On the flip side, I will disagree with you about the game changing with the pace, speed, angles, intellect, and physicality of the game.................and the coaches not being able to see what the players are seeing.

Great coaches (Self, Coach K,) can see things that a player will never be able to see, comprehend, or understand on a basketball court. It's like a chess game, Great Coaches can see a play materialize 5 to 10 seconds before the end result is seen by all of us. Coach K and Coach Self can use their vision and Basketball IQ to teach it to their players. Coach K's and Self's players can use their physically gifted basketball talents to execute that vision. However, there is only a select few (Basketball Players) that have the combination of both vision, basketball IQ, and the physical gifts to roll it all into one. That's why you always here coaches say, (Very rarely) "So and So is great because they are an extended version of me on the basketball court".

My only point is that I believe most great coaches can see things far beyond the realms of any player (Coach K, John wooden, Phil Jackson, Lombardi), however, there are a certain exeptional players that learn this in due time from their coach and take it to levels we have never seen before (Jordan, Montana, Magic, Payton, etc etc).

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

Well, I will agree with you and disagree with you in turn.

I agree coaches know the game better than the players, so long as the rules are called in a way that allow the game to be basically the same game as the coach played.

But I think the rules have been so radically altered (via unwritten departure from the rules) the last five years, especially the last three, that there is drastically reduced similarity between the game Self played in the mid 1980s and what has been played, say, this season.

Unlimited fouling for stretches of games did not exist in his time. Systematic cheap shotting did not exist in his time. Systematic tripping did not exist in his time. Players were not muscled up for unrestricted shoving during his time. Forearm smashes to the face on rebounds was not the norm is his time.

Its not the same game and he really can't know what it is like out there, what this kind of violence looks like from the players POV any more than you and I can know what the violence in the projects makes life look like to the children that grow up in it. Somethings you have to live to know and just as it would be better for children in the projects to grow up in safe communities and not know what they know, it would be better for young basketball players not to play in the violent milieu of the game today and see it the way they do.

IMHO, everything has changed about the game, but the way we think about it and it will stay this way or grow more violent until the written rules are enforced, or the unwritten rules are finally put on paper and everyone is on the same page again.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 11 months ago

Can some of you help me out? I know Bruce Weber and Illinois held a "Mock Funeral" when Self left, but was their some animosity between Self and Weber all these years?

I didn't see the handshake line afterwords, but was their any talk between the two? Maybe that's why Self took his starters out 1 at a time.

Gregg Gibson 9 years, 11 months ago

The camera caught a quick shot of the coaches' handshake. It was like Bruce Weber couldn't get past HCBS fast enough. Self actually had to turn back around to shake his hand, and then all I recall seeing was a little nod from Self. I definitely think Weber still has "living in the shadows" issues with the whole thing. You'd think after 7 years it'd go away....

Dirk Medema 9 years, 11 months ago

Weber is a good coach, but he will always be in the shadows at UofI because Self is a great coach, and their fans will stir up the dust about him leaving. The reason Roy isn't a big issue here anymore is because we are now better off for him leaving. The same can't be said for UofI.

As for the handshake, I saw it as a quick, cursory action with no words. Because of the above, and the AD's comments as well, it can't be anything but a strained relationship.

benshawks08 9 years, 11 months ago

I thought that was very strange and unlike Self as well. Taking out the starters one at a time seemed to be rubbing it in a little bit. I may be wrong and maybe he was just giving the very partisan KU crowd something more to cheer about but it did seem out of character. Combine that with his comments about it really feeling pretty good to beat his old team after 8 years and I think you may be on to something. I know the Illinois fans HATE HATE HATE him and have never really understood why. But then again I don't really hate Roy and how he left seems worse to me. Maybe Self was hurt by the animosity, maybe he did something to cause it, or maybe he just really likes winning (duh!).

Jonathan Allison 9 years, 11 months ago

Agreed, I thought it was very odd that Self brought the starters out one by one at the end to give them a standing "O", an honor usually only given to departing players on Senior night. And I think that he even left Marcus in the game... that's a weird message in my opinion. I guess maybe it was symbolic that it's Marcus' team...

Weirdness by Self, I hope that he explains it this week.

Kye Clark 9 years, 11 months ago

He had some guys at the bench ready to check in if there was another dead ball. I was thinking maybe a KU player would foul on purpose just to get those subs in, but it never happened.

SaulGood 9 years, 11 months ago

If I'm not mistaken, Self's trickling through the sub-outs was due to Weber taking a completely superfluous timeout with 51 seconds left and no need/point to strategize, stop a run, or coach his players. I got a little giggle out of Self working the pops out of the crowd, one by one.

kcglowboy 9 years, 11 months ago

The Tulsa World reported that even the pre-game handshake was brief and "chilly," with no chit-chat whatsoever; that reporter was convinced that there is still animosity between the two.

baldwinjhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

They still call him Bill Selfish in Champagne... lol I mean the guy left them with so much talent they made it to the national championship the next year...You would think they would be grateful for the incredible job that he did. Also....ummm they totally snatch him away from Tulsa after he had the best season that TU has ever had.. And I don't think that I've read anywhere that he told the school that he wanted to finish his career there...(roy...)

Kelly Hanrahan 9 years, 11 months ago

Weber's 1st year was 2004 - Illinois made it to the championship game in 2005 so it was the 2nd year, not the "next year".

Lance Hobson 9 years, 11 months ago

What's up with the no last second game winning shots this tourney? That usually means they'll be some in the next round, but hopefully KU will cruise comfortably against these upstarts.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

kushaw et al,

All ritual gestures have multiple meanings.

Self taking the starters out one at a time, was probably Self honoring them for having put up with some of the most bush league tactics and bush league coaching in a season flooded with them.

Self grew up playing the game, when it was still not a 40 minute mugging, when players got injured because of playing at the edge of their envelopes, not because XTReme Muscle/Cheap Shotting/Tripping was normalized. He doesn't like what his players are having to play through any more than anyone else who knows an eye droppers worth about the game does. Self knows this is how it is now, but he's a basketball man and basketball men aren't basically back alley types. Self knows he has to toughen them up for butcher ball and teach them all tricks to protect themselves in bushido ball, but he can't possibly late at night, when he is alone, like what has become of the game. The way Illinois played and Weber coached was disgusting and disgraceful to the legacy of the game. And Self had to decide whether to go down in the muck with him. And amazingly, Self held back his own apparently devised counter move--XTReme Cheap Shottting Lite. It was almost as if Self was determined to even the score the most manly way possible--by playing it fair and square with a team that knew know bounds to rough stuff, tripping and cheap shotting. And the Illinois style of play wasn't even really Weber's fault. Weber is just the kind of scum that rises higher than he other wise would, were zebras to use their whistles appropriately. The fault still lies with those that control the whistle blowing--with those that pay the whistle blowers, and with those that televise the whistle blowers. But the cost, the ultimate cost, is paid by players getting injured, and by the game having to put up with the rise of lesser talents like Weber that just learn the XTReme tricks and apply them without inhibition.

But Self is a complicated man and so there is probably more.

It was also probably Self's way of saying thank you to his players for settling a score with AD Guenther that Self could never have settled himself.

And finally, it was Self's way of telling his players that they finally played defense like champions, when live rounds were flying.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

I really think Self was probably deeply moved inside at the championship level of effort given by every player that stepped onto the floor in what was just a first weekend game.

Coaches are human beings.

No one, and I mean no one, could have looked at Marcus Morris gasping for breath at the free throw line down the stretch, after having been tripped and eye gouged and floored, and not stood there in awe, like General Patton watching his troops transition from one battle through a winter storm to attack and save their brothers in arms, and have thought anything but: God, I love these men!

To see Tyshawn Taylor play harder than he (or anyone else) ever dreamed was possible for him to play, to see the sweat poring off him and to see him driving into harms way again and again and again, where cheap shot artists were trying to take down everyone in sight, for Self to see a player he had had to suspend for some behavior apparently unbecoming a team member, to see this kid who Self has stuck with through thick and thin, because he believed TT had greatness in him, to see Tyshawn leave it all on the floor, when everything was on the line and the opposing coach was willing do to do anything cheap and dirty to keep from being beaten by Self and from having to face Guenther after the game, to see Tyshawn let his actions say, "Coach, I owe you this and I am going to give every last full measure of my being to get you this W, well, Bill Self had to be moved beyond imagining.

To know what this team has accomplished, to know what it has had to play through, to know the injuries, to know the deaths, and the murders, and the human losses of his players, and the sacrifices of ego that this team has endured to become a team of 12 best players even as the bench shortens, Bill Self did not dare wait until a win at the Finals that is so subject to the whims of chance to let his team know how much what they have accomplished means to him.

And he did.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 11 months ago

Good stuff Jaybate! It does sound like there is an extreme dislike for the two coaches. Well, at least the AD like you stated.

FL_Jhawk 9 years, 11 months ago

This post practically had me in tears. What a great team this is. They have really turned out to be special. Super special.

jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

And I say: Rock Chalk Jayhawks!

Rock Chalk Team!

Rock Chalk Coach Self!

I wanted you to put some of their guys on the wood.

But instead you asked for the last full basketball measure from your players.

You asked them to win it honestly. No tricks. No coaching maneuvers. No XTReme Cheap Shotting Lite. No nothing. Just players playing within the rules and a coach coaching within them against a team and a coach that couldn't have stayed on the floor doing the same. Answering every shove, and face smash, and eye gouge, with ever more tenacious man to man defense.

It was one of the high points of basketball history IMHO, up there with Roy Williams taking the game back to the light after the 2000 slug fest between MSU and Wisconsin dragged the game as low as it has gone until this season.

And it will go un-noted and be forgotten by most, as what Roy did for the game has been un-noted and forgotten.

But this is how it goes in human society in all realms of activity.

Sometimes the most courageous acts, the acts that in fact sometimes alter the course of the future in subtle but virtuous ways for a time, are the ones that go almost completely unnoticed and un-praised.

Well, not by me, not this time, if I can help it.

I'm a sinner. I wanted KU to get down in the muck and beat them to a pulp.

And I was wrong, wrong, wrong!

By god, this KU team and this KU coach did right by all that's good and virtuous in the people's game.

Rock Chalk!

Steve Brown 9 years, 11 months ago

Was there a more satisfying game than UNC Hansbrough getting man childed by Aldrich. Yes, but not many. Especially the first 15 minutes.

theend 9 years, 11 months ago

I can't help but look past Richmond......and BYU scares me. It's not just Jimmer......the whole team can score in huge numbers. I hope they get taken out before KU has to deal with them.

And then there is did they look good on Sunday.

KU can do it.....but they will have to play at their very best!!

Lance Hobson 9 years, 11 months ago

Talking BYU and OSU is seriously jumping the gun. We have a long way to go before we have to worry about those teams.

Debbie Mangen 9 years, 11 months ago

Just found this online. I apologize if someone has posted it before and I missed it. F.O.E.

justinryman 9 years, 11 months ago

Marcus' blown ally opp off the backboard was going for the throat I think, but as soon as it turned out to be a TO I looked at the bench and it didn't look as if the staff was upset, almost like it had been practiced?????

But as mentioned above when you have that open lane.....but what the heck share the ball as well.

KULA 9 years, 11 months ago

Most coaches will say, "If I've seen it in practice, I don't have a problem with it in a game." There's no way they would've pulled a move like that out of the blue, having never practiced it. If they'd have pulled it off, #1 Sportscenter highlight.

Btw, that's also why Bill doesn't have a problem with Tyshawn's floaters in the lane, ever when he misses. Like Ty said, "That's my shot," meaning he probably gets and makes those shots regularly in practice.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

I mentioned elsewhere but must mention again, TV timeouts are momentum KILLERS! And there are way too many of them!

justinryman 9 years, 11 months ago

TV timeouts are the same for every televised game in college basketball. First dead ball after the 16:00 min mark along with the 12:00, 8:00 and 4:00 minute marks. It's been that way for a good long time now.

Illinois used some of their TO's right before the TV timeouts, so then since they called one at the 11:45 mark and there wasn't a dead ball, the TV TO gets called on the next dead ball even if it's only been :10 seconds off the clock.

Plus most teams will use a TO in the first half, cause if they don't they lose it anyway.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 11 months ago

I understand when they happen and that it's been that way ever since Philco had vacuum tubes. They are momentum killers.

Ron Prichard 9 years, 11 months ago

Actually, there is an additional timeout per half. For the tournament there are five instead of four. I haven't been able to figure out when the extra one is squeezed in by watching (under 2 min?) yet. Plus, I think the timeouts may be 30 seconds longer. Here is a good article on how the extra timeouts kill momentum:


jaybate 9 years, 11 months ago

I am grateful you can like Barnes for the way he self destructs. Every person deserves some respect. Alas, I cannot even say that much. Granny needs to go. Billy Gillispie would be a good fit. Or Buzz Williams. Or Janks, if he were coming off a good year.

I don't want Baja Oklahoma to be good. But it is better for the game for them to be good than it is to have a guy like Barnes continue to teach good talent to play the way Texas plays.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 11 months ago

they did have a time out slayr. the call was that he didn't get the time out called in time.

""I had the call. I had five seconds before the kid turned and signaled a timeout. I had to make a decision whether it was five seocnds or a timeout and I made the decision it was five seconds because I had counted five seconds before he called timeout."

it was not even close to 5 seconds

that is the ref's quote after the game. just like many teams in the dance, texas got jobbed.

when i mentioned this to a UT fan today he said "F texas. They are the ones who played themselves out of a 1 seed the last month of the year. They should have never been in that position"

so, i quit feeling sorry for them, and took his advice:)

justinryman 9 years, 11 months ago


I was wearing one of my many KU shirts early last week in Omaha and as some car slowly drove by in the parking lot, I hear, "F&*k YOU!!" I raised my arms like why? and as he tried to look tough and speed up and almost hit a little old lady I noticed his Show me State license plate and then began to laugh.

It's great to have that much mind power over them.

Steve Brown 9 years, 11 months ago

Psychology 101. Want to drive a State fan nuts. Inform them you don't like KState but hate Mizzou. They get hairs up and feel inferior. Drives them nuts.

WilburNether 9 years, 11 months ago

Congratulations Jesse Newell for writing an article that actually goes into the substance of Coach Self's tactics. This article stands in marked contrast to what appears to be the usual LJW priority of feeding feel-good tripe to the fanbois.

A few of us actually do know something about basketball (not so the fanboi idol worshippers), and we appreciate some basketball substance in articles about KU games.

Commenting has been disabled for this item.